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  Unknown: Have I got everything in front of me Yes I think I do
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  Let's just put that in
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  Unknown: And
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  Unknown: good evening everybody Hello welcome to the show I think everything's okay Famous last words Lots of fun just here for the last hour I'll bore you all to death with that after the start of the show Paul English Live 158
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  It's the first show
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  It's the very first show of autumn How about that I think I mentioned that last week I'm very seasonally sensitive
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  Hope you've all got your trousers and your skirts on or whatever Let's have a show shall we
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  Has it been radiant where you are today? Has it? It's been radiant here.
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  I'd
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  like to bottle today and just have about 300 of them in a row. It's been that beautiful. I love the old autumnal tunnelness
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  I got all our buttons pressed. I think I have. I'm gonna press a few buttons in the shower tonight, possibly. So is Eric.
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  Well hi everyone welcome back
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  A week's a very short time in something or other isn't it It lasts about ten minutes
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  So I hope you've had a good one
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  Mine's been pretty good actually
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  and I'm still contemplating chopping down the trees I got very near to it I got very near to it today
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  but I am told that the weather tomorrow is going be even better than it is today sort of silly warm
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  and everybody I walked up and passed I sort of passed some blithe irritating comment about it and they all sort of
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  cheerily smile at me and humor me like a sadow that I am but
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  don't you think everybody
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  don't you think that because these days are kind of the tail end of it all
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  they're twice as sweet I tend to think that anyway
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  Somebody who also might think they're quite sweet is Eric Von Essex Hello Eric good evening welcome to the show What
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  Unknown: a lovely day It might go
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  wrong about Tuesday
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  We're in for some rain on Tuesday so they say maybe
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  But it's beautiful isn't it It's what they call Indian summer isn't it
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  Unknown: I believe It's something like that
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  something Yeah it is But we get one every year don't we I just think September is so You know what the other thing I just think it's the English thing It always makes me feel slightly melancholic
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  It means I get an excuse to use that word Did you study melancholia
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  at school when you were at high school
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  Unknown: No
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  Unknown: You missed out lad It was great That's what Hamlet had Hamlet had melancholia
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  times 100 Yeah he was absolutely riddled with it poor lad
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  moping
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  Unknown: around He should have changed his underpants
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  Unknown: know aching for better days you know then his uncle you know his mother shacks up with his uncle only two months after his dad's dead and everybody's oh it's dreadful dreadful those people in Denmark what they bloody like anyway yeah melancholy I remember and I just always think of England
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  sorry to get all whimsical here I don't even have my pipe actually in fact I don't have a pipe at all these days but yeah
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  I always think about autumn
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  the leaves are beginning to fall
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  my radio shed here is directly under a big sort of
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  conquetry What are they called What's the official name of a conquetry Oak tree I think Is it Chestnut It's not oak is it Chestnut
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  Unknown: Chestnut Is that what is Yes
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  Unknown: So I'm about to get showered and they literally fall on the roof and everything and then we bundle them up and then we burn them and we dance around the fire naked in the evening and in the autumn light because that's the sort of thing we do down here covered in woad howling at the moon Yeah it just puts excitement into the urban area Hello Paul good evening
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  Unknown: Good Lord
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  Unknown: I
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  thought you'd be on a bus by now what's going on It's either toilet humor
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  Unknown: or dancing
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  naked around a fire pit in the backyard No you haven't lived lad You've
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  Unknown: got to get out a bit more Paul You've got to get out I mean you are about to get out aren't you You're about to get out of the big city and everything like that It's rich coming from me really is Actually Eric I was walking along today I thought I bumped into an old friend
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  a friend's a bit loose a colleague somebody that I worked with a bit here about twenty years ago when we first moved down here and he was looking rather natty actually and he was wearing a
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  tweed dog tooth jacket which was really
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  interesting because I was wearing a black and white
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  dog tooth jacket on Friday I'll go into that in a minute but
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  anyway we had a quick chat and then we were just talking about how happy everything is over here and he said that he thought that Adolf had missed a trick in World War II
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  He said all
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  his invasion plans really required at the time was a whole
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  raft of rubber
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  dinghy and I thought he's possibly got a point I used the word raft intentionally but
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  that's exactly it right So that was quite a cheery thing
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  you know we did a show last Thursday don't you We did I can barely remember it's over a week ago isn't it I have no idea No was quite good fun
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  Unknown: moves around very quickly doesn't it Time is flying
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  As I said was it yesterday when I was having a chat I think they should have a police investigation on who stole June and July because if it goes in May
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  then very short August and then suddenly we're in September
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  I don't know what happened to June and July I think someone
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  need them I think
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  Unknown: you're moving as am I rapidly into the curmudgeon years
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  where everything disappears People
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  don't know it's a good word and I just think it's actually better than you think it might be you're yet to approach if you're a young person you know under the age of 60
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  If you're a young whippersnapper
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  it all seems a little bit odd But anyway yeah after the show last Thursday jumping around here from one topic to another
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  I was up reasonably early Friday morning
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  to go to a memorial service
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  a memorial service tricky that one
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  of a friend I used to work with back in the 1980s
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  Do you remember those That's forty years ago Bloody hell isn't it seems like
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  Unknown: ten or twenty years isn't it forty
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  Unknown: Yeah I moved down to London forty two years ago this very day Well actually not it was probably in sort of June I think of that year But
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  yeah so I think I mentioned it before was part of a pretty large company of maniacs They're all pretty intelligent bright maniacs but it was a very lively place
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  where Paul we used to strip off naked and cover our bodies in woad and hell at the moon
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  We used to do that in your office as well Blimey Yeah everyone's got to do It's a sort of an English thing Is it a small world
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  we just do it every now and again Oh come on why not Everybody else has been doing it for two thousand years let's get stuck in
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  there were people there Eric that I'd not seen for
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  forty forty five years it was forty forty five years yeah seriously it was nearly that long ago it was that long
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  and I remembered practically everybody's
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  name apart from one which is really weird because I only saw him about twenty years ago So you think I'd remember that one right
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  But it
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  was of time it was odd I felt really kind of off balance all weekend after I came back It wasn't an unpleasant experience in fact it was very funny and really rather sort of charming you know to sort of bump into people
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  and all that kind of stuff
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  I was wearing my black and white dog tooth jacket I didn't know what to wear
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  The ladies will relate to this It is
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  a terrible thing I thought what do I do What is going be the dress code Because you've not seen anybody for thirty four years you've no idea So I thought
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  well the guy's passed away and we used to play in a band there so I thought I'm gonna turn up as sharp as I can which is of course amazingly sharp
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  It turned out I was the sharpest dressed guy there and at first I thought and then I thought no this is good So everybody seemed to think that it was appropriate Yeah I just turned up I had the old
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  what's those things I can't remember what it is What's
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  the thing you put around your throat instead of a tie You wear them Oh cravat
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  Yeah I had my cravat
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  and a cigarette extension as well You got that Yeah I would have done I could do with a house extension but you're right but I never used to wear cravats in the 1980s
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  I wasn't ostentatious
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  back then like I am in my curmudgeon years
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  yeah it was good and we went to Henley right which I've never been to before you know where they have the Henley
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  boat club on the Thames
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  up in Oxfordshire
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  and it really I've never been before and we didn't go yachting or boating or anything like that but the river we're right outside at Rome like and it is ludicrously pretty I mean it's sort of like out of a postcard of a sort of medieval English town All these sort of timber framed old buildings on the opposite side of the water So it was beautiful actually
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  Not without its darkly comic moments this event as well Lots of people stood up and spoke about it He was called David and he was a bit of a curmudgeon actually when he was in his 20s I've got to just add in and good journey to you too David even though I don't know whether he's hearing this or not but you say these sorts of things and he was a bass player
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  I've got a funny little tale to tell my kid actually but he
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  he was a bit of a curmudgeonly when he was young He
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  made 69 I think he was about two or three weeks short of his seventieth
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  but that is absolutely amazing because
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  he had muscular dystrophy
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  from a very early age So when I met him he was about two three years older than me think something like that and he was already suffering from it then was walking around and doing stuff and really by all sort of rights he shouldn't have really got past forty forty five
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  So
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  yeah he was really a very tenacious guy
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  The stories about him are very funny was very determined sort of guy could get through to anybody on the telephone In fact he once had a bet to see if could get through to Margaret Thatcher This is my Margaret Thatcher was with the country and he actually went to town on it He knew someone in the company that knew somebody else who knew somebody in the Thatcher family or his dad got the phone number but the story sort of petered out there yeah he was giving it a go all that kind of stuff funny Wow
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  Yeah
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  And another incident of course I'm this is terrible of course I'm using second hand tales here aren't I But you ever he was mad into Motan
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  right So he loved all the bass lines from Motan I was into a different sort of thing but we it's not that we compromise we just made it all sort of work and we're just a bunch of blokes sort of banging around on guitars and keyboards and things like this and it was good fun And
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  you ever heard of a band called Martha Reeves and the Vandellas Yes yes I am in Motown weren't I So get this and I wasn't there for this but this is is toe curlingly brilliant I just love this He used to just pick up the phone and speak to everybody in Motown
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  all the time
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  This is sort of during the 80s and the 90s because he was just so into it and he was you know he loved his bass the actual instrument they had there's all these tales about his bass going here there and everywhere It was quite wonderful actually
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  So he managed to get through to Martha Reeves and the Vandellas and speak to Martha
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  Unknown: Good heavens
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  Unknown: At the time this company had moved up to Northamptonshire
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  the glamour spot of the universe as you can well imagine right
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  Because Northampton
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  used to be known for steel making Corby Steel Works and All Round There you remember all that kind of stuff Big Steel Works think it was kind of on the decline so they were kind of trying to recover with office stuff at the time Anyway
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  he managed to arrange for her and the Vandellas to come over and do a gig in a school hall in Northampton
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  Seriously
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  Unknown: So they come all the way from wherever they come from Wherever they came from
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  To dig in a school hall in Northampton
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  Unknown: Absolutely
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  It
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  just sounded great It sounded fantastic He just had that much sort of comfort Yeah you've got to come out He's really convincing guy when he got going Very good And he had a very sort of resonant voice very sort of commanding that kind of thing
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  used to have a few sort of difficulties about which songs we were going to play because he said no All that kind of stuff but we just took it anyway
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  And yeah they came over they went out for a meal but the tables were so small
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  that they were he was sat on one table with Martha
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  chatting away like Billio and they were getting on like a house on fire because he must have had a lot of phone calls This is after the gig right But the Vandellas couldn't sit on the same table so apparently they were about
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  five yards away something all muttering and really rather cross It's stuff they were included in it
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  not my story but it's such a good one wanted to share it So there you That's go brilliant
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  Unknown: instrument did you use to play did
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  Unknown: the voice I used to do a lot of singing and
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  I also play
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  mic'd up blues harmonica
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  used to crank that up
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  Which is why when David Adelman was on the other week and he said Oh I've got loads of harmonicas here
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  You know that's some I thought it's fellows of a certain age Anyway so there we go Well was like Larry Adelman
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  Unknown: Larry Adler used to get upset if someone called it a mouth organ
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  Yes So you see it now it's a harmonica
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  Elton John doesn't mind it being called a mouth organ does he No he doesn't
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  Unknown: know that my dad hated Larry Adler
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  I mean really hated him Couldn't stand him
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  And I don't like Larry Adler's harmonica playing either This is not to say that he's not good but that kind of fluttery that's not me
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  I don't do that That's not what I do I'm
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  an oaf from up north and I just crank it up and
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  Unknown: wail away on the thing which is a little bit more fun you know Well it was for me anyway You hear harmonic though do you In records anymore and yodeling Now the two things you don't hear harmonicas and yodeling
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  Unknown: Well you know what You might have picked on the new trend in popular music Yeah
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  You may well have done Anyway
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  was there anything else I wanted to do in terms of time Oh yeah just a quick shout out to Billy
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  who'll know who is because Billy you've emailed me a bit about cartoons and things and stuff and I've emailed you back twice on both your email addresses I think you might be catching this I hope you do And neither of them came through They kept bouncing back So it's not that I haven't seen your email and it's
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  great So there's no rush by the way because this is a sort of early next year project We're just sounding these sorts of things out because you know it's like I haven't got enough to do to be quite honest But I'm quite keen on the idea that we could do a newspaper
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  like yes awesome wells did in Citizen Kane I think it would be fun to run a newspaper so we will see but yeah
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  I think I think that's about the housekeeper oh no I haven't even said hello to everybody so look you listen to Paul English live We're here going out on WBN three twenty four Hi there you guys and gals out there all over the place We're on Global Voice Network We're of course on FFT radio
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  We're going out solidly I hope I haven't even checked yet on Rumble and YouTube had a big kerfuffle with Rumble today Eric Absolutely terrible
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  Well you know it gives you a dynamic sort of stream key
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  Yes Yeah it didn't give me one
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  Wouldn't give me one I tried four times It just said no you can't have one Wouldn't come up So we're going through on the static key So I've got to go and check and I'll do that in a minute Because if I go and look now it'll knock me off kilter Where else are we going out Probably Holy Land Radio and Eurofoak Radio and we're on YouTube as well If you want to get involved on the YouTube or Rumble side of things where there's generally a lively chat or even on FFT Radio there's a chat there Just head over to paulenglishlive.com
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  and you'll
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  find the link to Rumble and the link to YouTube and you can come in and you can type your little fingers away like Billie it'll all be great all that kind of stuff
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  So yeah I think everything's
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  okay
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  Unknown: Oh it's brilliant Yeah
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  jolly good That's good
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  Now I'm intrigued with the
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  illustration
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  for this week's show
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  Unknown: right let's do this before we bring John on John's just arrived in the studio John you can just so yeah
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  the illustration is okay so
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  I'm
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  a big fan of comic books Eric are you sorry can guess can I guess go on then I think it's probably a Roman centurion
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  very close
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  very very close indeed
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  You're very close It's actually from a strip
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  illustrated by a British artist who died way too young
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  I remember when he died I was about 15 or 16 So he was I think he was 50 or 55 It's way too young
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  it is and many of them seem to go a little bit too early I think he's all that sitting in front of desks for thirty years and something you know He
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  passed away in the summer of seventy six so it may have been a heat induced thing a combination of factors But he's a brilliant illustrator he's called Frank Bellamy
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  and he used to draw Thunderbirds
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  Unknown: in TV 21 Do you remember that Oh I remember that yes yes Oh we are brilliant That is very very good
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  Unknown: So that's that's from a strip he did I think late 50s into the early 60s
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  called Heros
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  H E R O S Heros the Spartan
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  So not a Roman but I think he is called Heros the Spartan
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  I never bothered reading these things I just like the pictures but I thought British comics were a bit lame frankly most of them in terms of stories back then So I was reading American comics because you know that's basically they were more you know you got a '22 page story whereas English stuff is two pages all over before you'd started I couldn't wait a week for another two pages used to drive me crazy For such a But he's a brilliant illustrator
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  used to draw I mean there's tons of his stuff I might dig some more stuff up in a bit but I love good illustrators you see that sort of dappling technique Of course if you're on the radio you've no idea what we're talking about We're looking at this very impressive picture I think it is anyway
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  of this face
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  you see that sort of Yeah dappling
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  yeah That was his inking technique He used to put these dots everywhere to create a sort of three-dimensional
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  feeling on stuff It's brilliant It's really really good Wonderful illustration I think
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  Unknown: there we go I'm a bit of a fan of Heath Robinson though He was an illustrator
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  Unknown: Heath Robinson or Heath Robinson Heath Robinson
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  Unknown: It could have been Keith Robinson That
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  was his dad I think Heath Robinson was brilliant with his illustrations
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  and they're still Yes going today
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  Pre English Anyway
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  Unknown: bring our guest on I've just brought him on John Hello Good evening and welcome to the show
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  Unknown: Good evening Paul Can you hear me
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  Unknown: We can hear you pretty well Can you hear him okay Eric Yeah I can hear him okay yes Lovely
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  jubbly
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  Unknown: Hello John Well hello there I've read your stuff in the past and it's
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  great stuff from the hall
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  Great to talk to you at last
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  Unknown: Oh thank you I did mention Eric of course that you genuinely
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  called Eric Von Essex and you really do come to Welcome Hall Yes independent country
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  Unknown: where we drive on the
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  right of the road instead of the left
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  only trouble is the country is only 90
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  feet long by about
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  20 foot wide
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  It's the
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  smallest country in the world unless you know differently
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  Oh
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  Unknown: gosh that's the answer to it all then Yeah
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  Unknown: John how far are you from your microphone
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  Unknown: being Am bit not nosy
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  close enough
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  Unknown: It'd be good if you could get a little bit closer Yeah get a bit more presence in the mix You're a little bit sort of distant
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  Unknown: Can I turn it up at all I don't know No you don't need to turn it up just as long as you're a couple of feet from it as opposed to two yards or something Well am It's on my lap It was on my lap but I lifted it up to be on my chest now Is that loud enough
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  Unknown: Yeah yeah that's fine That's great Yeah I can I'll fiddle around a bit Don't worry anymore I just thought we can get a bit more stuff out of you Anyway you are John Briggs aren't you John Oh are you about to blow my cover Carry on
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  called Alice and the Money Tree Revisited
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  Unknown: haven't you Indeed yes About ten years ago
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  Is it that long Yeah Holy moly seventeen I think it was It might be nine years yeah Because there's a chap I didn't realize it was that long but Mark Anderson phoned me up from America and interviewed me about this on The UK column
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  a month or two ago
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  And so
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  that's how I know it's that old I'd forgotten
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  Unknown: Wow yeah
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  Unknown: some time ago yeah but there's more and more people I think now
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  sort of on our page and understand about the swindle
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  I hope I've had something to do with it but I think it needs more than just a few thousand people reading my book I think you've got to do something much more than that
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  Unknown: So if we sort of do a little history thing here you know you were born a schoolboy and all that kind of stuff but we don't have to go that far back But I was just
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  wondering
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  when did this issue and for those of you don't know what issue we're talking about we're talking about the bankers
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  a favorite topic here
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  when did you first get alerted to it was it a big alert or was it just a gradual I'm just you know sort of like what year was it roughly don't have to tell us how old you are but I just wondered when it was Oh I can't remember exactly but probably about twenty years ago I was on a skiing holiday
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  Yeah
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  Unknown: We
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  the bloke that sort of led led us all out of the hotel the alpha male
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  His
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  wife I think it was something big in the city and his wife used to talk to me as we you know got in the queue waiting to go somewhere And she threw out you know money is really debt and it disappears when you throw it away I imagine she understood what she was talking about but whatever it is I'm so grateful to her because she woke me up to this I'm not sure and she think she probably did entirely know what the hell was going on clearly to
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  know all this stuff
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  And it intrigued me
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  And every morning I talked to her and how is it you know you pay some money and buy a house and how can this work And it was like a dog with a bone after I went home I couldn't let go of it I kept diving into it and looking at it all And when I found what was happening my bloody jaw hit the ground I thought we've got to do something about this
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  And so I didn't really do very much until
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  ten years ago I put this book together
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  and I put it together
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  Oh I don't know
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  to get penetration
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  to write it with big gaps with in between
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  with
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  with the illustrations I stole from the original Alice in Wonderland because Oh dear Well
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  I thought this is for a good cause
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  It is
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  copyright was off I thought I can't get anyone to draw as well as this I think those illustrations sold the books as much as Lewis Carroll did frankly They were beautiful
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  And I made it in hardback I made it simple so that women could write
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  read it to their children if you like to get penetration because
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  it's such a jaw dropping subject
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  the human brain can't take it in I think the lie is so big and so fast to swindle
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  Unknown: Yes
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  Unknown: Look tell you what I've got a
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  letter from a chap
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  I've got it here to read to you to
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  explain this extraordinary thing that
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  you can't
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  if I can find it I dug it up I think it might be
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  yeah
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  here it is now here's a chap and he said I've just read your excellent book and he came back and he bought another 10 This is what he said Now this bloke is a front player
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  in the finance industry
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  and these blokes like
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  they are oh gosh you know they are
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  Unknown: They're sharp as razors Absolutely Yeah
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  they are They're very bright people are You
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  Unknown: listen to this play I mean he was a real frontline player He did everything I graduated with a first class degree in business studies in 1992
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  I studied economics and finance at SCORE and college
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  Investments also Morgan Stanley 1995
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  I resigned and
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  he goes on all these people
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  he worked for he said not once was I told he knew there was something wrong and he was uncomfortable about it and he got out he said not once what I mean he worked for
• 27:54
  quite a few years What is it seven He was studying he was in college for seven years
• 28:00
  and
• 28:01
  then he
• 28:05
  got out and he said not once was he ever told how money worked He knew there's something wrong about it
• 28:11
  It's not extraordinary
• 28:13
  I
• 28:14
  mean this is our problem It's getting people
• 28:17
  to
• 28:18
  understand this fraud And I think it was Henry Ford who said if everybody knew about it it'd be a revolution tomorrow morning
• 28:24
  But it's such a simple thing They haven't got any money They've got a handful of money and they make a sack full of paper to represent it
• 28:31
  And they learn virtually
• 28:33
  nothing get paid back two or three times over with real value It's just a swindle
• 28:39
  And they
• 28:40
  Unknown: Do you think There's no other way I agree with you John Eric what do you think Do you think it's a swindle What do you think
• 28:48
  Unknown: No they're all honest these people in the bank aren't they You go into the bank and they give you your money and
• 28:54
  don't smell something Cats dogs think it's bovine excrement
• 28:59
  Unknown: But I most mean of the people just like with this guy that you're talking about John
• 29:04
  and I came across this almost immediately
• 29:06
  when the penny had been hammered in my head about nineteen ninety four-ninety five this sort of thing
• 29:13
  The people are actually involved in that line of work who are very good at it are
• 29:19
  still ignorant
• 29:20
  or unaware of the actual foundational engineering of the whole system They're just very good
• 29:26
  at managing the game to their benefit or the benefit of their employers or whatever it may be They're brilliant at this sort of stuff if you think you can be brilliant at a thing which is based on a swindle I mean I basically don't think you can be It's like being fantastic at doing something really really terrible but you don't know it's terrible because you see you're told of all these benefits and things like this yeah
• 29:49
  Unknown: I mean the
• 29:51
  thing about it is nobody
• 29:53
  can talk about it
• 29:54
  Nobody
• 29:55
  gets in
• 29:57
  scolds
• 29:59
  and you can't get anybody in authority to talk about it The problem with money or the
• 30:04
  thing about money
• 30:05
  you first I think need to everyone
• 30:08
  needs to take in is it comes with control
• 30:11
  You can't you've got to have money
• 30:14
  to put a roof over your head or to eat So you cannot live without money
• 30:18
  and whoever supplies you with your money you can't fall out with them If you go to work you can argue with anyone you like You argue with a boss and you're out of a job your money ends
• 30:27
  If you write a newspaper
• 30:29
  or know or
• 30:31
  know or on the television if you give an opinion that
• 30:34
  the boss doesn't agree with you're unemployed
• 30:37
  So with money comes control
• 30:41
  And
• 30:42
  this is the case for their success in enslaving the whole of humanity
• 30:48
  control every sort of area of information anywhere Nobody's allowed to talk about it
• 30:53
  do and we are beginning to and more and more people are now I think I was asked to get every because
• 31:00
  we never get anywhere politically because nobody if anybody tries to talk about this in the House of Commons
• 31:07
  mean people have tried to in the past but
• 31:09
  they don't get very far
• 31:12
  Unknown: can't talk about it John because they don't even know what sentences to use I'm not trying to be ridiculous
• 31:18
  I think it's true don't
• 31:21
  understand how to address
• 31:23
  how to even ask a question about it because they're all blindsided
• 31:27
  Unknown: as well It is literally a case of the blind leading the blind into a pit Plus the fact there's a bloke sitting there I don't know who's with the speaker but he sits in both houses of Parliament I'm sure you know this with a wig on his head and he's called the Remembrancer that he represents Very chilling title that isn't it The Remembrancer
• 31:46
  Reminding everybody not to bring this subject up
• 31:50
  Unknown: Is that one of his jobs No you can't talk about that the right hon Member
• 31:55
  keep
• 31:56
  your trap shut All right Okay I didn't know that I knew he was remembering certain things and reminding them of certain things
• 32:03
  but they wouldn't even know how to talk about it in the first place
• 32:07
  mean it's
• 32:08
  Unknown: bizarre The ones at the very top clearly must
• 32:14
  those at the top that do something about it it's very very bad for their health
• 32:18
  You've just got to look at quite a few American
• 32:21
  presidents from John Kennedy
• 32:24
  who issued an
• 32:25
  executive
• 32:26
  order just before he died that the next tranche of money would not be borrowed from the Federal Reserve which is I don't know a
• 32:34
  dozen private banks nothing to do with the government
• 32:37
  It was going to be issued by the Treasury debt free Got a bullet in the back of the head one hundred years earlier
• 32:43
  there was Abraham Lincoln who was having to borrow money because he was a bad risk suppose He could have lost that war
• 32:49
  And he
• 32:50
  understood what we're talking about printed his own money that was the I mean you know this it was the greenback before that was the silver dollar it didn't say if you look at a greenback like the Bradbury pound it doesn't say I promised to pay a pound or a dollar It says it is a dollar and a pound and it was money and it didn't bear interest
• 33:08
  I
• 33:09
  think there's another at least two or three other American presidents have come to the same
• 33:16
  fate
• 33:17
  early retirement for the same reason
• 33:19
  Yeah Is that the best way of putting it I think you're right Absolutely Anyone in power that stands against this and these Muslim countries know what
• 33:27
  we think about those but they don't do usually They've got a different sort of system somehow they get around it But this is why they keep getting invaded And if anybody stands against this they get invaded and murdered for very short order like Colonel Jafee or
• 33:54
  Unknown: they do a sort of variant of the co op
• 33:57
  They're
• 33:58
  basically and there's nothing know it's the one aspect of what they do I remember even saying that going well that's right you just know that it's fundamentally right It's absolutely or it's sounder
• 34:08
  Now that was twenty odd years ago I remember hooking up with a guy called Chris Cook
• 34:13
  who was ex DTI
• 34:15
  DTI has disappeared but the DTI at the time in the 90s was the Department of Trade and Industry He's probably been replaced by some other ABC doodad right But he was great He used to run an oil boss He worked at the DTI
• 34:27
  I used to meet up with him
• 34:29
  and many others down at
• 34:31
  Friends House the big Quaker House on
• 34:35
  Houston Road just opposite Houston Railway Station It was beautiful then They've sort of refurbished it now and turned it into a sort of like a cinema or something It's horrible But back then it had all the old furniture that had been put in 1923
• 34:46
  I mean really it was just a grand old building was wonderful
• 34:52
  He went into the whole thing I remember him he was studying Islamic finance and written some really good papers on it He came out with some really interesting ideas about how you can basically apply your assets But the thing I've noticed this is just me personally once you get drawn into that world of structuring plans and systems and all this other stuff you're in their world This is what they're brilliant at know and then the law comes into your space and if they can't get you with that then they get you like you rightly said with a bullet or whatever is the preferred means of the day to actually
• 35:23
  you know basically impair you slowly weigh you down so that you have to give up and go away because you're going to lose your mind
• 35:30
  over the whole thing
• 35:33
  It's like evil
• 35:34
  basically It's a good way to describe it I think it's just evil you know what they do Absolutely It
• 35:40
  Unknown: is It's just a ghastly
• 35:44
  swindle
• 35:46
  There's three terrible things it does to humanity The first one is you get massive inflation
• 35:52
  and
• 35:53
  all the governments instead of dealing with a real problem they just got this mantra for growth
• 35:59
  Because the only way they can find the extra money
• 36:02
  to pay back the money that wasn't loaned to them two or three times over with real money is to keep expanding the economy and all the misery that that brings So they all chant growth
• 36:13
  And Yeah
• 36:15
  they do do that a bit don't they Yeah all of them whatever party they all say the same thing So
• 36:22
  Unknown: John how tall are you
• 36:26
  Unknown: I used to be five'ten and a half but I think once you achieve old geyser you lose an inch or so Yeah it's called the compression rate isn't it
• 36:34
  Unknown: We've all got that to look forward to But when you hit about when you were 25 and you were five'ten and a half right That's probably peak growth time When you were 35 people didn't come up to you and go why are you not taller Why have you not grown It's a
• 36:48
  bizarre thought
• 36:50
  They're always talking about economic growth
• 36:52
  Don't you just talk about banking honesty and then we will have to worry about economic growth because it's a deranged idea It's like they've got everybody's attention looking at again another thing that appears to be the problem but is not
• 37:05
  Unknown: It is not But the other thing is that every
• 37:08
  political party has to be usury friendly
• 37:11
  If they're not
• 37:12
  Unknown: that's it The Secret Service go in and destroy them It's even worse than that now isn't it If you're
• 37:18
  not mentioned in dispatches in the files you'll never get into Parliament
• 37:22
  It would appear this way we're going
• 37:25
  Unknown: Oh yeah Yeah
• 37:26
  Unknown: Yeah You've got to be in there So they've got something on you We'll only allow people in that we can actually control once you're in there You're uncontrollable so you can't get in still honest and have got integrity and independent thinking We don't want any of that round here
• 37:42
  Unknown: So
• 37:44
  we're never going to do it with you know it's a bit of hope with
• 37:48
  what's his name Mr Lowe if you like Rupert Lowe But anybody that is a serious problem to them I mean
• 37:55
  were all these rumours of what poor Anne Whittaker was doing revealing something was about to hit the fan which was much worse than the post office scandal And that's why she got done in And that's the rumor I don't know if you picked up on that yet Anyway
• 38:08
  Unknown: I don't
• 38:09
  know exactly what the underpinnings of it would have been John but the whole thing stinks
• 38:14
  It just stinks And
• 38:17
  the lack of genuine concern from the political class I think across the board tells you that
• 38:23
  that's a warning shot across their bows as well Everybody knows what it is Yeah
• 38:29
  Unknown: absolutely
• 38:30
  we're
• 38:31
  not going to do anything with those What we've got to do
• 38:34
  is
• 38:35
  get everybody to want This is the challenge We've got to get you're doing wonderfully on your program We've got to get everybody to understand this Everyone And more and more suddenly more and more people I find are
• 38:46
  We've to find ways of doing it I think we've got to get leaflets dropped from helicopters
• 38:51
  Plus
• 38:52
  the fact we've got to get
• 38:54
  I came across this idea
• 38:57
  just this afternoon
• 38:59
  Do you remember the old CND marches
• 39:02
  We've got to get I do If we can get enough people
• 39:05
  on our page
• 39:06
  and we can organise people marching
• 39:10
  marching
• 39:11
  about with banners
• 39:12
  and get that into everybody's consciousness
• 39:15
  that's what we've got to do because we're never going to get anywhere with it politically
• 39:20
  Unknown: think the key word there that you use John
• 39:23
  is consciousness
• 39:24
  People are just really
• 39:26
  it's not that they're ignorant of it they're simply not conscious that it's a topic that you can actually even question It's just a given like oxygen apparently or the air or the sun
• 39:37
  No one even questions it What's the point of talking about the sun If you don't do it I'm dead anyway So you know it comes up We don't need to worry about that and really it would be a foolish thing to worry about I mean you could if you want to but that's the thing It's literally inert in people's heads Not everybody's
• 39:53
  I think there's more and more of a percentage of people are getting this When
• 39:58
  we talked the other day I think one of the things that we were saying was that if you wrote I say this all the time because I'm just like a broken record really but if you wrote down a list of all the pragmatic things that needed to be done to fix the nation
• 40:11
  and there are many and they're similar across all the nations of the earth the one at the top of the list that no one ever puts on there is sort out the bank
• 40:19
  If you don't do that everything below that one can't be done with lasting effect You can't affect it That's the one thing which underpins all the trouble in the world all the misery and injustice
• 40:32
  Unknown: This is the one single issue which could cure all
• 40:36
  the
• 40:37
  bad stuff It all goes back to this and no one's allowed to talk about it It's so carefully suppressed everywhere
• 40:44
  this is how we've
• 40:45
  Unknown: got get We've given ourselves permission And John I tell you there's a book What I like about your book and if you're not aware of it everybody you need to go where did they get it They just go and do a search I mean I saw it on Amazon and places like that Do you have a website at the moment John or do they just buy it direct from Amazon I did have but I don't because I won't go into why I don't If
• 41:07
  Unknown: you write in my
• 41:09
  do get attacked
• 41:10
  I did It was suppressed in the beginning I know that I took it to Waterstones
• 41:14
  and they said you know I took it to
• 41:19
  Bluewater
• 41:20
  which is the biggest
• 41:23
  shopping centre in Europe
• 41:25
  Yeah And they ordered a half dozen books and I talked to you know
• 41:29
  blokes there that were older than me you could talk to them really sensible people and
• 41:34
  gave them the spiel They got the book in They sold half a dozen copies When they went to reorder it
• 41:39
  the buyer said do not reorder this book and the chap that was ordering it was more senior than the buyer
• 41:46
  but he
• 41:49
  couldn't get any answer to the emails He just weren't allowed to have it You can get it now and if you go online I don't think we stock it in the shops anywhere I suppose I shouldn't be so lazy and I should pound around all of the shops putting it in
• 42:02
  they've got a dozen copies that they hold and you can buy it online
• 42:06
  Unknown: Well John we need to develop a sales channel here for this radio station So I'd have your book in there straight away
• 42:13
  so we can have a chat at some point in the future after this show about all that sort of process But there's a book that I mentioned here quite a few boringly
• 42:22
  that I've got on my shelf written by Hilar Belloc about one hundred years ago It's
• 42:28
  called Economics for Helen and his approach is pretty much this is why I'm interested very interested in how you've approached it and some of the things you've said about just getting it across
• 42:39
  Economics for Helen was written about nineteen
• 42:43
  fifteen twenty something like that World War I time right
• 42:46
  Maybe pre or just post World War I and Helen
• 42:50
  is described
• 42:51
  I'm just about to choke here
• 42:53
  let's stop that it's very silly particularly on the radio
• 42:57
  Helen
• 42:58
  was a girl of four described as a girl of 14 years of age of average intelligence and the aim of this booklet it's not really a full book it's about 120 pages
• 43:08
  was to take Helen through how the banking system worked And
• 43:12
  of course it talks about things that no longer exist like cheques and stuff like that
• 43:17
  But it talks about the leveling of interest on loans and usury I mean Belloc's got an interesting definition of usury which I think
• 43:25
  at some periods in history kind of holds true which is usury is any fee charged for an unproductive
• 43:31
  loan But then you get into who judges whether it's productive or not I
• 43:36
  don't know whether he knew about the true origination
• 43:38
  process I can't remember it's a long time since I read it He probably did but they just made it up on sheets of paper back then Now they make it up on sheets of computer screens and all this that and there It's been much easier for them ever since we got computerized
• 43:51
  aim
• 43:51
  broadly speaking
• 43:53
  in a similar line to you
• 43:55
  I've mentioned this how do we educate the young I know I sound like a vicar when I say that but really
• 44:01
  if you knew this stuff at 14 and 15
• 44:04
  and your parents knew it and the whole family is basically generally building up a sense That's of outrage the
• 44:12
  Unknown: I
• 44:13
  mean if you look at The Wizard of Oz was written in I think that was about the same sort of period wasn't it For World War I Yeah yeah was Just yeah 1920s
• 44:21
  I think just after World War I I think it was I don't know if the people who made the films knew what he was talking about but it's so obvious isn't it You know the Brick Road and Oz is what you measure gold in
• 44:37
  When they got to the
• 44:38
  great wizard
• 44:41
  hadn't who got any power at all It was all a scam and he was behind a screen So yeah
• 44:47
  Unknown: I think the
• 44:48
  witches in it don't they represent the different branches of the Federal Reserve at the time I think they do I really don't know Yeah something like that The great the evil witch of the North I can't stand The Wizard of Oz by the way I've never watched it I hate it I
• 45:02
  really did I never liked it as a kid Come on there was just something weird about it and I didn't like it at all So I just I don't like musicals I don't like it when people sing and stuff I want a film or music but I don't like the two put together It drives me nuts
• 45:16
  So
• 45:17
  yeah
• 45:19
  but yeah
• 45:20
  Frank L Baum
• 45:22
  B A U M Interesting name He's got a very interesting family history as well He's connected through to other pockets So that was his way of sending up some kind of an SOS to everybody for those that can read between the lines But clearly that
• 45:35
  Unknown: was his way of doing it to sort of get penetration
• 45:39
  But he hid it so that people couldn't really tell what he was doing if you say it Yeah with me
• 45:45
  money that I put out but I think we've got to we need somebody to make a comet and push it through everybody's front door We need people dropping leaflets from helicopters
• 45:54
  We've really got to do something about this now Paul because
• 45:57
  Unknown: we Well you know we were talking about a newspaper or a private
• 46:01
  eye type thing and there really would be room in there for a comic strip one page you know if we can get the thing up We're gonna have to wait until next year like Alice in Moneyland
• 46:10
  And we
• 46:12
  just illustrate all these things with concerns
• 46:14
  It's needed Comics
• 46:16
  for what you know it's a funny word
• 46:18
  but they're devastatingly effective at getting across I mean really massively effective at getting complex ideas across in a split second A bit like a meme They're really fast with that stuff People just get it I
• 46:31
  Unknown: tried explaining
• 46:33
  usury to a chap on a stall down the local market
• 46:37
  He ended up I tried to explain it but he just couldn't get it I think people have been conditioned not to understand it It's very simple He ended up thinking I was some sort of loony lefty
• 46:47
  I
• 46:49
  was thinking No no
• 46:52
  just kept going down blind alleys all the time I just gave up in the end and I walked away with him thinking I was a loony lefty
• 47:02
  Look what happened to
• 47:05
  Nick Griffin
• 47:07
  because they had
• 47:11
  eradicating usury on one of their
• 47:15
  political pamphlets
• 47:17
  and he got a little visit from
• 47:19
  some
• 47:20
  Unknown: Exactly he would told to
• 47:23
  Unknown: drop that or they'll destroy him
• 47:26
  and his party The rest is history
• 47:29
  They destroyed him and his party After
• 47:31
  all World War II was about usury
• 47:34
  People didn't realise that You
• 47:37
  Unknown: can't really say this to people in my opinion you could be wrong about it but my judgment is we went to war to defend the international banking system
• 47:44
  Unknown: spot on You get a of agreement around here for that John I completely agree with you I think Eric will as well Many listeners That was will do about war It designed
• 47:55
  Unknown: to drain out all of the treasure in a very opulent continent of Europe by God it did it The Austro Hungarian Empire all that treasure went all the power of the British Empire all got for
• 48:06
  what
• 48:07
  I mean these
• 48:09
  governments decide to have wars If they had a referendum before a war I don't think there'd ever be a war I'm far too cowardly to go and murder Germans and I suspect they're the same
• 48:18
  But governments decided to do it because governments are all
• 48:22
  in the power of this
• 48:24
  money power
• 48:27
  Unknown: Yes
• 48:28
  they are I mean
• 48:31
  obviously we've got a warlike image for today's thing a warrior
• 48:35
  And
• 48:36
  that's
• 48:37
  what it needs to sort it out That's the way it'll get sorted out in the end It is we're gonna have to become banking warriors or warriors of you know I mean effectively we don't use money anymore We use
• 48:48
  theatrically created currency
• 48:50
  courtesy of their system and it's held in place by punitive law positive law If you don't do this
• 48:57
  we are gonna lock you up We are gonna ruin your life
• 49:01
  because everybody has become sort of I think to a degree
• 49:06
  psychologically
• 49:07
  that's the wrong word but dependent on the presence of purchasing power in their life for good reason
• 49:13
  just like you said earlier If don't
• 49:15
  have any purchasing power
• 49:17
  you start to have those anxious nights where you don't sleep too well This
• 49:21
  is bad very bad because you don't think effectively and you can't create stuff and you're just under pressure It's like a downward spiral It's very bad stuff
• 49:30
  They rely upon that It's like the whole thing is held in place
• 49:34
  by a group agreement
• 49:36
  by a group that's predominantly made up of people who are unconscious
• 49:40
  about what it is that's causing the problem and are therefore easily distracted by newspapers telling you currently it's the Russians now Oh is it really Is it really
• 49:50
  It's the Russians apparently
• 49:53
  that anymore I think the Mundras that disbelieve it must be colossal
• 49:57
  It must be huge I mean I've seen nothing but people falling about laughing metaphorically
• 50:01
  speaking know about what's going on You know we want you to go off and die to defend your country What country It's not mine You've destroyed it
• 50:11
  Unknown: Courtesy of your pals you know Yeah That kind of stuff Yeah yeah yeah Yeah So we've this is our challenge and you're doing great work putting out your we've all got to do what we can And I think if we could get people
• 50:26
  parading around about it if we could get it if there was I don't know if 10% of the population or 7% understood this
• 50:33
  and we could get people parading around and marching with
• 50:38
  So that
• 50:39
  I think it's going to have to happen from the bottom We're never going to do it politically It's the only place it can happen Only the peasants can save themselves Because
• 50:49
  Unknown: the minute the peasants are then get involved even in a party
• 50:52
  and start to look to the leaders of these parties and they all start many of them start off with really good intentions
• 50:58
  But you
• 50:59
  and I and Eric and many people here know
• 51:02
  they're gonna bump into this force the Wizard of Oz thing behind the curtain They're gonna bump into it or it's gonna bump into them and they're gonna start getting messages coming across their desk and they're not gonna be nice and they're gonna go we have the means of doing this and anybody on the receiving end of this stuff knows that they do have the means to do it because
• 51:21
  they've bought up all the so called courts We don't have any courts left I mean the problem's massive It's like a disease that runs through everything
• 51:30
  Anyway don't give up everybody
• 51:32
  What choice have we got Well
• 51:35
  Unknown: I tell you what I think we've got to be hopeful It's got to have a bit of hope isn't it And I think we
• 51:41
  really are moving into everything's
• 51:43
  coming to a boil now
• 51:45
  And this is a key subject we've got to get into everybody's head
• 51:49
  I mean everyone's going on about the migrants coming over
• 51:53
  And this is the great big problem
• 51:55
  We've
• 51:56
  got to get people to understand who is it is organising the migrants to come over
• 52:02
  this money mafia
• 52:04
  Unknown: Of course It's
• 52:06
  very
• 52:06
  Bank of England that has got nothing to do with England
• 52:10
  at all That's using England basically as a sort of energy
• 52:14
  supply
• 52:16
  to do the bidding of its actual masters who are probably in the in Baal or Basel but I prefer to call it Baal because it's the name of their ancient god as well you know the Bank of International Settlements which we've mentioned here before I mean there's some great documents on this that have been done recently but it's literally
• 52:34
  a law unto itself Nobody can prosecute it You can't inquire into it I bet most MPs don't even know what it is They've never even heard of it I bet you I
• 52:44
  Unknown: think you're right
• 52:45
  I think most MPs
• 52:48
  I mean most of them are hopeless aren't they When you look at them there's hardly any of them
• 52:52
  the past they seem to have sort of some integrity and presence
• 52:56
  and be able to get on their hind legs and do it
• 52:59
  hope just look at them they look absolutely pathetic all of them It's hardly anything really good
• 53:04
  Unknown: Eric you think they're great don't you
• 53:07
  Unknown: Oh yes
• 53:08
  Oh sun shines it out there
• 53:12
  Really
• 53:14
  you know you have
• 53:17
  names for things for
• 53:19
  example
• 53:21
  is it It's So Many Crows and things like that What do you call group of MPs Is it a group of liars or something like that But quite honestly
• 53:29
  do we actually government I'm
• 53:32
  serious
• 53:34
  Unknown: I
• 53:35
  thought the group name was a cesspit Isn't it a cesspit of politicians It's something like that isn't it But
• 53:41
  Unknown: attracts
• 53:42
  psychopaths like bees around
• 53:44
  a honey pot We don't really need
• 53:47
  governments
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  When you look at it in societies where there was no government
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  they absolutely thrived
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  Poland when the war came down had two years without government
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  Most Poles have the best two years of their lives People could start businesses they could do all kinds of stuff because there's no government no regulations
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  Brilliant
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  Unknown: You
• 54:10
  know of Tom Paine the guy that wrote
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  Unknown: Thomas Paine Common
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  Unknown: Sense was it or something like that It was a
• 54:17
  booklet that was pivotal in apparently
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  instigating the War of Independence of
• 54:23
  the Americans
• 54:24
  becoming Americans That's right yes Thomas Paine But he said something he said that government is a necessary evil
• 54:32
  and I don't rate Paine by the way I did twenty five years ago I don't at all now I think he was just another one worldist
• 54:40
  They're all going for these sort of liberal values and all this kind of stuff and it's a nonsense
• 54:44
  in my view Today that's what I think I mean I don't know about you John do you find that your sort of thoughts on these things keep evolving or you have to sort of cross They check and go you know do don't they I always thought Thomas Bain was a good geezer but I've never really looked into him at all Quite a philosopher isn't he
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  Unknown: Hello
• 55:03
  Unknown: Yeah I'm still here yeah yeah yeah is Yeah it's brilliant
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  Unknown: what you're doing Paul It's
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  Unknown: brilliant what you're doing John I mean fact that look I've got a copy I had to get a copy fast so I found a PDF free but it's a terrible one right So I do need a copy of the book just to let you know
• 55:22
  I've put the link to the book in all of the chat rooms that we've got here So you can if you do a search for Alice
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  and the Money Tree and put
• 55:30
  John Briggs in you'll find it
• 55:33
  I just put the Amazon link but there are other places World of Books which is literally just around the corner from me they've got copies and stuff like that but I'd like to help with this when we get a bit more time early next year? There's still a few little things that we're doing here, I really would. We need a publishing arm
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  because
• 55:50
  there are people that could probably contribute more easily in the publishing realm and I think that that would be a great thing, just to give people that sort of wriggle room And
• 55:58
  the illustrations you're right they work
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  There's something about pictures
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  Oh
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  do you read picture books Yeah well because they work they're really good
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  Unknown: Perhaps someone listening into this could use
• 56:12
  comic and could produce a comic for a soldier because they're cheap enough to make aren't they And we could
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  almost give those away or put
• 56:21
  them out like the Dandy and Abino used to
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  Unknown: Yeah I mean they're just
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  I think it comes back
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  to this thing about
• 56:30
  consciousness
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  Are the MPs evil
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  I don't think directly they are but their behavior leads to the propagation of evil and I think it's because
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  they're
• 56:43
  not actually unintelligent
• 56:45
  but they are stupid You can be both and many people are Why are they stupid Because
• 56:51
  they're playing with only half a deck and they haven't got the gumption to question where the other half of the deck is It's
• 56:58
  like they don't even notice
• 57:00
  and it's because they're not conscious
• 57:04
  there was a thing I was watching today about
• 57:07
  was it Was it Dietrich Bonhoeffer the guy that got shot by the Germans towards the end got locked up
• 57:12
  He made some brilliant observations about crowd psychology
• 57:15
  which of course everybody goes the evil Nazis Nazis it's applicable everywhere It was even worse in Bolshevik Russia as far as I'm concerned It's to do with survival
• 57:23
  So there you are know I was watching this thing today I was going play it as a clip but it's a bit too long and what you've got you've got a situation where an intelligent man or woman or group of them end up in a movement that starts to gain power
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  And this is a problem even though it's what you want this is this sort of conundrum So as they gain power their position in society
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  improves
• 57:44
  They are now respected
• 57:46
  or admired
• 57:47
  by people who still don't fully know what's going on but everybody thinks well is the tidal wave is going in this direction I'd be an idiot to stand in its way it's going to kill me and that makes sense So it's like an event that gets out of hand and so none of them will betray anybody else and they begin to unknowingly
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  almost like unconsciously
• 58:05
  self censor themselves
• 58:07
  The very sort of sharp criticisms that are necessary to keep the project honorable
• 58:13
  start they don't occur These criticisms begin to disappear and it's all great and it's all going to turn out good and we're going beat the world and all this kind of stuff and you're just on your way to the abyss because no one's got their hand on the tiller and going are you sure that we're really going in the right direction with this Do you think that this is actually wise
• 58:31
  Unknown: I think you're right If you look at history I think we were better off before we had a parliament
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  Unknown: Oh we
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  Unknown: Why do we need one They used to round these scoundrels up and throw them out periodically and people couldn't read and write They understood the fraud
• 58:45
  It's systematic I've read that they've been thrown out of 129
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  countries
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  120
• 58:52
  Unknown: more than that but I know you're referring to Yeah we call them the unmentionables
• 58:56
  Okay just that's the code word round here John So there you go Yeah
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  Unknown: yeah Well I call them the international
• 59:04
  money mafia
• 59:06
  Unknown: I mean it's not just them though I mean it
• 59:11
  Unknown: is now predominantly for They all sorts of reasons hide behind this ethnic minority and it's great and you're not allowed to mention them This is what they do they don't have to be of that
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  no to
• 59:23
  be involved in it And I'm sure there's some pretty good of
• 59:27
  Unknown: that race In fact the best man who ever lived was Jesus Christ who was one of them Well he wasn't one of them but that's another story I'd have to beg to differ with you on that I think there's a different story there So that's another thing that that's part of the sort of deceit But I think like
• 59:43
  one of the big banking families in Europe
• 59:45
  even before all this was a
• 59:48
  family with an unfortunate surname or a comical one that Eric might know which is the Fuggers
• 59:53
  I'm serious right
• 59:57
  have a look at the tone round here and
• 1:00:00
  the spelled FUGGER
• 1:00:03
  the Fuggers and they rose to great prominence in what is now Germany of course it wasn't called Germany back then but Prussia and all that region They
• 1:00:12
  started off as sort of
• 1:00:14
  I don't know what they did they did a proper industrious thing but the guy that was running it was very very good And so what they would
• 1:00:21
  they just expanded their business were very effective and they ended up sort of buying mines
• 1:00:25
  and then silver mines They just got into all of this and they became
• 1:00:30
  phenomenally
• 1:00:31
  phenomenally powerful family You don't hear anything much
• 1:00:35
  about them Now a few weeks ago we had a chap on called
• 1:00:40
  Alexander Pohl a
• 1:00:42
  German
• 1:00:43
  and I'm trying to get him back Eric it was a great show
• 1:00:46
  Alexander
• 1:00:47
  worked for twenty years in the city
• 1:00:51
  and then he went off to Tibet and he didn't get blown away by what happened in Tibet with all those water things that were happening and all that horrific stuff Whatever it was you just you don't know quite what but I'm trying to get him back on However he left a cryptic comment towards the end of the show and he was talking about the hidden financial
• 1:01:10
  power base in Sweden Now this is interesting
• 1:01:14
  because
• 1:01:15
  Sweden actually as far as I'm aware had the world's very first central bank even before Holland So Sweden then Holland then England
• 1:01:23
  I think that's the and I was looking up
• 1:01:26
  hidden wealth in Sweden and there's a family out there called the Wallenbergs
• 1:01:30
  and they're really interesting.
• 1:01:32
  They're really interesting to look at and they're
• 1:01:36
  colossally powerful
• 1:01:38
  and they have a
• 1:01:40
  policy of zero publicity. This is why no one's probably even heard of them, the Wallam folks. Can go look them up right and they've kept all of their finances in the family for like two hundred years and they started off in industry and doing all these sorts of things and have run an extremely effective administrative setup I don't know whether they're unmentionables or not with a name like Berg you might think that they are but that's not necessarily true because
• 1:02:04
  many Germans are naturally bergs and stuff like this So you know and it doesn't even come down to that But there are these hidden forces like Saab and these other all these countries at one point in Sweden they own something like
• 1:02:17
  48%
• 1:02:18
  of the entire Swedish industrial base Half
• 1:02:22
  of Sweden
• 1:02:23
  they were country and nobody even knew who they are and I suspect there are other families or pockets of finance
• 1:02:29
  in this way that are in the world China no doubt and I'm not talking about modern China I'm talking about ancient China These Chinese families that have had been sitting on literally caves full of gold
• 1:02:40
  for like hundreds and hundreds of years all sorts of things So there's all these little forces at work and it gets very very complicated But
• 1:02:48
  yes it's kind of glamorous but mad all at the same time don't you think Well
• 1:02:53
  Unknown: that's very informative
• 1:02:55
  Unknown: I'm quite enjoying hearing your discourse and things like that Well I'll tell you what we do we're going to take a break from that because I just realized we've just gone past the top of the hour and I normally take this thing to sing a little song to it No don't I normally play one anyway And I don't know if I played this the other week but it's so appropriate given how they've been banging the war drums and all that kind of stuff right
• 1:03:17
  is recently I've just come across this little channel where they're taking Rudyard Kipling's poems and setting them to music
• 1:03:25
  which is quite good and this is if you don't I bet many people will know this poem it's called Tommy It's about the working class guy that's only wanted when he's gonna go off and spill his guts That's basically what it's all about and that's what they're banging on about right now So we're gonna take this is three or four minutes we're gonna take this little break and we'll be back on the other side
• 1:03:59
  Unknown: and giggled fit to die I outs into the street again and to myself says I Oh it's Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy go away
• 1:04:10
  But it's thank you Mr Atkins when the band begins to play The band begins to play my boys the band begins to play Oh it's Thank You Mr Hopkins when the band begins to play
• 1:04:23
  I
• 1:04:26
  went into a theatre as sober as could be They gave a drunk civilian room but had none for me They sent me to the gallery or around the musicals
• 1:04:38
  But when it comes to fighting Lord they'll shove me in the stall For it's Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy wait outside
• 1:04:47
  But it's special train for Atkins when the troopers on the tide The troop ship's on the tide my boys the troop ship's on the tide Oh it's special train for Atkins when the trooper's on the tide Yes
• 1:05:02
  making mocker uniforms
• 1:05:04
  that guard you while you sleep Is cheaper than uniforms
• 1:05:08
  and their starvation cheap
• 1:05:10
  And hustling drunken soldiers when they're going large a bit Is five times better business than parading in full kit Then it's Tommy this and Tommy that And Tommy how's your soul But it's thin red line of heroes when the drums begin to roll The drums begin to roll my boys the drums begin to roll Oh it's thin red line of heroes when the drums begin to roll
• 1:05:38
  We aren't no thin red arrows no we aren't no black guards too But single men in barracks most remarkable
• 1:05:46
  like you
• 1:05:47
  And if sometimes our conduct isn't all your fancy paints Why single men in barracks don't grow into plaster saints Why are this Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy fall behind But it's pleased to walk in front so when there's trouble in the wind There's trouble in the wind my boys There's trouble in the wind wind Always pleased to walk in front So when there's trouble in the wind
• 1:06:16
  You talk a better food for us And schools and fires and all We'll wait for extra rations If you treat us rational
• 1:06:25
  Don't mess about the cookroom slops but prove it to our face
• 1:06:29
  The widow's uniform
• 1:06:31
  is not the soldier man's disgrace
• 1:06:38
  For
• 1:07:08
  Unknown: Hey doesn't that stir the cockles of something or other I've just ordered me army boots
• 1:07:17
  I thought what I should do is get a pair of boots and polish them really really shiny
• 1:07:21
  so much so that you can see your face in them so that the face of some politician can see it as it moves
• 1:07:26
  swiftly towards him
• 1:07:29
  I shouldn't say such nasty things but they are saying such nasty things towards the people of these islands that we
• 1:07:36
  need to find some methodology
• 1:07:38
  Unknown: to bring them up short I don't know what we're to do I mean nobody believes in him Only half the people have turned up to vote in the last general election and I imagine be less next time
• 1:07:50
  Unknown: So I think Yeah I think you know I'll tell you what I think it is John to some degree I think it's a it's
• 1:07:57
  not quite it's so surreal
• 1:07:59
  and odd
• 1:08:01
  the fact that they're trying to tap into a sentiment which they've obviously destroyed
• 1:08:05
  as if they are literally confusing us on purpose by these
• 1:08:09
  trying to evoke old sentiments of national pride when nobody is allowed to even fly the flag or
• 1:08:17
  they get arrested for saying a rude word or all of this insane
• 1:08:22
  communism that's crept into the country Yeah
• 1:08:25
  Unknown: yeah well I think that Europe is
• 1:08:30
  being crushed
• 1:08:31
  It's
• 1:08:33
  being invaded isn't it They've organised an invasion of us
• 1:08:37
  want to disrupt because the only thing I think all progress really is last two thousand years is from philosophy and you know the ancient Greeks to all sort of mechanical
• 1:08:47
  invention and progress has come out of Europe And the only people who will face these monsters down
• 1:08:52
  We are a threat to them This is why they've got to stamp
• 1:08:57
  on us because they can probably work
• 1:09:00
  their
• 1:09:01
  war games on the computers and they can see that the internet is waking people up now
• 1:09:06
  And so they are taking measures against it
• 1:09:09
  Yeah
• 1:09:11
  is I don't know This is
• 1:09:14
  my view on things of what's happening now
• 1:09:17
  And we're not going to deal with it with politicians
• 1:09:19
  And I don't know how the hell we're going to deal with it But
• 1:09:22
  I think that there's an awful lot of us and right many of them if
• 1:09:26
  we can get enough people awake might not make too many
• 1:09:31
  create our own parliament and ignore them
• 1:09:33
  Unknown: I think the numbers that are awake are huge It's just that we've not all stood and looked at one another in a field metaphorically and held each other's hand and said hey look we've got a lot there is a lot of power but it's not harnessed right and maybe that's appropriate mean you know the thing is that they're quick to
• 1:09:52
  initiate and instigate violence
• 1:09:54
  but they're never the ones that are actually involved in actually receiving the bullet in the forehead They're
• 1:09:59
  well away from that It's the most detestable
• 1:10:02
  foul
• 1:10:03
  quality and characteristic and then they're the ones who'll be walking around on TV with medals on their chests in five years One is all like look at me this and the other yeah but you didn't get your guts blown out on the beach or anything like that No no we don't do that We let all the plebs go off and do that kind of stuff
• 1:10:19
  It's revolting and of course it's nothing new over here There's been that strand of abuse of the working classes
• 1:10:26
  it's sort of writ large in the culture here for centuries
• 1:10:29
  It's repellent
• 1:10:30
  it really is
• 1:10:32
  Unknown: The
• 1:10:33
  key is the one central thing that I think that
• 1:10:37
  we
• 1:10:39
  this is my mission
• 1:10:41
  is to get everybody to understand this
• 1:10:44
  money swindle
• 1:10:45
  That's the key to everything
• 1:10:48
  If we could get a pop
• 1:10:50
  a popular movement not a poll but people marching about in the thousands
• 1:10:54
  marching with
• 1:10:56
  carrying
• 1:10:57
  this message somehow we've got to get this instruction into everyone
• 1:11:01
  It's not enough just a few
• 1:11:04
  thousand people reading this book I wrote ten years ago
• 1:11:07
  Got to get some and what you're doing is great
• 1:11:12
  Unknown: Well we'd like to think it is but I think we've still got the same problem here that you're talking about
• 1:11:18
  and you know I look at that if you look at and I'm not trying to be negative I'm just trying to sort of observe it like as best I can as an engineer and take it apart and go what bits are missing what's faulty in the approach what is it that needs to be improved
• 1:11:31
  so that it cuts into people like a laser beam as opposed to just makes them feel a bit fluffy and bored and fall asleep in a blanket It's tricky
• 1:11:39
  I mean you're obviously galvanized by it I share your experience Eric is People when this penny drops it's like one of the biggest hammer blows to your entire worldview You go holy moly everything I've done is a waste of time Yes is
• 1:11:53
  Sorry
• 1:11:56
  Unknown: Once you realise this begin to realise all of these
• 1:12:00
  you know sort of
• 1:12:02
  fourth flag attacks in London
• 1:12:06
  it's all theatre and nobody gets really killed They used to kill people but
• 1:12:10
  it's everything
• 1:12:12
  falls into place once the key is to get everybody to understand this money fraud
• 1:12:17
  and how we set about that
• 1:12:20
  Unknown: That's
• 1:12:21
  point Yeah do you think we have to become
• 1:12:24
  I hate using it but we have to become almost like amateur psychologists or something I mean it's looking at
• 1:12:30
  I was talking to someone the other day and I just met a casual thing that I didn't think would really get any response at all I just thought it was a given Shows you how out of touch I am with what a lot of people think and I just said well the problem with most of the governments the politicians is that they're fools and that they're actually actively working to destroy the country and the response was no they're not
• 1:12:50
  I went what I was like what And it's because I only talk to people like Eric I suppose put myself in a little box many people here and you end up you're going well I need to hang around in this box I'm gonna lose what I'm gonna lose my sanity if I have to sort of confront this but I saw it writ large It's like I couldn't believe that the shutters came down
• 1:13:09
  almost instantaneously
• 1:13:11
  on an idea that's going to disturb the worldview
• 1:13:16
  yet you can see it This is what Bonhoeffer was talking about Once you've got into the swing of things
• 1:13:22
  and you're maybe being effective In other words we've got a lot of middle management in this country that are intelligent people
• 1:13:28
  We've still got some left mean I don't what it's gonna be like in twenty years time considering what's been pushed out of universities They're all just gonna have blue hair and their heads are gonna be falling off or something
• 1:13:37
  yeah you know well it's you know and that's part of the attack as well If you undermine the caliber of the people
• 1:13:43
  the whole nation will literally go down I mean it's all to do with overall IQ
• 1:13:49
  and initiative and honesty and honor and all these values that people don't realize they've been living in but we're all beginning to sense that they're going which they are There's a concerted
• 1:14:00
  effort to
• 1:14:01
  strip us of connection to that good glue that would hold us together Even when we were arguing you could hold it together
• 1:14:09
  It's
• 1:14:10
  the only way to really do it So it's looking a bit desperate isn't it I think it's finding a way to breach that And so when I have a little exchange like that I'm going
• 1:14:19
  you know it's not that it's the first time that that's happened but I didn't expect it now I'm thinking and I even got called a conspiracy theorist and I couldn't stop laughing said what I said that is so twentieth century Are you serious Really I said this is ridiculous
• 1:14:34
  Then I was questioned about where I got my information from I said well not the newspapers and this also was slightly alarming I said well why
• 1:14:42
  would you expect to be told the truth
• 1:14:45
  from commercial organizations
• 1:14:47
  that are restricted in what they say
• 1:14:50
  There's a great one from
• 1:14:52
  there's that quote from John Swinton
• 1:14:55
  to the New York Press Club in the late 1800s
• 1:14:58
  You know that one And Swinton was I think he was of Scottish descent actually I think he was a Scot
• 1:15:03
  and he just nailed it He said you know we're all basically prostitutes
• 1:15:08
  all of us all of you including me We will write whatever we're paid to write We will put in the paper what we're paid to put in The things that should go in we will not put in because you and I know that the minute we do it we'd be out of a job and be looking for a new job That was like one hundred and forty years ago I
• 1:15:26
  don't think there's anything new I bet it was the same in Rome
• 1:15:29
  You can't put that down a sheet of paper The powerful people won't like it
• 1:15:35
  Unknown: But looking at it from another point of view
• 1:15:39
  there is mass formation theory
• 1:15:42
  which says
• 1:15:44
  whatever happens 30% of people will believe everything the government says
• 1:15:48
  They're dead from the neck upwards so forget about them
• 1:15:51
  Then 40% go with the flow
• 1:15:54
  and the remaining 30% can see straight through
• 1:15:57
  the government Now all you need is five to 10% of that 40%
• 1:16:03
  to come over to us 30%
• 1:16:06
  and the government is in trouble
• 1:16:08
  That's what it needs five to 10%
• 1:16:12
  Unknown: I think you could be get on to I
• 1:16:14
  like to have hope and I do think we're moving that way really
• 1:16:19
  see the indications everywhere Everything's coming to a boil
• 1:16:22
  Unknown: Well
• 1:16:23
  I've done foc bobs
• 1:16:25
  and Fock Bobs are the currency of Fockham Hall
• 1:16:29
  Unknown: Geek a little name Eric
• 1:16:31
  Unknown: it looks like
• 1:16:32
  well they look like sort of rip offs of
• 1:16:36
  ordinary
• 1:16:37
  legal tender
• 1:16:39
  but it's pretty obvious
• 1:16:41
  The way you tell a foc bob from a legal tender is you just hold it up to the light and if there's no line going through it then you know it's a genuine foc bob
• 1:16:51
  On the other side I put
• 1:16:53
  information
• 1:16:55
  about usury and things like that, so people have a good laugh
• 1:16:59
  and pass it on to their friends. They've
• 1:17:03
  got information on it, but only in very small amounts,
• 1:17:06
  like a little signpost It's only about a couple of paragraphs that's all I think what we do need is a meme
• 1:17:14
  The greatest meme even though I don't like it that has ever been is Your Country Needs You with a picture of Kitchener pointing at you That was pure genius
• 1:17:24
  was simple
• 1:17:26
  We need something very very similar
• 1:17:29
  with very few words
• 1:17:32
  Unknown: Maybe we just tag a few words onto that Your country needs you to end the bank That's only four words Get it
• 1:17:39
  know something like that I don't know People go what does that mean suppose What's he talking about They wouldn't know I suppose I don't know But Dave Starbuck came up with a good one
• 1:17:49
  Unknown: Had enough yet That's what he says Had enough yet Question mark
• 1:17:54
  Unknown: It would appear that people haven't
• 1:17:57
  wouldn't it I mean it is good
• 1:17:59
  It's good on certain ears and eyes I think it is
• 1:18:03
  definitely a communications challenge and much of it is to do with horsepower or firepower
• 1:18:08
  know if it's World War I
• 1:18:09
  it's just literally about the amount of armaments you've got and they've got so much
• 1:18:15
  And what is it that we're after We're after what's the battleground It's people's attention
• 1:18:21
  It seems to me in part is
• 1:18:23
  the more people we can get to pay attention to this topic
• 1:18:26
  the better And you know we've not tried the print route I know you have Eric but the idea of stepping up a bit and having some kind of support pack or whatever you want to call it you know order these notes start passing them around put these quotes on the back and witticism I'm
• 1:18:41
  itching to sort of do something like that and get back in print a bit because it communicates
• 1:18:46
  to different sorts of people Different sorts of people pick it up Not everybody is vocal or gobby like us a lot and
• 1:18:53
  some people are more quiet but they want to hear
• 1:18:55
  and think about it quietly and look at these things
• 1:19:00
  Most people are not going to read these massive books on banking I mean I'm a glutton for them or I was but they're not going to do it I realized going through all this stuff and then you go off and talk to someone and they and you realize that to them you are talking gobbledygook because they've got no point in which to place it into their understanding What are you talking about It's not like that Oh and then you realize
• 1:19:21
  oh they haven't read this they haven't read that they're not aware of this they don't know the real story of World War One World War Two the Napoleonic Wars the Battle of Hastings or whatever it is you know said there's an alternative view of all historical records It can't be Well there is
• 1:19:35
  Unknown: you just haven't heard it that's all You just haven't heard it Why not take a leaf out of Sefton Delmar's book We use black propaganda
• 1:19:44
  so we'll have a leaflet that praises usury
• 1:19:47
  and to get people angry
• 1:19:49
  If you praise it people get angry You
• 1:19:54
  do the opposite to what they expect You're helping
• 1:19:58
  the government you're helping the usury scammers
• 1:20:01
  in a weird way That is what ideological subversion is You don't stop your enemy you help your enemy along It's
• 1:20:11
  like throwing a punch as Yuri Besmanov said You don't stop that punch that'd be the most stupid
• 1:20:18
  thing to do No you assist it like they do in judo
• 1:20:22
  and then the person then smashes into the wall
• 1:20:25
  This is the thing black propaganda
• 1:20:27
  we
• 1:20:28
  praise usury
• 1:20:30
  we say isn't it marvelous
• 1:20:32
  that we're in lots of lovely debt
• 1:20:35
  but
• 1:20:36
  do it in a way that makes people really angry
• 1:20:41
  Only in very few words
• 1:20:44
  as if it's like the government putting it out Great idea
• 1:20:47
  Unknown: a idea That's a good one Eric That's propaganda
• 1:20:52
  I'm a bit worried that we're actually using Seft and Delmer as an inspirational source though but nevertheless
• 1:20:57
  Unknown: I think the point's well made I agree Somebody could write something to say look aren't these people clever They've got a whole world enslaved
• 1:21:05
  and worried
• 1:21:07
  and they've dreamt up this wonderful fraud
• 1:21:10
  it's a pretend money when
• 1:21:12
  Unknown: they haven't gotten it and they've taken all our money Aren't they clever Yeah but that's doing it from our point of view doing it as if they've done it from their point of view Yeah And saying like for example
• 1:21:28
  I'll give you an example I actually wrote a report
• 1:21:32
  against
• 1:21:33
  a huge planning application
• 1:21:36
  I was going to build loads of houses around my house
• 1:21:39
  I did it humorously
• 1:21:41
  and I looked at the good points about the housing that's going on and I said just think the traffic jams the amount of friends you'd be able to make when it's gridlock sitting in your car and you can relax and see the world going by And I was actually doing it kind of praising it in a way to get people angry Eric I think you
• 1:22:02
  Unknown: should be doing this
• 1:22:04
  Unknown: mean You've got to go now you've to go get on the typewriter and
• 1:22:09
  get a pipe and burn the midnight oil
• 1:22:13
  actually gone up to o'clock in the morning and gone Yes
• 1:22:17
  Unknown: with loads and loads of scrap paper in the bin where you go to But see so much
• 1:22:21
  seriously
• 1:22:23
  this is what I did
• 1:22:25
  A reporter took it up
• 1:22:28
  How he got my phone number you never know but I got a phone call from a reporter
• 1:22:32
  and I'll keep away from the newspapers
• 1:22:35
  He's
• 1:22:36
  laughing his head off and it went round the planning office as well They were laughing their head off I got people laughing but it passed the message
• 1:22:44
  I said for example
• 1:22:47
  should the local council get the Stelling Award
• 1:22:51
  for dictatorship
• 1:22:52
  excellence
• 1:22:55
  do it in a serious way
• 1:23:02
  imagine
• 1:23:05
  Unknown: how enjoyable it will be to be stuck in a traffic jam and meet a bunch of people and you haven't even left your own drive.
• 1:23:13
  Unknown: Correct.
• 1:23:14
  That's it
• 1:23:16
  I was also saying how marvellous it is that the local wildlife upsets Granny
• 1:23:23
  watching animals doing revolting things with each other such as eating each other and things like that Is it better to have
• 1:23:30
  the type of wildlife such as
• 1:23:32
  pigeons rats
• 1:23:34
  and that type of thing
• 1:23:36
  that we can actually understand
• 1:23:38
  I showed a litter bin that was overflowing and said the council is doing their best to help our local feral
• 1:23:45
  rat and pigeon population
• 1:23:47
  I just showed pictures of it and it's praising them
• 1:23:50
  Unknown: I think that's
• 1:23:52
  a great angle Eric I really do You've chimed loads of things off in my head about that approach I think that the idea is start nailing a few down It's almost like the culture of the paper of the Fockem Hall Times or whatever it's gonna be Yes it is Because
• 1:24:05
  as you've pointed out these other papers are out there very they like give you a comment it's like Doom porn all the time Everybody's
• 1:24:11
  too serious and it's not being effective I wouldn't mind if it were It's a bit like swearing If we could swear our way to freedom we could just blind all night long but it don't work Well what's that that came out the other week There we have a
• 1:24:24
  Unknown: one minute shouting session
• 1:24:27
  of saying, what's it? The government.
• 1:24:29
  You'd
• 1:24:30
  f the government. F the government. So at 10:00 area, f the government. And they point to
• 1:24:36
  they point their finger in that direction. But another one I did was I made up organizations such as the preservation of flies
• 1:24:43
  because flies are marvelous pets
• 1:24:46
  and it's very good of the council
• 1:24:48
  to leave
• 1:24:49
  litter around
• 1:24:50
  to help
• 1:24:51
  the fly population
• 1:24:53
  I'm
• 1:24:54
  praising them I'm helping them That is counter subversion
• 1:24:58
  and things like that. Excuse
• 1:25:01
  my language. I'm taking the wee wee. I didn't say piss because that's rude. So I'm taking the wee wee
• 1:25:07
  in a a
• 1:25:09
  in a of a different way.
• 1:25:12
  And
• 1:25:14
  I think
• 1:25:15
  it can work
• 1:25:17
  Unknown: This is the thing that we could do
• 1:25:19
  Unknown: think it's worked here
• 1:25:26
  Unknown: Just one quick suggestion, if you're going to take one minute
• 1:25:29
  around 10PM
• 1:25:31
  to just have a shout down of the council or the local government,
• 1:25:36
  do it from 09:59
• 1:25:37
  to 10PM so they can't
• 1:25:39
  nail anybody for disturbing the peace
• 1:25:42
  Yeah Well when You
• 1:25:45
  Unknown: didn't mean live here on the show did you Because we
• 1:25:48
  can't start swearing on the We never swear here No mean locally
• 1:25:53
  Unknown: I mean locally it's like the old Well you're never a month
• 1:25:58
  Unknown: mean
• 1:26:01
  don't forget it's the last Friday of the month and at 01:00 today Yeah we need a set time once a month or something don't remember it's monthly tell the government to f off
• 1:26:10
  shout out yeah
• 1:26:14
  Unknown: if people can bang their pots and pans outside the house
• 1:26:18
  We can
• 1:26:19
  do that But you see the thing is how
• 1:26:22
  can you get into trouble so with the counsellor if you're praising them You're helping them but you're doing it in a way which is showing them up
• 1:26:31
  And it's very difficult for them to get back at you
• 1:26:35
  Unknown: is a very good angle Eric yeah it's good
• 1:26:39
  Unknown: So we're helping the government with usury
• 1:26:42
  We're
• 1:26:43
  hoping that people could understand that they've got to pay tax
• 1:26:47
  to make these minority people rich
• 1:26:51
  Unknown: We're getting a bit of echo from you Paul A sorry
• 1:26:59
  good one John are you thinking of doing any more books
• 1:27:04
  Unknown: Yeah I
• 1:27:06
  have I've
• 1:27:08
  got a rough thing I've knocked out
• 1:27:11
  It seems to me
• 1:27:13
  you've got to get penetration
• 1:27:15
  Unknown: I
• 1:27:18
  Unknown: put a sort of a fairy story together
• 1:27:21
  called The Goldsmith and the Farmer
• 1:27:24
  I'll read you the first story of it if I can find it
• 1:27:28
  Yes This is a plan
• 1:27:30
  I
• 1:27:32
  hope it's it'll
• 1:27:33
  only take me a minute I think
• 1:27:35
  stories are right If you could get them Goldsmiths
• 1:27:39
  upon a time there lived a goldsmith He made beautiful goblets
• 1:27:43
  and ornaments from gold for rich lords and laitors
• 1:27:47
  The goldsmith kept
• 1:27:49
  the gold in a strong and heavy safe in case thieves came in the night to steal
• 1:27:53
  Other folks would sometimes
• 1:27:56
  pay to keep the valuables their valuables and money in his safe
• 1:28:01
  Nearby lived a farmer One day the farmer
• 1:28:05
  said to his wife If only we could afford another farm we'd
• 1:28:09
  become much richer
• 1:28:11
  So
• 1:28:13
  he went to the goldsmith and said Can you lend me a gold bar to buy a farm which is for sale And in twenty years I'll be able to pay you with two gold bars
• 1:28:22
  So I've got little drawings of it it's a children's story if you like Yes The goldsmith said I have just one gold bar and I cannot lend it to you it does not belong to me
• 1:28:32
  It's the property of a rich nobleman who pays me to keep it for him safe
• 1:28:37
  Also if it's not kept here
• 1:28:40
  safely here it might be stolen
• 1:28:42
  However
• 1:28:43
  here is a note to represent the gold bar I shall sign it and because I am respected and trusted it will be as good as gold
• 1:28:51
  The farmer was very pleased with the goldsmith's plan so he took the note and bought the farm with it and became the proud owner of two farms
• 1:29:00
  So after twenty years the
• 1:29:03
  farmer had repaid
• 1:29:05
  the goldsmith two gold bars so he paid for the farm twice over And the goldsmith had gained two gold bars which had the worth
• 1:29:12
  of two whole farms for providing a note which represented a gold bar which didn't belong to him
• 1:29:19
  Now
• 1:29:20
  let's
• 1:29:22
  turn the page Thank you for your patience I'll turn the page
• 1:29:26
  Now nine other farmers heard of this and made the same arrangements with the goldsmith
• 1:29:30
  And so in twenty years
• 1:29:33
  10 farmers had bought 10 farms and the goldsmith had gained 20 gold bars
• 1:29:38
  The worth of 20 farms
• 1:29:40
  in return for providing 10 notes
• 1:29:43
  each of which
• 1:29:44
  represented just one single gold bar which did not belong to him
• 1:29:50
  And it goes on The gods were very
• 1:29:53
  pleased with his new way to get rich so he and his friends opened shops called banks to make money available for everyone
• 1:30:00
  So this is how goldsmiths came to provide everyone with money And although
• 1:30:05
  folk did not understand how the goldsmiths created money it became
• 1:30:09
  came in very useful for buying and selling things And it leads on you know like a children's story
• 1:30:16
  Unknown: We a money Jaqenori
• 1:30:18
  don't we Remember Jaqenori
• 1:30:20
  Unknown: Yeah this
• 1:30:22
  is the last page of it Folks
• 1:30:25
  placed their money
• 1:30:26
  into the banks for safekeeping and the banks loaned
• 1:30:30
  this money to others there's illustrations there's more illustrations than the wrong words but instead of lending the actual money banks gave the borrowers notes to pay the money called promissory notes or bank notes
• 1:30:42
  And just as I've done with the farmers they made nine
• 1:30:45
  times more notes that were needed to represent the saver's money stored in their vaults and then it goes on from there I thought children's stories like that
• 1:30:55
  If I could have a book of this
• 1:30:57
  is what I plan to do I've got it sort of roughed out a little bit
• 1:31:02
  Unknown: Well
• 1:31:03
  think all that stuff I think it's key It's almost like a Janet and John reader We were talking about it before The language gets so complicated but if you can pitch it to a 14 year old and I'm not trying to be patronizing
• 1:31:15
  it means that everybody can understand it
• 1:31:17
  And without feeling embarrassed that they don't if you give them sort of like you know so and so and so and so's history of banking and you know from the seventeenth century it's a bit like I'm not going read that They're not going to read it Most people I understand It's got to be simple
• 1:31:32
  Unknown: It's got to be simple Write it in great long books we've
• 1:31:39
  got to really make it simple because
• 1:31:42
  we're the problem Nobody wants bad news Nobody wants to know that
• 1:31:46
  there's trouble coming Everybody looks for safety and
• 1:31:50
  a peaceful life We're the problem Somebody put this to me some time ago when they said that we're hardwired to be like this if you like if you believe in evolution I'm not sure if I do but millions
• 1:32:01
  of years ago when our ancestors were living in Africa
• 1:32:04
  in a village and if you didn't sing the same
• 1:32:08
  songs
• 1:32:10
  to the rest of the people were in
• 1:32:12
  your village you were a threat to security
• 1:32:14
  The people in the next might come and eat you We're sort of hardwired to be like this We don't want trouble and we all want to agree with everybody else We're the problem
• 1:32:24
  these people
• 1:32:27
  trade on this trade on our naivety and the way that we want to be happy We don't want trouble
• 1:32:35
  This is what we have to get over
• 1:32:37
  Unknown: So we
• 1:32:39
  need a way so that when we're talking to people they don't run off Yes that's it Yeah
• 1:32:44
  they do You know
• 1:32:46
  the shutters don't come down you know it
• 1:32:49
  probably does need to be dressed up as little stories little happy stories
• 1:32:53
  Unknown: with these truths in them I can tell you get people up I haven't got a television I threw it and skipped ten years ago but I got a projector put on the wall I brought people up here and showed them things
• 1:33:04
  I've watched people actually run out of here say oh I must go and do this They can't bear to see it
• 1:33:10
  We're
• 1:33:13
  the problem
• 1:33:14
  We're too nice
• 1:33:16
  Unknown: Yes
• 1:33:18
  Yeah I'm glad you pointed out that we're the problem
• 1:33:23
  You're
• 1:33:26
  right nobody likes the bearer of bad news or something
• 1:33:29
  that they have to think about that's unsettling
• 1:33:32
  There's a lot of it In fact that's all we talk about on this thing all the unsettling stuff
• 1:33:37
  can't I don't know if you mentioned it you can't watch the mainstream Actually I was talking to someone this afternoon who called me up was going be on the show in a couple of weeks time
• 1:33:45
  She was saying to me she said You don't watch the mainstream news anymore It's intolerable isn't it I said I haven't watched it for years I only watch it really as an analyst I'm looking to you know that's my way of covering my backside don't get drawn into it I'm going oh why are you featuring this And why are you doing that And you're just looking at the tone the way that they're the new way that they've evolved to frame the lie or to misdirect the audience Well you know I think it is do think
• 1:34:08
  Unknown: it is all right pick this up everywhere
• 1:34:12
  For instance you
• 1:34:14
  hit the phrase is spreading
• 1:34:17
  Is that the truth Or did you get it from the BBC And everybody laughs when you say that now Yeah I think it I really do think it's coming our way
• 1:34:26
  If they'll I don't know what measures they'll take to suppress us or they're getting pretty sort of draconian now aren't they with putting people in prison for what they say on the on the
• 1:34:37
  know on X or whatever it's called
• 1:34:40
  Unknown: But
• 1:34:41
  Unknown: they're
• 1:34:42
  probably getting the wind up or are they do they think they're
• 1:34:46
  stupid they can do what they like to us are they
• 1:34:50
  Unknown: history repeats itself Sorry I didn't mean to talk across you there Sorry The similarities about what's happening now
• 1:34:56
  and what happened in early nineteen thirty nine are almost identical
• 1:35:01
  And what the powers that be do
• 1:35:03
  they're a one trick pony and they pull the same stunts every time and they get masses are gullible enough to fall for it every time
• 1:35:13
  For example
• 1:35:15
  I've noticed on social media they're buttering people up
• 1:35:19
  Conscription now
• 1:35:21
  in early nineteen thirty nine
• 1:35:23
  the country was just over twenty years after
• 1:35:27
  the Great War as it was called Yeah then And it's still fresh on people's minds People didn't realize that now don't realize that that
• 1:35:35
  the population
• 1:35:37
  was anti war
• 1:35:39
  The British Legion when it was formed
• 1:35:41
  was anti war
• 1:35:43
  It fed on but I could go to the British Legion it's not what you think it is But what I was going to say is that
• 1:35:51
  the beginning of nineteen thirty nine nobody had
• 1:35:54
  the stomach for a war with Germany People
• 1:35:57
  were saying there was a famous Oxford Union debate I think a few years prior to that that said no man in this room or chamber or wherever will fight for this country Then
• 1:36:09
  what happened
• 1:36:10
  is
• 1:36:11
  the government
• 1:36:13
  they
• 1:36:14
  used social engineers
• 1:36:16
  and propaganda
• 1:36:17
  and within a few months they turned the whole country round
• 1:36:21
  to chomping at the bit It was absolutely incredible
• 1:36:25
  absolutely incredible what they did They'll do the same again
• 1:36:29
  Unknown: you think they'll put a mustache on Putin
• 1:36:32
  Unknown: Yes
• 1:36:33
  Do you think they'd pull it off I'm not sure that they would Eric I think they would now
• 1:36:39
  Unknown: hope I'm wrong and I don't pull it off because I'm just warning people of this My father in his book he goes into it in detail and when you read it you go Oh my God fathers
• 1:36:50
  He used to read the newspapers to his blind father he knew what was going on He
• 1:36:57
  was just 20 in 1939
• 1:36:59
  so he was one of the first conscripts
• 1:37:01
  He was totally against
• 1:37:03
  being conscripted into the war because he knew what it was about exactly what it was about then So he was years ahead of his time
• 1:37:11
  And that was the thing
• 1:37:13
  The government just lied and lied and lied
• 1:37:16
  And people are stupid
• 1:37:18
  unfortunately
• 1:37:19
  Unknown: think that's a great point And also
• 1:37:21
  Unknown: we don't want
• 1:37:23
  to go murdering people think that they had a referendum before a war like they probably do in Switzerland In Switzerland they've had direct democracy for
• 1:37:32
  one hundred and fifty years or something They've never been in a war I think if they had a referendum before war there'd never be a war I'm far too cowardly to go murdering people I imagine the people in Germany or whatever are the same as me
• 1:37:44
  Unknown: Well people were but the thing is you have no choice in it Because
• 1:37:48
  Unknown: Your government are gonna murder you if you don't go. Right? Precisely.
• 1:37:53
  Unknown: They had to register
• 1:37:55
  to be conscripted.
• 1:37:57
  They said that every conscript
• 1:37:59
  will have a choice.
• 1:38:01
  That that give them a lovely profession.
• 1:38:04
  This is before the war started.
• 1:38:06
  When my dad went along,
• 1:38:09
  and he he said, RAF, please. He said, we're not recruiting for the RAF today. I'll wait.
• 1:38:13
  You have to give a decision now or we will get fined
• 1:38:18
  Gosh
• 1:38:18
  Unknown: yeah
• 1:38:19
  said What's the RAF
• 1:38:23
  Unknown: papers he got through
• 1:38:25
  it was frontline infantry, and all the other conscripts were told the same
• 1:38:30
  in the infantry.
• 1:38:32
  It was complete
• 1:38:33
  bullshit,
• 1:38:34
  what the government were giving.
• 1:38:36
  That's
• 1:38:37
  the trouble. People are gullible.
• 1:38:39
  That's a sad thing.
• 1:38:41
  Unknown: What are you gonna say, Paul? Isn't it still voluntary though?
• 1:38:46
  Because Roger tells a story. A guy who
• 1:38:51
  he was drafted and he was supposed to report
• 1:38:54
  and
• 1:38:55
  because it was his last free night, he went out and royally tied one on, so he was just dragging butt the next day.
• 1:39:03
  Well, Way put him on the bus and they took the
• 1:39:07
  guys to the induction center
• 1:39:08
  and leaning against the wall he fell asleep.
• 1:39:12
  And what the
• 1:39:13
  DI said
• 1:39:14
  was,
• 1:39:16
  okay, everybody that wants to volunteer step forward, everybody else but him stepped forward,
• 1:39:21
  they went to Fort Ord and he got put back on the bus and sent home. And the next time
• 1:39:28
  he was there when they said, 'Everybody
• 1:39:32
  that wants to volunteer step forward', he did step forward and he went on the bus to Fort Ord.
• 1:39:39
  If
• 1:39:40
  the conscription
• 1:39:41
  is
• 1:39:42
  if
• 1:39:43
  they're doing it
• 1:39:46
  without your consent,
• 1:39:49
  that's a violation of slavery,
• 1:39:51
  anti slavery,
• 1:39:53
  and
• 1:39:54
  England has the Free Soil Doctrine.
• 1:39:56
  There are no slaves in England,
• 1:39:59
  so even though
• 1:40:02
  I don't know, I don't know, it
• 1:40:04
  could be a double edged sword,
• 1:40:08
  it could be a possibility,
• 1:40:10
  I just know that one story that Roger tells. Even if the impression is,
• 1:40:16
  or the presumption is, it's obligatory,
• 1:40:19
  I think there's still a voluntary component to it and if you're listening for that voluntary component and you just say no,
• 1:40:27
  then
• 1:40:28
  I think you can get out of it.
• 1:40:30
  Unknown: What do you think? Well, When my dad got his call up papers it said Territorial Army
• 1:40:39
  That is a volunteer army Territorial
• 1:40:42
  Future historians
• 1:40:44
  one of them Dennis Healy wrote a book about his war experiences
• 1:40:48
  and he said that my dad's army
• 1:40:52
  were
• 1:40:53
  all volunteers
• 1:40:54
  because he'd looked through the archives and it said Territory Army which was a complete and utter lie
• 1:40:59
  because they were conscripts
• 1:41:01
  That was to confuse future historians
• 1:41:04
  to make it look as if people were volunteering They weren't
• 1:41:08
  How you got out of it it was a minefield You had to have very rich parents to get out of it and very good lawyers
• 1:41:15
  because you actually sat on a court tribunal
• 1:41:18
  and you had to have money to bribe the right people
• 1:41:23
  That's as simple as that You could not get out of it
• 1:41:27
  They even closed the borders
• 1:41:29
  You just couldn't escape
• 1:41:31
  That's slavery
• 1:41:32
  Unknown: They've
• 1:41:33
  been running ads recently
• 1:41:35
  think NATO
• 1:41:36
  put one together with all these Europeans saying I'll fight for Europe or some gibberish like this It
• 1:41:42
  looks lame to me and I'm hoping that it looks lame to young people I mean I think there is enough
• 1:41:49
  realistic cynicism I mean some of the ones that I speak to really they're all on the ball they just know it's a lot of
• 1:41:54
  guff
• 1:41:55
  So that's
• 1:41:57
  what I'm kind of I just think it's a psychological exercise of a different type
• 1:42:01
  It's like we I mean really what they're saying is hey we're the people that are responsible for destroying your country
• 1:42:07
  and you've got to go off and defend it now
• 1:42:11
  and oh what was the other thing Yeah migrants can't go into the services
• 1:42:15
  So they say we've brought actual invaders in
• 1:42:19
  which we're calling migrants but we brought them in They're telling it to your face
• 1:42:23
  you know we did this but you're gonna go off and die and your women and children be left here at home but don't worry they'll be safe Of course they don't mean that at all The whole thing is to actually deplete us both internally at home and to have the
• 1:42:36
  remnant of the best of us in terms of physical fighting men possibly go over there and die again
• 1:42:42
  and then this will be the last one
• 1:42:44
  There won't any
• 1:42:46
  sort of strength left in the nation to recover much for two hundred years I would have thought it'll take ages you'd need multiple generations of undisturbed peace which seems unlikely given the way things are going And you know what these
• 1:42:58
  Unknown: people on the rubber boats are of military age They won't be serving in the military Their job will be to do what's happening in Ukraine drag people of military age off the streets and press gang them into the army Possibly That's
• 1:43:11
  what I think they'll probably be used for
• 1:43:13
  Unknown: I think it might be difficult it might be different over here I don't know I mean I just saw that Andy Burnham as well thinks
• 1:43:20
  it's wrong that they can't drink beer at football matches
• 1:43:23
  right Because they banned it back in nineteen eighty odd
• 1:43:27
  Maybe there are some people that think it is wrong because you can drink beer at a Rugby League match apparently and he thought that this was wrong But I just immediately smelled a rat I thought the idea was to get them all popped up and then that you know
• 1:43:39
  I just suspect I don't trust anything that they do There's always an ulterior motive It's never straightforward Never they want to make your life better this is a lie Every single time it's to actually deceive you into another mode of behaviour which they're then going to subsequently take advantage of something like that I mean I don't want to read too much into it I think I mentioned here my local football club all the supporters not that I've been there although my son went along the other week and said it was pretty good I think it was about £20 for a ticket This is for a sort of lower division thing They didn't want to go up because if they went into the next league they couldn't drink beer
• 1:44:09
  So they actually were really relieved when they failed to get promotion
• 1:44:14
  So they had to stay in the same league so they could have a beer on a Saturday afternoon It's not a huge crowd I don't know whether they get eight you know maybe I don't know a couple of thousand people or whatever but still
• 1:44:23
  anyway we kind of gone off the point a little bit although the price of beer is going up and that's another repercussion of bankers being involved in things that they shouldn't be involved with
• 1:44:33
  I think John that what you're doing really though in terms of certainly
• 1:44:37
  with the book and the illustrations just going back to this point and that kind of approach is definitely worthy of more
• 1:44:43
  We just need more product as it were and more organized approach you know to get this
• 1:44:47
  material into more hands Maybe we could get the school teachers to teach it in what's
• 1:44:52
  left of the English school system
• 1:44:54
  Unknown: Yes
• 1:44:56
  we will all do what we can
• 1:45:00
  just get the feeling in my long life and I'm very ancient that
• 1:45:04
  this is a very special time Everything's coming to a boil now
• 1:45:08
  We have to go to succeeding
• 1:45:10
  this or we're not
• 1:45:25
  Unknown: Yeah
• 1:45:26
  I agree with you I
• 1:45:28
  Unknown: think we need to organize Well
• 1:45:31
  Unknown: when is
• 1:45:33
  Follid telling you what's wrong and what's got to be done The one thing they never talk about is this which pulls the rug under away from all these other ghastly things that are happening in the world
• 1:45:44
  It's just key to everything to get everyone to understand
• 1:45:47
  this debt slavery
• 1:45:50
  and how we
• 1:45:52
  are all
• 1:45:53
  the prisoners of money and the people who supply the money control us
• 1:45:58
  Unknown: We are prisoners of money that's a good phrase I like that it's true we are
• 1:46:03
  I suppose this is why fellow inmates don't like you pointing it out to them it's very distressing
• 1:46:09
  Unknown: we're
• 1:46:10
  the ones that made the money we funded our own slavery and I think the only way out of it is to actually create homeschooling
• 1:46:17
  groups and cooperative organizations where parents
• 1:46:21
  can get together and get their children a solid
• 1:46:26
  functional
• 1:46:27
  education
• 1:46:28
  because
• 1:46:29
  any educator in the public school system or the corporate
• 1:46:33
  school system that tried to go off curriculum and teach their kids the way things really were, they didn't have a job very long. So I don't think that the teachers are going to be the help I think it's the parents taking responsibility
• 1:46:47
  for the next generation
• 1:46:49
  Yeah
• 1:46:50
  I think
• 1:46:53
  Unknown: Yeah
• 1:46:55
  Unknown: well you know we had there was a lady on last week John
• 1:46:58
  Didi from Cabi C A B I have you heard of them no I haven't they're very interesting and I'm hoping to have her back on again at least one time this year so and that will happen But also I think there's another guy that's behind it called John They're out of Kurnow which is the actual
• 1:47:17
  the true old name for Cornwall and they're under a different sort of law framework They're not completely signed up in things can they've got a bit more
• 1:47:25
  wriggle room to do certain things I'm just being very generalistic because I have to be because I don't know a great deal about it or not enough about it at this moment in time
• 1:47:33
  But they've got nearly 9,000 members and these are just the sorts of people that understand this topic that they're applying practical solutions to people and building it up in that way
• 1:47:45
  When a thing gets to a certain size it can explode massively The
• 1:47:49
  challenge is it's like a communications challenge how to boil these things down simply
• 1:47:54
  to get them across I mentioned here know if we had a bunch of money or a bunch of currency because it's not money that we use if we had some purchasing power a good use of it would be if we could find one would be to set up like an advertising and promotions agency with fully paid staff working flat out to develop all of the communications that are needed There's no shortage of information and truth and facts to tell
• 1:48:18
  It's how we tell them how we literally how we spin them It's got to be done that way to hold the viewer or the listener's attention So they go oh yeah
• 1:48:26
  So
• 1:48:28
  it's just a task that's yet to be done mean there have been you know like we've talked had
• 1:48:33
  oh his name's jumped out of my head now we were talking about the Bradbury pound the other week with Justin Walker
• 1:48:39
  was on and you know that's a great that's a thing in our history that absolutely dynamically worked
• 1:48:45
  and no one knows about it in real terms You
• 1:48:48
  know relatively speaking a handful of people in this nation know about it
• 1:48:53
  It's
• 1:48:54
  not within living memory I think he said the last one went out about nineteen twenty three-twenty four So we're just past one hundred years since it was completely expunged from the system But its effects were exactly what you know will happen if the people get to use a non debt bearing non interest bearing
• 1:49:13
  purchasing unit
• 1:49:14
  It was currency but it was made by the Treasury But then you've got to hold the Treasury to account and of course the usual
• 1:49:21
  vermin will come around as they did then and bend the Treasury out of whack and start to apply pressure to their placemen within the lobbying
• 1:49:30
  circles let's call it that they all start yelling like mad and applying pressure and people buckle under it It's because you know even if we had a bunch of good men going into politics
• 1:49:41
  they'd go in good but after a couple of years most of them would have gone rotten It's a bad place to send good people
• 1:49:47
  because they're just going to be sort of infected by the disease that's in all the rest of them It is possible
• 1:49:52
  Unknown: historically
• 1:49:54
  I've
• 1:49:57
  dug into it and I think that
• 1:50:00
  King Arthur in 700 and something he was
• 1:50:04
  the King of Mercia which was part of the sort of group of
• 1:50:07
  nations which made up England
• 1:50:09
  He banned usury
• 1:50:11
  and then King Alfred who was the first King of the English
• 1:50:17
  it was even more severe and then there was King Edward in ten
• 1:50:21
  sixty something rather who
• 1:50:26
  threw them all out
• 1:50:28
  And then of course they all came back in They funded William the Conqueror's invasion
• 1:50:33
  and they invaded
• 1:50:35
  in England And then I've read that within two generations
• 1:50:39
  a third of all English land was in the hands of usurers
• 1:50:43
  A hundred years later a couple of hundred years later
• 1:50:46
  there
• 1:50:47
  were statutes forbidding usury and then it was King Edward I can't remember which the first I think although there was an Anglo Saxon one earlier
• 1:50:56
  threw them all out
• 1:50:58
  It was a golden age in England There were one hundred and sixty holy days plus
• 1:51:03
  That's where we get the word holiday
• 1:51:06
  There was probably about months of holiday for the labouring man to dance around the maypole and probably give his labour
• 1:51:12
  freely to build these great cathedrals which appeared in those
• 1:51:15
  ages And of the
• 1:51:17
  every three or four miles a beautiful
• 1:51:20
  stone church with glass windows and a steeple
• 1:51:23
  which all bear
• 1:51:26
  testimony to this golden age which went on
• 1:51:29
  until
• 1:51:30
  I mean these
• 1:51:32
  people they're like hyenas looking for
• 1:51:35
  weak prey and a weak deer in a herd and if they can see trouble there
• 1:51:41
  was trouble in England religious trouble great division
• 1:51:45
  And
• 1:51:46
  William the I'm
• 1:51:47
  sure you know all of this all you people listening but
• 1:51:52
  they funded
• 1:51:55
  Oliver Cromwell's
• 1:51:58
  rebellion
• 1:51:59
  Unknown: Yeah we're not fans of Oliver
• 1:52:01
  Unknown: No no we're not
• 1:52:04
  And he brought them back in again and we've had them ever since But you can see in the past when people couldn't read and write they understood this form they periodically
• 1:52:13
  ran these scoundrels up and throw them out
• 1:52:17
  Unknown: Yes
• 1:52:18
  And the interesting
• 1:52:20
  thing is that there have been several events that have been good like the ones that you're describing and yet for some
• 1:52:25
  reason it recedes or falls from memory or there's a way through that breaches the defense mechanism again It's as if our firewall is not strong enough to keep it out
• 1:52:36
  Unknown: All
• 1:52:40
  we hear about the Middle Ages which was the golden age in England for hundreds of years is the Black Death
• 1:52:46
  I mean the whole country was sort of free to everybody
• 1:52:50
  And you know it was plenty of common land before another great crime in England was the enclosures act mainly in the vicinity Yes
• 1:52:58
  Where you could keep a goat and a cow and it probably only it didn't take you six days a week eight hours a day to earn your living You could probably do it in two and a half days
• 1:53:09
  Unknown: Yeah I think we've talked about the working day of certain people at that time were
• 1:53:14
  of a normal working day They were working about four hours They took sort of an hour and a half two hours for lunch they worked a couple of hours in the morning and they were only working twenty six weeks of the year
• 1:53:24
  The rest of the time was building those buildings Yes
• 1:53:28
  Unknown: probably
• 1:53:29
  I mean the church used to share power with the government if you like or with the King in those days They probably invented his holy church so they had all this free
• 1:53:37
  labour to help them construct those things which was all foot Yeah it's we've
• 1:53:42
  Unknown: got to get back to that again But by God we've got to find It's some kind of a defence mechanism mean I do think that it is the law in the end that the abuse of the you know once the money power rises the first port of call is to basically pervert the courts in its favor
• 1:53:58
  Yeah This is the first because if that is supposed to be the place where firm clear decisions are made about the operations of your nation
• 1:54:06
  if they're perverted it's just a matter of time before it goes under And this has happened again and again and again and again and then you get the proliferation of law I don't know many millions we're supposed to have but it becomes a complete bewilderment to the peasant So it can't be law if normal
• 1:54:22
  people can't grasp it like they can grasp we can all grasp the 10 commandments because there's 10 of them and they cover 98% of everything that's ever going happen the sheer complications of the law
• 1:54:33
  you know you only have to I reference this one but look at the Court of Chancery as described by Dickens in Bleak House The
• 1:54:40
  Courts of Equity I mean it's just it's brilliant the way he describes it You know this court case that's droning on
• 1:54:47
  and that lawyers have been born into it died out of it made a fortune and it's still going on because it's in their interest to keep it perpetuate
• 1:54:56
  this situation
• 1:54:57
  where they can parasitically drain energy from from the target
• 1:55:04
  affects I mean there's nothing everything that once you've got this sort of little key about the financial
• 1:55:09
  so called system
• 1:55:11
  so much gets
• 1:55:12
  clarified very very quickly because you look at that as the motive know it really is true Follow the money or the purchasing power and you're going to get very close to it I've thought you know we need a novel of Holmes We revive Holmes and Watson because he's out of literary copyright now So many people are writing these things
• 1:55:30
  often thought Holmes and Watson at the Nuremberg trials would be a hoot I'd love that And also Holmes and Watson
• 1:55:37
  go to the city and start nosing around in the Inns of Court and who actually owns the Bank of England we've got to get some plot going
• 1:55:45
  would work Popular fiction works Stories are the most powerful way to get these things across as you've illustrated really with your book I just think it's you
• 1:55:56
  know as blokes we tend to go facty I do and everybody gets drawn into the detail and it's definitely important I'm not dismissing it at all but there's got to be a way of sort of delivering it like a theater production a musical
• 1:56:08
  but
• 1:56:10
  something like that you know to get it across
• 1:56:13
  Unknown: Yes
• 1:56:14
  make a play of it Exactly Absolutely
• 1:56:17
  Unknown: Well
• 1:56:18
  John look it's been great having you on We're just coming up to nearly 10:00 and we
• 1:56:24
  wish you all the best going forward with your new book I'm going to just big you up for that even though it might take you a little while But I want to stay in touch with you anyway because I think we need to find some ways of championing your booking and finding ways so that people can actually buy it from some kind of a club or whatever we're going to call this thing so that we have some system of really spreading the word in a more effective way I mean there's got to be ways that have been really effective in the past I do think it comes down to
• 1:56:53
  as well the moral fiber of the people I know that sounds highfaludian but it really is Our laws are for a moral and ethical people and if we've got a lot of people that are not in that condition yet we've got to find a way of nudging them in that direction as well
• 1:57:06
  There are so many examples you just cited from history where it's worked
• 1:57:11
  and these things are buried
• 1:57:13
  These are buried really from the public consciousness you know
• 1:57:19
  Unknown: Any last words Anything you want to say to just wrap up here Not at all not at all But I thank you so much I extend my gratitude to you for involving me in your conversation which is
• 1:57:31
  very entertaining and informative
• 1:57:34
  and I thank you
• 1:57:36
  Unknown: John it's just been fantastic having you here and shout out to Maria who arranged this
• 1:57:42
  She's doing fantastic she just keeps throwing people at me and I went I know John Briggs because I remember the book mean not that I knew you because we hadn't spoken before but I was fully aware of what you'd done it's been wonderful having you here and just getting a almost a gentler but no less incisive perspective on the whole thing The way you put things across I like it It's simpler
• 1:58:01
  and simplicity is the key for a lot of these things think it is so wonderful
• 1:58:05
  That's great John
• 1:58:07
  Super I'll be in touch We'll have you back again at some point maybe over the winter months We'll do that Thank you so much Paul That'd be great And
• 1:58:17
  Unknown: what you're doing is great stuff and I'm
• 1:58:20
  Unknown: so grateful for it That's great fantastic it's been really good
• 1:58:25
  That's good That's
• 1:58:27
  John Briggs everybody
• 1:58:29
  So we're coming to the end of our time slot on WBN three twenty four
• 1:58:35
  So we'll say goodbye to you all now So bye we'll see you at the same time next week We're carrying on Monica Shafer should be joining us shortly
• 1:58:42
  I did get a message from her earlier today I can't believe it's the last Thursday of the month but it is here on the twentieth It's a very short month September so this is as late as the last Thursday ever could be the twenty fourth I think We couldn't actually get it much later than that
• 1:58:55
  Anyway because I was up there the other day at this little memorial thing we were talking about certain bits of music that we used to play and we used to play a couple of Chuck Berry songs so I'm gonna play them for you now how about that we don't do this really and they're short they're only a couple of minutes each so that's why we're gonna do two back to back and
• 1:59:10
  these always went down gangbusters with us we quite liked all this kind of stuff Great lyric writer by the way Chuck Berry I think really very very good The first song is called Let It Rock I just thought I would do my BBC Radio four thing followed by Nadine which is a blast We'll see you on the other side of these ones everybody Bye for now Just momentarily
• 2:00:44
  Unknown: Everybody's scrambling and jumping around
• 2:00:46
  Picking up the money, turn the TV down A foolin' worth a panic bob to go insane
• 2:00:52
  Trying to get
• 2:03:37
  Unknown: She moves around like a wayward summer breeze Don't you think that's a good line I do I wonder if Monica Schafer moves around like a wayward summer breeze Monica hi good evening welcome to the show
• 2:03:52
  Monica where have you gone
• 2:03:54
  Unknown: Yes
• 2:03:55
  hello
• 2:03:57
  hello
• 2:04:01
  hello you not
• 2:04:03
  Unknown: Yeah can hear you Oh we can hear you now You must have been moving around like a wayward summer breeze in front of the microphone and therefore we couldn't hear you you see But we can hear you now loud and clear How are you Very very
• 2:04:15
  Unknown: yeah very
• 2:04:16
  I'm
• 2:04:18
  all right It's kind of heavy week
• 2:04:22
  and I will tell you why but
• 2:04:25
  yeah
• 2:04:26
  it's a
• 2:04:27
  heavy week with
• 2:04:28
  what has happened
• 2:04:30
  and
• 2:04:32
  yeah it's about my brother So
• 2:04:35
  you're almost the first to hear
• 2:04:37
  about it I haven't yet sort of composed a message which I would send out to everybody
• 2:04:43
  I have
• 2:04:44
  talked to a couple of people on FTJ media about it just an hour ago and that's it
• 2:04:51
  the
• 2:04:52
  trial is done
• 2:04:53
  So
• 2:04:55
  I can talk about that So would you like me to talk about that or do you have other nice I think you'd like to talk about it So want to talk what you'd like to talk about Monica This is your spot So please fire away Yeah okay Well it's pretty important
• 2:05:10
  As people
• 2:05:12
  know
• 2:05:13
  we are in a war There's
• 2:05:16
  no question that we are in a war So during wars you have prisoners of war
• 2:05:21
  and I mean people think of the conventional type of prisoner of war
• 2:05:26
  somebody who was captured by the enemy
• 2:05:30
  you know they got behind enemy lines or whatever they're being held in
• 2:05:36
  an encampment or wherever and they are a prisoner of war
• 2:05:40
  Now the current
• 2:05:42
  war that we are in was
• 2:05:44
  rather unconventional
• 2:05:47
  war and it's done through psychological
• 2:05:50
  warfare through lie exceptions
• 2:05:54
  and through
• 2:05:58
  impingement
• 2:05:58
  of what we are allowed to speak let alone what we are allowed to think and say
• 2:06:04
  Or yeah just what we can think the conclusions
• 2:06:08
  that we reach
• 2:06:09
  They must be in alignment with
• 2:06:12
  the state religion
• 2:06:15
  And the state religion is basically their take on history
• 2:06:19
  History is written by the victors
• 2:06:22
  Yes the victors write the history books and I found out that that's not
• 2:06:27
  just about choosing the font
• 2:06:30
  So when the victors write the history books
• 2:06:33
  I mean when I was a little girl and heard that statement being spoken
• 2:06:39
  I
• 2:06:40
  naively and my innocence thought well what difference does it make who writes the history books Whether it's the winners or the losers of war
• 2:06:48
  don't they just write the facts into books Like I could not conceive of
• 2:06:52
  somebody writing lies into books let alone through
• 2:06:56
  movies and
• 2:06:58
  and textbooks and the media everything
• 2:07:02
  around us that tells us lies That was not
• 2:07:06
  in my consciousness when I was a little girl and first heard that phrase the victors write the history books I think we all do understand now that that means that when the victors write the history books
• 2:07:19
  they
• 2:07:20
  do not
• 2:07:21
  necessarily
• 2:07:23
  tell us the truth
• 2:07:26
  about what happened or about historical events or about
• 2:07:30
  anything really So I'm just giving a little backdrop
• 2:07:35
  to
• 2:07:36
  what is going on So prisoners
• 2:07:41
  of war in all of our countries People who are in prison
• 2:07:46
  in actual prisons
• 2:07:48
  because
• 2:07:49
  not because they went
• 2:07:51
  robbed
• 2:07:52
  a bank or
• 2:07:54
  you know went around with an axe and started wielding an axe you know hurting people or or you know vandalizing
• 2:08:02
  or
• 2:08:03
  bombing places No because they said
• 2:08:06
  forbidden words and
• 2:08:09
  questioned
• 2:08:10
  the history we've been taught
• 2:08:12
  And they are like
• 2:08:14
  the messenger in the old saying don't shoot the messenger ' But in this case
• 2:08:20
  and I'm going to talk about my brother Alfred Schaefer
• 2:08:24
  they want to shoot the messenger
• 2:08:26
  Alfred
• 2:08:27
  has never done anything violent
• 2:08:30
  He has always been a peaceful man of words
• 2:08:34
  but they don't like his words
• 2:08:37
  And of course you know he has been in prison during this past year
• 2:08:41
  And now he went on trial September 7
• 2:08:45
  and it was meant to last ten days of trial
• 2:08:49
  meaning
• 2:08:51
  in total sit every day you know in the trial in the courthouse But anyway very
• 2:08:57
  unexpectedly
• 2:08:58
  it was over on Tuesday after four trial days It took everybody by surprise how quickly it went because they had
• 2:09:06
  this huge deal of issues against him
• 2:09:11
  Oliver
• 2:09:12
  spoke on online and you know videos and podcasts and whatnot since
• 2:09:17
  getting out in 2022
• 2:09:20
  after his
• 2:09:22
  longer jail
• 2:09:23
  stint
• 2:09:24
  from
• 2:09:26
  our trial in 2018
• 2:09:28
  Anyway so they've been watching him like a hawk and they gathered all these forbidden words and translated them nicely into German
• 2:09:36
  and then that was what he was on trial for It was over on Tuesday
• 2:09:42
  Now the prosecutor
• 2:09:44
  asked for six years
• 2:09:47
  and
• 2:09:48
  surprise surprise the judge
• 2:09:51
  gave him seven
• 2:09:53
  years
• 2:09:54
  Alfred
• 2:09:55
  is now
• 2:09:57
  to serve a seven
• 2:10:00
  year
• 2:10:01
  sentence
• 2:10:02
  in a German prison
• 2:10:04
  merely
• 2:10:06
  for
• 2:10:07
  being
• 2:10:08
  the weatherman
• 2:10:10
  talking about the storm that is upon us
• 2:10:13
  and warning us of the storm coming
• 2:10:17
  That is it I'll yield I'll pause
• 2:10:20
  Unknown: Well that's not good news
• 2:10:22
  Unknown: I'm sorry to hear that Monica
• 2:10:24
  I really am sorry to hear that
• 2:10:26
  I guessed when you mentioned when you first started that
• 2:10:30
  speaking that something like this would happen
• 2:10:34
  and it's
• 2:10:36
  really choked
• 2:10:39
  But
• 2:10:40
  what
• 2:10:42
  can we do
• 2:10:44
  What can we do
• 2:10:46
  to get him out of there
• 2:10:49
  Unknown: Well
• 2:10:51
  keep doing what we're doing to the best of our ability and don't
• 2:10:55
  One thing that he would
• 2:10:59
  would just be the worst that we can do is
• 2:11:02
  go more quiet because we are all afraid That would be the worst thing that we can do
• 2:11:08
  Because that's
• 2:11:10
  you see the enemy those who are at war against us
• 2:11:14
  they
• 2:11:16
  do not like somebody like Alfred because Alfred's spirit is
• 2:11:20
  inimitable
• 2:11:21
  Is that the word Indomitable
• 2:11:24
  Indomitable
• 2:11:25
  Unknown: it is It is He's
• 2:11:28
  always full of life His spirit
• 2:11:31
  Unknown: know I mean kind of
• 2:11:33
  say this with
• 2:11:35
  humour in their voice They'll say Oh I need a dose of Alfred
• 2:11:39
  I need a dose of Alfred because
• 2:11:41
  he's getting down about things I need a dose of Alfred know he always gets
• 2:11:45
  people up
• 2:11:46
  And he's indomitable
• 2:11:49
  his spirit is and he still is From
• 2:11:55
  all reports he is in good health and
• 2:11:58
  he was not
• 2:12:00
  bowing down to their
• 2:12:02
  narrative or whatever
• 2:12:04
  strong as ever
• 2:12:06
  And to go a little bit more into detail about some of the things that happened in the trial that were you know some positive things like
• 2:12:14
  and everybody
• 2:12:16
  will be happy to hear those things But anyway just to continue on this line that what we can do
• 2:12:23
  is
• 2:12:24
  I
• 2:12:25
  just say you know we
• 2:12:29
  turn it up Don't turn down
• 2:12:32
  the
• 2:12:34
  volume or the effort or whatever Turn it up
• 2:12:37
  And
• 2:12:38
  you know it is a war of
• 2:12:41
  I mean
• 2:12:43
  by deception thou shalt make war That is the
• 2:12:47
  Mossad motto
• 2:12:49
  And they've
• 2:12:51
  done that over the
• 2:12:53
  not just the years the decades the centuries
• 2:12:57
  even though that
• 2:12:58
  institution exists over the centuries
• 2:13:00
  but that is the modus operandum
• 2:13:04
  I mean it's biblical right
• 2:13:07
  Yes John 44
• 2:13:09
  I think
• 2:13:11
  spells it out
• 2:13:15
  okay
• 2:13:17
  I mean telling the truth
• 2:13:20
  There's a book by Gerrit Meneuen called Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
• 2:13:25
  Yes Very apt title
• 2:13:27
  that just flew into my mind
• 2:13:30
  So Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
• 2:13:33
  I mean why would they be so afraid of a man like Alfred
• 2:13:37
  You see because a man like Alfred he's go around and do violence and club people I mean those kind things they let them out very easy You know they might go into prison for a week and then they let them out That's the intended purpose Let the hooligans out cosmic chaos
• 2:13:53
  But people like Alfred who is unafraid
• 2:13:56
  I mean you have to say he's unafraid
• 2:13:59
  He is fearless
• 2:14:00
  and speak
• 2:14:03
  clearly
• 2:14:04
  And
• 2:14:06
  they
• 2:14:06
  are very afraid of somebody like Alfred And this actually I have to always find myself
• 2:14:12
  what does that mean That means that they haven't got this all
• 2:14:18
  sewn up and
• 2:14:19
  won They
• 2:14:21
  don't have
• 2:14:23
  their desired
• 2:14:24
  you know Oh it doesn't matter what anybody says because we've got it anyway We've got it all just up and in a bag And that's
• 2:14:32
  obviously not because then they wouldn't care about people like Alfred and all the other political dissidents that don't agree with the government and they become prisoners of war
• 2:14:41
  Or you know political
• 2:14:44
  prisoner
• 2:14:45
  There's different ways of describing this
• 2:14:48
  this situation with people going to prison for words.
• 2:14:52
  Mhmm. They're a political prisoner. What does that mean? That means they are a dissident. They don't agree with the government. The government that they tell us is such a wonderful democracy. You know? Like, we have freedom of speech. Don't you know? It's government for the people of the people by the people
• 2:15:06
  Oh my goodness what does that mean That's what we were taught when I was in school
• 2:15:10
  I
• 2:15:12
  Unknown: think you all learned that too right Well we know of it We didn't get phrases quite so pithy and as accurate as that but we have been led to believe that we live in a free nation
• 2:15:23
  although most people
• 2:15:26
  are not experiencing that
• 2:15:30
  Unknown: got that in school big time
• 2:15:34
  Like a mantra:
• 2:15:36
  government by the people for the people of the people That's what democracy is and we have the best
• 2:15:43
  system we have the best country on the face of this earth And they just really
• 2:15:49
  made us believe you know freedom of speech freedom of the press So what that does is it inoculates you against
• 2:15:58
  ever having a skeptical mind about what they are telling us because if we have total freedom of speech and freedom of the press, well then they could only tell us the truth because if somebody stepped out of line and didn't tell us the truth, the others would step in and say, wait a minute. That's not quite true Like they'd hold each other accountable
• 2:16:15
  because we have this freedom of speech
• 2:16:19
  freedom of the press freedom of thought freedom of everything you know government for the people by the people of the people And Canada meanwhile
• 2:16:26
  mean know Alfred is in Germany and I've been speaking about
• 2:16:30
  Alfred but Canada where I am and where Alfred grew up where we all grew up we
• 2:16:37
  grew up in kind of like what felt like a utopia
• 2:16:41
  growing up in the 60s and 70s
• 2:16:44
  And it turns out
• 2:16:46
  we
• 2:16:47
  have been going down this road to communism
• 2:16:51
  at quite a
• 2:16:53
  headlong
• 2:16:54
  full
• 2:16:55
  force speed
• 2:16:56
  And we have reached it And
• 2:16:59
  of course then you look at European
• 2:17:02
  countries and what's going on there and the flooding the open borders all those things that are going on I mean we're in a war I I I know it's redundant to say those words on this show with you.
• 2:17:14
  You all know this, and probably your listeners know that too.
• 2:17:18
  But it it cannot be
• 2:17:21
  overstated actually It's literal Like people it's not symbolic It's not just a phrase to try to make a you know to try to exaggerate the state of affairs No we are
• 2:17:34
  in
• 2:17:35
  a war
• 2:17:36
  It's not conventional like bombs
• 2:17:40
  dropping on your I was gonna say domes dropping on your heads bombs dropping on your heads I
• 2:17:47
  Unknown: wix my merds all the time Do you Anyway well I do You know the thing about the war thing is and it just taps into what you were saying I think a couple of minutes ago about speech about words
• 2:17:58
  is
• 2:17:59
  obviously
• 2:18:01
  conflict of interests arise all the time in your life It might be over who's next in the bathroom and this that and the other okay
• 2:18:07
  but in most situations where civilized people exist
• 2:18:13
  then you are able to resolve your conflicts through communication
• 2:18:17
  That's the idea isn't it That's the reason
• 2:18:20
  why freedom of speech exists so that there has to be given due care and consideration to the thoughts and words of the other party or parties
• 2:18:28
  If that's denied us which of course they say it isn't you've got freedom of speech but when you begin to exercise it as obviously
• 2:18:38
  your brother is Alfred is committed to that which is noble and right
• 2:18:44
  and we have to sort of find ways all of us individuals how we're going to deal with that
• 2:18:50
  But that basically puts you in a state of war If you cannot resolve a conflict
• 2:18:55
  through communication
• 2:18:58
  that's what is brought about and it's Obviously by these other parties due to a they
• 2:19:03
  must I don't know quite
• 2:19:05
  I'm glad I'm not them
• 2:19:08
  It's
• 2:19:09
  tragic that Alfred is gonna do these seven years maybe he will get remission or something don't know quite how it works over there maybe they just have got a bee in their bonnet about him right now because as you rightly said his spirit is so strong
• 2:19:22
  and this highlights their lack of it would imagine you know the persons I'm talking about the individuals that were involved in the court what they're like not that I want to know too much
• 2:19:32
  and they're of a certain type
• 2:19:34
  They're defending something that's really indefensible
• 2:19:37
  to shut a man up I mean this is obviously not the first time in history there've been all sorts of punitive measures taken against all sorts of people up and down the line who've stepped forward with an idea that threatens their power Whether it does the people any good or not is irrelevant to them and I think that this is obviously part of it So we are placed in a position of war
• 2:19:58
  which I'm defining as a condition where you cannot resolve the dispute
• 2:20:02
  through communication
• 2:20:03
  If that's denied
• 2:20:05
  what have you got left Force and they've applied it haven't they That's
• 2:20:09
  Unknown: exactly right Paul What
• 2:20:12
  have they got
• 2:20:13
  If they cannot
• 2:20:16
  use
• 2:20:17
  evidence
• 2:20:17
  and facts
• 2:20:19
  and words to refute
• 2:20:21
  somebody else's words
• 2:20:23
  that they don't like, they have to use force.
• 2:20:27
  And this is exactly what they have done. It is a form of violence.
• 2:20:31
  It's a form of violence. Okay, you might say, well, it's not they didn't murder him. They didn't kill him.
• 2:20:38
  They didn't do that. But it's force to take somebody and
• 2:20:42
  lock them away, to lock them up. That is the use of force, state force
• 2:20:47
  against their own citizens.
• 2:20:50
  So
• 2:20:51
  going back to what you said a few minutes ago, Paul,
• 2:20:55
  about
• 2:20:56
  resolving disputes
• 2:20:58
  well children are taught that
• 2:21:01
  Parents
• 2:21:02
  and teachers will try to get children instead of punching each other out they'll try to teach them to use your words use your words
• 2:21:10
  Sometimes I think they
• 2:21:12
  overdo that and I think children should go rough and tumble a little bit more actually I think some of that is overdone and they're turning them into all little wussies
• 2:21:21
  but still you know we
• 2:21:23
  we are taught to use words. So if we cannot use words, what is left?
• 2:21:28
  If we cannot use words, I mean, we've already discussed what they are doing because they don't have
• 2:21:33
  facts and evidence to refute to the words that we do use. We try to use words. We're trying to do the right thing using words
• 2:21:40
  Yep They cannot
• 2:21:42
  refute those words with facts and evidence That's why they actually make
• 2:21:46
  evidence illegal
• 2:21:48
  in the court I am serious and I can you know go into that and I think we've talked about that before but they'll criminalize you further if you bring your evidence into the court. Like, they will not allow you to bring forth your own evidence in the court. They'll put you in jail. Like, they did Sylvia Stoltz
• 2:22:02
  who was defending Earth Dundell. They actually threw her in jail for doing her job too well as a lawyer
• 2:22:08
  actually bringing evidence into the court. Again, somebody,
• 2:22:11
  you know, who doesn't didn't go around wielding an axe in the courtroom, and that's why they had to throw her into jail. No. She was a lawyer doing her job too well.
• 2:22:20
  Okay. So yeah. And now you asked about or you said, well, hopefully, like, is there a possibility of remission? I do not know of any
• 2:22:29
  German political prisoners who were ever let out early.
• 2:22:33
  I don't know There might be some I don't know of any Ernst Sandel he served the full five years up to the very day
• 2:22:41
  and so did we Alfred and I so far and others as well They don't let peaceful
• 2:22:48
  you know like thought criminals I put that in big quotation marks they don't let those kinds of quote unquote criminals out early but they do let out any other
• 2:22:59
  criminals that have done violent crime Let's say if they're on their first prison stint and they're on good behavior in the prison they could let them out after half time or two thirds
• 2:23:10
  that type of thing Yeah
• 2:23:12
  And
• 2:23:15
  I made another note here but I didn't finish it So I forgot I lost the train of thought on the next thing that I was going to respond to all the wonderful things you said
• 2:23:24
  Unknown: Oh I know all the things that you've said think it's
• 2:23:29
  I feel awkward listening to you not in the sense
• 2:23:33
  it's not that I'm sad, I'm sort of irritated by it. Do you know what I mean? On Alfred's behalf. I'm sure he's I'm not sure of anything. Don't know. I shouldn't say that I'm not sure of any of these things It's just that you've just used the word ' court ' and the way I envisage a court that institution that he's just been in and he's not alone in
• 2:23:55
  isn't one
• 2:23:56
  is it
• 2:23:57
  It isn't one A court is supposed to be a place where communication
• 2:24:02
  within the guidelines of communication
• 2:24:04
  so you obviously you know there are certain things like leading questions and all this kind of stuff I understand that that makes sense comprehend
• 2:24:11
  that trying to set defendants
• 2:24:13
  up to actually convict themselves through deceit
• 2:24:16
  But the whole thing has developed
• 2:24:18
  into an arena of verbal
• 2:24:20
  jousting that's got nothing to do with actually
• 2:24:23
  coming to a sound judgment This obviously
• 2:24:26
  it appears like allegedly I've got to keep using that word to cut Yeah my backside right
• 2:24:32
  Unknown: I think the biggest problem with these so called courts and you're absolutely right it's not really what we envision as what would be a court where
• 2:24:41
  one side presents their case and the other side presents
• 2:24:45
  their case which would include presenting evidence
• 2:24:48
  and
• 2:24:49
  the arguments that they would make to
• 2:24:52
  back up the conclusions they have reached whatever all those things right
• 2:24:56
  That would be what you would expect could happen
• 2:24:59
  in a court
• 2:25:01
  where you have been charged
• 2:25:03
  with saying XYZ
• 2:25:05
  It doesn't matter what it is Just you are not allowed to say XYZ
• 2:25:08
  You did say XYZ You go to court so you present
• 2:25:13
  your case
• 2:25:15
  And then the judge you can have that image of the blindfold
• 2:25:18
  on the judge and having the weigh scale there and that you know you weigh the evidence on one side you weigh the evidence on one side against the other side and then the judge makes the judgment However
• 2:25:30
  in this case this is how it is in Germany anyway
• 2:25:33
  you
• 2:25:35
  commit new crime
• 2:25:37
  if
• 2:25:38
  you as the defendant
• 2:25:40
  bring your evidence to the court or you explain
• 2:25:44
  how you reached your conclusions
• 2:25:48
  which is exactly what happened during our trial in 2018 that Alfred was told a number of times by the judge
• 2:25:55
  Oh I have to give you warning Stop right there If you continue along that line then you are committing new crime And then Alfred he
• 2:26:04
  listened to that and then he said Well you're wanting to throw me in jail for six million years anyway and I am just speaking the truth
• 2:26:13
  and I shall continue to speak And then he would continue to speak and the prosecutor was writing furiously
• 2:26:21
  at Alfred's words And it does turn out that then
• 2:26:25
  Alfred had a thirty eight month verdict at that time in 2018
• 2:26:29
  and then he was back in court in 2019
• 2:26:32
  for things that he said and did during our
• 2:26:35
  trial and the judge slapped on an extra ten months The prosecutor at that time was calling
• 2:26:42
  for much more twenty four months or whatever
• 2:26:46
  and the judge gave ten more months to make it an even four years at that time you see Now
• 2:26:53
  here's the thing Prosecutors
• 2:26:55
  I always thought
• 2:26:57
  that
• 2:26:58
  Okay the prosecutor is making the case Okay this is bad man criminal criminal bad man Max They're going to call for a very high sentence,
• 2:27:06
  like a really long prison term. And then, of course, the defense
• 2:27:11
  is defending the
• 2:27:15
  accused and is going to go the other way. They're going to argue that
• 2:27:20
  this man is innocent or let's say in another case like it doesn't matter what the crime is Let's just say there's some crime that yeah it's clear they did the crime they'll try to
• 2:27:30
  alleviate the sentencing by giving all the factors that you know should you know should get a light sentence they're always there's this yin yang you know there's the pull by the prosecutor to make a big big big sentence and then the pull from the other side to make no sentence or a small sentence And
• 2:27:47
  usually at least this is what I thought
• 2:27:50
  the judge's
• 2:27:51
  verdict and sentencing
• 2:27:53
  verdict will be somewhere in between
• 2:27:55
  Now how
• 2:27:57
  common is it for this not to be the case? Because the prosecutor
• 2:28:02
  and in fact, my sister-in-law was saying that she spoke very
• 2:28:06
  calmly and almost like reserved. I think maybe she
• 2:28:09
  sensed and knew and recognized that this judge has it out for Alfred. This judge absolutely hates Alfred and has a venom for Alfred. And so the prosecutor was holding back and spoke very just kind of matter of fact and calmly and clearly and then called for six months, six years, six years. And then the judge
• 2:28:29
  apparently
• 2:28:31
  spoke in a tone of voice that was really kind of a screechy
• 2:28:34
  sort of the most negative stereotype you can think of for
• 2:28:38
  a woman judge And again all these female judges and Paul that goes very nicely back to our topic that we've
• 2:28:47
  talked about a number of times about women in
• 2:28:50
  politics and women in the whole thing the suffragette movement and
• 2:28:54
  that's
• 2:28:55
  a side topic I
• 2:28:57
  Unknown: think we've got to say it's not all women it's a certain one I think know Orwell
• 2:29:02
  tangentially sort of referred to that where he says something in 1984 where he said it was the young women particularly I'm paraphrasing from memory something like it was the young it was the women particularly the young women who were the most ardent advocates of the party and were the first
• 2:29:17
  to snitch as it were on anybody
• 2:29:20
  and
• 2:29:21
  to form a sort of PAC instinct around rooting out what they perceive to be anybody that might disturb the peace And I kind of understand that in a way
• 2:29:30
  when we go back into defenseless women in villages and not wanting anybody
• 2:29:35
  around you know if they think they're going be overpowered by men I get that but it's still that means it's not a good place
• 2:29:43
  in it would seem allegedly to have in an arena supposedly called a court which is not operating like one from
• 2:29:51
  Unknown: distance here as I hear it today It's very good It's very good that you jumped in and
• 2:29:57
  because I am a woman I have an easier time to say this what I just said right and we've had these discussions before so you as a man thank you very much for coming in to defend that you know they're not all going to be like that But you're right there are certain psychologies at play that
• 2:30:13
  make
• 2:30:14
  it
• 2:30:16
  I've concluded and you and I we've all talked about this that yeah
• 2:30:21
  perhaps women are not
• 2:30:24
  as suited to be in certain positions
• 2:30:27
  And I am
• 2:30:29
  probably
• 2:30:30
  a number of years back I would have been abhorred
• 2:30:33
  to hear my present self saying these things I would say Monica what's wrong with you Are you insane
• 2:30:39
  But here I am saying these things But anyway we're getting on a side topic here So this woman judge
• 2:30:45
  she kind of screeched
• 2:30:47
  in her final speech or verdict speech whatever you want to call it when they give their verdict and the sentencing and all that She was really in a horrible
• 2:30:57
  horrible tone of voice that would just
• 2:31:00
  make everybody shudder and
• 2:31:02
  very clearly full of hatred Everything that she's accusing Alfred of she's actually doing you know accusing Alfred of inciting hate Well I'm telling you she was having a real clear and open hate on for this man
• 2:31:16
  And yeah so there you go That's how that went Now back to this topic of
• 2:31:23
  would there be any possibility of remission that he's not in for that long I'll just say this: that Alfred
• 2:31:29
  every time he has gone into prison and this is the you know he's in jail He's been in jail since October 7 but this is his fourth
• 2:31:37
  jail stint
• 2:31:39
  every time he goes in
• 2:31:41
  I mean now especially when he gets a verdict of a sentence, an actual longer sentence, he's always so
• 2:31:47
  Unknown: upbeat and optimistic that, you know what? This regime is collapsing, and I'll be out long before that. You know what I mean? Because this regime is Well, I was thinking that as well. Yeah. Will there be a Germany to go back into the way things are? And I'm and England and everything the way that everything is currently going Yeah
• 2:32:03
  Unknown: And so then he feels that okay well this is collapsing It's going to collapse in on itself The snake is eating its own
• 2:32:10
  It starts with its own tail but then as it's
• 2:32:14
  eating its own tail it has to eat ever closer to the head It will eat itself up
• 2:32:19
  The snake will eat itself up And you know Alfred used to draw a lot of nice pictures like memes in his letters
• 2:32:26
  There's his famous butterfly meme That's another one But there's also the meme with this snake that's kind of circular because this the head is that makes a circle all the way to the tail It started eating it And of course by implication it's going to keep on eating it further But that's not where it ends The belly of the snake has worms He
• 2:32:46
  would draw worms onto the belly of the snake And guess who those worms are
• 2:32:50
  The worms are the what you call the Shabbat Goy
• 2:32:54
  the
• 2:32:55
  Gentiles who are traitors to our people the Gentiles who work
• 2:33:00
  for
• 2:33:01
  that
• 2:33:02
  unmentionables
• 2:33:03
  Unknown: The unmentionables
• 2:33:07
  Anyway I think
• 2:33:10
  it gets very difficult to know where one bit starts and the other bit ends as it were It's
• 2:33:15
  like an orientation I'm not trying to be sort of fae about it
• 2:33:19
  This sort of pattern of
• 2:33:23
  dictatorialness
• 2:33:25
  for want of a better word there is a better word than that but this sort of I'm the supreme power and you will do what I say
• 2:33:31
  That's
• 2:33:33
  what's going to happen Forget about the laws of God and the actual laws of nature
• 2:33:38
  I'm in charge here and you're gonna do that stuff That is a disease
• 2:33:42
  and it seems to spread amongst the whole coterie of people of a certain type Eric would would call them rightly I suppose we could say that they're sociopaths or psychopaths They might not have started off that way but they begin to attribute you know gain the same attributes as those people they behave in a similar way
• 2:34:00
  There's an imperviousness
• 2:34:01
  to your communication
• 2:34:03
  and I'm sure you've even you know even at less serious situations you've been in a situation where you're talking with someone and they're literally not
• 2:34:11
  don't exist basically
• 2:34:13
  They're so full of their own grandeur
• 2:34:15
  and you get this sort of haughty view of life and that you they just think of you as a worm I don't mind being thought of as a worm think it's really rather funny that they think about it like that But this is not a funny situation for Alfred Although no doubt given his attitude as you've expressed it here previously
• 2:34:32
  whenever he's been in this position
• 2:34:33
  I wouldn't say he thrives on it but he makes the best of it and will use it in a constructive way No doubt he will Thank you for clarifying that of course because it would be ridiculous to say
• 2:34:45
  Unknown: anyway
• 2:34:46
  you for clarifying that No he makes the best of any situation
• 2:34:50
  and he all always has all his life I have to tell you I mean
• 2:34:54
  he's my brother I grew up with him you know and I've always actually been
• 2:34:59
  an
• 2:35:00
  admirer of his
• 2:35:04
  way of
• 2:35:06
  seeing things in life where he's always seeing the silver lining of any cloud he makes the best of any situation no matter what happens this is from decades back well
• 2:35:17
  before we knew we were in this war I guess we were in a war back then we just didn't know it but we were in utopia back then We just were being you know set up Wasn't it nice
• 2:35:26
  wasn't That sort of ignorance is bliss type thing actually was for a little in comparison to these things you have to Oh we grew up in good times know you'd get a job wherever you looked for a job There'd be many choices of jobs Everything was going well and we grew up in very you know middle class white neighborhood
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  Things were functioning well Systems functioned well
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  It just things I mean it's not like everything was perfect perfect Of course there'd be your
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  there'd be some street fights that you'd hear about and there'd be this and that And of course you know
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  people get out of hand with this or that
• 2:36:03
  Not everybody's behavior was perfect all the time but generally society was functioning well It was a high trust society
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  We didn't lock our doors as the norm We didn't lock our doors except if we went on holidays I suppose you know if we went away for vacation And
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  that's how it was for everybody
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  And you know you could be out in the neighborhood Children could be playing out in the neighborhood Nobody was afraid for their children getting kidnapped off the neighborhood streets or whatever Like walked home from school You might have long distance to go home from school on your bicycle or whatever Like it was just high trust High trust is good functioning societies that we grew up in how fortunate Plus I think
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  I grew up sort of my generation
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  was I'd say the last generation
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  of where it was the norm
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  for our mothers to be home
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  That's what our like all my friends their mothers were at home moms you know that's what they did were at home and the father was the provider. There
• 2:37:05
  you go. And that changed rapidly
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  after that.
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  Rapidly.
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  It was astonishing how rapidly that changed. And the whole feminist
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  movement, that's what got that going, really. And there's so many other things that happen but back to Alfred if I might because I know this is gonna just fly by we're already
• 2:37:26
  yeah it's flying by two thirds over here almost it's nearly October it's nearly October Monica that's how fast the time's going yeah but just a couple of I mean is that where we're you know we've still got six days of September left but today was your day It was meant to be So no it's it's Well yeah Yeah Actually you we all knew what you meant Just just a funny little note said it backwards You said it was the latest possible day that we could have our last Thursday of the month but it's actually the earliest possible day we could have our last Thursday Well done for picking me up and correcting me Good I'm glad you're here No
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  no Paul it's funny We
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  all know
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  I just thought that was kind of cute That's all Anyway sorry I was
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  going to say something about Alfred was going to mention something Yes I was I was going to say about some of the positives of things that were said in court
• 2:38:20
  want me to go there or did you want to say something first Eric No no no it's okay After you It's okay After you Well okay Examples
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  of positive things
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  So
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  they would have
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  somebody from the two different prisons that he's been in over this past year come as witnesses to the court to testify on Alfred's behavior in prison
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  And both of those were very very positive
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  Especially
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  Belle Nowell where he was a tailor there for a while in that prison
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  And guy from there he just said you know he did his job very very well I mean he was excellent and
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  he was
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  always polite
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  He was well mannered He was
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  cheerful He was easy He got along with others
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  Just
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  overall
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  he said everything positive about him like a model
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  prisoner I guess you could say And the guy from
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  the other prison
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  he was
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  almost
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  positive
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  He just reported
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  on one
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  prisoner who came and complained about Alfred's anti
• 2:39:36
  Semitism or whatever He's probably looking for brownie points right Probably.
• 2:39:41
  Another prisoner. So whatever. You know, because they they talk with each other during courtyard hour or whatever. So okay. So that's all very positive. The other thing that I think was very important
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  is
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  I don't know if it was the judge's questions or the somebody's
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  maybe the prosecutor there was sort of looking to go in the direction of checking out whether he was of sound mind Is Alfred of sound mind or is he a
• 2:40:07
  case for mental
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  illness and that's why he's insane or something
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  And
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  thank goodness
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  the
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  witness who testified
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  to speak about Alfred and his state of mind which would be the
• 2:40:23
  the parole officer In German they call it Gut Achter
• 2:40:29
  Alfred had to make a monthly visit all this time that he was out of prison since 2022
• 2:40:34
  He had to go make a monthly
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  visit
• 2:40:38
  first to the police station say Hi I'm here And then downtown Munich he'd go visit two
• 2:40:44
  different people One to see if he's you know corrigible like if they can correct him in his thinking and the other to
• 2:40:52
  check on his activities whatever I can't remember exactly the details But one of those people was there to speak to that about his
• 2:40:59
  mental state
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  And he just made it very very very very clear that Alfred is completely sane
• 2:41:06
  He is completely of sound mind that you know he maybe has
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  Oh he speaks
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  with missionary zeal Yes that's true
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  Unknown: it's true He does that
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  Unknown: you know what If
• 2:41:18
  you know what's at stake
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  which we all know what's at stake we're in a war and Alfred is
• 2:41:26
  in a place in his life where he's
• 2:41:30
  you know he's lived a rich life full of adventure and
• 2:41:33
  you know when he started figuring things out he said If not me then whom
• 2:41:36
  And basically feels like
• 2:41:39
  Wow everything is at stake
• 2:41:41
  We need to do this We need to fight this And so he spoke very clearly about it made excellent educational videos in the past
• 2:41:49
  And then you know that's what he spent the four years in prison for the first go around And then since then lots of talk shows and lots of interviews and whatnot and
• 2:41:58
  gets a little bit spicy sometimes But hey he's just the messenger Don't shoot the messenger So if you know what's at stake and you're at a position in life where you are able to just let loose and you've rich you've lived a life like he has and I'm telling you he has had
• 2:42:11
  adventures in his life any one of which of the chapters of his life you could write an exciting thriller book about You know his sailing adventures his para para sorry hang gliding pilot days his cycling
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  adventures in Europe and Africa and and all around North America I mean he's done amazing
• 2:42:29
  things in his life
• 2:42:31
  He really has.
• 2:42:33
  And so this is what part of what makes Alfred Alfred.
• 2:42:36
  Like, what part of what gives him this just Great appetite for life, really. Well, great appetite for life, but so he has done all these things It's kind of like well what has he got to lose Like he's
• 2:42:48
  lived a rich life and if not me then whom This is what he said If not me then whom
• 2:42:54
  Or who I don't know what's correct
• 2:42:56
  grammatically But anyway so
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  he but this man made it very clear that he is completely sane. Now the reason I brought that up, it's very important because if they had put
• 2:43:08
  if they had sown doubt about his sanity,
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  if they had created
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  a
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  narrative there or any doubt about Oh he's not of sound mind Well guess what
• 2:43:19
  You might at first thought think Oh well he'll get off lighter He'll have a lighter sentence But no they would throw him into a mental institution
• 2:43:28
  And there he would be for life and they would drug him up forcefully
• 2:43:33
  and that would be it They would turn him into a vegetable or whatever Or maybe even if they didn't drug him off for life what did they do to Ezra Pound
• 2:43:40
  I think they locked him away in a mental institution for a long long time 12 or Right
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  Okay there you go Thank you
• 2:43:48
  So anyway that was very important and very good and I know that his wife was very very very
• 2:43:55
  relieved about that and happy about that And she also really liked the character assessments that were made about him
• 2:44:03
  and you know the mental assessment the character assessment
• 2:44:05
  Just that was good What was not good is
• 2:44:10
  you know
• 2:44:11
  the verdict and the outcome
• 2:44:13
  But we are in a war and this is what we recognize This is what we see This is what we're in
• 2:44:20
  the last thing I would want and this circling back to near the beginning we talked about this The last thing I would want just from because I'm telling the story of Alfred's you know seven year sentence is that people cower in fear
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  That is the last thing that Alfred would want that any of us need or want but they want us cowering in fear
• 2:44:40
  You know
• 2:44:41
  those who are trying to do great harm to us They want us in fear They want us paranoid They want all those things So this should not
• 2:44:49
  please
• 2:44:50
  people
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  please
• 2:44:52
  do not
• 2:44:53
  let somebody's verdict of you know we're in a war and yeah there will be casualties There will be
• 2:45:01
  prisoners of war There will be all these things happening Does that mean you're just gonna
• 2:45:06
  Okay cower back and now I guess we should stop fighting No
• 2:45:11
  Because the opponent will do what they want to do then with even greater
• 2:45:16
  speed and more completely They are afraid of us That's why they lock people like Alfred up
• 2:45:21
  They are afraid of us
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  knowing and learning
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  and comprehending the truth I like that you used that word comprehend instead of understand
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  But comprehend
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  that we
• 2:45:34
  see that we have our eyes wide open
• 2:45:38
  and that we help other people to lift the spell
• 2:45:41
  you know
• 2:45:43
  break the spell
• 2:45:44
  There you go There's another good book titled Breaking the Spell
• 2:45:48
  that Nick Kolorstrom
• 2:45:49
  Kolorstrom
• 2:45:52
  Kolorstrom Breaking the Spell It's really a spell I don't know how else to describe
• 2:45:57
  what has been done to our people through the deceptions and the lies and whatnot that so many of our good people are still under the spell
• 2:46:04
  They're not stupid
• 2:46:06
  Unknown: They're just under a spell really under a spell Yeah they're not stupid We've got a lot of intelligent people but the intelligence is not
• 2:46:14
  necessarily pointing in the right direction at this moment in time I mean it's obviously an intimidation thing. Mean you think about the people in that court that are part of the process that have brought this result about this negative result
• 2:46:24
  for Alfred
• 2:46:26
  and
• 2:46:28
  I think you're right. They're obviously very anxious about they must perceive of course that there's probably
• 2:46:33
  a massively a much larger number of conscious people around now who are conscious of the things that they don't want us to be conscious of That's the main thing I think is a key part
• 2:46:44
  and so
• 2:46:45
  They're all bound in with their club for want of a better phrase
• 2:46:49
  I'm
• 2:46:51
  only expecting their behavior to get worse because it seems to historically
• 2:46:56
  do that We were talking about a little bit earlier or I mentioned something about Dietrich Bonhoeffer know and his study of we
• 2:47:03
  were talking about it earlier with the previous guest with John and Eric was mentioning know the whole thing of crowd psychology and this the fact that the masses
• 2:47:11
  as mass
• 2:47:14
  basically
• 2:47:15
  if you get involved in that sort of space and sometimes I guess for certain people in history it's been unavoidable
• 2:47:21
  but you're gonna sink
• 2:47:23
  You can't actually rise in the space like that It appears that everything's going well but
• 2:47:28
  there comes a time when the swing door is going to come right back at you in your face And I suspect that that's what they're sort of instinctively feeling the people on the other side Something's going to And this is why I'm expecting their behavior to get worse to be quite honest because generally historically it has done
• 2:47:45
  Whenever they sense a threat
• 2:47:47
  like people actually detecting what they're doing and articulating
• 2:47:52
  it more clearly all the time This is why I suppose the thing about thought
• 2:47:58
  and thought crime is the one that they can't abide because there's no
• 2:48:04
  physical barrier to it
• 2:48:06
  They don't know how to restrain it I mean of course they're building this big technological sort of control grid now to monitor everything for our safety of course but it's really for their safety or for their ability to control things ever more minutely So
• 2:48:21
  Unknown: occurs to me that
• 2:48:24
  Unknown: Sorry you weren't finished No no I finished I finished Yeah I finished
• 2:48:28
  Unknown: It occurs to me that
• 2:48:31
  you know the recent elections and state elections in Germany I'm sure you all heard about the
• 2:48:37
  AFD
• 2:48:38
  doing a very that's the alternative for Deutschland
• 2:48:41
  so alternative for Germany that they did very well in certain states like
• 2:48:46
  Saxon Anhalt I think it's called anyway
• 2:48:50
  I mean we
• 2:48:52
  can say what we want about the AFD that you know are these parties
• 2:48:57
  Like what are they Are they control opposition This kind of thing I don't want to even
• 2:49:01
  go there right now What I do want to say though is that
• 2:49:05
  we can see that
• 2:49:08
  it acts as a barometer
• 2:49:11
  Like the fact that they did very well because the German people
• 2:49:16
  are not liking the open borders anymore and they're saying enough enough like we don't want to be flooded
• 2:49:23
  It's too much We can't handle it And so
• 2:49:26
  those people voted
• 2:49:28
  in that one state anyway, quite high for the AFD
• 2:49:33
  because that's what they supposedly represent.
• 2:49:37
  So this is a barometer.
• 2:49:39
  It just occurred to me now I wonder if the
• 2:49:44
  total
• 2:49:46
  hysteria that was going on in
• 2:49:49
  official circles and whatnot Oh maybe we should ban that party and this and that right This hysteria in response to that
• 2:49:56
  I wonder if that also was a factor in
• 2:50:00
  this
• 2:50:02
  venomous
• 2:50:03
  response
• 2:50:04
  to
• 2:50:05
  Unknown: this political dissident I here guess it could I mean it was a slight thought that I'd had as well
• 2:50:13
  Obviously we hear things second or third hand through other reports do There's
• 2:50:18
  podcast
• 2:50:19
  out there called the Duran It's a funny name D U R A N And it's headed up by an American guy I think he might be Canadian
• 2:50:27
  and an English Greek guy And it's
• 2:50:29
  right in the whole politics stuff but they've done a lot on the AFD situation about
• 2:50:34
  and then there's the situation where I don't know his name the current German Prime Minister or whatever he's called
• 2:50:40
  whatever the title is and
• 2:50:43
  these
• 2:50:44
  the pigeons are coming home to roost Germany as you know and we've discussed in the past and I know you and Alfred know it backwards has been basically
• 2:50:53
  hijacked ever since 1945
• 2:50:56
  it's been a big control space and everything it's being used by
• 2:51:01
  forces behind the curtain and
• 2:51:04
  it's almost it's a very pivotal point simply I think also very much because of what we consider let me phrase it like that it's more than a consideration but what we consider to be the untrue
• 2:51:16
  description of that period history You mentioned it really early on when you first came on that people's
• 2:51:22
  views of what is taking place are formed by their understanding of history
• 2:51:27
  Yes From
• 2:51:28
  our perspective
• 2:51:30
  given that we consider that we've read more widely than they have and I think broadly speaking that's true we have many people have we've been willing to go and look at the accounts written by the so called losers
• 2:51:43
  and we come up rightly with a different perspective a more fully informed one Not totally informed
• 2:51:48
  I accept that there may be bits even now you know that we've been lied to even in the alternative press They didn't even know that they were doing it Broadly speaking the story that we would tell has far less inaccuracies and untruths in it It's probably got some in there I just can't tell you where they are today
• 2:52:05
  I'm
• 2:52:08
  just going back to Holmes and Watson again
• 2:52:10
  I was mentioning it earlier If you put them on it what would Holmes come up with I'm just talking about logical deduction and evidence and it would be very
• 2:52:18
  close to what we say I'm absolutely convinced of it If you could do a politically incorrect Holmes and Watson story
• 2:52:24
  and he's given free range to inquire into these things you would end up with a totally different or a completely augmented view to the current one I was listening to something this morning and I was going to type something in the chat There was a radio thing on this morning
• 2:52:38
  and it was about the Holocaust
• 2:52:41
  and it was from my perspective I'm phrasing this as politely as I can as an English type I'm really putting it on right It was so wide of the mark as to be unreal
• 2:52:51
  But I was watching the chat
• 2:52:53
  and the chat
• 2:52:55
  I wouldn't say they were swallowing it hook line and sinker it's that they simply don't know
• 2:53:00
  they don't know that there's an alternative block of information out there that they would benefit from greatly Actually they probably wouldn't benefit from it it would make them feel so uncomfortable and that's the bit that's holding every it seems to me this is a key part of it It's why possibly this judge behaved in such a heavy handed fashion in handing down this sentence It's going on with loads of people who can't actually look at the past properly and go you know what it turns out I was wrong about 80% or whatever it was of practically everything I knew in light of this evidence
• 2:53:32
  you were right to point out the historical stuff because we don't know about the operations today if we don't have a clear view
• 2:53:39
  Unknown: of history and most people don't really Yes and another thing that speaks to
• 2:53:47
  Alfred's character
• 2:53:49
  and it was a very positive thing that
• 2:53:52
  you know happened in court that he said
• 2:53:55
  openly
• 2:53:56
  in court. He said, I am willing
• 2:53:59
  I am very willing to change my mind
• 2:54:02
  on
• 2:54:04
  something, whatever it is, any of this. Yeah. If if I am presented with evidence which convinces me that I was wrong, I I, you know, I will change my mind.
• 2:54:15
  I mean, think about it. Sometimes
• 2:54:18
  this happened to me actually after I came out with my little video there a number of years ago ten years ago And people in Jasper some of the acquaintances I had there or
• 2:54:29
  even online anywhere they would just say Oh you're just so
• 2:54:33
  set in your ways Monica You're so set in your you know this thinking Naughty Monica
• 2:54:40
  I said and I would I actually laughed about that one because I'm the one that changed my mind I believed all this stuff all my life I'm the one who actually had a big epiphany and was able to change my mind when I was confronted with evidence That's all
• 2:54:56
  So it was kind of the opposite I thought that was kind of interesting right Why would they say those things
• 2:55:01
  Projection
• 2:55:04
  Unknown: don't think it's this is just a it's like the whole history of our people I'm going back thousands of years
• 2:55:11
  It's like there's some pivot point It's something to do with this I hate using the word psychological but this conditioning
• 2:55:17
  and what you have to be willing to keep breaking your own conditioning
• 2:55:21
  You have to be in other words I would suggest those
• 2:55:25
  of us here and many listening are quite willing
• 2:55:28
  maybe not all the time but more than most people to go you know what I was wrong about that
• 2:55:33
  That's a sign to me of real intelligence and wisdom go it turns out that that was wrong So I now phrase everything I say My current view is because we're talking about this with John things have shifted There were things I was learning twenty years ago that was absolutely convinced were nailed on Now it turned out that 70% of it was true but the 30% that was wrong was actually important and I've had to adjust it to get a clearer view Most people of course are not going to devote or feel the urge to have that time to put into it Alfred certainly got that urge it's not the right word the compulsion
• 2:56:04
  you're compelled to do it We've a minute before the music plays I want to leave fast hour isn't it Isn't it fast
• 2:56:12
  Unknown: Oh my goodness it flew by Maybe Eric wants to say something or the other Paul
• 2:56:17
  Unknown: very quickly
• 2:56:18
  I was going to say is a good general turns a disadvantage into an advantage
• 2:56:24
  I think we've got to look at how can we turn this disadvantage what's happened
• 2:56:28
  to your brother
• 2:56:30
  into an advantage
• 2:56:32
  We
• 2:56:34
  might be able to work it in his favour and everybody's favour
• 2:56:38
  So think of things outside the box what we can do
• 2:56:44
  Unknown: Does he have any colleagues on the ground in Germany that support him apart from his wife There are others
• 2:56:51
  Unknown: And Eric what you just said is just spot on Thank you for that Very very good Because Alfred himself would
• 2:56:58
  view it that way
• 2:57:00
  That would be the prism through which he sees it the
• 2:57:04
  lens through which he sees it indeed
• 2:57:07
  Unknown: I'm sure it does
• 2:57:09
  A very important communication Monica
• 2:57:12
  Unknown: All right Thank you so much for giving this opportunity to tell you about it I will compose some kind of an email message that I will send out to various people so that people can share that and post it whatever I haven't done that yet
• 2:57:26
  Unknown: please do well no doubt you'll probably when you're back here at the end of October you'll probably have a bit more to tell I suppose or some other aspects
• 2:57:34
  Unknown: to it yes yes because he will be moved he will be moved but we don't know where to so don't write to him right now because we don't know how long he'll be where he is right now Okay
• 2:57:44
  Unknown: Monica
• 2:57:45
  as always a pleasure I don't know if that's absolutely appropriate for today's show but it was actually because it's always great to hear you and you put across the points really well Very serious matter and I think you dealt with it brilliantly So thank you very much for that We'll be back again of course same time next week I can't tell you who's gone but no doubt there'll be somebody amazing on It won't be Monica Monica's gonna be here in another four weeks time
• 2:58:07
  So we'll see you all then Keep good have a good weekend and all that kind of stuff
• 2:58:11
  And
• 2:58:13
  just don't forget we actually are in a war How about that And on that cheering up we'll bid you farewell Bye for now everyone Bye bye
• 2:58:25
  Unknown: Blasting the voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 2:58:31
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.