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53. What is Love? · The Euro Legions Podcast

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  Now let's get to this week's show.
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  My wallet is sobbing. I can hear it.
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  I can hear it in the hall. Now it is breaking down crying.
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  Wait a minute, it's Valentine's week guys.
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  We can't be doing our normal intro.
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  Forbidden love. Unrequited love.
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  Arranged love. Practical love, alliances.
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  Love. Well, you get the idea.
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  Mythos is a place full of love. Some romantic, some not, but
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  love nonetheless. Let's head on a journey into
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  this not often seen side of Mythos.
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  There we go. It's the week of love.
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  Valentine's Week, beautifully introduced there by Rich.
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  We're going to talk about love in the land of mythos.
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  What does it mean? Does it exist?
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  Who does it encompass? Who's?
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  Who's involved in it? Maybe they're all involved,
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  maybe nobody's involved, Maybe it's a loveless land.
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  This would be a pretty short show then, you know?
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  But yeah, then we can talk about some other stuff.
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  But first let's let's have a let's fade down Mr. Valentine
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  there and let's have a little chat about the news and, well,
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  firstly, let's say hello to Malcolm Kennedy.
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  How are you man? Hello.
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  I am all right. The very back end, the last
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  dying embers of a bit of a cold. But other than that, I'm all
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  right. Very.
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  Good. And rich another.
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  We had man flu in the camp this week.
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  We had two men down, man. 'S flu took me out big time.
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  Yeah, I was off work sick yesterday, but back at it today
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  and and full of beans. Very good.
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  Unfortunately, yesterday was Valentine's Day, which meant I
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  couldn't get a card or anything else.
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  Sort of good baby wife. So I was in the doghouse.
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  But she still showed you. She showed you up by getting you
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  a card, even though she knew you weren't able to get hurt.
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  Garden chocolates, yeah. Although you should have been
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  prepared from like a week out, you know, if you were really
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  doing your job. That's neither here nor there,
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  John. Let's not have that sort of
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  talk, please. This is a podcast about love.
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  You know, so I'm just giving you some advice for next year.
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  Many years ago we went away for Valentine's and I wrote her card
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  Valentine morning, I asked her to turn around.
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  She couldn't see what I was writing and then wrote her card.
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  So anything pretty much is better than that.
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  Well, as I say to my wife, you know about Valentine's Day.
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  Every day is Valentine's Day, honey.
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  Why should we celebrate a particular day?
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  She's always a lucky lady, a John.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  Well, let's see. I'll get her on here once to ask
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  her the question and she can tell you all God help me God
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  help me right. So a little bit of news in the
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  land of mythic legions this week and and and maybe figure Obscura
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  cosmic lesions as well. The first thing was they
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  announced the in stock state date we said February all along
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  and that was going on what they said so we weren't kind of
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  guessing you know and thankfully it still is February so it's
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  going to be when they're at Zonacon I believe that's in the
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  end the 24th of February at 11 EST.
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  So I make that at 4:00 PM UK and 5:00 PM in Central European
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  time. So mark it in your Diaries get
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  ready and they're going to have an in stock sale of large number
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  of figures and no purchase limits that's that was good to
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  hear guys. I think that kind of reduces the
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  complication a bit, you know, if they had limits on.
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  It shows they've got, sorry Rich.
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  Yeah, it shows they've got a lot of stock, doesn't it?
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  Because they had what, 12 from the 1st, 24 hours last time they
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  did this. So to get rid of it completely,
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  they obviously got a ton of stock.
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  Yeah, Well, yeah, they have this, I suppose they have a
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  full, would you say consignment of of these reinforcement
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  builders, you know, to cater for the, you know, this is going to
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  be the size of a normal wave. I guess so yeah.
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  They just want people to be able to get as many as they can.
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  They don't, I think once they don't sell out in an hour or you
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  know, I think they're safe with no limits, you know, and they
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  obviously have the bandwidth the The thing is not going to crash.
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  So I shouldn't anyway. And yeah, so and then.
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  Say that I'm going to be, I'm going to be outside of Wi-Fi,
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  I'm up in there in North Wales all day on 4G, so just cross for
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  me, everybody. Hopefully I'll be able to get.
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  If it goes pear shaped bring me a message and and yeah, well, at
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  least I can get figures for you and ship them across.
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  Yes or even Mal. Yeah and right and yeah the the
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  purchase limits. Always.
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  It's just a nightmare for if you want say three nights and
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  nothing else then you're not going to pay shipping on one
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  figure to Europe you know so you're just out.
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  Whereas if you want three or four nights and you can get them
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  with the shipping, it'll be worth your while, you know,
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  rather than having to kind of, you know, I don't know, maybe go
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  in with someone else or something like that.
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  Just reduces the complication big time I think anyway.
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  And that is always on the assumption that there isn't
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  really tiny stock of the kind of main attractions which there
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  shouldn't be and they are in well in the order on the
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  website. I don't think it's any
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  particular order, but it's Valiant Night.
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  Walter the mad mythic and cosmic Vargas 2.
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  So they're the Legions, cons, the standard versions.
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  Demestrios, the standard version.
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  We did see him on the shelves at that.
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  What? What was the con last week in
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  Florida Megacon that they were? At Megacon, Yeah.
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  Uh, we saw it on the shelf there of the street team that they
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  were with the Slap Happy Toys guys.
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  The entire wave of reinforcements too so that's
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  that's pretty cool and and then the entire wave of the deluxe
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  legion, bigger builders which have been hanging around
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  retailers I think even still a lot in a lot of places and there
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  was sale on them I think a couple of months ago wasn't
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  there where they were basically being sold at 1520% off which is
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  basically yeah it was it was up to.
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  The end of December at 20% off. There you go.
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  Yeah. So they they're obviously still
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  floating through the system and they obviously want them gone.
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  All Stars trolls. So that's a handy one for you is
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  Rich. I believe you got your first and
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  only troll you said this week. I did.
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  I bought one off of Auk eBay seller.
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  He was selling Brunt the All Star version of Brontos.
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  Very good. So I leapt on that.
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  And you got it for the only. One I've ever wanted.
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  Decent price? £100 which included postage.
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  Yeah, the You're not going to get a better.
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  The box was a bit beater. But I don't care about box.
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  So, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're going to, you're
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  going to throw the box and then select figures from All Stars
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  for and a Lithia, I think, especially a Lithia that could
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  be interesting for a lot of people there that maybe missed
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  out. It depends what they are.
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  But I think if they had some Valax and some barren Volligars
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  and some Krotoses, that would be very interesting in my opinion.
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  Yeah, Jeremy answered somebody's question.
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  Somebody asked about Older and Phobus and he said they've sold
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  out of all already, so there'll be none of those, but they've
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  got some Phobus. I saw somebody maybe suggesting
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  the that well for our next bit and use the retailer wave that
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  maybe older could be could be a candidate for their, although
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  it'd be tricky with chipping. And yeah so also Vargh I think
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  would be a good one for that for that Lithia wave.
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  That's a great, good one. Yeah.
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  A lot of, yeah. I ended up with two.
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  Unique parts and I. Ended up with too many Boggs and
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  sold like two or three, but not in the last couple of days.
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  I'd be like, oh, I could use that for that and that.
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  Damn it. Yeah, but if you have them and
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  they're, you know, it was a kind of a, it's a deluxe figure.
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  So if you needed to get your cash flow, it was a good one to
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  sell, isn't it? And it was going for a bit over
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  maybe what what it. Was a little bit, not much, no,
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  But it was going, it was going quickly, which was handy.
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  Yeah, exactly. So that's, that's that.
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  What are you going for boys then in this Have you?
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  Have you, I mean, not down to the last figure, but have you a
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  general idea of what you're getting or?
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  Shall I go first? Because it looks like you're
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  accessing. Your you go first, man.
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  I'm open my. Spreadsheet He's spreadsheeting
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  I'm. Not going to.
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  I'm not going to get a lot. I could do with another bogus
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  couple of valiant nights, although I'd kind of like more.
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  But I just can't afford to get a load at the moment.
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  And then I want a couple of Cosmic Walters because I just
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  love the color of his suit. Yeah, I don't.
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  It feels weird calling it armor for Cosmic, but you know.
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  Yeah, he's I love that orange, the orange spacesuit.
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  OK, cool. And Rich.
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  So my plan at the moment, and this may change because it's
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  changed a couple of times already, but it's going to be
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  four of the Cosmic Walters. I've got a plan for a little
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  little space faction that I want to use.
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  Four of those four, three of those four, and then one for
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  another character, a couple of the Waltor Mythic figure again.
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  I've got a couple of plans for that.
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  One of them is going to be an undead dragon, 2 Templar relic
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  guards. I've avoided, Jeremy Gerard's
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  dangling temptation to have a group of 12.
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  I'm just going to stick to four because I've got a couple
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  already. So I'll go for two of those. 4
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  Gold Knights, 5 Cavern dwarfs. Possibly a valley at night but
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  possibly not an ogre because Jason Rodriguez put out a really
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  good ogre sculpt a couple of weeks back and I saw Alejandro
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  Soldier, I think his name is Paint One up.
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  It's got like big spikes coming out the side of its head that's
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  going to look brilliant on that couple of shadow walks. 3 silver
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  horns. And if you're on play channel
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  Pear Tree, yeah. Three August twos and a couple
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  of demistrios. So it's about low 30s number of
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  figures. Wow.
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  It's the current plan. Have you got a little nest eggs
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  aside for that? Or let's say yes, it's.
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  My nervous voice. Yeah.
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  Let's just say yes on that one. Yeah.
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  Very Good Wife Scapula sounds like.
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  That, yeah. So for me, I'd like to get 4
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  valiant nights and I'd like to get a one or two of the the
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  Walters, a demistrios, because I don't have him at all.
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  And after that, I think it will just maybe depend on what comes
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  with the Olivia stuff, the Bryophytis maybe just for the
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  crack. And then I had a couple of
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  because I offered before UH in the European group, if anyone
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  wants to go in UH, on one big order, I offered a couple of, a
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  couple of people contacted me and said that yeah, they
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  wouldn't mind doing it for the reinforcements.
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  So they did message me at the time.
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  So I just need to touch base with them again and say if
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  they're still on for it and what they want and then I'll order
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  what they need. I was hoping there'd be no
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  purchase limits because then otherwise that would be
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  impossible. You know, if someone wanted
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  three nights and then you can't get them, you can only get
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  three, you know, or two or whatever.
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  So I'll touch base with them and see what they want, and then
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  that might also make my mind up to get one or two extra,
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  depending if it doesn't mess with the shipping, you know?
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  Yeah, So let's see. Yeah, you hit certain points,
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  don't you, where adding a couple of extra figures adds like a
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  dollar to the shipping or something.
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  It's just like well. Yeah, exactly.
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  Especially for these type of sales where there isn't an all
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  in or anything, or if you're stick to the standard size
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  figures when you throw ogres and stuff in the mix, it can get
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  messy with the shipping. I think it was fours and eights,
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  if I remember rightly, from Chris's, he said.
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  He did tell us Once Upon a time what it.
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  Was. And I'm sure it was fours and
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  eights. So if you order five, you're
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  better off ordering. It might have been.
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  No, it's that. I'm sure it's fours and eights
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  because it was like, well, if you order five, you're better
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  off ordering 8 because because you're gonna pay for the same
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  postage anyway. That's true.
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  As box, that's true. Yeah.
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  So let's see that's the in stock sales.
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  So that's how. It used to be.
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  That's exciting. And then they announced the
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  retailer Wave. I think I'm more excited about
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  this bit, to be honest. More, I want to save my money
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  for these based on the last time round.
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  Yeah, exactly for So they announced the retailer Wave for
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  this year and the first figure they revealed today.
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  Recording Thursday, late recording.
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  As I said, bit of man flew in the camp, but that means we were
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  able to bring you this news which is the Monkey King
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  retailer version. So guys Mal tell us first what
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  you think of it. I'm I'm very happy with it.
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  Yeah. We've talked about wanting a
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  blonde or you know yellow. I mean I'd sort of described as
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  gold which is a good description but blonde haired monkey a bit
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  surprised that the armor is so close to the previous one.
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  I think they've it's a bit of a shame they haven't gone the
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  silver but I wonder if that's to do with them.
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  I forget the characters name from Noble Bear and they didn't
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  want it to be too like that. Perhaps, yeah, she shiny well,
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  he was very black metal though, he was.
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  Yeah, yeah, I. Agree.
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  And just and just to be clear how here Mal, he's from the Sons
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  of the Red Star. He's in no way a noble bear.
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  It's. The no, it's the noble.
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  Bear wave bridge. I meant yeah, the wave which I
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  believe was actually rising Suns.
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  But we'll ignore that and but I also maybe, you know they've
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  already got a lot of the red fabric good soft goods made
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  probably possibly cheaper for them to stick with that red
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  fabric fabric soft goods. And my oh OK.
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  It was tempered by the fact that then the cloth, the plastic
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  cloth bits, so the arms and the legs, they've made them red
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  which I really like and and sort of is memorable to me of him
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  looking like that when I was a kid.
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  You know, in certain images having red trousers and that
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  sort of thing. So you know, it one thing, it's
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  like, oh, OK and Oh yeah, you know, So overall I'm very happy.
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  Yeah, they call this the golden Sage version of Monkey King in
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  all new colours. OK, with golden fur and armour.
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  And so the golden fur is definitely new.
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  I'd say the armour doesn't seem to be that new for me.
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  OK, there's, as you say, bits of red where there wasn't red.
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  Yeah, I think I was looking at comparing the two earlier and
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  the gold is a lighter gold in this one, yeah, yeah, it's all
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  massively lighter, but it is lighter than the the original 1.
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  Would you say that's also brighter and trim on it as well?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wonder if this is just
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  toeing the line between people that missed out and would
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  obviously like to get something very similar with enough
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  difference. Then for the existing people
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  that have them that might be tempted to get another one
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  rather than to kind of really change it up by the reservation
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  of Monkey King with the kind of yeah, the more gold coloured fur
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  or kind of blondish fur that has a bit more silver and blue
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  throughout the the armor and the soft coats.
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  So I think they are maybe just trying to keep it similar enough
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  so that it's ultimately recognizable as their monkey
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  version of Monkey King. Yeah.
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  I think that's a good point. Yeah, as I say, it's still cool.
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  I'll probably get one anyway because I love the it's a
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  brilliant figure, but I would have liked it to be more
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  different. Also because if I'm using these
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  parts for customs and I want to customize them more on the other
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  end of the colour scale, so more towards the silver side or you
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  know that would be easier to work from there.
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  But that is maybe a stupid way of designing a figure.
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  So you know, I can accept it as well.
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  But yeah, very good this whole, I guess this whole concept of
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  the retailer wave. So we did kind of briefly
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  mention it before. I think we were expecting to get
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  the figure obscure us from last year as a as a recolors and
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  maybe a couple of other figures which could be exciting.
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  And again maybe don't want to date ourselves too much by
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  predicting because they will be revealed over the next week
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  because it goes on sale at the start of March.
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  But I would like a couple of mythic figures I think.
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  Or maybe 1 mythic 1 Cosmic would be good.
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  I think we'd slightly to get mythic, but yeah.
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  I was going to say, I swear to God, if it's another colour
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  hagenon, I am bringing an actual pitchfork with me to Legions
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  Con. Have fun getting that 2.
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  Customs somewhere. Yeah, or you'll have to, you'll
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  have to go to, you'll have to go to one of the hardware stores on
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  the way to the hotel. Yeah, I actually posted off my
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  only remaining Hagenon the other day.
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  Yes, earlier today actually. Oh, what's he going for these
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  days? I had him on eBay for 75 but I
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  did a deal with a fellow UK UK collector is slightly hagon
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  obsessed. I think this is #16 he'll have
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  now well. He doesn't like paint A.
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  Lot of Hagon. Yeah, a guy called Colin House
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  and really nice guy and he's dyed them.
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  She might have seen them before. Oh, I've seen him die.
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  Shades of. Red and all sorts of different
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  stuff. Yeah, I that guy.
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  OK. I haven't seen him post much
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  recently. So you kind of you don't know
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  whether these people are still collecting or whatever, but.
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  Yeah, he's still collecting Hagman's, so there's another one
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  off on its way to him now. Wonder.
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  What color he's going to dye that one pink.
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  Pink Hagman, Rich. I Whatever.
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  They all look the same color in the bin.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  Now you go for another peg, man. You, you.
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  You get one. Or is it even too much for you
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  now? I'd I'd probably pick up another
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  one. I just don't think we're going
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  to get another one unless we get like the the, the non glow in
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  the dark version, the non. Painted one, I take, Yeah.
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  If it's a painted one, that by all means you know.
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  Rich, would you get with the painted version of Hacknon?
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  Would you be up for that? Yeah, I think I'd be in for
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  that. That would be better or even you
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  know painted character with that head even you know don't even
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  need the rest of the the body could be anybody type almost or
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  the new zombie parts yeah so that's that's that'd be very
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  interesting. We'll talk more about it next
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  week when it's kind of hopefully mostly announced.
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  I saw that we had a few people in the European Community get
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  their Pox's orders in. That's pretty good.
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  Eh. Thomas Ryberg.
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  He was the first one I saw got he's all in.
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  Eh, not jealous at all but eh, he's me neither.
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  He's oh, have you seen the faces here?
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  Favoritism. No.
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  I'm not jealous. He was smart and just ordered an
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  all in without Anton. Yeah, this is it.
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  So that was that. That's.
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  Dummies trying to get a postage cheaper.
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  Exactly. And I also saw Ralph today, so
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  today's retailer and retailer day, basically retailer St. date
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  and he got his order from his local German retailer of the
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  figures. So minus the minus the the boot
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  scales, assuming he ordered them, I don't know.
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  But yeah, I saw he got most of the other figures.
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  So yeah, he was. He put a nice post on Instagram
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  and on our Discord. So he's very excited about that,
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  which I can well believe. And he has all them all opened
• 21:42
  up already. So German efficiency.
• 21:43
  Boom, all open. Beautiful display on the shelf.
• 21:46
  Last picture. Can you imagine doing it that
• 21:49
  quickly, Rich? No.
• 21:53
  Receiving the box and being nicely displayed on the shelf in
• 21:56
  the same day, possibly the same hour.
• 21:59
  This is my long term aim, but there's still a bit of work to
• 22:01
  do. The The Room reorganization went
• 22:03
  fairly well a couple of weekends ago, but yeah, I'm not nowhere
• 22:07
  near that yet. Amazing.
• 22:08
  You probably didn't. It takes so it takes so long for
• 22:11
  me to get shipping notices for anything that I'll have lost
• 22:13
  interest in them anyway by the time I finally get the figures.
• 22:18
  So that's good for them. And there's a little bit of this
• 22:23
  and that in the community about people breaking their figures or
• 22:26
  figures getting out of the package broken.
• 22:29
  Uh, I don't think we necessarily want to go there.
• 22:32
  Uh, the four way shows from the clock put.
• 22:35
  Them on your shelf. No, we don't stand by that.
• 22:39
  These are these are customizable, poseable action
• 22:43
  figures, so you definitely have to be able to do it more.
• 22:47
  And winter is always a tricky time and possibly even tricky
• 22:51
  time to be producing them. I don't know if it happens more
• 22:54
  in the factory, but the the company will know more about the
• 23:00
  the kind of run rate on the defective figures and they say
• 23:05
  it's very low, which I would believe them because it's quite
• 23:08
  a big wave. They said you know how many
• 23:11
  containers, 5 containers full. So I think that to me is maybe
• 23:15
  2530 thousand figures. So if we see 10 posts in the
• 23:21
  cabal about that, that's still way below on a percentage basis.
• 23:26
  Yeah, I think, I think Jeremy actually said something along
• 23:28
  the lines of each of those containers holds 25,000 figures.
• 23:32
  No, I think did he said no, I think he said 5000 in each
• 23:36
  container and 20 I thought. It was 25,000.
• 23:39
  I might be up in their profits considerably.
• 23:41
  I apologize. I think it's five.
• 23:43
  I think it's 5000. That would be.
• 23:46
  Although maybe I'm wrong, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but
• 23:50
  anyway, a lot of figures, so you can imagine of the posts in the
• 23:55
  groups that where there are defective and you know, have one
• 23:58
  defective figure is sad for the person that gets it.
• 24:01
  But these are mass produced and uh, you know, there's always a,
• 24:06
  you know what they say, inverted commas in any production is a
• 24:09
  Monday morning thing. You know that that's a kind of a
• 24:11
  Monday morning production. It's kind of OK.
• 24:13
  It's a cliche and it might necessarily be a Monday morning
• 24:17
  thing, but that's a good way of kind of explaining it that, you
• 24:20
  know, just a slightly bad batch. You know, maybe the plastic
• 24:23
  wasn't warmed up enough or whatever.
• 24:25
  We know nothing really about the process other than they pour
• 24:28
  plastic into steel molds and obviously they have to avoid
• 24:32
  things like air bubbles. I think some people are
• 24:34
  suspecting some the other air bubble in a in a joint piece.
• 24:38
  OK, that can surely weaken the plastic.
• 24:40
  Yeah. OK.
• 24:41
  I get it. They they said that they get
• 24:44
  like 5 basically the the equivalent of like 5 all in's as
• 24:49
  kind of stock to send out replacement parts of and and see
• 24:54
  in the worst case replacement figure and they never get
• 24:58
  through that so far. So it's very low, you know and I
• 25:04
  don't see the money or any reason to lie to us, but you
• 25:07
  know there was a lot of noise about it.
• 25:09
  So they they did address it on this the four hours and then
• 25:12
  issue clock. I personally don't think it came
• 25:16
  across the best because I think if you're in the know and in the
• 25:20
  circle where you understand that show fine.
• 25:24
  If you were read to be new to the community or just, you know,
• 25:28
  didn't follow the stuff, but you maybe had a defect, you don't
• 25:30
  follow the community. Even if you have a huge
• 25:32
  collection and you suddenly got a defective figure and you're
• 25:36
  wondering, you know, maybe I should check out what these guys
• 25:38
  are saying. And you came along to the show
• 25:40
  probably didn't come across the best.
• 25:42
  Uh, and I see that today they pulled that video and they're
• 25:47
  doing another live stream tonight.
• 25:49
  And Jeremy has addressed that. He, him, and Chris will be doing
• 25:52
  the live stream tonight. Probably the best decision to
• 25:55
  make on their part because I even saw on the YouTube they
• 26:00
  were getting a lot of negative feedback.
• 26:01
  Now you can disagree or agree with that if you want, but it
• 26:05
  was there, you know and it's not normally like that.
• 26:08
  So there must be, you know there's enough people that were
• 26:12
  annoyed or you know frustrated by it.
• 26:15
  With plenty of people also saying, you know, I have no
• 26:18
  problem with it and I have no problem with the way you, you
• 26:21
  know the video or the the live stream.
• 26:22
  So but you know enough people were annoyed by it.
• 26:25
  They took some action so and me personally and this is totally
• 26:30
  my personal opinion, I've worked my whole life in customer facing
• 26:35
  jobs most and mostly in banks now.
• 26:38
  So it's totally different business but I wouldn't have
• 26:42
  addressed it that way. You know, I would have
• 26:45
  definitely had the subject expert which is Chris with the
• 26:52
  PR public facing marketing person which is Jeremy, UH and
• 26:58
  Chris had did have a nice present, you know explanation of
• 27:02
  whatever where, but have him with Jeremy presenting it in a
• 27:05
  nice way to the community and I think that would have worked
• 27:08
  well and that's probably what's already existing now when this
• 27:10
  podcast is published. So you know they fixed it.
• 27:15
  You know, I don't think that they certainly didn't mean to
• 27:17
  offend anybody and or anything like that, you know, but it
• 27:21
  didn't come across. The funny thing is, they've
• 27:24
  reacted to this situation the way they react to every
• 27:28
  situation, and they've got it right even.
• 27:30
  Well, at this point we don't know what they've done, but we
• 27:33
  suspect they'll have gotten it right eventually.
• 27:36
  They'll still be someone who wants to gripe and moan, but
• 27:39
  This is why they've built up the goodwill they have with so many
• 27:42
  people. Why people are a bit more
• 27:44
  willing to defend them is because they always get it right
• 27:48
  eventually. And I mean this is The funny
• 27:51
  thing I get. I can understand their
• 27:53
  frustration at the the stuff going on on Facebook because
• 28:00
  that it I have a lot of these people.
• 28:04
  When asked the question, have you contacted the customer
• 28:08
  services to know or are asking what they should do And they say
• 28:13
  so often, Contact customer services, Contact customer
• 28:17
  services and those of us that have had reason to contact
• 28:20
  customer services know how exceptionally good they are with
• 28:25
  that side of things when you do do that.
• 28:27
  Totally get it. But unfortunately with all these
• 28:30
  things and no matter how good the company is, whatever, it
• 28:33
  gets to a point where and it's always perception as reality.
• 28:36
  And so if there's a perception out there, they need to get in
• 28:41
  front of it. It doesn't matter if it's
• 28:43
  completely bogus or faults or, you know, people are running off
• 28:47
  the wrong information or some social media posts are getting,
• 28:51
  you know, wrongly amplified. Because of course, there's
• 28:54
  always more interaction on the posts that, you know, we have
• 28:59
  criticism, you know, because people are bored and school.
• 29:02
  This looks like a bit of fun. You know, let's say let's and I
• 29:06
  had a problem with a figure six years ago and you know, I'm just
• 29:09
  going to give my $0.02 on it. So yeah, but that's the pro
• 29:14
  that's always the difficult thing here, you know, it's it's
• 29:17
  the the perception is the reality, even if the reality is
• 29:20
  there. They have the information, they
• 29:22
  know when there's a genuine problem.
• 29:24
  I mean obviously stuff like remember the troll heads, that
• 29:28
  was just a real problem. There was no disputing that, you
• 29:32
  know, they didn't come with the head, they ordered the extra
• 29:35
  heads. They made it good.
• 29:37
  So you can imagine if there was a bunch of figures with, you
• 29:41
  know, parts that weren't working or, you know, stuff that was
• 29:45
  breaking, they would make it good and they'd come out in
• 29:48
  front of it and say, but if it is literally just the normal run
• 29:52
  rate of figures being broken, they probably don't feel like
• 29:56
  there's nothing to be addressed until now.
• 29:58
  It comes to the perception that there is something to address
• 30:01
  and they have to address it, you know?
• 30:02
  And maybe the addressing it is just educating people a little
• 30:05
  bit. Yeah, sure.
• 30:07
  But that's a tricky thing to do without coming across as you
• 30:11
  know, condescending. You know, just is Richard very
• 30:17
  quiet there. You don't want to set an
• 30:19
  offensive. Just worried they haven't.
• 30:21
  Shipped his I'm trying not to jump, to keep the the language
• 30:24
  in check. No, I mean good.
• 30:26
  Chris and Georgia done it better.
• 30:28
  Yes. Was it a bad idea to get the two
• 30:29
  of them to do it? Yes, by themselves, without
• 30:32
  Jeremy hanging over them with a mute button.
• 30:35
  Narrowly. I've been really quiet because I
• 30:38
  just, you know, what can you say with people?
• 30:40
  They're just, they've got to have something to complain
• 30:42
  about. And you know, someone's now
• 30:43
  complaining about the post that Curtis put up yesterday been
• 30:46
  taken down and that's censoring people, etcetera, etcetera.
• 30:49
  It's nonsense. Stop complaining.
• 30:51
  Everybody just enjoy the figures.
• 30:53
  The Horsemen are going to get it dealt with.
• 30:54
  They said they will move on. Fair.
• 30:57
  Fair. Fair.
• 30:58
  I think that's fair, right? So that was probably not the
• 31:02
  best thing to proceed the Love section of this podcast.
• 31:10
  It's the best thing is we're now going to talk peace, love and
• 31:13
  understand. Yes, so the love of nitas.
• 31:25
  So who wants to to bring it at first?
• 31:29
  Rich, Rich, I feel like you have.
• 31:30
  You've done a bit of prep here in your on your sick bed.
• 31:34
  So my my first, my first love story.
• 31:38
  This is this is unrequited love. This is a sad one to start us
• 31:41
  off, but the character involved befim quite frankly.
• 31:48
  So it is Attila and Faustia is my first love story.
• 31:52
  Oh. So despite acting like a
• 31:56
  Playboy, Oh yeah. So we kind of came to this.
• 32:00
  We kind of mentioned this before in another I don't know if it's
• 32:02
  a show or if it's the live stream we did.
• 32:06
  We could well have done. It's an obvious one to go to,
• 32:08
  hence it's first on my list. I remember saying Faustia as a
• 32:11
  woman of God. And you know that wouldn't
• 32:14
  happen. Despite acting like a Playboy,
• 32:16
  Attila is actually head over heels in love with Faustia.
• 32:19
  He just doesn't know how to tell her last.
• 32:22
  For him, the feelings are not reciprocated.
• 32:24
  Faustia thinks of him as a petulant man boy who was just
• 32:27
  obsessed with power. He only hangs around him because
• 32:30
  she knows how important the upcoming war will be and that by
• 32:33
  staying in her position that will favour the slide of good.
• 32:36
  Basically, she thinks he's a Dick.
• 32:38
  It's his brother. Not him.
• 32:43
  This is going to endure you even further to Trevor, yeah?
• 32:48
  No, Trevor's not going to be happy with me, but there we go.
• 32:52
  Do you think you think first year could actually be that
• 32:55
  cunning or? No, I think she just.
• 32:59
  I think she knows what's best for the for the land of mythos.
• 33:02
  So she was willing to put up with him being a douche bag I.
• 33:07
  Spent that whole thing for some reason, thought you'd said
• 33:09
  Atlas, That's why I said it's his brother, you, said Attila.
• 33:11
  Didn't until, yeah, I did say Attila.
• 33:13
  Yeah. Same faction.
• 33:14
  Yeah. So like, they're in the same
• 33:16
  faction. First year and yeah.
• 33:17
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think, I don't think
• 33:21
  she's being devious or anything. I think she's just like, I've
• 33:23
  got to put up with this guy, but I'm then keeping my arm's
• 33:25
  length, whereas in my cannon he's head over heels with her.
• 33:29
  He's, you know. Also you think?
• 33:31
  He's just because because he can't, you know, get what he
• 33:34
  wants with her and that sort of thing.
• 33:35
  So he's showing. Off his fake hammer.
• 33:37
  It's a little bit, exactly. It's a little bit unrequited
• 33:41
  from Definitely unrequited. Yeah, yeah, but so, but they're
• 33:47
  showing the kind of good side out to the to the faction, you
• 33:51
  know, in order to keep people kind of, you know, living the
• 33:53
  dream. Yeah, we're in actual fact,
• 33:58
  she's got, you know, borderline or restraining order against him
• 34:00
  as soon as they're not out in front of the troops.
• 34:03
  Yeah, she's definitely got the the chastity belt on him when
• 34:08
  they're in the family quarters, shall we say.
• 34:12
  Yes. So say, you know, it's it's not
• 34:14
  heavy romantic love, but it is a love of sorts that fits in with
• 34:17
  what we said at the start. It's, you know, it's an
• 34:19
  unrequainted love. It's my first one.
• 34:21
  Is this something that kind of came across your mind Mal, or is
• 34:24
  this kind of a left field for? You.
• 34:26
  No, no, that is not one that I I I was doing a bit of bio reading
• 34:31
  to see what sort of connections I could see in there and that
• 34:34
  was not one that came to mind at all, right.
• 34:39
  And what have you got then for a smile?
• 34:42
  So you have one from Armies of Leah DC Oh yeah.
• 34:46
  Let's keep on the mine, then. Mine was Hadriana, or Hadriana
• 34:51
  and Magnus, drawn together by their love of and their roles
• 34:57
  within the Red Shield, and they're both from ancient
• 35:01
  families. And it was quite.
• 35:03
  Hopefully not the same one. Different.
• 35:07
  It suggests different ancient families.
• 35:09
  I hope it suggests different ancient families or this has
• 35:11
  gone right off the rails early on.
• 35:14
  But, you know, do. We do.
• 35:15
  We know their surnames is. Are their surnames both
• 35:17
  Targaryen? We actually don't, do we?
• 35:20
  That's a unique worry. Now this is going to have turned
• 35:24
  out to have been a right. You didn't know.
• 35:30
  We just confirmed that you didn't know.
• 35:31
  So you can plead that, you can plead innocence on that.
• 35:36
  But I was going with the, you know, throughout history it's
• 35:38
  tend to have been, but they're both from the ancient regal
• 35:41
  families and they tend to flock together to keep that strength
• 35:45
  up and through the families, don't they, in that that power
• 35:48
  dynamic. So that's my thinking with those
• 35:50
  two. Very good.
• 35:52
  Yeah, you get lots of like into family marriages and that.
• 35:55
  Don't just keep keep them all strong.
• 35:58
  You do. What do you think of that Rich?
• 36:01
  Not that it. Was that something you
• 36:02
  considered or? I hummed and hard with that.
• 36:05
  But I've gone a different route for Magnus personally.
• 36:10
  I I I because she's his superior.
• 36:12
  I think there'd be a bit of a clash there.
• 36:14
  And she, you know, he'd be like, no, like he'd be like, no, I'm
• 36:18
  too honourable. I can't do it.
• 36:20
  She's the boss. I don't want to look like I'm
• 36:22
  trying to use a per by wooing her and, you know, standing side
• 36:26
  by side there all the time, etcetera.
• 36:27
  So now I've gone a different direction for Magnus.
• 36:30
  Very good. Well actually then I could do my
• 36:33
  my first one actually continues the theme of the armies of the
• 36:37
  Odysseus. So I had and and it's actually
• 36:40
  an inter faction or an intra fact.
• 36:43
  No inter intras between two different factions and Attila
• 36:51
  and Gwendolyn happens brand. I'm kind of, I'm kind of
• 36:55
  imagining that, you know, you know, when the battles kind of
• 36:58
  get up, you know, obviously the good factions are going to have
• 37:00
  to work together a bit. And the kind of, you know,
• 37:05
  they're to judge them by their bias, like utterly serious
• 37:09
  people. Uh, you know, kind of she's the
• 37:12
  kind of leader of the kind of army, you know, kind of battle.
• 37:16
  So I'm thinking it's, you know, all talking battle tactics, all
• 37:22
  kinds of stuff, you know, sorting out the battle tactics
• 37:24
  and then sweeping all those little men off the battle
• 37:26
  tactics table and, you know, going at it.
• 37:29
  And then that's how it's going to can work out just a pure
• 37:33
  serious fest, You know, just utterly, utterly serious.
• 37:39
  And then just this kind of, you know, right, let's blow off some
• 37:42
  steam and then right now. And what about that?
• 37:45
  What about if they, what about if they attack us on the left
• 37:48
  flank? What are we going to do?
• 37:50
  And then it's back to the battle tactics.
• 37:54
  I'd be slight. I'd be slightly worried they'd
• 37:55
  lose the battle tactics. I mean, knock those figures off
• 37:57
  the table. Yeah.
• 37:58
  Well, you know, they've obviously.
• 37:59
  Part of the battle because. They've obviously set it up,
• 38:02
  talked about it, you know, kind of noted it all down however
• 38:05
  they do. And then it's like, yeah, just
• 38:06
  sweep it across, you know, kind of can't.
• 38:10
  They're so turned on by the whole battle talk that
• 38:12
  eventually, you know, they just look each other in the eye and
• 38:15
  go right, you know, and this kind of keeps the factions kind
• 38:21
  of linked in terms of the battle.
• 38:23
  And I mean obviously it's going to end horribly one way or
• 38:26
  another in the big battle. So either you know, one of, you
• 38:30
  know, maybe one of them kind of perishes and then of course it
• 38:34
  drives the other one crazy. Or one of them, when the battle
• 38:38
  is won, if they still survive, is going to completely betray
• 38:42
  the other one because their true love is actually their faction
• 38:46
  and what they follow and maybe until actually finds his real
• 38:51
  hammer and then realizes that he's he's more than he thought
• 38:57
  he was, you know and then he becomes really too big for his
• 39:01
  boots and kind of you know, yeah, not hanging around these
• 39:04
  eats around chicks anymore. So to me they seem like a real
• 39:10
  power couple though, John. So are we going to call them at
• 39:14
  Saline? We're going to call them
• 39:16
  Gwendilla. What's the combo name we're
• 39:18
  going to use for? Gwendilla sounds good.
• 39:20
  Yeah, that sounds a little bit saucy, but not quite.
• 39:25
  So that's my first one. And yeah, just a serious
• 39:29
  festival. It's a.
• 39:30
  Little bit queasy, It's a good one.
• 39:33
  Yeah, it is. You know, you do kind of, you do
• 39:36
  have to channel a little bit your inner Game of Thrones
• 39:39
  writer to kind of think of this stuff.
• 39:41
  And this seems entirely plausible in Game of Thrones.
• 39:45
  You know that like basically these two serious generals that
• 39:49
  kind of have have a kind of a basically 90% of their life is
• 39:55
  just thinking about the battle and then they need to kind of
• 39:58
  you know release a little bit of that energy and.
• 40:04
  I'm just. Yeah.
• 40:05
  I'm just thinking, Mal, if that made you queasy, you've got no
• 40:08
  hope in one. Oh, no.
• 40:12
  Get the bomb bucket ready now. Right.
• 40:17
  So what do we got next? So my next one is another same
• 40:23
  faction relationship. It's, you know, the Crusher and
• 40:27
  Belfago. What?
• 40:31
  How does that even work? Bear.
• 40:33
  Bear with me. Bear with me.
• 40:36
  Here we go. Having left the noble Bear and
• 40:38
  developed an absolutely fearsome reputation within the Legion of
• 40:41
  Arathea, absolutely no one, not even the cockiest Ork, was
• 40:45
  willing to risk trying to romance Juno.
• 40:47
  The fear of an axe to the head was too great.
• 40:50
  That was until Arathea returned. With him came Belfigor, the
• 40:54
  mighty demon right-handed man to Arathea himself.
• 40:58
  Belfigor was fascinated by a human being, part of a legion to
• 41:01
  begin with and then when he saw a fight he became captivated by
• 41:05
  her demon. Romance is not something for the
• 41:08
  faint hearted with sacrifices and blood rituals, but it worked
• 41:12
  on Juno and the two are very much now inseparable.
• 41:16
  So it's it's a bit of a left field one you wouldn't
• 41:18
  necessarily think Juno the Crusher and.
• 41:19
  A German but. I could see this working.
• 41:23
  Two absolute psychos. Bloodlust.
• 41:28
  Does the demon? Very quickly learning some new
• 41:30
  things about you too. Does it?
• 41:34
  Does it? Yeah.
• 41:35
  So our listeners unfortunately, does the demon kind of, you
• 41:38
  know, is it, is it a kind of a sexual relationship then or is
• 41:42
  it more of an alliance? Oh, very much a sexual
• 41:44
  relationship. A relationship, Yeah.
• 41:47
  I don't know how many, How many, how many wangs he's got, but I'm
• 41:52
  sure he's using them all to good effect.
• 41:56
  And you know and. Demon.
• 42:04
  Wang Oh, no. Looking at the pictures and
• 42:12
  thinking that loincloth must cover a lot.
• 42:16
  Yeah, I mean, well, when we do, when we do our next guest of
• 42:18
  character drawings, I'll make sure if I do Belford War that
• 42:21
  it's clear how many Wangs he has.
• 42:23
  No. No, this is going to go.
• 42:27
  I think this episode's going to need a mature rating on each
• 42:30
  other when you do that. But no, I think I random as it
• 42:34
  is, I think this relationship could work.
• 42:35
  They're they're two complete psychos.
• 42:39
  I think you could definitely work from a kind of, you know,
• 42:43
  having a soft spot for each other and kind of, you know,
• 42:48
  yeah, but the kind of demon and the human together, I don't know
• 42:53
  how he doesn't just melt her or something, you know?
• 42:58
  Maybe, maybe John. He melts her heart.
• 43:02
  There we go now there we go. I'm annoyed I didn't think about
• 43:07
  lying myself from my bio. Here all week.
• 43:14
  Thank goodness it's Friday This goes out.
• 43:18
  Yeah, I just don't know if, you know, if she could even touch
• 43:22
  his skin without kind of melting her skin.
• 43:24
  So you know. I don't.
• 43:26
  I don't have as a fire demon, so I think that's going to be OK.
• 43:30
  OK, isn't it? I'd never imagine like even fire
• 43:32
  demons have fiery hot skin. I just imagine them to be able
• 43:36
  to produce fire and be safe in it.
• 43:40
  Maybe as a as maybe, as you said uh in our chat this week when we
• 43:45
  were discussing this episode, uh, maybe he has an okey pokey
• 43:49
  stick. It's.
• 43:54
  The Wizards. Isn't it?
• 43:55
  The okey pokey stick? Oh.
• 43:56
  That's right. Yeah.
• 43:57
  We're going to get them soon in the box as well.
• 43:59
  So we must refer to them as that when we get them.
• 44:02
  Yeah, definitely. They're okey pokey sticks.
• 44:04
  Yeah, sounds good to me. Umm, right.
• 44:07
  Now bring us back to, uh, to PG I.
• 44:12
  Somehow managed to make all cloves still sound more romantic
• 44:16
  than and you know and yeah, anyway, so I thought Vortog and
• 44:25
  Queen Oaks. Oh, yeah, that's that's
• 44:28
  definitely something that I could think about again.
• 44:33
  Well, in terms of the story. Which is going to disagree.
• 44:35
  Disagree again, though, because it's kind of.
• 44:37
  This is sort of. This is more like having off
• 44:40
  with her uncle sort of relationship this one.
• 44:42
  So no, I'm not sure. Just because he's got a beard
• 44:46
  doesn't mean he's old. And you know nothing wrong with
• 44:48
  an older man and a younger woman.
• 44:51
  But he could put on his alternate head.
• 44:52
  There's a helmet without a beard.
• 44:55
  I know it's not him then, but you know.
• 44:59
  The like because Lining Vortog's bio says Vortog's true
• 45:02
  allegiance lies with Queen Irks and the separatists.
• 45:05
  Oh, so you. Yeah, it's a bit of a soft spot
• 45:08
  for you. Extend that out to kind of, you
• 45:09
  know, maybe a secret relationship that that if if
• 45:13
  Erzak hears about it, there could be, there could be a big
• 45:16
  trouble. And that's maybe how they end up
• 45:19
  breaking away from the Legion of Arthur and going over towards,
• 45:24
  what would you say, Taranog and the convocation?
• 45:29
  Well, I think their own little breakaway faction completely.
• 45:32
  I don't. Think they'd join anyone else
• 45:34
  interesting? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:37
  What do you think is our Orcs capability of showing love,
• 45:40
  Rich? I think so.
• 45:43
  I've I I have a very brief for myself with irks Irka going
• 45:49
  after Erzog to try and woo him and get her over to her side and
• 45:55
  the rebellion sort of thing. So I think was definitely.
• 45:57
  Right. Definitely all club is a
• 45:59
  possibility. Yeah, I mean it's a it's a good
• 46:03
  in in the land of kind of war and betrayal and everything.
• 46:06
  It's a very good tactic to kind of, you know, maybe get people
• 46:10
  on your side or get you know get what you want.
• 46:13
  So to use it in a in a more, maybe it's best less loving way,
• 46:18
  but a more sinister way, no. But I mean, and they're also, I
• 46:22
  mean there's lots of like you know in Inter Orc thing, you
• 46:26
  know, it's like orcs or Orcs are the important things.
• 46:29
  It's not about Arafat, it's not about satisfaction.
• 46:31
  It's about the Orcs. So there's good that's gonna
• 46:34
  build those bonds. Those bonds might turn to
• 46:37
  something else, et cetera, et cetera.
• 46:41
  Very good. Well, my next one is, it's more
• 46:44
  of a fun one. Well, I mean how much fun it is,
• 46:47
  but more of a fun one from kind of the theory behind it.
• 46:52
  But Hera, Serpent, Spire and Tarnog.
• 46:57
  So another orc involved there, but she's totally stoic and
• 47:01
  serious. So I'm thinking about the Ying
• 47:04
  and Yang here, and he's kind of completely chilled out and fun,
• 47:07
  you know, So it's kind of like she's so serious and stoic about
• 47:12
  her business that he's the only one that kind of enables her to
• 47:16
  kind of get out of herself and actually, you know, be a little
• 47:20
  bit more relaxed and kind of chill off his, his vibe, you
• 47:25
  know, choked on his beard there. I'm dying here.
• 47:33
  Why? Because she's she's busy helping
• 47:36
  him get his chill off and this sort of stuff.
• 47:38
  I'm like, Oh my God. I'm saying this completely
• 47:41
  unconsciously, you know, this is just.
• 47:43
  It's it's my, it's my filthy mind.
• 47:45
  I'm basically, you know, Mal's worn his magic on me.
• 47:48
  My mind is now as like you know, saucy as his.
• 47:54
  There you go, No. I think, I think, I think this
• 47:56
  could work. I mean, Mal looks like he's
• 47:57
  about to throw up when you mentioned the human and not
• 47:59
  getting it on. Is her a human though?
• 48:02
  Or is she some sort of AI? Suppose she is humanoid, but
• 48:07
  yeah, she's human. Yeah, I suppose.
• 48:12
  Yeah, she's just a magician. So I mean, I don't really
• 48:14
  consider Wizards human, even though I suppose they are.
• 48:18
  Got sort of visions of him, them getting stoned together.
• 48:22
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, he's, he's got
• 48:26
  that volume. I didn't want to bring in any of
• 48:28
  the kind of Furious 4 into this because it might be a bit too
• 48:30
  real. I didn't want to.
• 48:32
  I didn't want to kind of break the 4th wall on this.
• 48:35
  Questioning then wouldn't. They, yeah.
• 48:37
  So. So I'm thinking, you know, turn
• 48:39
  out is that kind of influence on her.
• 48:43
  So there you go. Yeah, he must have been through
• 48:46
  a lot. Obviously, you know, defecting
• 48:48
  and the evil of the orcs over to that sort of side of things, so
• 48:51
  he must be a pretty, you know. He's a charmer, I'd say, you
• 48:54
  know, Yeah, yeah. It's not just, you know, he's a
• 48:57
  big guy, but like he's, he's definitely got more about him
• 49:00
  than just this kind of, you know, brute size.
• 49:04
  He's actually, you know, probably got more in between the
• 49:08
  ears than you think than the average orc, definitely because.
• 49:13
  He's Maybe she just likes convocation.
• 49:16
  Yeah, maybe she just likes really big antlers because he's
• 49:19
  going to sway with those, isn't he?
• 49:21
  Because he's got. Well, they're only on.
• 49:22
  Honestly, they're only on his pauldrons.
• 49:24
  It's not like they're sticking out his head or whatever.
• 49:26
  I know, but still, that's a big pair of antlers.
• 49:29
  Yeah, I know it's. I know it's just.
• 49:32
  From all this family, all this family was decimated when he got
• 49:34
  those analysts. You're trying to get us to say
• 49:37
  something here. No, we're not going to.
• 49:38
  We're not going to take the bait.
• 49:39
  I'm actually, I'm genuinely I'm not.
• 49:42
  Anyway, you have to be the most intelligent orc if you've joined
• 49:45
  the best faction in mythos. So that's all I can say.
• 49:51
  So rich, he's a very cool figure as well he is.
• 49:53
  Yeah, I can't wait to get him. Unfortunately it's going to take
• 49:58
  a bit longer, although my All in my All In and my retailer are in
• 50:01
  a race now because my All In did ship.
• 50:03
  I don't know if I mentioned that earlier so that.
• 50:06
  I've not actually been notices for my Horseman order or the
• 50:10
  retailer one, but the retailer one is just a Thonog, so
• 50:13
  hopefully that will arrive first or should arrive first.
• 50:15
  But it's also interesting to see.
• 50:19
  At least it looks like from the shipping notice I got, that my
• 50:24
  All In plus the few extras I ordered all seem to ship
• 50:27
  together. So it looks like the
• 50:29
  International All In's are actually not just shipping
• 50:33
  separately to the other figures, but I'll update if that actually
• 50:38
  doesn't turn out to be the case. But for me, I prefer it that way
• 50:41
  because makes it easier for customs because you have one
• 50:46
  receipt as opposed to. I think I try and explain why a
• 50:51
  small order is actually part of this receipt that doesn't
• 50:54
  contain all the other figures and you pay their tax twice.
• 50:57
  That's. Why?
• 50:57
  They said they were doing it to stop those sorts of issues.
• 51:00
  Yeah, which makes sense. I'm.
• 51:01
  I'm fine with the way. I'd rather wait than actually
• 51:06
  end up with some extra expense. Anyway, Rich bring us back to
• 51:10
  the the love. Yes, so this this is my longest
• 51:15
  story. I apologize in advance.
• 51:16
  Do you want some? Do you want some music then?
• 51:21
  No, I think, I think we're OK. You're good.
• 51:22
  You're good. Yeah.
• 51:24
  He doesn't like the music. That's.
• 51:28
  So my next romance is Freya and Gorgo.
• 51:33
  Wow. So this unlikely romance to span
• 51:37
  centuries. They first met on a battlefield
• 51:40
  in the first Great War. Gogo slew Freya after a mighty
• 51:43
  fight. A few days later, the next
• 51:46
  battle began into Gogo's confusion.
• 51:48
  Out strode Freya with the legions of light.
• 51:51
  Gogo fought to where she was on the field and again slew her.
• 51:55
  A few weeks later, Gogo again saw this warrior standing
• 51:58
  poised, ready for battle. He asked one of his commanders
• 52:01
  who that woman was and was told she was of the Valkyrie, A
• 52:05
  mysterious race who regenerated after being killed.
• 52:08
  Intrigued by this Gogo that is meant to capture this immortal
• 52:11
  creature while in his custody, Freya was treated as well as
• 52:15
  Gogo was so intrigued by her, he wouldn't let anyone harm her.
• 52:19
  They began to talk for many hours at a time about what death
• 52:22
  was like and how living so long was sometimes depressing.
• 52:26
  One day Freya seized her chance at escape and fled.
• 52:29
  She had the chance to end Gogo's life, but could not as he had
• 52:32
  treated her well. After the armies of darkness had
• 52:35
  finally been defeated and the Dark 4 banished Freya heard
• 52:39
  rumors that Gogo had in fact not only survived but was still in
• 52:42
  mythos. She tracked him down and found a
• 52:44
  broken creature devoid of hope and at a loss with what to do.
• 52:48
  Out of the misplaced sympathy and and the remaining good
• 52:52
  disposition towards him, she did something that she would never
• 52:55
  disclose to anyone. She gave him gave him some of
• 52:58
  her own magic that allowed him to extend his life.
• 53:00
  He was not immortal and would not raise from the dead, but he
• 53:03
  would live for millennia. They grew extremely close after
• 53:07
  this and over time his closeness turned to love.
• 53:09
  Never spending long together, they would nonetheless seek each
• 53:12
  other out every few years. Now the Dark Gods have returned.
• 53:16
  Frere is torn between her love for this man and what he is
• 53:19
  trying to make happen. Similarly, Gorgo is torn between
• 53:23
  his need for utter destruction and the desire to stay loyal to
• 53:26
  his beloved. Fantastic.
• 53:29
  Now that is that is amazing. Yeah, that is probably.
• 53:34
  You'd know The man was off sick for a day from work this week.
• 53:37
  He had time to think about stuff.
• 53:40
  I did. He gave me a bit of time to
• 53:42
  write that, yeah. I'll tell you listeners, if we
• 53:44
  recorded this on Tuesday as planned as opposed to Thursday,
• 53:48
  you wouldn't have got that wonderful 2 minutes of text.
• 53:51
  So I have to say it was, it was worth the delay and the late
• 53:56
  night for me. And yeah, that's.
• 53:59
  That's I was just, I was just thinking about Frayer as a
• 54:01
  character. Yeah, I love the Valkyrie thing.
• 54:03
  Yeah, I love the Valkyrie thing that you brought it into.
• 54:07
  The whole Gore, Gore thing as well, which is, you know,
• 54:10
  totally mysterious other than we know that he's probably lived
• 54:14
  for a very long time or lived as maybe in inverted Congress
• 54:19
  existed. Maybe he's another another thing
• 54:22
  to say with skeleton neck peg, you know?
• 54:25
  And so, yeah, that's super, super cool.
• 54:29
  Yeah. What do you think now?
• 54:31
  I do wonder though. I mean, I like, I like the idea,
• 54:33
  I like that. But I always think with Gorgo
• 54:36
  that people be put off by a smelly helmet because obviously
• 54:41
  he doesn't take it off. He doesn't take his helmet.
• 54:44
  Off. Don't say stuff like that when
• 54:46
  I'm trying to have a drink of water.
• 54:49
  I don't what you mean. I'm just mean.
• 54:51
  Doesn't take his head here. Rich is dead, Rich is gone, and
• 55:03
  that man has the cheek to go on mute as.
• 55:06
  He cries himself. That's just totally unfair.
• 55:10
  You're leaving us to carry it while you just throw that
• 55:12
  bombshell on this. I don't know what you guys are.
• 55:17
  What you guys? Are well, just all I say is.
• 55:21
  Take his his helmet. Off I'm stamping this for the
• 55:24
  Instagram real. OK.
• 55:32
  Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I can understand
• 55:36
  that from both perspectives, I would say or like both, both,
• 55:40
  both connotations of what you said and but let's focus on the
• 55:45
  one that you actually meant, which was his, his actual famous
• 55:48
  helmet that he has on his head and.
• 55:51
  Yeah, he doesn't remove it. So you.
• 55:53
  Know. But it could be like the
• 55:54
  Mandalorian, you know. Do they have to?
• 55:56
  I mean, I know they do in the show because it was Pedro Pascal
• 56:00
  and he had to show his face, you know, contractually he's.
• 56:02
  A good looking chap. Believe you, it won't be on it
• 56:05
  anymore. That's going to be interesting.
• 56:07
  That's a rumor I heard, anyway. He's got another big gig, they
• 56:11
  announced. Yesterday.
• 56:12
  Yeah, they fantastic. Yeah.
• 56:14
  It's a bit like it's a little bit kind of you can be in too
• 56:17
  many things. Maybe he'd probably be good in
• 56:19
  it, but like, it'll be very hard to imagine him as that character
• 56:23
  when you know him from 20 other characters in that type of
• 56:27
  realm. You know, the superhero kind of
• 56:29
  realm or whatever that kind of. It's yeah, it's a sort of funny
• 56:32
  one isn't it? Because they've usually gone for
• 56:34
  actors who not unknown but not super well known.
• 56:39
  I mean, the most, yes was probably Robert Downey Junior,
• 56:41
  but yeah, he'd been gone for so long or you know, he was just
• 56:46
  coming back when they. Yeah.
• 56:47
  Or take a famous actor, but some someone that hasn't been in a
• 56:50
  superhero movie before that. That's kind of cool, you know?
• 56:53
  And kind of then kind of get it that way.
• 56:57
  But anyway, and yeah, so Gorgo, Smelly Ham, I do understand.
• 57:02
  But you know, you kind of get over those kind of things when
• 57:05
  you've been in love with someone for hundreds of years, you know?
• 57:09
  Yeah. You know.
• 57:10
  Maybe a long life. Is it the the the cost of losing
• 57:13
  a sense of smell? Well, I mean, I don't think your
• 57:15
  sinuses are not the most reliable things at the best of
• 57:19
  times, as you and I know, Matt. And.
• 57:22
  And yeah, maybe they just don't work at a certain after a
• 57:25
  certain point of time. They could well imagine that.
• 57:27
  Yeah. And, you know, the olfactory
• 57:29
  nerve doesn't repair itself. It's one of the only nerves in
• 57:32
  the body. I think, that really doesn't
• 57:34
  repair itself if it gets damaged.
• 57:36
  So, yeah, Now often people live there, says the smell because
• 57:40
  it's blocked. But if it actually does get
• 57:42
  damaged, then, you know, your sense of smell is gone.
• 57:44
  And best of luck. Yeah.
• 57:50
  So that's a tough one. Yeah.
• 57:52
  So I could definitely see that I, I I just flicked on YouTube
• 57:57
  on my phone there to see what was going on with because the
• 57:59
  the old UH-4 horsemen UH video is going on now just to say and
• 58:05
  and just because it's funny and I don't know what to make of it
• 58:08
  but Jeremy has a George Hayes Fun T-shirt on Oh.
• 58:16
  Jeremy. I think it's probably that
• 58:21
  probably certainly gets the message across, yeah.
• 58:24
  Anyway, right? Was it?
• 58:26
  Was it dumal for the next one? I think so, isn't it?
• 58:30
  Yeah. So I've gone with two of the
• 58:34
  faction leaders as having, well, the Horsemen, I should say.
• 58:37
  Sorry Elithea and Arathea. I think that there is.
• 58:44
  There it it touches on them having very contrasting
• 58:48
  personalities and it even says in it for some reason in the
• 58:52
  Lithia's bio it mentions Arethea and it says where is Arethea's
• 58:56
  rage Is full of fire and fury. A Lithia's touch is decidedly
• 59:01
  icy and silent, which I know he's talking about the way they,
• 59:04
  but maybe that contrast that you know bring them together, that
• 59:08
  connection a bit like I guess we've talked about with them
• 59:15
  Gwendolyn and. Attila.
• 59:19
  Lattilla, perhaps a bit more packed in it, a bit more, you
• 59:23
  know. All I can say is that it's going
• 59:25
  to be steamy. You know it.
• 59:30
  Is very steamy ice and fire. That's steamy enough to me.
• 59:34
  Very steamy. Yeah, she's probably the only
• 59:36
  one that could that could manage to have that sort of interaction
• 59:40
  with Erith here at all and. I reckon she's a very strong
• 59:44
  lady. Yeah, I do feel like Arthur is
• 59:46
  kind of beyond that kind of stuff that's is that's for you
• 59:49
  mere kind of people of the flesh kind of thing, you know?
• 59:52
  No one's beyond. Love, John?
• 59:54
  Yeah, no one. That's true.
• 59:56
  Yeah, maybe they'll find a different way of expressing
• 59:58
  their love. You know, it could be like, you
• 1:00:01
  know, just blasting giant bolts of kind of fire and, you know, I
• 1:00:07
  see vampiric stuff at each other across the battlefield.
• 1:00:12
  You know, and yeah, so who knows?
• 1:00:18
  What do you think, Rich? Could you imagine two of the I
• 1:00:20
  Could 4? I can imagine this working,
• 1:00:23
  actually. I'm not sure whether they're
• 1:00:27
  gonna go down. You know, a new wave of secret
• 1:00:32
  messages. You know, characters delivering
• 1:00:34
  secret messages between Arathea and Lithia, maybe, you know,
• 1:00:37
  there's some like servant vampires and servant demons, you
• 1:00:40
  know, with like little little notes and this sort of stuff.
• 1:00:43
  I'm not sure it's going to be wave of figures, but I can see
• 1:00:44
  this work in this relationship as you said, you know, they're
• 1:00:47
  the only two that can take each other on, let's be honest in
• 1:00:50
  that sort of that sort of thing. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah. And.
• 1:00:56
  I have a pic of the gods, you know, one's pox ridden and the
• 1:01:00
  other one's dead. It's like.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah, you wouldn't be going, you wouldn't be going near Poxos,
• 1:01:06
  would you for, for any sort of, you know?
• 1:01:10
  I imagine she's sending love letters via var varg.
• 1:01:14
  You know the bar just there for her to send off with love
• 1:01:18
  letters attached to like the. Ravens in Game of Thrones, you
• 1:01:20
  know it's just little Vargas going across.
• 1:01:22
  He's in. Wizard of Oz.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah, it's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Who's he got? Cupids.
• 1:01:28
  Var Cupids There we go. He's got Spell for Gorgeous gone
• 1:01:31
  through his little portals. Is it or no who brings him
• 1:01:34
  through the portal? Somebody.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, Belford gore items the portal.
• 1:01:38
  Oh yeah, yeah. So he's a portal man.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, so. So he could be going through his
• 1:01:41
  own portals to Lithia. He's too busy romancing Juno for
• 1:01:45
  that near this oh. Sorry, yeah, but he might be
• 1:01:48
  crushing people at the time, you know?
• 1:01:50
  This is true. This is.
• 1:01:51
  True. Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  So. Or crushing on people.
• 1:01:55
  Oh, maybe that's. Oh, Mal, you're on.
• 1:01:58
  You're on fire tonight. Maybe that's water, and maybe
• 1:02:00
  that's what the crusher refers to.
• 1:02:04
  I'm telling you the first one. She should be crushing on this
• 1:02:07
  love law the. Entire time.
• 1:02:09
  She should be going up to Lord Bouchotti and tell them look I
• 1:02:12
  can handle this large hammer and just whack it across his head
• 1:02:17
  because he's always going on about how she she it's not
• 1:02:21
  appropriate just such a big hammer because she wouldn't be
• 1:02:23
  able to carry it which is just yeah she should just go and
• 1:02:29
  whack him across that with the hammer that that's definitely
• 1:02:33
  definitely a good well, I. Maybe this year's legions.
• 1:02:36
  Com. We could arm the the human sized
• 1:02:39
  pig and get her to to take Lord Bushotti out with the hammer.
• 1:02:44
  Oh, we could just get. Yeah, When she does her.
• 1:02:46
  Her. When she does the pig fancy
• 1:02:50
  dress cosplay. Sorry.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah. Or maybe we get Rebecca McDonald
• 1:02:56
  to do Juno this year and get her a giant hammer and just keep
• 1:03:00
  going over to Steve whacking the head off him, you know, and that
• 1:03:06
  Pete will just he'd just be on his phone taking videos for the
• 1:03:10
  entire con of this. They can even do it for good
• 1:03:14
  causes. So they could start off with
• 1:03:15
  Rebecca hitting him, and then they could.
• 1:03:16
  Everyone else could pay like $5 a turn to whack him with this
• 1:03:18
  giant hammer and the IQ out for that.
• 1:03:21
  And then maybe, maybe every time they just add a little bit more
• 1:03:25
  weight into the hammer, you know, a little few little lead
• 1:03:28
  lead pellets or something. You know, have it.
• 1:03:30
  Like, you know, firstly, you know, the cosplay foam hammer
• 1:03:33
  and then as it goes on, just drop a few more lead pellets
• 1:03:35
  into it. Yeah, sounds good.
• 1:03:38
  So, so Pete can deliver the last blow that puts him.
• 1:03:40
  In. I mean, even nothing's ever
• 1:03:43
  going to hurt his head with that giant big boof onto the hair,
• 1:03:46
  you know, It's just going to bounce off the hair gel.
• 1:03:50
  I feel more sorry for the person wielding the hammer, you know?
• 1:03:54
  Anyway, another diversion. So are we done with that one?
• 1:03:59
  Yes, yes, I am mine aunt is long and still.
• 1:04:02
  No, no problem. My next one is Ravenna and
• 1:04:07
  Duban, and my reasoning behind this one is that so.
• 1:04:13
  Ravenna is trying to get closer to the brood to extract her
• 1:04:17
  revenge on Vargas, who she believes has it killed her
• 1:04:22
  parents or killed her family, Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah. Killed her family, yeah.
• 1:04:27
  And Duban is obviously in the Flock, and he's also a Ranger.
• 1:04:30
  So he's out and about kind of, you know, doing stuff.
• 1:04:32
  And obviously she's going to maybe meet him that way or
• 1:04:35
  whatever, you know, while she's kind of, you know, trying to.
• 1:04:38
  And she understands that the Flock will get her closer to the
• 1:04:42
  brood because they're in direct conflict with them.
• 1:04:45
  We know that from the Elithia wave.
• 1:04:49
  So that's my reasoning behind that.
• 1:04:51
  So it's a little bit, uh, how would you say, it's a little bit
• 1:04:55
  kind of bio driven, but I think it makes sense that that
• 1:05:00
  definitely could be and that's an example of maybe using this
• 1:05:03
  whole kind of, you know, uh, love and kind of you know,
• 1:05:08
  relationship thing to actually kind of advance your cause a bit
• 1:05:11
  further, you know, which is often what it's used for in this
• 1:05:15
  type of a story, you know, what do you think of that?
• 1:05:20
  That's pretty good. I can see.
• 1:05:22
  That happening. Rich, I like the idea.
• 1:05:26
  Does that, does that because Rich hates Ravenna, the figure.
• 1:05:30
  So does that. Does that kind of.
• 1:05:33
  Does that kind of bring her a little bit further up the ranks,
• 1:05:37
  despite the fact that she's still plotting against The
• 1:05:39
  Vamps? No.
• 1:05:41
  She's still crap. But I like, you know, I like the
• 1:05:44
  idea. I can see that story working.
• 1:05:46
  OK, Yeah, you think it would be a good?
• 1:05:48
  Revenge. Like a good revenge story.
• 1:05:50
  As well it would be a good side plot on the.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  OK. Gotcha.
• 1:05:56
  My, my, my part of my problem is I actually did a story with
• 1:06:01
  Reveno. Well, I thought of a match for
• 1:06:05
  Reveno as well. Oh cool.
• 1:06:08
  And I went with, so I'll do that next.
• 1:06:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. With links.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah, I did, Sir. Andrew and I went with Sir
• 1:06:17
  Andrew because they so possibly timelines if you looked at it
• 1:06:22
  properly wouldn't add up but we don't know exactly what the
• 1:06:25
  timelines are. But Ravenna was kicked out of
• 1:06:33
  armies of not army Order of ether on or trying to get those
• 1:06:39
  relics. Those dangerous relics was Sir
• 1:06:42
  Andrew and MU and she Sorry, and she eventually joined the
• 1:06:47
  Convocation of Basilia, where Sir Andrew went from the
• 1:06:51
  Convocation of Basilia to the Order of Ether on.
• 1:06:56
  So. Maybe.
• 1:06:58
  Not sure which way they went. In my head Andrew went to the
• 1:07:02
  Order of Ether on 1st and they built a relationship and he sort
• 1:07:06
  of taught her a bit about the magic and the you know, and
• 1:07:09
  these these ancient these relics, the magical relics.
• 1:07:13
  And then she started to see it as a way of getting back and
• 1:07:17
  that's what caused tension between them.
• 1:07:19
  So he had to possibly, you know, dobber in basically that she was
• 1:07:24
  getting a bit out of hand even though he can't cuz he Well
• 1:07:26
  because he cared for her and that's what got her kicked out
• 1:07:29
  of the order of Ether on and but and and because of his former
• 1:07:34
  life in the convocation of Basilia she was aware that that
• 1:07:38
  existed. So knew she could go there to
• 1:07:41
  get what she wanted. Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  So that was my sort of. That's really cool.
• 1:07:46
  Yeah, I love that. I do like the whole mail.
• 1:07:48
  That's a good one. Yeah, definitely and.
• 1:07:52
  More realistic than some of the ones that we've had.
• 1:07:54
  Let's be honest. Don't know what you mean.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah, we've gone, we've gone very realistic and possible in
• 1:08:03
  the last two, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  They actually makes sense which is that's that's terrible.
• 1:08:10
  Yeah, we should, we should jump the shark a bit again.
• 1:08:13
  So, Rich, what have you got next?
• 1:08:15
  I could. I was going to go sensible and
• 1:08:17
  realistic as well, but just screw that.
• 1:08:19
  You guys have done it twice in a row.
• 1:08:21
  So I'm going to. I'm going to go crazy.
• 1:08:24
  So my next one is Thrace and Haganon.
• 1:08:27
  What? You doing here?
• 1:08:32
  OK, I'm intrigued. Take it further.
• 1:08:35
  Her bio says that her species are already a corrupt,
• 1:08:39
  supernatural mingling of flesh and phantasm.
• 1:08:42
  Therefore my thinking is she's drawn to phantasm.
• 1:08:45
  Obviously he you know, that's what I regard him as.
• 1:08:48
  Apparently her favorite colour is blue, so I think that could
• 1:08:51
  work. How was How was her favorite
• 1:08:54
  color? How was her favorite color?
• 1:08:55
  Blue, OK. Just get past the job.
• 1:08:59
  Sorry. Don't don't dwell on it, yeah.
• 1:09:03
  And I think Hacknon would just be happy to escape Morgoli,
• 1:09:05
  quite frankly, so he'd be up for anything.
• 1:09:09
  So I so I think I think she's drawn towards the phantasms.
• 1:09:14
  He's desperate. It's a match made in heaven.
• 1:09:17
  And yeah, there's not much going to happen there because every
• 1:09:20
  time she tries to go near him, she's just going to kind of go,
• 1:09:23
  you know, slip. It's just going to be like kind
• 1:09:25
  of going through. Yeah, it's not a particular
• 1:09:28
  physical relationship, but. There's an attraction.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, OK, I got it. So her favorite color is blue
• 1:09:35
  like Trevor then? I'm.
• 1:09:40
  I'm literally not answering that.
• 1:09:43
  What's that say, John? Why are you saying that?
• 1:09:45
  You were the last one to create that controversy in the cabal,
• 1:09:48
  yeah. Yeah, I broke the cabal last
• 1:09:50
  semester if something was police, so I'm not going down
• 1:09:52
  that route again. That's funny.
• 1:09:57
  That's funny. That's funny.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, that's funny. One.
• 1:10:00
  I like it. I like it.
• 1:10:02
  Yeah. What have you got next?
• 1:10:06
  My last one actually. Yeah, it's a bit serious again.
• 1:10:10
  So reading into history and creating something Vitus and
• 1:10:17
  Neve. OK, tell us Vitus, Bio Vitus.
• 1:10:23
  That he was a broke Vitus. Vitus yeah mentions he was a
• 1:10:26
  broken man after the fall of Mercurian and Neve.
• 1:10:32
  It says she lost everything after the fall.
• 1:10:35
  Of I see. And she went to go after Atlas
• 1:10:42
  and but then joined him. So perhaps one of the things
• 1:10:45
  never lost was Vitus. Vitus.
• 1:10:47
  However you say Vitus, you know he became broken.
• 1:10:52
  He became unresponsive. Stop communicating with her.
• 1:10:56
  I know these are all meant to be love stories, and mine are all
• 1:10:58
  like broken hearts, I think, aren't they?
• 1:11:00
  Maybe it's that's that's part of it, yeah.
• 1:11:03
  You can only speak from your context.
• 1:11:05
  You know hearts in. The.
• 1:11:09
  World. It's like every.
• 1:11:09
  Good musician went to part as soon as he met his, he met his
• 1:11:13
  true love. You know I.
• 1:11:14
  Know they all become rubbish. Yeah, in love.
• 1:11:16
  Totally. Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  You really your best songs when you're a late teenager and
• 1:11:19
  everything is going wrong in your life anyway.
• 1:11:22
  That's it. So yeah, so you know, they split
• 1:11:25
  up, grow apart, never left to go after adventure and and of
• 1:11:30
  course that's going to make him feel even worse because and more
• 1:11:33
  of a shell of a man because he's lost his love and sounds like
• 1:11:36
  the healing is now started separately in their own worlds.
• 1:11:41
  Nice. That's good.
• 1:11:43
  I mean, if you can get past the noble bear thing there, rich,
• 1:11:48
  no. Yeah, no, I can.
• 1:11:50
  I actually really like that. And again, Miles thought very
• 1:11:53
  sensibly about this and connected the dots so their
• 1:11:55
  griefs brought them together. So I really like that idea.
• 1:11:58
  Very good. The.
• 1:11:58
  Griefs push them apart in this case.
• 1:12:02
  How many do you have left then, rich for us?
• 1:12:06
  Longish one. Not longish ones, but I've got 3
• 1:12:10
  lengthier ones and then. OK, you give us another one
• 1:12:13
  there then. Now I've got possibly 2 left,
• 1:12:15
  so. OK, I'll save that one for last.
• 1:12:20
  Well, I do. I apologize about that one when
• 1:12:22
  it comes to that. Oh, no.
• 1:12:24
  Yeah, I've lower in the bar here, but never mind.
• 1:12:27
  OK, on a more believable level. So, Delfina and Sir Elijah.
• 1:12:33
  OK, yeah, A man of the. Club.
• 1:12:35
  So yeah. So her bio says she loved the
• 1:12:38
  fact the Order was enigmatic and mysterious and operated
• 1:12:42
  secretly. And a woman that's called
• 1:12:44
  Elijah. Yeah, Sir Elijah is tasked with
• 1:12:47
  delivering messages, so will often be mysterious and
• 1:12:50
  operating in secret, so therefore there's an attraction
• 1:12:52
  there. She's like, interesting.
• 1:12:55
  Too sneaky people? Therefore, an instant
• 1:12:58
  attraction. And let's face it, the other the
• 1:13:02
  other Templar messenger we've got is I've got his name.
• 1:13:08
  The old. Fella Enoch.
• 1:13:11
  Enoch or Sir, Eunuch or somebody called him in the post.
• 1:13:15
  I didn't have the heart to correct them.
• 1:13:16
  It's like that. That's not how you.
• 1:13:17
  Felt No. OK, there we go.
• 1:13:19
  Although that would be a reason for her not to go anywhere near
• 1:13:21
  him. But yes, so there's an instant
• 1:13:23
  attraction there. And so Elijah's bio says that he
• 1:13:26
  is fluent in a variety of tongues.
• 1:13:28
  And that may have intrigued me, to be honest.
• 1:13:32
  Rocking yeah Delphina's World? How?
• 1:13:36
  Many tongues does he have. But that's that's, you know,
• 1:13:42
  that's with her love of secrecy and mystery and that then
• 1:13:45
  that's. Yeah, I mean if they're
• 1:13:47
  obviously, you know, if they're going to write the series at
• 1:13:49
  some stage there is going to have to be some kind of, you
• 1:13:52
  know, romantic plots. It can't all just be you know,
• 1:13:56
  boring battle and kind of you know, there's just going to get
• 1:13:59
  too much. So there is going to have to be
• 1:14:00
  some saucy stuff. So I mean this is kind of, you
• 1:14:03
  know, between the lines here where you have to kind of you
• 1:14:07
  you are going to go and and the most interesting ones are the
• 1:14:10
  ones that aren't likely to happen, which is, you know, with
• 1:14:13
  the Templars, you know, you think, oh, they're all just
• 1:14:18
  totally kind of, you know, religious and kind of, you know,
• 1:14:20
  focused on that side of it. But even you saw in Game of
• 1:14:24
  Thrones, those guys, the Daenerys had the that army.
• 1:14:28
  One of them, I can't remember the name of them, but they're
• 1:14:30
  all basically castrated. But they were still able to fall
• 1:14:34
  in love, you know? So umm, yeah, I I can definitely
• 1:14:39
  see it. Yeah, why not?
• 1:14:43
  Right? I got AI, got an interesting one
• 1:14:45
  here. Umm, the entire congregation of
• 1:14:49
  Necronominus, it's just all based on love.
• 1:14:57
  They love their leader. It's just pure, blind love.
• 1:15:02
  They're following Necronominus. They're all undead, literally.
• 1:15:06
  It's the love of the leader of the undead.
• 1:15:10
  It's all a love thing, you know, It's pure blind love in the
• 1:15:16
  congregation of Necronominus. And that's why they follow
• 1:15:19
  Necronominus to whatever fate they've already They were
• 1:15:23
  already dead. So you know they've suffered as
• 1:15:26
  much as they can, and why would they bother doing anything if it
• 1:15:30
  wasn't just this blind love for this kind of, uh, leader?
• 1:15:34
  That's bringing them forth to kind of get to where they want
• 1:15:39
  to go. I I like that.
• 1:15:45
  Yeah, Mal is shaking his head. Make.
• 1:15:47
  Me. Say it.
• 1:15:47
  What? You're going to make me say it.
• 1:15:49
  Which is? Because they were.
• 1:15:50
  They're all brought together by the love of a good bone.
• 1:15:58
  Yeah, well, that's all they have, you know?
• 1:16:00
  I mean, yeah, it is. It is.
• 1:16:02
  It's literally like 2 lads trying to start a fire.
• 1:16:05
  That's basically what it's going to be like, you know, two bits
• 1:16:12
  of timber together, trying to create a spark.
• 1:16:16
  It'd be like all those first dates programs that's on the TV,
• 1:16:19
  you know? And anytime it doesn't work out.
• 1:16:21
  But I didn't find a spark between us.
• 1:16:24
  Jesus, you're having dinner. You know, anyone that wasn't
• 1:16:28
  entire like in that scenario, anyone that isn't entirely
• 1:16:31
  offensive and disgusting and awful.
• 1:16:33
  I'd say, well, I'll go on a second date just to say, you
• 1:16:36
  know, but they're like, oh, I didn't see you back.
• 1:16:38
  I don't think I could fall in love and get married, OK, but we
• 1:16:44
  all, we all work to that standard.
• 1:16:46
  It ain't ever going to happen. Bit of work, people, bit of
• 1:16:51
  work. Yeah, you know, I mean love at
• 1:16:54
  first sight thing. It's very rare, and so yeah, the
• 1:16:58
  congregation. They're all following the love
• 1:17:01
  of Necronominus. Yeah, there's like a cult, isn't
• 1:17:04
  it? So, like, you know, yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah, it is all about love and. That sort of.
• 1:17:07
  Thing that's it is. You know you could you could
• 1:17:09
  apply to any of the weird cults that actually exist in real
• 1:17:12
  life. You know they're all is.
• 1:17:15
  And there's often, unfortunately, kind of in a
• 1:17:17
  sinister way, you know, this guy at the top who's kind of, you
• 1:17:20
  know, blind, you know, kind of blinded everyone into it.
• 1:17:24
  And then he's often taken advantage of the people within
• 1:17:27
  the cult as well, which is awful.
• 1:17:29
  And yeah, it's all based on that.
• 1:17:31
  They basically worship and love this leader, you know?
• 1:17:37
  Rich works well with that whole resurrection thing as well.
• 1:17:40
  You know, they sort of one minute, they're dead the next.
• 1:17:43
  Use their erection. Again and it's thanks to him.
• 1:17:52
  Right, Rich, what you got next? So I'll go for a serious one
• 1:17:57
  next and say this lives. This love story is Pelvicus and
• 1:18:02
  anyone at all he can get in his cauldron.
• 1:18:08
  Absolutely, yeah, 100% agree. Yeah, that could definitely be
• 1:18:13
  anyone, yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:18:15
  Anybody on a slightly more serious, but only slightly more.
• 1:18:20
  Note Gadriel and Magnus at my next one.
• 1:18:25
  Oh. Not even, not even an Angel can
• 1:18:30
  resist that beard he has. Let's face it, it's it's a hell
• 1:18:33
  of a beard. It's.
• 1:18:33
  A good beard. And he thinks she's the only one
• 1:18:37
  worthy of him because he basically is a vein.
• 1:18:40
  So and so in my law. So yeah.
• 1:18:45
  So he's like, only an angel's good enough for me.
• 1:18:47
  She's like, Oh my God, that beard.
• 1:18:49
  Yeah, never mind being all heavenly and this sort of stuff.
• 1:18:51
  I want a piece of that. That sounds good.
• 1:18:55
  That sounds good. I had another one here.
• 1:18:58
  So then this is the last one I think I have.
• 1:19:01
  So it's as a spirit Bender. And then I thought for some you
• 1:19:07
  know kind of also I want I saw the Sons of the Red Star as as
• 1:19:15
  possibly good candidates for using this type of tactic for
• 1:19:19
  for their means. You know, so obviously you know
• 1:19:23
  someone in the sun's the Red Star go out and kind of charm
• 1:19:26
  and we know we will somebody to kind of get them to do what they
• 1:19:30
  want to do. Uh and then I thought Manisha
• 1:19:34
  Cinder horn. So they're both kind of blue,
• 1:19:37
  you know. Uh OK.
• 1:19:39
  Female, female, fine. And then as a is this kind of
• 1:19:45
  necromancer and has control of the dead and Manisha is kind of
• 1:19:51
  going to use her, uh, to kind of maybe get the congregation of
• 1:19:57
  Necronominus more under control for the sons of the Red Star to
• 1:20:02
  kind of get to what they want to get.
• 1:20:05
  Oh, you know. And I think that's more
• 1:20:09
  interesting as a spirit Bender series level.
• 1:20:12
  Yeah. As a spirit Bender is more, uh,
• 1:20:15
  she's more kind of enigmatic and kind of, you know, really hard
• 1:20:19
  to kind of figure out. And maybe it takes a woman like
• 1:20:24
  minutiae to actually kind of charm her enough to kind of, you
• 1:20:29
  know, as a spirit Bender, it's not going to take the obvious
• 1:20:33
  coming at her, you know. So it's not going to be, you
• 1:20:39
  know, one of the mostly skeletons anyway within the
• 1:20:43
  within the Sons of the Red Star. But, you know, so you could
• 1:20:48
  pick, you could nearly pick any of the kind of other weird.
• 1:20:51
  But I just thought, you know, Minisha Cinderhorn as a kind of,
• 1:20:54
  it kind of works together. Uh, for that, for that purpose.
• 1:21:01
  So, yeah, But I think the overall concept of the Sons of
• 1:21:04
  the Red Star kind of using this tactic, you know, no, they
• 1:21:10
  already have to get their way. Yeah, they already have like say
• 1:21:13
  for example, Sir Gerard, who can kind of, you know, take on the
• 1:21:16
  form of any character that's already completely sneaky.
• 1:21:22
  They have the kind of assassins and, you know, the rich guy in
• 1:21:28
  the Terrace kind of funding them or whatever.
• 1:21:30
  So yeah, why not have somebody out kind of trying to determine
• 1:21:34
  the the people to get them on side for their evil ways because
• 1:21:40
  they want to have finger in all the pies.
• 1:21:46
  There's a good, good bitter thing in there, definitely so
• 1:21:49
  basically. We're introducing Smurf Love
• 1:21:52
  into a mythos, then. Could could well be with similar
• 1:21:55
  colours, that's for sure, yeah. I've got Azar in one of my last
• 1:22:02
  couple as well, John, so I'll jump on the back of your Your
• 1:22:05
  idea is really good and clever. Mine's far more brutal and short
• 1:22:09
  excuse. Oh, excuse the pun, I didn't
• 1:22:10
  mean like that. Azzar and Jordan rune Shaper.
• 1:22:16
  Oh, OK. So my thinking here is that no
• 1:22:20
  one non magical is foolish enough to go anywhere near her
• 1:22:24
  because they don't want to get like, you know, melted or and
• 1:22:28
  into a zombie or some other such weirdness.
• 1:22:31
  Dwarfs as tough as hell and can take a lot of punishment, and
• 1:22:34
  I'd imagine she probably dishes out a lot of punishment in a
• 1:22:36
  relationship, yeah, but he can take it.
• 1:22:39
  And he's very stubborn, like all dwarfs, and won't be put off by
• 1:22:42
  our utter craziness. Like it?
• 1:22:45
  Like it? Yeah, that's a good one.
• 1:22:50
  Definitely. And we got a bit of dwarf we we
• 1:22:52
  got the dwarfs in. We didn't want to completely
• 1:22:55
  ignore them. No, I just thought they were too
• 1:22:59
  cranky to be bothered with this kind of stuff.
• 1:23:01
  You know, we good. We good.
• 1:23:10
  I got. I got one more mile.
• 1:23:12
  I'd like to apologize in advance.
• 1:23:13
  This one may make you choke up on your monitor.
• 1:23:19
  Not a tiller in the bear or something like that.
• 1:23:21
  It's no, no. I stayed away from any
• 1:23:23
  bestiality. It was like, no, that's that's
• 1:23:24
  the line we don't want anywhere near this one is Morgalith and
• 1:23:28
  Sir Galleron. OK.
• 1:23:32
  OK, yeah, so Morgilith sees him as another being of great faith,
• 1:23:38
  which he likes. Obviously they're very
• 1:23:39
  religiously congregation. He sees her in a way, or he sees
• 1:23:47
  her as a way to sate his unquenchable thirst for revenge
• 1:23:51
  against those responsible for mysterious events in his
• 1:23:54
  troubled past. So he's basically using her to
• 1:23:57
  get somebody in the congregation who caused the the event that's
• 1:24:01
  in his buyer opposites attract. And she caught slice of him
• 1:24:06
  through the eyes of one of her dead soldiers, as you can see
• 1:24:08
  through their eyes, and was like, oh, I've got a look at
• 1:24:10
  that guy and he likes thinner women.
• 1:24:15
  Well, you can't get much thinner than that.
• 1:24:20
  Indeed. And how, how how was this
• 1:24:25
  offending Mao? Well, I was thinking he was
• 1:24:28
  going to be like, yeah, a bit of a skeleton.
• 1:24:29
  This one's not human. And all this?
• 1:24:31
  Sorts I think it was. No, he doesn't like the kind of
• 1:24:34
  blood and Gods kind of stuff. It was more.
• 1:24:37
  It was more that, I don't know, it was just something about the
• 1:24:40
  the way that we were describing a a tiller and what's the name
• 1:24:46
  going at it that was a little bit vomit inducing.
• 1:24:52
  It was a little too, yeah, I could see what you meant.
• 1:24:55
  And he It would have been weird. Gwen Gwen Dillo was too much for
• 1:25:00
  you ML. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:04
  So there you go. That's love in the land of
• 1:25:06
  Mythos. Maybe as maybe next Valentine's
• 1:25:10
  we can talk about love in Kozmirian.
• 1:25:13
  That would be fun. Yep, we will have a few more
• 1:25:17
  characters by then. Maybe we'll know a bit more
• 1:25:20
  about their interactions. We know there's one definite
• 1:25:24
  relationship, a husband and wife and because.
• 1:25:26
  That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can
• 1:25:28
  definitely, yeah, we can definitely say that that exists.
• 1:25:30
  So there's going to be some, there's going to be some
• 1:25:33
  desperate characters on the Ox crew, isn't there, with them
• 1:25:35
  trapped on that planet. So anything could go on that?
• 1:25:41
  Right. I I thought we'd finish tonight
• 1:25:43
  maybe just with a short little and and maybe it the the the
• 1:25:51
  guy's name can relate to the topic of discussion from
• 1:25:54
  tonight. But uh, did you see that Hasbro
• 1:25:57
  announced their results or at least indicated the results of
• 1:26:02
  the market for end of year 2024. So uh their CEO, Chris Cox,
• 1:26:08
  which I thought kind of fitted the team for tonight.
• 1:26:14
  So their, you know, their profits were down 48% last year.
• 1:26:19
  So which is interesting for the toy industry now don't cry all
• 1:26:25
  the tears that you have because they still made 407 million
• 1:26:29
  profits, you know, So I think this is what's wrong with the
• 1:26:34
  world in a way. And you know when you see this,
• 1:26:36
  you just think, OK, the toy industry is screwed or whatever.
• 1:26:39
  GI Joe did get a mention in one of the lines that's actually
• 1:26:42
  doing really well for them. I think it was their their D&D.
• 1:26:48
  So Wizards of the coasts, they own that which is basically the
• 1:26:51
  the DID&DIP and for Magic of the Gathering and all that kind of
• 1:26:55
  stuff, they actually did really well for them.
• 1:26:57
  So that's where they made the money on.
• 1:26:59
  And also this Boulder's Gate Three was a very big success for
• 1:27:02
  them and but since 2022 they've returned almost 1 billion to
• 1:27:09
  shareholders. You know so like this is the
• 1:27:13
  bullshit about shareholder value and kind of why these com like
• 1:27:17
  that's just money down the drain for that company.
• 1:27:19
  OK, I know they have shareholders but the
• 1:27:20
  shareholders you can give them zero, they'll just sell your
• 1:27:24
  shares. I mean you shouldn't give a shit
• 1:27:26
  about them in a way, in my opinion and I this is someone
• 1:27:29
  that's worked in investment funds for a lot of their career,
• 1:27:34
  OK. It's important you know you are
• 1:27:36
  responsible for shareholders whatever, but to a certain
• 1:27:39
  extent returning them 1 billion and then turning around a year
• 1:27:42
  later and saying Oh yeah we're profits are down or whatever.
• 1:27:46
  Well maybe you should have used that money a bit more wisely you
• 1:27:49
  know and there's always shareholders for your company.
• 1:27:53
  So I I think that's that's my spin on the context for for you
• 1:27:58
  know people are going to see the headlines and think all the toy
• 1:28:01
  industries and the toilets or whatever and and you know they
• 1:28:05
  say they have reduced their inventories and they have
• 1:28:07
  reduced all this stuff that that's just good business.
• 1:28:10
  They're they're just actually running their business properly
• 1:28:12
  if they're doing that kind of stuff and they weren't running
• 1:28:15
  it properly before if they weren't doing that and they had
• 1:28:17
  too much in inventory, you know. So it's, uh, just an interesting
• 1:28:22
  kind of context and it also contrasts vastly with what we're
• 1:28:26
  dealing with here with the Four Horsemen and the smaller company
• 1:28:29
  really focused on collectors and whatever.
• 1:28:32
  And but I just, I just, I guess from my perspective and you
• 1:28:36
  know, because we have a podcast, I mean, I just want to, you
• 1:28:39
  know, people will read the headlines there and think, oh,
• 1:28:42
  it's the end of the world for toy collecting, whatever.
• 1:28:45
  I don't think it really is. I think it's just a company like
• 1:28:49
  Hasbro that's kind of, you know, just really lazy in terms of how
• 1:28:54
  they operate. And when the good times are
• 1:28:56
  good, like a bad government, they just spend, spend, spend
• 1:29:00
  and then suddenly their trousers gets pulled down and kind of,
• 1:29:03
  you know, they have a couple of bad quarters and it's like, oh,
• 1:29:06
  we'll have a whole lot of people, which is awful for those
• 1:29:08
  people. And that's what's terrible about
• 1:29:10
  this whole thing. And and you know, they're still
• 1:29:14
  making 407 million profit and there's some guy that's earning,
• 1:29:18
  you know, 30, forty $50,000 a year that's, you know, looking
• 1:29:23
  for a job at the moment because you know, these idiots don't
• 1:29:25
  know how to run their company properly.
• 1:29:28
  So it's a it's it's a pity, you know, but there is, you know,
• 1:29:35
  there is things that they do that are great.
• 1:29:37
  You know, obviously, you know the the D&D stuff they're
• 1:29:41
  looking after lines like GLG are great.
• 1:29:43
  I mean we've talked about on our one of our patron episodes how
• 1:29:46
  good that line is and if they could do more kind of good
• 1:29:50
  stuff. I don't think that brings them.
• 1:29:52
  Of course it brings them a lot of money, but I don't think it
• 1:29:54
  brings them the big box. It's not going to be the
• 1:29:56
  difference here, but it just shows that they can actually
• 1:30:01
  produce the kind of stuff. But when you guys hear something
• 1:30:05
  like that, what do you think? Like, you know.
• 1:30:10
  Yeah, and doing lines like GI Joe in my head, it it engenders
• 1:30:14
  good faith with people. It's like, you know, we started
• 1:30:18
  off making this a modern GI Joe line.
• 1:30:20
  It died on its arse very quickly.
• 1:30:22
  Therefore, we've gone back to more traditional stuff.
• 1:30:25
  You're all loving it. We're we're In Sync with you.
• 1:30:27
  You know, we're putting out the characters you want.
• 1:30:29
  You know, they'd not be messing around with the characters.
• 1:30:31
  There's a couple of minor ones, but they've generally been
• 1:30:33
  chucking out well known characters.
• 1:30:36
  So it's it's like they, you know, that makes people like
• 1:30:40
  Hasbro, but then they'll shoot themselves in the foot and do
• 1:30:43
  other things like laying people off, you know?
• 1:30:45
  Oh well if you lay off 10,000 people, we can make another 30
• 1:30:48
  million profit when it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's
• 1:30:52
  not the way to do it. But then the problem is it's a
• 1:30:55
  few people have said this, you know, they're a business.
• 1:30:57
  They don't give a monkeys about the toys or the lines or
• 1:31:02
  anything. Generally it's a case of we want
• 1:31:04
  to make money. Yeah, it's clear that as I, as I
• 1:31:07
  think what I said described they just care about the
• 1:31:10
  shareholders, you know, so to just remember that when you hear
• 1:31:15
  about it, you know 407 million profit is not good enough for
• 1:31:18
  them. You know it's all about that's a
• 1:31:22
  percentage lower than the previous year.
• 1:31:24
  So it's rubbish. You know, that is the shame
• 1:31:28
  here, you know, and I'm not trying to be a socialist or a
• 1:31:31
  communist about it, but like that is how it works, you know,
• 1:31:35
  that is how that whole thing works.
• 1:31:38
  So always think, you know, if they say they make a loss and
• 1:31:42
  and like they they rolled off 1 billion for some other thing,
• 1:31:45
  you know. So this is a bookkeeping entry,
• 1:31:47
  you know, so this is kind of the stuff you're talking about here.
• 1:31:52
  This isn't like we've sold less of this and less of that.
• 1:31:55
  It's it's literally just, you know, it's a whole load of kind
• 1:32:00
  of accounting and kind of bullshit.
• 1:32:02
  And yeah, some things are not selling as well for them as
• 1:32:05
  before, but that's their fault. That's not your eyes fault
• 1:32:09
  because we haven't bought it. It's their fault for producing
• 1:32:14
  crap that no one wants to buy, you know?
• 1:32:16
  And when they do produce stuff that loads of people want to
• 1:32:18
  buy, I mean, there's loads of great GI Joe figures, for
• 1:32:22
  example, sitting on Hasbro Pulse that are sold out.
• 1:32:25
  Make more of them. You'll sell another one of them
• 1:32:27
  if you want to be arsed, you know, you know, if that's what
• 1:32:33
  you want. If you want to make money, make
• 1:32:35
  more of them. Don't be turning around to me
• 1:32:36
  and saying, oh, I care about the collectors.
• 1:32:38
  We don't want to screw over the collectors because, uh, you
• 1:32:41
  know, the ones that have got them and are exclusive and they
• 1:32:43
  can sell them for double on eBay, you know, we don't want to
• 1:32:46
  bother them if we know you just want to make you're just
• 1:32:49
  interested in money. Make more of the ones that we
• 1:32:51
  want, you know, You know, we all, we all love the dread
• 1:32:56
  knocks in GI Joe. Make them all, you know, Make
• 1:32:58
  loads of them. Make color variants of them.
• 1:33:01
  We'll buy them all, you know? Yeah.
• 1:33:04
  Oh, and I mean, there's so many figures to come from GI Joe as
• 1:33:08
  well, isn't there? Yeah.
• 1:33:09
  And touched on some of the the originals, so.
• 1:33:12
  Yeah, I was looking through that that site that I used for the
• 1:33:16
  for our classified discussion. They have also the vintage
• 1:33:19
  figures on it. There's a lot of good stuff
• 1:33:22
  there. Yeah, I mean, Rich, you're
• 1:33:23
  obviously way more familiar than it with it than me.
• 1:33:26
  So, I mean, a lot of it won't be surprised for you, but there's a
• 1:33:30
  lot of good stuff they can be making, you know?
• 1:33:32
  And there's a lot of small sized, you know, not much bigger
• 1:33:38
  than bikes, not smaller than the Is it the Ram they did they're
• 1:33:44
  doing forget what the vehicles they could do as well.
• 1:33:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:51
  And hopefully they'll now, I was going to say hopefully there's
• 1:33:55
  not be more of those smaller vehicles now, yeah.
• 1:33:58
  Look at the Todd. Father, The first one, so.
• 1:34:00
  Look at the Todd father, that skeleton bat cycle he did.
• 1:34:03
  People went mental for that, you know.
• 1:34:07
  And what the Todd do we just turned on the the printers and
• 1:34:10
  kept going, you know he did loads more of it.
• 1:34:13
  Yeah, you know, anyway, the whole.
• 1:34:16
  Hasbro thing and the shareholders thing, it it, it
• 1:34:19
  reminds me of Toys-R-Us. So when Toys-R-Us went belly up,
• 1:34:22
  everyone was like, Oh yeah, there's no market for physical
• 1:34:25
  toy stores. Yes, the market's obviously gone
• 1:34:27
  down, but everyone just skirted past the fact that the region,
• 1:34:30
  Toys R reason rather Toys-R-Us went bust.
• 1:34:33
  Is it was because the finance. Yeah, they.
• 1:34:35
  Leveraged their business. The hedge, yeah.
• 1:34:37
  The hedge fund that bought them leveraged all their debt onto
• 1:34:39
  Toys-R-Us. Yeah, so that they bank they
• 1:34:42
  bought Toys-R-Us, then bankrupted it and made 30 odd
• 1:34:45
  thousand people redundant. Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
• 1:34:50
  It's got nothing to do with reality of life and who's buying
• 1:34:53
  toys and that sort of stuff. It's just some.
• 1:34:55
  Yeah, it's amazing. It's like I worked in the.
• 1:34:59
  I worked in the investment fund industry.
• 1:35:01
  And the reason I didn't want to go into the private equity
• 1:35:04
  industry, which was is very lucrative in terms of getting a
• 1:35:07
  good job there is because of all this crap that they do.
• 1:35:12
  You know, you'll have a great job doing the, you know,
• 1:35:15
  whatever for the private equity company.
• 1:35:17
  But like they're gutting, you know, they're buying investments
• 1:35:21
  and just trimming the crap out of them for three or four years
• 1:35:25
  and dumping them off for a profit.
• 1:35:27
  And then they move on and they're very good at that.
• 1:35:30
  And sometimes the businesses need that and you'd see the
• 1:35:33
  likes of a football club or, you know, some sports team that you
• 1:35:37
  know that can work for. But, you know, there's there's
• 1:35:42
  real people involved that, you know, you know, they go into a
• 1:35:45
  football club and they fire, you know, four of the five cleaners,
• 1:35:49
  you know, and then they've only one cleaning lady and she's
• 1:35:52
  having to, you know, kill herself doing all the work.
• 1:35:55
  And there's four people who have a job, you know, and that's how
• 1:35:58
  they trim costs, you know, it's that principle just extended the
• 1:36:00
  whole way across. But yeah, that's what happened
• 1:36:04
  to Toys-R-Us. You're exactly right.
• 1:36:05
  Someone met a bad bet. The market went the wrong way
• 1:36:07
  and all these toy shops closed and of course companies came in
• 1:36:11
  and bought the franchise or the business and the stock.
• 1:36:13
  And you know, umm, somehow that kind of went on.
• 1:36:18
  But yeah, there it goes. And anyway as the hamster takes
• 1:36:23
  another drink of the water, Rich, I'm going to bring us all
• 1:36:29
  to a close and I think we should we should go out in another
• 1:36:36
  little. We should go out we should play
• 1:36:37
  the full version of the love song that we played at the
• 1:36:40
  start, which I thought from. Yeah.
• 1:36:43
  So happy Valentine's week everyone.
• 1:36:45
  Hope you had a great one. We'll talk to you next week,
• 1:36:48
  hopefully. I think I might have boxes in
• 1:36:50
  hand by the time we record next week.
• 1:36:52
  You never know. So we can oh I'm getting the so
• 1:36:56
  we can definitely talk a little bit more about that and see what
• 1:36:59
  happens. And we'll of course talk a bit
• 1:37:01
  more about the retailer wave and what's happening, you know so.
• 1:37:04
  Yeah, very excited to be talking about that in the future,
• 1:37:08
  definitely. Definitely.
• 1:37:09
  So take it away. What is love?
• 1:37:11
  Which way? The window?
• 1:37:12
  The way your. Smiles show what's on your mind.
• 1:37:27
  All the heart knows which way your love knows.
• 1:37:33
  Just how your love grows over time.
• 1:37:39
  All the heart No heart knows I've been wandering down a dead
• 1:37:51
  end, St. through every world of sorrow and deceit.
• 1:38:00
  And all along it was you I longed to mean.
• 1:38:06
  And when I saw you I knew I was complete Because of heart.
• 1:38:15
  Of heart? No.
• 1:38:20
  I was searching.