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Ep. 625 Matt's Off-Road Recovery Interview | How the Yellow Banana XJ Became a Legend · Jeep Talk Show

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  And Tony!
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  I think that's a huge deal.
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  So sit back, strap
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  in, and brace yourself.
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  Hi I'm Chris and I'm really looking
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  forward to hearing this interview.
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  Oh, me too.
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  No, I've already heard it.
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  Never mind.
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  Hi, I'm Tony and in this episode I
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  interview Matt for
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  Matt's Off-Road Recovery.
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  What a fun interview.
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  Chris, it was a lot of fun talking to
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  Matt and I learned a
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  lot of interesting things
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  that I had no idea.
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  Now Chris, I don't want you to give away
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  your magic, but I'm curious.
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  I think I reached out to Matt's Off-Road
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  Towing and I didn't
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  have a specific name or
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  anything to reach out to like an email
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  address or anything as I recall.
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  So I kind of had to poke
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  around and hit a couple of emails.
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  But I never got a response until
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  relatively recently, like
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  maybe six months a year ago
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  that I got a response.
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  And they were telling me, oh yeah, here's
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  our media kit and we
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  have some nice merchandise
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  that you can buy.
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  So it was like, you know, somebody
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  respond to this guy.
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  He won't leave us alone.
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  Let's he's he's obviously
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  really interested in us.
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  Maybe if he buys a tow rope
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  from us, he'll feel better.
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  Yeah, just persistence.
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  Really, I was just fortunate to be a
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  little persistence with phone calls.
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  And I believe sometimes
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  it takes that much time.
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  So obviously you've been reaching out.
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  I started reaching out
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  and just persistence.
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  I don't know what the phrase might be,
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  but just persistence pays off.
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  Well, your your job is a salesperson.
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  Your your daily daily
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  job is a salesperson.
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  So you were just using
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  your salesman tactics.
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  Is tactics the right way to say is that
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  gets that is that rude?
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  No, not at all. Not at all.
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  It's it's it's you
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  got to ask for the sale.
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  And that's that's something
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  many people in sales don't do.
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  And then the sale in this case is time.
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  And we were finally
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  able to get Matt's time.
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  And we weren't asking him for money.
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  It was time.
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  And you got to ask for the sale.
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  And that's what we got to do.
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  So if you don't mind me asking, of
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  course, you can always say pass.
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  But are you a natural salesperson or was
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  this something that you had to?
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  I mean, we all have to learn our jobs.
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  But this this selling
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  come natural to you?
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  I would say no, I don't believe in the
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  born salesman or salesperson.
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  But it's just it's just learning.
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  It is. And then I learned many years ago
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  through various sales
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  trainings, it's just
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  getting that simple follow up.
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  Many salespeople follow.
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  Hey, Tony, are you interested?
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  You maybe get two,
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  three minutes your time.
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  Let me send you a brochure.
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  And they expect that
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  you're going to call them back.
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  And you got to be persistent, but not not
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  a not a pass persistent,
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  but not a pass has been my.
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  Where do you find that line, though?
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  Because that's my problem is I figure if
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  one call is being a pest.
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  That's the reason why.
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  And it just blows my mind that you
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  actually call these
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  people up on the phone.
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  Because I can just well imagine like, oh,
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  my God, what do you want?
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  Why are you calling me?
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  We don't do anything on phones anymore.
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  We do it through email
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  and through social media.
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  Why are you calling me on the phone?
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  That's that's true.
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  A phone call is upsetting for many
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  people, especially younger people,
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  younger than myself, younger than 40 ish.
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  But it's just you just ask again, it's
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  asking for that sale.
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  And I learned it's the next
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  it's always selling in that.
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  Hey, Tony, we have a conversation.
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  When's a good time to follow up with you?
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  I'll put it back on you.
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  You you might I don't
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  know, I'm real busy.
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  OK, may I call you back in two weeks and
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  you can gauge from the conversation,
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  especially if it's on the phone.
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  Am I bothering you? Am I annoying you?
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  Or are you maybe open to it?
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  And yeah, you're interested, but you're
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  just too busy to deal with it right now.
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  And I would like to talk to you about it.
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  But, you know, in a couple of weeks, do
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  you find that sometimes people
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  are just being polite and and they're not
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  really interested or?
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  Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
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  The second or third follow up phone call
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  or email, you're like, all right,
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  they're just not
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  interested in you drop it.
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  You just you OK. OK.
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  And and OK, well, anyway, we can we can
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  get into sales one on one later.
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  I just find it
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  fascinating that there is a
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  way of doing this where
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  people don't hire a hit man.
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  You can do that, but
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  it gets a little messy.
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  And yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  There's always the the evidence traced
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  back because you've got notes
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  about who you were calling and how often.
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  Yeah, that's interesting.
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  So on the phone numbers, do
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  you just find those online?
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  Do you have the find somebody and then
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  and then they say, well, no,
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  you got the wrong person to go. Oh, do
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  you have their number?
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  And yes, that direction.
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  Yes, I mean, for a lot of
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  these companies and certainly
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  Matt's offer, they do
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  have a phone number you call.
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  And in this case, I called and asked for
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  Matt and had about a 10 second
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  with them. And once you
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  realize what I was calling about,
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  he got me over one of his, you know,
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  obviously he's got a staff.
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  I think he talks about in the interview
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  and you go from there.
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  But they're just calling up.
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  And the other thing, some people are
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  afraid to ask for the
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  person or ask for the boss.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Oftentimes you don't get it.
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  But if you're just straightforward, this
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  is the purpose of my call.
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  This is what I'm asking for.
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  Be it time or a sale or money.
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  And a lot of times you get it.
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  Sometimes you get shut down for sure.
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  But you'd be surprised.
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  It's just asking for that sale.
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  It's my my salesman one on one for today.
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  Just ask for the sale.
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  Well, I guess we're
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  all selling, aren't we?
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  We're selling here on the show.
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  We're trying to sell the
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  show to people to listen.
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  Matt's certainly trying to sell to people
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  to on YouTube and the products and stuff
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  that he sells on his site and his
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  services, which, you
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  know, is probably the I
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  should have started with that one because
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  the service of him getting people out of
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  out of harm is probably the primary
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  service, even though I
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  know he's putting a lot
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  into all this other stuff.
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  So we're all selling all the time.
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  So I guess maybe part of us are just kind
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  of like, well, this guy's just trying to
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  sell like I try to sell.
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  So, you know, let me, let me give him
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  five minutes and then
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  you, then you're on.
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  It's your, it's showtime for you and it's
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  time for you to make your point in it as
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  to why your product or services is
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  important to that person or not.
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  But yeah, so I guess I can see that it's
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  not initially being polite.
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  It's just remembering how hard it is to
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  get somebody's time.
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  And I didn't know that you had spoken
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  with Matt during this process.
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  That's pretty cool.
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  Yeah, just briefly, just really briefly.
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  And after, yeah, admittedly I hadn't been
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  as an avid viewer of his channel.
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  He's out there getting it done.
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  I mean, he was going out
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  to do in the recoveries.
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  I mean, he's got people that work for him
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  and support him, but he's, he's on the
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  road day and night and it was really cool
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  that, Hey, he happened to be there and I
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  got to talk to him.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, and I want, I want to say
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  he's been given a gift.
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  I don't want, I mean, I don't want to
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  make it sound like he
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  doesn't deserve it or
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  he didn't work for it
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  because he certainly did.
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  But whenever you have the interest of a
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  lot of people, I personally consider it a
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  gift.
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  I consider it a gift that people take the
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  time to download these, these episodes.
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  Cause I'm just some
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  knucklehead talking into a microphone.
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  So, you know, who am I?
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  And fortunately, I don't have Matt's
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  magic, at least not yet.
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  Uh, but, uh, I think we're getting there
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  and, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's just,
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  it's just exhilarating talking to
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  somebody that is doing
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  it is, is making money and
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  entertaining people at the same time.
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  From around the world.
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  Or from your city.
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  And sometimes just down the street.
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  How'd a neighbor, it's the
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  Jeep talk show interview.
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  All right, he'll boys and girls, it's
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  time for another Jeep
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  talk show interview.
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  And tonight we're going to be talking
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  with, uh, the, the one that you guys have
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  asked about so much, you know, you need
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  to get Matt on the show.
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  You need to get Matt on the show.
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  Well, Matt's on the show.
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  I mean, we may have a hit here, a clicker
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  in a second, but so far we're doing good.
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  I've actually talked to him.
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  He's actually on the phone.
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  So Matt is with Matt's off-road recovery.
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  He has been in the off-road recovery
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  business for most of his life and has
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  been doing it professionally since 2009.
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  He started this YouTube YouTube channel,
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  uh, may of 2019 and now has over
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  1 million subscribers, my God.
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  And, and you don't, there's no nakedness
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  on this channel, right?
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  I mean, it's just you and your XJ, your
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  yellow XJ towing vehicles.
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  That's pretty much it.
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  Can you imagine what would happen if you,
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  if you had some, uh, low cut shirts or
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  some, uh, high pants that when you're
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  doing this, the Matt?
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  Oh yeah.
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  I imagine we might get
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  more clicks, but less views.
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  So, uh, I was just, uh, right before we
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  got connected up here, I was looking at
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  one of your latest videos and there's
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  been some, uh, some changes or at least
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  some paint changes, uh, to
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  the, uh, the yellow banana.
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  Yeah.
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  It just recently we've, we're, we're just
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  finishing up a complete
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  like restoration and upgrade.
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  Now, does that restoration and upgrade,
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  uh, do anything to the 4.0 that's
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  in there as the power plant?
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  It's actually got a Golan
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  engines 4.6 stroker in it.
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  So it's, it's based on the 4.0.
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  It's just got the, the stroker crank in
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  it and little bit of,
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  little bit of cam in it.
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  Yeah.
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  A little bit.
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  It's still, it's still the, it's still
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  the four Oh, I mean, I know what you're
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  saying, but it's still the four Oh, and I
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  think that is so cool.
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  I mean, I think that, uh, there's a lot
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  of people out there.
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  Like when I would take my XJ to events
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  and stuff, everybody, two or three,
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  at least would walk up and
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  say, I used to have one of these.
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  I used to have one of these.
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  And what do you got now?
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  I got a Wrangler.
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  I got this one.
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  Well, I don't know why people thought
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  they had to get rid of their, their XJs.
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  And I just thought it was so cool.
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  And it was probably
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  three, four years ago.
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  Uh, I mean, maybe not four, but, uh, it
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  was several years ago that I ran
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  across your videos and I was like, this
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  guy's using an XJ to pull people out.
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  Much bigger vehicles.
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  This is so cool.
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  Yeah.
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  I get a lot of positive, um, like people
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  react to it very positively.
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  Um, even if they don't start out positive
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  by the time I'm done with the job,
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  they're like, what in
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  the world just happened?
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  This is amazing.
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  Now, if I remember correctly and keep in
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  mind, I haven't seen this for a while,
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  but you did a, like a walk around on the
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  XJ, maybe a year ago or so.
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  And you have a lot of custom, uh, drive
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  train underneath
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  there from the standpoint
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  of, I think it had a GM axle.
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  It was at the, in the
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  rear, it has a GM axle.
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  Um, yeah, the time it did.
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  Um, I've, I since then I've,
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  uh, switched to a full floater.
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  I think it's out of afforded when people
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  asked me what it came out of.
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  I said, it came out of a
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  field behind the guy's house.
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  Cause that's where I got it.
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  It's, it's in the XJ.
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  That's where it is.
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  So what do you do?
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  It's in the XJ.
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  Yeah.
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  So what are you doing for the front axle?
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  Um, the front axles are wagoneer 44.
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  Oh, very nice.
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  So if, if you divide your axles into the
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  wide and narrow, it's still the narrow
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  track, um, roughly 60, I don't know, 62
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  inches wide from hub, mount to hub,
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  mount, little, mount to little, mount.
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  And, uh, is it still your engineering as
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  far as getting those
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  things, uh, connected to the, uh, the XJ?
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  Did you have to do any beefing?
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  Yeah.
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  And I came.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I, I've been fixing the question
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  was, have I done any beefing up to
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  the, the, the, the
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  unibody, the, the unibody.
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  Cause I would think the unibody would be
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  something that really would be a problem.
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  So yeah, it depends on, on when you take
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  a snapshot on how it is because the, the
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  Jeep evolved that the sex was evolving
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  with the work that I was having to do.
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  And then as of the work picked more and
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  more, and then I would upgrade the
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  bigger axles and bigger tires and then
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  bigger axles and bigger tires on this
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  last rebuild we did, I finally added
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  frame stiffeners and then an interior
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  roll cage system that was more designed
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  to stiffen the body than.
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  Uh, over.
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  Right.
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  I bet you that it really feels, I bet you
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  really feels sturdy now that you
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  don't get that flex that you probably
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  didn't even realize was there before.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I knew it was there.
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  Um, cause when you're driving with the
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  window down and got your finger between
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  the door and the, and the rain gutter
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  there, you can fill up flexing.
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  Yeah.
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  That that's virtually gone now.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's really happy with that.
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  I put some frames, differenters on mine.
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  Uh, they go along the outside of the, uh,
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  the unibody rails, uh, and
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  their plug weld to, to it.
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  And I noticed a huge difference.
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  It just, it just feels more like it's
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  just, you know, it's not, uh, it's not
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  flexing as much as really nice.
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  And I imagine yours is even more, uh,
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  more sturdy with that, uh, that cage.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's got a couple of other cross
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  members cause I've, I've got it four
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  linked front and rear, and so I added
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  cross members for those.
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  So it's, it's tied together pretty good.
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  Now, have you actually broken, uh, broken
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  it using it out, uh, to tow people?
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  I mean, I've seen you tow stuff up, uh,
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  uh, climbs, stair
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  steps, all kinds of stuff.
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  And it just seems to go and go.
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  And it just as an XJ owner, that was an
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  XJ was my first Jeep.
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  We bought it new in 98.
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  I still got it.
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  So I have a lot of love for the XJ and I
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  just love seeing a working XJ.
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  Yeah.
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  That's kind of the big thing is like, I
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  have a one owner XJ.
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  Nice.
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  Nice.
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  I've, I've broke a couple of outer stub
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  shafts on both of them on the left side
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  on the front axle, but I've never, I've
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  never really had a catastrophic failure
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  that stopped me from
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  completing a mission.
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  So, um, it's just, it's just taking it
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  back in and looking at it like, Oh,
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  this is cracking or, or I was really
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  worried about the stock axles after,
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  you know, when I went to 33 inch tires,
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  um, I could just see signs
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  that like the axle tubes were twisting
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  inside the front housing.
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  And I'm like, Oh, it's time to upgrade.
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  Yeah.
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  Better do it before then too late.
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  So, um, it's, uh, it's really, it's a lot
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  of fun to watch you pull and tow
• 14:52
  things up and out of the way, but you
• 14:55
  only go so far with, with the XJ,
• 14:57
  you know, it's limitations and then
• 14:59
  you'll bring in the big stuff or add, uh,
• 15:01
  add board XJs to it.
• 15:03
  At least that's what I've seen in the
• 15:04
  past where you add another
• 15:06
  XJ to the towing thing.
• 15:08
  Right.
• 15:09
  And the, and the YouTube is kind of an
• 15:11
  interesting window because it's just
• 15:13
  a window into what we're doing.
• 15:15
  You're not seeing
• 15:16
  everything that's going on.
• 15:18
  And so we post the videos that we feel
• 15:22
  will be the most
• 15:23
  interesting to the viewer.
• 15:25
  And the more we struggle, the more
• 15:27
  interested you guys are.
• 15:29
  So I might do a hundred jobs that are
• 15:31
  just like, just, we just go out.
• 15:33
  We have everything we
• 15:34
  need, everything goes smooth.
• 15:37
  Um, and then we'll get one job where it
• 15:39
  really pushes the limits of the machine
• 15:41
  or our equipment where we weren't
• 15:43
  prepared for something.
• 15:45
  And of course that one we're going to
• 15:47
  upload and be like, Oh, this was a real
• 15:48
  struggle.
• 15:49
  And so people think, well, why don't you
• 15:51
  carry the equipment that you need to do
• 15:54
  this job?
• 15:55
  And the reason is, is we carry the
• 15:58
  equipment we need to do 99.9% of what we
• 16:01
  do, and then this one little bit.
• 16:03
  And I've been, you know, we've been
• 16:05
  YouTube and you know how the internet is,
• 16:07
  but I really want to get all the stuff
• 16:10
  that people have recommended that I carry
• 16:12
  and put it in a pile and weigh it.
• 16:14
  And I would say probably
• 16:16
  about 3000 pounds of gear.
• 16:17
  Yeah.
• 16:18
  Yeah.
• 16:18
  Well, you know, it's, it's great being a
• 16:20
  YouTube expert, you know, it doesn't
• 16:22
  require any knowledge or anything.
• 16:24
  It's kind of like that YouTube certified
• 16:26
  mechanic patch that I want to get.
• 16:28
  Uh, so yeah, I try to
• 16:31
  stay aware from the advice.
• 16:32
  It does work for what we're doing.
• 16:34
  There's a, there's a reason where we've
• 16:36
  been running this XJ and we're going to
• 16:37
  keep running it because it just flat out
• 16:39
  works for what we're doing.
• 16:41
  It gets on the tight trails.
• 16:42
  It gets in the small areas and it, it
• 16:45
  just punches above its weight.
• 16:47
  So, well, that's not going anywhere.
• 16:50
  It's the underdog.
• 16:51
  I mean, you, people look at
• 16:52
  this, they call them boxes.
• 16:54
  Uh, and then the scene one that does,
• 16:56
  does what you've got yours doing.
• 16:58
  And it's also to the will of the driver
• 17:00
  is a lot of it and knowing the vehicle.
• 17:02
  So, uh, you're, uh, you know, you could
• 17:04
  tear that thing up in an instant if you
• 17:06
  wanted to, but you know how, what you're
• 17:07
  doing and how to do it.
• 17:08
  So, uh, but it's great that the machine
• 17:11
  can handle so much of that.
• 17:12
  And I didn't mention at the start, I
• 17:14
  mean, I just figure
• 17:15
  everybody knows, but I know
• 17:16
  some of you don't, uh, Matt's off-road
• 17:19
  recovery, the YouTube channel, uh, over
• 17:22
  a million subscribers, 1.04, but who's
• 17:24
  counting and, uh, how
• 17:26
  did that work for you?
• 17:27
  I mean, were you, I just, just seeing you
• 17:30
  on the video and stuff, you don't look
• 17:32
  like a, Hey, let's get
• 17:33
  this thing on YouTube.
• 17:34
  You know, like, so my dad's got a bar and
• 17:36
  let's put it on a show.
• 17:36
  You just don't come across that way.
• 17:38
  How did the YouTube thing come about?
• 17:41
  Well, like, and I think it's the same way
• 17:45
  anybody arrives at anything.
• 17:48
  Like you have support
• 17:49
  from friends and family.
• 17:50
  They're like, you should do this.
• 17:51
  You should do this.
• 17:52
  Um, of course, when, when somebody first
• 17:54
  says that it doesn't mean anything
• 17:56
  because you don't know anything about, I
• 17:56
  didn't know anything about it.
• 17:58
  And I mean, I've, I've watched YouTube.
• 18:00
  I, I mostly used YouTube for like how to,
• 18:03
  like, Oh, I'm going to
• 18:04
  be doing this project.
• 18:05
  Let me look at it.
• 18:06
  And it was YouTube was valuable to me
• 18:08
  that way, but I didn't really
• 18:09
  use YouTube as an entertainment source.
• 18:11
  So when the idea came up,
• 18:12
  Hey, you should put this up.
• 18:13
  People watch it for entertainment.
• 18:14
  I'm like, yeah, right.
• 18:15
  You know, whatever, but a
• 18:17
  couple of years of that.
• 18:19
  Um, and I was getting really
• 18:20
  good results from my Facebook.
• 18:23
  Um, cause I was promoting winter towing.
• 18:25
  And I would post a picture of a tow truck
• 18:29
  with a, you know, with a car with a bad
• 18:30
  alternator and nobody liked it.
• 18:32
  But if I posted a picture of my little
• 18:34
  Jeep hooked up to a,
• 18:35
  you know, a diesel truck
• 18:36
  with a toy hauler buried up to the axles
• 18:38
  and sand or mud or
• 18:40
  whatever, I was getting
• 18:42
  a massive amount of views and shares and,
• 18:45
  and then just the comments and that kind
• 18:47
  of reinforced what some of my friends and
• 18:49
  family were telling me that people
• 18:50
  were interested in this stuff.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:52
  I just kind of educated myself just
• 18:54
  barely enough to start a YouTube channel.
• 18:57
  And I had no idea that it
• 18:59
  was going to do what it did.
• 19:01
  Right.
• 19:01
  Well, it is interesting
• 19:03
  and it is put together well.
• 19:04
  So, uh, I mean, you can say that and
• 19:06
  there's, there's
• 19:07
  personalities involved in it too.
• 19:08
  It's not just, uh, people that are, um,
• 19:12
  it's just not the
• 19:13
  off-road, uh, uh, towing
• 19:15
  type of videos, there's, there's you
• 19:17
  talking, there's you interacting with
• 19:18
  other people, there's
• 19:19
  funny things going on.
• 19:21
  So I think it's, it's, it's, uh, very
• 19:23
  important that you actually have, uh,
• 19:25
  people involved in it and
• 19:26
  conversations involved in it.
• 19:28
  I think it, it's not just a wheeling
• 19:30
  video cause you, I mean, not that you're
• 19:31
  wheeling, but it's not, absolutely.
• 19:34
  Yeah.
• 19:34
  It's not that you just keep going down
• 19:37
  the road or something.
• 19:39
  People like to see people coming together
• 19:42
  and solving problems and doing
• 19:45
  interesting things and also doing things
• 19:48
  like, cause one thing we're doing things
• 19:50
  that a lot of people don't do, like they
• 19:53
  don't, a lot of people don't have access
• 19:55
  to what, what we're doing.
• 19:56
  So they're watching for that, but then
• 19:58
  they're also, you know, like the same as
• 20:01
  me, um, I, when I tell other YouTubers
• 20:04
  how to make their channel better, I said,
• 20:06
  you need to be
• 20:06
  confident and not confident.
• 20:08
  Like, Hey, I'm, I'm
• 20:10
  smart enough to do this.
• 20:11
  I'm smart.
• 20:11
  I'm, you know, I know what I'm doing.
• 20:14
  I'm saying be confident enough to make a
• 20:15
  mistake and be able to post that.
• 20:20
  Not, not, but cause
• 20:23
  that's what real people do.
• 20:25
  Real people make mistakes and then they
• 20:26
  learn from them and then they, they do
• 20:28
  something different and that's, that's
• 20:29
  something we've tried to keep in.
• 20:30
  Like let's not edit out the mistakes.
• 20:32
  Let's not edit out, um, when things go
• 20:35
  wrong and not even like disappointment
• 20:37
  or even anger a little bit.
• 20:39
  Like if something doesn't go right, we'll
• 20:41
  tell this story, but let's keep our head
• 20:43
  cool, let's solve the problem and get
• 20:45
  through this and people
• 20:47
  just been responding to it.
• 20:48
  Yeah. And that's a good message.
• 20:49
  That's a good message for the kids even.
• 20:51
  Um, so let me ask you and let me know if
• 20:54
  this is something that you feel
• 20:55
  comfortable talking about.
• 20:57
  Um, so I noticed when I was looking at
• 20:59
  one of the new videos today that it says
• 21:01
  Matt's off-road recovery on the Jeep.
• 21:03
  And when it used to say winter or winder,
• 21:06
  I don't know how you pronounce it.
• 21:08
  Uh, what's changed?
• 21:09
  Is it just a updated?
• 21:11
  Is it so, so this is, this is nothing
• 21:14
  more than just, um, show business.
• 21:18
  Okay.
• 21:19
  So, so winter towing was
• 21:21
  the name of my towing company.
• 21:23
  It's a 40 year old.
• 21:24
  I'm the third owner.
• 21:26
  Um, when I started the YouTube channel, I
• 21:28
  didn't, I wanted to make a channel,
• 21:32
  the name, the channel, what people would
• 21:34
  be seeing, which is off-road recovery.
• 21:36
  And winter towing doesn't
• 21:37
  mean anything to people.
• 21:39
  And so I was double branded in the
• 21:42
  beginning really bad.
• 21:44
  And that it just is a headache.
• 21:46
  There's all kinds of
• 21:47
  problems with being double branded.
• 21:49
  So I made a decision to make it less
• 21:53
  confusing to people.
• 21:55
  And, um, so the, the YouTube company is
• 22:00
  Matt's off-road recovery and all
• 22:03
  the vehicles are going
• 22:03
  to be branded that way.
• 22:04
  So we don't get all those questions about
• 22:06
  what, how come it's Matt's
• 22:08
  off-road recovery and says winter towing.
• 22:09
  How come it's winter towing and calling
• 22:11
  Matt's off-road recovery.
• 22:12
  So it's simply just a logistical
• 22:15
  marketing decision to
• 22:16
  make it less confusing.
• 22:18
  Oh yeah.
• 22:19
  It makes sense.
• 22:20
  But I thought that if it was a question
• 22:22
  in my mind, it's going to be
• 22:23
  a question to somebody else's and you've
• 22:24
  probably already been, uh,
• 22:26
  barraged with questions on YouTube.
• 22:28
  Now, of course I know, uh, the, I know
• 22:31
  you and the, the, the folks that you
• 22:33
  work with, uh, from the YouTube channel,
• 22:35
  but you mentioned Facebook.
• 22:36
  Um, so do you have a
• 22:38
  big Facebook presence?
• 22:40
  Well, we, we do.
• 22:42
  Um, originally it was just
• 22:44
  winter towing's Facebook.
• 22:46
  I, I set that up.
• 22:47
  I didn't know anything
• 22:48
  and I was running it.
• 22:49
  Um, now there's a
• 22:51
  Matt's off-road recovery.
• 22:52
  We're on Facebook, Instagram.
• 22:54
  Um, I think we're even on Tik TOK now, or
• 22:56
  if not, we're going to be, I don't know.
• 22:58
  But, but, um, yeah, we're just trying to
• 23:02
  stay, stay in touch with, with the fans
• 23:05
  and our audience on all the platforms
• 23:07
  that they want to interact with us on.
• 23:09
  Now, do you, do you have a problem with,
• 23:12
  uh, I don't want to say groupies, but
• 23:14
  people kind of trying to come out and
• 23:15
  hang out with you or wanting to be out
• 23:17
  there whenever you're
• 23:17
  on a, on a call off-road?
• 23:20
  Yeah, it can be a problem sometimes.
• 23:24
  Um, a population, like if like Lake in
• 23:30
  there, we'll get followed.
• 23:32
  It can be a problem because then people
• 23:33
  crowding around and a lot of the work we
• 23:36
  do, we need space and room to do it.
• 23:38
  Um, a lot more people recognize us now,
• 23:42
  like when we're out.
• 23:43
  So I don't know if I
• 23:46
  can say it's like a prop.
• 23:48
  It makes the job a little harder.
• 23:50
  I would deal with them, be aware of.
• 23:51
  Yeah.
• 23:52
  So, uh, I got to ask you that.
• 23:55
  Yeah.
• 23:55
  And it, and it can't.
• 23:56
  Yeah.
• 23:57
  I've got to ask you the question you've
• 23:59
  probably been asked 10,000 times before
• 24:01
  or told this is what you need to do.
• 24:03
  Why do you not have a winch on the front
• 24:06
  of, uh, the, the, the big
• 24:08
  banana, the yellow banana?
• 24:10
  Oh, okay.
• 24:11
  The, that one's easy and that,
• 24:14
  and it has definitely evolved.
• 24:16
  So almost every recovery that we do
• 24:21
  that's that would be considered off-road
• 24:23
  is a rental car and almost every single
• 24:26
  one of them is they're just a few feet
• 24:32
  off of a dirt road, they're in a ditch or
• 24:34
  they're in the sand or they might be
• 24:35
  in some snow or some mud or whatever.
• 24:37
  Some of them will drive
• 24:38
  several miles down a sand road.
• 24:40
  They can't get back up, but whatever the
• 24:42
  case was, the kinetic ropes
• 24:44
  just solved the problem.
• 24:46
  They were, they were
• 24:48
  just incredibly fast.
• 24:49
  And, um, so that's what I was doing when
• 24:54
  the, when the, now that we're more in
• 24:58
  the public, like a lot more people know
• 25:01
  about us, we're starting to get a lot
• 25:04
  more jobs that are more extreme.
• 25:06
  And that's where the winch is coming.
• 25:08
  So we're using winches a lot more now.
• 25:10
  So the banana does have a winch
• 25:13
  permanently mounted to it.
• 25:14
  Now the more bear does
• 25:16
  it's got it's it's winch.
• 25:17
  Um, so, um, Rudy, he's got the root-a-con
• 25:23
  that's half done and he's still
• 25:25
  got a removable winch, but
• 25:27
  he just leaves it on too.
• 25:29
  So what we've done is just taken weight
• 25:31
  out other places and
• 25:33
  replaced that weight with the winch.
• 25:35
  So we're still, we're still like super
• 25:37
  light, super like just, we just travel
• 25:40
  fast and light and
• 25:42
  that's still working for us.
• 25:43
  Very good.
• 25:44
  Now we have the winch option.
• 25:45
  Very good.
• 25:46
  Very good.
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:46
  I was just curious.
• 25:47
  I mean, I, I have no problem with I doing
• 25:50
  things the way you want to do them.
• 25:51
  I was just curious.
• 25:52
  Right.
• 25:52
  I'd still say 90% of our work is kinetic
• 25:55
  ropes, but we get, we'll get these
• 25:58
  mountain jobs now where a
• 25:59
  winch is the only answer.
• 26:01
  Well, I mean, that's good tips for people
• 26:03
  out there that are thinking about
• 26:04
  getting a winch and you might be able to
• 26:06
  do what you need to do by, uh, this
• 26:08
  getting a kinetic
• 26:09
  rope, like what Matt does.
• 26:10
  I mean, my God, it works for him and he's
• 26:12
  making money off of it.
• 26:15
  So tell, so tell me about the other
• 26:16
  vehicle, the other want to be a banana
• 26:19
  that's a yellow and black.
• 26:21
  I almost wanted to say it was a, uh, uh,
• 26:23
  an XJ at first, but that's no XJ.
• 26:26
  Yeah.
• 26:27
  It's just a Chevrolet Corvair and I've
• 26:29
  been, I've been in the Corvair's my whole
• 26:31
  life, I've been a car guy my whole life.
• 26:33
  And when I was looking, so the
• 26:35
  XJ is just working perfectly.
• 26:37
  It's completely filling the
• 26:39
  niche that it's working in.
• 26:41
  It's not leaving me wanting anything and
• 26:43
  it's filled, but then we get into
• 26:46
  the bigger vehicles and,
• 26:48
  and I liked the XJ so much.
• 26:50
  I'm like, well, what's a big XJ and there
• 26:52
  was just nothing like a bigger XJ.
• 26:55
  And then I'm looking at the Corvair
• 26:56
  station wagon and I'm like, wow,
• 26:58
  that's a bigger XJ, the
• 26:59
  unibody it's shaped the same.
• 27:01
  It's a cool, really cool car.
• 27:04
  So all the knowledge that I had learned
• 27:06
  from building the XJ, I took all that
• 27:08
  and put into this vehicle.
• 27:10
  And of course we had to hand, hand build
• 27:12
  it, but, um, though
• 27:15
  the amount of, of hand
• 27:19
  build, just the design and ideas and
• 27:21
  artistic stuff that
• 27:22
  went into that vehicle.
• 27:24
  We are very, we are welcomed with open
• 27:26
  arms in the community.
• 27:28
  Like, like I, that thing
• 27:31
  gets ducked all the time.
• 27:32
  So.
• 27:34
  Yeah.
• 27:35
  It kind of looks like
• 27:36
  the, uh, what was it?
• 27:37
  The SJ?
• 27:38
  Yeah, seriously.
• 27:41
  Yeah.
• 27:42
  And people ask like, why the Corvair?
• 27:43
  And I said, because it's a big XJ.
• 27:45
  That's why.
• 27:45
  Yeah.
• 27:45
  They didn't make one.
• 27:46
  They should have.
• 27:47
  I mean, I was kind of hoping that they
• 27:49
  will take the commander.
• 27:50
  I was kind of hoping that would be a big
• 27:51
  XJ, but that's not the way it worked out.
• 27:54
  Yeah.
• 27:55
  So when, so when you're doing, so when
• 27:57
  you're doing your YouTube videos, um, how
• 28:00
  much do you have a video staff or do you
• 28:04
  have people that are just working the
• 28:05
  camera that do, that
• 28:06
  do other things for you?
• 28:08
  Yeah.
• 28:09
  So my crew, nobody is really doing
• 28:12
  anything they ever went to school for.
• 28:14
  Um, so.
• 28:17
  And that's one thing that's kind of
• 28:18
  unique about our YouTube channel is
• 28:20
  everybody is a character.
• 28:22
  So our cameramen are characters and
• 28:24
  you'll see the different, you know, I
• 28:27
  mean, you'll even see the kids that clean
• 28:29
  up, you know, clean
• 28:31
  the shop up and stuff.
• 28:32
  Um, my wife's on there and we kind of
• 28:34
  have, you know, we allow other
• 28:35
  YouTubers to come on.
• 28:37
  Um, a lot of YouTubers are really
• 28:38
  territorial and it doesn't make any sense
• 28:40
  to me because especially in the YouTube
• 28:43
  universe where people are, you know,
• 28:45
  if people are watching me and people are
• 28:47
  watching bleep and Jeep, why don't we,
• 28:50
  I don't, why don't we collaborate with
• 28:51
  bleep and Jeep and they, and they've
• 28:53
  been very open to it and,
• 28:55
  uh, and then benefit from it.
• 28:56
  So, so that's one thing, like, I think we
• 28:59
  have a pretty relaxed, like our, our
• 29:02
  cast, like no, like nobody's
• 29:04
  professionals that really
• 29:06
  anything that they're doing,
• 29:07
  they just interested in it.
• 29:08
  We let them come into, including our
• 29:09
  editors and our cameramen and all that.
• 29:12
  Just regular, regular people.
• 29:14
  And, and of course
• 29:16
  they're trying to be better.
• 29:17
  They're, they're really good employees
• 29:19
  and they want to do their job better.
• 29:20
  And part of their job
• 29:21
  is capturing what we do.
• 29:22
  And that's why you've kind of seen an
• 29:24
  evolution in the panel where we're
• 29:27
  filming better and people are more
• 29:28
  comfortable on camera, you know, every
• 29:29
  once in a while you'll get somebody
• 29:30
  that's like, you know, you need to change
• 29:31
  back to the way you used to be when we
• 29:33
  first started, that's when I liked you.
• 29:35
  But really it's kind of insane to think
• 29:37
  of somebody doing something for years
• 29:39
  and not getting better at it.
• 29:41
  Yeah, I agree.
• 29:41
  You know, so, so we, we definitely like,
• 29:47
  you know, we want to keep it real, but,
• 29:49
  but YouTube makes some things that
• 29:54
  wouldn't be available.
• 29:57
  Like go, we went and got Ed's, um, gold
• 30:00
  nugget out of the
• 30:01
  Sierra Nevada mountains.
• 30:02
  And that was a very expensive, time
• 30:05
  consuming, laborious thing to go do.
• 30:08
  And it would have been impossible just go
• 30:10
  do what YouTube makes
• 30:11
  it possible to go do.
• 30:13
  So that, so that's a lot of fun.
• 30:15
  And it's fun to take those opportunities
• 30:17
  and then show people and
• 30:18
  people are enjoying it.
• 30:19
  So it's a product that they want and
• 30:22
  we're able to do it.
• 30:25
  And, and it's just a good dynamic.
• 30:27
  Yeah, that's really cool.
• 30:28
  And it's giving great,
• 30:29
  a lot of opportunities.
• 30:31
  My crew got 13, 13 employees, full-time
• 30:35
  employees that are getting an
• 30:36
  opportunity to do something they're,
• 30:38
  they're not like providing for themselves
• 30:40
  and their families, but
• 30:41
  they're doing this really fun.
• 30:44
  And you know, they're,
• 30:45
  they're having to stretch and grow.
• 30:47
  And I just, I like the whole thing.
• 30:49
  I really enjoy it.
• 30:50
  I like the whole process.
• 30:52
  So I'm sure you're busy actually doing
• 30:54
  actual work, but do you ever get behind
• 30:56
  the stick for the drone so you can record
• 30:58
  some of the drone footage yourself?
• 31:00
  I own the drone.
• 31:02
  I do grab the camera from time to time.
• 31:06
  So the job that there is that I know how
• 31:10
  to do, I'll jump in and be done.
• 31:14
  I'll do it.
• 31:14
  That's why the drone.
• 31:15
  I'll take a, take a,
• 31:16
  We have much more capable pilots and
• 31:20
  really doing it professionally like this.
• 31:24
  All our drone pilots have
• 31:25
  to be licensed and certified.
• 31:27
  So there's that when you get a little
• 31:30
  higher profile like this, you've got to
• 31:32
  that, that, you know, you got the
• 31:34
  licensing and the certifications that you
• 31:37
  need to do this kind of stuff where you
• 31:40
  can film and where you can buy a drone.
• 31:41
  I thought about that after I asked the
• 31:43
  question and I thought, Oh gee,
• 31:44
  I'm going to get, get Matt in trouble.
• 31:45
  He can't say yes to this.
• 31:47
  Yeah.
• 31:49
  Well, if I could fly a
• 31:50
  drone, I'd have to get certified.
• 31:52
  Yeah.
• 31:53
  Right.
• 31:53
  Well, at least for it
• 31:54
  to be used commercially.
• 31:56
  Well, that is really cool.
• 31:57
  I really enjoy the drone footage because
• 32:00
  it's great B roll to give people
• 32:02
  an idea or at least me an idea of what
• 32:04
  the surrounding terrain looks like.
• 32:06
  I've never been to that part of the
• 32:08
  country and it is, is
• 32:09
  absolutely gorgeous.
• 32:10
  And I'm sure that has a lot to do with
• 32:13
  the interest in the YouTube videos.
• 32:15
  Cause you got wonderful background to
• 32:17
  look at almost all the time.
• 32:19
  Yeah.
• 32:19
  I'm very, I, I, I realize how fortunate I
• 32:23
  am to be doing this work in this part
• 32:25
  of the world with, I mean, we've got Zion
• 32:27
  national park there.
• 32:29
  We're in the grand canyon country.
• 32:31
  Um, we've got just, well, you've got the,
• 32:36
  the Mojave desert meets the Colorado
• 32:39
  plateau meets the Uinta basin, literally
• 32:42
  right there in hurricane.
• 32:44
  And, and so the, just the diversity of
• 32:47
  the terrain and the climates.
• 32:50
  Um, and then just all
• 32:52
  the different colors.
• 32:53
  It's, I, uh, it's not
• 32:56
  lost on me for sure.
• 32:58
  Oh, uh, you mentioned
• 32:59
  climate and that remit,
• 33:01
  me to ask you a question.
• 33:02
  Uh, several of the people on our discord
• 33:04
  server, uh, said, now when you're talking
• 33:06
  to Matt, you have to ask him how he keeps
• 33:09
  his XJ from overheating.
• 33:11
  My listeners, uh, to the show have been
• 33:13
  hearing me complain about my XJ
• 33:15
  overheating on the highway.
• 33:17
  If I drive it like 50 miles at 70 miles
• 33:20
  an hour and just, I get this heat creep
• 33:22
  and it goes up and up and up and up.
• 33:25
  And then finally I have to pull over and
• 33:26
  it takes a long time for it to cool back
• 33:28
  down.
• 33:28
  Doesn't seem like it ever
• 33:29
  wants to get back to normal.
• 33:31
  So, uh, I know that it's a different type
• 33:33
  of a weather environment, Southeast
• 33:35
  Texas, and they're in Utah, but I would
• 33:38
  imagine you get some hot days and that's
• 33:39
  one of her, I have problems with mine as
• 33:41
  you know, when it's a 90 and a hundred.
• 33:42
  I, I feel like I have tried everything.
• 33:47
  I've tried everything.
• 33:49
  They think I'm crazy.
• 33:52
  So, um, uh, I've, I've had several
• 33:58
  different systems and the one that worked
• 34:02
  the best for me, I put the stock
• 34:06
  mechanical fan, kept, I, I got a, I don't
• 34:09
  know what I was running a mission motor
• 34:11
  or I think it was a
• 34:12
  mission motor radiator.
• 34:14
  And then I was running the stock
• 34:15
  mechanical fan with no clutch and the
• 34:19
  electric fan, and then I ran, um, there's
• 34:24
  a, there's a circulation that comes
• 34:26
  straight off the head into
• 34:28
  the cold side of the pump.
• 34:30
  It's about a dime sized hole.
• 34:32
  I plugged that thing off
• 34:33
  right behind the water pump.
• 34:35
  It's super easy to do.
• 34:36
  And then I ran you when the heaters off,
• 34:40
  it's still circulating through, but
• 34:42
  it's not rejecting any heat.
• 34:43
  So then I ran a little, another heater
• 34:45
  core after the heater and put an electric
• 34:48
  fan on it and I had the vents in the hood
• 34:50
  and I was pulling fresh air from
• 34:51
  on top of the hood,
• 34:53
  um, down through that.
• 34:55
  And I could, cause we get, you know, we
• 34:57
  get 117 degrees where we're at.
• 35:00
  And so, um, pull on a
• 35:04
  trailer through the dunes.
• 35:06
  I can't keep my air conditioning on
• 35:08
  without overheating.
• 35:10
  Yeah.
• 35:10
  So, and that was super frustrating.
• 35:12
  So in this particular build that I did.
• 35:16
  And this is it, it was huge job.
• 35:18
  Like a lot of people want to know like,
• 35:20
  what parts do you need to do this?
• 35:23
  Um, this is not like, if you're asking
• 35:25
  what parts you need to do this, you're
• 35:28
  probably not qualified to do this.
• 35:31
  Right.
• 35:31
  Um, it's the tools
• 35:33
  you need, not the parts.
• 35:34
  Yeah.
• 35:35
  So I, I ended up moving the steering box
• 35:37
  to the outside of the frame.
• 35:38
  So I'm actually using a
• 35:39
  trail gear steering box.
• 35:42
  And then I, um, I've got a way bigger
• 35:46
  radiator in there now.
• 35:47
  And then I, I'm running a Chevy Silverado
• 35:52
  fan clutch and fan
• 35:54
  off the water pump now.
• 35:55
  So I had to build an adapter for that.
• 35:57
  So for the thread on and I haven't had it
• 36:01
  out very much, but I, it's
• 36:05
  running cool as a cucumber.
• 36:08
  So we had a listener, uh, that swears up
• 36:11
  and down that he has solved the problem
• 36:14
  by putting baffles in a, I think it was a
• 36:17
  two core, uh, or maybe a three core
• 36:20
  aluminum radiator and,
• 36:22
  uh, separating it up.
• 36:23
  So it requires the, the, the coolant to
• 36:25
  run through the radiator.
• 36:27
  I think like three times it goes through
• 36:29
  the top and then back across the middle
• 36:31
  and then back across the bottom and then
• 36:33
  out to the, uh, to
• 36:34
  the engine or whichever
• 36:35
  way it goes.
• 36:36
  Yeah.
• 36:36
  And on mine, mine does
• 36:38
  that mine's a double pass.
• 36:39
  Okay.
• 36:39
  Okay.
• 36:40
  So it, and I'd already ran it.
• 36:42
  That was what I ended up on the more of
• 36:44
  air that, that Corvair station wagon.
• 36:46
  So I'm running the same radiator between
• 36:48
  the two of the same steering
• 36:49
  box, the same fan, the same clutch, the
• 36:52
  everything and the more of air will
• 36:54
  drive in 117 degrees, pulling the trailer
• 36:57
  through the dunes with the AC crank.
• 36:59
  So I have no reason to believe the XJ
• 37:01
  won't now, but we're
• 37:02
  going to find out this summer.
• 37:03
  Okay.
• 37:04
  Very nice.
• 37:04
  I'm a little, I hope you
• 37:05
  got it solved and see people.
• 37:07
  I told you that the XJ had an issue.
• 37:09
  I have so many people that will say, Oh,
• 37:11
  my runs 190 max all year long.
• 37:14
  Well, good for you.
• 37:16
  It doesn't for me.
• 37:17
  Maybe in the Northern States or
• 37:19
  something, but when it gets a hundred,
• 37:21
  cause that's what I noticed like
• 37:22
  somewhere around 104, that's when
• 37:26
  keeping the XJ cool is just a fight.
• 37:30
  So I finally fixed my
• 37:32
  overheating problem.
• 37:33
  I bought a gladiator with the max tow
• 37:36
  package and now I got to need to
• 37:37
  get a trailer so I can
• 37:38
  tow my XJ to off-road parks.
• 37:42
  Nice.
• 37:43
  So, and it, and I got to put an Atlas in
• 37:46
  it and I still haven't been able to take
• 37:48
  it off road much and I've got all these
• 37:50
  fun things to do with it.
• 37:51
  And so I haven't changed the axles in it
• 37:53
  or anything like what you have.
• 37:55
  I mean, you've definitely done a lot more
• 37:56
  work on, on the, your
• 37:57
  XJ than I'll be doing
• 37:58
  on mine, but I just
• 37:59
  want to take it off road.
• 38:00
  I'm not going to be towing things.
• 38:02
  Yeah.
• 38:03
  No, they're great package.
• 38:04
  I, I still believe the XJ.
• 38:07
  I don't think there's
• 38:07
  anything else like it on the planet.
• 38:09
  You can go buy a used XJ disconnect this
• 38:12
  way bars, add a couple bucks and lift
• 38:15
  pucks and lift Springs, and you can keep
• 38:19
  up with almost anybody.
• 38:22
  Oh, it's, it's an amazing vehicle.
• 38:23
  I just got lucky.
• 38:24
  Just, I was going there to buy a Wrangler
• 38:27
  and we had two little girls and I went,
• 38:29
  look honey, it's, it's bright red.
• 38:30
  It's our favorite color.
• 38:31
  It's a four door.
• 38:32
  So the girls will be able
• 38:33
  to get in and out just fine.
• 38:34
  And of course those,
• 38:35
  those back doors are about it.
• 38:36
  That's about all
• 38:37
  that's good for his kids.
• 38:37
  Cause the way they're on there.
• 38:39
  And so we went with that and I've had it
• 38:42
  and the, we just got the, the gladiator
• 38:45
  in May, so it's been my
• 38:46
  daily driver for 23, 24 years.
• 38:49
  Yeah.
• 38:49
  My wife wants a gladiator.
• 38:52
  It's really nice.
• 38:53
  It is really nice to go shopping, but you
• 38:56
  need to up, do more YouTube
• 38:58
  videos so you can afford it.
• 39:00
  Yeah.
• 39:01
  I'm not kidding.
• 39:03
  All right.
• 39:04
  So, uh, anyway, great conversation.
• 39:06
  And I think we've kind of already gone
• 39:07
  over, uh, the social media things, but
• 39:10
  let's, uh, people are
• 39:10
  used to hearing at the end.
• 39:11
  So let's go over that again.
• 39:12
  Where can people find you?
• 39:14
  I noticed you also have a website, Matt's
• 39:16
  offroadrecovery.com and you got merch on
• 39:18
  there.
• 39:18
  Oh, I meant, I meant to mention this.
• 39:21
  You got a stinking little like Hotwheel
• 39:24
  Mattel, something or another, uh, yellow
• 39:26
  banana that you can buy off this site
• 39:29
  autograph banana Jeep.
• 39:31
  Yeah.
• 39:32
  Yeah.
• 39:32
  We had, we do have those.
• 39:33
  Where did you get that?
• 39:35
  Is that something that you had specially
• 39:36
  made or somebody approached you?
• 39:38
  Or we made a phone call to Johnny
• 39:41
  lightning and, um,
• 39:43
  they have, they already
• 39:44
  had a little yellow XJ, so I just needed
• 39:47
  to change the artwork on it.
• 39:49
  So, but there, you know, some people are
• 39:53
  a little bit shocked at the price, but
• 39:54
  you got to realize I'm not Walmart.
• 39:56
  I'm not buying a million of these.
• 39:59
  I'm buying a couple thousand at a time.
• 40:01
  Oh, this, this is a, this is one of those
• 40:03
  things where you're not buying a bunch of
• 40:05
  them.
• 40:05
  You're getting one because you're a fan
• 40:07
  of the channel, you're a fan of Matt's.
• 40:08
  Then everybody else
• 40:09
  that's involved with it.
• 40:10
  And you're getting this to
• 40:11
  have something on your wall.
• 40:12
  And if somebody walks in, especially your
• 40:14
  buddies, and this is an admit it, the
• 40:16
  majority of the modifications we put on
• 40:18
  our jeeps is to impress the buddies.
• 40:20
  So you can buy this
• 40:21
  autographed banana Jeep.
• 40:23
  And from, from Matt's towing, it's got
• 40:25
  Matt's autograph on it.
• 40:27
  Yep.
• 40:27
  And it really is my autograph.
• 40:29
  And they say, I sat down and signed every
• 40:31
  single one of those.
• 40:32
  And they say, is that from
• 40:33
  that, that YouTube channel?
• 40:34
  That is so cool.
• 40:35
  And it's worth the 50 bucks, but you guys
• 40:40
  got stickers, you've got logos, you know,
• 40:41
  you got all the good stuff.
• 40:43
  Hey, you even got recovery gear on there,
• 40:44
  which is a great idea.
• 40:46
  So check out Matt's off-road recovery,
• 40:48
  Matt's offroadrecovery.com.
• 40:50
  You know, if you add two or three more
• 40:51
  words in there, we make it even better.
• 40:54
  Just for the link.
• 40:56
  And, uh, and you're on the YouTube.
• 40:58
  Where else, where else can you find it?
• 40:59
  Matt's off-road recovery on YouTube and
• 41:00
  Matt's off-road recovery
• 41:02
  on Facebook and Instagram.
• 41:04
  That was pretty, pretty
• 41:06
  easy across the board there.
• 41:08
  And don't forget, you're going to be on
• 41:09
  the TikTok pretty soon.
• 41:10
  I think we are.
• 41:13
  But Lizzie's been trying
• 41:14
  to teach me TikTok dances.
• 41:16
  So, oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 41:18
  Think of the viewers.
• 41:20
  I hide your wives, hide your children.
• 41:24
  Well, Matt, thank you very much.
• 41:25
  I'm glad we finally got you on here.
• 41:26
  We've been trying for awhile and Chris,
• 41:28
  uh, over at sevenslats.com was able to,
• 41:31
  to make it happen between him and Jeff.
• 41:33
  And we certainly appreciate it.
• 41:35
  Uh, and, uh, we'd love to
• 41:36
  get you back on in the future.
• 41:38
  Well, I, I sure have enjoyed it.
• 41:40
  It's been, been a good time.
• 41:43
  So.
• 41:44
  Hey, thanks again to Matt for taking the
• 41:45
  time to talk about Matt's off-road
• 41:47
  recovery, Matt and his team as a model of
• 41:50
  success in our social media
• 41:52
  world.
• 41:53
  Chris is just amazing to
• 41:54
  me how well they're doing.
• 41:56
  Uh, and, and, you know, of course the,
• 41:58
  the XJ fan in me is just, uh, you know,
• 42:01
  a giddy little school girl because, uh,
• 42:03
  Matt was doing so much of this.
• 42:04
  And I think so much of his success was,
• 42:07
  uh, the, uh, the, the yellow banana,
• 42:09
  the, the, the Jeep Cherokee that he was
• 42:12
  doing all those modifications to it.
• 42:14
  Pulling so many people out of trouble.
• 42:16
  Absolutely.
• 42:17
  It's a neat, neat vehicle.
• 42:18
  Need to watch.
• 42:19
  Yeah.
• 42:19
  And now he's got a new banana.
• 42:21
  Yeah.
• 42:23
  So it'll be interesting to see, uh, him
• 42:25
  using that, uh, that larger, heavier
• 42:27
  vehicle to do, uh, some
• 42:28
  of the other towing stuff.
• 42:29
  I don't think that the
• 42:31
  XJ is going to go away.
• 42:32
  I think it's still going to be used.
• 42:33
  It just will be used in conjunction with
• 42:36
  this other vehicle, but we'll have to
• 42:38
  keep an eye on Matt's YouTube, uh,
• 42:40
  channel and see what happens.
• 42:43
  Do you have an idea for a guest?
• 42:44
  Do you work in the off-road industry or
• 42:46
  know someone who does?
• 42:47
  Maybe you would like to be a
• 42:48
  guest in the Jeep talk show.
• 42:50
  Go to Jeep talk show.com slash contact
• 42:52
  now and share your idea
• 42:53
  for our next great guest with father's
• 42:56
  day coming up this week.
• 42:57
  And Tony, I wanted to wish you and a
• 42:59
  happy father's day and a happy father's
• 43:01
  day to all the Jeep dads out there.
• 43:02
  And to those GPS that cannot drive a
• 43:04
  manual transmission, happy mother's day.
• 43:07
  Fellas.
• 43:07
  I'm reading ahead.
• 43:11
  My daughter is supposed to be teaching
• 43:13
  some guy at the Mercedes
• 43:14
  dealership, uh, how to
• 43:16
  drive a standard transmission.
• 43:17
  I think I talked about this out at the
• 43:19
  Jeep talk show, uh, off-road event.
• 43:21
  And, uh, I was like, the guy already
• 43:24
  bought the vehicle that he wanted to
• 43:26
  learn how to drive standard on and he
• 43:28
  drove it home and he may not have much
• 43:31
  clutch left, but he's already gone
• 43:34
  through the first stages of learning
• 43:35
  how to drive a manual transmission.
• 43:37
  I mean, he, he, he was
• 43:38
  gone from point A to point B.
• 43:40
  So now it's this practice.
• 43:41
  So anyway, uh, I told her, I said, I
• 43:44
  think he just probably likes you.
• 43:45
  That's the reason why he wants you to
• 43:47
  teach him how to drive a standard.
• 43:49
  No, no, no, it's not that dad.
• 43:53
  Hey, coming up next week, Cody Cameron
• 43:55
  from bridge, com systems.com.
• 43:58
  Uh, GMRS, FRS ham radio.
• 44:01
  They have it all.
• 44:02
  And Chris keep getting these guests of
• 44:05
  last names I can pronounce.
• 44:06
  I'll like that.
• 44:07
  Uh, and in two weeks, uh, speaking of
• 44:09
  pronouncing names, I, I, so for some
• 44:10
  strange reason, I can pronounce this name
• 44:12
  and watch, I probably won't do it right.
• 44:15
  And in two weeks, Tony
• 44:16
  Pellegrino of gen right.com.
• 44:20
  And you know, uh, Jen Ryan has a lot of
• 44:22
  interesting, uh, and great
• 44:24
  products for, uh, for the Jeep.
• 44:26
  And, but the thing that I talked to Tony
• 44:29
  most about was king of the hammers.
• 44:31
  Uh, and I think you guys know, I, I, I
• 44:34
  mean, I think king of
• 44:34
  hammers is just fine,
• 44:35
  but I don't really get into the, uh, the
• 44:38
  off-road vehicle racing, but, uh, Tony
• 44:40
  and I got into a conversation about all
• 44:43
  of the redundant systems and things
• 44:45
  that he has to have on his
• 44:47
  king of the hammers vehicles.
• 44:49
  And, uh, I actually talked to Tony, I
• 44:51
  think it's in the interview.
• 44:52
  Uh, I actually asked him about, uh,
• 44:54
  what's the, what's the odds that we could
• 44:56
  get, uh, maybe, uh, I could drive your,
• 44:58
  uh, uh, king of the hammers rig and we
• 45:00
  could get another king of the hammers rig
• 45:01
  for Josh to drive and we can have
• 45:03
  like a mini race and we could call it
• 45:05
  like a, uh, the red against black race.
• 45:09
  So he just laughed.
• 45:10
  So I don't know something about being a
• 45:12
  half million dollar vehicle or something
• 45:14
  and, uh, not having the proper insurance
• 45:16
  for me to drive it, but I could
• 45:18
  drive the of it, I'm sure.
• 45:20
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• 45:46
  So Chris, I was telling my daughter the
• 45:48
  other day, something about that, uh,
• 45:50
  hurts when I pee Jeep thing.
• 45:52
  And I couldn't
• 45:52
  remember exactly how it goes.
• 45:54
  I let's see if I can remember it now.
• 45:55
  So I think I got that Jeep thing.
• 45:57
  Cause it burns when I pee.
• 45:59
  That's right.
• 46:00
  Absolutely.
• 46:01
  It's close enough.