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The Kenny Report | 21 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Ris and thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, three nationals quit the shadow cabinet after voting against
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  Speaker 2: the new hate speech laws. Will one nation try to
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  Speaker 2: recruit them, I'll ask Pauline Hanson. With the Albinezy government
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  Speaker 2: trumpeting its new laws, they won't make us any safer
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  Speaker 2: because the real problem is political weakness. Donald Trump heading
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  Speaker 2: to Europe and I'll get Tom Switzer's take on the
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  Speaker 2: President's Greenland aspirations. We'll preview tomorrow's National Day of Morning
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  Speaker 2: and a special event to commemorate the Bondai massacre victims.
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  Speaker 2: S The Krakhu joins us from the UK, where there's
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  Speaker 2: been a win against transgender madness and the first Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: wrangle of the year with Denika the Giorgio and Justin Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: So the Parliament has passed new gun laws and new
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  Speaker 2: hate speech laws. Our politicians passed more laws, and we
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  Speaker 2: the people are supposed to be grateful.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen Australians were shot dead and dozens injured innocence slaughtered
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  Speaker 2: at Bondoi Beach thirty eight days ago in the nation's
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  Speaker 2: worst terrorist attack, a horrific act of alleged Islamist terrorism
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  Speaker 2: that came after more than two years of due hatred
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism, Islamist extremist hatred, and two years of warnings
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  Speaker 2: and threats, and two years of pleading from the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 2: some politicians, security experts, commentators like me, please for more
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  Speaker 2: action against this scourge by governments and authorities. All those
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  Speaker 2: pleas fell on deaf ears. The federal government did next
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  Speaker 2: to nothing, law enforcement authorities did next to nothing. And
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  Speaker 2: now after to this shocking massacre at Bondai, we get.
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  Speaker 1: Some new laws.
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  Speaker 2: That's the best the Albanese government can do. That's the
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  Speaker 2: best our political class can do is pass laws, laws
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  Speaker 2: that further impinge upon our freedoms. This, to me is
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  Speaker 2: the government desperate to give us the impression of action.
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  Speaker 2: It's passing laws to try to demonstrate that it's finally
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  Speaker 2: doing something. It's that superficial. Years of weakness, of false
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  Speaker 2: equivalence and absence of moral clarity, two years of the
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  Speaker 2: government echoing terrorist propaganda, demonizing Israel, gas lighting Jewish Australians,
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  Speaker 2: and two years of actually caving into the terrorists, rewarding
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  Speaker 2: terrorist groups after years of this dangerous delusion and weakness,
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  Speaker 2: we get new gun laws and hate speech laws. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they already had hate law and gun laws and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't use them. That much is obvious. Islamus terrorists will
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  Speaker 2: use knives if they can't get guns.
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  Speaker 1: They'll use cars if they can't get knives, or buses
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  Speaker 1: or meat cleavers. We've seen it all before.
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  Speaker 2: They delivered their worst act of global terrorism with box cutters.
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  Speaker 2: But our government reckons gun laws will defeat this scourge.
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  Speaker 2: A scourge by the way, they're so afraid of that
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  Speaker 2: they won't utter its name. They dare not speak the
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  Speaker 2: name of Islamists extremism.
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  Speaker 1: How weak is that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll explain in a moment why I'm certain these laws
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  Speaker 2: will not make Australians any safer, But first let me
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  Speaker 2: remind you of just how weak and cowardly our Prime
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  Speaker 2: minister was yesterday when, instead of apologizing for his negligence,
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  Speaker 2: he actually tried to blame the rising tired of anti
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism and Islamist extremism that led to the Bondai massacre.
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  Speaker 1: He tried to blame that on can you believe it,
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  Speaker 1: the previous government.
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  Speaker 3: The idea that any Semitism began two years ago with
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  Speaker 3: the change of government is false and it's declared to
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  Speaker 3: be false by the comments of those opposite in senior positions.
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  Speaker 3: Despite the surge in anti semitism on their watch. Did
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  Speaker 3: the Morrison government Did the Morrison governor point a special
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  Speaker 3: envoy to combat anti Semitism?
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  Speaker 2: No breathtaking and the fact that Canberra Press Gallery lets
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  Speaker 2: Albanez he get away with this shameful deflection tells you
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  Speaker 2: all you need to know about the jaundice nature of
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  Speaker 2: media in this country. Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison responded
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  Speaker 2: on social media and he didn't miss. Morrison said that
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  Speaker 2: Albani his empty and ambivalent response to the October the
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  Speaker 2: seventh terrorist attacks abrogated his responsibility for national leadership and
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  Speaker 2: created a dangerous vacuum that was filled by the worst
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  Speaker 2: streams of anti Semitism this country's ever seen, producing a
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  Speaker 2: fivefold increase in anti Semitic incidents, culminating in the extremest
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  Speaker 2: Islamist attack at Bondi on December fourteenth. Brutal but fair,
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  Speaker 2: harsh but true. These are the facts this nation and
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  Speaker 2: this government need to come to grips with. Scomo had
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  Speaker 2: more to say. Albanese's meandering and weak response to this
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  Speaker 2: attack left Australians embarrassed and the Australian Jewish community devastated,
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  Speaker 2: he said, and then pointedly Morrison said, Hummas never praised
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  Speaker 2: the actions of my government, but they did praise mister
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's government.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, game, set and match.
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  Speaker 2: When Albanizi recognized the non existent state of Palestine, he
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  Speaker 2: was rewarding terrorism, as many of us said at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and Hamas itself thanked him for it. As was reported
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 4: A Hamas co founder welcoming the move, Sheik Hassan Yusuf,
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  Speaker 4: telling nine newspapers the PM's position reflects political courage and
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  Speaker 4: a commitment to the values of justice.
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  Speaker 2: What a shameful period of governance for this country. And
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  Speaker 2: look at the trauma it's ushered in. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not using the wisdom of hindsight here. I've spent
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  Speaker 2: much of the past two years highlighting Albanesi's weakness, his
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  Speaker 2: failure to take responsibility, his abandonment of Israel, and his
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  Speaker 2: inaction on anti Semitism. Just three days before Bondi, I
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  Speaker 2: said this was the biggest problem confronting the country and
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  Speaker 2: that the government was complicit. And this is why I
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  Speaker 2: know that new laws will change nothing, because new laws
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  Speaker 2: are meaningless without leadership. New laws are impotent without conviction.
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  Speaker 2: And what we've seen when it comes to combating antisemitism
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  Speaker 2: over the past two years has been an absence of conviction,
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  Speaker 2: an absence of strength, and an absence of leadership.
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  Speaker 1: Let me prove the point.
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  Speaker 2: The day after the October the seventh atrocities, the day
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  Speaker 2: after twelve hundred Israelis were slaughtered, men, women and children,
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  Speaker 2: and two hundred and fifty were taken hostage.
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  Speaker 1: And while the bodies were still.
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  Speaker 2: Being retrieved and the hostages were still being raped, murdered
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  Speaker 2: and locked away in the tunnels of Gaza, we saw
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  Speaker 2: perhaps the most appalling street gathering this country has ever seen.
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  Speaker 5: I'm smiling and I'm happy, I'm in Natan. It's a
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  Speaker 5: day of courage.
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  Speaker 6: Writing fall.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely vile and inhuman, wasn't it. But listen to the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister the next morning, and if you expected outrage, condemnation,
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  Speaker 2: are resolved to stamp out this hatred.
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  Speaker 1: Well you would have been disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's nothing to celebrate by the murder of innocent
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  Speaker 3: servelience going about their day.
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  Speaker 1: For people who were who were some of those.
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  Speaker 3: Who've been captured, young people who are attending a rave,
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  Speaker 3: enjoying life, enjoying each other's company. There's nothing to celebrate here.
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  Speaker 2: Just pathetic limp He could hardly have said less. What
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  Speaker 2: would John Howard have said.
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  Speaker 1: Or Bob Hawk?
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  Speaker 2: A lot more than that, I reckon, and with no
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  Speaker 2: leadership to follow, the police did nothing either. Authorities just
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  Speaker 2: averted their eyes. And so that very night, on October
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  Speaker 2: the ninth, twenty twenty three, we saw similar hatred that
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  Speaker 2: one of the country's most famous landmarks, and this echoed
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  Speaker 2: right around the world. Sickening Again, that makes your blood
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  Speaker 2: boiled to watch this, still.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: But if you expected the PM to take his queue
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  Speaker 2: back then to condemn this in the strongest possible terms,
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  Speaker 2: to call on the nation to resist this hatred, to
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  Speaker 2: work with Muslim groups to stamp out this hatred, to
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  Speaker 2: draw a line in the sand, well again you would
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  Speaker 2: have been sorely disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: I look Kier and I've now seen the images just recently,
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  Speaker 3: and they're horrific, quite clearly slogans which are anti Semitic
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  Speaker 3: and just appalling with no place, and I did say
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  Speaker 3: that that demonstration shouldn't have gone ahead, and I stand
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  Speaker 3: by that. We are a tolerant, multicultural nation. I understand
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  Speaker 3: that people have deep views about issues relating to the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East conflict, but here in Australia we have to
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  Speaker 3: deal with police discourse in a respectful way. And I
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  Speaker 3: certainly didn't see that from the footage that I saw
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  Speaker 3: last night, which is one of the reasons why I
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  Speaker 3: believe it was just inappropriate for it to go ahead
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  Speaker 3: last night.
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  Speaker 2: Again, the weakest possible condemnation, the nation's Prime Minister sounding
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  Speaker 2: like a spectator, a commentator rather than a leader. He
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  Speaker 2: did nothing to stamp it out. He just offered a
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  Speaker 2: mild rebuke. And again the police did nothing. Ugly, evil,
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  Speaker 2: dangerous anti Semitic hatred, and our political and law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: leaders didn't have the courage or the conviction to take
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  Speaker 2: it on and nip it in the bud and we
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  Speaker 2: said so at the time. They didn't even try to
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  Speaker 2: use the laws they had at their disposal at that time,
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  Speaker 2: and our nation has suffered as a consequence. The hatred
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  Speaker 2: and the anti Semitism has only increased in the twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven months since, and of course, right up until Bondai
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  Speaker 2: last month, the Prime Minister's weakness and delusion only continued too.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, when pro Palestinian and anti Israel protesters, including
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  Speaker 2: senior labor figures, marched across the Sydney Harbor Bridge last year,
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  Speaker 2: we showed you how hateful the protest was. The terrorist
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  Speaker 2: and extremist elements that were unmissible, but at the heart
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  Speaker 2: of the rally was a strident anti Israeli streak and
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  Speaker 2: driving that was a hardline Islamist bent. We saw terrorist
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  Speaker 2: banners flown, and there was at least one poster of
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Leader of Iran, the Aotola, a figurehead for
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  Speaker 2: global terrorism and for virulent anti Semitism aimed at eliminating Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Shake Ibrahim the Doune was there, the man who on
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  Speaker 2: our streets two years ago led celebrations of the October
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  Speaker 2: the seventh atrocities just hours after they happened, and while
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  Speaker 2: Israelis were still finding out who was dead and who'd
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  Speaker 2: been taken hostage, and we heard aggressive chance for death
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  Speaker 2: directed at Israel. This was one of the most disturbing
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  Speaker 2: protests in our history. It's not often that protests chant
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  Speaker 2: for death that's what we saw, that's what we shared
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  Speaker 2: with you. That's what worried us. But listen to how
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  Speaker 2: Alberanizi assessed it. He loved it.
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  Speaker 3: And yesterday's march was peaceful and was an opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: people to express their concern about what is happening in
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  Speaker 3: Gaza and the images that we've seen. It's not surprising
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  Speaker 3: that so many Australians have been affected in order to
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  Speaker 3: want to show their concern.
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  Speaker 2: A peaceful protest chance of death to the IDF posters
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  Speaker 2: of the Ayatola hate preachers among the crowd, along with
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  Speaker 2: terrorist symbols. Albanezi is either ignorant or tragically weak, most
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  Speaker 2: likely a sad combination of both. But now he and
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  Speaker 2: his government reckon their political games over. Some new laws
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra will fix the problem. They'll eradicate the hate
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  Speaker 2: and keep Australian safer. Only a fool would believe that
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  Speaker 2: the truth is that our country is rudderless on this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: The hatred is not being tackled and therefore, tragically we
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  Speaker 2: have to expect more pain until we somehow someday find
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  Speaker 2: some leaders who understand the threat and are prepared to
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  Speaker 2: do something about it. I'll be catching up with Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 2: One Nation founder and leader in just a moment if
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to international affairs firstly, and Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump has marked one year back in office, holding a
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  Speaker 2: lengthy press conference before heading off to the World Economic
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  Speaker 2: Forum in Davos, but he's been forced to turn back
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  Speaker 2: after an issue with Air Force One. He'll get there eventually,
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  Speaker 2: but the President's aspirations for Greenland a dominating debate on
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  Speaker 2: both sides of the Atlantic.
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  Speaker 7: How far are you willing.
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  Speaker 8: To go to acquire green You'll find.
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  Speaker 1: Out, you'll find out.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, let's bring in Tom Switzer, columnists with the Australian.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again.
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  Speaker 1: Tom.
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  Speaker 7: You know your.
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  Speaker 2: International affairs and an American global aspirations better than just
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  Speaker 2: at anyone in the country. And you also know how
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  Speaker 2: volatile and unpredictable Donald Trump is. But this Greenland play
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  Speaker 2: is just it's just difficult to comprehend. Isn't it for
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  Speaker 2: a US president to say he actually wants to acquire
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  Speaker 2: the territory of another nation? Is that really his endgame?
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  Speaker 2: Does he really want to own Greenland? Or is he
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  Speaker 2: looking for some sort of arrangement over it?
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  Speaker 7: Well, opinion is divided.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, some of his supporters say he wants Greenland
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  Speaker 8: to be part of the United States because of the raw,
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  Speaker 8: rare earths the minerals, and also because it's an important
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  Speaker 8: geostrategic part of terrain in the Arctic to keep China
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  Speaker 8: and Russia in check. But my own sense for what
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  Speaker 8: it's worth Chris is that I think he's using this
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  Speaker 8: in the most bostous manner possible and the most disruptive
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  Speaker 8: way possible, because he's basically saying to the.
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  Speaker 7: Europeans, you can own Ukraine. This is not for America.
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  Speaker 8: Now, I know that's a radical idea, but my sense
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  Speaker 8: is that Trump, after a year of trying to end
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  Speaker 8: the war in Ukraine, he's having no lark. He's basically
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  Speaker 8: saying to the Europeans, if you want to keep funding
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  Speaker 8: the war in Ukraine against Russia, you go ahead and
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  Speaker 8: keep doing it. But America wants out and that's the
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  Speaker 8: end of the alliance.
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  Speaker 2: So being it, you know, this comes to the Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the real question what does this mean for NATO?
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  Speaker 1: Now he's really.
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  Speaker 2: Metaphorically at war with these NATO allies here over Greenland.
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  Speaker 1: Is that treaty organization under threat at the moment.
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  Speaker 7: Well, let's just face facts.
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  Speaker 8: It's been thirty five years since the end of the
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  Speaker 8: Cold War, thirty five years since the collapse of the
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  Speaker 8: Soviet Empire. The only reason why the United States and
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  Speaker 8: Europe have been united strategically and politically was because of
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  Speaker 8: the Cold War and the threat posed by the Soviet Union.
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  Speaker 8: So you could argue that America, under the leadership of
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  Speaker 8: President Trump is just playing catch up with history, and
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  Speaker 8: it's the Europeanans who are failing to come to grips
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  Speaker 8: with the fact that they can't just rely on America forever. Remember,
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  Speaker 8: the only times the United States has been deeply supporting
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  Speaker 8: European security was when America felt that its vital interests
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  Speaker 8: were threatened, so the German submarine warfare in nineteen seventeen,
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  Speaker 8: nineteen eighteen, Pearl Harbor in nineteen forty one, win Hitler
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  Speaker 8: recklessly and foolishly declared war in America that brought America
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  Speaker 8: into the European conflict. And then of course the rise
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  Speaker 8: of the Soviet threat in the late nineteen forties and
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  Speaker 8: then for the next four decades.
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  Speaker 7: But it's been thirty five.
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  Speaker 8: Years since the end of the Cold War and American
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  Speaker 8: presidents have been trying to justify why they are so
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  Speaker 8: supportive of a European security guarantee in the face of
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  Speaker 8: a Russia, which is a declining threat. At a time
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  Speaker 8: that China is the main threat to American primacy, America
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  Speaker 8: wants to pivot away from Europe focus on Asia to
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  Speaker 8: contain the greater threat, which which is China, not Russia.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pick up that aspect in just a moment, but
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  Speaker 2: just before I do, let's have a look at what
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  Speaker 2: the presidents had to say today about Greenland.
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  Speaker 6: Something's going to happen that's going to be very good
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  Speaker 6: for everybody. Nobody's done more for NATO than I have.
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  Speaker 6: As I said, I think that we will work something
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  Speaker 6: out where NATO is going to be very happy and
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  Speaker 6: where we're going to be very happy, but we need
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  Speaker 6: it for security purposes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: But just to pick up on what you were talking
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  Speaker 2: then about the strategic needs and certainly NATO, the European
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  Speaker 2: countries to some degree for thirty years have freeloaded.
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  Speaker 1: On America for their own security.
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  Speaker 2: If Trump, if America was to think that the europe
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  Speaker 2: is no longer a useful buffer in these global strategic plays,
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  Speaker 2: then Greenland becomes even more important in a geographical sense
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  Speaker 2: for the protection of America. Doesn't it from Russian and
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  Speaker 2: Chinese interests?
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  Speaker 7: Right, Chris?
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  Speaker 8: I mean Greenland is the world's life just island. It's
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  Speaker 8: geographically North American. It's not European. It's geographically North American.
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  Speaker 8: It's part of Denmark. But that goes back to the
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  Speaker 8: ninth century. And if NATO does come to an end,
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  Speaker 8: America has quite rightly got to look after its strategic
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  Speaker 8: interests and that means that Greenland would be part of
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  Speaker 8: the United States. Now, as with all things with Trump,
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  Speaker 8: he's going about this in a very provocative way. But
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  Speaker 8: it's a wake up call to Europe again. Thirty five
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  Speaker 8: years since the end of the Cold War. Why the
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  Speaker 8: Europeans keep sponging off Uncle Sam for their security.
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  Speaker 7: It's quite remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's why the next couple of days are going
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  Speaker 2: to be extraordinary. I know Donald Trump's been delayed. There's
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  Speaker 2: a problem with Air Force one. He turned back. He'll
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  Speaker 2: grab another plane, no doubt. He's going to turn up
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  Speaker 2: at Davos in Switzerland. There'll be a lot of European
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  Speaker 2: leaders there. What do you expect to see playing out
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  Speaker 2: in front of the in front of the global audience.
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  Speaker 8: Well, if he were smart, he'd make this bipartisan say
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  Speaker 8: that Barack Obama, He's predises from twenty nine to twenty
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  Speaker 8: seventeen also one of the Europeans to do their fair
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  Speaker 8: share and defense spending. This is not just Trump or
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  Speaker 8: Maga or a Republican issue. There's a bipartisan consensus in America.
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  Speaker 8: And remember President Obama gave this speech in our own
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  Speaker 8: parliament in November twenty eleven. He said the goal of
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  Speaker 8: the United States foreign policy poster forever Wars in Iraq
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  Speaker 8: and Afghanistan was to pivot to Asia.
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  Speaker 7: Well, by being bogged down in Ukraine, by being focused on.
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  Speaker 8: European affairs, that hurts America's attempts to pivot to Asia
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  Speaker 8: to contain the greater threat. Remember, the United States is
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  Speaker 8: a great power, sure, but there are very rual limits
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  Speaker 8: on its ability to impose its will and leadership on
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  Speaker 8: the world, particularly out of time. And this is a
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  Speaker 8: point that a lot of the Australian critics of Donald
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  Speaker 8: Trump don't quite understand. America spends more on servicing its
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  Speaker 8: debt than it does on defense it's got to recognize
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  Speaker 8: its limits to power. So better to focus on Asia
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  Speaker 8: and its own mSv, less focus on Europe.
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  Speaker 7: And that's exactly what Trump's trying to do here.
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  Speaker 1: Chris, fascinating insights. Thanks for sharing this, Thanks for sharing
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  Speaker 1: them with this time. I appreciate it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Tom Switzer there, you can read your stuff in the Australian,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: in the Fresh column and the Spectator Australia too. Now
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: let's head up the Queenstown and catch up with One
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Nation leader Pauline Hanson. There's been plenty happening in federal politics.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Pauline. The three Nationals
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: front benches Colis and front benches three from the National
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Party have quit this afternoon because they voted against the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: hate speech laws the government's package. Tell us about your
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: thoughts on that and whether you might dangle a line
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: out to those three Nationals and offer them One Nation membership.
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: No, I won't be offering anything, Chris, but good on them,
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: and I do congratulate them and standing the ground and
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: voting against the laws along with One Nation. We picked
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: it right from the very start, Chris, that these laws
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: were unworkable, weren't unnecessary, and should not have been introduced
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: to the Parliament. The laws that they put before the
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: Senate inquiry last week, they weren't the same laws that
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: they brought into the Parliament. They brought a new legislation
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: at ten o'clock yesterday morning and then where they were
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: debated on we're talking about five hundred pages. A lot
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: of the original was carved out. Do you know that
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: seven thousand submissions from the public will presented to the
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: committee by Thursday afternoon last week that was all thrown
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: into the bin. So this government had no intentions of
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: listening to what the train people wanted and they were
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: not right for Australia. So my concerns is what's going
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: to happen in the future with these laws that we introduced.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I got to say my observation I made this early
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: on as well, and others have done the same, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that is that, of course, this government's been very laxed
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: when it comes to andy Semitism and standing by Israel
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and the panicked after BONDI because they are culpable. They
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: haven't done enough to keep the country safe, so they've
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: gone for a legislative response that makes it look like
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they're doing something and I think have quite deliberately picked
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: measures which they knew would create strife for the coalition
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: gun laws and hate speech laws. They knew a lot
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of Coalition MPs would have trouble with this, and instead
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: of just rejecting it out right, the coalition has actually
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: fallen into their trap and become divided about them.
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: The coalition had been absolutely pathetic and lay how she's
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: handled this, and she negotiated with the government. They basically
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: made no real changes to the legislation at all, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: they've backed these laws which could impact because the impact
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: it could have further down the track, it's overreached by
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: minister by having so much powers. And then what they
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: didn't take in consideration is the hate speech laws of
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: the states will be taken in consideration. So if a
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: minister wanted to reign in a group as hate speech,
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: which he determines, he can then say no, you've got
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: a member that's join that. So then you actually are
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: putting that group at risk because they may have one
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: member that its retrospective can go back in time and
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: see what they've put up on their social medias or
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: spoken about. So every state has different hate speech laws
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: which is going to be taken up by the federal government.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: It's just overreach. And the constitutional expert lawyer in this
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: and to me summed it all up. She said the
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: politicians should have taken a breath with all this rather
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: than passing these laws. She's concerned about how they can
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: be used against different groups and organizations and she didn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: say that, but it's targeting. One nation could be targeted
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: with this law.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt there could be unintended consequences, no doubt
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: about it at all. I want to get to you
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: on the polls poll. I don't haven't caught up with
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you since you've topped the coalition.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: In the latest news poll.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Does this change your aspirations for the party? Do you
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: think that one nation could in any way, shape or
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: form but become a party that not a party of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: government perhaps, but a party that could share government.
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: Oh, most definitely, Chris, most definitely. And that's what I
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: will be actually striving for with the right people around
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: me to be a team. It's quite interesting now the
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: number of people who are actually coming forward want to
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: be candidate's credible people, high profile people, people who really
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: want to make a difference to the country. We are
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: powering head. Our membership is still growing quite a lot.
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: People are interested now, they're pinning the hopes on one
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: nation to get our country back. So it's about having
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: a voice to actually reign. In both major political parties,
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: they have this elitist attitude that no one else should
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: be governed in this country but them, and that's why
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: we're in hell of a mess. I'm not going to
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: sit back our my laurels. I want to take it
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: up to them and i want to say you get
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: your act together, otherwise we're going to be the true
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: opposition in this country or government one day. For the
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: people to actually support us.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Now, you're going to have to win seats in the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Lower House, and the way you're polling you could do it,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: but you need for the good of the country, you
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: need to try and take some seats off labor of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: labor rather than the coalition. Are there regional labor seats
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking in the Hunter Valley of New South Wales
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and in Queensland where you think could actually win seats
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: from labor.
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: Yes, yes it is. I think Blair and Ipswich is winnable.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: That's another that's the labor seat as well. But Chris,
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: the election is a couple of years down the track.
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: But the polling rule and regional areas is about round
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: about thirty two percent. So once you get out of
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: the CEAT it's nationally it's twenty two percent rule and
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: regional areas is higher. With that percentage of the primary vote,
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: you actually are able to win those seats. But it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: a long way to go, Chris, I'm not going to
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: count my chickens before they hatch. Can get those right
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: people on board.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Sure do fascinating times.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, pulling, pulling hands in their lives
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: from Queensland. A new political force, resurgence for Pauline Hansen
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: yet again, what a career she's had.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But at the moment riding very high. We're going to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: get to a break.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to preview tomorrow's National
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Day of Mourning and the special event that's going to commemorate.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: The Bondai massacre victims. Tomorrow has been designated.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: The National Day of Mourning for the victims of the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Bondou Beach terrorist attack. As part of the commemoration, Sky
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: News is going to broadcast a special service light will
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: win It'll be live at seven o'clock Eastern daylight saving
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: time tomorrow. It's going to be hosted by Shari Markson
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and it's been organized by the Hubbud of Bondai. Let
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: me bring in Rabbi Mendy Ullman from the Hubbada of Bondai.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Great to speak to you. Rabbi.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Firstly, let me get your thoughts on this day of
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: commemoration and the service tomorrow night.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: What especially do you.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Hope to come out of that, what sort of comfort
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: for your community and for all of Australia.
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: Well, first of all, Chris, thank you so much for
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: having me on this program and an honor to speak
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: with you. And yeah, tomorrow is going to be a
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: historic evening. We are looking forward to uniting at the
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: Opera House, reclaiming that ground and having that opportunity to
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: have a unified front of what we believe is going
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: to be a night that will honor the victims number one,
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: but also be a proud moment for Australians to show
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: that light will win, that light is going to come
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: out of the darkness that happened at Bondai Beach.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: There are so many stories of sacrifice. Of course, such
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a tragic massacre, but there's been so many uplifting stories
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of not only what happened on the day, but how
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: other people are helping victims subsequently. And I suppose it's
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a good thing for tomorrow to focus on those positives.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: That's what you're really hope you do, to bring the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: country together to bind the wounds.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there were so many positive stories that came out
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: of the tragedy of people risking their lives, sacrificing themselves
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: and going above and beyond to make sure to repair
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: the community. Who are who were shattered and continue to
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: be lifted up in this time and we want to
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: honor those that have done so and really unite the
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: community in the righter future.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Now, the Prime Minister is going to be involved in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the event, as is the new South Wales Premier Chris Mins.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Here's the Prime Minister today talking about the Day of mourning.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: The Day of Mourning will be an opportunity for all
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Austraiants to stand with those who are grieving those who
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: lost loved ones, family members and members of the Bondai
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Hubad community, but others as well. There will be formal
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: events which take place tomorrow but they are also opportunities
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: for every Australian to participate by putting a candle in
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: a window sill or at the front of your house,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: by flags flying at half masted, by recognizing the installations
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: and the lighting that will occur as well.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: The Prime Mister there and he'll be involved in the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: event tomorrow night. Rabbi.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get your thoughts so on the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: harder edge to this. I mean, I think this community
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: coming together is so important, but there are real security issues.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: There's the real anger about the lack of fight against
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: anti Semitism over the past two years, the need to
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: double down and get this right in the future.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: What's happening on that front.
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: Well, we are trying to put our trust in the
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: government to make those decisions and passing those legislations to
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: protect not just the Jewish community in regards to the
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: ant the rise in anti Semitism that we are seeing,
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: but in general to the whole Australia, the whole community
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: that are This was an attack on the Jewish community, but
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: it was an attack on Bondai Beach, on that Cherish
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: beach that we all go to, Jewish or non Jewish
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: alike and all types of people go there, and there's
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: no reason why we should have that in our country.
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: And we should be very very strong in fighting that
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: and doing that and being very strong about our resolve
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: in a brighter future for Australia, and we are relying
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: on our government to do that. For us.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Rabbi, it's your community that suffered most, it's your community
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: was targeted.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But it is our problem, it is our fight. We
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: are with you.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And congratulations on the event you've organized for tomorrow night
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and I hope it goes very well.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: Thank you, Chris, was a pleasure.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Rabbi Mindy Ullman there from the Hubad Bondai.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That'll be seven o'clock tomorrow night live here on Sky.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Don't miss it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: A very very important in the event for this country
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: as we deal with the consequences of that shocking bondai
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in massacre.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Now we better take a break.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we'll catch up with
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this sir Kracker who joins us from the UK, where
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: there's been a win.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Against transgender madness.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I want to return to Donald Trump's desires on Greenland.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: There's been a war of words, of course, with Europe's leaders,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: including Kostarma and Emmanuel mccron, and this morning Donald Trump
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: hit back.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: They always strip me.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: They get a little bit rough when they're you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: when I'm not around, but when I'm around, they treat
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: me very nicely.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: I like both of them. They're both liberal. They've got
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: to straighten out their country as you can't. You know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: London is having a lot of problems, and if you
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: look at Paris got a lot of problems. They have
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: two problems, immigration and energy.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: He's always got plenty of advice for other leaders, hasn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: he the US President. Let's bring in writer and broadcaster
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: is The Cracker live from London.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: It's the great to talk to you.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I've loved your work over the years on other Sky
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: News Programs's great to have you on the Kenny Report.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Give us your thoughts on Donald Trump and Greenland and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the challenge that presents for NATO countries.
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: Yes, so you've been seeing First of all, thank you
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: very much for having me.
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: It's a pleasure.
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: You've been seeing European leaders doing what they do best,
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: which is clutching their pearls and scruppling together and having meetings.
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: That get them nowhere and that ends up doing nothing.
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: They're very good at talking the talk, but when it
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: comes to walking the walk, you know, that doesn't really
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: tend to materialize. Trump's issue with Greenland is the protection
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: or the security of the Arctic Circle. Now is I
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: think one of the things that it's important to note
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: is not just what he says, but what actually happens
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: when he says the things that he says. So Trump
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: has made a point that Greenland is needed to secure
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: America's national security interest because of increasing a buildup of
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: military forces by the Russians and the Chinese. And I
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: think the point he's making isn't just the fact that
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: the Europeans kind of lacks approach to their own security
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: has resulted from their kind of adherence to international law
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: and rules based order, which is not worth the money
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: it's printed on. But now it's putting their ally, the Americans,
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: at risk. And you have to remember that being an
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: ally is a relationship. You know, both parties have to
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: be getting something from it. And I think the point
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: that Trump is making is for many decades now, the
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: Europeans have basically coasted off of American security guarantees, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: it's no longer a relationship that's actually benefiting the US
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: on the security front.
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: I mean, just to.
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: Contextualize this, since Donald Trump has made noise again about
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: trying to buy Greenland, the Europeans together combined from the
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: Danas to the French to the Brits, have sent thirty
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: seven three seven soldiers to Denmark to Greenland.
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: To defend it from the Americans.
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: I mean, that is just absolutely how pathetic this action
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: is to defend the territory of fifty seven thousand people.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It says at all.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: In many ways, it underlines Donald Trump's effectiveness.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: They realize that they really.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Should put some military assets into this piece of territory.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: But then it's just so pathetic because it's such a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: desolatory number.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: We'll keep tabs on that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating to see what happens when
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the President turns up at Davos and they have some
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of these discussions in public.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: At the same time.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Though, I noticed that the UK has actually given up
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: some land to Mauritius, some islands to Mauritius. Why would
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the UK be handing over land when Donald Trump is
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: showing how it might be better to hang on to
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: strategic assets.
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: But because the UK is led and has been learned
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: for many decades by week men who think that the
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: best way to get to keep the UK and the
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: good graces of many countries around the world that don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: actually wish the UK well it is suggests basically to
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: kowtow to everything they asked for.
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: So they've given up the Chegos Islands.
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: We're the first country, i think in history to pay
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: someone to pay another country to keep territory that is ours,
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: which is an astonishing feat.
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: But you know, trump'scribe with this.
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: As the Diego Garcia basis, which is a military base
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: that has a significant American presence now at the time
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: that this deal was signed, which is monumentally stupid. As
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: Donald Trump said, Uh, Kirstarmer said that the Americans will
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: still be able to have access to these bases and
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: just lease it off the Mauritians. But Trump's problem is
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: that Mauritia Mauritius is quite friendly with the Chinese, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: this whole thing came about because of basically Russian and
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: Chinese lawfare because they know that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: Kirstarmer is a human rights lawyer.
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: Is more interested in ink on paper than actual hard
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: realities of politick ing, which is that international law doesn't
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: keep you safe, militaries do, and that you actually have
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: to work in your country's interests and military strategic interests
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: instead of just adhering to international law intern national lawns
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: and help the Ukrainians when they got invaded by Russia.
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: And it's not going to help Brits when they give
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: up their own national security interests because they're scared of
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: falling foul of this delusion that the Europeans and Brits
• 38:12
  Speaker 11: have decided to indulge in and risk all of our
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: security interests.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Indeed, international law is in so many cases is a fiction.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I want to go to another issue that relates to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: transgender issues. Probably some good news here and unfolded in
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the National Health Service.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Here's an explainer.
• 38:31
  Speaker 13: These seven nurses went into battle with their employer, taking
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: their NHS trust to court for allowing a transgender colleague
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: to use a female changing room. Their complaints centered on
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: Rose Henderson, an operating department practitioner who identifies as a woman,
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: and was allowed to use the female changing rooms at
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: Darlington Memorial Hospital under the trusts transitioning in the workplace policy.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And there's been an outcome here, an outbreak of common sense.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Biological men ben from the women's toilets.
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: Yes, so the tribunal that found in the fame of
• 39:09
  Speaker 11: these nurses, I think the wording was even more spectacular,
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: so that it violated the dignity of the nurses by
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: expecting them to share a changing room with a biological man,
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: which I think encapsulates this whole thing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: Seriously, I mean.
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: The only reason why we're seeing common sense on these
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: issues is because courts have stepped in. We know that
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: the Supreme Court in the UK ruled that biological sex
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: is actually the only basis for the definition of gender.
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: Now we know in the US.
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: The Supreme Court is also entertaining the idea of what
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: the states like Idaho and West Virginia can uphold their
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: bands on men in women's sports. So with all of
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: these cases, it always has to be the courts that
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: step in to say, actually, we're going to affirm biological
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: reality and not force women to share intimate spaces with
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: biological men regardless of how they identify. And thankfully, I
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: think this is going to keep going, and it's a
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: trend that we're going to keep seeing in the West
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: because honestly enough is this has become ridiculous. This idea
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: that the women have to shut up and put up
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: with it because it has the feelings of men is ridiculous.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Let's protect the rights of women and girls. Thanks so
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: much for joining us, Essa, I appreciate it, mister Kraku.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: They're alive from London. She'll be a regular for us
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: on the program this year. We got to get to
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a break on the other side of the Wednesday wrangle.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Plenty of serious stuff to talk about with them, including
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: also some bit of fun at the tennis one of
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the most dramatic entrances you've ever seen at the Australian Open.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Let's get into the Wednesday rang I Gotdanika to Georgio
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: on the desk with me Justin Smith in Melbourne. Yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: great to see you both. Let's start off with the coalition.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They've fallen for the three card trick here, Danika. You
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: know Labor wanted to create havoc with these laws. Three
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: of them have quit this afternoon. The Nationals are meeting
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: at six o'clock. To the meeting in the next ten
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: or fifteen minutes, they got to choose three more people
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to replace them.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Vision shambles. I wonder why they're not doing to it
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: on the polls.
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: No, well, I mean, here we go again, Chris. It's
• 41:05
  Speaker 14: like married at first sight. You recall, of course, the
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: coalition split late last year. This was over the nuclear
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: the energy policy, and it seems like it's going in
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: the same direction again. I mean, my argument is is
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: that the Nationals voted against these laws, they were all
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: against it, and yet we've got three now suddenly quitting.
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: To me, it doesn't make much sense. But again, Susan
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: Lee is facing a very very big problem because there
• 41:29
  Speaker 14: are reports that war could now quit and that is
• 41:32
  Speaker 14: an absolute disaster moving forward, moving forward for Susan Lee.
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: If she can't keep this together, where does it leave
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: the coalition? Where does it leave the partnership? And I
• 41:43
  Speaker 14: also think they have a fair point though, Chris, because
• 41:46
  Speaker 14: there are parts of these hate speech laws that are
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: so far reaching, and are we going down the pathway
• 41:51
  Speaker 14: of the United Kingdom where I've got people over there
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: who are being arrested for saying something that the government
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: doesn't agree with or doesn't like. So in my view,
• 41:58
  Speaker 14: I think they have a fair income argument.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, the laws are ridiculous. The laws are bad.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: They should have been opposed, but Labor put them up
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: because they had to pretend they were doing something and
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: they knew they'd create a trouble for the coalition. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: justin that the coalition, you just fell for their trap.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Really because as Susan Lee created the problem in the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: first place, demanding Parliament turn up and.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Pass laws, as if we need laws.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: To combat extremism in this country. What we need is resolve.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Surely.
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: Look, I'm not sure if you mentioned it was a trap, Chris,
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: and happy new Year to both of you. I'm not
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: sure it was a trap because I don't think that
• 42:39
  Speaker 15: either party or either side of politics is that smart
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: to lay a trap like that. I think what's really
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: happened here is the Coalition has got down to business,
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: their business and what they're very good at, which is
• 42:52
  Speaker 15: destroying themselves. And I mean you mentioned Anikae, you're mentioning
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: Susan Lee. I think a lot of this is being
• 42:59
  Speaker 15: lumped onto her. When the culture of the Coalition and
• 43:02
  Speaker 15: the problems with the Coalition and go back years now
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: they've been doing that. I mean it is starting to
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: come to a head. But look at the way the
• 43:10
  Speaker 15: Coalition allowed Peter Dutton to run one of the worst
• 43:14
  Speaker 15: campaigns that there has ever been in Australian political history.
• 43:18
  Speaker 15: They sat back and allowed him to run that campaign.
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: Nobody was pulling him up on that and stopping him.
• 43:25
  Speaker 15: That's where the problem with the culture.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Guess you know, it's not all just happening now unless
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: let's not full for let's not full for justin Smith's division,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the coalition had divided.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Support to it. They're going to stick together.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Let me go to let me go to a coalition
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: politician who has made some sense lately, and that's a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: former coalition politician, Scott Morrison. He's skewed alban Easy overnight
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: when he pointed out that mate, he said Albo Hummas
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: didn't support the Morrison government, but hum has praised the
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: alban Easy government. And the Prime Minister responded to this
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: today in a press conference.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Have a look, my government has acted.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Couldby have done better.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely all governments could have done better. That's just a fact.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: But I accept my responsibility as Prime Minister of Australia.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: And you know people are responsible for what happens on
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: their watch.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I do that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I expect others to do the same. Thanks very much, thank.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: You, Janika.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Oh what level is he ever expected to accept the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: responsibility for anything.
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: Well, he hasn't. Yesterday he made those comments. So what
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: about Scott Morrison. Anti Semitism Under Scott Morrison, they didn't
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: have an anti semitism on boy. Well, let's be very clear,
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: prime minister. Firstly, anti semitism wasn't rife under the former
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: Morrison government. And secondly, you had an anti semitism on
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: boy who handed down a report and you let it
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: sit on your desk catching dus for six months. And
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: then it took the murderers of fifteen innocent people Chris
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: for that Prime Minister to go, Actually, maybe I should
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: act on those results so he can come out and
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: pass the buck past the blame. Today he was trying
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: to duck and weave. But look at Scott Morrison, how
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: strong he's actually been on anti semitism since the scenes
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: at the Sydney Opera House. That is a difference in
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: leadership between the two. So the Prime Minister can go,
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: oh no, you know, Scott Morrison, he's just making a
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: fool of himself.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Just shameful are both shameful on this stuff. Now, justin,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I want to give you first crack at Donald Trump.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It's a year now since. Please he began his second term.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: A year into his second term, and have a look
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: at how he showed the world what he's got done
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: in that year.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: These are all things we have.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: I'm going to read a few of the samples.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: But look at this.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: These are all Each line is something that we did.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Nobody did that before, and it's big stuff too. Look,
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: we have the hardest country in the world.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: He just checks it on the floor. Presumably someone picks
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: it up for him.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: Justin.
• 46:05
  Speaker 15: Oh yeah, I don't know. I mean, mate, when you're
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: in the Orange Prince, you don't go around picking up
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: your own papers. It's been another year of egotism and
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: narcissism here. You know, I was thinking about this today
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: about Trump. It's a real shame. And I'm being serious here.
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: It's a real shame that he's not a better guy.
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: It's a real shame that his heart isn't in the
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: right place. It's a real shame that he's not obsessed
• 46:27
  Speaker 15: with himself. Because he's got great communication skills. He can
• 46:31
  Speaker 15: be an incredibly good negotiator. He can actually get things done,
• 46:35
  Speaker 15: but he's getting those things done for himself. It's a
• 46:38
  Speaker 15: real body shame because it's a missed opportunity, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: to I guess to quote Maxwell Smart here, if only
• 46:44
  Speaker 15: he had used his powers for good instead of evil,
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: we could have been in a better place.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That's where we're not.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That's where I think you're off the planet because I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: couldn't care about his personality frankly, or his narcissism. What
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I do care about is he got but the other the.
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: Other thing, justin, justin, don't forget basics. Let's go back
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: to basics. What he also did that there are only
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: two genders, man and a woman, that men shouldn't be
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: in women's sport. He has acted on his mandate to
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: round up illegal immigrants, and he has done that through
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: your eyes, Task Force the man. When he's got a mandate,
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: he has acted on it. He has put America first.
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: And you can't deny that he is putting America first.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you what I do love about
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Trump is how Yeah, I don't deny that at all.
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: Well, I love about Trump planet America first.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Hang on, Yeah, yeah, well he does getting rid of
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: evil tyrants exactly.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It's it's not bad for the world at all.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But what I love about Trump is his hilarious honesty
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: and have out of that what of papers and his
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: achievements for the years.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this one the way he's worded it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: He stripped notorious crackhead and drifter unto Biden of his
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded secrets.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Just brilliant. Now there's another, there's another for the good.
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and you know what, He's done everything that Hunter
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: Biden's father has not, because let's be honest, Joe Biden
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: spent the last six to eight months of his presidency stumbling,
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: mumbling and bumbling and not getting anything done. So I
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: think all credit.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: To Donald Trump.
• 48:15
  Speaker 14: You can like him or loathe him. The man knows
• 48:18
  Speaker 14: the art of the deal and he's certainly gotten America first.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Now let's finish off in Melbourne, which Australian ego. Wow,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think he.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Needs any messaging justin let's have a look at the
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Australian Open I'm folding in your town as we speak,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: and have a look at these pictures of Naomi Osaka
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: last night. Instead of just turning up in a tracksuit
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: and a tennis outfit.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: How about this? What do you make of this? You
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: love a bit of glamor at the tennis? Oh oh my.
• 48:48
  Speaker 15: You know it's a real shame because I just bought
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: exactly the same outfit to wear to the tennis myself,
• 48:53
  Speaker 15: and she's trump's me on it. So that's a damn shame.
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: It's got a butterfly on the on the hat. This
• 48:58
  Speaker 14: is the first time I've noticed that. I thought she
• 49:00
  Speaker 14: was Is it a wedding? It looks a bit wedding
• 49:02
  Speaker 14: esque in my view, Chris, I don't like.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: It personal I think she's a great tennis player, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: she put a lot of pressure on herself because she
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: would have looked pretty silly if she lost the match
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: after that, but she had no trouble whatsoever. All the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: time we've got for it tonight, well, indeed, thanks for
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: joining us justin. Then Danika will catch up with you
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: next week. We've got time, I think for some of
• 49:25
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• 49:27
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• 49:30
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• 49:38
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• 49:42
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• 49:45
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• 49:48
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• 49:52
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• 49:55
  Speaker 1: That is exactly right. Thanks for joining me. Peter Quiblan
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: up next.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm