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Who the heck was Joseph Warren? · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: technically committing long term suicide at the same time. That's
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Speaker 1: just called living. Yeah, life is a terminal condition for now.
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Speaker 1: But here's here's hopie medical science gives us a new
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Speaker 1: answer to that. That's also another threat with today's episode.
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Speaker 1: Today's episode, it is is about a physician, and it
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Speaker 1: is about a revolution, a little thing we call the
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Speaker 1: American Revolution here in the United States. It's probably called
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Speaker 1: like the Peasant Uprising or something in the UK. It's
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Speaker 1: so diminutive whatever. You know. They they're they're a bunch
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Speaker 1: of posh uh folks over there. They have their own perspective,
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Speaker 1: you know. On what do we always say, one side's
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Speaker 1: freedom fighters, the other side's terrorists. Well, in this situation,
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Speaker 1: the Americans were terrorists, you know, through and through one
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Speaker 1: of these terrorists a kind named Joseph Warren was a
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Speaker 1: very respected doctor of the time. This was in the
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Speaker 1: seventeen sixties to the seventeen seventies, when he was active
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Speaker 1: not only as an admired and respected physician, but also
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Speaker 1: as what his side would have called the patriots. He
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Speaker 1: was a central figure in the American Revolution. In the
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Speaker 1: title of this episode of Dr Joseph Warren Forgotten hero
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Speaker 1: of the American Revolution. And I would tend to agree,
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Speaker 1: I'd never really heard of the man. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that he was instrumental in that we absolutely
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Speaker 1: all would have heard of, and we're going to get
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Speaker 1: into that shortly. But the man himself was totally lost,
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Speaker 1: at least to my experience of history. I don't know
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Speaker 1: about you guys, but um was not like a big
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Speaker 1: red letter item you know, in history class. For me. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's weird too, because you know, here in the States,
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Speaker 1: when school children are taught about the American Revolution, you
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Speaker 1: get the same big names pretty constantly, right, George Washington,
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Speaker 1: other founding fathers, you know, of course, Paul Revere, things
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Speaker 1: like that. If you live in a part of the
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Speaker 1: country where you know one of the famous people from
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Speaker 1: your town was involved in the Revolution, you might you're
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Speaker 1: about that. But chances are if you're an average school
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Speaker 1: kids who didn't live in the area of Roxbury, Massachusetts,
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Speaker 1: you may not have heard of Joseph Warren born leven
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Speaker 1: seventeen forty one. He's the eldest of four kids. He
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Speaker 1: is actually Joseph Warren the second. His father, also Joseph Warren,
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Speaker 1: was a farmer. And from these, you know, not super
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Speaker 1: patrician means Joseph Warren the younger managed to make a
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Speaker 1: big splash in the world of academia. He went to
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Speaker 1: Harvard at the age of fourteen. He did. And this
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Speaker 1: is just I shouldn't laugh. It's obviously very sad to
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Speaker 1: lose your father. But his father was a farmer who
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Speaker 1: died after falling out of an apple tree. Um that
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Speaker 1: sounds like a setup for a joke or maybe the
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Speaker 1: punch line, I don't know, dangerous. Back then, they were like, uh,
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Speaker 1: going around giving physicists the brilliant ideas, you know, killing
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Speaker 1: young patriots fathers. You know. Um there's that whole expression
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Speaker 1: like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Well,
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Speaker 1: this dude fell out of the tree and died, and
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Speaker 1: they then inspired young Joseph to reach great heights. He
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Speaker 1: studied Latin. He was a very intelligent kid from a
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Speaker 1: very early age. Uh, And then he went on to
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Speaker 1: study to become a physician. He went on to marry
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Speaker 1: a woman named Elizabeth Houghton, which is a wonderful last
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Speaker 1: name that sounds Dutch to me, on September six, the
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Speaker 1: seventeen sixty four. And she brought quite a bit of
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Speaker 1: money to the table, which I think, in addition to obviously,
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Speaker 1: you know, being a physician, probably a pretty helpful and
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Speaker 1: in some of his future endeavors. You know, he's a
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Speaker 1: good example of like someone who inherits some money and
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Speaker 1: and does something positive with it, as opposed to just
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Speaker 1: like you know, settling back into the old hot tub. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he married up, for sure. And in the defense of
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Speaker 1: apple trees, lest they be unfairly maligned in today's show.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to say, if we're in our Law of
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Speaker 1: Order episode on the Colony, then I would say the
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Speaker 1: true villain here is gravity us so by the way,
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Speaker 1: but Law and Order American Revolution addition, I think is
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Speaker 1: a brilliant idea. And can I just mock myself briefly
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Speaker 1: for the first thing that came to mind for like
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Speaker 1: a show of of seventeen sixty four wealth was a
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Speaker 1: hot tub. I just want to point that out in
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Speaker 1: case anyone else is already thinking they had they had
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Speaker 1: hot They might not have had jaccuzy jets, but they
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Speaker 1: were aware of the restorative benefits of above room temperature water.
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Speaker 1: I like the hotu so I appreciate that. Hey, so
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Speaker 1: we got each other's backs away. You're right he married up.
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Speaker 1: He was also from an old Massachusetts family. The Warrants
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Speaker 1: have been kicking around and one generation or another for
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Speaker 1: about a century and a half at the time the
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Speaker 1: Revolution occurred, and they were kind of like they were
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Speaker 1: almost a troop in terms of demographics at the time.
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Speaker 1: They were a middle class colonial family. They farmed, but
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Speaker 1: they also had a voice in local politics, the small
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Speaker 1: town stuff. And because of this Joseph Warren was always
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Speaker 1: from you know, day one of his life thinking of
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Speaker 1: himself as a member of the colonies, as an American
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Speaker 1: rather than you know, someone who owed their allegiance to
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Speaker 1: the British crown. And we do want to at this
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Speaker 1: point shout out, of course, are good friends at Smithsonian
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Speaker 1: and our good friends at the National Library of Medicine.
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Speaker 1: There's one article called Dr Joseph Warren Leader in Medicine
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Speaker 1: Politics Revolution by George C. Wildrick. I like that name,
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Speaker 1: Mr Wildrake or doctor anyhow. So what we're saying is
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Speaker 1: this guy always felt that he was patriotic, and we
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Speaker 1: know that he put his money where his mouth or
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Speaker 1: his philosophy were. We can see that while he was
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Speaker 1: at Harvard he graduated in seventeen fifty nine, the French
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Speaker 1: and Indian War was afoot, and we know that when
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Speaker 1: he was hanging at Harvard, a lot of the people
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Speaker 1: he would meet later who are considered radicals were also
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Speaker 1: Harvard alum. Some of them may have been his cohorts.
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Speaker 1: Were talking all the hits, Sam Adams, you know, John Adams,
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Speaker 1: John Hancock, all the hits, all the John's and no
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Speaker 1: when he it's weird because when we're talking about doctors
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Speaker 1: in these times, in this era, your path to becoming
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Speaker 1: your own medical professional was a little different. He graduated
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Speaker 1: right with a top notch degree for his time, and
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Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily have what we will call a modern
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Speaker 1: residency or speciality specialization today. He got an apprenticeship. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know you could just do that. You just go
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Speaker 1: to another doctor and you're like, I got the paper,
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Speaker 1: now teach me. Yeah, man, I imagine there are you know,
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Speaker 1: slightly fewer regulations and those a bit more of a
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Speaker 1: handshake kind of situation, like you know, somebody and you
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Speaker 1: just walk up and they like the cut of your jib,
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Speaker 1: and they check out your credentials and boom, you got
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Speaker 1: yourself an apprenticeship, as opposed to having to be placed
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Speaker 1: or doing some sort of like you know, rigorously um
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Speaker 1: oversighted kind of what do you call those residencies? Right?
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Speaker 1: Things like that. It was a little bit more of
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Speaker 1: a kind of seat of the pants kind of situation
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Speaker 1: back in those days, don't you think. Yeah, things may
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Speaker 1: have been much less formal, and part of that, you know,
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Speaker 1: is a study of the evolution of medicine, both as
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Speaker 1: an industry and as a series of sciences. Look, we're
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Speaker 1: not dinging the guy for an apprenticeship. He was doing
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Speaker 1: what was very normal for a young doctor to do
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Speaker 1: at the time. And because of his apprenticeship to this
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Speaker 1: doctor James Lloyd, he was able to exercise nepotism and
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Speaker 1: social networks, which meant that he started working with the
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Speaker 1: most prominent important families in Austin. He was kind of
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Speaker 1: like the Doctor to the Stars, except in revolutionary Boston
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Speaker 1: instead of Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills also wasn't a thing, right, No,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a thing. But there, you know, there there
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Speaker 1: there were parts of Boston that you could probably uh
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Speaker 1: stay where Beverly Hills adjacent, like Cambridge and the gentry
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Speaker 1: associated with academia and all of that good stuff. But Warren,
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Speaker 1: you know, he he was more than that, you know,
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Speaker 1: he see he saw a greater purpose in what his
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Speaker 1: affluence provided. He saw that he wanted to carry out
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Speaker 1: a very important civic duty with his work, and you know,
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Speaker 1: starting public clinics, or at least working within public clinics,
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Speaker 1: and um, you know, inoculating people against smallpox and just
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Speaker 1: basically helping the people of Boston that could not help themselves,
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Speaker 1: and that did not have access to the more, you know,
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Speaker 1: bespoke kind of medical help that there was at the time.
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Speaker 1: So he was practicing medicine when he met some of
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Speaker 1: these kind of landed gentry of the Boston aristocracy you
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Speaker 1: could call them, as well as some of these more radical,
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Speaker 1: kind of underground colonial leaders who would ultimately help him
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Speaker 1: kind of blaze a trail of politics, of of revolution,
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Speaker 1: of just really really really important work that would lead
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Speaker 1: to the establishment of the United States. Essentially, even though
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Speaker 1: he maybe didn't get the credit that he was due.
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Speaker 1: Are gonna get into how important he was and or
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Speaker 1: could have been. There's a part of this episode that
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Speaker 1: honestly kind of becomes almost a fun alternative history kind
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Speaker 1: of like thought experiment, and I'm looking forward to that part,
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Speaker 1: but for now. He stayed living in Boston during a
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Speaker 1: massive smallpox epidemic that took place in seventeen sixty three.
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Speaker 1: He took care of the sick. He opened a clinic
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Speaker 1: that specifically gave out free inoculations at the Castle William
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Speaker 1: in Boston Harbor, and it was such a smashing success
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Speaker 1: that he was able to significantly reduce the smallpox deaths
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Speaker 1: that would have happened otherwise, and he kind of single
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Speaker 1: handedly led the charge in this department. His reputation became legendary,
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Speaker 1: like this is a good man. This is a man
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Speaker 1: who has empathy, who knows how to help people who
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Speaker 1: are needy, and and and knows how to organize. And
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Speaker 1: he made no differentiation between the wealthy and the poor.
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Speaker 1: And that was something that was very very attractive in
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Speaker 1: terms of, like, you know, a political leader, or in
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Speaker 1: terms of someone who there are greater things in store
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Speaker 1: for Yeah, exactly. And he also had the bedside manner
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Speaker 1: that you want in a doctor. So he's a little
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Speaker 1: bit egalitarian for the time. As he said, he also
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Speaker 1: impressed pretty much everybody in charge in Boston because he
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Speaker 1: was funny, he was witty, and he was just a
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Speaker 1: really nice guy. We know that everybody thought this because
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Speaker 1: even people who disagreed with him on fundamental political platforms
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Speaker 1: would say stuff like, now, Dr Warren and I we
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Speaker 1: don't always see eyed eye, but he's wicked kind. The
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Speaker 1: guy's he's wicked smart, and uh, you can have a
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Speaker 1: beer with him, is what I'm saying. Because of the
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Speaker 1: access his profession got, he became a known popular figure
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Speaker 1: throughout all of old Boston Town. By the way, he's
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Speaker 1: in his twenties at this point. Remember he went to
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Speaker 1: Harvard at Yes, he's the youngest doctor in Boston at
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Speaker 1: twenty two. And he is treating a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who go on to be founding fathers and two people
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Speaker 1: who go on to be president, John Adams and John
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Speaker 1: Quincy Adams. He also we're talking about political disagreements. He
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Speaker 1: also hung out with loyalists, and loyalists were the people
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Speaker 1: in the colonies who supported the king, as everybody remembers
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Speaker 1: from the play Hamilton's or History your choice. Uh, and
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Speaker 1: he can I canna give a hot take real quick.
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Speaker 1: You don't like Hamilton's not a big fan. No, I
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Speaker 1: just I don't get it. I I couldn't make it
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Speaker 1: all the way through the Disney Plus like. It's beautifully
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Speaker 1: shot and really well done. And I love musicals, I
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Speaker 1: love hip hop. I just died. It wasn't for me.
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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people. I don't know
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Speaker 1: about you, man, but one thing that happens to me is, uh,
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Speaker 1: too much hype will ruin a thing for me because
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Speaker 1: of my contrary and nature. So it could be the
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Speaker 1: best thing ever. If people were like, hey, there's this
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Speaker 1: new band out and every time you listen to one
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Speaker 1: of their songs, puppies get a new lease on life,
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Speaker 1: and that if enough people told me how great it was,
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Speaker 1: I'd still be I'd still have a skeptical approach. I'd
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Speaker 1: say that's okay, I guess you know. I mean, I slept.
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Speaker 1: I slept on the Beatles for years because of the hype,
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Speaker 1: and then I had to kind of come to it
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Speaker 1: my own, in my own way, in my own time.
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Speaker 1: And when I did, it kind of clicked for me.
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Speaker 1: So maybe it'll happen for me with Hamilton's too. But
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Speaker 1: it wasn't that I even didn't like it. I just
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Speaker 1: found myself not being compelled to finish watching it. So
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Speaker 1: it's not like I actively disliked it. I just didn't
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Speaker 1: like go back to the well, you know. So I
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Speaker 1: was just like, well, I guess it didn't didn't grab me,
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Speaker 1: So it's better if you see it live to any
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Speaker 1: any stage player, stage musical. But yeah, I've been I've
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Speaker 1: been the same way about stuff, and uh, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I wonder how I would have behaved during the times
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Speaker 1: of the American Revolution I think it would depend on
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Speaker 1: who hyped it too much. If the loyalists were hyping
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Speaker 1: Britain to me too much, I would I would say,
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Speaker 1: I think it's overrated. You know, hopefully that's what happened.
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Speaker 1: But here's what happened. Warren very much not a loyalist,
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Speaker 1: but he does have this air of civility. He treats
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Speaker 1: the children of the Royal governor, he even treats the
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Speaker 1: wife of the governor. And there is right now some
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Speaker 1: pretty i won't say air type, but pretty compelling evidence
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Speaker 1: that Dr Warren may have been spying on the British
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Speaker 1: while he was doing his medical duties. And there are
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Speaker 1: even a few historians who got kind of TMZ with it,
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Speaker 1: and they say the doctor may have been having an
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Speaker 1: affair with the wife of the Royal governor, uh, and
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Speaker 1: that through that affair or he may have had advanced
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Speaker 1: notice of British troop movements that we're gonna occur in
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Speaker 1: Conquered on April eighteen, seventeen seventy five. And this is
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Speaker 1: where we get to his role in the revolution. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't until seventeen sixty seven, with the passage of the
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Speaker 1: Townsend Act that Warren really began in earnest too kind
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Speaker 1: of I'm gonna say be radicalized, because I think that
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Speaker 1: term is so misleading, don't you been like like the
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Speaker 1: idea of like, oh he's radicalized. That implies that, like
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Speaker 1: the idea that they are accepting or or becoming, you know,
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Speaker 1: um inflamed by you know, in a positive way, is
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Speaker 1: in some way radical. But I guess maybe the term
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Speaker 1: radical maybe refers to against the status quo. It's not
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Speaker 1: necessarily like a judgment call what what do you think
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Speaker 1: then about that term radical? So yeah, radical can be
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Speaker 1: a little bit tricky in these times because it's been
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Speaker 1: used in different ways. But what I think we mean
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Speaker 1: here by radical is we mean he was saying, all right,
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Speaker 1: we don't need to make half measure legislation. We don't
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Speaker 1: need to make policies that say, well we'll pay a
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Speaker 1: little less tax to Britain, or well we'll we'll work
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Speaker 1: on a plan to maybe talk about being a little
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Speaker 1: more autonomous in ten fifteen years. That kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: They were saying, No, let's get free us being white
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Speaker 1: landowning citizens and the township acting. It's it's a big
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Speaker 1: lump together kind of catch all for a bunch of
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Speaker 1: really pedantic and kind of mean spirited flexes legal flexes
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Speaker 1: at the British imposed on the colonies. I think the
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Speaker 1: most famous, probably one was the tax on T because
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Speaker 1: what was to be America was a colony of England,
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Speaker 1: so they they had a lot of the same traditions
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Speaker 1: and a lot of the same kind of um what
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Speaker 1: do you call them, like, uh, customs I guess as
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Speaker 1: the British. So t was a big deal. So this
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Speaker 1: tax on T was a massive way of saying, well,
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Speaker 1: where your daddy and pay us tribute and if you don't,
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Speaker 1: then we're gonna come come for your for your tea time.
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Speaker 1: And of course that resulted in the Boston Tea Party.
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Speaker 1: All this stuff was Boston centric. Boston was like ground
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Speaker 1: zero for all of these revolutionary kind of talks. But yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: so this is this is when he okay, something must
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Speaker 1: be done, as you would say, Ben, and he was
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Speaker 1: going to take the power that he had as a physician,
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Speaker 1: as I guess an influencer for lack of a better
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Speaker 1: term of the time, and he was going to put
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Speaker 1: that power that he had and that reputation that he
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Speaker 1: had too really really good use, and he did just that.
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Speaker 1: He wrote a series of articles in the Boston Gazette
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Speaker 1: under a pseudonym A True Patriot, and they were critiques
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Speaker 1: of the Townshendek and they were so inflammatory for the
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Speaker 1: time that the I believe the Royal Governor was so enraged,
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Speaker 1: um and you know, we felt so attacked that he
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Speaker 1: actually tried to sue the publishers of the Boston Gazette
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Speaker 1: for libel. But the grand jury that was assembled, you know,
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Speaker 1: on the matter, refused to bring any kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: I love this. They were speaking truth to power. It's
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Speaker 1: like jury nullification the modern day. The jury said, now
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Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it. I do want to add
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Speaker 1: just this funny too. For me, when we think of radicalization,
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Speaker 1: we think of almost gutty tactics and politics and stuff like,
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Speaker 1: and then later physical tactics. So that's where he also warned,
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Speaker 1: I mean uh. He also got kind of into the
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Speaker 1: mixtape game, or it's equivalent at the time. In seventeen
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Speaker 1: seventy four, he wrote a song called Free America. It
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Speaker 1: was a poem set to a British tune the British Grenadiers.
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Speaker 1: You can read the full text online It's not quite
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Speaker 1: like a Kanye West banger today, but it definitely kept
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Speaker 1: the governor mad. So picture the royal governor saying this,
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Speaker 1: this guy called himself a true patriot. He's in for it.
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna take this on the chin. And then
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Speaker 1: war maybe he's complaining to Warred about it while he's
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Speaker 1: at an appointment with Warren, and Warren's going, yeah, that
20:17
Speaker 1: guy sounds like a real pill. You know, people gotta
20:19
Speaker 1: do their things. Also, I'm sleeping with your wife anyway.
20:22
Speaker 1: The uh, these articles, these articles are huge, right, everybody
20:27
Speaker 1: kind of knows that it's it's Warren and his friends,
20:31
Speaker 1: some of whom were Harvard alum as well, some of
20:34
Speaker 1: whom were his patients. His friends start kind of getting
20:38
Speaker 1: in a positive feedback loop of something must be done.
20:41
Speaker 1: And we're talking about people like Samuel Adams, his brother
20:44
Speaker 1: in law, James Otis, and he was down with Paul
20:47
Speaker 1: Revere because they had a Freemason connection. And this puts
20:52
Speaker 1: him right in the middle of the separatist movement. He's
20:56
Speaker 1: leading the charge on Boston massacre responses too. You know,
20:59
Speaker 1: isn't a funny been. I mean I think we we
21:01
Speaker 1: we know better from our various studies on different podcasts,
21:05
Speaker 1: specifically stuff they don't want you to know, the idea
21:07
Speaker 1: of the Freemason's being some sort of you know, shadowy
21:11
Speaker 1: cabal of like you know, world event steerers or controllers
21:16
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, guiding the course of history from
21:19
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of secret bunker. But I think
21:22
Speaker 1: what really it comes down to us, It was a
21:24
Speaker 1: brotherhood of intelligent people and a lot of times, you know,
21:28
Speaker 1: in times where being intelligent or forward thinking was not
21:31
Speaker 1: nearly the norm. So I think a lot of things
21:33
Speaker 1: spring forward from Mason Masonic connections because it was a
21:37
Speaker 1: place where these kinds of people could meet, you know,
21:39
Speaker 1: and like come up with ideas together. And yeah, some
21:41
Speaker 1: of them sure over time or maybe bad or or
21:44
Speaker 1: the idea of like you know, the super wealthy or whatever.
21:47
Speaker 1: But things like this, like this is literally what thinking
21:52
Speaker 1: groups of people should be doing. It's like thinking about
21:54
Speaker 1: how how can we rebel against the status quo that
21:57
Speaker 1: is literally trying to deprive us of like me being full,
22:00
Speaker 1: you know, way of life. I think you'll be interested,
22:02
Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians, to check out our stuff. They want
22:05
Speaker 1: you to know episodes on that and our forthcoming book
22:08
Speaker 1: coming out in October. Preorder it now so we don't
22:10
Speaker 1: get fired. But but but yeah, we we make that
22:14
Speaker 1: case to just as you said, you know, people in
22:17
Speaker 1: these Masonic movements were often forward thinking, progressive, or even
22:22
Speaker 1: considered heretical in their time. And yes, maybe they were.
22:27
Speaker 1: Maybe members of Masonic movements were participating in what could
22:30
Speaker 1: be called conspiracies, but it wasn't like run the world
22:34
Speaker 1: or get a drain of chrome from children. It was
22:37
Speaker 1: it was more um like freedom of religion kind of stuff,
22:41
Speaker 1: things that would assume sort of tame today, but very
22:45
Speaker 1: very dangerous back in their time. But yes, we do
22:48
Speaker 1: think sometimes the Masons have gotten an unfair uh, they've
22:53
Speaker 1: gotten short shrift in history. They didn't deserve it. And
22:57
Speaker 1: this is yeah, a percent, and this is something that
23:02
Speaker 1: plays a role still in the revolution. So we're gonna
23:05
Speaker 1: tell you about some of the We're a family show
23:08
Speaker 1: but there's only the only word for it, some of
23:09
Speaker 1: the badass stuff that Warren did. And then we're gonna
23:12
Speaker 1: get to the part we were talking about where we
23:16
Speaker 1: ask ourselves, how come so many people don't know about
23:20
Speaker 1: this guy. He was a leader in the revolution for
23:24
Speaker 1: a while because Sam Adams went to Philly in seventeen
23:27
Speaker 1: seventy four where he invented cream cheese and the cheese steak.
23:31
Speaker 1: Don't fact check us, uh, and he choseph If you do, though,
23:35
Speaker 1: you will find that it's completely one and twelve percent.
23:39
Speaker 1: So Warren kind of took over and kept the seat
23:44
Speaker 1: warm for Samuel Adams in Boston, and then he started
23:48
Speaker 1: doing this stuff that Britain would consider not just sedition
23:52
Speaker 1: but active terrorism, getting malicious together, figuring out and gained
23:56
Speaker 1: into the arms trade. How do we get gunpowder and
23:59
Speaker 1: how do we get fired arms. So there's a couple
24:01
Speaker 1: of months later you had Sam Adams, Samuel Adams of
24:05
Speaker 1: of of middling beer fame. I'm sure it was great
24:09
Speaker 1: at the time, but also you know revolutionary war fame,
24:12
Speaker 1: and also John Hancock. Um. They had been in Philly,
24:15
Speaker 1: like you were saying, uh, and they both came back
24:17
Speaker 1: to Massachusetts um to further the cause, only to find
24:21
Speaker 1: out that they were officially persona non grata and they
24:26
Speaker 1: had bounties placed on their heads. They were outlaws. The
24:30
Speaker 1: crown wanted them dead or alive. That's right. Yeah, here's
24:34
Speaker 1: another thing you should know about Dr Joseph Warred. He's
24:38
Speaker 1: the guy who sent Paul Revere on that famous ride.
24:42
Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, he learned that British
24:45
Speaker 1: troops were gonna cross the Charles River part of their
24:48
Speaker 1: march towards Lexington, and he said, okay, well, the main
24:52
Speaker 1: reason they're going is to to arrest Old Johnny h
24:55
Speaker 1: and Uh Samuel Adams. And then they were gonna go
24:59
Speaker 1: to Concord to get ahold of the revolutionaries munitions, like
25:04
Speaker 1: all their firearms and powder and whatnot. So he said, look,
25:08
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send here. It is one messenger by land
25:13
Speaker 1: and one by sea. And then it's around nine pm.
25:17
Speaker 1: He goes to William Dawes and he says, look, this
25:21
Speaker 1: is some mission impossible stuff. And daw says, what's mission impossible?
25:24
Speaker 1: And he says it's a film franchise that's gonna blow
25:27
Speaker 1: up later. And he goes, what's film And he goes, look,
25:29
Speaker 1: we don't have time. You need to ride through this
25:32
Speaker 1: checkpoint that British centuries are guarding. You gotta take the
25:35
Speaker 1: land route. And then he goes to Paul Revere and
25:38
Speaker 1: he says, we don't have time to talk about the
25:41
Speaker 1: mission impossible franchise. I need you to go across the
25:44
Speaker 1: Charles River and spread the word that the British are coming. Yeah,
25:47
Speaker 1: but just rest assured. That's gonna be an incredible franchise,
25:50
Speaker 1: gonna be beloved by by parents and children. Are like, um,
25:55
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Cruise literally sustains the rest of his career,
25:59
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about a new Top Gun movie. Don't
26:01
Speaker 1: know about you, guys, but it's supposed to be a
26:02
Speaker 1: real riotous um jamboree. I'm just not a top gun guy, man.
26:08
Speaker 1: I think it was the hype. I'm not really either.
26:10
Speaker 1: I don't know. Planes are cool like planes, you like
26:14
Speaker 1: fighter planes. It's like a it's like a fighter plane
26:18
Speaker 1: soap opera kind of. You know. There's romance and the skies,
26:21
Speaker 1: John Ham's in it. But they all have cool nicknames
26:24
Speaker 1: like Sparky and Chip. You know, we could give ourselves
26:27
Speaker 1: cool nicknames. We do. We do have my friend, we
26:31
Speaker 1: do actually, but but yes, MI should impossible and uh
26:36
Speaker 1: me being unfair to Top Gun his side. This is
26:39
Speaker 1: a very important story. It's just that's surprising, isn't it
26:43
Speaker 1: That Paul Revere is famous in US history? School kids
26:48
Speaker 1: learn about that the midnight Ride of Paul Revere and
26:51
Speaker 1: so on, but they don't learn about the guy who
26:55
Speaker 1: made the ride happen. Well, we're gonna kinda find out why.
27:05
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit sad. You can probably put
27:07
Speaker 1: do the do the do the history math and figure
27:10
Speaker 1: out what happens to a degree, but let's not spoil
27:12
Speaker 1: it quite yet. So next we've got these like skirmishes
27:15
Speaker 1: that are happening at Lexington and Concorde. And that actually
27:19
Speaker 1: was a bad enough situation that Warren actually left his patience. Um,
27:24
Speaker 1: you know, he he put his assistant in charge, guy
27:26
Speaker 1: named William Eustace, who I've also heard of. I don't
27:30
Speaker 1: even know anything about the guy, but I know the
27:32
Speaker 1: name William Eustace, I swear to God, I do. But
27:34
Speaker 1: he rides as well, not Eustace, but but but Warren
27:37
Speaker 1: himself rides to the battle and spends the next six
27:40
Speaker 1: weeks literally acting as a commander, you know, like a
27:44
Speaker 1: de facto commander, you know, helping the troops prepare and
27:48
Speaker 1: train and and and you know, garrisoning or any of
27:51
Speaker 1: those military terms that I only vaguely understand the meaning of.
27:55
Speaker 1: He was, in fact, then officially again this is like
27:58
Speaker 1: a sub kind of government that's being established on the fly,
28:02
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And they elected him the General in
28:05
Speaker 1: command of the Massachusetts forces. Uh. And this was by
28:09
Speaker 1: something called the Provincial Congress on the fourteenth of June
28:13
Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy five, or only one year away from
28:16
Speaker 1: the big number, right, seventeen seventy six, the one everybody knows.
28:19
Speaker 1: So he meets with something called the Committee of Safety,
28:22
Speaker 1: which sounds like really like I like like like a
28:25
Speaker 1: hall monitor kind of American revolution. That's a General Artemis
28:28
Speaker 1: Wards HQ over in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Warren then finds out
28:33
Speaker 1: that British forces have actually landed at Charlestown, and at
28:37
Speaker 1: twelve noon he rides over to the Breeds Hill Fortifications.
28:43
Speaker 1: This is where a bunch of other American forces were
28:45
Speaker 1: kind of garrison there. And then the rest of it.
28:49
Speaker 1: NPS dot Gov by the way, um does a fabulous
28:52
Speaker 1: rundown of the more legendary kind of parts of this story.
28:57
Speaker 1: That's National Park Service, by the way. Uh. And they
28:59
Speaker 1: have like a really good historical kind of brief with
29:03
Speaker 1: some kind of quick facts and important dates and stuff
29:06
Speaker 1: all about Joseph Warrens. If you want to read that.
29:09
Speaker 1: Highly recommend checking that out. But yeah, they point out
29:11
Speaker 1: that the next part of the story really is kind
29:14
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, now legendary very much. Eat your heart out,
29:19
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. We're going cinematic, so Warren like like a
29:25
Speaker 1: blockbuster Hollywood hero. Warren, when he's at Reed's Hill is
29:30
Speaker 1: asked to take command and he says, no, We're all
29:33
Speaker 1: in this together. He goes into the lines of battle
29:37
Speaker 1: as a regular volunteer. The British launched one assault, then
29:43
Speaker 1: a second, then a third, and during their final assault,
29:48
Speaker 1: Warren stands up to make his grand speech. This is
29:53
Speaker 1: like Aragon speaking to the armies and the Lord of
29:56
Speaker 1: the Rings, not this day. We don't know how his
30:01
Speaker 1: speech would have ended because he was shot directly between
30:05
Speaker 1: the eyes pretty much right when he stood up, and
30:10
Speaker 1: the people that he had rallied in those last moments
30:13
Speaker 1: where everyone you could imagine from Massachusetts Society as a
30:17
Speaker 1: National Park Service points that we're talking merchants, mechanics, laborers, farmers,
30:23
Speaker 1: both free people and enslaved people, indigenous people, and then
30:27
Speaker 1: also MPs notes quote this from their site directly, how
30:30
Speaker 1: ironic that the leader was a slave owner, So big,
30:34
Speaker 1: big speech is happening. This is where we get to
30:36
Speaker 1: the what ifrey right of history. If this guy had
30:39
Speaker 1: survived this, there's a chance he would have become president later,
30:43
Speaker 1: you know, but he he didn't, like, like, no, he didn't.
30:48
Speaker 1: He got hit square between the eyes. Yeah, by by
30:51
Speaker 1: a musket ball. Yeah. One of those sources that we
30:53
Speaker 1: were looking at um pointed out that, you know, if
30:56
Speaker 1: this guy had survived, he was had such stature in
31:00
Speaker 1: this movement that like it would have been like George
31:02
Speaker 1: Washington who or or George who? I guess they would
31:05
Speaker 1: have said they wouldn't have said who after Washington. But
31:08
Speaker 1: this guy was like the big This guy was the
31:10
Speaker 1: real deal, and he was he was looked at and
31:12
Speaker 1: it was like absolutely crushing that he was killed. And
31:14
Speaker 1: then it's sort of literally kind of rewrote the course
31:17
Speaker 1: of history. That's absolutely right, and you know, ridiculous historians.
31:21
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that Noel Max and
31:24
Speaker 1: myself are all intensely interested in those those fulcrum points,
31:29
Speaker 1: you know, those hinges upon which the path of history swings,
31:34
Speaker 1: And this is one of those hinges. And here's what
31:39
Speaker 1: we know after he died, and he died bravely he
31:42
Speaker 1: was defending his compatriots. After the battle, the British forces
31:48
Speaker 1: start burying bodies. They burry Warren in a shallow grave
31:53
Speaker 1: along with another guy, a farmer, who also died in
31:56
Speaker 1: the firefight. Fast forward ten months later, British forces evacuate
32:01
Speaker 1: Boston and the nascent Us forces exhume Warren's body from
32:07
Speaker 1: the battlefield. Paul Revere was not a full time dentist,
32:13
Speaker 1: but he he did something you could do back in
32:15
Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds. He dabbled in dentistry like it was
32:20
Speaker 1: his side hobby. Was his side gig, not his main gig.
32:23
Speaker 1: He was able to identify Warren because he had done
32:26
Speaker 1: some dental work for him earlier, so they had to
32:29
Speaker 1: use dental identification to figure out who Warren was. And
32:33
Speaker 1: then he was reburied at the Granary Burying Ground with
32:37
Speaker 1: full Masonic honors because he was like a grand master
32:40
Speaker 1: I think in masonry. But his family moved his body
32:44
Speaker 1: again in the eighteen hundreds to a Boston cathedral and
32:48
Speaker 1: then they moved him again to Forest Hills Cemetery in Jamaica,
32:52
Speaker 1: playing in eighteen fifty five, and that is where his
32:56
Speaker 1: body remains. So he was heroic, but he died in
33:01
Speaker 1: the midst of the war. He was a hero at
33:04
Speaker 1: the time at least, right, Oh, he was totally hero.
33:06
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, like, like you said, the
33:07
Speaker 1: British kind of just you know, chucked him in a
33:10
Speaker 1: shallow grave. And I think, you know, we were talking
33:13
Speaker 1: earlier about what was it that led to his legacy
33:16
Speaker 1: is kind of being cut short or or to be
33:18
Speaker 1: relegated to kind of the scrap heap of history. And
33:21
Speaker 1: I think it was just because of the he didn't
33:23
Speaker 1: exactly die a hero's death or what you would think
33:26
Speaker 1: of in terms of like the lore of a hero.
33:29
Speaker 1: I mean, he died, but that, honestly, it makes him
33:31
Speaker 1: even more compelling to me. He died the way, you know,
33:34
Speaker 1: and not to sound like Walter and the big Lebowski,
33:38
Speaker 1: but he died the way so many young men of
33:40
Speaker 1: his generation died in the muck, in the mire and
33:44
Speaker 1: the trenches, you know, next to each other. And he
33:47
Speaker 1: refused to take command. He would have been more likely
33:49
Speaker 1: to have survived if he had been like, you know, protected,
33:53
Speaker 1: but instead he was out there in the fray. And
33:55
Speaker 1: I think that is really the sign of a really
33:58
Speaker 1: powerful personality and someone who really did have, you know,
34:01
Speaker 1: a real moral center and just wanted to do right
34:05
Speaker 1: by all the people that he, you know, had under him.
34:08
Speaker 1: But he didn't really think of it that way, right, Yeah,
34:12
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. No, he was in some ways of
34:15
Speaker 1: study of contradictions. Who isn't a study in contradictions rather,
34:19
Speaker 1: But people recognized his contributions. And you know what, what's
34:28
Speaker 1: that old saying? You never get the flowers where you
34:31
Speaker 1: can still smell them? Right in New England right now,
34:35
Speaker 1: every state there has at least one town named after him.
34:39
Speaker 1: He was posthumously a hero, died young. No one knew
34:44
Speaker 1: what what could have happened had that bullet not hit
34:47
Speaker 1: him in the face. He left four children behind. Their
34:51
Speaker 1: mother had also passed away in sevent seventy three. It
34:55
Speaker 1: took an order from get this Benedict Arnold to help
35:00
Speaker 1: Congress pay for their welfare throughout childhood. That was in
35:03
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy eight. And Ben you mentioned exercise and contradictions
35:08
Speaker 1: or or studying contradictions, and you pointed out off Mike
35:11
Speaker 1: something that I just just because I've been so gushy here,
35:14
Speaker 1: I think we both have to degree. This is an
35:15
Speaker 1: interesting fellow. A lot of these these dudes were, but most,
35:20
Speaker 1: if not all of them were participated in slavery. You know, Um,
35:25
Speaker 1: they were not particularly kind to women, you know, in
35:28
Speaker 1: the way. And I know sometimes we get ragged onwards like,
35:31
Speaker 1: well it was a different job. You don't have to
35:33
Speaker 1: justify everything and all these people's actions. But we're talking
35:36
Speaker 1: about people that I think are doing great things while
35:39
Speaker 1: also doing terrible things, and it does It's like, does
35:44
Speaker 1: it negate the good things they've done. They were all
35:46
Speaker 1: participating in terrible things because those terrible things were just
35:48
Speaker 1: the norm of the time. I always have a hard
35:51
Speaker 1: time with that. So I don't know. I don't really
35:52
Speaker 1: know the answer, but I think it's important to bring up.
35:55
Speaker 1: It is. It is agree and you know, it's the
35:59
Speaker 1: ethical and just thing to do. We owe it to
36:02
Speaker 1: history to be honest about that. I would argue Joseph Warren.
36:06
Speaker 1: We know that he did by enslaved people, uh specifically
36:12
Speaker 1: from a guy selling his slave people. That guy's name
36:15
Speaker 1: was Joshua Green. We also know everything you said is true,
36:20
Speaker 1: and I'm with you on that one man. Joseph Warren's
36:24
Speaker 1: family also left behind a legacy His younger brother, John Warren,
36:29
Speaker 1: became senior surgeon of the Continental Army again at age
36:33
Speaker 1: twenty two. What am I doing in my life? And
36:36
Speaker 1: he organized the Boston Medical Society in seventeen eighty. He
36:40
Speaker 1: went on to play a big role in founding Harvard
36:43
Speaker 1: Medical School, which is around today. And it's weird because
36:48
Speaker 1: I don't know one one thing. Before we wrap up,
36:51
Speaker 1: we've got to say we're not just blowing smoke and
36:54
Speaker 1: having pipe dreams about what could have happened to this
36:58
Speaker 1: guy had he not lost his life at such a
37:00
Speaker 1: young age. Even loyalist people on the other side of
37:04
Speaker 1: the conflict said the same thing about him. A guy
37:08
Speaker 1: named Peter Oliver, a loyalist, would later go on to
37:12
Speaker 1: say that if Joseph Warren had lived, George Washington would
37:17
Speaker 1: have been little more than an obscurity, which is kind
37:22
Speaker 1: of uh, that's a lot to say. I don't know
37:25
Speaker 1: if we can at because we don't. We don't have
37:28
Speaker 1: multiverse access yet, so we don't know now yet would
37:31
Speaker 1: a war wait on that update to I haven't even
37:34
Speaker 1: seen Dr Strange to Do yet. No, I haven't either,
37:37
Speaker 1: But I really like the films of Sam Rami, and
37:39
Speaker 1: I think it will be a lot of fun. Uh
37:41
Speaker 1: even it's getting mixture of neews, but who cares. Uh, Yeah,
37:43
Speaker 1: he said he he may have become the quote Cromwell
37:46
Speaker 1: of North America. That's this Peter Oliver guy. And you know,
37:49
Speaker 1: speaking of like a mixed legacy or things that were
37:52
Speaker 1: accepted at the time. We we did a whole episode
37:54
Speaker 1: about the idea of resurrection men, and I believe it
37:58
Speaker 1: was Benjamin Franklin. You know, it was just cover with
38:00
Speaker 1: like a basement full of cadavers that were looted from
38:04
Speaker 1: from cemeteries. And that was a thing. That is something
38:07
Speaker 1: that Joseph Warren also did. Was the time, there was
38:09
Speaker 1: no other way to study the human anatomy than to
38:12
Speaker 1: do this, and it was not technically legal, but it
38:15
Speaker 1: was also understood to be a thing. There's a book
38:18
Speaker 1: called Bunker Hill, A City, a Siege, a Revolution by
38:22
Speaker 1: Nathaniel philbrick Um that talks about Warren some of his
38:25
Speaker 1: early days. Uh. He and his younger brother John the surgeon,
38:29
Speaker 1: Continental Army surgeon guy and Harvard Medical School founder. We're
38:35
Speaker 1: part or likely part of a group of Harvard students
38:40
Speaker 1: called the Spunkers. Where that one came from something different.
38:44
Speaker 1: I think it did. I think it did. It gets
38:46
Speaker 1: your mind out of the out of the gutter. They
38:48
Speaker 1: they would routinely go and rob bodies from graveyards, jails,
38:53
Speaker 1: and poor houses in order to find um specimens they
38:56
Speaker 1: could use for for medical training. Yeah, yeah, which was
38:59
Speaker 1: a which is a real thing. At the time, it
39:02
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a gray area in the
39:03
Speaker 1: eyes of the law for both Europe and the US.
39:07
Speaker 1: Do check out our episode of stuff they don't want
39:10
Speaker 1: you to know with one of the most click baity
39:11
Speaker 1: titles I ever wrote was Benjamin Franklin a serial Killer.
39:16
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Max to see if that's still lands.
39:18
Speaker 1: I think we decided to go with it. But yeah, again,
39:21
Speaker 1: this is something you have to ask yourself about so
39:24
Speaker 1: many figures in history. What would the world have been
39:28
Speaker 1: like the world today in two if things had gone
39:31
Speaker 1: just a bit different. Also, let's point out, you know,
39:34
Speaker 1: firearms of that time notoriously unreliable, So there's a good
39:38
Speaker 1: chance that he would have survived if he hadn't been
39:40
Speaker 1: hit by that one ball between the eyes. With this,
39:45
Speaker 1: I think we can't wait to hear your thoughts about
39:48
Speaker 1: other forgotten figures in history that were huge in their day,
39:51
Speaker 1: but maybe now not remembered to the extent that they
39:54
Speaker 1: perhaps deserve. I also want to thank our our super producer,
39:58
Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams. Folks you may be asking. I mean,
40:02
Speaker 1: let's be honest, old, most people tune into the show
40:04
Speaker 1: so they can hear Max rag on us every so often.
40:07
Speaker 1: And uh, Max is very conscientious dude, and earlier told us, Hey, guys,
40:12
Speaker 1: you know why I'm I'm being I'm being a little
40:15
Speaker 1: quiet on Mike. I've got this wood chipper. It's driving
40:18
Speaker 1: me crazy. So how would this episode of god Noll
40:22
Speaker 1: if Max have been able to comment if only that
40:25
Speaker 1: one errant yardsman did not need to chip wood at
40:29
Speaker 1: this exact hour or potentially dispose of a body we
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Speaker 1: don't know. We don't wood chippers contain multitudes, they do, literally,
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Speaker 1: I think you can maybe tell by the sound. I
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Speaker 1: feel like, legally be a little squish here be squish
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Speaker 1: here for sure, And no spoilers. Check out the movie
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Speaker 1: Fargo to find out for yourself. I think we can
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Speaker 1: spoil all that one, but uh, but yes, let us
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Speaker 1: As always, you're a favorite part of the show. Nol Man,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. This was a fun ride for
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Speaker 1: for both of us. I think it makes me want
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Speaker 1: to go to a museum, like a good you know,
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Speaker 1: like a good regional New England museum. That's a good point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I haven't been to one of those in a hot minute. Um,
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Speaker 1: I'm actually going to Philadelphia in a couple of weeks,
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Speaker 1: so maybe i'll be you know, in the region anyway,
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Speaker 1: so maybe I could find an inappropriately regional museum. Will
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