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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 8-14-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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Speaker 1: He is not joining us on the Ramos Law hotline.
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Speaker 2: and it is our man. Jeff Legwall to ESPN, Leggy.
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Speaker 3: Was that does that cover Bruce Egos?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Yes he can, Yes, certainly does. I'm ready.
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Speaker 2: I won't as much as Vick wants to talk to
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Speaker 2: you about Taylor Swift on the New Heights podcast yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Well spare you, I'll spare you.
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Speaker 1: I want to start with this first and foremost.
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Speaker 3: Fix a man in tune with the youth, Well America?
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Speaker 1: He does, He does allege that. Well, if you're not,
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Speaker 1: if you're not covering every demographic, you're not covering anything,
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Speaker 1: You're doing it wrong.
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Speaker 2: Well, we just happened to play the audio and you
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Speaker 2: walked out in my dis direction and came back that direction.
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Speaker 1: Because I got invited into cafeteria by somebody from the Broncos.
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Speaker 3: So excuse me.
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Speaker 1: Why, sir.
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Speaker 4: I certainly would like to have something in front of
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Speaker 4: me here.
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Speaker 1: I'm very important, no muffing.
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Speaker 4: You gonna get a muffin in your pocket. You don't
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Speaker 4: have that, uh that uh that pocket pancake.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Leggy Patzertan was on Kay Adams Show a couple of
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Speaker 2: days ago when she was at camp Yep. He said
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Speaker 2: he thinks this defense can be like historic.
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Speaker 1: Do you see that?
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Speaker 3: I mean they're they're talented enough. I what I tell
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Speaker 3: people is the best offenses, Uh in football essentially ask
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Speaker 3: the toughest questions of defenses, and the best defenses have
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Speaker 3: the best answers. Okay, and they have a lot of answers. Like,
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Speaker 3: you want to play big, they can play big and
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Speaker 3: maintain their speed. You want to play small and spread
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Speaker 3: it out. They got more corners. I mean Abrams Strain
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Speaker 3: is a fifth corner on this team, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: I've talked to GMS pro personnel guys. He's a twur
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Speaker 3: of three on half the teams in the league. I
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Speaker 3: mean that's where they're at now. Defensively, you know, when
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Speaker 3: you're always people get at me because I never dive
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Speaker 3: into the historical pond before things have happened. But I've
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Speaker 3: just seen injuries in the NFL in my years of
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Speaker 3: doing this. Take something really good and bump it way down,
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Speaker 3: you know, but you know it's one practice and everything,
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Speaker 3: but they go to the joint practice in San Francisco.
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Speaker 3: Brandon Jones doesn't practice, green Law doesn't practice, Singleton doesn't practice.
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Speaker 3: And they absolutely dominated every single period except one period
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Speaker 3: at the end. I would say the forty nine ers
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Speaker 3: tied that period and they I mean, it was just
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Speaker 3: ridiculous at one point. I think at one point I
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Speaker 3: counted seven consecutive plays without a positive gain for the
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers.
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Speaker 1: That starts up front. Then that tells me that upfront.
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Speaker 3: And they can rotate, they can rote. I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 3: they're the decisions they're making, especially on defense this year.
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Speaker 3: They will be releasing players who can play for other
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Speaker 3: people right away, Like that last defensive line spot. You're
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Speaker 3: probably talking Jordan Jackson who's played in games, and Jasaque
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Speaker 3: who is a draft pick here. I mean, that's the
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Speaker 3: kind of decisions you're making at this point on defense now.
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Speaker 3: So personnel wise, and I've told people again it's just practice,
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Speaker 3: it's just August, but it's as good as any defense
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Speaker 3: I've ever seen in August in this format. So we'll
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Speaker 3: see what it turns out to be. But if three
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Speaker 3: guys get hurt the first two weeks of the season,
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Speaker 3: especially Sir Tan, you take him out of the mix
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Speaker 3: and it's a whole different thing. He's the ultimate chess piece.
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Speaker 3: The one thing they'll be able to do this year
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Speaker 3: they haven't been able to do a lot is they're
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Speaker 3: going to force people to have to take Sirtan on
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Speaker 3: because the red of the quarterback are ingrained in their
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Speaker 3: head to go to where the one on one matchups are.
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Speaker 3: It's just drilled into them all the time. So they're
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Speaker 3: going to force you to make a decision to throw
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Speaker 3: into a crowd or to throw against and most guys
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Speaker 3: are gonna pick the crowd. I mean, we saw Joe
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Speaker 3: Burrow do it. He's probably the best one of the
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Speaker 3: top three quarterbacks in the league, and all he did
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Speaker 3: was a void certain last year.
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Speaker 1: On that note, we visited with Riley Moss, who's a
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Speaker 1: skinny jeans guy like yourself, Jeff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a skinny everything. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Do you see him that Cincinnati game obviously was not pretty.
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Speaker 1: Do you see him taking that next step?
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Speaker 3: He's the thing you get people are gonna like about
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Speaker 3: Riley Moss if they coach or whatever. Is he has
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Speaker 3: a game like that or a play like that, he
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Speaker 3: competes just as hard on the next play. He is
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Speaker 3: the ultimate corner mind memory, which is I was talking
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Speaker 3: to champag earlier this year about the Broncos corners, and
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Speaker 3: he said, that's the Beyonce Ertan's you know, rare talent
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Speaker 3: is the the competitiveness, and he traced that to sort
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Speaker 3: of VJ Vj's mentality. You know, I think sometimes people
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Speaker 3: see Vance as this mild manner, doesn't yell guy. He's
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Speaker 3: as an aggressive a defensive coordinator as I've ever seen.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a Wade Phillips disciple, and he preaches
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Speaker 3: the gospel of that's why they give up big plays
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Speaker 3: because he plays fans, calls games with the pedal to
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Speaker 3: the floor at all times, and he's always looking to
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Speaker 3: be aggressive play man. Sometimes when they get in trouble
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Speaker 3: on defense, it's when they go to zone because they
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Speaker 3: don't play enough of it. You know, they don't play
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Speaker 3: enough of it. He's always in those aggressive things. So
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, they've got the sort of the
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Speaker 3: chemical makeup to have a really good year defensively, and
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Speaker 3: I think everybode would be dis point and if they didn't.
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Speaker 3: But I always put the injury caveat on everything in
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Speaker 3: this league.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because it can just change everything.
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Speaker 4: Right, Let's go to the other side of the football,
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Speaker 4: and do you think it's important for Sean Payton to
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Speaker 4: get his first team offense feeling good at all?
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Speaker 3: Or do you not worry about that.
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Speaker 4: They weren't awful against the forty nine ers, could have
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Speaker 4: been better couple silly things. Do you think that they
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Speaker 4: need any positivity or is this offense beyond that that
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Speaker 4: they don't need any pats on the back or to
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Speaker 4: sit their butts on the bench and say, you know what, Okay,
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Speaker 4: we feel good.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're beyond anything at this point. I
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Speaker 3: think they've just been okay throughout camp. You know, in
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Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers game, he had no intention of
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Speaker 3: leaving them in for three series. I mean, that's not
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Speaker 3: his intention going into the San Francisco game. But he
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Speaker 3: left them in there because and he only took him
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Speaker 3: out after three series because you don't want to risk
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Speaker 3: it anymore after that. He didn't take him out because
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Speaker 3: he thought they had done well. So I think it
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Speaker 3: is a question. I think he'd like to see that
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Speaker 3: one quick touchdown this week and get him out. But
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Speaker 3: he'll leave him in there, I believe, until they show
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Speaker 3: a little flow, until they show some goodness. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, do you think that Bonix.
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Speaker 4: I mean, even though he's full of confidence and guys
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Speaker 4: of that offense are full of confidence, do they need
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Speaker 4: to just Okay, guys, we did it.
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Speaker 1: It's a little just a little bit of a breather.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the assumption is not very many
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Speaker 3: if any starters are playing in New Orleans because it's
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Speaker 3: such a weird you know, it's a noon kickoff down there,
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Speaker 3: so I don't think anyone thinks that's going to be
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Speaker 3: you know, where you get it done. I think today
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Speaker 3: is pretty key, you know, about what he looks at
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Speaker 3: the joint practice and then if they have a nice drive,
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Speaker 3: you know, I could see him after one drive getting
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Speaker 3: him out. You know, I think it's hard to tell
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Speaker 3: because he he is and he's publicly said it and
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Speaker 3: sort of privately that he is kind of working through
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Speaker 3: his first ever back to back joint practice weeks. You know,
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Speaker 3: I think he's trying to figure out how would I
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Speaker 3: approach this? What does it mean for snaps? And and
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Speaker 3: all the rest of it.
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Speaker 1: Early impressions on RJ. Harvey.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think like all run you know, young
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Speaker 3: running backs, they tend to look for too much open space.
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Speaker 3: They think it's like it used to be. You know,
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Speaker 3: they don't always trust the inside hole when it's really there,
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Speaker 3: you know, but they you know, what was a five
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Speaker 3: foot gap for them to run to in college is now.
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Speaker 3: I always say it's like the doors at the grocery store.
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Speaker 3: They're only going to stay open lot that long and
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Speaker 3: you've got to get through there and you've got to
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Speaker 3: trust it. And that's a big step for a back.
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Speaker 3: He's got a little too much bounce it outside stuff
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Speaker 3: going on. But that's very, very very common, and it's
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Speaker 3: I think you'll continue to see you know, Harvey on
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Speaker 3: the early downs, the traditional rundown, and then anytime it's
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Speaker 3: where there's a protection question, Dobbins will be in the game,
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Speaker 3: and then then that'll be the I think that'll be
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Speaker 3: the rotation until you know, the proverbial Hotthand.
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Speaker 1: What does obdric estimate have to do to make this?
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Speaker 3: You know, I might and it's not like a you know,
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Speaker 3: it's just one of my things. Uh, you know, I
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Speaker 3: get the numbers and everything, but I'd hate to see
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Speaker 3: the Broncos sort of give up on him too early
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Speaker 3: just because they don't have room at the moment. I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, but he's not. If they only keep four,
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Speaker 3: they're not practicing in the rotation where he's in the four.
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Speaker 3: I guess I would say right now, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a small detail, Like I get it.
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Speaker 2: It's preseason and it was Week one. He he was
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Speaker 2: the sixth running back ten of the game, right.
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Speaker 1: Watson.
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Speaker 3: Both ways, I think he's a talented player, and you know,
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Speaker 3: I think you know, but the NFL this is the
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Speaker 3: cruelty of the numbers every year. But you know that
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Speaker 3: is a player now where you could you know, would
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Speaker 3: he clear waivers? You I don't know. I ask people
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Speaker 3: every year about certain guys, and you know, I get
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Speaker 3: a lot of yeah, you know, we take a look,
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Speaker 3: but would they claim would they claim them? I don't
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Speaker 3: know that right right?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 3: Usually I know some gms who say, you know, any
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Speaker 3: draft pick and Day one or Day two for any
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Speaker 3: team anywhere as an automatic, just to take a look
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Speaker 3: at them. You know, they all understand you were you
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Speaker 3: were released for a reason, so they know they're maybe
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Speaker 3: they're not getting the player they scout it. Yeah, but
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Speaker 3: a lot of gms will just say if you were
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Speaker 3: a Day one or a Day two pick, or an
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Speaker 3: early Day three, they'll take a shot on it on
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Speaker 3: a claim.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly. Here we got a couple of minutes.
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Speaker 2: Who do you think are the outside of Courtland Sutton
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Speaker 2: the next two base right now highest reception leaders on
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Speaker 2: the team.
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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to leave Ingram won't get enough
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Speaker 3: targets for the opportunity. And then because last year.
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Speaker 1: The second was vele as far as whiteouts.
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Speaker 3: As far as whiteouts, I mean Willie Javante was that
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Speaker 3: had fifty he was the number two right catches. But yeah, no,
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Speaker 3: I could see Ingram being number two in targets. And
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. Mims is my wild card.
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Speaker 3: I think I think they'd like to get him involved
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Speaker 3: in his rotations. Again, I can't practice. You know, people
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Speaker 3: always wonder what the hell I'm doing. But you look
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Speaker 3: at look at groupings because that's their intention. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 3: look at the walkthroughs that are when you're in the bleachers.
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Speaker 3: Those are the most boring parts of practice. But those
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Speaker 3: are really probably the only parts where you're getting real
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Speaker 3: information about what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: There.
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Speaker 3: I think so, But you know, I think I think
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Speaker 3: his snaps are so concentrated to a certain grouping of plays.
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Speaker 3: You know that they want him to be that big
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Speaker 3: hit guy. Uh and I you know, they say it's different,
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Speaker 3: but they've kind of lined up like it is the same.
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Speaker 3: But you know, MEM's and Franklin were at the same
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Speaker 3: position last year in the in the schematic draw up.
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Speaker 3: So until they separate those two, they're gonna be button
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Speaker 3: heads for for snaps and targets.
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Speaker 1: get you out early. Get it.
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Speaker 3: It looks like you know you said long extended segment.
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Speaker 3: I sit down and get the hell this is the.
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Speaker 1: Last one, dude, you want to you want to stick
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Speaker 1: around for.
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Speaker 3: Your last day out here?
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Speaker 1: You can stick around. We're not taking to kick you.
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Speaker 1: I'll thought you had somewhere to go.
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Speaker 3: Everybody's nine fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Oh, we have plenty of time. Everybody's sad. Leg walds
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Speaker 1: leg Wald's not sad? Is it? Are you sad that
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Speaker 1: this is the last day that you can do this?
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Speaker 1: Or can you do this movie.
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Speaker 3: We'll have more moving forward. Oh okay, the you know
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Speaker 3: the slugs of the beat writers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, he doesn't leave this place. What he's talking about,
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Speaker 1: He's always here.
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Speaker 3: I turn the lights out, Jeff.
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Speaker 1: La I gotta share a quick Leggy story, holding on.
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Speaker 3: I don't like.
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Speaker 1: I noticed this yesterday. You know, Leggy is right down
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Speaker 1: the middle when it comes to covering sports.
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Speaker 3: He is.
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Speaker 1: You know, there was no such thing as siding on
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Speaker 1: one or the other. Yesterday there was a drill taking
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Speaker 1: place and somebody threw a football and it goes to
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Speaker 1: the sideline right next to the reporters, right next I
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Speaker 1: mean right next, right by Leggy's feet. So normally a
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Speaker 1: human being would pick up the ball. That's Leggy's looking
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Speaker 1: at that thing same, almost with disdain, touching that. Brandon
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Speaker 1: Cristal runs up, grabs it and tosses it back. Of course,
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Speaker 1: is well, Leggies like.
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Speaker 3: And through the end over end by the way that
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Speaker 3: thing going.
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Speaker 1: What do you think I'm gonna help you guys with
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Speaker 1: your practice.
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Speaker 3: Don't throw it at my feet, you guys, right articles
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Speaker 3: that was not in frame. You know I'm an inframe receiver. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you gotta put the ball on me.
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Speaker 2: Uh, Jeff, feel free to stick around. I will okay, Well,
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Speaker 2: all right, all right more Jeff last, yes, next, all
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Speaker 1: One more segment with Jeff.
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Speaker 3: Leg Walk Whether you want it or not.
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Speaker 1: I was giving parenting advice. Oh really, yes he was.
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Speaker 1: Oh what kind of advice?
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Speaker 3: Nothing good?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, wait till you have to pay college already?
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Speaker 2: Talking about my patients is just it's tested every day
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Speaker 2: every day.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear, Jeff? The college tuition at USC this year,
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Speaker 1: room and board and tuition, right, because they always try to, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's just tuition, then they forget the room to Yeah. No,
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Speaker 1: take a guess with the numbers.
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Speaker 3: I can't hear this.
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Speaker 1: Ninety two five.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just finished two solids ninety five nothing shock
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Speaker 3: my friend's kids going there?
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Speaker 1: Ninety two five.
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Speaker 3: Well, I just went to the grocery store and I
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Speaker 3: got basket of food that was one O eight. So
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Speaker 3: I just I can understand, don't eat.
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Speaker 1: You can tell you can take care of that.
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Speaker 2: Wait, I have a very important question We were just talking
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Speaker 2: about how you were a you're a very stoic man.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to pick up that ball that falls
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Speaker 2: by your.
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Speaker 3: Phone since you know journalistically stoic most of the other time.
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Speaker 2: I'm so I need, I need to ask something because
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Speaker 2: you cover sports, and I know it's probably different for
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Speaker 2: somebody's been covering sports as long as you have. But
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Speaker 2: can you give me the last time a sporting event
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Speaker 2: made you fist pump?
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Speaker 3: Uh? You know that's a good one. My uh, my
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Speaker 3: kids are always saying, like Rob you Yeah, it comes
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Speaker 3: to in the World Series. Pretty big deal for me
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Speaker 3: because you know we used to go to games when
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Speaker 3: I was like two.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's an easy one because you know why.
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Speaker 3: It was my dad, your parents. My dad was born
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Speaker 3: and died and they never won the World Series.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm getting worried about Papa Cana.
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Speaker 3: I gotta make that happen something.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, man, Troy, you need to.
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Speaker 3: Get the message. Dan Campbell didn't go.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, t Willie, if you're listening, all right, listen, cut
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Speaker 4: down on the course lights a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Okay, get there. I'm dead serious.
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Speaker 1: We went and played last year. We played it sanctuary.
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Speaker 2: I got him out there, and you guys know at Sanctuary,
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Speaker 2: some of those greens you gotta walk up a mountain deeper.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I walked a pace behind my dad with a handout.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, you're gonna make it, buddy, keep going,
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Speaker 1: You're gonna make it.
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Speaker 3: Remember how much fun we're.
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Speaker 1: Having exactly right? Yeah, Hey, Jeff, back to the Broncos
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Speaker 1: offense a little bit here.
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Speaker 4: How I've never asked you this question, and I hope
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Speaker 4: you know the answer, because I have no clue. How
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Speaker 4: big is Sean Payton's playbook. It's pretty big, okay, I've seen.
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Speaker 3: I have friends who have given me two of the
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Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints playbooks to sort of Study's pretty pretty
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Speaker 3: all you miss. He also has long play calls, much
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Speaker 3: like Mike Shanahan did. Gary Kubiak. A lot of people
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Speaker 3: have gone to one word cadence colors. You know, you
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Speaker 3: know what used to be eighteen word play calls are
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Speaker 3: now one word for a lot of teams. Okay, so
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Speaker 3: he's sort of they're a little shorter now than they
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Speaker 3: would have been, but so he sort of combined it
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Speaker 3: a little bit. It's pretty I mean, just look at
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Speaker 3: the play sheet on game day. That's bigger than most
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 4: Does it take a special person to be able to
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Speaker 4: run that or special players or is it graspable you
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Speaker 4: think for everybody?
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Speaker 1: Because and the reason I say that.
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Speaker 3: For everybody, I mean I've had players telling me use
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Speaker 3: that exact quote. It ain't for everybody, Okay.
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Speaker 4: I was reading a quote quote from the late great
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Speaker 4: michae Leach, coach Leech, and he said, look, he.
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Speaker 3: Was the other he was the other side. He had
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Speaker 3: an index card.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. He said.
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Speaker 4: We don't try to over complicate things. He says, what
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Speaker 4: we do is we do few things, but we do
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Speaker 4: them a lot, and we do them incredibly well. So
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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm curious as to where the happy medium
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Speaker 4: is in there. Because Peyton obviously is enamored with his
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Speaker 4: own play calling in his own playbook and his ability
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Speaker 4: to do that, and he's earned that right for sure,
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Speaker 4: But what about the other side of the coin were Hey, man,
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Speaker 4: if you're talking about running the football, just have some plays,
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Speaker 4: a handful of plays to get really freaking.
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Speaker 3: Good at them. That's always the rub. I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: I think every play caller in football battles that, you know,
18:23
Speaker 3: Battles said issue, how much is too much? I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think there was a moment last year Joe Lombardi,
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Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator, said maybe we have to look at
18:32
Speaker 3: the volume. It was just kind of an aside, but
18:35
Speaker 3: it was probably week four, week five, and I think
18:38
Speaker 3: it was on their mind. So he giving a young
18:41
Speaker 3: quarterback at that point too much stuff. But you know,
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Speaker 3: play callers like Sean are gonna have They want a
18:48
Speaker 3: lot of choices. Now he gives the quarterbacks, he calls them,
18:52
Speaker 3: you know, he lets them dot it as he says,
18:55
Speaker 3: put little dots next to the plays they really like.
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Speaker 3: And he does lean to that grouping. But the playsheet
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Speaker 3: is enormous, and that the issue is it used to
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Speaker 3: happen with Manning all the time because he had like
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Speaker 3: the NASA brain is they they'd run a plane a game.
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Speaker 3: They may not have repped in practice for a month
19:16
Speaker 3: or even since training camp, but he could function with that.
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Speaker 3: And you know, it's just who you got at quarterback.
19:24
Speaker 3: What you're straight, Mike Leach. Some of it was schematic.
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Speaker 3: The air raid offense doesn't attack matchups, it attacks space,
19:33
Speaker 3: so you can call plays with that in mind. So
19:36
Speaker 3: you know, Mike Leach used to carry an index card
19:39
Speaker 3: that was his playsheet. Interesting for the game, because you're
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Speaker 3: attacking space. You're not attacking the left corner or the
19:45
Speaker 3: strong safety. You're attacking where the space is.
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Speaker 1: Well, he had weird splits in offensive line.
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Speaker 3: That's what I mean. They're attacking space. So any air
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Speaker 3: raid disciple is uses that mentality and they don't have
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Speaker 3: much of a sheet or anything.
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Speaker 1: Who is the biggest brain quarterback you've ever covered, is
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Speaker 1: it Manning?
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Speaker 3: Man I'll tell that if we have time, I'll tell
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Speaker 3: you a Manning story. And when I worked at the Tent,
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Speaker 3: when I covered the Titans for ten years, we had
20:11
Speaker 3: a small staff at our paper. So every Saturday I
20:15
Speaker 3: had to do an SEC game college game, yeah, and
20:18
Speaker 3: then I'd have to get to the Titans game. No
20:20
Speaker 3: matter what red eye or how long the drive was,
20:23
Speaker 3: I had to get to the Titans game the next day.
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Speaker 3: So I did SEC games for ten years every Saturday.
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Speaker 3: So I probably did twenty twenty five of Manning's games
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Speaker 3: at Tennessee. And then when he got here in twenty twelve,
20:37
Speaker 3: I'm talking to him off to the side and we're
20:38
Speaker 3: kind of going through some of those old games. And everything,
20:42
Speaker 3: and he had a game they Florida. They Florida killed him.
20:45
Speaker 3: But Manning threw a high pass on the sideline and
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Speaker 3: Joey Kent, the receiver, went up and almost got killed
20:52
Speaker 3: and he bit his tongue when he got tackled. Player's
20:55
Speaker 3: blood everywhere, and it was just a you know, it
20:58
Speaker 3: was a crazy play. And we were talking about it,
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Speaker 3: and Manning proceeded. This is in twenty twelve. That game
21:05
Speaker 3: was probably in nineteen ninety seven, and he proceeded to
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Speaker 3: tell me the route and I called him on it
21:14
Speaker 3: and I said, that's not you don't remember that. And
21:17
Speaker 3: then he proceeded, and I'm taping because we're interviewing. I'm
21:20
Speaker 3: interviewing him at the time. He proceeds to do the
21:23
Speaker 3: whole drive and I said, there's no way you remember that,
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Speaker 3: No way. And I went back in the media room
21:30
Speaker 3: over here and I called up the play by play
21:33
Speaker 3: from that game, and I'll be damned if he didn't
21:35
Speaker 3: hit every single play of that drive down in distance
21:41
Speaker 3: yardage on the plate.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I went to the bathroom.
21:44
Speaker 3: But his joke was always that I can remember that,
21:48
Speaker 3: but I can't remember to close the garage door.
21:50
Speaker 1: You know, how do you guys have that?
21:52
Speaker 2: Though Lebron can do that stuff, he can recall again
21:55
Speaker 2: ten years ago and just do an entire like second quarter,
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Speaker 2: this is what happened.
21:59
Speaker 3: I've sat with Cirtan and he's he's told me like
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Speaker 3: eight weeks before it. Yeah, you know they ran this
22:06
Speaker 3: this bunch on the right, and you know, the inside guy,
22:09
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, I go back and
22:11
Speaker 3: I look at it on the video and.
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's exactly right certain athletes. I'm
22:15
Speaker 1: telling you, Jamal Murray, if you ask Jamal Murray, Okay,
22:18
Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals, Game two, Lakers, this play, He'll remember
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Speaker 1: every sequence of that play.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you another man crazy brain story is Dungee
22:26
Speaker 3: told me this story the Hall of Fame meeting went here.
22:28
Speaker 3: Dungee said, He's in a team meeting and he's talking
22:31
Speaker 3: about something and Manning has always had the spiral notebook
22:34
Speaker 3: he would take notes in, and his locker he had
22:36
Speaker 3: like four hundred spiral notebooks piled up, and he's taking
22:41
Speaker 3: notes in the front and Dungee's talking and he says,
22:43
Speaker 3: Manning's making this face like you know, like just this
22:48
Speaker 3: hurt dunk guy, you know, disgusted just looking at him,
22:52
Speaker 3: and Dungee thinks, I'm not talking about anything that that's
22:55
Speaker 3: that big a deal right now. So they get done
22:58
Speaker 3: at the meeting and Dungee's in his office, he says.
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Speaker 3: Manning comes down the home, knocks on the door. You know, hey, coach,
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Speaker 3: you got a minute, and he walks in with another
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Speaker 3: spiral notebook and says, you know, five years ago you
23:09
Speaker 3: said this when you were talking about that, and it
23:13
Speaker 3: today wasn't the same. Why why do we change? Don't
23:16
Speaker 3: you was like, I don't even remember saying it. And
23:20
Speaker 3: he said, let's just go with what you want, and
23:23
Speaker 3: that's what they did. But wow, now Manning had that's
23:26
Speaker 3: I've covered tons of guys in forty seasons and that
23:29
Speaker 3: brain is They should put that thing in.
23:31
Speaker 1: The ston It's amazing. But at some point you have
23:35
Speaker 1: such a wide grasp of the offense, sometimes you're only
23:39
Speaker 1: as good as your worst guy.
23:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you got to get all eleven.
23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sometimes that could be hard because you're hard
23:46
Speaker 1: to play with many, yeah, he says.
23:48
Speaker 3: Sometimes, and Gae has told me this too. Adam Gasee
23:51
Speaker 3: has told me sometimes Manning would just see a matchup
23:55
Speaker 3: and call a play. They hadn't reps since August, it'd
23:57
Speaker 3: be November or whatever, and it would be a play
24:01
Speaker 3: they repped in camp maybe three times.
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Speaker 1: Do you see any of that big brain and Bonix.
24:05
Speaker 3: I like, he's got that same spatial thinking and I
24:11
Speaker 3: think it almost takes that kind of memory now to
24:15
Speaker 3: play what they asks to do now. When I first
24:19
Speaker 3: started covering the league, I first started covering the league,
24:23
Speaker 3: defense is lined up in basically three looks three and
24:28
Speaker 3: just played it. You know, nothing pre snapped, nobody's disguising anything,
24:32
Speaker 3: just line up play. Now you don't get the same
24:37
Speaker 3: look on consecutive snaps ever, defense are subbing every down.
24:44
Speaker 3: I mean, what they ask quarterbacks to do now, we
24:46
Speaker 3: all underestimate it. I would think when we decide who's
24:49
Speaker 3: a great quarterback and why can't they just be better
24:53
Speaker 3: and all those things. I mean, what they're asking these
24:55
Speaker 3: guys to do is unlike much of anything awesome sports.
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