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Heba and Nadine: The Full Story · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's set the scene. It's two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 1: think Geeza Suburbs, very early morning. Most people are still asleep.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's quiet, but that quiet gets completely broken.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, five point thirty am. The phone rings at the
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  Speaker 1: home of Leyla Gufrin, the well known Moroccan artist.
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  Speaker 2: And it's her son in law Ali Heba's husband on
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  Speaker 2: the line, and he's well, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Frantic, understandably, what's he saying.
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  Speaker 2: He's basically saying he has been attacked, stabbed multiple times,
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  Speaker 2: really badly injured. She's been rushed to the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, so the family they just they raced to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital immediately.
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  Speaker 2: You can only imagine that drive, just pure fear and adrenaline,
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  Speaker 2: not knowing what they'll find.
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  Speaker 1: And when they get there.
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  Speaker 2: It's chaotic. A lot of doctors, nurses, all focused on
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  Speaker 2: the operating room. They're clearly fighting hard to save her.
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  Speaker 1: But they couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: No, despite everything they tried, he his injuries were just
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  Speaker 2: too severe. She passed away.
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  Speaker 1: Such a horrific tragedy. But as awful as that is,
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  Speaker 1: it turned out to be just the start, didn't it.
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't just one debt.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, this tragedy opened the door to a much larger,
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  Speaker 2: much darker mystery that really gripped everyone.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're going to try and piece together what
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  Speaker 1: happened the deaths of Heba and her friend Nadine. It's
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  Speaker 1: a case known for just how brutal it was and
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  Speaker 1: initially at least how confusing the motive seemed.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, while the family was dealing with a horror
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  Speaker 2: at the hospital, the police were already heading to the
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  Speaker 2: apartment where Heva had stayed the night. This was in
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  Speaker 2: shakesaid the Alna neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: They knew it was a homicide investigation at this point
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  Speaker 1: because of Heba, yes, but.
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  Speaker 2: What they found inside the apartment it escalated things dramatically.
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  Speaker 1: Heba wasn't the only victim there.
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  Speaker 2: No, they found Nadine. He was friend from college, the
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  Speaker 2: one who lived there. She was also dead on the floor.
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  Speaker 1: And the scene itself. You mentioned the brutality, What did
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  Speaker 1: they see?
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  Speaker 2: It was shocking even for seasoned investigators. Nadine, like Heba,
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  Speaker 2: had multiple stab wounds. Her throat was split too. There's
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  Speaker 2: this other detail. What was that The specific deep cut
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  Speaker 2: on her tongue very unusual and the knife what they
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  Speaker 2: later confirmed was the murder weapon was lying right there
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  Speaker 2: near her word in blood.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so two victims, extreme violence.
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  Speaker 2: The police must have initially thought this was maybe more
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  Speaker 2: than one attacker.
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  Speaker 1: That was the immediate thought. Yeah, the sheer, savagery, the
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  Speaker 1: chaos of it all, it felt like it could be
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  Speaker 1: multiple people.
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  Speaker 2: But then something didn't add up right, the motive piece exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's the paradox. They did a preliminary search of the apartment.
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  Speaker 1: You'd expect robbery, maybe, especially with.
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  Speaker 2: That level of violence, maybe a robbery gone wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But nothing was missing, gold, jewelry, cash, laptops, phones, well,
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  Speaker 1: most phones all still there untouched.
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  Speaker 2: So if it was robbery, why kill them so violently
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  Speaker 2: and then just leave everything valuable behind?
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  Speaker 1: Precisely, that just didn't fit. It made the police rethink everything.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't random, maybe it was personal but targeted.
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  Speaker 2: Why did the victims' lives give them any clues? Who
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  Speaker 2: were they?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Nadine was living there alone, essentially, her family was
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  Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia, she was in Egypt for her studies,
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  Speaker 1: and Heba Kiva had apparently had a completely normal day
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  Speaker 1: before spent time with her mother, Leila goofran, no signs
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  Speaker 1: of trouble, no arguments, no indications she felt threatened, So
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  Speaker 1: no obvious enemies or looming conflicts, not.
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  Speaker 2: That anyone knew of. Heba had called her mom that day,
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  Speaker 2: just said she was going shopping, then staying over at Nadine's, and.
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  Speaker 1: Nadine had people over earlier that evening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, some college friends. They left some time between ten
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  Speaker 2: and eleven pm. Please check neighbors, security guards. Nobody heard
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  Speaker 2: anything suspicious when the friends left or afterwards. It seems
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  Speaker 2: like the attack happened sometime after that and the quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's pivot to the forensics. This seems like where
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  Speaker 1: the case started to get some traction.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely, the physical evidence was crucial. First, how did the
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  Speaker 2: killer get in? Right?
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  Speaker 1: You said nothing was forced?
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  Speaker 2: Correct? No broken doors, no smashed windows. The only viable
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  Speaker 2: entry points seemed to be the balcony. It was the
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  Speaker 2: first floor apartment, so climbing upouldn't have been super.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult, an easy way in basically.
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  Speaker 2: Relatively yes, And inside they found something important almost immediately.
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  Speaker 1: What was that?
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  Speaker 2: A piece of men's clothing stained with blood just left behind.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's big, a potential link to the attacker.
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  Speaker 2: Huge, but then came the real breakthrough, almost unbelievable. Luck
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  Speaker 2: really go on outside right near that balcony they suspected
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  Speaker 2: was the entry point. Forensics found a single drop of
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  Speaker 2: blood on a leaf, on a leaf, seriously, seriously and crucially,
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  Speaker 2: it didn't look like it belonged to either Heba or Nadine.
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  Speaker 2: They collected it very carefully. They knew right then this
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  Speaker 2: could be the key. Fingerprints were also lifted everywhere, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And the pathology report confirmed the horror we talk about.
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  Speaker 2: It did just devastating injuries. Both women stab between fourteen
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  Speaker 2: and eighteen times, very severe wounds. Both had their throats cut.
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  Speaker 1: And Nadine's injuries were noted as worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, significantly more defensive wounds, suggesting she fought back hard.
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  Speaker 2: Plus that very specific cut on her tongue.
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  Speaker 1: Forensics matched the knife found at the scene to the.
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  Speaker 2: Wounds, confirmed it was the mirror weapon, and the blood
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  Speaker 2: analysis was critical.
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  Speaker 1: What did you show?
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  Speaker 2: Almost all the blood at the scene, on the floor,
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  Speaker 2: on the knife, on that discarded piece of clothing belonged
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  Speaker 2: to Heba and Nadine except for one other.
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  Speaker 1: Type, the third blood type.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and that third blood type matched the tiny drop
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  Speaker 2: found on the leaf outside the balcony. They had the
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  Speaker 2: killer's DNA.
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  Speaker 1: And they could tell who was attacked first.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the evidence pointed to Nadine being attacked first and
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  Speaker 2: then Heba, likely when she came to investigate the noise.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so physical evidence is pointing somewhere. But there was
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  Speaker 1: a digital angle too, right with the phones.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this came up a bit later when Nadine's father
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  Speaker 2: arrived from Saudi Arabia amidst everything else, he noticed something
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  Speaker 2: specific missing.
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  Speaker 1: What was it?
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  Speaker 2: A particular mobile phone, one Nadine kept locked away, used
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  Speaker 2: only for travel, with a Saudi SIM card in it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't her everyday.
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  Speaker 1: Phone, and Heba's main phone was gone too.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, Both her primary phone and Nadine's travel phone.
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  Speaker 1: Were missing, which raises that question. If Heba's main phone
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  Speaker 1: was stolen, how did she make that last call to
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  Speaker 1: her husband.
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  Speaker 2: Ah good point. Investigators figured she must have had a second,
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  Speaker 2: probably small or older phone, maybe stashed in her purse.
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  Speaker 1: A backup phone, essentially.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly one she managed to use in those last moments
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  Speaker 2: before before she died, and that one wasn't stolen, only
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  Speaker 2: the main presumably more valuable phones were taken.
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  Speaker 1: So the police now have the serial number for Nidine's
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  Speaker 1: stolen Sally phone. They start tracking.
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  Speaker 2: It, high stakes tracking. Yeah, they're monitoring it constantly for days. Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: The phone switched off dead air until until suddenly it
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  Speaker 2: powers on and it connects to the network using a
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  Speaker 2: new Egyptian SIM card.
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  Speaker 1: BINGO, they've got a location, or at least a user.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, the hunt is on Egyptian soil. But they
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  Speaker 2: had to be clever. They couldn't just call the number
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  Speaker 2: and spook the person using it.
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  Speaker 1: So what did they do?
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  Speaker 2: A really smart simple trap. Actually, they had investigators pose
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  Speaker 2: as a telecom.
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  Speaker 1: Company like a prize notification exactly that.
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  Speaker 2: They called the new number, told the user they'd won
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  Speaker 2: some big prize and just needed their personal details name
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  Speaker 2: ID to claim it.
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  Speaker 1: Genius didn't work perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: The person on the other end gave their details. But
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't the killer who was it. It was a
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  Speaker 2: mobile phone shop owner. He explained pretty quickly how he
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  Speaker 2: got the phone. He said a local guy, a blacksmith
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  Speaker 2: or welder named ma Mood, had traded it in a
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  Speaker 2: few days earlier. Ma Mood claimed he'd lost his own
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  Speaker 2: phone and needed a replacement.
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  Speaker 1: And the shop owner led the police right to.
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  Speaker 2: Him, led them straight to memoel Zolways workshop.
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  Speaker 1: The confrontation must have been.
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  Speaker 2: Tense, instantaneous. Really, They found Mamood there and he had
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  Speaker 2: visible injuries, cuts and scrapes on his hands, his face
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  Speaker 2: still fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Did he resist deny it?
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  Speaker 2: Didn't even get the chance? Apparently, Yeah, the moment he
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  Speaker 2: saw the police, before they even asked anything, he just confess,
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  Speaker 2: just like that.
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  Speaker 1: What did he say?
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  Speaker 2: His immediate claim was that he only meant to steal,
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  Speaker 2: He never intended to kill anyone. He was arrested on
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  Speaker 2: the spot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so he confesses to being there to the theft, but
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  Speaker 1: claims the murders weren't planned. Let's unpack his story, his planning,
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  Speaker 1: How did it link back to that initial confusion the paradox.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it turns out he knew the area about ten
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  Speaker 2: days before the murders. He'd actually been working right there
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  Speaker 2: in the Al Nada neighborhood doing what installing Irongate's security features.
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  Speaker 2: Ironically enough, so he was around observing.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing who lived where, who had money exactly?
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  Speaker 2: He noticed which home seemed well off like Nadine's family
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  Speaker 2: the cars, maybe heard about money coming from Saudi Arabia,
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  Speaker 2: he got a sense of the layout, the security or
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  Speaker 2: lack thereof.
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  Speaker 1: I he was having money problems.
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  Speaker 2: Severe financial problems. Yes, he apparently even told some friends
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  Speaker 2: he was thinking about robbing a place to get some cash,
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  Speaker 2: and they encouraged him tragically. Yes, they sort of pushed
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  Speaker 2: him towards it, so he decided to go through with it.
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  Speaker 2: He even bought a new.
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  Speaker 1: Knife beforehand, specifically for the robbery.
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  Speaker 2: He claimed it was just for intimidation to scare anyone
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  Speaker 2: if he was caught not to use it like well
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  Speaker 2: like he did.
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  Speaker 1: So the night of the crime. What was his timeline?
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  Speaker 1: According to his confession, he got.
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  Speaker 2: There quite early, around four pm, scaled a wall on
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  Speaker 2: a less secure side of the compound than hid in
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  Speaker 2: a nearby garden, just watching the apartment, watching and waiting.
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  Speaker 2: He stayed hidden until about eleven pm, after he saw
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  Speaker 2: n Theidine's friends leave. Then he made his move, climbing
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  Speaker 2: up onto that balcony and slipping inside.
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  Speaker 1: What happened then?
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  Speaker 2: He realized pretty quickly Heba and Adine were still awake
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  Speaker 2: moving around inside, so he hid again behind a curtain,
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  Speaker 2: waiting for them.
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  Speaker 1: To go to bed, and when they did, he.
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  Speaker 2: Came out, went into the kitchen. First, he managed to
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  Speaker 2: find and steal about four hundred Egyptian pounds, which is.
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot of money, right, especially considering the risk.
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  Speaker 2: No, really not much at all, maybe sixty US dollars back.
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  Speaker 2: Then to time.
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  Speaker 1: Out, so he has the cash.
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  Speaker 2: What next, He's trying to grab a laptop and the
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  Speaker 2: mobile phones when Nadine must have heard something. She came
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  Speaker 2: out and found.
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  Speaker 1: Him, and he pulled the knife, yes, he.
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  Speaker 2: Said, to scare her off, but instead of backing down,
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  Speaker 2: and Nadine apparently fought back really hard out of sheer terror.
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  Speaker 1: Probably that wasn't part of his plan, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: This sudden fierce resistance, he said, it caused him to panic,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when the violence erupted.
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  Speaker 1: He attacked Nadine, leading to those horrific injuries, the stab wounds,
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  Speaker 1: the cut tongue.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and then he beheard the commotion, rushed in to
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  Speaker 2: see what was happening.
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  Speaker 1: And he attacked her too, attacked.
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  Speaker 2: Her just as brutally. After that, he grabbed the two
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  Speaker 2: valuable phones, Nadine Saudi one. He was main one took
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  Speaker 2: off his bloody shirt and fled the way he came in,
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  Speaker 2: over the balcony.
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  Speaker 1: It's chilling how a plan for petty theft could escalate
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  Speaker 1: so horrifically.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that gap between the stated initial intense deal four
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  Speaker 2: hundred pounds and the sheer level of violence is stark.
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  Speaker 1: So with his confession, how did it line up with
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  Speaker 1: all the evidence the police had painstakingly collected.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It lined up perfectly, his detailed confession
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  Speaker 2: and later the crime re enactment he did.
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  Speaker 1: They matched everything, every.
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  Speaker 2: Single detail, the forensic reports from the lab, the pathologist's
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  Speaker 2: findings on the wounds, and the sequin the fingerprints they.
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  Speaker 1: Lifted, and critically, his DNA matched the blood.
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  Speaker 2: Matched the blood on the abandoned clothing, and matched that
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  Speaker 2: single crucial drop of blood found on the leaf by
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  Speaker 2: the balcony.
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  Speaker 1: It was air tight, so there's really no doubt it.
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  Speaker 2: Was him, no doubt whatsoever. The judicial process took time,
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  Speaker 2: as these things do, but the evidence was just overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: And the final verdict, the initial.
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  Speaker 2: Death sentence was appealed, reviewed, but ultimately upheld and it
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  Speaker 2: was carried out.
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  Speaker 1: The court made a point about the certain.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't they They did. It was quite a powerful statement.
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  Speaker 2: They emphasized that judges only speak the truth through evidence,
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  Speaker 2: and imposing a death sentence is the heaviest judgment.
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  Speaker 1: Possible, implying they wouldn't do it lightly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They explicitly stated it would never have been delivered
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  Speaker 2: or confirmed on appeal if there had been even the
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  Speaker 2: tiniest shred of doubt, any uncertainty at all about Mahmoud
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  Speaker 2: being the perpetrator. The proof had to be absolute.
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  Speaker 1: A grim end to a truly horrifying case closed by
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  Speaker 1: undeniable physical and digital evidence absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Which leaves you, the listener with something perhaps to consider.
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  Speaker 2: The stated motive was minor theft four hundred pounds, but
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  Speaker 2: think about the planning, the surveillance, the weapon bought beforehand,
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  Speaker 2: and then the sheer, explosive brutality of the actual attack.
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  Speaker 1: Does simple panic during a confrontation really explain that level.
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  Speaker 2: Of violence, or does the horrifying way it escalated reveal
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  Speaker 2: something much darker, a capacity for violence that was already there,
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  Speaker 2: just waiting for a trigger, an opportunity to be unleashed.
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  Speaker 2: Something to think about.