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Set 1: The Case Keenum Game · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Woo!
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  Speaker 2: Stu Gatz.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you, Bruce, there's a good
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  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering how the football weekend was. Were you
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  Speaker 2: able to watch it? Wow, what happened? Oh, I'm tired
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  Speaker 2: of him. I'm serious. How about that?
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  Speaker 5: In company. We are mother shuckers, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Woo!
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  Speaker 1: Bruce, does Faison Brandon's name sound like it's on backwards?
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  Speaker 2: No doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Stu, back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor has a one table revolving around last night's game.
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  Speaker 4: One table, a bit we haven't pulled out in probably
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  Speaker 4: a couple of months here. I'm looking forward to that
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  Speaker 4: very much more, mostly because I missed the imaging. What
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  Speaker 4: was the biggest story from last night's game, Mikey? Was
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  Speaker 4: it the Bears winning with Case Keenum at quarterback or
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles losing to a team that was quarterbacked by
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  Speaker 4: Case Keenum?
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's the eagles for me the eagles were
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  Speaker 6: as bad a team yesterday as i've seen all week
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  Speaker 6: and that includes the patriots who got dominated by the
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  Speaker 6: jacksonville jaguars the the philadelphia eagles looked absolutely lost on
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  Speaker 6: offense they look like their defense thought that the bears
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  Speaker 6: were just going to roll over and give them the
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  Speaker 6: game because case keenan was starting.
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  Speaker 5: Right and.
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  Speaker 6: They were like, okay, we're just going to stop the run.
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  Speaker 6: And not only did they not do it that well,
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  Speaker 6: but Case Keenum picked them apart to the point where
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  Speaker 6: at one point I looked up and they started a
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  Speaker 6: drive at the start of the fourth quarter, literally at
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  Speaker 6: the start of the fourth quarter. And by the time
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  Speaker 6: the Eagles got the ball, there was like six and
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  Speaker 6: a half, seven minutes left. And I'm like, how do
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  Speaker 6: you let Case Keenum run that drive on you from
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  Speaker 6: the 50-yard line?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: We made a big deal about Case Keenum last night.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not certain we should have been making such a
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  Speaker 4: big deal about Case Keenum last night.
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  Speaker 2: He did what a backup is supposed to do. We
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  Speaker 2: kept him afloat.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, he might be an early candidate for a
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  Speaker 4: floaty award along with Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 1: Last night when I'm watching that game, my only thought
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  Speaker 1: was there can't be 32 better quarterbacks in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: than Case Keenum because Case Keenum was out there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not certain there's 20 better quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Case Keenum was out there lighting it up, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it says more about Ben Johnson at this point
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  Speaker 1: where that's two years in a row now, Mikey, that
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  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson has stuffed Vic Fangio in a locker where
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  Speaker 1: last year you mentioned it, the Bears rushed for six
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  Speaker 1: yards a carry, 281 yards, and Fangio came into this
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  Speaker 1: one saying, We're going to dare Case Keenum to beat us.
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  Speaker 1: And Case Keenum shredded the Eagles apart. And that's why, Stu,
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  Speaker 1: that's why when we were talking about who deserves more
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  Speaker 1: credit when it comes to Caleb Williams or Ben Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: they're both responsible for this Bears turnaround. But yesterday is
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  Speaker 1: why I'm picking Ben Johnson every time, because Bears fans
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  Speaker 1: can take solace that as long as he's your offensive
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  Speaker 1: play caller, he is going to find ways to compromise
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  Speaker 1: the defense he's going against.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but it's one game for Case Keenum. There's
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  Speaker 4: a body of work with Caleb Williams. There's a reason
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  Speaker 4: Case Keenum hasn't played in a decade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a reason why Case Keenum cannot play
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  Speaker 1: since 2023 and look like he did yesterday, where that
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  Speaker 1: first drive from Ben Johnson was surgical, where five different
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  Speaker 1: receivers touched the ball, they marched right up the field,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the Eagles went into that game saying,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to walk over this team, and then right
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  Speaker 1: away from that first drive, that was the Bears kind
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  Speaker 1: of setting the tone, saying, Eagles... You have your work
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  Speaker 1: cut out for you tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Mikey, why are you shaking your head over there?
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  Speaker 6: Because I'm looking at some of these numbers in the game,
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  Speaker 6: and the Bears had 14 passing first downs. They were
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  Speaker 6: just like, we can beat you with Case Keenum, and
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  Speaker 6: the Eagles had nothing they could do about it.
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  Speaker 4: How bad did you feel for Andy Dalton, who got
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  Speaker 4: one snap, one play, threw one pass, and it was
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  Speaker 4: an interception in the end zone? Jalen Hurts came out
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  Speaker 4: of the blue tent just railing against the doctors. How
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  Speaker 4: dare you put me in that tent when we're in
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  Speaker 4: scoring position?
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  Speaker 1: Just the one thing you can't do if you're Andy
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  Speaker 1: Dalton in that situation is turn the ball over. Live
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  Speaker 1: to see another day. Kick the field goal. Nick Sirianni,
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  Speaker 1: you can make the argument that Nick Sirianni should have
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  Speaker 1: taken a timeout in that situation to give Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: more time because it seemed like Jalen Hurts was reluctant
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  Speaker 1: to go in the 10. It didn't seem like he
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  Speaker 1: necessarily needed to go into the 10, and it was
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  Speaker 1: probably going to be a quick trip after he got
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  Speaker 1: checked out there. But then ultimately, the Eagles did wind
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  Speaker 1: up needing those timeouts to even get that tush push
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  Speaker 1: off at the end of the first half.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: In regards to that, this is a product– of players
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  Speaker 6: not self-checking themselves when they get a concussion because Jalen Hurts'
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  Speaker 6: head was never hit.
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  Speaker 5: He was hit on the shoulder. He didn't bang his
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  Speaker 5: head on the floor.
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  Speaker 2: It was a bad hit.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he got hit pretty good. I mean, it
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  Speaker 6: was a good hit, but there was no sign of
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  Speaker 6: a concussion. There was no reason to think he had
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  Speaker 6: a concussion when you watch the play. The problem is,
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  Speaker 6: because players don't self-check themselves, because they don't volunteer, hey,
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  Speaker 6: I got hit in the head, I need to be checked,
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  Speaker 6: the ref has no choice but to bring you out there.
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  Speaker 5: And... I get why.
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  Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts is mad because his head wasn't hit, but
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  Speaker 6: he still needs to be checked because the refs have
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  Speaker 6: to take care of them.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying have enough awareness where, hey, I got
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  Speaker 4: hit pretty hard. I know I have to go to
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  Speaker 4: the blue tent. Let's just get it over with and
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  Speaker 4: save as much time as.
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  Speaker 2: We can, right?
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: And then maybe he's in for that play where Andy
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  Speaker 4: Dalton throws the interception in the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's an extremely worrying sign for the Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: Eagles team that Case Keenum walks in off the street
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  Speaker 1: And severely outplays Jalen Hurts where Keenum becomes only the
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  Speaker 1: second player age 38 or older to throw multiple TDs
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  Speaker 1: and rush for a TD in primetime.
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  Speaker 2: The other?
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady in 2018.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Put him on the same level.
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  Speaker 1: He also joined Ryan. It's the first time Case Keenum
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  Speaker 1: and Tom Brady have ever been mentioned in the same sentence.
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  Speaker 4: And it should be the only time that we ever
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  Speaker 4: mention those two in the same sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Case Keenum joined Ryan Fitzpatrick as the only quarterbacks to
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  Speaker 1: win starts for seven different NFL teams.
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  Speaker 2: That's a better name to associate Case Keenum with. Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm the New York Giants today and the New
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  Speaker 1: York Giants made news yesterday trading for J.J. McCarthy, I
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  Speaker 1: pull a Max Crosby Ravens Raiders deal, and I say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: guess what, guys? Sorry, we found something in J.J. McCarthy's
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  Speaker 1: medical that we didn't like. Let's send him back to Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: and let's reroute that fifth-round pick to Chicago for Case Keenum. Now,
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  Speaker 1: my worry is with Case Keenum, you lose the Ben
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  Speaker 1: Johnson factor, and now it's Matt Nagy that you're relying
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  Speaker 1: on getting the most out of Case Keenum.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, his love for Ben Johnson is unwavering. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead, Mikey.
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  Speaker 5: Hey.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Vikings, I got the X-ray on J.J. McCarthy's arm,
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  Speaker 6: and it turns out he's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: We need to back out of this.
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  Speaker 5: He came down with a case of terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I'm trying to think of the Case Keenum joke there. But, Taylor,
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  Speaker 4: let's do it this way. I understand what you're saying
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  Speaker 4: about Ben Johnson, offensive genius.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. And I'm not really down.
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  Speaker 4: To discuss who deserves most of the credit for the Bears' success.
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  Speaker 4: Both guys deserve credit for their success. but if Case
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  Speaker 4: Keenum were the quarterback for the Chicago Bears and there
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  Speaker 4: was no Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson would not be the
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  Speaker 4: head coach of the Chicago Bears.
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  Speaker 2: You're acting like he could do it with any quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and he can't.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think he could do it with any
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  Speaker 1: quarterback per se, but Ben Johnson as your offensive play
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  Speaker 1: caller is going to raise your team's ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: Agreed, yes.
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  Speaker 1: If you have a quarterback like Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking Super Bowl. If you have Ben Johnson paired
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  Speaker 1: with Case Keenum, you're talking, what, maybe like a 9-10
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  Speaker 1: win team. So there's obviously a gap there in terms
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  Speaker 1: of quarterback, but I think it's a stark contrast between
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  Speaker 1: your coaches in Philadelphia right now and your coaches in Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: where Nick Sirianni is about as CEO-style an NFL head
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  Speaker 1: coach as it could get. He's not bringing an offensive system.
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  Speaker 1: He's not bringing you a defensive system. His biggest contribution, Sirianni, is...
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  Speaker 1: for the X's and O's factor is choosing the people
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  Speaker 1: who handle the X's and O's. And if that's your
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  Speaker 1: biggest football responsibility, you have to nail those hires. And
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  Speaker 1: Sirianni now the past two years seems like he's failed
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  Speaker 1: on having the right offensive mind leading his offense.
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  Speaker 4: I think the best example, Mikey, of why Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 4: is such a great coach is not what he's done
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  Speaker 4: with Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: It's how pedestrian the Lions have been since he's left. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Just as a team.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how the offensive numbers stack up when
• 8:52
  Speaker 4: he was there as as opposed to when he left
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  Speaker 4: to go to Chicago. But Jared Goff and that team,
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  Speaker 4: they've been good. They just haven't been great when they
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  Speaker 4: were there. They were kind of Super Bowl great.
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  Speaker 2: In the hunt.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I agree with Taylor that that Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 6: raises your ceiling. Of course, Ben Johnson can can take
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  Speaker 6: any quarterback and scheme for a game or two to
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  Speaker 6: to put them in the best position to win. But
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  Speaker 6: I would question on the other side, on the Eagles side,
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  Speaker 6: if it is Nick Sirianni or Sean Mannion, their offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 6: and it's not Jalen Hurts who notoriously throws plays out
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  Speaker 6: when they try and install it.
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  Speaker 5: He goes, nope, I don't like doing this. Nope, I'm
• 9:32
  Speaker 5: not doing this. Nope, I'm not doing this. And you
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  Speaker 5: saw a lot in that game.
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  Speaker 6: I mean– Jalen Hurts is only going to throw what
• 9:40
  Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts wants to throw.
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  Speaker 5: He's only going to run the plays he wants to play.
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  Speaker 6: I was looking at third and twelves and him throwing
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  Speaker 6: four yards out because he'd rather take that short completion
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  Speaker 6: and then jog to the sideline than he would be
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  Speaker 6: trying to take a shot. The one time I saw
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  Speaker 6: him throw the ball down the field, it was fourth
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  Speaker 6: and 22. 22 and he threw it out of bounds.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They caught a break last night with Tyson Bajet
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  Speaker 2: not being available. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what he would have done.
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  Speaker 1: If he's the second string quarterback in case Keenum's the
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: third string quarterback, Tyson Bajet must be looking at himself today. Like, man,
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  Speaker 1: That could have been my Monday night football moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Case Keenum has moved up a notch in the pecking
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  Speaker 4: order in the quarterback room.
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  Speaker 2: He has a different chair now.
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  Speaker 1: I think Case Keenum is the best backup quarterback in
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: the NFL right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, stop it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he is an early candidate for a floaty,
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  Speaker 4: but best backup in the NFL?
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: The backup quarterbacks right now are having a moment in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they are because the good ones keep getting there.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many of them.
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  Speaker 1: But backup quarterbacks, I have this note. Backup quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL this year when they have to start games
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  Speaker 1: are Five and two. Marcus Mariota got a win. Jameis
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: Winston got a win. Case Keenum got a win. Carson
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Wentz got a win. Drew Locke got a win. And
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: then Cooper Rush got both losses.
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  Speaker 4: I'm almost hoping Geno Smith gets hurt.
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: Can we call Michael Penix a backup?
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I think Michael Penix would have been the starter.
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  Speaker 5: I think they wanted Tua to start this season.
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  Speaker 2: No, but he started the game, I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I think Taylor's saying if a guy, if the starting
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  Speaker 4: quarterback gets hurt during the game, the backup comes in.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: The next week when the backup is the starter.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: Because then Carson Wentz would get an extra win because
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz came in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: In relief in week one.
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  Speaker 5: So would Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 1: So would Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so you're saying they only have one win? Is
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  Speaker 2: that what we're saying?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Locke has a win.
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  Speaker 1: And Wentz has a win.
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  Speaker 2: And Keenum has a win. Does anyone have two wins?
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  Speaker 1: No, no backup quarterback has two wins.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's only week four.
• 11:42
  Speaker 6: If you're the Falcons, are you side-eyeing Drew Locke or
• 11:46
  Speaker 6: Cooper Rush right now? Like, dude, look at all these
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  Speaker 6: backup quarterbacks and look how good they made their team
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  Speaker 6: when they needed them to be.
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  Speaker 2: And you have weapons.
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  Speaker 5: Look what you did. Look what you did.
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  Speaker 2: And you have Drake London.
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  Speaker 6: And B.
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  Speaker 5: John Robinson.
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  Speaker 4: So the Bears are two and one. The Bears are
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  Speaker 4: two and one. The Eagles are two and one. The Eagles,
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  Speaker 4: their schedule is brutal coming up here. They have the
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  Speaker 4: Rams coming up who need a win. They have Jacksonville
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: coming up at Philadelphia. They have Carolina, who's a roller coaster.
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea what to expect from them. And
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  Speaker 4: then they have Dallas. So they do have a tough
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  Speaker 4: schedule coming up here. I'm not going to bail on
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts after one bad game. It was a bad game.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think you bail on Jalen Hurts just
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  Speaker 1: because you have the proof of concept. When he has
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  Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator like Kellen Moore, his ceiling is being
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Now, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: credit it to The receivers he had, the offensive line,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: the defense. Jalen Hurts was still the quarterback when the
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Eagles won the Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts could still, with
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: the right pieces around him, win the Super Bowl. But
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: this Eagles team right now could very easily be 1-2.
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like we almost shrugged that Titans game
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  Speaker 1: off in Week 2, saying, oh, it was just a
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  Speaker 1: good team having a bad afternoon. And now after that
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Bears game, it's looking more like it was a warning
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  Speaker 1: sign that we ignored because of just the logo on
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles helmet and the track record. of the people
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  Speaker 1: involved in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Mikey, you feel the same way?
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  Speaker 4: You guys seem concerned about the Eagles here, which is
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: super interesting to me. Not the Bears with the injured quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: but the Eagles who have the healthy Super Bowl champion quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Possibly because of how good they've been for so long.
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  Speaker 5: The Eagles are not passing the eye test at this point.
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  Speaker 6: They're 2-1, but I have not watched them and thought
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  Speaker 6: that's a dominant team. I thought that's a team that
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  Speaker 6: is squeaking by because they're just more talented. But at
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  Speaker 6: some point, that isn't going to keep up. I think
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  Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts has regressed as a quarterback. I think Saquon
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  Speaker 6: Barkley is still not the same guy he was two
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  Speaker 6: years ago when he was an offensive player of the year.
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  Speaker 5: I think that defense has got some holes.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, and no A.J. Brown, yes.
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  Speaker 1: When you're looking at Nick Sirianni, he got the Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Petullo hire dead wrong, and Sean Mannion's now tracking towards
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: being wrong. And this is part of the danger of
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  Speaker 1: a team like Philadelphia, where their reputation as a team
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  Speaker 1: makes you try to explain away past performances and when
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  Speaker 1: instead you'd be sounding an alarm. And at some point,
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  Speaker 1: you do have to stop giving the Eagles team credit
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  Speaker 1: for what previous Eagle teams have accomplished and start judging
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  Speaker 1: them for what they've actually done. And with this Eagles team,
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  Speaker 1: the staple for these Eagles teams with Sirianni, at least
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  Speaker 1: in the past, has been you have a defense that
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: can win you games. And now you're looking at the
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  Speaker 1: personnel that the Eagles have lost in this offseason. Jalen Phillips,
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  Speaker 1: N'Kobe Dean, Reed Blankenship. This is not a defense that
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: can win you games anymore.
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  Speaker 4: So the Bears, you guys are fine there. They're a
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: good football team. They're going to be okay. They win
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: a game with Case Keenum. They'll get Caleb Williams back eventually,
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: maybe three to four weeks. Everything's fine in Chicago.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: But you're laughing because you think he doesn't want to
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: go back to Caleb Williams.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: There might be a quarterback controversy.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Mikey, Mikey, I'm.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Not saying there's a quarterback controversy.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Are you guys out of your minds?
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: He's 38 years old.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's a reason he.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Hasn't played in a decade.
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: Case Keenum.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that initially when the Caleb Williams
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: injury news came out, Bears fans were probably like, we
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: have to speed this along. And then they get the
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: diagnosis that it's just a grade two hamstring hamstring strain
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: and not a season ending injury. And Bears fans were
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: able to take a deep breath, a sigh of relief.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: And now they're thinking, when is he coming back? When
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: is he coming back? After last night, I don't think
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: you have to rush Caleb Williams back because Case Keenum
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: looks at you. It's like the Colin Coward meme of
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Ben Simmons LeBron. Caleb Williams, Case Keenum's got it from here.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't. They play the Jets next, by the way. Wow.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: You want Keenum?
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, let's have Keenum around. This is my point on
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: Case Keenum. Mikey, you're a Jets fan. Would you rather
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: face Case Keenum or Caleb Williams?
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Case Keenum.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: No.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: It feels like a winnable game now.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: It's a Case Keenum. I was trying to go with you, Taylor.
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: And remind you, there's a good chance that Tyson Bajan
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: is going to start that game.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: No. No.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: No.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Mikey.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: He's never starting for the Bears again, right?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: The Tyson Bajan game, the ship has sailed.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: It's left the port.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Where's it going?
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Somewhere else. Maybe the Giants.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Wherever Ben sends them from.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: The Bucs. The Bucs.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: But I think this Jets-Bears game highlights how situational the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: quarterback position is in the NFL, where you have a
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: quarterback like Geno Smith last year in Vegas who He
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: looked unplayable with Pete Carroll. He comes to New York
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: and he's paired with Frank Wright. All of a sudden,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Geno Smith starts to look like that competent quarterback again
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: in Seattle. You have a quarterback like Case Keenum who
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: has not played a snap since 2023. You pair him
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson. All of a sudden, he looks like
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a competent quarterback. All I'm saying is... It matters in
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the NFL where your quarterback is playing.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: We know what you're saying. I keep saying a decade
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: on Case Keenum. It's been how long?
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: 2023.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It feels like a decade, though, right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I felt good for Case Keenum. That was a nice moment.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: He's hugging his kids, hugging the family, gets the game
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: ball afterwards.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: The team is— even Kayla Williams was cheering for him. Fake cheers.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Well, they choose.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: You sure those weren't grimaces like he stubbed his toe
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: or something?
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: In that moment, Caleb Williams was like, you know what?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: My hamstring is feeling a little better.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry you had to drag me off. Like I
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: just sustained a war injury.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: I still feel like it was a grade one strain
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: and the optics were like, listen, we're going to tell
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: everybody it was a grade two. You're going to sit
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: out an extra game because we can't have this reaction
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: to a grade one hamstring.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: So he couldn't play last night is what you're saying. Right.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: It's probably a two to three week and they're going
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: to say it's a four to six.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: We'll bring you back at four either way.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: If you do the towel thing, that's at least a week.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: If you do the car thing, you have to sit
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: for like two weeks. If you get a standing ovation
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: and a thumbs up, it's got to be like.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Three to four weeks. I'm with you. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Fair.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: All right, so he's out. So we got Case Keenum
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: for the Jets. I'm excited about that. If only we
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: had a backup.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I think you have a quarterback.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we do. He's an old quarterback.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Geno's good.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: How old is Geno, by the way?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: He's not as old as you think. He is.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Like 36, 37? 35.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: All right, so we have a 35-year-old Geno Smith taking
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: on a 38-year-old Case Keenum?
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: By the way, this is the Dan Campbell coordinators matchup.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: This is their.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: Defensive coordinator, Aaron Glenn, versus Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: And I think we're going to find out really quickly
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: which one was the better coordinator.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I think we know. I don't need to see the game.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: It's not Aaron Glenn.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: If the Jets win by four touchdowns, it's still Ben Johnson.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: What is your one table here? Let's get the imaging
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: here for a game we haven't played in a while
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: that I miss very much because I miss this.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: There's one table left at the hottest spot in town,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and everybody wants it. Who's getting it, and who's getting
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: left outside? Greatness gets seated. Everyone else waits. This is
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: one table.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So the caveat to this one is the Chicago Bears
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: win this year's Super Bowl.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So the Chicago Bears win this year's Super Bowl. We're
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: going to the hottest restaurant in Chicago. One Table. Michael
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Jordan walks in.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Or Case Keenum.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Or Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams walk in together. Because
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Chicago is a Bears town. Right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And Jordan hasn't played in Chicago in, what, like 26, 27,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: 28 years?
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Although it feels like yesterday to many.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: He'll always be a part of that town.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: To me, yes. And to, well, to many. I have
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: the pulse of Chicago, Mikey. I'm there all the time.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I talk to Bulls fans. They say to me, listen,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: it felt like yesterday. So it's Ben Johnson and Caleb
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Williams coming together.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Post-Super Bowl.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And it's just Jordan.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And it's just Jordan.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And Jordan's not with anyone. He doesn't have Pippen. He
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't have.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: No, just Jordan.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I think the Pippen-Jordan relationship's still frayed.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: How about Luke Longley? I mean, just some popular, you know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Not even Kerr.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Bill Cartwright. No one. John Paxson. I'm just naming former Bulls.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Who gets the table? Jordan gets the table.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: You're saying they won the Super Bowl this year. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: understand that. How many months removed are we from them
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: winning the Super Bowl? Are they coming in like the
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: next day?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: No, not the next day. Let's say a month out.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Wow. I feel like it's always Jordan.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So then in this situation.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Taylor, you're running the.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Restaurant, and Jordan walks in and wants a table at
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: your restaurant. And Caleb and Ben walk in, and they
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: want a table at your restaurant.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And you only have one table. Who are you giving
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: it to?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: For the long-term success and short-term of your restaurant, who
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: are you giving it to? Because Michael Jordan got kicked
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: out of a golf course once.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You know what he did? He built his own.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Built his own restaurant? Michael Jordan's steakhouse.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: He probably has one or two or three, yes.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So let me flip the question then. How many Super
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Bowls would Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson have to win
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: together to supplant Michael Jordan in the city of Chicago?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Because if you ask Chicago fans right now, Would you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: rather see a Bears Super Bowl or a Bulls championship?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: They're going to pick a Bears Super Bowl every year.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: If you asked them when Michael was playing, if you
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: could exchange all these things you're getting with Michael for
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Super Bowls, I think they would have stayed with Michael.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if they won a Super Bowl.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They didn't.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: They won in 1985.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And then they had the run in the 90s. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: think they would trade all the Bulls titles for... Two
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Wow. Hold on.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Before you add caveats to this, that's a great question.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: We'll get back to that in a second because they wouldn't.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think. Mikey, do you think? Who gets the table, Mikey?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Because maybe you're right. I have no idea.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: I have a hard time, and I don't have the
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: pulse of Chicago like you do, but I have a
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: hard time saying that Michael Jordan would ever get denied
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: a table any time in the city of Chicago.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, no matter what.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: This is almost like saying a table in Bloomington, Bobby
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: Knight and Kurt Cignetti and Fernando Mendoza walk in.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Bobby Knight gets it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Bobby Knight gets it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Jordan gets it. Jordan gets it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Does Bobby get it?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But Mikey, what if Cignetti wins another title this year?
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Or is it always Knight's team?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It's always Knight's team.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's always Knight. It's always a basketball school. It is.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care how many titles they win.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: It's always Jordanstown.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Right. That team ain't winning a title.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: You see them against Northwestern, Hoover's not good enough.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Listen, sometimes you've got to win the ugly one on
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: your way to winning the big one.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Ricardo thinks it's Jordan. He's sitting right next to me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: That's why I bring him up. He keeps shaking his head.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Taylor asked it for a reason.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I think he thinks it's Caleb and Ben.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I think he wants it to be Ben Jones.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think at a certain point, In Chicago, the scales tip.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Like if the Bears win three Super Bowls with this duo,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: then I think it becomes them being the faces of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Chicago sports.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Well, you asked how many championships. I would tell you
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the answer is six, maybe seven. Now let's go back
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: to the other question you asked. Would the Bulls, would
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Chicago fans, would they trade the six titles for two
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl victories during that same period?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, six NBA titles and the greatest athlete to
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: ever play any sport. I mean, that's what they got
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: treated to. And it would have been eight in eight years,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and it is in my personal record book, StugatzBook.com.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: He has eight. So, Mikey, what do you think here?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: This is crazy, right?
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: You have a better chance of convincing me that they
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: would trade for two Super Bowls than you would be
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: that Jordan doesn't get the table.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: How about apples for apples, though?
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: What if I told you during that stretch the Bears
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: win six Super Bowls?
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: What are we even talking about?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: They would trade the NBA titles and having Michael Jordan
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: for the six?
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: In a second, they would trade for a dynasty run
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: in football?
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Yes. I'm sorry.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: The NBA, Michael Jordan, greatest of all time, can't convince
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: me otherwise. But if you're telling me you're going to
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: have a dynasty run of six Super.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Bowls, yeah, they'll take that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, put them in New York, Jordan. Do
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you think the Jets are Giants?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Taylor, you would rather have them win six titles as
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: a Knick, right, than either of the football teams win.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I guess the Bears mean more to that city than
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the Giants or Jets mean to New York, and the
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Knicks mean everything.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: To New York.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: All right. So that's fair. I think what Mikey is
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: saying is fair. Six Super Bowls in eight years.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Because then Caleb Williams becomes the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, or whoever was.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Playing quarterback at the time. Who was the quarterback for
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: the Chicago Bears in, like, 92?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I just always assume it was McMahon.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: No, I think McMahon, well, he was 80s.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I got an update.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: I texted somebody I know who's from Chicago, flies out
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: there to go to games, and I gave him the
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: one table.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Yes. He said, no question. Ben and Caleb get the table.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Wow. Really? Over Jordan?
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: Maybe I just have zero pulse on the city of Chicago.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Forgive me.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Who's the friend you texted? I mean, you don't want.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: To name names? It's Tony. I question whether or not
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: he's from Chicago.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, if you looked at him, you'd be like, that
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: guy's from Chicago.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And his name's Tony.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: The Bears starting quarterback in the 90s?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Jim went on a deep run in the playoffs, not
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: for the Bears, for the Colts. Went to a championship game.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: So Jim Harbaugh wins six Super Bowls in eight years
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: for the Bears, and Chicago fans would rather have that
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: than the single greatest athlete of all time winning six
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: titles in eight years for the Bulls.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I hate to say it. I think you guys are right.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Michael.