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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Aftermath Of Her Indictment (6/15/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  Yesterday we were talking about the New Yorker article that
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  profiled Vicky Ward's involvement in the Jeffrey Epstein case and
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  the now infamous two thousand and three Vanity Fair article. Now,
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  we heard from Maria and Annie Farmer for a very
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  long time about Vicky Ward's in action, how she didn't
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  report the whole story, and how she omitted the truth. Now,
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  Vicky Ward, she says that it wasn't her fault. It
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  was the paper's fault. It was Graydon Carter's fault. It
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  was everybody's fault but hers. Meanwhile, she's the one who
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  penned the piece. She's the one who is the alleged journalist. Right,
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  But you let someone like Graydon Carter kill your story.
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  You mean to tell me you have no other friends
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  in the media, nobody else that works for a publication
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  that you could have hit up and said, hey, look
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  this is what I got. I want you to check
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  the very check the and verify it, make sure it's right,
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  and then I want you to run it. You mean
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  to tell me nobody else would have had the courage
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  to do it. I mean, maybe not. We've seen how
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  the legacy media protected Epstein for a long time, so
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  maybe not. But one thing is for sure, Vicky warr
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  trying to pass the buck, trying to make it somebody
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  else's fault is just unacceptable. She eft up here, and
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  that's just the way of it, and her not going
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  to bat for the survivors, not going to bat for
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  Annie and Maria after they spoke with her in confidence,
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  you know, trusted her to try and help them get justice,
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  and for them to not have her push the ball
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  down the field for them after interviewing them and having them,
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  you know, expose everything that happened, and for her not
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  to use that in the story and to go on
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  and write a glowing piece about Epstein is just the
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  nail in the coffin. So this morning we have an
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  article from the Daily Beast, and this article is Vicky
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  Ward's response to the article yesterday from The New Yorker.
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  Now you all know how I feel about context, right,
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  and I want to know the whole story. I'm not
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  here to just hear one side of the story. Ever,
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  I want all of the evidence, as much context as possible,
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  so that I can make as much of an informed
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  decision about what I believe as possible. So let's see
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  what Vicky Ward has to say for herself, shall we?
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  Like I said, this article is from the Daily Beast
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  and the author is Kate Bricklett. Headline Epstein journalist Vicky
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  Ward hits back at the New Yorker end Grayden Carter.
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  So for Vicky Ward's part, it's always been it's the
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  blame is Grayden Carter's. She doesn't shoulder any of this blame.
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  You know, she was just a reporter trying to get
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  a story out there. She wasn't part of the you know,
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  the social scene or anything like that. Again, another one
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  of these people that would have you believe that they're helpless.
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  Journalist Vicky Ward has released what she claims are select
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  transcripts related to her two thousand and three Vanity Fair
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  profile of Jeffrey Epstein, following a critical New Yorker examination
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  into why accusations from two of his survivors were asked
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  from her expose. Now, it's nice to see the legacy
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  media catching up to all of this. But we've been
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  talking about this for over a year and Vicky Ward
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  and her role in helping, you know, build Epstein's profile,
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  helping his rise. You know, a glowing article like this
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  can only help enable Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting behaviors.
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  You're basically giving him credibility. Wart's transcripts, which appear edited
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  and do not include any audio, portray then Vanity Fair
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  editor in chief Graydon Carter as allegedly saying the abuse
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  of a sixteen year old was not that earth shattering.
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  I mean, wow, really, And again, look, I wasn't there.
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  I'm not sitting here trying to defend Grayden Carter either.
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  He's a piece of shit. You're the editor, bro, run
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  the story. What are you scared of? All of these
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  people who are scared of these so called elite. It's
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  just mind boggling to me. They only have the power
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  that you give them back. In two thousand and two,
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  Ward had interviewed siblings Annie and Maria Farmer for her
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  thorough piece The Talented Mister Epstein, but their claims of
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  sexual abuse at the hands of Epstein and his ex
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  girlfriend and accomplice and you know, convicted human trafficker and
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  you know child abuser Glenn mack Well never made it
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  to the final copy. Late last year, Annie was one
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  of four survivors to testify at Maxwell's criminal case. So again,
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  what it does. It just shines a terrible light on
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  Vicky Ward. You mean to tell me you had the
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  information from Annie Farmer all of those years ago and
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  you didn't run it. And now fast forward to twenty
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  twenty two, twenty twenty one, and those allegations are the
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  ones that are used to get a conviction on Maxwell.
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  As a journalist, you shit the bed, and as a
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  human being, you're not a very good one. Ward has
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  argued Vanity Fairs Carter caved to pressure from Epstein and
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  acts the farmers from the Scoop against her wishes, And again,
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  this is a bunch of he said. She said, how
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  do we know who did what or who didn't do what.
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  The fact of the matter is, everybody involved with the
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  decision making process not to run the story is is
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  shouldering their share of the blame. And for Vicky Ward
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  to act like she had nothing to do with it,
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  it's just it's ridiculous, And I don't know anyone who
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  believes that. On Tuesday, The New Yorker published a deeper
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  dive into Ward's assertions of having no say in the
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  farmers being silenced and revealed a more nuanced and less
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  favorable picture of why War didn't break the Epstein trafficking story.
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  The legacy media was protecting Jeffrey Epstein. That's what it was, Okay,
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  the same legacy media that wants you to hate your cousin,
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  hates your neighbor. Yeah, that's same exact legacy media. And
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  it's ridiculous. Vicky Ward, Vanity Fair, Graden Carter, everybody else
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  involved this short. This story should have run, and if
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  it did, who knows how many girls and women it
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  could have saved from a lifetime of misery at the
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  hands of Jeffrey Epstein. But no, you could run the story, right,
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  You're too worried that Jeffrey Epstein might be mad at you.
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  He might show up in his goofy ass slippers and
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  his slippers and his mom jeans, and then what what's
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  he going to do? The article by New Yorker scribe
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  Isaac Chottner also examined Wards for giving twenty and eleven
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  take on Epstein and Maxwell that glossed over their alleged
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  abuse of young women. And you see, if it was
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  one mistake, you could say, all right, well, she made
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  a mistake, but there's a history of this refurbishing Jeffrey
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  Epstein's reputation, helping build it back up, and then in
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  twenty and eleven writing another glossy piece on Epstein on Maxwell.
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  Now fast forward to today, and we should all believe
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  that you're some hard charging journalist who is looking for
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  the truth the whole entire time. He has zero chance
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  that's gonna happen on this show. In response, war tweeted
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  that Chattner's article was riddled with malicious inaccuracies and that
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  she was going to release the transcripts of what Graydon
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  Carter and Maria and Annie Farmer said to me back
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  then so that you can read it for yourself and
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  judge off what Vanity Fair did was right. So again,
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  it's the blame game. Nobody ever wants to take responsibility
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  for the things that they screwed up. I'm so glad
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  that one of the things that was just pounded into
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  my head as a child was self responsibility. You mess up,
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  you own up, and you move on. You fix it
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  if you can, and if not, you make sure you
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  never do it again in the future. We don't see
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  that from Vicky Ward. But Ward told The Daily Beast
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  that she had decided against releasing her transcribed conversations with
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  Annie and Maria. Yeah. Good idea, that's told to you
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  in confidence. You've already, you know, hurt the process with
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  Maria and Annie long enough. Now you're talking about, oh,
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  maybe I'll release transcripts, and again, how do we even
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  know if they're real. I'm not trying to sound like
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  a dick here, right, or a cynical skeptic. But again,
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  I don't just trust people anymore. You know, there's no
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  journalists out there where I'm like, oh, yeah, whatever they say,
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  I trust. I have to verify everything I read these days.
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  I decided it would be wrong to put those out
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  Ward said on Wednesday. At the end of the day,
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  they don't need it. They've been through enough, and that
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  is more important than defending myself. Well, we can agree
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  on that. One thing is for sure. All of the
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  survivors here have been through more than enough. Annie and
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  Marias especially, So you got Vicky Ward out here making
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  things more difficult. It's not a good look. I'm very
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  upset that they're upset. Ward added on the farmers, I
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  feel that we're aligned that we're all fighting the same system,
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  and I hope they're able to get some clarity from
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  reading what I wrote. Yeah, I highly doubt it. And
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  we're not all aligned. If we were all aligned, you
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  would have had that article out about Epstein in two
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  thousand and three, then another chance in twenty and eleven.
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  You didn't do it again. So what do you mean
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  we're all aligned. I'm not aligned with you. We're certainly
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  not allies. In her defense of her reporting, Ward focused
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  on what she said was Carter protecting the patriarchal system
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  that shored up Epstein rather than exposing it. Ah, what
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  a typical low hanging fruit to go to. So it's
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  the patriarchy. Huh. The patriarchy held you back from not
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  exposing this Again, you could have brought this information to
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  a million different outlets. You chose not to. You chose
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  to be silenced by Graydon Carter, or you chose to
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  help harbor the reputation of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell.
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  Either way, you're a coward. Carter war told The Daily
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  Beast had a bromance with Epstein and said they formed
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  their own back channel to Underminer as she worked to
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  report on claims that Epstein prayed on young women. Again,
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  that might be true. I'm not saying it's not. I
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  don't know. I wasn't there, and I'm sure Graydon Carter
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  isn't a great person either. But for her to try
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  and you know, shrug off all of the responsibility onto
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  somebody else, it's disgusting. Take your piece of the blame
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  here and do a better job. She also said she's
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  been marginalized by sexist journalism utilizing anonymous sources, and questioned
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  the purpose of the New Yorker piece, which she described
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  as vindictive, personal, slanted, and inaccurate. I mean, look, this
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  is the way of it, Vicky Ward. You're out here,
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  you know, somebody who is hanging out with Glene Maxwell,
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  friendly with them, right, puff pieces on them, and then
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  when the chickens come home to roost, now it's about
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  the patriarchy and and how uh you know it's sexist.
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  Come on, man, What that does is it just takes
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  all responsibility away from her for her actions and says, oh,
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  it's the system's fault, why I reacted this way. Guess what,
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  you sometimes you got to be willing to go against
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  the system. You have to be willing to put it
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  all on the line. On Wednesday, word defender defended herself
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  in her Substack newsletter with a post titled what the
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  New Yorker got Wrong. She took shots at Carter, whom
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  she accused of being a self congratulatory male adoration club
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  with Epstein again with the attack on mails, and it's
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  all guys fault, I mean, don't don't get me wrong. Well,
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  plenty of scumbag dudes, right, but in this specific instance,
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  has nothing to do with it. She could have went
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  to anybody with this story, she did not. She chronicled
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  what she claimed were written records of certain conversations between
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  herself and Epstein and Carter, and a conference call with
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  the two men, and other damning details about her old boss.
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  She claimed she provided these transcripts to Chattener, but he
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  didn't include them in his story. Are they both under age?
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  Carter allegedly asked Ward of the farmers, and again he
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  didn't include it in his story. How's he going to
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  verify it? If anyone can hand over some notes and
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  be like, oh, these are the actual notes, these are
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  the notes, But how can someone verify that? So I
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  don't blame Chottenner for not running that one was in
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  her very early twenties. Ward replied, and one was sixteen. Okay,
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  the sixteen, I mean, what people do in their private
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  lives I mean is not that, you know, earth shattering.
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  I think the money thing is more interesting. Carter allegedly said, Now,
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  I do not doubt that these dudes have no they
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  don't care if someone's sixteen, what do they care. They
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  have all the money in the world, all the power
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  in the world. They can get away with whatever they want.
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  So to Carter, that's just a shoulder shrugging situation, because,
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  like we always talk about, that kind of shit is
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  normalized for these sick people in her substack. Rebuttal Ward
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  wrights think about that sixteen what people do in their
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  private lives is not that earth shattering in hindsight, the
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  poor farmers didn't stand a chance against that attitude, nor
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  did I again setting herself up as a victim as well, Sorry,
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  Vicky Ward, You're not a victim. You were in a
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  position where you could have made a change, You could
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  have made a difference, and you did not. That's what
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  it all comes down to. Right Ward also alleges Carter
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  himself behaved inappropriately by dishing the details of his private
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  life that involved the former employee, She writes, And how
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  did he think I felt during years of being on
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  the receiving end of critical remarks about my clothes, mutton
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  dressed as lamb my face, save the botox for when
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  you need it? And my marriage again, what does any
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  of that have to do with anything? Trying to set
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  herself up and build this profile of Oh woe is me,
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  poor Vicky Ward? And if he was such an asshole
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  and such a dick and vanity fair was such a
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  bad outlet to ride for, why wouldn't you go over
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  their head and try and scoop them and give the
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  story to someone else. Unfortunately, it seems that the same
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  misogyny is prevalent at the top of Conde Nasty today.
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  Ward ads bash the woman is the message, rather than
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  report the inconvenient facts. The same patriarchy that victimized and
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  tortured these women is once again circling the wagons to
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  protect itself. I mean, is she for real? This is
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  just I really doubt anyone believes that. Okay, to try
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  and use that as your defense is just wow. I
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  don't even know what else to say about that. As
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  for comment on Ward's accusations, Carter said in an email, sorry,
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  it's impossible to deal with the serial liar. Nothing Vicky
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  Ward says is true nothing, As McCarthy said of Lillian Hellman, Carter,
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  referring to dueling writers Mary McCarthy and Lillian Hellman, would
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  not comment further when asked if Ward's transcripts are fake. Again,
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  nobody knows who knows what she wrote. Meanwhile, Ward's apparent
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  transcripts of her calls with Epstein don't reveal her directly
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  grilling him about Annie and Maria's sexual abuse accusations. There
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  was the implication that Maria Farmer finally Ohio or left
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  because she felt there was some sort of sexual pressure.
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  Ward told Epstein, who replied for who Ward answered from you.
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  Ward told the Daily Beasts that later she sent Epstein
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  a list of specific questions via facts, and that call
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  with the financier was only an initial conversation. She can't
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  even get her real her story right. So again, I
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  just I don't believe any of it, and obviously it's
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  up to all of you to believe what you want
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  to believe. But for me, none of this makes sense,
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  and it just seems like another cover your ass situation.
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  I'm feeling him out in the call, and then he
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  goes to see Graydon Carter. Ward said, then Graydon told
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  me the next day that he believes Jeffrey Epstein over
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  the Farmers. So again it's all great war. Graydon Carter's fault, right,
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  And don't get me wrong, scumbag. But Vicky Ward, you're
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  not an adult here. You're just somebody who stands around.
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  You're an automaton who does what they're told. Both Annie
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  and Maria have said Vanity Fair's exclusion of their interviews
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  and corroborating information from their mother was painful for their family,
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  and that in recent years, when Ward wanted to interview
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  them again, Maria had to tell her to stop harassing them.
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  Maria told The Daily Beast that the New Yorker story
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  was an incomplete analysis of her lies and her cover
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  of for her friends Jeffrey and Galaane. No matter what
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  Vicky Ward does, it's to help Vicky Ward, Maria fumed,
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  Vicky Ward has never once cared about the children involved
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  in this story. About my baby sister, who is fifteen
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  when this happened, she doesn't care about anything but prestige
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  and money. Maria is not wrong there, She's one hundred
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  percent correct. That's all these people care about. How do
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  I further my career? And if that means harboring the
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  reputation of somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, well so be it.
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  Maria said that when the Epstein case made headlines in
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  recent years, Ward would contact her and her family and
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  hound them for interviews via phone and in letters. She
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  has milked us to death. Maria said, I have a
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  real problem with Vicky because her story has never seemed
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  to line up. Maria added, how dare she try to
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  defend herself right now? And look the rage that Maria feels.
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  It's it's not fake, Okay, I know that for sure,
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  and I know that for a fact. Maria is she
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  feels very wronged by Vicky Ward, and I don't blame her. Annie,
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  in her own statement to The Daily Beast, said, Ward
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  appears to me to be more concerned about protecting her
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  reputation than she ever was about protecting girls and young
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  women from a pair of predators. Instead of pointing fingers.
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  I wish all parties were taking more ownership for their mistakes.
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  Annie continued, the dissection of what went wrong in two
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  thousand and two is relevant because many members of the
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  media still need to learn how to engage ethically with
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  individuals coming forward with allegations of abuse, rather than re
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  traumatize them and people in the media blue check marks
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  on Twitter especially, you should read that paragraph again. When
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  you have these survivors being more comfortable talking to people
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  in the independent media, independent content creators, than they are
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  just speaking to regular journalists who are supposed to be
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  digging for the truth, you know that there's a big problem.
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  And it just goes back to the fact that nobody
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  trusts the legacy media anymore because this is what happens.
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  They stick up for their buddies, predators go un called out,
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  and then when the chickens come home to roost, when
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  it's found out that you were up to nonsense, there's
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  never any apologies. It's just more, oh, it wasn't me,
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  and it's gross. It's disgusting, and people like Annie and Maria,
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  they deserve a lot better from the legacy media. Still
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  Ward says she is entitled to defend herself in light
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  of the New Yorker story, and she doesn't believe she's
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  done so at the farmer's expense. Look, I agree everyone
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  should be able to defend themselves, but with that said,
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  it doesn't mean I'm going to believe what you're pitching.
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  In recent years, Ward came forward to say that she
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  believes the farmers claims, and capitalized on the Epstein scandal
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  with a three parts special Chasing Glaine on Discovery Plus
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  and an audible podcast of the same title. It cracks
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  me up. I'm not gonna digress to far here, but
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  all of these podcasts that all of a sudden have
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  popped up recently about Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein comical
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  at best. She first accused Carter of excising the women
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  from her story in a twenty fifteen column for The
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  Daily Beast. It came down to my sources word against Epstein's,
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  and at the time Graydon believed Epstein. Ward wrote, in
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  my notebook, I have him saying I believe him. I'm Canadian,
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  what does that mean? I don't believe you and I'm Italian.
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  So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Chottner
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  interviewed Ward about his story of covering Epstein and Maxwell
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  after the latter was convicted in late December of grooming
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  girls for the multi millionaire Pedophile. Many of the things
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  she told me and had told her podcast listeners turned
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  out to be untrue, Chottenner writes, and for those of
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  you out there listening to the podcast right now, you
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  know for a fact that that's one of the number
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  one things when it comes to podcasts. That's important. Getting
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  the story straight and can consistency the two most important
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  things Ward has Neither is it a ten part series
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  where it's filled with all kinds of bs. According to Chattner,
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  all publications, including this one, at times look back on
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  stories and regret not pursuing them further. But Ward's claim
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  that Vanity Fair prevented her from exposing Epstein misrepresents a
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  more complicated reality. That's factual, definitely a more complicated reality.
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  But she could have made it less complicated by just
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  taking the story elsewhere. Again, I know that sounds easy,
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  and it's easy for me to say it's not my
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  livelihood on the line, But guess what, Sometimes you have
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  to have courage, and if you're going to be a journalist,
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  especially your job as a member of the Fourth Estate,
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  is to hold people of a power to account. Chattner,
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  adds Carter, who now says that he distrusted Ward as
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  a reporter, has offered conflicting explanations for his magazine's decision
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  not to run the sister's allegations. For her part, Ward
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  has repeatedly misrepresented her reporting on Epstein, changing her story
• 23:06
  from year to year and at times from day to day,
• 23:09
  and was a far less heroic actor than she would
• 23:12
  have audiences believe. Yeah, it's nice to see Chatterer's getting
• 23:17
  caught up on this. We've only been talking about this
• 23:19
  for over two years. Maria was a twenty six year
• 23:24
  old art student in New York when she met Epstein
• 23:26
  in Maxwell and claims the duo sexually assaulted her in
• 23:29
  nineteen ninety six. During the alleged assault, Farmer had been
• 23:33
  staying at the home of Epstein's pal, former Limited Brands
• 23:37
  chairman Les Wexner, and Maria's story is one that is
• 23:42
  pretty uh disgusting and sad. She's told her story here
• 23:47
  on this podcast before she's told it elsewhere. And I
• 23:51
  think that Maria and Annie, if they would have just
• 23:56
  been listened to, all of this could have been stopped.
• 24:01
  The creepy couple also prayed on Maria's sixteen year old
• 24:04
  sister Annie, who was growth by Maxwell during a visit
• 24:07
  to Epstein's new Mexico compound. At Maxwell's criminal trial, Annie
• 24:11
  said she was frozen in fear when the socialite, pedophile,
• 24:15
  convicted human trafficker molested her. And again, we all heard
• 24:19
  Annie's testimony, we all read it, and we all know
• 24:22
  how harrowing that must have been for her. Last July,
• 24:26
  Maria told Page six she was tired of Ward allegedly
• 24:29
  profiting from her and Annie's experience with Epstein. I am horrified.
• 24:33
  Just leave us alone. Can't you make money off of
• 24:35
  other victims? Maria told the outlet. Ahead of Ward's podcast premiere.
• 24:39
  She added, whenever we hear the name Vicky Ward, we cringe.
• 24:43
  Ward responded that she made an effort to really apologize
• 24:46
  to Maria in the podcast. She has done a great disservice.
• 24:49
  Ward told Page six Epstein ruined her life. I'm hugely
• 24:53
  sorry for my role in that. She obviously sees me
• 24:56
  as the enemy, which is very upsetting. Well, look, you
• 25:00
  had a chance to help her. You had a chance
• 25:02
  to go and tell the world what happened. And you
• 25:05
  did not. You sat on it. And because of that,
• 25:08
  I can't even begin to tell you the struggles that
• 25:11
  Maria has had since then, cancer issues with hiding from
• 25:16
  these people. There's no way to live your life, and
• 25:19
  she deserves a lot better than that from Vicky Ward
• 25:21
  and the rest of these pieces of shit. In Schattner's piece,
• 25:26
  Carter initially recalled that he edited Ward's first draft of
• 25:30
  her two thousand and three story and that there was
• 25:32
  no mention of young women in it. Emails showed, however,
• 25:36
  that Ward had discussed the Farmer's sexual abuse accusations with
• 25:39
  fact checkers and a photo editor weeks before her deadline.
• 25:43
  Carter and I also spoke on the phone, Shotner writes,
• 25:46
  and he told me that the decision not to run
• 25:49
  the Farmer's allegation was likely influenced by Ward's professional reputation.
• 25:54
  My staff, to a person, did not trust her. Then
• 25:57
  why is she working for you? Why do we have
• 26:00
  people in the media or in the journalist rooms who
• 26:04
  are not trusted. If nobody trusts you and you're a liar,
• 26:07
  why are you giving the news to the rest of us.
• 26:12
  It's amazing to me. Fire her. Then in the three
• 26:16
  years after Epstein's profile, Ward continue to write about the
• 26:19
  wealthy sex offender and mingle with Maxwell and Manhattan society circles.
• 26:24
  Her bylines included a casual two thousand and eight Vanity
• 26:27
  Fair item about rumors that Epstein would flee to Israel
• 26:30
  to avoid jail time for soliciting a minor in Florida.
• 26:34
  The story closes with an impertinent exchange, Well, I guess
• 26:38
  you and I have history by now, Jeffrey, I told them,
• 26:41
  thinking of my two thousand and three article. He replied,
• 26:44
  you know how many girls say that to me? Oh?
• 26:47
  How cute? What a loving moment between you two absolute scoundrels.
• 26:54
  The next column, in twenty and eleven, was effusive about Maxwell,
• 26:58
  the very woman Annie used of abuse in an interview
• 27:01
  with Ward about nine years before. So after that she
• 27:05
  knew all of this, Vicky Ward, she had been hip
• 27:07
  to all of this by Annie and Maria and had
• 27:10
  hindsight as her benefit. And she's still hanging out with
• 27:13
  Glene Maxwell. So anything she says after that should not
• 27:16
  be taken seriously. This is not to say I didn't
• 27:22
  hear stories about the girls, Ward wrote, I did, but
• 27:25
  not knowing quite whom to believe. I concentrated on the
• 27:28
  intriguing financial mystery instead, Ward added, and they didn't even
• 27:33
  dig deep there. The financial aspect of this case is
• 27:35
  one of the most interesting aspects to me, and for
• 27:39
  her to act like she's really dug deep here is
• 27:41
  laughable at best. Ward added, Sure, Jeffrey had his sexual peccadillos,
• 27:47
  but then Glaane's father was not without his oddities. Again,
• 27:50
  what about is? And what does that even mean? His peccadillos?
• 27:53
  You mean abusing children and raping women. That's peccadillos to you. Huh.
• 27:58
  I guess when you're part of the soap call Delite
• 28:00
  and you do that sort of shit, It's just a peccadillo.
• 28:05
  Ward says. Her original copy said we concentrated instead of
• 28:09
  I because she wanted to cover for Vanity far and Carter.
• 28:12
  She says she always believed the farmers, but an editor
• 28:15
  changed your copy and made it seem otherwise. Oh is
• 28:19
  that right again? And you never came out with your
• 28:22
  own version? And Glaine full disclosure. I like her, most
• 28:27
  people in New York do. It's almost impossible not to,
• 28:30
  Ward wrote, She is always the most interesting, the most vivacious,
• 28:34
  the most unusual person in any room. Oh, give me
• 28:37
  a fucking break, breaking news. I guarantee you I know
• 28:40
  people in New York who don't like Glaine Maxwell. Okay,
• 28:43
  I promise you that she's not the most interesting person anywhere. Ever.
• 28:49
  I've spent hours talking to her about the Third World?
• 28:51
  Do you mean the developing world again? Remember, folks, when
• 28:55
  these people are up there calling everybody else racist or
• 28:57
  misogynists or whatever it might be, this is the way
• 29:00
  they look at the developing world. Oh, it's the third world,
• 29:03
  speaking of it in derogatory terms, like there's places. I've
• 29:10
  spent hours talking to her about the Third World at
• 29:12
  a bar until two am. She is as passionate as
• 29:15
  she is knowledgeable. She is curious. She has spent weeks
• 29:18
  at the bottom of the ocean, literally going deeper than
• 29:20
  anyone else. She should have just stayed there, Okay, with
• 29:23
  the world to be a better place. Nobody cares if
• 29:26
  she's out here acting like Jacques Cousteau. Nobody gives a fuck.
• 29:31
  Asked about this language, Ward told the Daily Beasts that
• 29:33
  Maxwell had an extraordinary charisma, but claimed she didn't know
• 29:37
  her well. She said they'd run into each other sporadically
• 29:40
  at a book launch or a movie premiere. This is
• 29:42
  somebody I would run into at an event. It's not
• 29:45
  somebody I would be having lunch with. Ward said, I
• 29:47
  think people have got the wrong impression. Ward added that
• 29:50
  she had no idea the heiress, pedophile, human trafficker, child abuser,
• 29:57
  procured children for Epstein. Nah, you had no idea. Nobody
• 30:00
  knew anything. She's a journalist. It's her job to know.
• 30:04
  But she had no idea. Sure, I think we should
• 30:06
  just believe everything, Vicky Ward tells us. Ward told Schattner
• 30:11
  that her draft was quite different from the finished feature
• 30:14
  posted on Vanity Fair's website. This piece got sent to
• 30:18
  Graydon and somebody altered it dramatically, Ward claimed, really really dramatically.
• 30:23
  As proof Word forwarded Shatner her emails with Vanity Fair editors,
• 30:28
  and her supposed first draft. According to Chotner, the draft
• 30:32
  was extremely similar to the published piece, and specifically said
• 30:35
  that she would she was unsure of whom to believe.
• 30:39
  The sentence about sexual peccadillos was in that copy too.
• 30:43
  Now again she's being called out here, she's being outed
• 30:48
  aired out, and she's still not willing to take responsibility,
• 30:52
  so I leave it up to you folks as usual,
• 30:55
  to decide if her content's worth you even bothering with, Chotner, says.
• 31:01
  Ward claims she included precise allegations from the farmers in
• 31:05
  her twenty and eleven write up, but someone at Vanity
• 31:07
  Fair removed them, but a copy of the draft, Chottner writes,
• 31:10
  revealed that Annie's accusations about Maxwell's unwonted massage and Epstein
• 31:15
  climbing into her bed had never been included. Asked why
• 31:19
  Annie's claims about Maxwell were left out, Ward told Schottner,
• 31:22
  I wish I could remember. She added that she was
• 31:25
  deliberately covering for Carter, who denied Ward's claims. Who denied
• 31:29
  Ward's claims, So you were covering for Carter, proving that
• 31:32
  you're willing to lie, proving that you're willing to not
• 31:35
  have a backbone. So again, blow the whole entire thing up.
• 31:39
  They both get their share of the blame. Vicky Ward
• 31:41
  as the author, Vicky Ward as the person who's supposed
• 31:44
  to have the confidence of these girls, completely blew the
• 31:46
  confidence out of the water, and now here we are.
• 31:52
  Twenty eleven was a year I made a lot of
• 31:55
  bad decisions, Ward said, mentioning that she was going through
• 31:57
  a divorce. I was not mentally well. Oh please, none
• 32:01
  of us are mentally well. Okay, try waking up every
• 32:03
  single morning and not knowing where your next meal's coming
• 32:07
  from or if your bills are going to be paid
• 32:08
  that month. Chantner pressed Ward on why she wrote the
• 32:13
  twenty eleven essay in light of her claims that Epstein
• 32:16
  threatened her before the first prile A profile was published.
• 32:20
  She replied, in part, I think the reason I did
• 32:22
  it was that the media industry was imploding. And this
• 32:25
  may seem bizarre, but by being able to write about
• 32:28
  it so flippantly, I think it made me feel good. Actually,
• 32:31
  the media was imploding. It's been imploding forever. So you
• 32:35
  writing for about Epstein or this story is going to
• 32:37
  save the media complex. Imagine having this kind of opinion
• 32:42
  of yourself. Ward isn't the only high profile reporter covering
• 32:46
  the Epstein case to come under fire. Last week, victims
• 32:50
  Courtney Wilde and Hayley Robson filed a defamation suit against
• 32:53
  storied Miami Herald journalist Julie K. Brown, saying she mis
• 32:58
  excuse me saying she misrepresented their stories in her twenty
• 33:02
  and twenty one book. Well, folks, again, that's why this
• 33:06
  podcast exists, so that we can go through these stories
• 33:10
  that come out on a daily basis, pick them apart,
• 33:13
  find the golden gems, and discard the rest of it.
• 33:16
  Because it's not just been Vicky Ward covering for Epstein.
• 33:21
  It was the whole entire media complex up until about
• 33:23
  twenty nineteen. So for these clowns to act like, you know, oh,
• 33:28
  it was just Vicky Ward or just Graydon Carter, that's
• 33:30
  a joke. But what Vicky Ward and Graydon Carter did here,
• 33:34
  according to Maria and Annie, absolutely out of bounds, and honestly,
• 33:41
  it goes a long way with helping Jeffrey Epstein and
• 33:44
  Glenn Maxwell continue to do this. So Vicky Ward coming
• 33:49
  out here trying to defend herself while she's more than
• 33:53
  you know, able to do that, right, she should have
• 33:56
  the right to defend herself. Again, it falls flat to me.
• 34:00
  There's nothing there in this defense that would make me say, ah,
• 34:02
  you know what, maybe I should reevaluate this, especially considering
• 34:06
  i've i've I've spoken with Maria personally, so I don't
• 34:11
  buy any of it. I've never bought Vicky Ward's story
• 34:14
  and I've never really thought of her as a reliable
• 34:17
  narrator as usual, though, I'll leave that up to you,
• 34:20
  folks to decide. That's gonna do it for this morning's update.
• 34:25
  I'll be back later on tonight obviously with you know,
• 34:28
  the evening update, and until then some context episodes come
• 34:31
  in your way. If you'd like to contact me, you
• 34:34
  can do that at Bobby Capuci at Protonmeil dot com.
• 34:37
  That's bo b b Y c ap you c c
• 34:40
  I at Protonmeil dot com. You can also find me
• 34:44
  on Twitter at bo bb y underscore c A p
• 34:48
  U C c I. The link that we discussed can
• 34:51
  be found in the description box. All right, everybody, I
• 34:54
  will be back later on and I hope all of
• 34:56
  you have a great morning. What's up every and welcome
• 35:01
  back to the Epstein Chronicles. Hope that everybody out there
• 35:04
  is having a gray morning so far. You know, I've
• 35:08
  lived in the city my whole entire life. First I
• 35:11
  lived in New York and then I moved to Las Vegas,
• 35:15
  so I've never lived outside of the concrete jungle. Well, folks,
• 35:20
  that's going to change. Recently, my girlfriend and I, Carrie,
• 35:24
  we have started looking at land in places like Montana, Wyoming,
• 35:30
  Northern Nevada, Idaho. You get the drift, and it's about
• 35:35
  time for us to make our escape out of the city.
• 35:41
  I used to love the city, folks, I used to
• 35:44
  love the feel of it, you know, the the excitement,
• 35:47
  the energy. But at least here in Las Vegas, that's
• 35:51
  not the case anymore. Seems like every time I leave
• 35:54
  the house, it's a whole entire ordeal. All kinds of
• 35:59
  moron everywhere. Rude people, people who are just so caught
• 36:04
  up in whatever kind of nonsense they have going on
• 36:07
  that they can't be concerned with being kind to other
• 36:10
  people or showing even the littlest amount of respect. And frankly,
• 36:16
  I'm sick of it. I can't deal with it anymore.
• 36:19
  I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the vibe, and
• 36:22
  I'm just tired of just all of the sadness and
• 36:27
  sorrow that you see in the big cities. I know
• 36:31
  that I can leave my house right now and drive
• 36:33
  for five minutes, five ten minutes tops, and be at
• 36:36
  a homeless encampment, and I don't live in the middle
• 36:40
  of the ghetto or anything like that. But it's endemic
• 36:44
  everywhere you go, and for me, I've had enough. Are
• 36:50
  local officials. They can't handle the situation. They're way too busy,
• 36:54
  you know, shoving money in their pockets, being greedy, not
• 36:58
  doing the right thing playing and meanwhile the rest of
• 37:02
  us suffer. So for me, I'm hitting the ejec button, folks,
• 37:07
  I am checking out and we're headed to the mountains
• 37:12
  to them there mountains, because it's crazy every single time
• 37:17
  I go out. I mean personally, I don't have to
• 37:21
  deal with it for the most part, I just I
• 37:23
  keep my distance from people in general. I don't get
• 37:26
  caught up in any kind of like road rage types
• 37:29
  of situations. I may leave me alone and I'll leave
• 37:32
  you alone kind of person these days. But it's just
• 37:35
  the things that I observe while I'm out, people fighting
• 37:38
  in line at the grocery store. Oh you're too close
• 37:41
  to me. Oh you're not wearing a mask, and it's
• 37:44
  just all crazy to me. And while we're busy dealing
• 37:48
  with that nonsense, arguing with each other at each other's throats,
• 37:52
  the scumbags like Glain Maxwell and her friends, well they're
• 37:55
  having a field day. Have you taken a look at
• 37:58
  the transfer of wealth throughout this pandemic from the bottom up?
• 38:02
  If not, I suggest you do so to get some
• 38:04
  perspective about who the true enemy really is. And I
• 38:08
  promise you it's not some dunderhead on Twitter who has
• 38:11
  a different opinion than you do about vaccines or politics.
• 38:16
  Those aren't your enemies. Your enemies are the people behind
• 38:20
  the scenes pulling the strings. Those are our enemies. And
• 38:24
  for me, I'm not gonna play the game. I'm not
• 38:28
  playing that game where I hate people or I'm rude
• 38:31
  to people who have different opinions than me. I don't
• 38:34
  live in an echo chamber of folks. And one of
• 38:37
  the things I'm proudest of about this podcast is that
• 38:40
  there's so many people from so many different walks of
• 38:42
  life who listen to it. Hardcore socialists, hardcore maga folks,
• 38:48
  and they all get it right. People out there who
• 38:50
  are listening to me, they understand I'm not somebody sitting
• 38:53
  here with an extra grind. I don't really care about
• 38:55
  either of these ridiculous political parties. I spent too much
• 39:00
  time carrying water for them when I was younger, and
• 39:03
  now that the curtain's been pulled back. I don't have
• 39:06
  any I don't have a dog in the fight. If
• 39:09
  you will, I think both sides are absolutely harmful to us,
• 39:13
  and I don't think either side has any good ideas
• 39:15
  at this point. So for me, the best move is
• 39:19
  to just eject and get out of that rat race.
• 39:22
  And that's my plan, folks, to buy a piece of
• 39:24
  land and a couple of animals and call it a day.
• 39:28
  So I've been doing that the last couple of days. Well,
• 39:31
  I've had a little bit of downtime, and man oh man,
• 39:35
  what a bunch of beautiful parcels of land I've found.
• 39:39
  So hopefully by the end of the year I'll be
• 39:42
  able to get out of Dodge and at the very
• 39:44
  least buy my piece of land and start working on it.
• 39:48
  Plan on also while I'm there, to benefit for everybody,
• 39:51
  by the way, having a studio built, a pretty uh
• 39:56
  self contained studio right there on the property, so I
• 39:58
  don't have to leave anymore either. That's the biggest plan.
• 40:01
  I want enough land where I don't have to leave
• 40:04
  if I don't want to. I could wake up in
• 40:05
  the morning, hop on my ATV, go drive around, go fishing.
• 40:09
  Whatever it might be. But this city rat race that
• 40:13
  I've been living in for forty one years, Yeah, that's
• 40:16
  over for me, folks. I've had enough. I've had my
• 40:19
  phil And with the perfect storm upon us, the pandemic
• 40:23
  and everyone being able to work, you know, remotely for
• 40:26
  the most part, it's the perfect time. So I'm definitely
• 40:32
  putting up themselves, leaving the harbor and heading out into
• 40:35
  the open water. All right, So onto our topic for
• 40:40
  the day. Now, we all know the current situation with
• 40:44
  Glenn Maxwell. We all know that Juror number fifty Scottie
• 40:48
  David threw a wrench into things. Doesn't mean there's automatically
• 40:53
  going to be a mistrial, but it is something that
• 40:55
  has to be discussed now because of the situation, and
• 41:00
  I am possibly lying about his circumstances, So we all
• 41:05
  know that that is at the forefront right now. Well,
• 41:08
  on the back end of all of this, let's remember
• 41:10
  Glenn Maxwell still has to face trial for perjury charges.
• 41:15
  So now the prosecution is dangling dropping those perjury charges.
• 41:22
  If Maxwell just goes along with the conviction that she's
• 41:26
  already been hit with, now, I don't see any way
• 41:29
  that she gets off on these perjury charges and she's
• 41:32
  looking at ten years with those, so I would think
• 41:36
  that it's maybe a bit of an enticement. But is
• 41:39
  it enough, that's the question, And I guess we'll have
• 41:42
  to see. But my gut feeling is that it's not
• 41:46
  going to be enough to entice her to not try
• 41:49
  and chase this mistrial. I think that her best bet.
• 41:53
  And while it's still I don't think it's likely to happen,
• 41:58
  but it's her best bet, that mistrial. All right, So
• 42:03
  with that said, let's take a look at this article
• 42:06
  from the Daily Mail and let's see what they have
• 42:09
  to say about this whole situation. Now, this article was
• 42:13
  authored by Lawrence Dollamore. Headline Prosecutors offered a drop perjury
• 42:19
  charges against Glaine Maxwell if sex trafficking conviction is allowed
• 42:24
  to stand, as her lawyers argue compelling basis for retrial
• 42:28
  after jurors sex abuse revelation. Well, I will say this
• 42:32
  about the Daily Mail. They leave the league in long
• 42:36
  headlines and the world's longest headlines. Good lord, could the
• 42:40
  headlines be any longer? Over at the Daily Mail, they
• 42:43
  give you the whole story right there in the headline
• 42:45
  for the most part. Prosecutors are willing to drop two
• 42:50
  charges of perjury against disgraced socialite eh child trafficker Gallage
• 42:55
  Maxwell if a conviction for sex trafficking is allowed to
• 42:58
  stand court document and showed on Monday. So there's always
• 43:02
  a flurry of court documents going into the court trying
• 43:06
  to get a file to the docket, and I try
• 43:10
  and keep up on all of those as much as possible,
• 43:13
  so whenever they come through, I'll do a quick read
• 43:15
  through and make sure we're on the right page and
• 43:18
  you know we're not navigating off into la la land.
• 43:21
  And while I'm talking about that, quick shout out to
• 43:25
  Lady h over there on Twitter, who is always all
• 43:28
  over it and always making sure that I have the
• 43:31
  proper documentation to go through. And folks like that, like
• 43:36
  Lady h Boy, I'll tell you what they are very
• 43:39
  important to people like me who are creating content because
• 43:43
  we're not superhumans, right, There's things I miss all the time.
• 43:47
  And all of you fantastic listeners who are locked into
• 43:51
  the case have added so much that I can't even
• 43:55
  begin to explain how awesome you all are. But lady
• 43:59
  h over there on Twitter has I mean, since the
• 44:02
  jump kept the core documents fresh and coming. So a
• 44:06
  lot of props to her and definitely a shout out.
• 44:11
  The sixty year old could spend the rest of her
• 44:13
  life behind bars after a jury convicted her of recruiting
• 44:17
  and grooming young girls to be sexually abused by the
• 44:20
  late American financier in pedophile Jeffrey Epstein last month. Why
• 44:25
  do we have to call him a financier? And furthermore,
• 44:27
  what the f was this guy financing? He wasn't financing anybody.
• 44:31
  He wasn't a financier. He was a thief and a
• 44:34
  money launderer and a child molester and a rapist. Okay,
• 44:38
  that's what he was. She is due to be sentenced
• 44:42
  at a later date, but there is ongoing disagreement over
• 44:46
  when a timetable should be set. Prosecutors want the British
• 44:50
  born Maxwell sentenced within three to four months, but her
• 44:53
  defense team as opposed setting a date and there is
• 44:56
  a compelling basis to overturn her conviction prosecuted. I mean,
• 45:01
  the defense team doesn't want to set this date yet
• 45:04
  because they're hanging their hat on hopefully this mistrial, So
• 45:08
  they don't want to set this date until they get
• 45:09
  the mistrial stuff set up and ready to go. He
• 45:13
  demanded a new trial after a juror revealed he had
• 45:17
  helped convict Maxwell by telling fellow jury members about his
• 45:21
  experience of sexual abuse. And again, he's allowed to rely
• 45:26
  on his past experiences as a human being when he's
• 45:29
  making the case to the other jurors in the room
• 45:32
  to try and explain his opinions and how he came
• 45:36
  to his decision making. What he is not allowed to do, however,
• 45:39
  is lie about those circumstances during the questionnaire period. So again,
• 45:44
  like we've been saying, and it's a dead horse at
• 45:46
  this point, it's all about that questionnaire and whether or
• 45:49
  not he lied on that. According to court documents dated
• 45:57
  January tenth, the US government is now offered to drop
• 46:00
  two perjury charges linked to claims Maxwell made in twenty
• 46:04
  sixteen deposition in a separate civil lawsuit, should the sex
• 46:08
  crime conviction stand. Each perjury charge carries a maximum five
• 46:13
  year prison term, So she's cooked on those perjury charges,
• 46:17
  no doubt about that. She's definitely gonna get convicted on those,
• 46:21
  So it would be a good idea for her team
• 46:25
  to definitely consider this. In my opinion, because she's gone,
• 46:29
  She's gonna get the time on perjury. It's rather obvious
• 46:31
  she lied, So it's certainly something that the team has
• 46:35
  to discuss. But at the end of the day, is
• 46:38
  it going to be enough to entice them to drop
• 46:41
  their thoughts of a mistrial of that? I think it's
• 46:45
  going to be a hard sell. The charges alleged the
• 46:49
  convicted sex trafficker lied under oath by hiding her participation
• 46:53
  in Epstein's offenses during separate civil case brought against her
• 46:57
  by Prince Andrew's accuser, Virginia Robert. And kudos here for
• 47:01
  the Daily Mail finally getting on board. The charges alleged
• 47:05
  the convicted sex trafficker lied under oath. That is what
• 47:08
  she is, a convicted sex trafficker, an absolutely horrendous human being.
• 47:14
  If you want to call her a human being, I
• 47:16
  prefer bipedal serpent. But you get the drift here. This
• 47:20
  lady should not be called a socialite and ex socialite
• 47:23
  any of that. She is a convicted sex offender. You
• 47:26
  made that bed, Glenn Maxwell, now enjoy lying in it.
• 47:30
  Confirming their position in the letter to Judge Allison J. Nathan,
• 47:33
  the US government said, in the event the defendants post
• 47:36
  trial motions are denied. The government is prepared to dismiss
• 47:40
  the severed perjury counts at the time of sentencing in
• 47:44
  light of the survivor's significant interests in bringing closure to
• 47:48
  this matter and avoiding the trauma of testifying again. And
• 47:52
  we talked about this a little bit yesterday. It's gotta
• 47:55
  be traumatic, right, coming back, got to testify again, relive
• 47:58
  all of this, the nightmare, the night sweats, the anticipation
• 48:02
  the day before. I mean, come on, have any of
• 48:06
  you ever had a big day that you had and
• 48:08
  you were you nervous about it, You weren't really looking
• 48:11
  forward to it, maybe like surgery or something like that.
• 48:14
  I know I've had both of my shoulders fully reconstructed
• 48:17
  due to injuries that I've picked up being a moron
• 48:22
  in my life. And every single night that I was
• 48:26
  laying there in bed before those surgeries, I was scared shitless.
• 48:30
  So I can only imagine laying there before a trial,
• 48:34
  getting up there to air out your whole life in
• 48:36
  front of the whole world. That there has to be
• 48:38
  so much anxiety in the best of times, never mind
• 48:41
  if you were sexually abused or raped or trafficked by
• 48:44
  sick fucks like this, So in the interest of them
• 48:48
  not having to revisit the trauma, I'm all for it
• 48:51
  as long as Maxwell is punished the right way. If
• 48:59
  any of the defendants postrial motions are granted, the government
• 49:02
  proposes that the parties be directed to promptly confer and
• 49:06
  propose a schedule for further proceedings. That schedule may depend
• 49:10
  on the manner in which the court resolves such motions.
• 49:13
  So basically what they're saying there is we're gonna have
• 49:16
  to wait and see. We'll have to wait and see
• 49:18
  what the court decides. We'll have to wait and see
• 49:20
  what the defense brings to the table, and then the
• 49:23
  negotiations will begin. The prosecution has also requested preparation of
• 49:31
  a pre sentenced investigation report, but the defense argued anything
• 49:35
  Maxwell said in the report could be used against her
• 49:38
  at her retrial, and she's not wrong about that, So
• 49:41
  that's a bit diligent on her team's behalf here. You
• 49:44
  gotta be careful, right, You gotta really be careful when
• 49:46
  you're dealing with the federal government. Setting out their position
• 49:51
  in the letter, Maxwell's lawyer said, the defense requests that
• 49:54
  the court delays setting a schedule for sentencing because there
• 49:58
  is a compelling basis for the court to overturn Miss
• 50:01
  Maxwell's conviction and grant her a new trial based on
• 50:05
  the disclosure of Juror fifty during deliberations. The defense therefore
• 50:10
  objects to setting a schedule for sentencing until this motion
• 50:13
  is resolved. So again, what they're trying to do is
• 50:17
  stop everything in its tracks till they can figure out
• 50:19
  if they're going to get a retrial here. That's what
• 50:22
  they're aiming for, That's what they're gunning for. That's what
• 50:24
  they want. The question is are they going to attain it. Furthermore,
• 50:31
  requiring Miss Maxwell to participate in the preparation of the
• 50:34
  pre sentenced investigation report while she is awaiting a decision
• 50:38
  on our motion for a new trial will adversely impact
• 50:41
  her Fifth Amendment rights, the right to silence so as
• 50:44
  to not incriminate herself. Miss Maxwell will be forced into
• 50:48
  the position of not cooperating with the Probation Department's investigation
• 50:52
  because any statement she makes to Probation and any document
• 50:55
  she provides may be used against her at her retrial.
• 51:00
  Really pining for that retrial, folks, they think they're gonna
• 51:03
  get it. They think that Maxwell is going to get
• 51:05
  a chance to once again try and argue her innocence here,
• 51:09
  if you want to call it that, I would suggest
• 51:12
  that they didn't even argue her innocence the first time around.
• 51:16
  But again, while it seems like a mistrial is certainly
• 51:20
  a possibility, we're dealing with the United States legal system
• 51:24
  where things that seem likely, well, they never occur. Maxwell's
• 51:31
  conviction was first put in jeopardy when juror number fifty,
• 51:34
  Scottie David, admitted he flew through a pre trial questionnaire
• 51:38
  and did not recall being asked on the form about
• 51:41
  his experience of sexual abuse. David claimed he used his
• 51:45
  experience to influence other jurors, saying, when I shared that
• 51:48
  they were able to come around on the memory aspect
• 51:51
  of the sexual abuse. And again we don't even know
• 51:54
  if that's the truth. We haven't heard from the other jurors.
• 51:56
  We don't know what they were thinking. This is just
• 51:59
  one guy who wants to be the hero of their story.
• 52:03
  Maxwell's defense has insisted she not be made to expend
• 52:06
  resources on other legal matters until a ruling on whether
• 52:10
  to conduct a retrial is made. It comes after a
• 52:13
  second unidentified jerry told The New York Times that they
• 52:16
  too had been abused as a child. They said they
• 52:19
  had discussed the experience during deliberations, and that the revelation
• 52:23
  had appeared to help shape the jury's discussions. That paper reported. Meanwhile,
• 52:28
  Maxwell's lawyers told The Mail on Sunday that they believe
• 52:31
  they have found a third jer inner sex trafficking trial
• 52:34
  who lied about being abused. All right, so now we're
• 52:37
  getting a bit silly, right, everybody's a liar. Everybody told
• 52:39
  the story. At what point do you look at Maxwell's
• 52:42
  team and say, all right, come on now, stop it.
• 52:46
  I think I'm at that point right now, all right,
• 52:49
  enough with the bs. Your client's convicted. She's a human trafficker.
• 52:53
  Stop being a moron. A source that Maxwell's legal team
• 52:57
  feel confident a third ur lied on their jury application,
• 53:01
  adding there are also questions over a fourth juror, so
• 53:05
  this thing is up in the air. So when they
• 53:06
  say a source said, I'm guessing Maxwell's brother, he's the
• 53:09
  only source that they've had, and boy, oh boy, he
• 53:12
  is not a reliable narrator. Maxwell's trial and subsequent conviction
• 53:18
  for assisting Epstein, who hanged himself in his jail cell
• 53:21
  in twenty nineteen, allegedly exposed a murky world of sex
• 53:25
  trafficking among the rich and powerful. A New York judge
• 53:29
  last week said they would decide pretty soon whether to
• 53:32
  dismiss his sexual assault lawsuit against the UK's Prince Andrew
• 53:36
  by Virginia Roberts, also a longtime abuse survivor of Maxwell
• 53:41
  and Epstein's. Roberts alleges that Epstein lent her out for
• 53:44
  sex with his wealthy and powerful associates, including Andrew, an
• 53:48
  allegation that Queen Elizabeth's second excuse me, Queen Elizabeth the
• 53:53
  second son has repeediately and strenuously denied. So it's fun
• 54:00
  how they say, oh, it opens up a world of
• 54:02
  murky sex trafficking among the rich and powerful. What do
• 54:05
  you mean? This has been going on forever? How do
• 54:08
  you think the courts in the Middle Ages ran And
• 54:11
  when I say courts, I mean royal courts. There are
• 54:13
  basically large ass sex trafficking operations. In fact, we're gonna
• 54:16
  dive into that at some point as well, because it's
• 54:19
  very interesting how those courts for the kings and monarchs
• 54:23
  in the Old days were used as sex trafficking operations,
• 54:26
  So this is as old as old could be, folks,
• 54:31
  And when it comes to Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein,
• 54:34
  they're certainly not the only ones that are up to it.
• 54:38
  So we're gonna continue on this path. We're continue following
• 54:41
  the story, and we're gonna see what comes of this.
• 54:44
  But one thing I can definitely tell you is there
• 54:48
  are definitely some more twists and turns ahead and there's
• 54:51
  certainly going to be some bumps in the road. So folks,
• 54:54
  my advice is buckle up. All right. That's gonna do
• 54:57
  it for us this morning. We'll be back later on
• 55:00
  tonight with our evening update and context articles as usual.
• 55:05
  If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
• 55:07
  at Bobby Capucci at ProtonMail dot com. That's Bobby cap
• 55:13
  you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find
• 55:17
  me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c ap u Cci.
• 55:23
  The link that we discussed can be found in the
• 55:25
  description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back to the
• 55:31
  Epstein Chronicles. Hope that everybody's off to a great start
• 55:36
  to their weekend and hopefully the rest of it is
• 55:39
  even better. Last night, we were talking about the fact
• 55:44
  that Carolyn, one of the witnesses from the Gallain Maxwell trial,
• 55:51
  corroborated the fact that Virginia called her and told her
• 55:55
  about her experience with Prince Andrew. And when we were
• 56:00
  discussing that last night, we were talking about the settlement
• 56:04
  and if this would you know, settle out of court maybe,
• 56:07
  And it looks like Virginia wants nothing to do with that.
• 56:12
  I said that last night as well. I thought that
• 56:15
  perhaps she would want to see this all the way through.
• 56:18
  And there's an article in the New York Post and
• 56:21
  the headline is Prince Andrew's sex accuser wanted five million,
• 56:26
  but will no longer accept a payout, And I kind
• 56:29
  of figured that was the path we were on. This
• 56:33
  is about something bigger for Virginia at this point, and
• 56:38
  it's not you know, people will frame it, Oh, it's
• 56:41
  about the money. It's about the settlement, and I think
• 56:44
  it's well beyond that. At this point when we're discussing
• 56:48
  Virginia Roberts, I think she's at the point where she
• 56:52
  just wants to see this all the way through. And
• 56:55
  her saying that she will not accept a payout at
• 56:57
  this point definitely signals that. So it's gonna be interesting
• 57:03
  to see what transpires here as far as this payout
• 57:08
  or settlement or what the deal's going to be. But
• 57:12
  it certainly looks like at this point that Prince Andrew
• 57:16
  better have his trial pants on right. You know he
• 57:19
  talked about not wearing the right kid. I'm not wearing
• 57:22
  the right kid around London to go to the ball. Well,
• 57:24
  you better have the right kid on to go to court,
• 57:27
  my friend, because it sure looks like that's the path
• 57:30
  you're on, and it sure looks like that's the trajectory
• 57:34
  that we're all going to be experiencing because according to
• 57:39
  this article and just looking at Virginia's history right as
• 57:43
  an outsider, it would signal that she is not interested
• 57:46
  in the payout here, that she wants to go all
• 57:49
  the way. So we're gonna jump into two articles this morning,
• 57:54
  one relatively short one here from the New York Post
• 57:57
  talking about this payout, and the other one I want
• 58:00
  to get to is the one I was telling you
• 58:03
  that discusses the different scenarios for Maxwell once she's in jail.
• 58:08
  How considering her crimes, she won't be at a minimum
• 58:12
  security club fed type place, but more than likely at
• 58:16
  like a medium security. So we're going to touch on
• 58:20
  that as well. But first, let's take a look at
• 58:23
  this article from the New York Post and let's see
• 58:26
  what Lee Brown has to say. Prince Andrew's sexecuser wanted
• 58:31
  five million, but will no longer accept a payout. Prince
• 58:36
  Andrew's execuser had sought five million dollars to settle out
• 58:40
  of court, but will no longer accept a potential payout
• 58:43
  because she wants the case to go to trial. According
• 58:45
  to a report, And like I said last night when
• 58:48
  we were talking, I figured that this was the case
• 58:52
  just from following Virginia's history and you know, seeing the
• 58:56
  way that she has proceeded here, I really have any doubt,
• 59:00
  honestly that she was going to pursue this to the
• 59:03
  very end and really turn the heat up on Prince Andrew.
• 59:08
  Virginia Roberts issuing the sixty one year old UK royal
• 59:11
  for allegedly having sex with her three times, starting when
• 59:14
  she was just seventeen. That makes it seem kind of like,
• 59:19
  you know, ay, they just had sex and now she
• 59:21
  regrets it. It's not the case. She was seventeen years
• 59:25
  old and she was flown to England by Jeffrey Epstein
• 59:28
  and Glene Maxwell with the express purpose of having sex
• 59:33
  with Prince Andrew. That's why she was brought there, little
• 59:36
  seventeen year old girl. Remember seventeen years old? Oh well,
• 59:40
  the age of consent in England is sixteen. Yeah, guess
• 59:43
  what what if it was your daughter? How would you
• 59:46
  feel then? Would it be the same thing? Would you
• 59:48
  still have the same blase attitude about it? Somehow? I
• 59:53
  highly doubt it. Sources told The Telegraph that she initially
• 59:58
  sought a settlement of five million dollars from Andrew, ten
• 1:00:02
  times the five hundred grand she got from Jeffrey Epstein,
• 1:00:05
  the late pedophile, who she says ordered her to have
• 1:00:08
  disgusting sex with the Prince. Well, Inflation's the son of
• 1:00:11
  a bitch, isn't it. You got all these wacky ass
• 1:00:14
  lame politicians out there telling us how great inflation is
• 1:00:18
  for poor people. Yeah, okay, sure, spoken like somebody who's
• 1:00:21
  never been poor before. And the same goes for this.
• 1:00:25
  Oh well, it's ten times the amount she got from Epstein. Well,
• 1:00:30
  ten years later, a whole bunch of years later. That's
• 1:00:33
  how it works, right, And frankly, five millions not enough.
• 1:00:40
  Now I would sue him. If it was me, I
• 1:00:42
  would sue this dude for the five million. I want
• 1:00:44
  the Crown Jewels of England. I want Sandringham. I would
• 1:00:48
  go crazy. I'd ask for all kinds of wild shit
• 1:00:51
  if it was me, just to prove a point. But
• 1:00:55
  now that, But now that the case looks set to
• 1:00:58
  go to trial this year, the law time accuser is
• 1:01:00
  no longer willing to settle out of court, the paper
• 1:01:03
  sources said. Robert's, a founder of the nonprofit Speak Out
• 1:01:08
  Act reclaim Sore, helping sex trafficking survivors, wants to instead
• 1:01:13
  show the legal consequences for those praying on young girls,
• 1:01:17
  the paper said. And look, this has been Virginia's purpose
• 1:01:21
  and intent for quite some time. If you just follow
• 1:01:24
  her posts on Twitter and what she has to say there,
• 1:01:27
  she is, uh, you know, had enough. It certainly would
• 1:01:31
  seem like she has had enough and there's no more
• 1:01:34
  retreating for her. It's biting down on the mouthpiece and
• 1:01:37
  moving to the center of the octagon to throw bombs
• 1:01:40
  at this point. And that's what you have to do
• 1:01:42
  with bullies, right You can't run from bullies. You can't
• 1:01:45
  expect them to stop, because they won't. The only way
• 1:01:49
  to deal with a bully is to three piece them up.
• 1:01:53
  That's it's the only way, and that's what Virginia is
• 1:01:56
  looking to do here, to piece these dudes up. She
• 1:02:02
  believes that accepting a payout from the scandal scarred son
• 1:02:05
  of Queen Elizabeth would not advance that message. The UK
• 1:02:09
  paper said, I agree, it really wouldn't right. All he
• 1:02:12
  would do is open the door for more people to
• 1:02:14
  try and you know, demean her and call her somebody
• 1:02:17
  who's just looking for a payday, when in reality it's
• 1:02:20
  a lot more than that. Her lawyer, David Boyce, previously
• 1:02:25
  confirmed that her camp had offered the Royal the chance
• 1:02:28
  to enter a tolling agreement, which would have given Andrew
• 1:02:31
  time to negotiate a settlement privately. The Prince never accepted
• 1:02:35
  the offer and instead initially tried to dodge getting served
• 1:02:39
  the Manhattan Court papers in the suit. According to previous
• 1:02:43
  hearings and filings, well we remember that old boy was
• 1:02:46
  ducking in dodging like rip Torn was throwing wrenches at him.
• 1:02:51
  The dude's an absolute clown, a joke and an embarrassment.
• 1:02:55
  To a great nation. I mean, I can't tell you
• 1:02:59
  how many g eight people I know from the UK,
• 1:03:01
  and I can't tell you how many of them were
• 1:03:03
  mortified by the behavior of this scoundrel ass scumbag. His
• 1:03:11
  lawyers have since fought to get the case against him dismissed,
• 1:03:14
  claiming that Robert's settlement with Epstein, which was made public
• 1:03:17
  last week, also covers him from liability. I thought you
• 1:03:21
  never met her. How could it cover you for liability
• 1:03:24
  if you have never even met her? Oh wait, that's right,
• 1:03:27
  you lied. You did meet her, and you were with
• 1:03:29
  her at Glenn Maxwell's house, and you were with her
• 1:03:32
  at Tramp and you did have your arm around her
• 1:03:34
  and you can sweat, Okay. So basically what I'm trying
• 1:03:40
  to say here is you're a liar. As of Friday,
• 1:03:44
  Judge Lewis Kaplan had yet to issue a decision on
• 1:03:46
  the motion, but at a hearing Tuesday, the judge appeared
• 1:03:50
  to suggest the settlement was not clear enough to keep
• 1:03:52
  the Prince from getting sued. Roberts for years has insisted
• 1:03:56
  that Epstein and has now convicted Madam Madam no co conspirator,
• 1:04:01
  fellow child abuser, general all around scuzbag Glean Maxwell forced
• 1:04:05
  her to have disgusting sex with the prince three times
• 1:04:09
  in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in
• 1:04:13
  the Caribbean. Andrew's legal team has called the lawsuit baseless
• 1:04:17
  and said he unequivocally denies Robert's false allegations against him. Well, good,
• 1:04:22
  you're gonna have your chance in court. It seems like buddy,
• 1:04:24
  to defend yourself because it doesn't look like Virginia is
• 1:04:28
  interested in settling out of court with your bitch ass.
• 1:04:32
  So buckle up, homie. You better call your boy Marty Singer,
• 1:04:35
  you better hit up Brettler, and you better get ready.
• 1:04:40
  Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking and other charges December
• 1:04:43
  twenty ninth in Manhattan Federal Court and faces up to
• 1:04:47
  sixty five years in prison. She was accused of procuring
• 1:04:50
  victims for her buddy Epstein and engaging in some of
• 1:04:53
  the abuse as well. Well, at least they're getting that
• 1:04:56
  right nowadays. The papers are at least saying she was
• 1:04:59
  taking part in the abuse. Now, I guess one step
• 1:05:02
  out of time, huh. Her lawyers are now pushing for
• 1:05:05
  a mistrial after two jurors have admitted swaying deliberations with
• 1:05:10
  tales of their own childhood abuse that they may not
• 1:05:13
  have declared before being picked for the panel. Epstein killed
• 1:05:17
  himself in a Manhattan jail cell, allegedly in August twenty nineteen,
• 1:05:21
  while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. So I wanted
• 1:05:26
  to touch on this article just real quick, because we
• 1:05:28
  brought this up last night and I was just taking
• 1:05:31
  a shot in the dark here, taking a guess when
• 1:05:34
  I said I didn't think that Virginia was going to
• 1:05:37
  be interested in a payout here, and that she'd be
• 1:05:39
  interested in going all the way. And I just I
• 1:05:42
  wake up this morning and I see this article. So
• 1:05:45
  I figured we'd add this to the front end of
• 1:05:48
  the other article I had ready for us to go.
• 1:05:50
  So it gives a little bit more context, right, and
• 1:05:53
  a little bit more of an idea of where Virginia
• 1:05:56
  is and what her game plan is going to be.
• 1:05:59
  And I'll tell you what, folks, I cannot wait for
• 1:06:02
  this to go to trial, all right, So let's check
• 1:06:06
  out our next article. This article is from Fortune dot
• 1:06:11
  Com and the authors are Bob van Vories, Chris Dolmich,
• 1:06:17
  and Bloomberg. Headline Glenn Maxwell's prison won't be like the
• 1:06:22
  Camp Cupcake where Martha Stewart served her sentence. Glenn Maxwell's
• 1:06:29
  high society days are over as she faces years in
• 1:06:32
  a prison that's likely to be harsher than the so
• 1:06:35
  called Camp Cupcake prison where Martha Stewart served. Now, there's
• 1:06:39
  all kinds of different prisons, as you well know, you
• 1:06:42
  have high security, maximum security prisons, medium security prisons, low
• 1:06:47
  security prisons, prison camps, all kinds of wild stuff. And
• 1:06:52
  Martha Stewart was able to serve her sentence at a
• 1:06:55
  low security camp where you know, it's like a dormitory
• 1:06:59
  style set, and you know it's very lax, if you will,
• 1:07:04
  if prison can be lax, but there's no like regulations
• 1:07:08
  like there are in a high security facility where you know,
• 1:07:13
  you're only out on the yard for so little amount
• 1:07:16
  of time, that kind of thing, whereas at a low
• 1:07:19
  security place you have a lot more freedom. And in
• 1:07:23
  some of these places there aren't even fences around these camps. Now,
• 1:07:28
  I know, when I went and visited people I care
• 1:07:31
  about at a federal lockup in Lompoc, they were at
• 1:07:34
  a low security portion of the prison and they could
• 1:07:38
  have literally walked right out of the jail if they
• 1:07:41
  wanted to. But then when you get caught, and you
• 1:07:46
  will get caught, you go to a higher security facility
• 1:07:49
  after that to serve out the rest of your term,
• 1:07:52
  plus whatever they tack on for you walking out of
• 1:07:54
  the facility. So that's kind of a deterrent for people
• 1:08:00
  these low security facilities to not leave right. They don't
• 1:08:04
  want to get any years tagged onto it, and they
• 1:08:08
  don't want to go and do hard time. I know,
• 1:08:10
  if I was going to prison or jail or whatever,
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  I'd much prefer to go to one of these camps.
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  But when you have the charges that Maxwell has, and
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  you've been convicted of what Maxwell has been convicted of,
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  You're not going to Camp Cupcake. You're going to at
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  least a medium security level facility, and things are going
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  to be a lot tougher on her, a lot more regimented. Maxwell,
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  the ex socialite, co conspirator, general all around scusbag of
• 1:08:41
  disgraced financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, was convicted Wednesday on five
• 1:08:46
  counts tied to sexual abuse, including the most serious charge
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  of sex trafficking of a minor, which carries a maximum
• 1:08:53
  sentence of forty years because she was convicted of sex crimes.
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  Maxwell won't be assigned to a minimum security prison camp
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  like the one in Alderson, West Virginia that house Stuart
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  with a dormitory style housing and limited fencing, according to
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  prison consultant Justin Paperny, And that's what I was just
• 1:09:12
  talking about. It's like you'd be shocked, right. I was
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  under the impression that jail or prison, you know, was
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  like you see in the movies. Then when I went
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  and visited the people that I went to see while
• 1:09:24
  they were doing their sentence, it was a kind of,
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  you know, shocking to me that they could have literally
• 1:09:31
  just walked out of the facility if they wanted. Alderson
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  has been called Camp Cupcake by critics who faulted for
• 1:09:40
  its custody conditions and activities that include progressive relaxation. Well,
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  I don't know about all of that, but I'm a
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  big fan of rehabilitation while people are in prison, and
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  especially if you're in there for nonviolent crimes. What we
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  should throw people who were arrested for nonviolent crimes right
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  into the mix with the rest of the act the
• 1:09:59
  real scumback the world. Nah, I don't think that's the
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  right way to go about things either. Now, progressive relaxation,
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  I don't know what that even means, to be honest
• 1:10:08
  with you, so I can't tell you if I agree
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  with it or not. But I am a fan of
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  rehabilitation when people are in prison, except for the most
• 1:10:16
  heinoused of crimes, right these kinds of sex crimes or
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  you're a murderer. Look, you can't rehabilitate from stuff like that.
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  So if Maxwell is given closer to the high end
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  of what she faces, she'll likely end up in a
• 1:10:31
  medium security prison. According to Paperni, who runs White Collar Advice,
• 1:10:36
  which advises clients facing prison, She's imagine, imagine you're facing
• 1:10:41
  prison and you got to call this guy and get
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  a game plan on what you should do when you
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  get to the whoscal forget it. I mean, I don't
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  even know what I would do. I don't even like
• 1:10:51
  being confined, you know, at my desk for eight hours,
• 1:10:56
  never mind being in jail or a prison cell. It
• 1:10:58
  seems like the most a terrifying thing in the world
• 1:11:03
  to me, honestly, having my freedom taken. I can't even imagine.
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  She is probably in shock and will be for some time,
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  said ingrid Let. Her house Oaken, a former executive at
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  Tiffany and Company who spent ten months at Alderson after
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  admitting to stealing from the company. With proper counseling, she
• 1:11:23
  can make her sentence productive if she focuses on giving back,
• 1:11:27
  meaning helping others and taking full responsibility for her actions. Nah,
• 1:11:31
  this again, this isn't a white collar crime. This isn't
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  somebody who stole a couple of bucks. This is somebody
• 1:11:37
  who stole people's lives. Literally, this lady is a life vampire.
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  And you know, I don't care what she does while
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  she's in there. There's nothing that can take back what
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  she did. She needs to do the full sentence, whatever
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  that may be. Maxwell's attorney said late Wednesday that she
• 1:11:57
  will appeal the verdict. Maxwell's trial judge didn't set a
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  sentencing date for the for Maxwell, who still faces trial
• 1:12:04
  on two perjury counts. That trial hasn't been scheduled. The
• 1:12:08
  decision where to house Maxwell will be up to the
• 1:12:10
  Federal Bureau of Prisons. The Bureau doesn't comment on individual cases,
• 1:12:15
  but factors considered in assigning inmates include the security and
• 1:12:19
  supervision the inmate requires any medical or programming, needs separation
• 1:12:24
  and security measures to ensure the inmates protection, and other
• 1:12:28
  considerations including proximity to an individual's release residence. According to
• 1:12:33
  spokesman Donald Murphy, Yeah, that's nice in a concept, right,
• 1:12:39
  How often do they practice it? Though? I know my
• 1:12:42
  loved ones were scattered all over the country, So I
• 1:12:47
  mean maybe they help people like Maxwell get put someplace
• 1:12:51
  close to home, but when it comes to the rest
• 1:12:53
  of us, forget it. Inmates and higher security facilities are
• 1:12:59
  generally can find to cells rather than rooms and endure
• 1:13:03
  more intense security procedures. Those prisons tend to house people
• 1:13:06
  who are convicted of more serious crimes, have longer prison sentences,
• 1:13:11
  and are more prone to violence. So again, if you're
• 1:13:15
  somebody like Maxwell, you beyond all measure, want to get
• 1:13:20
  to a low security facility. She's not built for this life.
• 1:13:24
  What She's gonna hit the yard and she's gonna gee up,
• 1:13:27
  someone's gonna check her, and she's gonna gee up and
• 1:13:30
  chin check that person. Yeah right, she's gonna walk in.
• 1:13:34
  She's not gonna have her paperwork hooped, none of it,
• 1:13:37
  and she's gonna get exploited and beat up. And who
• 1:13:41
  knows what else that's if she's on the general yard.
• 1:13:45
  She's not gonna hit the general line though. See during
• 1:13:48
  the whole entire lead up to the trial, her team
• 1:13:51
  kept talking about how she wanted to be in the
• 1:13:54
  general population, and I laughed and laughed and laughed and
• 1:13:57
  mocked them for that. So I want to see how
• 1:14:00
  quickly they're talking about general population when she gets the prison. Somehow,
• 1:14:05
  I doubt they're going to bring it up. They're gonna
• 1:14:07
  want her and protective custody. Oh, she's a high level inmate.
• 1:14:11
  All of a sudden, she needs to be protected. That's
• 1:14:14
  what they'll say. And I get it. I agree, but
• 1:14:16
  let's be real. Still, anywhere she goes will likely be
• 1:14:25
  an upgrade from the Brooklyn Federal lockup, where she's been
• 1:14:28
  held since charged in July twenty twenty with helping Epstein
• 1:14:32
  sexually abuse underage girls. Prior to her conviction, Maxwell, the
• 1:14:37
  daughter of the British media tycoon Robert Maxwell, made numerous
• 1:14:41
  complaints about her conditions at the Metropolitan Detention Center, a
• 1:14:45
  jail that federal investigators have deemed among the worst in
• 1:14:48
  the US Bureau of Prison systems. Well, guess what play
• 1:14:53
  stupid games, win stupid prizes. Where did you think you
• 1:14:56
  were going to go and do your jail time? You
• 1:14:58
  thought you were going to hang out at the wall,
• 1:15:00
  and you're you know, pay for your security to protect
• 1:15:02
  you around the clock while you sit around and eat
• 1:15:05
  bond bonds. Wrong. Enjoy the MDC and all of the
• 1:15:10
  shittiness of it, because guess what, how many countless people
• 1:15:16
  have been through those doors, how many countless people have
• 1:15:19
  sat in those same jail cells. It's just the way
• 1:15:23
  it goes, Glenn Maxwell. These are the rules you and
• 1:15:25
  your friends have put on the books, right you and
• 1:15:27
  all your powerful buddies in DC. Well, you reap what
• 1:15:31
  you sew, don't you. She's enduring arguably the worst and
• 1:15:36
  filthiest prison in the country. It's a jail, not a prison,
• 1:15:39
  said Paperny. Wherever she serves her time will feel like
• 1:15:42
  Disneyland compared to where she is right now. I don't
• 1:15:45
  believe that for a second. When you're in this lock up,
• 1:15:49
  there's the hope that you're getting out and going home
• 1:15:51
  at some point when you go to this prison and
• 1:15:53
  that you know, gate closes. Oh, it's a rap for you.
• 1:15:58
  It's all been a startling turn for Maxwell, who was
• 1:16:01
  arrested at a million dollars one hundred and fifty six
• 1:16:04
  acre estate in New Hampshire and owned the New York
• 1:16:06
  City townhouse that sold in twenty and sixteen for about
• 1:16:10
  fifteen million, as well as a London home in Belgravia.
• 1:16:14
  Federal investigators found that MDC prisoners have been beaten, raped,
• 1:16:19
  and held in inhumane conditions. Maxwell has complained about being
• 1:16:23
  held in solitary confinement under twenty four hour surveillance and
• 1:16:27
  being awakened every few hours each night. I mean, that
• 1:16:31
  would be the least of her problems, right If she
• 1:16:34
  was on the general line, she'd be exploited, extorted, you
• 1:16:38
  name it, she said. Conditions left are exhausted and unable
• 1:16:47
  to properly help prepare her defense. Of the one hundred
• 1:16:50
  and fifty seven thousand, five hundred inmates currently in the
• 1:16:53
  federal prison system, fewer than eleven thousand, around seven percent
• 1:16:58
  are women. According to the Bureau of Prisons, of its
• 1:17:01
  one hundred and twenty two prison facilities in the US,
• 1:17:04
  only twenty nine house women, and eleven of those are
• 1:17:07
  short term lockups like the MDC where Maxwell was held
• 1:17:10
  for trial. Her future home will be based on the
• 1:17:14
  classification she receives from federal prison officials, said Jack Donson,
• 1:17:18
  a prison consultant who worked for the Bureau of Prisons
• 1:17:21
  for more than twenty three years. That will depend in
• 1:17:24
  part on the length of her sentence and a determination
• 1:17:27
  by prison authorities whether Maxwell, who has a US, UK
• 1:17:32
  and French citizenship, presents a risk to escape. Now, as
• 1:17:36
  much as I want to pile on here a risk
• 1:17:39
  to escape, I highly doubt that now. A risk to
• 1:17:42
  run and a risk to try and avoid charges, definitely,
• 1:17:46
  but we're not I mean, she's not Andy Dufrayne, right,
• 1:17:49
  She's not digging a hole through the wall and climbing
• 1:17:52
  through the septic system anytime soon. So that's probably the
• 1:17:56
  last of my concerns when it comes to Maxwell. If
• 1:18:01
  Maxwell has given a more lenient sentence, she may be
• 1:18:03
  headed to the low security federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut,
• 1:18:07
  known for housing Orange is the New Black. Author Piper
• 1:18:10
  Kerman and reality television star Teresa Judas said PAPERNI, Yeah,
• 1:18:15
  that's the prison in Danberry is notorious for that. You
• 1:18:21
  see a couple of mob guys that have been through there.
• 1:18:23
  You know that kind of deal, but Dohnson said the
• 1:18:28
  Bureau will likely assign a famous convict like Maxwell to
• 1:18:31
  a secure facility away from a major city, making the
• 1:18:35
  Danbury Prison not far from New York less likely. They're
• 1:18:38
  never going to put her near New York or anywhere.
• 1:18:41
  You're going to have reporters camping out on the road.
• 1:18:44
  He said, Well, this is America. Anyone can get to anywhere.
• 1:18:47
  I get the idea that it's a lot easier to
• 1:18:49
  access Danberry than it is to say, Lompok. But wherever
• 1:18:54
  she goes, there's going to be the media following. Differences
• 1:19:00
  between a minimum security camp and low security Federal Correctional
• 1:19:03
  Institution or FCI can be dramatic, said Larry Levine, founder
• 1:19:08
  of Wall Street Prison Consultants, who served more than ten
• 1:19:11
  years in federal prison and now advises convicted criminals on
• 1:19:15
  how to survive incarceration. I've had several friends due time
• 1:19:20
  in federal prison, and every single one of them has
• 1:19:23
  come back and said it was a miserable experience. I
• 1:19:27
  can't even imagine ten years, no thank you. Camps often
• 1:19:33
  have a relatively high proportion of non violent white collar offenders,
• 1:19:37
  and violence is rare. Violence is more likely in fcis,
• 1:19:41
  which can house bank robbers, drug dealers, and people convicted
• 1:19:44
  of sex crimes. So while camps don't have perimeter fences
• 1:19:48
  or armed security, fcis have two secured barbed wire fences
• 1:19:52
  with roving armed security. He said the doors to camp
• 1:19:55
  housing unit doors are never locked, a contrast to fcis
• 1:19:59
  were in mates are locked in at night, and that's
• 1:20:03
  I was trying to make that comparison earlier to you, folks.
• 1:20:06
  It really is night and day between the low security
• 1:20:10
  and medium security even and when I talked to my
• 1:20:15
  family members and friends who would serve time in federal facilities,
• 1:20:19
  they told me themselves the huge difference between minimum and
• 1:20:24
  even medium and how it was much more enjoyable, if
• 1:20:31
  anything can be enjoyable to be on the low security yard.
• 1:20:38
  Several consultants said Maxwell's notoriety and nature of her crime
• 1:20:42
  helping Epstein victimize teenage girls may make her a target.
• 1:20:46
  If she is still in denial that she did not
• 1:20:48
  contribute to the actions taken by herself and mister Epstein,
• 1:20:51
  she will be a pariah both inside and outside of
• 1:20:54
  the prison, said letter Has o'cun, who consults for white
• 1:20:57
  collar advice, Maxwell's education, wealth, and former jet setting lifestyle
• 1:21:02
  will set her apart for most inmates. She said, for sure,
• 1:21:06
  she's gonna get exploited if she's on the yard, folks,
• 1:21:09
  There's no doubt about it. Jeffrey Epstein was in the
• 1:21:12
  holding cell for what a few weeks and he was
• 1:21:14
  being exploited. You gotta remember, these prisoners have all day
• 1:21:20
  to sit around and come up with ways and plots
• 1:21:23
  and different scams, and that's what they do. Well. Maxwell
• 1:21:28
  will have an advantage because of her access to cash
• 1:21:31
  for food, clothing, makeup, and running shoes that other inmates
• 1:21:34
  can't afford. This can cause jealousy in others. Let her
• 1:21:37
  house o'coon said. Maxwell will likely be assigned a job
• 1:21:41
  well shell where she'll make a paltry twelve to fourteen
• 1:21:44
  cents an hour. Do it and don't complain. Let her
• 1:21:47
  house oaken advised. The worst thing she could do is
• 1:21:51
  whine about her situation. That is for sure. If you
• 1:21:54
  go to prison and you start whining and acting the
• 1:21:57
  fool crying about your circumstances, you're in for it. And
• 1:22:01
  Glane Maxwell, she better hope she goes to one of
• 1:22:04
  these low security facilities, folks, I've been saying it from
• 1:22:07
  the jump. None of these people are built for this.
• 1:22:10
  These people aren't from the street. They're not criminals in
• 1:22:14
  the sense of the word that you expect when you
• 1:22:16
  hear about prison. These are cowards who victimized young girls
• 1:22:21
  and vulnerable people. And when they get to prison, well
• 1:22:28
  guess what, the hunter becomes the hunted because these kinds
• 1:22:33
  of crimes, they don't go over very well in prison, folks.
• 1:22:37
  And somebody like Alane Maxwell with access to all this
• 1:22:40
  money and affluence, you got to know from the beginning
• 1:22:46
  she is going to be extorted, exploited, and the rest
• 1:22:50
  of it if she's put on the main line. So
• 1:22:52
  I would expect Gleann Maxwell to end up in some
• 1:22:55
  kind of you know, secure setting as far as the
• 1:22:59
  shoe or protective custody, not on the main line. And
• 1:23:02
  depending on what the charges are, I mean, the sentencing
• 1:23:05
  is obviously I'm guessing she's gonna end up in a
• 1:23:08
  medium security facility. But when you have her money, you
• 1:23:12
  never know. So there you have it, folks. That's the
• 1:23:15
  article I was telling you about a couple of days ago.
• 1:23:18
  I wanted to just touch on that real quick to
• 1:23:20
  get an idea and give you folks an idea of
• 1:23:23
  what might be coming next for Maxwell as far as
• 1:23:26
  her incarceration. So that's gonna do it for me this morning,
• 1:23:31
  and there will be more some more episodes out throughout
• 1:23:33
  the day, some context episodes, and like I said, I
• 1:23:36
  have a three part series about the War on drugs
• 1:23:39
  and Gary Webb, so I'm gonna post that today as well.
• 1:23:42
  All Right, everybody, I hope you all have a great
• 1:23:44
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