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Speaker 1: a feature film edition as I visit with my favorite
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Speaker 1: film study guru, Greg Cosel. Then it's the latest edition
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Speaker 1: I had a similar experience this week with clothing. I
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Speaker 1: of the cost. Now let's get to my first guest.
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Speaker 1: I have something in common with Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd,
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Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, and just about anybody that hosts a podcast
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Speaker 1: or radio show about football. One of my favorite guests
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Speaker 1: is Greg Cosel from NFL Films and the ESPN Matchup Show,
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Speaker 1: and he joined me this week for an in depth
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Speaker 1: off season look at the Bengals. Greg, the last time
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Speaker 1: we talked was at the NFL Combine where you were
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Speaker 1: working on your player evaluations, and as it turns out,
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Speaker 1: you did detailed film breakdowns of all six Bengals draft picks,
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Speaker 1: plus a couple of guys that they signed as undrafted
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Speaker 1: free agents. So let's start with Shamar Stewart. You called
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Speaker 1: him one of the most intriguing prospects in the draft.
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Speaker 2: Explain why, Yeah, because this guy is a freakish athlete.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just turn on the tape. I knew nothing.
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Speaker 2: You know, It's funny, Dan, I watch a good amount
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Speaker 2: of college football, and some guys I end up feeling like, oh,
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Speaker 2: they're very familiar to me, even though I haven't done
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Speaker 2: their tape, And other guys I don't really know a
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Speaker 2: lot about it all. And Shamar Stewart was a guy
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Speaker 2: that was almost virgin territory for me when I started
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Speaker 2: watching him. And as soon as you put the tape on,
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is a sudden explosive athlete. He
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Speaker 2: just jumped off the tape just watching him move. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this guy has explosive athleticism. And then you watch more
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Speaker 2: and more and you can't help it be impressed with
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Speaker 2: the athleticism. But I came away feeling that he just
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Speaker 2: needs to learn how to rush the quarterback, that he
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Speaker 2: just didn't really have a sense of how to do that.
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Speaker 2: He would just get off the ball and run into
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Speaker 2: the tackle, and every once in a while, because he's
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Speaker 2: so strong and if he had enough runway with his velocity,
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Speaker 2: speed and natural power, he could shove the tackle back
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Speaker 2: into the pocket, and of course they moved him around
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Speaker 2: as well. As you probably know. He didn't just play
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Speaker 2: on the outside. But my sense is that's what he'll be.
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Speaker 2: So I came away believing that, you know, he just
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Speaker 2: someone needs to teach him really how to rush the quarterback,
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Speaker 2: all the nuances, the details, how to use his hands,
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Speaker 2: how to playoff contact. You have to be able to
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Speaker 2: play off contact.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I've been fortunate to speak to offensive lineman from the
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Speaker 2: first thing they say offensive tackles in particular is it's
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Speaker 2: all about speed to power. If you can't beat me
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Speaker 2: with power, then I have the advantage right off the bat.
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Speaker 2: So he's got to learn. Even though he's strong and
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Speaker 2: he's explosive, he has to learn how to play off
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Speaker 2: that contact because once he creates it, he kind of stopped.
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Speaker 2: So but if he can put it all together, you know,
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Speaker 2: when you say that about a lot of guys, so
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything profound here, but if you can
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Speaker 2: put it all together, you could have a guy that's
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Speaker 2: really a dynamic player because the athletic traits are just
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Speaker 2: off the charts.
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Speaker 1: Because he only had four and a half sacks in
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Speaker 1: his career in Texas A and M. He's been referred
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Speaker 1: to by some as boom or bust. I think of
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Speaker 1: it more as boom or solid. Yeah. Do you agree
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Speaker 1: with that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, here's in my transition. I know you
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Speaker 2: look at my material, so you know how I do this.
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Speaker 2: You know I do strength to weaknesses transition in my transition,
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Speaker 2: which I'm sure you read that. At this point in
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Speaker 2: his development, Stewart is more of an athletic and physical
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Speaker 2: freak than a polished, refined player, and its projection and
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Speaker 2: transition to the next level will depend a great deal
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Speaker 2: in the D line coach of the team that drafts it.
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Speaker 2: And you know, so to me, that's a major thing.
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Speaker 2: You have to teach this guy. And I don't know
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Speaker 2: the kid. I'm hopeful he's receptive to being coached and
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Speaker 2: taught because you know, if he puts it all together,
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Speaker 2: like I said, you really have something.
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Speaker 1: Did Texas A and M use him in ways that
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Speaker 1: limited his production?
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Speaker 2: I mean he lined up in multiple spots along their
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Speaker 2: defensive front. I mean there were times he was reduced,
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Speaker 2: there were times he rushed versus guards, there were times
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Speaker 2: he was the one technique or zero technique. You know,
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Speaker 2: he really moved around, I think to me, and again
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you can't move him around. That depends
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Speaker 2: on your other personnelity and how they see it when
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Speaker 2: you get to pure pass situations. But my sense is
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Speaker 2: he's probably an edge player. You know, he had plays
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Speaker 2: you know when you watch the tape where you win, well,
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Speaker 2: you know he had he had a snap against armand
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Speaker 2: Membo last year and Membo was a was a high
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Speaker 2: pick in the first round, the Missouri right tackle where
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Speaker 2: he just physically manhandled Membo and Membo was really really strong.
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Speaker 2: And he had really some really good snaps as well
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Speaker 2: against Will Campbell from LSU. So it's there, it's in
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Speaker 2: his body. Like I said, I think he's an end.
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Speaker 2: Depending on the way their other personnel might develop, you know,
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Speaker 2: it could could you move him inside? You could?
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Speaker 3: Sure.
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Speaker 1: Their second round pick was linebacker Demetrius Knight out of
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. He wrote that he can be a Day
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Speaker 1: one starter, and that appears to be the plan. It
6:46
Speaker 1: seems most likely that he is going to start for
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Speaker 1: the Bengals next to Logan Wilson. What do you like
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Speaker 1: about Knight?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I you know again, maybe I'm old school.
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Speaker 2: Then you know, it's probably because I'm old But you know,
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Speaker 2: the thing I liked about Night is this guy just
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Speaker 2: had a really well chiseled frame and he played physically.
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Speaker 2: And to me, if you're going to be a stackbacker
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Speaker 2: somewhere along the line, you have to play physically. And
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Speaker 2: I thought that he really did that well. But now
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Speaker 2: there were other elements of his game that I really
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Speaker 2: really loved. He had a quick trigger, he had an
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Speaker 2: explosive first step, he had burst in acceleration. I thought
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Speaker 2: his run defense was as good as any linebacker in
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five draft class. I mean, he knew
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Speaker 2: what he saw. You know, we talk about key and diagnose.
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Speaker 2: That's a phrase you hear a lot for the linebackers
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Speaker 2: in particular. I thought his key and diagnose was really good.
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Speaker 2: For another trim, you hear a lot of scrape and
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Speaker 2: flow to work through traffic. I thought he was really
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Speaker 2: really good at that. And he was a better athlete
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Speaker 2: than I think some people gave him credit for. He
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Speaker 2: made a lot of plays where he in pursued, you know,
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Speaker 2: running down people. So I really liked his tape a lot.
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Speaker 2: And you know, when I saw its forty time and again,
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Speaker 2: not that that's the be all and end all. I said, Okay,
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Speaker 2: you know that that's good. He ran a four or
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Speaker 2: five eight that that's good because this kid is a
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Speaker 2: good sized kid. You've probably seen him. I mean, he's
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Speaker 2: put together. So I thought he was a classic stacked
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Speaker 2: backer and obviously that's the way he would play for
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Speaker 2: the Bengals. And as you said, it would not surprise
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Speaker 2: me for a second if he's the starter next to
8:24
Speaker 2: Logan Wilson.
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Speaker 1: They took another linebacker in the fourth round, Barrett Carter
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Speaker 1: out of Clemson. One Bengal scout told me that he
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Speaker 1: thought he was the best coverage linebacker in the draft.
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Speaker 1: What stood out to you when you watch Barrett Carter?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what that to me is his best
8:41
Speaker 2: the best part of his game. I mean I thought that,
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Speaker 2: you know, he had the speed to carry your receivers
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Speaker 2: down the seam. He was really good. And underneath his
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Speaker 2: own coverage, he had a good feel for routes, good
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Speaker 2: feel for reading the quarterback. You know, he's a very
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Speaker 2: athletic kid. I mean he's a little bit smaller than
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Speaker 2: you'd idea only like I think, but you know, he's
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Speaker 2: probably still a stackbacker. There's no question that he had
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Speaker 2: to see it and go quick trigger mentality. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he played fast and he had a lot of range.
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Speaker 2: He's twitchy. You know, he's an interesting guy. Uh And
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Speaker 2: my guess is he's a fourth round pick because he's
9:19
Speaker 2: not quite as big as you would like. You know,
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Speaker 2: he's six feet, he's two thirty. Yeah, he didn't his
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Speaker 2: forty times wasn't as good as Knights. That which is
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Speaker 2: really interesting because at the end of the day, he's
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Speaker 2: he's his game has to be about speed and range.
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Speaker 2: But he is a really good coverage player. It'll be
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Speaker 2: interesting to see how he acclimates to the league and
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Speaker 2: if you can play in their sub early on, or
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Speaker 2: whether he's the kind of player that almost needs, you know,
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Speaker 2: half a year or a year to kind of acclimate
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Speaker 2: to the league.
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Speaker 1: We are chatting with Greg co Sell from NFL Films
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Speaker 1: in the ESPN Matchup Show. The Bengals drafted two offensive linemen,
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Speaker 1: Dylan Fairchild in the third round Jalen Rivers in the fifth.
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Speaker 1: In reading your evaluations, I got the impression that you
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Speaker 1: were just as high on Rivers as fair Child. Is
10:07
Speaker 1: that accurate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Jalen Rivers. You know, it's funny,
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Speaker 2: Jalen Rivers I actually watched a year ago, you know,
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Speaker 2: just I look at names in the summer. You know,
10:17
Speaker 2: it's what I'm doing now. I'm watching some guys will
10:19
Speaker 2: be in next year's draft. So I saw a lot
10:21
Speaker 2: of snaps of Rivers in twenty twenty three, and then
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Speaker 2: of course I did them a lot this year. I
10:26
Speaker 2: really liked Rivers. You know, he played both left guard
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Speaker 2: and left tackle. He's got extensive experience playing both. My senses,
10:35
Speaker 2: you know, you tell me you're there. My senses, he'll
10:37
Speaker 2: probably be seen as a guard. Is that the way
10:39
Speaker 2: it's playing out.
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Speaker 1: They're starting them out at tackle.
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Speaker 2: Interesting and you know, and it's interesting you say that
10:45
Speaker 2: because his arm length is thirty five inches and he
10:48
Speaker 2: has a tremendous wingspan. So and he's six' five three
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Speaker 2: quarters and three nineteen so he's got everything you want
10:55
Speaker 2: size wise for a. TACKLE i think he can be a,
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Speaker 2: tackle but you, KNOW i thought that he could be
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Speaker 2: a really good. Guard so, again we'll see how it plays.
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Speaker 2: Out but you, know there's not a lot of tackles
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Speaker 2: that come out in the draft with thirty five inch,
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Speaker 2: arms so he has what it. Takes AND i really
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Speaker 2: liked his. TAPE i saw a lot of snaps of
11:15
Speaker 2: him over a two year, period you, know and to, Me,
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Speaker 2: dan he was just one of those guys that was
11:20
Speaker 2: just a really solid. Player like if he plays the
11:24
Speaker 2: same way in THE nfl that he played At, miami
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Speaker 2: he's the. Guy to, me you just line him up
11:29
Speaker 2: and you feel. Comfortable he may not be An All,
11:31
Speaker 2: pro he may, not you, know but you just feel,
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Speaker 2: like you know What we're. Okay rivers is out, There
11:36
Speaker 2: he's gonna do his.
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Speaker 1: Job because of his. Versatility At, MIAMI i think they
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Speaker 1: look at him as a great candidate to be a swing,
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Speaker 1: tackle a guy that can play. Guard so at least for,
11:48
Speaker 1: now he's been getting most of his repsit, tackle but
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Speaker 1: obviously that can change as we get closer to the.
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Speaker 1: Season as For Dylan, fairchild he's currently projected to start
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Speaker 1: at left. Guard would he be an upgrade From Cordell,
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Speaker 1: vohlson particularly in pass.
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Speaker 3: Pro.
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Speaker 2: YEAH i went back and forth on. Him there were
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Speaker 2: TIMES i thought he was. GOOD i MEAN i even
12:12
Speaker 2: said that in my transition he was a mixed. WATCH
12:14
Speaker 2: i thought there was some good and some not so.
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Speaker 2: Good AS i thought about his projection to the. League you,
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Speaker 2: know you watch a guy play At george, obviously and
12:23
Speaker 2: they run the, ball you, KNOW nfl run. Game he passed,
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Speaker 2: protected so he had a lot of, snaps AND i
12:29
Speaker 2: saw a lot of, snaps AND i thought he had
12:31
Speaker 2: some really good snapshots both as a run blocker and pass.
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Speaker 2: Protector BUT i thought the thing that stood out to,
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Speaker 2: Me and Again i'm certainly not an a line. Coach you,
12:41
Speaker 2: know the THING i always try to figure out WHEN
12:43
Speaker 2: i watch olignemen AND i try to get the answer
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Speaker 2: from all line coaches as well guys AS i, know
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Speaker 2: BUT i still feel LIKE i struggle sometimes IS i
12:53
Speaker 2: never know what AN o line coach you'll tell, me
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Speaker 2: OH i can fix that in two, weeks OR i
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Speaker 2: can't fix, that you. Know SO i SO i thought
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Speaker 2: he had balance and body control issues too often for.
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Speaker 2: Me you, Know i'm not an a, guru BUT i
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Speaker 2: think that that needs to be corrected BECAUSE i thought
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Speaker 2: that he got you, know his body over his feet too.
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Speaker 2: Often his upper. BODY i thought they were you, know
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Speaker 2: just some. Missionies and and he was a third round,
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Speaker 2: pick so that's not a throwaway. Pick a third round
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Speaker 2: pick for an offensive guard is a guy you think
13:22
Speaker 2: is going to be a. Starter, so as you, said
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Speaker 2: they haven't penciled in that way right. NOW i did
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Speaker 2: feel that he had strong traits to develop into a,
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Speaker 2: starter and THEN i said that that whether that occurs
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Speaker 2: will be a function of coaching and. Commitment and you
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Speaker 2: know That i'm not, there SO i don't know how
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Speaker 2: all that's going to. Work AND i certainly don't Know Dylan.
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Speaker 2: Fairchild but there's a lot of there's a lot of good,
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Speaker 2: snapshots BUT i just thought the balance and body control
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Speaker 2: that needs to be cleaned.
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Speaker 3: Up.
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Speaker 1: Well as we, said he is penciled in for. Now
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Speaker 1: so a lot can change between now and the start
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Speaker 1: of the season In, cleveland but at least for, Now
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Speaker 1: Scott peters thinks that he's a guy that can start
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Speaker 1: at left. Guard The bengals final draft pick was running
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Speaker 1: Back Taj. Brooks what does he add to a running
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Speaker 1: back room that Includes Chase brown and some A Jp Ryn.
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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting because you know, WHAT i really Like Chase.
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Speaker 2: BROWN i mean you probably do, too you. KNOW i
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Speaker 2: Think Chase brown is a really good, player you, know
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Speaker 2: AND i think because you, know A burrow And chase And.
14:27
Speaker 2: Higgins you, know you don't really think a whole lot
14:30
Speaker 2: About Chase, brown BUT i think you would agree that
14:33
Speaker 2: he had a really good year last, year you, know
14:35
Speaker 2: for how he was deployed and what he was asked to.
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Speaker 2: Do you, KNOW i, mean obviously they're not using him
14:40
Speaker 2: where they want. To they give him the, ball you,
14:42
Speaker 2: know to Be Derrick, henry you, know that's not what he.
14:46
Speaker 2: Is but the thing About brooks and it'll be. Interesting
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Speaker 2: he's got a lot of wear and. Tear he's had
14:51
Speaker 2: over nine hundred carries in five years in. COLLEGE i
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Speaker 2: think he's he knows how to. Run you, know he's
14:57
Speaker 2: got good. Size he's not a, burner BUT i think
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Speaker 2: he knows how to. Run he's, patient he knows how
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Speaker 2: to press the. Hole he knows how to set up
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Speaker 2: second level, defenders which is SOMETHING i really look for with,
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Speaker 2: backs with their path because obviously the way backs are
15:12
Speaker 2: often taught in you know, this the first two steps
15:16
Speaker 2: backs have to they have a path that's that's dictated
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Speaker 2: by what the run. Is and then at that point
15:21
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's three, steps depending on the coach and
15:24
Speaker 2: how it's. Coached but then it's, okay what happens? Next
15:27
Speaker 2: then it's it's more what he, sees how he. REACTS
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Speaker 2: i think he can change. DIRECTION i think he showed
15:33
Speaker 2: some jump cut. Ability you. KNOW i think he's a solid.
15:37
Speaker 2: Back he's just he's a big. Back so the question,
15:41
Speaker 2: is Because Chase brown is not a small back, either
15:43
Speaker 2: is where does he fit? In you, know he's not
15:45
Speaker 2: going to beat Out Chase, Brown so the question is
15:48
Speaker 2: is does he get some snaps in place Of Chase
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Speaker 2: brown because he's certainly not going to be your third down.
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Speaker 1: Back that's P, Ryan, yeah that's P.
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Speaker 2: Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Yep The bengals did not draft defensive, tackle but they
16:02
Speaker 1: signed to as undrafted free. Agents that you did detailed
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Speaker 1: evaluations Of Eric gregory out Of arkansas And Howard cross
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Speaker 1: out Of Notre. Dame described those two.
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Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah gregory was a GUY i kind of, liked
16:15
Speaker 2: to be honest with. YOU i, MEAN i Thought, gregory you,
16:19
Speaker 2: know BECAUSE i watched a lot Of, arkansas BECAUSE i
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Speaker 2: watched a lot Of land And, jackson and So gregory has,
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Speaker 2: said you know, What i'm gonna watch him. Too he's
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Speaker 2: he's a run stuffer. Guy you, Know he's another one
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Speaker 2: of those guys that's a run. Stuffer that's the strength
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Speaker 2: of his. Game you, know HE'S i would say he's
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Speaker 2: and he developed into a pass rusher at times, maybe
16:41
Speaker 2: but he's you, know he's got a desirable combination of
16:43
Speaker 2: point of attack, strength he's got quickness to take on
16:46
Speaker 2: and defeat double. Teams but you, know it's funny you,
16:49
Speaker 2: mentioned you, know sort of what they. Did the player
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Speaker 2: THAT i, thought in some ways is is really. Interesting
16:57
Speaker 2: And i'm really curious Is slayton who they, signed Because
17:04
Speaker 2: slayton is a, really really good run defender AND i
17:08
Speaker 2: liked him a, lot so to, me that was a
17:10
Speaker 2: really really important signing for. Them, so you, know we
17:13
Speaker 2: talked about this the last TIME i spoke to you
17:16
Speaker 2: and we did this and we talked ABOUT i had
17:18
Speaker 2: mentioned the fact THAT i thought that their d tackles
17:22
Speaker 2: were not you, know run guys or passed or you,
17:24
Speaker 2: know that they needed work, there and they obviously felt
17:26
Speaker 2: the same. Way but, uh you, Know Cross cross is
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Speaker 2: a smaller. Guy i'm always a little leery of those
17:34
Speaker 2: guys because he's not super. Explosive you, Know he's not
17:38
Speaker 2: one of those guys that you go, wow you, Know
17:40
Speaker 2: it's not like you're looking At Grady. Jarrett you know
17:43
Speaker 2: those kinds of. Guys you, know some guys are just
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Speaker 2: super explosive and you live with the fact that they're.
17:47
Speaker 2: Smaller you, Know i'm not going to compare anyone To Aaron, donald,
17:50
Speaker 2: obviously but you, know smaller guys have to be. Explosive
17:54
Speaker 2: AND i think the reason cross despite a really nice college,
17:57
Speaker 2: career A Notre dame and you, know to talk going
18:00
Speaker 2: into his last year that he'd, be you, know a
18:03
Speaker 2: higher draftable. Player it just you, know the traits, eventually
18:07
Speaker 2: just don't, say, hey draftaball and you know He's he's
18:11
Speaker 2: one of those. Guys he's a long.
18:12
Speaker 1: Shot to, me we are visiting with a Great greg Co.
18:16
Speaker 1: Cell we now have five years OF nfl tape Of Joe.
18:19
Speaker 1: Burrow he's got the best completion percentage IN nfl, history
18:24
Speaker 1: nearly sixty nine. Percent his career passer rating is better
18:27
Speaker 1: than one oh. One you've studied quarterbacks for more than forty.
18:31
Speaker 1: Years are there areas where you already Consider Joe burrow
18:36
Speaker 1: to be an all time?
18:37
Speaker 2: Great all time? Great is that's that's you, know that's
18:42
Speaker 2: a big. Term, LOOK i Love Joe. BURROW i, mean it's.
18:46
Speaker 2: FUNNY i had my intern last year was a quarterback in.
18:50
Speaker 2: College he's now working in the, league you, know which
18:52
Speaker 2: is great for, Him and he was a quarterback and
18:55
Speaker 2: we used to Talk borrow all the time because he,
18:57
Speaker 2: was you, know a, quarterback and you just we love Talking.
19:00
Speaker 2: BURROW i, mean there's nothing not to love when you
19:02
Speaker 2: talk About Joe, burrow just the way he. Plays you,
19:05
Speaker 2: Know burrow is one of those guys that when you
19:08
Speaker 2: watch him play and you would know, this you're. There i'm,
19:10
Speaker 2: not AND i certainly don't Know Joe, burrow but he
19:13
Speaker 2: just seems like he's so aware of everything going, on
19:18
Speaker 2: like it's innate to. Him it's just in HIS, dna you,
19:21
Speaker 2: know Because i've talked to coaches over the years who
19:24
Speaker 2: always say offensive coaches that it really takes at least
19:27
Speaker 2: three years for a quarterback to understand all the details
19:32
Speaker 2: of his offense and then all the details of all
19:35
Speaker 2: the defenses he plays. AGAINST i just get the sense
19:39
Speaker 2: Watching burrow that that's just innate to, him that he
19:43
Speaker 2: just gets. That you, know, guys a lot of guys
19:46
Speaker 2: never learn, that you, know they coaches teach, it but
19:49
Speaker 2: some guys you, know in some ways you do. BASKETBALL
19:51
Speaker 2: i know you do The university Of cincinnati. Basketball it's
19:54
Speaker 2: like a point. Guard you, know you can sit with an,
19:57
Speaker 2: iPad you can watch film all day. Long some guys
20:01
Speaker 2: see the floor and some guys. Don't you can't teach
20:04
Speaker 2: a guy to Be Jason. Kidd you, know some guys
20:06
Speaker 2: see the, floor some guys. Don't when you agree with
20:08
Speaker 2: that based.
20:09
Speaker 1: On, yeah point guards, absolutely.
20:13
Speaker 2: And a quarterback in many. Ways as a point, guard
20:16
Speaker 2: you know is you know you call no one calls
20:20
Speaker 2: a play with the idea of drop back and run.
20:22
Speaker 2: Around they call a play with the idea that whether
20:25
Speaker 2: it's three, step five, step seventh, step that you're gonna
20:28
Speaker 2: hit that step and you're gonna be able to throw
20:30
Speaker 2: the ball to. Someone it may not be the primary
20:33
Speaker 2: although in an ideal world that's what you, like that's
20:36
Speaker 2: what you, want but you're gonna throw the ball to,
20:38
Speaker 2: someone so, you're you, know at its, core the way
20:41
Speaker 2: the quarterback position is taught as you're a, distributor you're
20:44
Speaker 2: not a. Playmaker the playmaker is sort of the added
20:47
Speaker 2: element that the league kind of demands more than ever
20:50
Speaker 2: because of the way defenses have, evolved but the way
20:53
Speaker 2: the position is still taught is you're a distributor and.
20:57
Speaker 2: Borrowed to, me just seems like he has such an
21:01
Speaker 2: innate feel for where to go with the, football you,
21:05
Speaker 2: know and and if and if the play doesn't, work
21:08
Speaker 2: he has an immediate feel, for, Hey i'm gonna. Move
21:11
Speaker 2: but he just. Knows AND i don't know if you
21:14
Speaker 2: CAN i, mean obviously he's, coached you, know BUT i
21:17
Speaker 2: don't know if you can coach that kind of a
21:19
Speaker 2: vision and. Clarity he just plays the game with so much,
21:23
Speaker 2: clarity would you, AGREE.
21:25
Speaker 1: I, mean pre, snap post, snap middle of the, play
21:28
Speaker 1: all of. It that the spatial. Awarenessess, yeah it's. Uncanny you.
21:35
Speaker 2: KNOW i have this conversation With Kurt warner so many.
21:37
Speaker 2: Times Kurt warner is not a big fan of pure,
21:40
Speaker 2: progression Which i'll give a one sense explanation and that
21:44
Speaker 2: it's very. Simple it's the way it's taught, now beginning
21:47
Speaker 2: at a young age with quarterbacks is they're basically taught
21:50
Speaker 2: that here's the route. Concept you throw it to the
21:52
Speaker 2: to the. Primary if he's not, open you throw it
21:54
Speaker 2: to the next. Guy if he's not, open you throw
21:57
Speaker 2: it to the next. Guy the defense doesn't. Matter AND
22:00
Speaker 2: i think that's fine all through. COLLEGE i don't think
22:03
Speaker 2: that's fine in THE. Nfl And kurt AND i talk
22:06
Speaker 2: about this all the time because he can't stand. That he,
22:08
Speaker 2: says how can you play quarterback in THE nfl without
22:11
Speaker 2: truly understanding what the defense? Is and you, know my
22:14
Speaker 2: guess Is burrow really knows defenses that are really really
22:17
Speaker 2: high level and in his study for any given, opponent
22:20
Speaker 2: that he really understands what he's facing that given week
22:24
Speaker 2: and how it impacts how he has to. Play but
22:27
Speaker 2: he's just you, know he's such a fun. WATCH i,
22:30
Speaker 2: mean you, know LIKE i, said, YEAH i love Watching Josh.
22:33
Speaker 2: Allen who does? It you, KNOW i, mean come, on
22:36
Speaker 2: but you, know just the Way burrow and by the
22:38
Speaker 2: Way alan has gotten so much better in that, regard
22:40
Speaker 2: by the WAY i Think Joe brady's done a great
22:42
Speaker 2: job with.
22:42
Speaker 1: Him but.
22:45
Speaker 2: You, KNOW i just you, know the plays that no
22:47
Speaker 2: one ever sees as a, highlight but WHICH i see
22:49
Speaker 2: Because i've been Watching tate now for more than thirty,
22:51
Speaker 2: years you, know and the plays that are so important in.
22:54
Speaker 2: Games and you know, This dan is when it's third and,
22:56
Speaker 2: seven you complete a ball for nine. Yards those are
22:59
Speaker 2: the plays that you, Know Troy aikman was a master
23:02
Speaker 2: at that with Jovichik those are never plays you see
23:05
Speaker 2: on a highlight because they don't seem like they're, important
23:08
Speaker 2: but they're really. Important you. Know those are the plays
23:11
Speaker 2: that matter in.
23:12
Speaker 1: Games And Joe burrow has executed those plays as well
23:15
Speaker 1: as anybody in the league during HIS nfl. Career let's
23:19
Speaker 1: talk about the guy that he throws to most, Frequently Jamar.
23:22
Speaker 1: Chase coming off incredible year where he led THE nfl
23:25
Speaker 1: and catches yards and. Touchdowns how does he get? Open
23:29
Speaker 1: how do The bengals get him open when every defense
23:32
Speaker 1: they face is designed to try to shut him.
23:35
Speaker 2: Down that becomes a function of a couple of. Things
23:37
Speaker 2: and believe, me there are, times and you know, this
23:39
Speaker 2: you know where teams clearly and situationally will double. Him
23:44
Speaker 2: there's no question that that does. Occur and by the,
23:46
Speaker 2: way there's been times he's beat double teams, too which
23:49
Speaker 2: make you know is one of the reasons he's so.
23:50
Speaker 2: Great BUT i think what you get into AND i
23:53
Speaker 2: don't have a breakdown in front of me because you,
23:55
Speaker 2: know you AND i are just kind of talking. BALL
23:57
Speaker 2: i didn't know what you were going to talk to me.
23:58
Speaker 2: About BUT i think they do a really really good.
24:03
Speaker 2: Job and you have to do this now in the
24:05
Speaker 2: league with formation, variation, Movement chase does not just line
24:09
Speaker 2: up in one. Spot he's not just the BOUNDARY, x
24:12
Speaker 2: even though he can line up. There he's not just
24:15
Speaker 2: this or just. That he lines up all over the.
24:17
Speaker 2: Formation they'll he'll go in motion at. TIMES i, mean you,
24:21
Speaker 2: know you're trying to dictate to the defense that, hey
24:25
Speaker 2: if they want to double, him then you're going to
24:27
Speaker 2: have to make them adjust just before the snap of
24:30
Speaker 2: the ball and or just or line up in a
24:34
Speaker 2: way that maybe they are not really comfortable, playing because
24:38
Speaker 2: If chase is in a certain, spot well now we
24:41
Speaker 2: may be a little uncomfortable with who we have playing T,
24:43
Speaker 2: higgins you. Know so it's you, know fans always, say,
24:47
Speaker 2: well just double them on every. Play, well you AND
24:50
Speaker 2: i both know the game doesn't quite work like. That
24:52
Speaker 2: offenses know those things, too so they do a lot
24:55
Speaker 2: of different. Things BUT i remember When chase came out
24:59
Speaker 2: and he didn't play as last year in college as
25:00
Speaker 2: many might, remember BECAUSE i believe that was THE covid,
25:03
Speaker 2: year serves me, Correctly BUT i remember watching all his
25:07
Speaker 2: tape the year prior when you, know which is twenty
25:09
Speaker 2: nineteen when they won The national championship When borrow was the,
25:12
Speaker 2: quarterback AND i remember the player and he's, bigger but
25:16
Speaker 2: the player that he reminded me. Of AND i don't
25:20
Speaker 2: Think i've said this in, years Because chase is his own,
25:22
Speaker 2: guy and to, Me chase And jefferson are the two
25:24
Speaker 2: best receivers in. Football he reminded me of a Bigger Steve.
25:30
Speaker 2: Smith does that make any sense to?
25:31
Speaker 1: You in some? WAYS i, mean competitiveness when the ball
25:36
Speaker 1: is in the, air one of those two guys is
25:38
Speaker 1: going to come down with. It great after the, catch.
25:42
Speaker 2: Explosive great after the, catch can be a little, nasty
25:45
Speaker 2: you know at. Times, YEAH i MEAN i just that's
25:48
Speaker 2: the guy that jumped out to me WHEN i watched
25:50
Speaker 2: his college, tape and nothing in THE nfl has changed
25:53
Speaker 2: my view of. That you, know that's kind of you,
25:56
Speaker 2: Know HE'S i just think he's absolutely. Terrific he's so.
26:00
Speaker 2: EXPLOSIVE i think he's a really good route runner. TOO
26:02
Speaker 2: i think that's probably overlooked because he's so explosive and
26:06
Speaker 2: just a body. TYPE i, mean he, is he is
26:08
Speaker 2: just so solidly. Built so AS i, SAID i look
26:11
Speaker 2: At Jason jefferson as the two best receivers in the.
26:13
Speaker 1: League all, right a few more questions For Greg cosel
26:16
Speaker 1: from ESPN's Matchup show AND nfl. Films let's talk defense
26:21
Speaker 1: a little. Bit El bolden comes From Notre dame to
26:24
Speaker 1: become the defensive. Coordinator his defense last year was fourth
26:27
Speaker 1: and points allowed number one in. Takeaways i'm sure you
26:31
Speaker 1: saw a lot Of Notre dame's defense as you study
26:34
Speaker 1: their players for the. Draft did anything stand out about
26:37
Speaker 1: his defense as a?
26:39
Speaker 2: Whole you, Know it's, FUNNY i didn't study you, Know
26:42
Speaker 2: i'm usually looking at. Players you, KNOW i guess the
26:45
Speaker 2: thing That i'm very curious, about and you know you're,
26:50
Speaker 2: there so you may have a. Sense i'm curious to
26:53
Speaker 2: see if there's going to be you, know more. Crusher you,
26:57
Speaker 2: KNOW i never viewed The bengals as kind of a
26:59
Speaker 2: pressure sure. Defense you, know they weren't. TIMES i, mean
27:03
Speaker 2: everybody is at, times but you know a lot of
27:06
Speaker 2: times when it comes to, pressure you have to feel
27:08
Speaker 2: good about your. Corners you, Know Notre, dame, ACTUALLY i
27:12
Speaker 2: Mean Marson Benjamin morrison got, hurt but they had memory
27:16
Speaker 2: serves me. Correctly they had a freshman corner who was,
27:19
Speaker 2: really really. Good it's probably going to be a top
27:21
Speaker 2: pick in a couple of. Years but and of course
27:24
Speaker 2: they had the safety In, watts whose the third round
27:27
Speaker 2: pick OF i Guess. Atlanta They atlanta, right so that
27:32
Speaker 2: they had really they had a really good back. End
27:35
Speaker 2: but you, KNOW i guess if the season were to
27:39
Speaker 2: start tomorrow on the, outside would we be looking At
27:42
Speaker 2: turner and Tailor.
27:43
Speaker 1: Britt, probably although With Dax hill he was so successful
27:49
Speaker 1: as an outside corner last. Year, yeah there's some thought
27:52
Speaker 1: that he moves to the slot because he played a
27:55
Speaker 1: lot of that in. College on the other, hand it's
27:58
Speaker 1: so hard to find good out outside. Corners, yeah and
28:01
Speaker 1: he was their. Best do you leave him out there
28:05
Speaker 1: and then figure out the slot Between Josh, newton who
28:09
Speaker 1: was a rookie last, year Maybe Jalen davis who's been
28:12
Speaker 1: good as a. BACKUP i think that's that's going to
28:15
Speaker 1: be a resolve during training.
28:17
Speaker 2: Camp, yeah AND i think that's a big question Because Dax.
28:21
Speaker 2: HILL i, thought what week did he get hurt last?
28:24
Speaker 1: Year it was The baltimore. GAME i think it Was week.
28:27
Speaker 1: Five If i've GOT i, THOUGHT i.
28:30
Speaker 2: Thought he played really well at outside, corner AND i
28:33
Speaker 2: think he's got the traits to be you, know it's
28:35
Speaker 2: FUNNY i said that in my notes WHEN i did
28:39
Speaker 2: him coming, out, because as you, know when he was In,
28:41
Speaker 2: michigan he played. Safety he played safety in their base
28:46
Speaker 2: and he played slot in their sub packages At Notre
28:50
Speaker 2: dame excuse, me At, michigan and he was really good at.
28:53
Speaker 2: Both and obviously he was drafted as a safety because
28:55
Speaker 2: that was in a sense primary. Position BUT i made
28:58
Speaker 2: a note AS i watched, HIM i, Said, god with
29:01
Speaker 2: his traits and his side THAT i thought he could
29:03
Speaker 2: play outside corner in the. League and you, know we
29:06
Speaker 2: you AND i have had this conversation a couple of,
29:08
Speaker 2: times and obviously they made the. Move AND i think
29:11
Speaker 2: you got to start at outside, Corner, like if you
29:13
Speaker 2: feel he's one of your two best outside, corners to,
29:16
Speaker 2: me he's got to go. There i'm not saying slot's not.
29:19
Speaker 2: Important it's become obviously an increasingly important position in the.
29:22
Speaker 2: League BUT i think you got to start on the,
29:24
Speaker 2: outside and if he's one of your two, best he's
29:27
Speaker 2: got to that's where he's got to.
29:28
Speaker 1: Play he was their best last, year and again there
29:32
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of, games But i'm inclined to. AGREE
29:36
Speaker 1: i think if he's your best outside corner with a
29:39
Speaker 1: position of that, importance at least that's where you. Begin
29:43
Speaker 1: and then IF dj And Cam taylor Brit are having great,
29:47
Speaker 1: camps maybe you. Reconsider BUT i think as well as
29:50
Speaker 1: he played it last, year that's where you start him
29:53
Speaker 1: and you go from.
29:53
Speaker 2: There, well the interesting thing to me, is you, know
29:57
Speaker 2: look the way drafts work, out you never, know it's
29:59
Speaker 2: always easy FOR i went to say they should have drafted,
30:01
Speaker 2: this or they should have drafted. That you, know you
30:02
Speaker 2: know how drafts work. OUT i never do that because
30:05
Speaker 2: there's so many. Factors i'm not in draft, rooms you,
30:08
Speaker 2: KNOW i. Don't you, know there's just too many variables
30:10
Speaker 2: to start saying things about how you know what teams.
30:13
Speaker 2: Do but obviously it's essentially the same group on the
30:17
Speaker 2: back end as it was a year. Ago so since
30:20
Speaker 2: they did not make a, move they must feel pretty.
30:23
Speaker 2: Comfortable these players are still, young you, know and they're
30:26
Speaker 2: with them every. Day you, Know i'm. Not you're you,
30:29
Speaker 2: know you're around, it so you you, know you know
30:30
Speaker 2: more THAN i. Do BUT i Mean turner was a
30:33
Speaker 2: second round. Pick battle was a you, know third round.
30:36
Speaker 2: Pick Taylor britt was a second round. PICK i know
30:38
Speaker 2: he had his ups and downs last. YEAR i Thought
30:42
Speaker 2: Josh newton was probably more, worthy you, know could have
30:45
Speaker 2: been drafted higher than a fifth round. Pick BUT i
30:47
Speaker 2: thought playing both snaps in the slot and outside last,
30:50
Speaker 2: year he quitted himself. Reasonably well when you, agree totally,
30:53
Speaker 2: agree you. Know so they you, know they obviously feel that,
30:58
Speaker 2: hey morek you, know knew some new, coaches you, know
31:01
Speaker 2: a little bit of a new system that, hey these
31:04
Speaker 2: guys can line up and play because you. Can't. Look
31:08
Speaker 2: you AND i both know you can't go into AN
31:11
Speaker 2: nfl season feeling like you're not good at. Corner that's
31:14
Speaker 2: just too much of a. Hindrance so they obviously believe
31:18
Speaker 2: some combination Of, Turner, Newton Taylor britt And hill on the,
31:23
Speaker 2: outside some combination of that is going to get the job.
31:26
Speaker 1: Done so you listed several of the guys that they've
31:31
Speaker 1: used high draft picks on on defense in recent. Years
31:35
Speaker 1: let me hit you with a couple other, names guys
31:37
Speaker 1: that are expected to play much more significant roles this.
31:40
Speaker 1: Year Miles murphy And Chris. Jenkins what do you think
31:44
Speaker 1: of those two as they step into or at least
31:48
Speaker 1: we figure step, into more prominent.
31:49
Speaker 2: Roles murphy is in some ways a carbon, copy although
31:54
Speaker 2: not quite as, freaky but he's somewhat of a carbon
31:58
Speaker 2: copy Of Shamar. Stewart you watched, him you, know look at,
32:01
Speaker 2: him and you, know you know you see. Him this
32:03
Speaker 2: guy looks like he should be a really good. PLAYER i,
32:06
Speaker 2: mean he's, big he's, long he's. Athletic everything About Miles
32:11
Speaker 2: murphy says this guy should be able to be a
32:13
Speaker 2: good D. N i can't tell you why it hasn't happened,
32:16
Speaker 2: yet you, KNOW i certainly don't know, him but you're.
32:20
Speaker 2: RIGHT i, mean, look let's assume The hendricksons thing works.
32:23
Speaker 2: OUT i, mean he's you know how stuff gets said In,
32:26
Speaker 2: may AND i you, know if he's not, traded he's
32:29
Speaker 2: not going to sit out the whole season that that
32:32
Speaker 2: just doesn't, happen you, know so and when it does,
32:35
Speaker 2: happen guys ruined their careers and HE'S i don't think
32:37
Speaker 2: he's gonna do that, personally but you, KNOW i don't
32:40
Speaker 2: know Trade, Hendrickson but let's assume he's back so now
32:43
Speaker 2: they're still looking for that other age. Player you, know
32:46
Speaker 2: they have a sigh who hasn't quite been the. Guy you,
32:49
Speaker 2: Know murphy was drafted. To, REALLY i, mean he's the
32:51
Speaker 2: first round, pick as you, know and he looks the.
32:54
Speaker 2: Part so it's in an ideal world they would love
32:57
Speaker 2: it to Be stewart Or. MURPHY i, mean that's the bottom,
32:59
Speaker 2: line you know. That you, Know Chris, jenkins to, ME
33:03
Speaker 2: i think he's a solid. Player you, know he's a
33:05
Speaker 2: second round. PICK i don't think he'll ever be a,
33:08
Speaker 2: stud BUT i think he could be a, nice solid rotational. Player,
33:11
Speaker 2: look they SIGNED. Tj. Slayton that tells you a lot right.
33:15
Speaker 2: There you, KNOW i think they SIGNED. Tj slayton to
33:17
Speaker 2: start a detackle on their base. Defense, correct they didn't sign.
33:20
Speaker 2: Him they didn't sign him to be a. Backup they
33:23
Speaker 2: signed him to be a. Starter and then because they
33:25
Speaker 2: still HAVE Bj, hill who's quietly a very nice player
33:28
Speaker 2: as a base defensive, tackle that Means Chris jenkins is
33:31
Speaker 2: not going to play in the base. DEFENSE i, mean
33:33
Speaker 2: he might get snaps, rotationally but he's not going to
33:36
Speaker 2: be one of the main guys in your base. Defense
33:38
Speaker 2: so they obviously don't see him yet as that, guy.
33:42
Speaker 1: But they do want to rotate, guys And i'm sure
33:45
Speaker 1: he will get playing with snaps this. Year plus he
33:47
Speaker 1: played last year with a broken. Thumb hopefully with two healthy,
33:50
Speaker 1: hands he'll be more effective this. Year final question For Great.
33:54
Speaker 1: COSEEL i really appreciate all of your. Time The bengals
33:57
Speaker 1: are four years removed from Their Super bowl. Appearing it's
34:00
Speaker 1: their three years removed from their last trip to THE
34:02
Speaker 1: Afc Championship. Game where are The bengals right now in your?
34:07
Speaker 1: Mind still a top? Contender are they at a? Crossroads
34:11
Speaker 1: how would you classify The bengals going into year? Six
34:14
Speaker 1: For joe.
34:15
Speaker 2: Burrow, WELL i would answer that by saying that it's
34:18
Speaker 2: all function of their, defense because you, know AGAIN i
34:22
Speaker 2: don't remember the exact stat but weren't there something like
34:26
Speaker 2: five or six or games or four games last year
34:29
Speaker 2: where they scored thirty three or more points and? Loss
34:31
Speaker 2: there was some ridiculous number like. That AM i?
34:34
Speaker 1: Right it was three with thirty three plus and FIVE
34:38
Speaker 1: i believe with thirty.
34:39
Speaker 2: Plus, Yeah so you, KNOW i think we're okay on.
34:43
Speaker 2: OFFENSE i Mean i'm not thinking. SARCASTIC i think we're
34:45
Speaker 2: okay on. Offense you, know the main thing is defense,
34:48
Speaker 2: here and you, know, look there's a lot a lot
34:52
Speaker 2: of the players are the. Same so they made a coaching.
34:55
Speaker 2: Change you, know that happens when you're you, know it's
34:58
Speaker 2: and by the, WAY i don't think little lenarm and
35:00
Speaker 2: you know him as a bad coach by any. Means
35:02
Speaker 2: but you, know we know how the league, works and
35:04
Speaker 2: it didn't Take lou long to get you, know to
35:06
Speaker 2: get taken up by another. Team so you, KNOW i
35:09
Speaker 2: think he's a highly respected. Guy but you, know things
35:11
Speaker 2: do change in the. League so to, me it's a
35:13
Speaker 2: function of. Defense so they have to be the best
35:15
Speaker 2: defense in the. League, no but no matter how good
35:18
Speaker 2: your offense, is every once in a, while you got
35:20
Speaker 2: to win a game twenty. Seventeen that's just the nature
35:22
Speaker 2: of the. League and to me it speaks to even
35:28
Speaker 2: how much Greater borrow is than we spoke about the
35:30
Speaker 2: fact that he probably feels like he has to score
35:33
Speaker 2: thirty five every week just to. Compete and that's a
35:37
Speaker 2: hard road to hoe every single, week even for someone
35:41
Speaker 2: Like Joe, burrow you, know who's pretty much unflappable about.
35:44
Speaker 2: It but to, me it all comes down to the.
35:46
Speaker 2: Defense you, know they're going to have to be able
35:48
Speaker 2: to stop, people and they cannot give up these big.
35:51
Speaker 2: Plays that's the, killer you, know every you, KNOW i,
35:54
Speaker 2: WAS i was down In tennessee doing a live podcast
35:56
Speaker 2: AND i got a chance to spend time With Ryan
35:58
Speaker 2: callahan and all they and you Know brian, well and,
36:01
Speaker 2: actually you, KNOW i got to know him well and
36:03
Speaker 2: we've connected and he's just a terrific, guy as you.
36:06
Speaker 2: Know and all they talk about is exposed to plays
36:10
Speaker 2: on both sides of the, ball you. Know you know
36:12
Speaker 2: that that's the way coaches, talk and you know there's
36:14
Speaker 2: just too many exposive plays on. Defense you can't live like.
36:17
Speaker 3: That.
36:18
Speaker 1: GREG i love talking to. You my audience loves hearing from.
36:22
Speaker 1: YOU i took a lot of your time AND i
36:24
Speaker 1: really appreciate. IT i PROMISE i will not bother you
36:27
Speaker 1: again until some point during the. Season it's.
36:29
Speaker 2: FINE i love talking with. You we're just talking. Ball you,
36:32
Speaker 2: Know it's this is WHAT i. Do it's the off.
36:34
Speaker 2: Season It's. May i'm Sitting i'm watching. TAPE i, mean
36:36
Speaker 2: is WHAT i? Do you, Know it's just the nice
36:39
Speaker 2: thing for me right, now IS i don't have a,
36:41
Speaker 2: deadline So i'm just sitting if it takes me a
36:43
Speaker 2: little longer to watch, something OR i feel like taking
36:45
Speaker 2: a ten minute. Break it's not, like oh my, GOD
36:47
Speaker 2: i got to get this, done you know, so which
36:49
Speaker 2: is the WAY i feel during the, season either the.
36:52
Speaker 1: Way if you would like to read everything That greg
36:55
Speaker 1: wrote about this year's draft, prospects do a quick search
36:58
Speaker 1: For greg coll tape. Notebook you can purchase all one
37:03
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six scouting reports for nine to ninety.
37:06
Speaker 1: Nine before getting to my next, guest here's a quick
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Speaker 1: Bengals now time to move on to another edition of
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Speaker 1: Five questions with A bengals rookie as we spend a
37:37
Speaker 1: few minutes with a player that you could run into
37:41
Speaker 1: At King's island. Someday time for Five questions with fourth
37:45
Speaker 1: round draft Pick Barrett carter out Of. Clemson question number,
37:49
Speaker 1: One when you were in high, school you are named
37:52
Speaker 1: the national defensive player of the. Year is there a big?
37:57
Speaker 1: Banquet do you get a great? Trophy what other rewards
38:00
Speaker 1: for being the national defensive player of the year in high?
38:03
Speaker 4: SCHOOL i got A i got a little. TROPHY i
38:08
Speaker 4: think that was. It but other than, THAT i MEAN i, think,
38:12
Speaker 4: Yeah i'm pretty sure that was. It just just a little.
38:14
Speaker 3: Trophy it's a little.
38:15
Speaker 1: One it's not Like heisman.
38:17
Speaker 4: Size it's Not heisman. Size it's probably probably definitely a
38:20
Speaker 4: little smaller than. That but, uh something That i'll keep
38:23
Speaker 4: for the rest of my. Life for.
38:24
Speaker 1: Sure it was quite an, honor so that part of
38:26
Speaker 1: it was. Great question number two For Barred. CARTER i
38:29
Speaker 1: read a scouting report before the draft that, said, quote
38:32
Speaker 1: he closes on the ball like a ravenous, predator which
38:36
Speaker 1: is a very nice. Compliment but my question regards the
38:40
Speaker 1: flip side of. That was something written or said before
38:43
Speaker 1: the draft that got under your.
38:46
Speaker 4: Skin, NO i, mean at the end of the, DAY
38:49
Speaker 4: i didn't REALLY i didn't read into any of. IT i,
38:52
Speaker 4: MEAN i like to stay inside out with, everything you,
38:54
Speaker 4: Know i'm not trying to please anybody, else but but
38:58
Speaker 4: but but myself and my teammates and my. Team you
39:01
Speaker 4: know that's in this. Organization so nothing THAT i didn't
39:05
Speaker 4: read it into any of. THAT i JUST i stayed
39:07
Speaker 4: inside out and just focus on WHAT i can.
39:08
Speaker 1: Control smart young. Man question number, three you wore the
39:12
Speaker 1: number zero At. Clemson The bengals have never had a number.
39:17
Speaker 1: Zero did you? Inquire, NO i did.
39:22
Speaker 4: Not Coach taylor texted me saying there was forty nine
39:25
Speaker 4: and fifty nine, available and you, KNOW i was just
39:29
Speaker 4: grateful for this opportunity to be, here SO i wasn't,
39:31
Speaker 4: gonna you, know try to press that. Anything SO i was,
39:33
Speaker 4: like let's go forty, nine And i'm Just i'm ready
39:36
Speaker 4: to make forty nine a new.
39:37
Speaker 1: Number you can wear forty. Nine, well question number. Four
39:40
Speaker 1: you're a linebacker, obviously but you had a rushing touchdown
39:44
Speaker 1: as a running back for at least one play At.
39:46
Speaker 1: Clemson what was the backstory behind getting the opportunity to
39:50
Speaker 1: line up as a running back and score A Tv.
39:52
Speaker 4: So after my junior, year WHEN i decided to come,
39:56
Speaker 4: BACK i Told Coach, sweeney, LIKE i need a rushing,
39:58
Speaker 4: Touchdown LIKE i DON'T i don't care which game it,
40:01
Speaker 4: is how far down the, season how far down the
40:03
Speaker 4: line it. Is i'm, LIKE i gotta get the end.
40:05
Speaker 4: Zone and then our offensive coordinator Coach, Riley i'm, LIKE
40:08
Speaker 4: i was showing my. Highlights ill show them LIKE i
40:10
Speaker 4: used to play running. Back i'm, like just give me
40:12
Speaker 4: one carry And i'm getting the end zone and you
40:14
Speaker 4: know if fortunately we made it. Happen it was senior
40:17
Speaker 4: day against The. Citadel it was actually like a fourth
40:20
Speaker 4: and two at the at the two yard, line SO
40:22
Speaker 4: i had to get. In but JUST i was super
40:25
Speaker 4: blessed to you be able to line up by running.
40:27
Speaker 4: Back we lived in my high school and little league
40:29
Speaker 4: days and you, know getting the end. Zone but you,
40:32
Speaker 4: know now time to put running back to bed and you,
40:34
Speaker 4: know focus fully on.
40:35
Speaker 1: LINEBACKER i watched the. Highlight there was a nice little.
40:38
Speaker 1: SHIMMY i, mean you didn't just run it straight. In
40:41
Speaker 1: there was a little shoulder.
40:42
Speaker 4: DEEK i had, to you, know let my, blockers you,
40:44
Speaker 4: know set up a little bit and you, know be
40:46
Speaker 4: patient a little. Bit but, yeah it was a it
40:47
Speaker 4: was a fun, day all.
40:48
Speaker 1: Right fifth and final question For Barreed. CARTER i read
40:52
Speaker 1: an old story that said you love roller. Coasters So
40:55
Speaker 1: King's island is a little bit north of. Here they've
40:58
Speaker 1: got The, beast The Diamond, Head banshee and. Others are
41:02
Speaker 1: you aware of the proximity Of King's island and do
41:04
Speaker 1: you anticipate going at some?
41:06
Speaker 4: Point i'm not aware of, it but you, KNOW i definitely,
41:09
Speaker 4: will you, know take a trip. There you, know my
41:11
Speaker 4: roller coaster love is you, know started SINCE i was a,
41:14
Speaker 4: kid and you, Know i'm gonna, continue you, know trying
41:16
Speaker 4: to trying to visit all these you, know fun amusement.
41:19
Speaker 4: Parks So i'm definitely gonna check Out King's island and you,
41:21
Speaker 4: know whatever big bad roller coasters they, Have i'm ready
41:24
Speaker 4: to attack, that just LIKE i had running backs In No.
41:26
Speaker 4: Linamas So i'm looking forward to riding that roller coaster
41:30
Speaker 4: and a definitely in the, offseason though not.
41:32
Speaker 2: In not in.
41:33
Speaker 1: Season all, Right bengals, Fans so when you get on
41:36
Speaker 1: The beast and the guy next to you looks like
41:37
Speaker 1: he might be a professional football, player it could Be Barry.
41:41
Speaker 1: Carter appreciate your. Time great to have you In, Cincinnati, no,
41:43
Speaker 1: sir thank you for having. Me, yeah let's go from
41:47
Speaker 1: five questions to five observations after watching The bengals practice
41:51
Speaker 1: and talking to players and coaches On. Tuesday topic number
41:55
Speaker 1: one is the battle at right, guard with Rookie Dylon
41:59
Speaker 1: Fairchild penn as the favorite to start at left. Guard
42:02
Speaker 1: the starter on the other side is expected to come
42:05
Speaker 1: after a training camp battle Between Cody, Ford Lucas, patrick
42:10
Speaker 1: and some other less likely. Candidates last, Week ford lined
42:14
Speaker 1: up with the. Starters this week it Was, patrick AND
42:18
Speaker 1: i spoke to the nine year veteran who has started
42:20
Speaker 1: For Green, Bay, chicago And New orleans after practice going
42:25
Speaker 1: into free, agency how much homework did you do on
42:28
Speaker 1: teams that had a need at?
42:30
Speaker 5: GART i was really up to my. AGENT i let
42:35
Speaker 5: them do the, business and pretty MUCH i handle playing
42:38
Speaker 5: ball so. Much, YEAH i don't played long enough THAT
42:43
Speaker 5: i just kind of let my take you the talk
42:46
Speaker 5: and let him talk to the.
42:47
Speaker 1: Teams this team throws the ball a. Lot according To
42:51
Speaker 1: Pro Football, focus you haven't given up a sack in?
42:53
Speaker 1: Forever is that your? Strength pass?
42:55
Speaker 5: Pro you, know it's if you believe in no, Statistics but,
43:02
Speaker 5: really ALL i care about is wins and losses and
43:04
Speaker 5: competing for. Championships so if that helps the, team, great
43:08
Speaker 5: that's What i'm asked to. Do let's do, it And
43:10
Speaker 5: i'll work on to the best of my. Ability if
43:12
Speaker 5: it's something, Else i'll work on.
43:14
Speaker 1: That so there's gonna be a royal. Rumble it looks
43:17
Speaker 1: like to determine the starter or right. Guard you're running
43:20
Speaker 1: with the ones today for what that's worth at this
43:22
Speaker 1: stage of the, Year but what is your approach you
43:24
Speaker 1: try to win that.
43:25
Speaker 5: JOB i think healthy competition is the best when you
43:28
Speaker 5: have it in the. ROOM i, mean you, know there's
43:31
Speaker 5: a couple of guys who've already been here a while
43:33
Speaker 5: and they've been nothing but open arms to. Me AND
43:36
Speaker 5: i can add any Value i've seen on other teams
43:38
Speaker 5: and try and do. It and, competitions you, know you
43:41
Speaker 5: can look at it in two different. WAYS i like
43:44
Speaker 5: to look at his best man. Wins let's push each
43:46
Speaker 5: other so that, whoever whoever that, is the team's better
43:49
Speaker 5: because of. It AND i think that's the, healthy in my,
43:52
Speaker 5: opinion a healthy.
43:52
Speaker 1: Mindset where are your impressions Of Scott's peter so? Far
43:56
Speaker 1: and is it significantly different from what you've experienced.
43:59
Speaker 5: In, yeah it's pretty, different but it's almost. Detailed i've
44:03
Speaker 5: ever been During OTA's which is. Good really get to
44:06
Speaker 5: hone some new, techniques new, crafts really set the, tone
44:10
Speaker 5: take the fight to d. Lineman so it's. Fun it's
44:13
Speaker 5: enjoyable to build a, toolbox especially as a.
44:16
Speaker 1: Veteran according To Pro Football, Focus patrick is not allowed
44:20
Speaker 1: a sack in eight hundred and sixty three pass blocking
44:24
Speaker 1: snaps over the last two. Seasons topic number two is
44:28
Speaker 1: his offensive line Mate Cordell. Volson as you may have,
44:32
Speaker 1: Read volson agreed to a pay cut recently after a
44:35
Speaker 1: season that he describes as. Disappointing after starting at left
44:39
Speaker 1: guard for the last three, Years volson can play that
44:42
Speaker 1: spot If Dylan fairchild struggles as a, rookie while also
44:46
Speaker 1: competing for the starting spot on the right. Side for
44:49
Speaker 1: what it's, Worth volson mostly played right tackle and right
44:53
Speaker 1: guard At North Dakota. State one reason why he agreed
44:57
Speaker 1: to the pay cut is his desire to work with
45:00
Speaker 1: new offensive line Coach Gott. Peters absolutely, ABSOLUTELY i think you,
45:05
Speaker 1: know he does a really.
45:05
Speaker 6: Good job of of teaching different different strikes and different
45:11
Speaker 6: techniques to combat different. Rushers you, know that, way you're
45:14
Speaker 6: not throwing the same pitch every, time you, Know AND
45:16
Speaker 6: i think that's gonna be beneficial to the whole. ROOM
45:19
Speaker 6: i Think scott allows us to, play LIKE i talked,
45:23
Speaker 6: about you, know play more to our skill. Set you,
45:26
Speaker 6: know he he instills a lot of confidence in. US
45:29
Speaker 6: i think that he he brings a good, Energy like
45:32
Speaker 6: we enjoy talking to, him we enjoy going into meetings with.
45:36
Speaker 6: Him SO i think that that's really. COOL i think.
45:39
Speaker 6: It you, know it definitely makes.
45:41
Speaker 1: Makes my day way more enjoyable for.
45:43
Speaker 6: Sure you, KNOW i really ENJOYS uh Coach Peter, scott
45:48
Speaker 6: so just having the opportunity to continue to learn from.
45:51
Speaker 6: HIM i think he brings a good energy and a
45:54
Speaker 6: lot of technique that fits my play style really. Well
45:58
Speaker 6: just look at his body of, work the things that
46:00
Speaker 6: he's done with the guys In cleveland and the mon
46:04
Speaker 6: of guys that played for him last year In New.
46:07
Speaker 6: England you, know they were kind of got the injury.
46:09
Speaker 6: Bugs so just seeing the way that he develops, guys you,
46:12
Speaker 6: know that was a big factor of wanting me, to you,
46:14
Speaker 6: know stay.
46:15
Speaker 1: Here including, Playoffs volsen has started fifty one of a
46:19
Speaker 1: possible fifty three games in his three years In. Cincinnati
46:23
Speaker 1: topic number three is. Alignment on the other side of the.
46:27
Speaker 1: Ball Chris. Jenkins jenkins missed the first two weeks of
46:30
Speaker 1: his rookie season after breaking his thumb at. Practice when
46:33
Speaker 1: he finally got on the, field he played with a
46:36
Speaker 1: giant club on one hand to protect his. Thumb now
46:40
Speaker 1: that he's got the use of both, hands will we
46:42
Speaker 1: see the player who is worthy of a second round
46:45
Speaker 1: draft pick last? Year here's d line Coach Jerry. Montgomery
46:49
Speaker 1: we played.
46:49
Speaker 3: With our hands in order to be productive in the.
46:51
Speaker 3: Run you got to use your. Hands in order to
46:53
Speaker 3: be productive as a, rusher you got to use your.
46:55
Speaker 3: Hands so to not have one of your, tools all,
46:58
Speaker 3: right it's. Tough, mean like for in the kids' toff
47:02
Speaker 3: he played through it and he did some good things with.
47:05
Speaker 3: It imagine if he had both of. THEM i, mean
47:07
Speaker 3: you know his jump, again IF i always say from
47:13
Speaker 3: year one to year two should be. BIG i, mean
47:14
Speaker 3: you've been in the league one, year all, right you
47:17
Speaker 3: get all the you know the processing out like, now
47:23
Speaker 3: you know how fast the game, is you know what's,
47:27
Speaker 3: expected you know how to prepare a little bit. Better
47:29
Speaker 3: you know how to, study you know how to take
47:32
Speaker 3: care of your. Body so all those things go into
47:34
Speaker 3: account of the year, one year, two and especially being
47:37
Speaker 3: able to have two.
47:37
Speaker 1: Hands jenkins was a second Team All american and a
47:41
Speaker 1: team captain For michigan's national championship squad two years. Ago
47:45
Speaker 1: topic number four is undrafted wide Receiver Jordan moore out Of.
47:50
Speaker 1: Duke it seems like every year there's an undrafted wide
47:54
Speaker 1: receiver that catches your eye at training, camp and a
47:57
Speaker 1: few have earned important roles like To irwin And Alex.
48:01
Speaker 1: Erikson moore is a guy to keep an eye on this.
48:04
Speaker 1: Year after playing quarterback as a, freshman he had three
48:08
Speaker 1: straight seasons with at least fifty five catches and finished
48:12
Speaker 1: His duke career with twenty one touchdown. Grabs here's more
48:15
Speaker 1: and wide receivers Coach Troy, walters All, Right, jordan what's
48:19
Speaker 1: it been like for you to be a rookie receiver
48:22
Speaker 1: in a room With jamar and t and Having Joe
48:25
Speaker 1: burrow as a.
48:25
Speaker 7: QUARTERBACK i, mean it's, great and just trying to learn
48:28
Speaker 7: as much AS i can and obviously have two of
48:30
Speaker 7: the best of the series in the leads to learn,
48:31
Speaker 7: from So i'm really just trying to sug up. Everything
48:35
Speaker 7: watch all their, routes watch how they you, know walk
48:38
Speaker 7: around the locker room how they conduct themselves and try
48:41
Speaker 7: to emulate that BECAUSE i, mean if they're the top two,
48:43
Speaker 7: RECEIVERS i, mean there's so MUCH i can learn from.
48:45
Speaker 1: Them tell us why you elected to sign With. CINCINNATI
48:49
Speaker 1: i think.
48:51
Speaker 7: Having The zoom meeting with Coach, WALTERS i, mean our values,
48:56
Speaker 7: aligned and when we went through the, offense it seemed
48:59
Speaker 7: like a offense that's friendly to receivers and they do
49:03
Speaker 7: a lot of different things to get guys. Open so
49:05
Speaker 7: that's something that intrigued.
49:06
Speaker 1: ME i, know you have quarterback in your, background including
49:09
Speaker 1: your first year A. Duke how quickly and easily did
49:12
Speaker 1: wide receiver come to?
49:13
Speaker 6: You?
49:14
Speaker 7: Mentally it came pretty, easy but you, know actually running
49:17
Speaker 7: routes and, actually you, know being out there at receiver
49:21
Speaker 7: was it was a lot different THAN i was that.
49:23
Speaker 7: Quarterback SO i, Mean i'm very grateful for my background
49:26
Speaker 7: at quarterback to help me in the mental aspect of the.
49:29
Speaker 7: Game and you, know the physical aspect just takes, work
49:32
Speaker 7: And i've been working as hard AS i.
49:33
Speaker 1: Could you obviously had some great seasons At. Duke were
49:36
Speaker 1: you surprised not to be?
49:37
Speaker 7: DRAFTED i mean they've always told me everybody's always told
49:41
Speaker 7: me it doesn't matter how you get, here as long
49:42
Speaker 7: as you get. Here AND i, mean the draft is.
49:44
Speaker 7: Over and as a, kid you always Dreamed bay getting
49:47
Speaker 7: drafted with but then it. Happened SO i just got
49:49
Speaker 7: to move on and keep.
49:50
Speaker 8: Working Number one great young. Man from the TIME i
49:54
Speaker 8: called him and zoomed him and we talked some, ball
49:57
Speaker 8: got to know. Him he's a a, PLUS a plus
50:01
Speaker 8: young man fits our, culture, competitor wants to be, great,
50:06
Speaker 8: Coachable So i'm very proud and excited to have him
50:10
Speaker 8: as one of our.
50:10
Speaker 1: Guys he was a quarterback his first year At. Duke
50:13
Speaker 1: how far along is he as a wide receiver a
50:15
Speaker 1: couple of years after.
50:16
Speaker 8: That he's done a great. Job you couldn't tell that
50:19
Speaker 8: he's you, know he's transitioned from quarterback to. Receiver you,
50:23
Speaker 8: know he's a good route, runner very technical in terms
50:26
Speaker 8: of his his, fundamentals his, techniques understands the. GAME i
50:30
Speaker 8: think the quarterback being a quarterback former quarterback helps him
50:34
Speaker 8: in terms of just understanding, coverages understanding what the defense
50:37
Speaker 8: is trying to, do understand what the quarterback is thinking
50:39
Speaker 8: on every. Play and SO i think that's helped him
50:42
Speaker 8: here pick up the offense and he's done a great.
50:45
Speaker 1: Job more was a team captain and was Named DUKE'S
50:47
Speaker 1: mvp last. Year the fifth and final topic Involves Jamar
50:52
Speaker 1: chase AND T. Higgins the weather conditions On tuesday were.
50:55
Speaker 1: Dreary it was rainy and kind of, chilly but after
50:59
Speaker 1: holding part of practice in THE i. E L indoor,
51:02
Speaker 1: facility The bengals moved outdoors to get some reps in
51:06
Speaker 1: under the type of conditions they will have to play
51:08
Speaker 1: in at some point during the year in any. Case after,
51:12
Speaker 1: practice a small group of fans waited in the rain
51:16
Speaker 1: in hopes of getting, autographs And jamar And t rewarded
51:20
Speaker 1: their patients by stopping and signing long term contract. Extensions
51:26
Speaker 1: haven't changed them once. Again here's wide receivers Coach Troy.
51:30
Speaker 8: Walters they're always, happy excited to have a smile in their.
51:34
Speaker 8: Face they love the, game they love to, practice so
51:36
Speaker 8: none of that has. Changed BUT i think probably internally
51:40
Speaker 8: they'll probably relieved that they got the got the deal.
51:42
Speaker 8: Done they can just go play football and there's nothing
51:45
Speaker 8: hanging over their heads and they've been. Awesome they understand
51:48
Speaker 8: the to who much is, given much is required much as,
51:51
Speaker 8: expected and so you, know we're not paying that type
51:55
Speaker 8: of money for them to come in and not not,
51:57
Speaker 8: produced not be big time, players top top five receivers
52:01
Speaker 8: in the. League and so they understand and they're attacking
52:03
Speaker 8: it and doing a good.
52:04
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