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Episode 1: The Endurance Athlete Journey Podcast Introduction · The Endurance Athlete Journey

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  SPEAKER_03: Coaches, sports diet fitness, support, sports, including nutrition, training, and how these impacts your daily life on and off the racing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Your host, Coach Justin, certified run and draft and coach and owner of Fuller Officer Racing, along with Coach Katie, a registered dietitian with a special field sports nutrition and owner of Fuel to Run.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here at the Endurance Athlete Journey Podcast is where your journey begins.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Endurance Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Justin White.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm the head coach and owner of Tabula Rassa Racing, and I'm here with Katie, who's a sports dietitian and owner of Fuel to Run.
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  SPEAKER_03: We decided to start this podcast to take all of our years of experience in sports diet and sports nutrition and coaching in endurance sports and help you along your endurance athlete journey.
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  SPEAKER_03: By answering questions and covering topics ranging anywhere from nutrition, uh endurance sports like a swim, bike, run, hiking, spartan, anything that would require some kind of prolonged activity.
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  SPEAKER_03: And honestly, we've been doing this for many, many years, and we wanted to take all of our experience as both athletes and coaches and help you uh along your journey and to achieve things that you never thought were possible.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so today is going to be this is our first episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're super excited to be uh for you to join us.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for for tuning in.
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  SPEAKER_03: We know that you have a large selection of podcasts available to you.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we are grateful and honored that you have decided to give us a listen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to make sure, too, as we're going, you know, if you all have any questions or things you would like us to touch on or discuss, we do want to encourage participation in that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you all want to reach out, at least at this point, we will be sharing our website information and contact information.
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  SPEAKER_00: So feel free to contact us if you have anything you want us to discuss.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for now, we're just going to be to diving into different topics that we think are interesting and we really want to make this fun and almost like it's just a conversation between Justin and I.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we're having our a conversation about these topics and diving in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it hopefully it'll sound like be kind of natural and and interesting to listen to as if you're listening to a couple of close friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we also want you know, want that for our podcast as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to touch on that a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any other thoughts, Justin?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or is do you think we got that intro or the purpose?
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  SPEAKER_03: I think we got it all squared away.
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  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: So hopefully, as the episodes progress, we'll get it a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I know that I know that I'm super nervous.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's you know, we'll just roll on.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is like just have like a nice casual conversation.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's a Saturday morning here uh in in February.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm I live on the east coast out uh in Virginia, and uh we just had just you know a horrible ice storm and it all went away, and now we have rain all weekend.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm staring out of my office slash training room uh to some pouring rain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is always one of those times of years where it's like you're trying to like dig your motivation uh and inspiration from the doldrums of you know, some under some rock and trying to find something that will that will get you motivated.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe we can provide some motivation for people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Although I was just talking with Justin off before we started that I'm in the same boat.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always struggle in February.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know ahead of I always know I'm going to struggle, but when it's the moment in it, I it's just that mental fortitude to keep training can get tough, especially when I'm looking out my window and it's snowing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh my run this morning, it was pelted with ice crystal rainslash snow while I was running.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, it's definitely a challenging time of year.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully we can provide a little bit of motivation to start, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always like listening to podcasts while I'm running.
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  SPEAKER_00: So even in that situation of just having something to listen to to carry you through those brutal cold days or hard training sessions this time of year.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I'm excited to get started, a little nervous, but I think we're gonna be, I think we're gonna be fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, do you want so I think I'm I I want to start, or at least I think we're gonna each talk a little bit about our journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so kind of about for me, it's more of my journey through uh as an athlete, but also I want to bring in my journey as like a professional too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully I can find a way to intertwine those things a little bit uh because I both I'm a registered dietitian or sports dietitian, and I'm an athlete.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I have these two you know things that have happened in my life that have brought me here and why I want to work and love working with endurance athletes.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think like for me, my journey, like and I'll start there and then we'll go into Justin's journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my journey started actually in in middle school.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think I would even maybe be here today if it wasn't for uh this girl in fifth grade asking me if I wanted to join the cross country team.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I thought I was signing up for cross-country skiing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I said, yeah, like I'll join the team, sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what I, you know, she was she was friendly and nice, and I thought, sure, I'll do cross country.
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  SPEAKER_00: And over the summer, the before my sixth grade year, I got a letter from the coach with some training plans and some ideas of how to train over the summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what the heck?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to like it's it's a winter sport, so why am I gonna train over the summer?
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  SPEAKER_00: And my mother informs me, probably signed up for the cross country running team.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I at the time was like, nope, not I'm not running, I'm not a runner, I don't know what that is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want, but she convinced me to do it, and that was kind of my starting point is going out that first day.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't train, I didn't actually do any training over the summer, but I went that first day to practice and they did a mile, and I couldn't even complete the mile.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was, you know, but something about that first day and that challenge just kept me going.
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  SPEAKER_00: I kept going and kept training, and it and that's how it all started years and years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's been you know close to somewhere around 30 30 years of this journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um I ran in high school, I ran in college, so that's kind of another whole unique story that I might dive into a little bit more in detail at some point, but I won't dive, I'll I'll kind of hit on a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I ran for about three or four years at the University of Colorado, and that at the time was one of the best schools in the nation, and I was actually a walk-on and struggled a little bit there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's I learned through that journey a few things.
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  SPEAKER_00: First of all, I learned that fueling is important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I had some struggles with my own fueling, and I also learned that um training hard every day is probably not a smart thing, but for you know, in terms of injury.
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  SPEAKER_00: But so I ran at the University of Colorado and then um kind of burnt out a little bit, took a little bit of time off and got back into running.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: But in this whole process, I took a class, um, one class at the University of Colorado when I sort of changed gears and switched my majors uh from biochemistry to kinesiology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I took a nutrition class because I had to fill, I had to get at least 12 credits to be on the team.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: So during that class, I like it was the first time I actually read a book, like a textbook, and fell in love with what I was reading.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to read every single word.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was so fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I love this.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh that was my first uh inkling, like, okay, this is kind of something I really enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of had some light bulb moments, like, oh yeah, like I actually probably should fuel my body a little better to to run.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there were some things I wasn't doing well in the in that book, was sort of teaching me about the macronutrients and even a little bit about fueling for exercise.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I found that so fascinating.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I wouldn't dive into nutrition quite yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had to finish my undergraduate degree and then flail around for a few years trying to figure out what I wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was got back into running a little bit, I wasn't really sure, but I did apply for a master's degree program at the University of Colorado or University, sorry, Colorado State University, um, and ended up after a few years getting into uh that program.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's where I ended up for my master's degree and I actually did the triathlon team while I was there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I switched gears a little bit, um, mostly because I was wanting to do some sort of uh, I don't know, cross-training for running.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was in Boulder at the time, kind of in between, because that's where the University of Colorado is.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was there, and in between this time between that and going to my master's my master's degree, I had friends who were like, come do master's swimming with us, come you know, ride bikes with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I started getting into that, and so I started to do triathlon training essentially, and so I did the triathlon team at the at Colorado State, um, and then graduated there with my master's degree in nutrition and did an internship.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's all part of that program to become a registered dietitian.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then ever since then, so that was about 13, 14 years ago at this point, um, I like um just kind of like got into nutrition and started working and working with athletes and all sorts of athletes, not just endurance athletes, but sports nutrition within the collegiate setting.
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  SPEAKER_00: But my real passion has always been endurance, and I've been running pretty much ever since, you know, several marathons at this point, several triathlons, only one at this point, half and half Iron Man distance triathlon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll see.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll see if I ever get back into that at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've done some Spartan stuff, so I've kind of been all over the place with my endurance.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've done one, um, or not one, but I've done a couple um ultras, you know, planning to do more of those as well at some point.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's just a little overview of my journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, my probably leaving some stuff out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure, but yeah, that's that's a I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's pretty much it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure at some point throughout the podcast I will share more details and more stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are your your thoughts, Justin?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is I you've heard some of my my background.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've I feel like I've included most of at least a good overview of it, I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you've you've definitely been an athlete a lot longer than I have.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean I I didn't I didn't really start until I was in my 30s.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I spent I spent the vast majority of my life just uh morbidly obese and unactive and you know everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I consider what's interesting though, like it's like you have a your journey is like totally different than mine, you know, and what not totally, but it's a diff different, very different.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I I I consider there's like two phases of my life, and so it's like a there was in in 2010 I had uh gastric bypass surgery, so I had Roman Y uh bypass.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and so there was what I consider to be pre-surgery and post-surgery phases of my life, and they're absolutely completely different.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I mean I it got to the point where um you know I was close to a pack a day smoker.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I was up to 365 pounds to where you know I couldn't walk you know a city block without having to pause and like stretch my back a little bit, take the pressure off of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had my first herniated disc when I was in my 20s, uh, which is a lot earlier than you know most.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, usually people don't experience this until their 30s.
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  SPEAKER_03: But uh mine happened, you know, when I was in my mid-20s.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, I had to do something drastic.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, I had always tried the whole diets and there were yo-yo diets, and you know, I would stay motivated for a while and then you know I'd fall off the wagon.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm definitely one of those type A personalities where I'm like, I'm all in.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's either all in or all out.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my my issues were, you know, I would try and have that perfect street going.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: I would mess up one meal, and then all of a sudden that one meal would turn into two meals.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, I've already screwed up these two meals, I'm just gonna, you know, the day is a waste.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just gonna eat whatever I want for the rest of the day.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then once you kind of start with that, then you kind of lose the or like, well, I'm eating like crap mice.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's you know, skip the gym.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: There's no point in going to the gym.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's where it just kind of snowballs.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that's those are type those are the types of experiences that I had, you know, before my my surgery.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I went ahead and I had my surgery uh and I I lost weight pretty quickly.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it was really, really fast.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I ran I I basically took a year uh as just trying to learn how to run because I had always had this fascination with runners, and I never could do it because I would constantly get hurt because I was just really big and just out of shape, and you know, my my muscular system couldn't handle the demands of the activity, so I would just get hurt and then you know that would sideline me even more, and then I'd lose motivation and then fall off the wagon.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I spent a year basically uh before I ran my first 5K and was trying to learn how to fuel myself and how to just eat normal like every day, given my my new uh my new restrictions that I had.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I ran my first 5k and I actually ran it as a warm-up to my ultimate goal, which was a 10k to start.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and so now as a coach, you know, if somebody comes to me, you know, and I see these posts, it's like I want to run a 10k, but I've never ran anything, you know, it always makes me cringe a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, well, there is the 5k version, but I have to quickly tell myself that I wasn't thinking about that when I first started.
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  SPEAKER_03: So uh I ran my first 5K and then the very next weekend I ran the 10K.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just I was absolutely hooked.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was so excited that I actually you know finally become a runner.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I had a guy that I worked with uh in my office, and we went out to lunch one day, and he said, Hey, there's this uh there's this thing that they call a triathlon, and you know it's in it's in my town.
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  SPEAKER_03: He lived, you know, like an hour away from where our office was.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I was like, look, he's like, he's like, I think it might be something that you're interested in.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I went back to the office, immediately jumped on the website to check it out, and I was like, you know what, this does sound kind of interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I don't know how to swim though, but uh, I mean I could just like flail around in the water like we do as kids, but I didn't know like how to like you know swim uh proper.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I chose the option to do a duathlon, which is like a run and then you bike and then you run again.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I was like, I can do those two things, so let's give it a shot.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, I did it and I I did that on a super hilly course on the heaviest mountain bike you could possibly find.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and I I was just I was in it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Once I crossed the finish line, I was like, that's it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I found my new passion.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just been it's just been it's been rolling since then.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I I remember I was in a car ride one time and I was just I don't know, I was like looking through a book or a magazine or something like that, and I just it just popped in my head, and I was 35 at the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, and I said, you know what, I want to do an Iron Man by the time I'm 40.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I gave myself five years.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and so I I I progressively just worked my way up, learned how to swim, which was an insane experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's so humbling.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're like in your 30s and you swim from one end of the pool, but you can't make it back.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you have to sit at the other end of the pool and kind of catch your breath.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, okay, all right, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_03: You swim to the other end.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you know, once I kind of like dove in and said, Okay, I'm going to do like a real triathlon, none of this new athlon stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to do all three sports.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh I swam like every day trying to learn how to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was just it actually took me two years of like doing triathlons before I would actually swim freestyle in the water.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: I had like this like jacked up kind of like a side strip thing that I would just kind of like glide through the water, and I was like, it ain't pretty, but it gets me from the beginning to the end, so I can get out and just swim if I can run.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, if I can just survive the swim, then I've got to do it.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: All I need to do is I just need to get out of the water.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's all that matters.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so, you know, I did.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: It took me five years, and I I worked my way from the Olympics and the half Iron Man, and then did my first full Iron Man.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 2017.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 2017, I did Iron Man Chattanooga.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: And then the following year in 2018, I did Iron Man uh Louisville.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: And so at the time that we're doing this recording, I've got about you know nine half Iron Man and two Fools.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um kind of experience, you know.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: I I kinda I had coaches and I've you know I've talked to others, you know, like other like elite coaches to try and get advice as I was like on my journey.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, a lot of them never really talked about you know the benefits of strength training.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: And as a gastric bypass patient, uh you you lose weight so quickly that you've lost a lot of muscle.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: And so I was trying to like stack on all this cardio off of a on a week uh on a weak frame, and I was just constantly getting hurt.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, I've you know recently over the past couple years, I've just been cleaning up some of the damage that was done from endurance sports, you know, a couple surgeries to fix things, and so now I'm in the process of rebuilding on my way back to long course racing.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um but it was during COVID, uh right after I finished uh Iron Man Louisville, and then kind of COVID was kind of like you know, in its infancy at that stage, uh, I decided, you know what, I kind of I've been doing this a long time.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: I got a lot of uh you know, experience like real-world experiences.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um so you know, if if I can do this, anybody can do it as long as they're properly motivated and they're willing to put in the work.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: And so I decided I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna start uh coaching.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: I want to try and help others uh to do the stuff that I've done that I never dreamed was possible for somebody like me.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so I started uh Tabula Rasa Racing, and it was basically just the creation of a Facebook page, is how I started.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: Started it, and then you know, I I rolled out like a proper website and everything else.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're you're a business when you finally get your business cards printed and you have QRs, you know.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's when I started my my business was like 2012, which is crazy.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's when I did all the things to become like an LLC through the state of Colorado and like put up a website.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, had business cards, so you know, technically I but I've kind of been you know on and off like with the with my own personal business, depending on kind of my other opportunities I've had.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that's it's hard.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're I think that you know you're technically in business when you when you create the business name and you I don't know.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um I coach uh a lot of my a lot of my athletes are kind of uh they're introductory athletes.
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  SPEAKER_03: kind of new to the sport.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like that's a kind of a good niche uh that I kind of carved out a little bit.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um I did decide to go ahead and get some certifications to give people like a sense of of peace about it.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh because if you kind of walk in and just like you know, hey I've been doing this for a decade, you know, a lot of people just want to see the paper.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: And so I went ahead and I got you know a certified run run coach through the Roadrunners association.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: And then I got my uh triathlon coach uh certification through USA triathlon.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so you know I I do have the certifications but a lot of it is just from my real world experience.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah absolutely doing things wrong so many times.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: We can almost have like a whole learning from that process.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: What did I do wrong?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like what were my mistakes?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do what I did.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let's learn from my mistakes because I have a few my own especially in college like I'm sure as we're talking you know about fueling and things like that I will dive into that a little more about some of the things that I've maybe encountered or you know experiences I've had too but yeah it's kind of like at this point with my nutrition coaching I see all sorts of athletes it was similar like a little different because I'll see I will anyone from the beginner to like the more um elite athlete I will you know I'm not uh discriminatory on that uh obviously the needs are different for those different for different levels of athletes and different sports you know whether they're doing a triathlon versus a 5K but um and I see a lot of uh high school athletes actually that are in cross country or um track or um you know some some sometimes even other sports but uh and I that's like what I love because I'm like oh man they if they can learn now they won't make all the mistakes I made when I was in high school in college like I'm like I just try to like I just want to provide knowledge because I don't want like anyone to have to like experience what I experienced in those you know uh in the mistakes I made during that time frame.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think looking back at it it's always it's never good to um kind of look back and and and wish something different but if I could tell my high school self what I know now I would be so much my trajectory might have been a little bit different.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time I don't know if I would be able to have the knowledge and experience and ability to help others because I wouldn't have had those experiences.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like you know in some ways it makes my ability to help others a little bit more robust a little bit more informed because I have lived you know some pretty um some struggles throughout my time as an athlete so and I think too like yours your whole experience is so interesting Justin because you almost had this like like I mean I can be an I can remember being athlete you know from a very young age like it's always been a part of my identity but you've almost had like this prior identity like this sort of prior you you know and then you have this surgery that changes you and then you sort of become like you're an athlete but it's almost like there's always this fear or you know like you've told me this before like kind of like of going back to that you know which I think is somewhat some something a lot of people who've had the bariatric surgery or some kind of surgery like that any kind of surgery that or any sort of change in their um weight or something that you know they have that sort of prior identity and then they sort of become more of an athlete or an endurance athlete there's always that sort of you know fear they're somehow going to be back to that.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's where you have a very unique um perspective.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah part part of me really likes that part of my story um where there always is kind of like a you know and I know that we've we've talked about this before um you know I I do have pictures of you know who you know what I looked like before my surgery and you know sometimes they'll they'll pop up and so you know a part of me still kind of like looks in the mirror and sees that sees that guy you know and you can just kind of see it in his face and see it in his eyes you know the the almost the sadness you know from just you know being inactive and just in pain constantly uh just from the weight of and just inactivity and so you know I I think to a certain extent that that kind that that previous identity does fuel who I am today um but it can be uh too much fire too much fuel on the fire you know where where it does kind of like you know you're you're so afraid to turn in to uh to go back to that person that you just keep pushing pushing pushing pushing until the point where you just break you know and your body just can't can't take it all because you're afraid to slow down and you're you're afraid to you know it's like oh you know I'm afraid to eat this you know this particular you know food because this was a huge trigger of mine before um and you know for me it's you know pizza that is my that is my kryptonite is is pizza and I still love it you know to this day but um you know I think you know finding trying to stay away from those bad habits puts a lot of pressure on ourselves and as athletes and you know to a certain extent it does it as as a coach too because it's it's made me insecure uh because I I mean I know I'm a good coach and I know that I know what I'm doing and I've I've lived the experience and I've helped others in their journey as well.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: But I do kind of look as you know part of me is like you know the little negative voice in your head which is like you know hey I'm I'm at a race and you know I've got you know you know my coaching shirt on and I'm there supporting an athlete that I'm coaching uh which is some of the stuff that I like to do I like to go to their races and it makes me insecure.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's like ah you know who wants a fat coach you know so it's like you know it's like you know I don't I don't look like you know the typical endurance athlete and so I think to a certain extent it it fuels a little bit of of insecurity.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so you know as having that previous identity can be a good thing.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yet again there are some little caveats and pitfalls and it it's all on me.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know it's my responsibility to get past those insecurities.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's my ab it's it's on me to put on my coaching hat because I am self-coached.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: I do my own training plan.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's on me to kind of set aside my pride and my sense of invincibility you know because I'm I'm 47 years old now.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: I mean not like I'm in my you know 30s and just kind of getting started but you know I I can't handle the kind of volume or the intensity that I used to be able to do and then bounce right back the next day.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: So you know part of me you know it's on me to manage that and to do that.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: One of the interesting things about you and I is that you have the the educational background you know from with with this with the dietetics where you know that that is your educational background.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: You went through an undergraduate degree and master's degree um my my educational background is I got a undergraduate and master's degree in economics.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's it's as far away from athletics uh as you can possibly that's like us like a lot of people I get into like so like not everyone has that like background in you know um sports uh or like physical education or exercise science like I don't know so because I think you know you can have that's something I learned even in my education like I had all of this knowledge going out of school but and I was like oh I'm like so smart look at like how smart I am I've got this master's degree or whatever and then I get out in the real world and I'm like oh my gosh like everything I you know it's like wow I'm actually not like not so smart as I thought not because I hadn't been well educated but more just like it's like the real world experience of I mean I've had all that experience with athletics before like I said I'd made some mistakes and kind of learned from them but it was like just that like learning curve between you know my master's I graduated with my master's in 2011 so I've been at this for a while and yeah like that's that's where like the bulk of my learning and like like everything that I now am and know and and and still don't know everything is like about sport you know like there's still so much sometimes to learn too just about exercise and sports.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I like I feel like I'm constantly learning but like and I love it.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like I you know you just yeah you get that degree but what I'm trying to say is like it's it's the like doing it yourself and then also like working with other people and coaching other people because I've I've been in places where I'm like oh you need to do this this and this like with the fueling and you know this person struggles with something you know and it's like wow this isn't this is different than I was taught you know like you get those edge cases and you learn how to work with a variety of different people and I think that's where that's what's interesting about my background and kind of how we got connected was I was doing a lot with sports but in my time I was also doing some work um in a clinic in a diabetes clinic so I was had my private practice and then I was doing this is where I have a really unique background too in that I have a very very strong medical nutrition therapy piece as well.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So like I have a great understanding if someone does have some sort of surgery or something like that going on diabetes like those types of athletes I can do really well with because I have that strong background.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways spent about three years or four years during that time working with the bariatric surgeons here in northern Colorado and doing those postbariatric diet consults.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: And in my mind I'm like this is so far from like anything that's ever going to be sports related.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly I didn't really love it because it was very like you have to eat very low calorie high protein like I just didn't love it but I'm like this is kind of part of my job I don't know how this is ever going to relate.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then I had this one person contact me like during this timeframe for sports nutrition that was like I had a bariatric surgery like five years ago or something like that.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm trying to do this ultra and I was like oh well I have this background like this really interesting knowledge of like bariatric surgeries that most if not all at least many sports dietitians don't have like so if somebody's had these these surgeries they never know they don't know where to go because this traditional sports dietitian has no idea for the most part like what that surgery entails and what the recommendations are and the struggles that these people have post surgery.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well I knew what they were going through because I worked with them.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: So this one this woman I was like yeah I can definitely help you because now I'm combining these two things that I thought were not even related in the least bit and then I opened up my eyes to this whole world of people who've gone through something similar to what you've gone through Justin where they've had maybe a maybe they were athletes at some point or they'd gained weight or for whatever reason they ended up having the surgery and then they were motivated because they lost the weight to start training for something and there's this whole world of people out there like that.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: There's lots of people you know it's not like obviously there's a lot of people who don't have the surgeries that are athletes but there's a lot and I think that's also something kind of unique about my experience and that's kind of how we got connected you know you're somehow you came across something that you know somebody maybe recommended me or something and we you know you reached reaching out to me for that piece and and we kind of found out we actually communicated I could tell you the story the story about how how we connect yeah go ahead go ahead when I started uh kind of really ramping up my coaching business you know and I was I was I had joined a bunch of these Facebook groups you know like you know runner like running base and like triathlon base Facebook groups.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I was like well if I can at least join some of these groups and kind of see what kind of conversations and discussions are going on maybe I can offer you know a tidbit advice here and there and kind of you know say this is who I am you know I'm not just like some crazy person who's giving you advice you know I am certified and this is you know I've been doing this for you know over a decade so there is some validity coming from you know I'm giving you advice based on experience and training and uh I cross I cross paths with a few uh what they call the bariathletes you know these bariatric patients who feel like they've gotten a new lease on life which is exactly how I felt you know it's kind of like this new life that you've started and they don't want to waste it so they get into endurance sports and they they're a very they're a very unique niche that's in the the endurance what I would call the endurance population.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: And so as I started talking to them a little bit more they actually encouraged me.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: They're like you know what would be a great a great uh thing to have is a Facebook group dedicated to bariatric endurance athletes and so I did a quick Facebook search and I found a couple that just really weren't all that active uh there was one that was like super active in a fairly large group and so I went ahead and I just created my own uh bariatric uh Facebook group and invited all these people that that I came across to to join the group and then they joined and one of the guys that was in the group that I talked to and we had had a consultation he was looking for a coach and he lived down in Florida and you know he was like you know hey I'm I'm interested in doing an Iron Man and I'm looking for a coach and so I had a consultation with him he ended up going with with somebody else and so what he did was he said hey you know I reached out and had a consultation with this or with this dietitian who has you know experience in bariatrics and her name is Katie Cassane and she's with you know the old to run and so I was like oh well that's interesting um I'll have to I and I wrote your name down and like my files just in case because I was like you know if I if I ever come across an athlete who may you know need you know diet you know dietitian information dietitian help then that's fine not knowing not really accepting the fact that it was me who really needed dietitian help um because you know once once COVID hit you know and I was still training the whole time but my weight was just going up and up and up and up and I was just like okay well I I'm gaining weight uh but I'm eat I'm working out all the time what do I need to do?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: Work out more and work out at a higher intensity.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so that did nothing but fuel the weight gain even more and more and more.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: And then I had a couple surgeries to repair some stuff and that resulted in a sharp decline in my training to all low-end uh zone two aerobic work we're talking like hiking because I you know it's kind of hard if you've had a torn rotator cuff cuff and your bicep tendon relocated to really kind of like ride and run and swim.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you know what can I do?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well I can walk uh so you know my arm in a sling you know that's what I did I walked um and so you know it just wasn't enough to uh to offset the calories that I was kind of taking in and the way that I was the way that I was eating and so I was just getting super frustrated and you know I tried to do it myself so I went back to you know periods of my life where I did lose weight and I was like I'm just going to go back and do what I did then and I would implement that and it and it didn't help.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: So it kind of taught me it's like you know there are different seasons in our life where certain methods may work and as we get older those methods may not be as successful.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so I said I went back in my files and I was like look I I really need and I I I first reached out to a nutritionist um she was she was helpful and she she did kind of like give me some information but I didn't see like any results and she didn't have the experience of dealing with somebody like me who has a very different digestive system and has a very different uh absorption system caloric absorption and nutrient absorption system like I have and so you know she would she would have been very successful with just a normal what I call a normal person.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I said I really need somebody who's got you know a specialty I need somebody who understands endurance athletes and the demands that we have because you know we are very different from a normal person.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then but then again I needed somebody who understood the way that my body works and the way that my body absorbs things the way that it doesn't absorb things and how to fuel my training at the intensity that I wanted effectively and to find somebody like that is excruciatingly hard.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_03: You really find people that understand endurance athletes right that's what you say or you find somebody who understands bariatric patients.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: And dealing with somebody who only understands the bariatric side you get you get good advice but not proper advice to fuel training they'll tell you how to lose weight but they're not going to tell you how to fuel your training and lose weight or change body composition which is something that we had that we had done a previous recording about you know kind of this moving away from this mindset of hey I want to lose weight to hey I want to change my body composition and I think is such a powerful way of of looking at it.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so luckily I've written your name down on in my files and I said this is the person that I think that I need to at least talk to and so I reached out to you and we've been working together now for what over a year almost uh we're probably pretty close to it.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Close to a year at least like it was like a long time last year.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah I can honestly say that uh over the past decade that I've been doing this I feel great now I do know that I'm fueling my workouts properly I do have a better handle on on the nutrition side of it.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: And you know I I'm thankful that I do have you know a job that allows me to be able to have that luxury of having you send me my menu and kind of take that pressure off of me.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's almost like you know you're just setting a kid alone in a candy store and you're just like here figure out what you're going to eat.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have good experience about doing this in the past.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I believe that's like that's the thing is like sometimes something I've learned working with people is like sometimes I can some people I can be like this is what you need to do and all of a sudden like a little bit of a template of like this is what we talked about here's what you need to do and it's like they can kind of take it and run with it a little bit maybe they need to just come for follow-ups to check in and then there are you know I think for some people it is helpful to have not so much someone like because I think with as you know I I really try in our discussions to talk about the why be you know I never want to be like you have to do this and this is your meal plan and just do it you know like don't ask questions like that's not how I operate like I want I want some like and I think you've been good about asking me things like why like or what what do you think about this or what do you you know so and that's I think what it takes to be a good coach too is like you know being able to have those discussions and be able to answer like the whys behind why you're at recommending something.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And in some certain cases like it has made me sometimes it does make me think like oh yeah maybe like I need to revisit that or like look at that research in that again because that is something that I've learned but maybe it's changed and so it does push me to be better too.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: But you know some people do need more like something like you know But easy, it's nice if you're really busy too to have some plan, something that's kind of okay, this is what I'm following, this is what I'm doing for the week.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to think about it as hard, like a coach, like a coaching training plan, you know?
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: So some people, you can kind of give them a generic plan and they can just kind of take it and run with it.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: And some people need more like individualized, and that's sort of how it is works as a sports uh dietitian to almost like a I kinda think of myself as like a coach and sometimes a detective because I a diet detective, because like some people come and I'm like they're telling me what's going on, and I'm like, okay, like I have to like sometimes I need all the workouts, I need your diet history, like what are you eating?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: What are your labs?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm looking at all this information and data, and it's almost like I'm trying to piece out what the heck is going on with someone, you know.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like there's that's the fun part about it is sometimes I feel like I'm literally like, why are you not losing weight?
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we have to almost go in and be like detectives, like I or I do, like I have to look through like what the heck is going on, you know.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: So um that's uh if someone's like wondering what it's like to work with me, it's like I don't have a cookie cutter sort of way I work with people, it's all sort of individual, and I think that's kind of how it's been, you know, it's like okay, try and figure out we had a way of doing it in the beginning and now and then we've finally found a way.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think you I think Justin, that you're is like easy, you know.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: You we found sort of a solution, but it doesn't always come easily at first.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's like I've got to sort of work with someone for a bit to help be able to help them, and it's like there's a lot of there's there's a lot of trial and error, and the same thing from from my perspective, yeah, like as a coach, yeah.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um is one of the things working with you has kind of taught me is that the nutrition side is is almost uh just like putting together the training plan.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's nuances uh from you know day to day and person to person.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: So you know, giving somebody, you know, within a year or something, giving somebody else my diet isn't necessarily going to help them, just like giving me somebody else's diet isn't going to help me.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I don't I hesitate to share.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is like you know how people put on their Instagram, like this is my daily what I eat in a day.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: I it's so horrible.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Don't like that because I'm like, no, like that's what you eat in a day, but this person over here probably doesn't need to eat what you're eating in a day.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: So why even share, you know, like I don't know, like I might share like a recipe or a meal, but I would never I'm never ever going to be like this is what I eat in a day as a dietitian, because what I eat in a day isn't what you know somebody else might need to be eating in a day because I'm I'm training differently, my needs are different, my goals are different.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that, yeah.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's that's I think the reason somebody should work with a sports dietitian is because not only that, but it's there's just so much like bad or conflicting, or just maybe good information, but it doesn't apply, you know, to somebody, and they're like listening to other podcasts, or they're like looking at things on like social media, or they're googling things, and then all of a sudden it's just like so overwhelming, you know.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do I and then is like kind of be it becomes a paralysis.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think that can be true for coaching too.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what should I do?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: How should I train?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: And there's like all these different philosophies of like how to go about training or like different training programs, and all of a sudden you're just like it's almost like you become a little bit paralyzed in what you should do.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I have a lot of people who eventually contact me who are like, I can't, I don't, I give up, I don't know.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've tried different things, I've gone and you know, looked online, and uh it's everything's so confusing.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: I just need someone to help me, you know.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, I I do the same thing when it when it comes to like creating my athlete training plans, nobody has the same plan.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they're all extremely unique.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I mean I do coach you know, trahletes, but I do coach single sport athletes as well.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I've worked with just swimmers, I've worked with just runners.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I haven't had the opportunity to work with somebody who is just interested in cycling.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um but you know, I I think that you know, when when I see you know other coaches, you know, posting, you know, hey, this is your you know, your your 15-week plan to you know run your first marathon.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that there's a there's a time and place for something like that.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um but thinking that hey, this person used that plan and it worked for them, it's going to work for me.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's the wrong approach.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like you know, you have a uniqueness in you that makes you different from them to where the plan that they followed may not work for you.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: It may have too much intensity, it may have too little intensity, you have an injury history just that may be completely different from theirs.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: You have different demands on your life.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: You could have somebody who's single or married with no kids, a nine to five job Monday through Friday, and you know, weekend warrior, they can go out and they have all the free time available.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: Then you have, you know, this the single mom who's got you know a couple kids working, you know, uh a job that's got flexible hours that has you know unregular hours.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: Why would I give them a plan the same plan that I give the guy who's maybe married with no kids and a stable job?
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, all I'm doing is I'm setting up that single mom for failure.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you're you're giving them something that they will they can't possibly succeed with and they can't possibly execute.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I think the same goes with nutrition.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can't give somebody the same plan to tell them, hey, all you need to do is eat this, eat it at this time and at this amount, and it and that's what you need.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: And this whole like calories in, calories out mindset.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we we've talked about this before.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's a gross simplification of what it takes to either lose weight or change body.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: And the same goes with endurance training, f following a plan that somebody else has followed uh that may not be suitable for your lifestyle, your path, um, and and the issues that you have to deal with.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: So hopefully that we'll be able to use this platform for the endurance athlete journey podcast, and we'll be able to talk about some of these nuances of training and how to weave weave them in and out of uh your specific needs.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_03: Not everything that we say is going to be uh pertinent to every single person.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: But if there's a possibility that one statement that you know Katie or I can make that clicks for you, that works for you, or shows you something that you've been doing that isn't working for you, then this the time that we spend doing this is completely worth it.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: And it is the purpose why we really want to do this.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: If it if it takes just one person having their aha moment, it's completely worth it.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's worth it, yeah, for sure.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like as we kind of alluded to, like these are all, I mean, we're gonna dive into like the nutrition and the training and just different topics, like it's not just going to be nutrition, it's not going to just be like training, which I think is a lot of what the podcast, not to say that current podcasts are like there's several I listen to that I really really like to listen to, but they might have some of those aspects.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: But because we're both have these unique perspectives and like experiences, I think we really bring an interesting discussion, you know, to it.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so hopefully we will be able to dive into some of these topics in a way that maybe, you know, if other other podcasters or other people in the space haven't um been able to, because there is so much nuance too.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's the that's the problem, is it?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Is it can be like, oh well, in this scenario it might work, but this, you know, like that's what we're hoping to bring.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to make it overcomplicated, but at the same time, yeah, if it helps somebody out there to figure out how to fuel better or maybe they have a better race outcome or naha moment because of it, like that's all worth it to me.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, speaking of which, because I know we're gonna wind down soon, but we have our, so this is our first episode, but our first topic related episode or episode number two will be uh forming a race day nutrition strategy.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: So we're just gonna be talking a little bit more, because I think that also is from what I can gather based off what I've seen recently, sort of a hot topic right now is is how to that that how to fuel your your your race, like how to kind of fuel in that uh training, but also that race uh specific fueling.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what our first topic is.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: You have any other things you want to mention on that?
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Are you no?
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it it definitely is a hot button topic.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's like almost every single podcast that I've been listening to recently, or any kind of article that pops up has some kind of like nutrition component now where people are you know barb loading during training and it's just yeah, we'll talk about that.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we're gonna capture.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think it's I think it's timely.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we need to take 190 grams an hour.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: Is that really nice?
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is that no, yeah, no, but that's what we're gonna talk about a little bit, like what what's happening in that space and what uh how to kind of um you know how to interpret some of that and and what might be best for for an individual kind of wanting to try to figure that out for themselves and maybe even how to figure like how to go about that and in um in in more of a a how-to sort of uh uh discussion, I think.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, well, I'm excited.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think I don't think that we'll be able to give them the entire puzzle, but if we can give them a couple pieces to their own individual puzzle, exactly.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think we're gonna be able to kind of we're gonna end it like with this perfect strategy, but what we hope is maybe it gives you some ideas of where to start or how to kind of go about it.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then it does, it is kind of like training, you have to trial it's trial and error process.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, absolutely.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I um I know we're I think hopefully this was a good first podcast and showing our stories.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think we were able to at least give the listeners an idea of where you know our background, a little bit of our own experiences, how we met, how we connected, which is also important, and what we're going to discuss in the future.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really looking forward to it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: I love I love this stuff.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just to be able to like talk about it and put it out there so someone else maybe get something from it too, is is help is great.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you, Katie.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I've enjoyed our conversation.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: On a rainy Saturday.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of brightened my day, honestly.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: I feel a little bit more peppy now because of it.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm glad we were able to do it and I'll uh I'll I'll chat with you again soon.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_03: All right, we'll talk again later.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: All right, bye, Justin.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_03: All right, see you, Katie.
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