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Pain Is a Teacher: Faith, Fitness, and the Courage to Keep Going · Faithful Fitness With Coach Alex VanHouten

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Speaker 1: Hey, Faithful, Welcome to the Faithful Fitness Podcast. In a moment,
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Speaker 1: my dad, coach Alex van Houten, will help you honor
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Speaker 1: God by making the most out of the body God's
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Speaker 1: given you. Today you can expect truth from the Bible,
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Speaker 1: tools from science, and guidance for everyday life. So listen closing,
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Speaker 1: Get ready, Let's get one percent better today.
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Speaker 2: Hey there, coach Alex. Here, grace in peace to you.
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Speaker 2: This episode is a little more tender than usual. I
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Speaker 2: had the opportunity to sit down with Elena on the
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Speaker 2: Intimate Conversations with Men podcast and we talked about pain,
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Speaker 2: not just pain in theory, real pain, pain in the body,
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Speaker 2: pain in the mind, pain in a man or woman's
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Speaker 2: sense of worth, pain that makes you wonder whether you
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Speaker 2: still have anything left to give. And I'll be honest,
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Speaker 2: this conversation hit close to home. We talked about my
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Speaker 2: journey with Eelers Danlos and what it's meant to live
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Speaker 2: with a body that doesn't always co operate, and how
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Speaker 2: pain has become one of my teachers. Not because pain's
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Speaker 2: good and not because I enjoy it, but because pain
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Speaker 2: tells the truth. Pain says pay attention, pain says something
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Speaker 2: needs care here. Pain says you can't keep pretending that
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Speaker 2: this is not here right now. And that matters because
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Speaker 2: a lot of men are carrying pain that they've never named,
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Speaker 2: physical pain, emotional pain, spiritual pain, the pain of feeling
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Speaker 2: like they're not strong enough, not useful enough, or not
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Speaker 2: capable enough, maybe even not needed enough. And when a
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Speaker 2: man starts to believe that his value only comes from
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Speaker 2: what he can do, pain can start whispering a very
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Speaker 2: dangerous lie. You're worthless, not worthless as in without value,
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Speaker 2: but worth less, less useful, less capable, less needed, And
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Speaker 2: that is a lie from hell. You're not done yet.
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Speaker 2: God made you on purpose for purpose, and if you're
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Speaker 2: still here, there is still something to steward. There is
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Speaker 2: still another faithful.
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Speaker 3: Step to take.
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Speaker 2: So as you listen to this conversation, I want you
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Speaker 2: to wrestle with this question, what pain in my life
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Speaker 2: have I been avoiding instead of bringing into the light?
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Speaker 2: Because acknowledging pain is not weakness, it's the beginning of courage.
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Speaker 2: Encourage is not the absence of fear. Courage is being
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Speaker 2: afraid and stepping forward. Anyway, before we jump in, I
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Speaker 2: want to share something that really encouraged me. A listener
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Speaker 2: recently left a review and I read it while we
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Speaker 2: were traveling this weekend to spread my brother's ashes, and
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Speaker 2: I'll just say this, it really put a smile on
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Speaker 2: my face and a tender moment.
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Speaker 3: So thank you.
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Speaker 2: Every review, every message, every note of encouragement reminds me
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Speaker 2: that this work matters, and that God is using these
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Speaker 2: conversations in ways that I don't always get to see.
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Speaker 2: And one more thing I'm excited to share with you.
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Speaker 2: with them and let me know what you think. All right, guys,
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Speaker 2: without further to do, let's get to my conversation with
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Speaker 2: Elena on the Intimate Conversations with Men podcast. Thanks so
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Speaker 2: much for having me, Elena. I'm really excited about this
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Speaker 2: conversation me too.
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Speaker 4: I am. Thank you for being here, first of all,
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Speaker 4: and thank you for the determination of growing raising two
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Speaker 4: sons with strength and fate. And we definitely need those
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Speaker 4: kind of parents a lot, fathers. I meant to say, Alex,
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Speaker 4: I cannot help it, but notice it in your bio
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Speaker 4: and in yourself that you have been challenge yourself with
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Speaker 4: some generic condition, I might say, and you tell me
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Speaker 4: a little bit more about that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, my journey as an exercise scientist actually started with
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Speaker 2: dealing with my own injuries and issues back even when
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Speaker 2: I was an adolescent, and so at the.
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Speaker 3: Time I didn't know I had a genetic disorder.
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Speaker 2: But I would do athletic things, and I would train
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Speaker 2: just like my friends in track practice or in wrestling
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Speaker 2: or in martial arts, and I would always end up
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Speaker 2: with some sort of joint related issue my hips, my knees,
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Speaker 2: my back, my shoulders, my wrists, and they were issues
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Speaker 2: that other people weren't dealing with They would slide and
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Speaker 2: grind and pop out of place, and that always seemed
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Speaker 2: to get better over time, but I had to rehabilitate myself,
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Speaker 2: and so that journey of learning how to be injured
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Speaker 2: and then get back to the exercises that I appreciated
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Speaker 2: or the games that I liked to play and deal
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Speaker 2: with the pain in the process, that's really what forged
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Speaker 2: this whole path of becoming an exercise scientist. And it
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Speaker 2: wasn't actually until later, about ten years into training people,
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Speaker 2: that I learned about my own genetic disorder that explained
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Speaker 2: a lot of the things that I was wrestling with.
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Speaker 3: And that disorder is called eelers dan los.
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Speaker 2: Eelers dan los is a difficulty in the body of
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Speaker 2: synthesizing collagen. It can affect tendons and ligaments, It can
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Speaker 2: affect cardiac tissue, it can affect the digestive system, and
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Speaker 2: so many of the things that I had wrestled with
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Speaker 2: made a lot of sense after I understood what was
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Speaker 2: happening in my body, and well, I didn't have an opportunity.
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Speaker 3: For excuses because I had wrestled with it for ten years.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I love about that is it taught
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Speaker 2: me how to help myself and I could help others
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Speaker 2: in the process. And then actually being able to put
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Speaker 2: a name to it made it possible for me to
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Speaker 2: start taking steps to help myself and eventually my children.
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Speaker 4: One makes you perceive that pain was actually helpful to
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Speaker 4: you to get back or learning through pain.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, pain is a lot of times pain
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Speaker 2: gets a bad rap. And I'm not saying it's it's enjoyable.
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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people. But but pain, pain
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Speaker 2: is a teacher. So so you know, our body uses
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Speaker 2: pain to teach us what isn't good.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: So, so, for instance, if I get stung by a bee,
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Speaker 2: you're gotten a be sting that's really painful, right, like
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Speaker 2: ow yeah, yeah, they're like that's big, Like ah, look out.
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Speaker 2: So so you get you get stung by a bee, right,
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Speaker 2: and and what happens, Well, it's an intense pain and
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Speaker 2: and it teaches your mind and your body.
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Speaker 3: Wow. Bees are Bees are painful. Bees are dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Watch out for bees, right and unless you're allergic, bees
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Speaker 2: aren't mortally dangerous. They're not going to kill you with
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Speaker 2: one beasting, but kind it's painful, right, And in the
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Speaker 2: same In the same way, when you exercise, your your
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Speaker 2: body can can tell you, hey, this this is really
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Speaker 2: hurting your knee, and that's a signal.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you don't exercise.
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Speaker 2: It's just teaching you what is appropriate for your joints,
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Speaker 2: what's appropriate for attendants and ligaments. And for me, pain
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Speaker 2: has been a great teacher. I don't like pain. I
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Speaker 2: don't enjoy pain. I don't wish it on anybody at all.
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Speaker 2: But pain can teach me what not to do with
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Speaker 2: myself and if I'm willing to keep visiting the thing.
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Speaker 2: Kind of like Thomas Edison said, I didn't fail at
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Speaker 2: making a light bulb thousands of times. I just learned
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Speaker 2: thousands of ways not to make a light bulb. And
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Speaker 2: pain can be a similar teacher.
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Speaker 4: So to summarize what you just said is many people
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Speaker 4: see pain different. The way you see it is pain
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Speaker 4: is a feedback mechanism that is guiding you, and it's
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Speaker 4: actually your partner that is guiding you on what way
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Speaker 4: to take or not to take.
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Speaker 3: Excellent, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: And if you're going to see pain that way, the
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Speaker 2: biggest thing you need is endurance and courage, because pain
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Speaker 2: is not easy to deal with. And so in my experience,
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Speaker 2: many people will avoid pain and in many cases it's
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Speaker 2: actually facing pain head on and understanding is it getting worse,
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Speaker 2: is it getting better?
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Speaker 3: Is it? Is it maintaining?
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Speaker 2: And that those those pain signals can actually teach us
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Speaker 2: a lot about what the right way for us to
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Speaker 2: move is.
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Speaker 4: Uh, tell me about endurance and courage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So endurance is just that capacity to keep going
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Speaker 2: when things get difficult. Right, So at a physiological level,
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Speaker 2: it just means that that when my cells start to
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Speaker 2: run out of energy, they have other pathways to get
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Speaker 2: more energy. Right, That's the most basic level, that's what
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Speaker 2: endurance is. But from a mindset perspective, endurance is saying saying,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get knocked down seven times, but I'm
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Speaker 2: going to get.
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Speaker 3: Up eight I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't get to give up, right, And
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Speaker 2: and that is a that is a very powerful and
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Speaker 2: important trait to exercise. And if you don't have much endurance,
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Speaker 2: it's okay. That's something you can build and grow in yourself.
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Speaker 2: And so we see that in exercise science pretty frequently.
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Speaker 2: It actually doesn't take a whole lot of effort on
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Speaker 2: a regular basis to build endurance right into every cell
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Speaker 2: of your body. And then the courage aspect is pain scary.
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Speaker 2: You know, when when little kids fall down and scrape
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Speaker 2: their knee, what's the first thing they do an even
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Speaker 2: before it hurts, even before the pain hits them, it's scary, right.
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Speaker 2: I have a seven year old son and he was
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Speaker 2: riding his bike and he just crash, you know, sp
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Speaker 2: scraped himself all up, and he gets up and he's like,
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Speaker 2: I'm okay, you know, and he hops on his bike
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Speaker 2: and he's he's a tough dude. He rides up to
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Speaker 2: me and he's got blood coming out of his knee,
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Speaker 2: and he looks down and he sees his knee and
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Speaker 2: he goes and he starts to cry. So because it's scary,
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Speaker 2: It's it's not just that it hurts, it's that pain
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Speaker 2: is scary.
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Speaker 3: We feel like it's gonna get worse.
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Speaker 2: We're concerned that it'll never stop, right, And so it
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Speaker 2: takes courage to face pain because if if we hurt,
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Speaker 2: it's scary. And courage is not Courage is not a
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Speaker 2: lack of fear. It's being afraid, but stepping into that fear.
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Speaker 4: Anyway, Oh, I love that. May I ask, when your
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Speaker 4: son fell, he saw the blood and start crying, what
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Speaker 4: do you do? How do you handle that?
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Speaker 2: Alex as a dad. As a dad, I always want
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Speaker 2: him to know, hey, you're okay. So I say, hey, buddy,
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Speaker 2: you're okay. Look at it. It's just a scrape. We're
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Speaker 2: gonna go take care of it. We're gonna wash it
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Speaker 2: up and stuff. Give me a hug. Men, And for
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Speaker 2: for a young for a child, when when they're in pain,
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Speaker 2: sometimes regulating their nervous system with your own nervous system
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Speaker 2: is the best call. So so we have these cool
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Speaker 2: receptors on our body that that when we feel touch,
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Speaker 2: it actually overrides the pain a little bit. So I
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Speaker 2: don't know, if you've ever bumped your head on something
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Speaker 2: whack ow, you can you can kind of rub around here.
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Speaker 4: That's my favorite thing of remind me.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when you bump your head, you can actually
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Speaker 2: rub the area around it and it decreases the amount
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Speaker 2: of pain that you feel. So it's actually comforting to
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Speaker 2: have some touch in conjunction with the pain, not right
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Speaker 2: on the wound, you know, you know, rub the wound,
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Speaker 2: you just rub around it, right, So so anyway, as
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Speaker 2: a dad, I want to comfort him.
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Speaker 3: I want him to know he's okay.
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Speaker 2: I want him to know that there's something we can
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Speaker 2: do about this pain, and that he's not alone in it.
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Speaker 4: This is very interesting you said that because a couple
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Speaker 4: of days ago I personally fail, which sometimes I'm surprised
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Speaker 4: why I'm still doing that because I'm not five. And
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Speaker 4: you know. The first thing is I check I was
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Speaker 4: wearing pants. I checked my knee because I landed primarily
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Speaker 4: in my knee, and I said, I'm okay, and I
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Speaker 4: keep going. I was going to an appointment. When I
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Speaker 4: got to my appointment, I realized that I have a
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Speaker 4: big scrash here. It was fuel, it was still with blood.
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Speaker 4: That's when I know I'm not okay.
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Speaker 3: It's not okay. I'm bleeding yet it is so true.
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Speaker 4: Wow, thank you for that. Okay, So I want to
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Speaker 4: ask you more questions about that, because I'm sure I
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Speaker 4: am not the only individual who experiences pain. So when
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Speaker 4: when any any any of us adults, not kids, because
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Speaker 4: sometimes we learn things to do things through our parents
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Speaker 4: but also through our little friends and they don't know better.
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Speaker 4: Right as an adult, when something like that happens because
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Speaker 4: I'm also not the only one failing or bleeding. So
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Speaker 4: what do you say will be the better thing to
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Speaker 4: do to handle that pain at that moment in the body.
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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing that adults need to know about
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Speaker 2: pain is acknowledging that it's there, okay, is actually an
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Speaker 2: important step. So for adults, what we often do, and
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Speaker 2: we do this with emotional pain too, it's not just
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Speaker 2: not just physical pain, it's acknowledging that it's there. Right,
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Speaker 2: many times the adults what we want to do is
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Speaker 2: act like it doesn't exist, like we want to shove
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Speaker 2: it down. We want to tamp it down, move it
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Speaker 2: to the side. I don't have time for this pain
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Speaker 2: right now, right, So if I fall on the ground
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Speaker 2: and I scrape my arm and my leg, my knee jerk.
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Speaker 2: Is to do the same thing you did, go on
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Speaker 2: with my day, like I'm fine, whatever, move on, you know, yeah,
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Speaker 2: only my pride hurts a little bit, that's all right,
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Speaker 2: And somebody saw it right especially through that you're like,
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Speaker 2: I'm fine, I'm fine, stupid sidewalk, you know whatever. So
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Speaker 2: as an adult, we have to acknowledge our pain. And
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Speaker 2: this is actually, this is actually what they teach in
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Speaker 2: trauma therapy as well, and it's it's extremely important.
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Speaker 3: It's to acknowledge what happened.
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Speaker 2: I fell down, I scraped my arm, I'm bleeding, it
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Speaker 2: hurts right, and I know it sounds dumb, but those
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Speaker 2: are very important things to acknowledge. And the same thing,
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Speaker 2: you know, if I'm having a bad day with regard
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Speaker 2: to my own physical pain in he los analasts, I
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Speaker 2: have to be able to acknowledge it.
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Speaker 3: Ow my back really hurts right now and.
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Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time putting my own shoes on,
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Speaker 2: or my ankle is not allowing me to walk on
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Speaker 2: it today. Like I need to acknowledge those things. Now,
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Speaker 2: that's that's step one. I need to acknowledge it, and
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Speaker 2: that gives me an opportunity. If I can acknowledge it
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Speaker 2: to myself, I can acknowledge it to other people, not
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Speaker 2: in a complaining victim mindset way, but just stating the
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Speaker 2: reality of life. I'm in pain, and that's okay, it's
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Speaker 2: okay to acknowledge that. And then step two is a
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Speaker 2: little harder. So if you can't acknowledge, you got to
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Speaker 2: start there. But step two is a decision about what
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Speaker 2: you're going to do with that. And this is very
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Speaker 2: subjective because because the way that you walk forward in
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Speaker 2: your day with courage and the way that you walk
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Speaker 2: forward in your day with endurance might not be the
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Speaker 2: same way. I need to walk forward in my day
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Speaker 2: with courage and endurance. Right, But I am the only
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Speaker 2: one who's living with the pain and has to decide
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Speaker 2: what to do with it.
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Speaker 3: Nobody else can tell me what to do about that.
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Speaker 2: And so, for instance, if I I don't know this
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Speaker 2: weird thing in Ealer's Daan Loos, I can just wake
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Speaker 2: up and be like, I don't know how, but I
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Speaker 2: injured myself in my sleep. I've ever done that before.
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Speaker 2: Ever you're woken up like and been like, ow, what
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Speaker 2: did I do? I have a cool story for why
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Speaker 2: I'm in pain right now?
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Speaker 4: That yet there you go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I.
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Speaker 4: See a man with a bruce, I said, give me
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Speaker 4: a good story, at least give me to.
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Speaker 2: Make good story.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you fight a bear? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So I wake up and say, wow, I'm in a
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Speaker 2: lot of pain today, Like my back really hurts. I'm
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Speaker 2: in a lot of pain today. I acknowledge it, and
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Speaker 2: I have to decide what to do about it. I
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Speaker 2: have client sessions that I intend to train through. I
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Speaker 2: have things that I want to do with my sons.
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Speaker 2: I have maybe my wife wants me to get in
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Speaker 2: the attic and carry some stuff down, And I have
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Speaker 2: to decide, Okay, is this the kind of pain where
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Speaker 2: I can I can move through it, Okay, I just
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Speaker 2: have to be careful, or is this the kind of
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Speaker 2: pain where I need to start changing my plans?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: And this decision is really important because for me with
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Speaker 2: Ealers daanlows, there are many individuals who find themselves hooked
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Speaker 2: on pain medications and that alters the way their mind works,
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Speaker 2: that alters the way they're their body works, and personally,
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Speaker 2: for me, I like to keep that as minimal as
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Speaker 2: possible because I would like to maintain my capacity to
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Speaker 2: make decisions about what I'm going to do with this pain, right.
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Speaker 2: And so that's the step two is being after I've
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Speaker 2: acknowledged it, I need to make some decisions about how
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Speaker 2: I'm going to face this today and if anything needs
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Speaker 2: to change about what I've planned, or if anything needs
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Speaker 2: to change about my attitude, and that leads me then
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Speaker 2: finally to step three is my emotional attitude about this pain,
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Speaker 2: because especially for men guilty. We tend to face pain
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Speaker 2: with anger. Right, So, if I'm in pain, I'm more
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Speaker 2: likely to be irritable. If I'm in pain, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to be angry about it. If I'm in pain, I'm
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Speaker 2: more likely to lose my temper about certain things that
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Speaker 2: wouldn't bother me. And so the step three, after I've
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Speaker 2: acknowledged my pain, after I've decided how I'm going to
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Speaker 2: face this today, then then in step three here I
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Speaker 2: can I can take an emotional posture to that, right,
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Speaker 2: I can. I can actually treat myself with kindness. I
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Speaker 2: can actually have some grace. I can ask for patients
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Speaker 2: from the people around me, and and I can I
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Speaker 2: can do that in a way that doesn't make me
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Speaker 2: a victim, right because I'm facing my pain courageously here,
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Speaker 2: I can do that in a way that doesn't make
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Speaker 2: me a victim. And so I'm not asking anybody for pity.
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Speaker 2: I'm not asking anybody for for their I don't know
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Speaker 2: what's the word. I think pity is the one. When
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Speaker 2: you wrestle with pain. You don't want people's pity. That's
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Speaker 2: not that's not what you want you You want other
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Speaker 2: people just to understand your reality so that you can
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Speaker 2: continue being the best version of you that you can
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Speaker 2: be today. And so so that's that's number three is
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Speaker 2: being able to choose your emotional disposition towards the pain today.
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Speaker 4: Alex, you brought some great points there, and I'm just curious.
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Speaker 4: I know you're not a psychologist, but with think yourself,
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Speaker 4: what is the psychology or what goes in your mind?
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Speaker 4: And you're right, I perceive in my life the man
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Speaker 4: in my life that when they get sick, they just
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Speaker 4: it's really hard to handle pain. Not because they cannot
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Speaker 4: tolerate the pain. It's because it's like if they don't
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Speaker 4: want nobody to see him in pain or and need.
20:29
Speaker 4: And I'm curious. So the reason why I create this
20:32
Speaker 4: place is this space is to learn more, right, because
20:36
Speaker 4: by learning, we can support our men and we can
20:40
Speaker 4: be there or you know, do better. Right, what is
20:45
Speaker 4: the psychology. Let's say that on a good day or
20:48
Speaker 4: on a bad day, and a day you're not really
20:51
Speaker 4: feeling well, and like I said, like you know, when
20:55
Speaker 4: men get sick, they really get angry, but at the
20:57
Speaker 4: same time they're like little kids, right, And I could
21:00
Speaker 4: again my experience the men in my life and more
21:04
Speaker 4: specifically to adults.
21:06
Speaker 3: Right.
21:07
Speaker 4: So it's just like I have that I already had
21:08
Speaker 4: that expectation. But what gos in the mind of a
21:11
Speaker 4: man when it's not able to be in there one
21:15
Speaker 4: hundred percent? Because there is something in the back of
21:19
Speaker 4: their mind that says, my purpose is to empower, my
21:23
Speaker 4: purpose is to protect. And when they are not able
21:27
Speaker 4: to do that, what happens in the mind.
21:29
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
21:30
Speaker 2: So, so men tend to derive what their self worth
21:35
Speaker 2: is from what they're capable of doing. So if so,
21:40
Speaker 2: the psychology of a man is I can fix things,
21:44
Speaker 2: I can run fast, I can I can fight bears.
21:47
Speaker 3: You know, women love me?
21:49
Speaker 2: Right like these these are all the things that a
21:52
Speaker 2: man derives his self worth from, right. And so so
21:57
Speaker 2: if I see that I cannot accomplish something, or I
22:00
Speaker 2: see that I cannot do something, the psychology for a
22:03
Speaker 2: man is to become depressed and also combative and defensive.
22:09
Speaker 3: Right.
22:09
Speaker 2: So this is important with regard to the pain conversation,
22:13
Speaker 2: because because if I derive my worth as an individual
22:18
Speaker 2: from what I'm capable of doing, then then pain directly
22:23
Speaker 2: disrupts my own worth.
22:25
Speaker 4: Correct.
22:26
Speaker 2: Pain automatically says hey, you're in pain, so you're worthless.
22:30
Speaker 3: Not worthless, but worthless. That makes sense.
22:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we're going We're going to a good place
22:38
Speaker 4: now because I have now from there, I have many questions.
22:41
Speaker 4: But before I ask many questions, I don't want to
22:44
Speaker 4: forget to us days. In your bio you use the
22:48
Speaker 4: word a man. When you use the word man, you
22:50
Speaker 4: refer as a mankind or you only help a man
22:54
Speaker 4: with your coaching.
22:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. So I get to work with men
23:00
Speaker 2: and women and faithful fitness. For the purpose of your podcast,
23:04
Speaker 2: it's important that your audience knows that my primary work
23:10
Speaker 2: from a faith based health coach perspective is with men.
23:14
Speaker 2: Primary work with exercise science actually happens to be with women.
23:21
Speaker 3: To work in birth year.
23:24
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's been my experience in the training
23:27
Speaker 2: world that women are faster to ask for help, and
23:30
Speaker 2: so I have found that as a coach, I have
23:35
Speaker 2: found that women are more willing to let me help
23:38
Speaker 2: them from an exercise perspective, And I work with men
23:40
Speaker 2: when they're ready, but they like to figure it out
23:43
Speaker 2: the hard way. Sometimes I have.
23:45
Speaker 4: So many questions and my mind is running while so
23:48
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to.
23:49
Speaker 3: Be very okay, okay, very.
23:52
Speaker 4: Crafted in each question. And I usually ask the question
23:55
Speaker 4: about all those men who are great on paper, leaders
24:01
Speaker 4: that are and a lot of pain. Now, because we
24:04
Speaker 4: are specifically you and I having a conversation of the body, right,
24:08
Speaker 4: the pain sometimes doesn't refer up. You know, they feel broken,
24:12
Speaker 4: they feel hurt, they they are in a lot of pain,
24:14
Speaker 4: but a lot of that is also physical. So I
24:19
Speaker 4: as you as you were describing men and pain, I
24:23
Speaker 4: went back to the movie Forrest Gum, and I thought,
24:27
Speaker 4: and I remember how sometimes parents over protect kids they're
24:32
Speaker 4: they're you know, are born with a child. I'm going
24:34
Speaker 4: to call it a challenge, right, and then when you
24:39
Speaker 4: say words less when you were talking about that, you
24:42
Speaker 4: know and and that challenge, and I'm just gonna say that,
24:46
Speaker 4: then I want you to give me your opinion and
24:47
Speaker 4: that challenge. They don't get to be like an whatever
24:53
Speaker 4: normal is, a normal kid or playing and all of that. Again,
24:57
Speaker 4: it's just a movie, but I can see how that
24:59
Speaker 4: reflects in life and truth and a real story and
25:04
Speaker 4: overprotect us kids instead of trying to help them to
25:09
Speaker 4: be a normal and normal whatever whatever that means. And
25:12
Speaker 4: the belope they're doing right, as a man the bevelope.
25:15
Speaker 4: They're doing, as you said, they're make sure they're they
25:20
Speaker 4: measure themselves about what they're able to do. So with
25:26
Speaker 4: regards to that specific case, let's say there is a
25:29
Speaker 4: mother and a father right now, they have a kid
25:32
Speaker 4: born with a physical challenge with regards to playing and
25:40
Speaker 4: exercising with the other kids, what is that? What is
25:44
Speaker 4: that your experience. We're gonna start with kids, and then
25:48
Speaker 4: we're gonna go up to men. Okay, to the specifically,
25:52
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about men with the life of that
25:55
Speaker 4: boy that is restricted by the not just the illness,
26:00
Speaker 4: but the overprotection of the parents sometimes. What words would
26:06
Speaker 4: you use to parents like that?
26:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the question.
26:11
Speaker 2: This might be a very deeply opinionated response, but I
26:16
Speaker 2: think it's important. One of the things that we find
26:18
Speaker 2: in the psychological community is that mothers and fathers have.
26:21
Speaker 3: Different roles in boys lives.
26:24
Speaker 2: A mother cannot teach a boy how to be a
26:27
Speaker 2: man because she's no matter what mom does, she I
26:33
Speaker 2: was raised in a single parent home. My mom did
26:35
Speaker 2: her best with four kids, and my mom did a
26:40
Speaker 2: wonderful job of nurturing.
26:42
Speaker 3: She did a wonderful job of teaching.
26:43
Speaker 2: She did a wonderful job of modeling what discipline looks
26:48
Speaker 2: like and what love looks like. She did that very
26:51
Speaker 2: well for us. But my mom couldn't teach me how
26:53
Speaker 2: to be a man. She couldn't teach me what it
26:55
Speaker 2: looks like for a man to approach challenges and to
26:58
Speaker 2: deal with those things in the way that a man can.
27:02
Speaker 2: And so what my mom did is she put me
27:05
Speaker 2: in the vicinity of men who were pursuing different challenges.
27:10
Speaker 2: And so actually kickboxing was the first way that I
27:13
Speaker 2: connected with men in any meaningful way outside of outside
27:19
Speaker 2: of not having a father in the home. And so
27:22
Speaker 2: I learned, you know, how to fight and how to wrestle,
27:25
Speaker 2: and what it looks like for men to genuinely love
27:29
Speaker 2: each other, to give big hugs, and to challenge each other,
27:33
Speaker 2: that sort of thing.
27:34
Speaker 3: Have fun. I was yelling, I was maybe nine or
27:36
Speaker 3: ten years old.
27:37
Speaker 2: Right in something that I learned, and this was a
27:42
Speaker 2: story in my life, I was in a kickboxing match.
27:45
Speaker 3: Right in kickboxing, you.
27:46
Speaker 2: Put gloves on, you put headgear on, you get into
27:49
Speaker 2: the ring, and you fight like and the point is
27:52
Speaker 2: to beat each other up.
27:53
Speaker 3: That's like, that's the sport you score points.
27:56
Speaker 2: By getting through the guard and kicking him in the
28:00
Speaker 2: face and ducking and hitting in the guts and stuff,
28:03
Speaker 2: right' that's how you win.
28:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you win kickboxing.
28:07
Speaker 2: So just before I went into the ring, my mom said,
28:10
Speaker 2: don't hurt the boy, Alex.
28:12
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so she said to me, So, you.
28:15
Speaker 2: Know, I'm trying to make my mom happy, and I
28:18
Speaker 2: get beat up, like, I just get trashed because I'm
28:22
Speaker 2: trying not to hurt the kid, right, And I mean,
28:24
Speaker 2: he's a little bigger than me.
28:26
Speaker 3: I don't know what she's worried about.
28:27
Speaker 2: Like he's a little bigger than me, and I'm just
28:29
Speaker 2: getting beat up.
28:30
Speaker 3: Man.
28:30
Speaker 2: And I'm ten years old and I'm getting beat up.
28:34
Speaker 2: And I go back to my mom after the round's over,
28:38
Speaker 2: and I'm crying, like and I'm just I'm frustrated, you know,
28:42
Speaker 2: I just got beat up and I'm frustrated. And she
28:46
Speaker 2: looks at me and she goes, why are you crying?
28:49
Speaker 2: And I said, because I'm trying not to hurt him.
28:51
Speaker 2: I don't know how to punch somebody and not hurt him.
28:53
Speaker 2: And she goes, don't listen to me anymore, Go talk
28:57
Speaker 2: to your sense. So I talk to my sonse and
29:01
Speaker 2: my sense I wasn't the least bit worried about me
29:03
Speaker 2: hurting the other boy. That's his problem. He's got to
29:05
Speaker 2: keep his guard up. He said, Hey, you're getting hit
29:08
Speaker 2: in the face with the right hook. Dodge that and
29:10
Speaker 2: come in with the right cross. I'm like, okay, cool,
29:12
Speaker 2: And I did that, and I mopped the floor with
29:14
Speaker 2: this kid, and I was all excited and happy.
29:18
Speaker 3: And what's cool is in kickboxing.
29:21
Speaker 2: This might sound weird in the ladies world, but in kickboxing,
29:24
Speaker 2: once you beat each other up and the round's over,
29:27
Speaker 2: you give each other a hug, and you're closer friends
29:29
Speaker 2: than anybody else. So you know somebody intimately when you
29:32
Speaker 2: fight with them. So I beat this gid up and
29:35
Speaker 2: we're friends. Now we get the spar for the rest
29:38
Speaker 2: of rest of the next couple of years. And what
29:40
Speaker 2: I learned is that the father's job is to create
29:45
Speaker 2: the space for a boy to explore difficulty without it
29:52
Speaker 2: being too dangerous. So if I'm fighting a thirty year
29:56
Speaker 2: old man as a ten year old boy, that's dangers.
30:00
Speaker 2: I'm going to get punched in the cheek, and you know,
30:03
Speaker 2: injure myself in a way that I can't recover from,
30:07
Speaker 2: but another ten year old boy is not going to
30:09
Speaker 2: do too much damage. So two boys with supervised fighting
30:14
Speaker 2: and safety gear, this is a safe space to explore
30:20
Speaker 2: difficulty and challenge without a mortal injury. And the same
30:25
Speaker 2: thing goes I'm raising my boys. When I let my
30:29
Speaker 2: six year old get on the monkey bars, I'm not
30:32
Speaker 2: worried about him. The falls like, I don't know two feet,
30:35
Speaker 2: so I'm around, but I'm watching him and he's not
30:39
Speaker 2: going to get hurt too bad. My two year old
30:41
Speaker 2: wants to try the monkey bars, Well, that's a long fall.
30:45
Speaker 2: So I'm going to pick him up and let him
30:47
Speaker 2: be there, and I've got my hands here, but I'm
30:50
Speaker 2: going to let him figure it out and then catch him.
30:53
Speaker 3: And that's Dad's job.
30:55
Speaker 2: And so flipping the script, Mom's job is to let
30:58
Speaker 2: dad figure that out.
31:00
Speaker 4: Oh, I love that.
31:01
Speaker 2: Mom's job is to let dad create the space for
31:05
Speaker 2: difficulty and challenge while also helping dad learn what the
31:10
Speaker 2: thresholds are for injury. So something my wife does really
31:13
Speaker 2: well in our house is when she sees something, she's like, ooh,
31:16
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm worried about that.
31:19
Speaker 3: She just kind of goes somewhere else. So we.
31:25
Speaker 2: Yes, just let us do some of the dangerous, challenging things.
31:28
Speaker 2: And you know, not that I'd ever intentionally put my
31:32
Speaker 2: sons in mortal danger, but sometimes there are things that
31:34
Speaker 2: moms see could go wrong and they're concerned about that,
31:39
Speaker 2: and that's okay. But boys have to be allowed to
31:42
Speaker 2: go explore those difficult things. And so if I'm a
31:45
Speaker 2: child who's developmentally challenged in some form of fashion, that
31:48
Speaker 2: doesn't change for me.
31:50
Speaker 3: It just changes the atmosphere.
31:53
Speaker 2: Around what is injurious and what is appropriately challenged.
32:00
Speaker 3: And that's dad's job.
32:02
Speaker 4: I love I love what you said again in my
32:06
Speaker 4: in my exploration about learning from you know, newborn boy,
32:12
Speaker 4: which I have a I have a new god son,
32:15
Speaker 4: by the ways, you know, Mansel. I just met him
32:19
Speaker 4: a week ago, and I am so inspired. He actually
32:22
Speaker 4: tried to have a conversation with me, which makes me
32:24
Speaker 4: so happy. Exactly, I can wait to have you, I
32:31
Speaker 4: told him, I can wait to have you on my podcast,
32:34
Speaker 4: and he's gonna beautiful, beautiful boy. Thank you for saying that.
32:41
Speaker 4: And and this is very interesting because now that you
32:44
Speaker 4: said that, I cannot help it but keep continuing that.
32:46
Speaker 4: So I I have learned the you know what you said,
32:51
Speaker 4: month's job is you know, the being. That job is
32:55
Speaker 4: the doing, and it's important to learning to help them
32:58
Speaker 4: learn the obstacles, especially because all of that will reflect
33:03
Speaker 4: on what they do with their life, meaning professionally. I
33:08
Speaker 4: also learned that when a mother and I just I
33:12
Speaker 4: want you to elaborate on this. So I'm just going
33:13
Speaker 4: to give you a little bit of I'm gonna give
33:16
Speaker 4: you a little bit of bacon, and you give me
33:17
Speaker 4: all the meat on this, okay, And I love bacon.
33:23
Speaker 4: The when a mother is raising a kid, especially a boy,
33:28
Speaker 4: we want to focus on boys. When a mother is
33:30
Speaker 4: raising a boy, and I hear this in many places,
33:33
Speaker 4: by the way, and the boy doesn't have a father
33:38
Speaker 4: who is going to challenge him and help him doing
33:45
Speaker 4: to bring those kids into sports some others. While we
33:53
Speaker 4: could be worried about, oh my kid is going to
33:57
Speaker 4: be hurt and I am working and I am the
33:59
Speaker 4: only one who brings the money and I'm not going
34:01
Speaker 4: to be able to take care of my kid, or
34:04
Speaker 4: if there is a kid who was born with a challenge,
34:07
Speaker 4: it's even more right. So what would you say to that, Alex.
34:13
Speaker 2: I would say that I would applaud mothers who are
34:16
Speaker 2: raising their sons and struggling to find the right leadership
34:22
Speaker 2: and male presence in their sons' lives, because it's worth
34:26
Speaker 2: the fight, so don't stop trying to find that right place.
34:30
Speaker 2: I would also say that sports are not the only
34:32
Speaker 2: place that you can find that. So you know, sports
34:37
Speaker 2: are wonderful. You might find some good male coaches, martial
34:40
Speaker 2: arts instructors, or soccer coaches or football coaches. You might
34:43
Speaker 2: find some good coaches that really pour into their children
34:48
Speaker 2: that way. And in the same way, you can find
34:49
Speaker 2: some coaches that turn sports into their own idol, which
34:53
Speaker 2: is not something you want your kid to learn, is
34:56
Speaker 2: to find their identity in a sport. And so. But
35:01
Speaker 2: you can also find the spirit of the Father in
35:04
Speaker 2: other places. You can find the spirit of the Father
35:07
Speaker 2: in a religious setting. So for instance, my wife and
35:11
Speaker 2: I we run our children's ministry at our church, and
35:14
Speaker 2: it's very important to us that when kids come to
35:16
Speaker 2: our church they encounter fund We play kickball, and we
35:20
Speaker 2: throw frisbees, and we play uno. You know, we do
35:23
Speaker 2: all the stuff, and it requires the spirit of the Father.
35:28
Speaker 2: I say that in quotations the spirit of the Father,
35:32
Speaker 2: the capability of bringing a good environment, of encouraging play
35:37
Speaker 2: to a situation. Because you can play Uno in a
35:39
Speaker 2: way that everybody loses. You know, you can play a
35:42
Speaker 2: card game where everybody's mad at each other and nobody
35:45
Speaker 2: follows the rules, and that's not any fun. But you
35:48
Speaker 2: can play Uno or chess or you know, these these
35:53
Speaker 2: board games or building forts or wrestling or whatever it is.
35:58
Speaker 2: You can do that in a way that's encouraging and
36:01
Speaker 2: good for everybody. So you can count that in other
36:03
Speaker 2: places too. And what I would say to mothers is
36:05
Speaker 2: be on the lookout for places where children are safe
36:09
Speaker 2: to play.
36:10
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's where you're going.
36:13
Speaker 2: And if there's a place where a child is safe
36:16
Speaker 2: to play, the spirit of the Father is there somewhere,
36:19
Speaker 2: Like there might be a guy who's watching the playground
36:22
Speaker 2: and making sure everybody's doing okay. There might be there
36:25
Speaker 2: might be men who are actively planning games for kids
36:30
Speaker 2: at church. There might be a coach on the field
36:32
Speaker 2: who's coaching the football team. If there's a place where
36:35
Speaker 2: children are safe to play, that's that's a good place
36:38
Speaker 2: to find the spirit of the Father.
36:40
Speaker 4: I love that question. Thank you. Thank you for that, Alex,
36:43
Speaker 4: because definitely there's a challenge right to especially for the
36:47
Speaker 4: kid because they might feel the absence of the father.
36:50
Speaker 4: But now I'm going to shift into different kinds of
36:53
Speaker 4: questions and I am very curious to know what makes
36:56
Speaker 4: you create a faithful, faithful fitness.
37:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's been a journey and a project for me.
37:04
Speaker 2: You know, I actually spent several years in my early
37:08
Speaker 2: adulthood as an atheist, so somebody who championed the rationality
37:12
Speaker 2: of science over faith. I saw it as kind of
37:16
Speaker 2: superstition if nothing else. And in that changed for me.
37:22
Speaker 2: There was a time in my life where God showed
37:26
Speaker 2: himself to me as both real and it was necessary
37:30
Speaker 2: for faith to be a guiding principle in my life
37:33
Speaker 2: even and above rationality at times. And so I had
37:36
Speaker 2: always been an athlete. I'd always been somebody who worked
37:40
Speaker 2: through my own pain and difficulty with exercise, and I
37:45
Speaker 2: was practicing that, but I wasn't sure exactly where my
37:48
Speaker 2: faith fit in, and so the process of integrating those
37:53
Speaker 2: two things was a process that I had to go through.
37:57
Speaker 2: And then what I noticed is as I was coaching
37:59
Speaker 2: my clients many at the times that I would give
38:02
Speaker 2: them exercise or nutrition practice.
38:05
Speaker 3: To move forward in.
38:07
Speaker 2: There were times that they didn't do the things they
38:09
Speaker 2: know we're good for them, and the question was why.
38:13
Speaker 3: What is it about our belief system?
38:15
Speaker 2: What is it about the things we think we know
38:18
Speaker 2: about ourselves that impact us and change our decisions about
38:24
Speaker 2: our health and our fitness. I'll give you an example.
38:26
Speaker 2: Let's say I'm working with a client, and this is
38:28
Speaker 2: real life. I did this last week. Let's say I'm
38:31
Speaker 2: working with a client who has type two diabetes. Type
38:34
Speaker 2: two diabetes means my body does not regulate blood sugar
38:38
Speaker 2: very well. If my body does not regulate blood sugar
38:42
Speaker 2: very well, I shouldn't eat sweets. I just shouldn't. It's
38:46
Speaker 2: going to be hard on me. It's going to cause
38:48
Speaker 2: damage to my capillaries. It could make me go blind,
38:52
Speaker 2: it could make me feel terrible. I could end up
38:55
Speaker 2: in a coma if I eat too much sugar. Right,
39:00
Speaker 2: client having type two diabetes eats four servings of cookies
39:05
Speaker 2: on Monday afternoon.
39:08
Speaker 3: Why what the heck's going on there? What?
39:11
Speaker 2: Like, I know cookies are basically poisoned to me, but
39:15
Speaker 2: I'm eating them anyway.
39:16
Speaker 3: And if you ask, why are.
39:17
Speaker 2: You eating those cookies? Well, you know, it was just
39:19
Speaker 2: one of those days. I had a bad day and
39:23
Speaker 2: I wanted some cookies. And I can't understand that, right, right,
39:30
Speaker 2: And and emotional eatings is a real thing. Most of
39:33
Speaker 2: us could could relate to what it looks like to
39:36
Speaker 2: bury our emotion and sugar. Right, But you have to
39:40
Speaker 2: ask what do you believe about yourself in order to
39:45
Speaker 2: eat cookies that you.
39:47
Speaker 3: Know could kill you? What do you have to believe
39:50
Speaker 3: about yourself for that to be the case? Right? What? What?
39:54
Speaker 2: What are your what is your faith like? That's that's
39:58
Speaker 2: really the deeper questions. And I can tell this client
40:01
Speaker 2: from a nutrition and exercise perspective in science, Hey, you
40:06
Speaker 2: have type two diabetes. These have fifty grams of sugar.
40:10
Speaker 2: You don't need to eat those. I could tell a
40:12
Speaker 2: client that and they can understand it. But whether or
40:16
Speaker 2: not they're going to act on it, whether or not
40:18
Speaker 2: it's a part of who they are and they understand
40:22
Speaker 2: what they're doing in their day because of what they believe.
40:26
Speaker 3: That's a completely different question.
40:28
Speaker 2: And so faithful fitness isn't It is an attempt to
40:31
Speaker 2: take our belief systems and combine those with our actions
40:38
Speaker 2: in our bodies.
40:39
Speaker 3: We say that we work to help people.
40:41
Speaker 2: Make the most out of the body God's given them,
40:44
Speaker 2: And so that's the underlying structure of faithful fitness.
40:49
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that.
40:51
Speaker 2: Well.
40:52
Speaker 4: Sometimes I guess we don't see things that we eat
40:55
Speaker 4: as something that is going to hurt us stuff bad,
40:58
Speaker 4: because it's giving inspilation. Right, It's given us pleasure to
41:01
Speaker 4: to put that in our mouths, So we don't we
41:04
Speaker 4: don't measure the pain that He's going to give us. Also, Okay,
41:09
Speaker 4: next question, since we get in it and this and this, Uh,
41:14
Speaker 4: on this part, there's there's a lot of challenges here.
41:19
Speaker 4: What happens with some individual has a different uh the
41:24
Speaker 4: religious belief or not not religious belief, the perceive to
41:29
Speaker 4: be challenging to help those individuals.
41:33
Speaker 2: No, I for myself, I always tell them, hey, look,
41:36
Speaker 2: many of the things that I believe at a deeper
41:40
Speaker 2: level are from a Christian ethos, So I will reference
41:44
Speaker 2: the Bible regularly. I believe in Jesus's teachings, and I
41:47
Speaker 2: believe that regardless of your faith background or understanding of
41:51
Speaker 2: those things, they can still teach you deep things kind
41:55
Speaker 2: of like what's your favorite movie and why if you
41:57
Speaker 2: have a favorite movie, you understand that there are stories
42:01
Speaker 2: that inform your life and that captivate your attention and
42:05
Speaker 2: that you can move forward with like you bringing up
42:07
Speaker 2: Forrest Gump just a little bit ago, right, is a
42:09
Speaker 2: great example of that. And similarly, I want them to
42:12
Speaker 2: know where I'm coming from and that I'm not pushing
42:16
Speaker 2: that on anybody. But at the same time, I want
42:18
Speaker 2: them to understand that if what I'm saying doesn't make sense,
42:23
Speaker 2: then I don't know how it's to explain it. At
42:27
Speaker 2: the same time, it's important to me for my clients
42:30
Speaker 2: to understand that the science doesn't change the way I
42:33
Speaker 2: believe it is that God made the world and that
42:37
Speaker 2: we explore the world through science, and that's actually a
42:41
Speaker 2: faith based process.
42:43
Speaker 3: By the way, that's what science does.
42:44
Speaker 2: We make a hypothesis, we think this is going to
42:46
Speaker 2: happen this way, and then we have the faith to
42:48
Speaker 2: run the experiment, and then we have the honesty to
42:51
Speaker 2: look at the results and say what actually is that's truth? Right,
42:56
Speaker 2: So faith leads the process, rationality examines the process, and
43:03
Speaker 2: then truth is what emerges as a result. Right, And
43:05
Speaker 2: the same thing goes in your journey with your body.
43:08
Speaker 2: I can tell you, Elena, that squats are good for
43:11
Speaker 2: your legs. You can go, yeah, yeah, that sounds right.
43:15
Speaker 2: I believe squats are good for my legs. And I
43:17
Speaker 2: can even explain to you the proper form to do
43:20
Speaker 2: a squat so that there's not so much pain in
43:22
Speaker 2: your knees and so that you bypass the issues with
43:24
Speaker 2: your ankles, and so you use your butt and your
43:26
Speaker 2: glute muscles get to fire.
43:27
Speaker 3: Right.
43:28
Speaker 2: I can tell you those things, But until you and
43:30
Speaker 2: I actually do some squats, nothing changes. Right, So, regardless
43:36
Speaker 2: of your belief system, the faith to do something, the
43:41
Speaker 2: faith to actually practice it, and then the rationality to
43:46
Speaker 2: examine and say, okay, how did that go?
43:48
Speaker 3: What was the result? Is there anything that needs to change?
43:52
Speaker 2: Regardless of your faith background, your faith and rationality are
43:57
Speaker 2: going to have to work together to put the science
43:59
Speaker 2: into practices.
44:00
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you. That was perfect In this moment. There's
44:09
Speaker 4: probably many individuals listening or not. We're not round right,
44:14
Speaker 4: we're recording this, but thinking I was not giving the
44:19
Speaker 4: opportunity to exercise because I was born with a specific condition, illness, syndrome,
44:27
Speaker 4: or challenge, and it doesn't allow me to exercise and
44:34
Speaker 4: we're talking about adults, and there's nothing else I can do.
44:39
Speaker 4: I was told that I have this condition, and it's
44:44
Speaker 4: terri fine to think about me finding the right person
44:49
Speaker 4: because I don't know how and who is going to understand.
44:53
Speaker 4: So the first question I have is, how do you
44:55
Speaker 4: evaluate every situation? Or do you evaluate every single sea
45:00
Speaker 4: situation since we have different challenges, right.
45:03
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
45:04
Speaker 2: When I work with individuals, I always have a set
45:08
Speaker 2: of questions that I ask to understand their story. And
45:11
Speaker 2: really it's that simple. Tell me your story, how'd you
45:14
Speaker 2: get here? And people will tell me. They will tell
45:19
Speaker 2: me things like my doctor told me I'll never run again,
45:21
Speaker 2: or they'll tell me things like I wrestle with pain
45:23
Speaker 2: every day, or they'll tell me things like like I
45:26
Speaker 2: really messed up my shoulder and I'm pretty sure it's
45:29
Speaker 2: beyond help, you know, something like that.
45:31
Speaker 3: So they'll tell me what the issue.
45:34
Speaker 2: Is correct, And then I have to ask, what would
45:39
Speaker 2: you like to see happen? And that's an interesting question
45:43
Speaker 2: because because if I can look at the challenge and
45:49
Speaker 2: I can say I would really like to see this happen,
45:53
Speaker 2: I would really like to see this change, then my
45:58
Speaker 2: job as a coach is to take what I understand
46:00
Speaker 2: about the science and encourage my client in the direction
46:05
Speaker 2: of the thing they see as possible. And for me,
46:10
Speaker 2: I love that process. I think it's an amazing process
46:13
Speaker 2: and I have yet to meet anybody who couldn't get better.
46:17
Speaker 2: One of my most challenged clients that I ever worked
46:20
Speaker 2: with our work together was mostly in a recliner. He
46:25
Speaker 2: didn't generally move from this position, and we did recliner
46:31
Speaker 2: based exercises for his arms, we did recliner based exercises
46:34
Speaker 2: for his legs, and he even got to where he
46:36
Speaker 2: could stand up and walk without pain for four hundred yards,
46:40
Speaker 2: which is a really big deal because up until we
46:42
Speaker 2: started working together, he hadn't left his house in seven years.
46:46
Speaker 2: So I believe that no matter who you are, where
46:50
Speaker 2: you're starting, you can get better if you're willing to try.
46:55
Speaker 2: That's how the body works. But it's a question of
46:58
Speaker 2: understanding what's the next step need to look like, and
47:02
Speaker 2: that's my job.
47:03
Speaker 4: For individuals specifically with challenge. Let's continue specifically speak about challenges.
47:13
Speaker 4: There are scared, there are scared to see nobody is
47:16
Speaker 4: going to understand my pain, Nobody is going to really
47:18
Speaker 4: truly understand how I feel. What makes you the right coach.
47:24
Speaker 3: For me.
47:24
Speaker 2: I can't always say I understand how you feel, but
47:27
Speaker 2: what I can say is by hearing your story, I
47:30
Speaker 2: can develop compassion and love for where you're at. Because
47:33
Speaker 2: there was a time in my life where I was
47:35
Speaker 2: told I'll never run again. There are times in my
47:37
Speaker 2: life where I've been in so much pain I would
47:39
Speaker 2: rather just not be here anymore. There are times in
47:42
Speaker 2: my life where I didn't know how I was going
47:44
Speaker 2: to be there for the people around me, and wasn't
47:48
Speaker 2: sure what my value was at all because of the
47:50
Speaker 2: condition of my body or how I felt in it.
47:54
Speaker 2: And so for me, I really resonate with that difficulty
47:59
Speaker 2: because I understand and what that feels like. And I
48:01
Speaker 2: also want whoever is listening, who's in that position, to
48:04
Speaker 2: know you don't get to give up. You're valuable and
48:08
Speaker 2: you matter. You're here on purpose for a purpose, and
48:11
Speaker 2: if we can keep that in our hearts in our minds,
48:14
Speaker 2: then we'll just take it one day at a time.
48:18
Speaker 4: How if there's an individual in that situation and things
48:26
Speaker 4: that you're amazing, But I don't know if I can
48:29
Speaker 4: do that even with the example of the individual in
48:32
Speaker 4: the couch. I still don't know. My condition could be different,
48:37
Speaker 4: or I have really not exercise in a long time,
48:40
Speaker 4: or I have never exercised, And I don't know if
48:45
Speaker 4: really I'm capable, because you know, the number one thing
48:48
Speaker 4: that stops us or makes us move is fear, the
48:53
Speaker 4: number one emotion. Right, So how do we actually going
49:01
Speaker 4: compromise or married to the idea that I am different?
49:06
Speaker 4: If we go back to the reference and the movie
49:10
Speaker 4: for its gun, what made difference is that somewhere along
49:13
Speaker 4: the line he believed in himself more than his mom did, right,
49:17
Speaker 4: and he was you know, and the first time he
49:19
Speaker 4: broke through those obstacles and the legs was because the
49:23
Speaker 4: girl was saying run right. So there's always a voice
49:28
Speaker 4: or either regardless if it's exterior or our own voice,
49:32
Speaker 4: who's going to make the difference. So I can't. I've
49:36
Speaker 4: never had that exercise. It is going to be very difficult,
49:40
Speaker 4: It's going to be painful. I don't know. He sounds great,
49:45
Speaker 4: but my condition probably is different. What would you say
49:48
Speaker 4: to that?
49:50
Speaker 2: I would say it's less about having faith than me
49:52
Speaker 2: as a coach, and more about having faith in yourself.
49:55
Speaker 2: That you're not done yet. For me, that's a fa
50:00
Speaker 2: than God thing. If if I wasn't, if I was
50:03
Speaker 2: done here on this earth, if I had nothing left
50:05
Speaker 2: that I needed to do, nothing else to pursue, then
50:09
Speaker 2: in my mind, I'd be in heaven. I'd I'd be done.
50:12
Speaker 2: I'm out. Uh and and so and so what I
50:16
Speaker 2: often say in my work and what I often say
50:18
Speaker 2: in our community and even to some of my clients,
50:23
Speaker 2: be faithful because God's not done with you yet, and
50:26
Speaker 2: so We're going to make the most out of what
50:27
Speaker 2: over time we have left. And that's if that's your attitude,
50:31
Speaker 2: then then I'm the coach who has compassion for that.
50:35
Speaker 2: But if that's not your attitude, I can't give that
50:37
Speaker 2: to you. You have to you have to believe you're
50:40
Speaker 2: not done yet.
50:41
Speaker 4: And I specifically as this question because as you said earlier,
50:45
Speaker 4: the doing, you know, when they don't feel like they
50:48
Speaker 4: can do anything, is also going to a depression. Right
50:52
Speaker 4: there are in a state of depression where they might thing,
50:55
Speaker 4: this is so painful, I don't know what to do
50:58
Speaker 4: that maybe exiting this lie it will be the best option.
51:03
Speaker 4: Right to get to that specific said, So let's give
51:11
Speaker 4: me another shot. This person is extremely depressed, not just
51:16
Speaker 4: thinking I can't do it, but it's extremely depressed and
51:20
Speaker 4: ready to take it to the next level.
51:26
Speaker 2: This is an important question to me, and it's going
51:27
Speaker 2: to be hard not to be emotional about it. But
51:29
Speaker 2: I lost my brother to suicide on December sixth of
51:33
Speaker 2: last year. So he's ten years younger than me. He
51:37
Speaker 2: does not have Ealers dan Loos, but he wrestled with
51:41
Speaker 2: a methamphetamine addiction and it got bad enough that he
51:45
Speaker 2: decided it was too painful to continue living. And we
51:48
Speaker 2: as a family found out about that. It was a
51:51
Speaker 2: surprise to all of us. We didn't know that this
51:54
Speaker 2: is something he was contemplating and that this is something
51:56
Speaker 2: he was going to act on.
51:58
Speaker 3: Right.
51:58
Speaker 2: And so what I would say is, there's there's actually
52:01
Speaker 2: a picture here between my life and my brother's life.
52:04
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I have everything figured out. There's
52:07
Speaker 2: something I want people to understand about their personal pain.
52:11
Speaker 2: There are people who love you and who want the
52:14
Speaker 2: best for you in your life, even if you don't
52:16
Speaker 2: know it. They don't always express it, but they're there.
52:20
Speaker 2: And what happens when you take your own life, you
52:24
Speaker 2: might end the pain for yourself, but you take that
52:28
Speaker 2: pain and throw it on everybody who loves you. And
52:32
Speaker 2: so what that what I learned from from that experience
52:34
Speaker 2: with my brother is is there is a deep anger
52:39
Speaker 2: in me toward that because I love him, I wanted
52:42
Speaker 2: the best for him. I would have I would have
52:45
Speaker 2: stepped in as a good big brother to him if
52:47
Speaker 2: he would have told his family and friends what he
52:50
Speaker 2: was struggling with, and he did not.
52:52
Speaker 3: He faced that alone.
52:54
Speaker 2: And what I would say is, if you're in that space,
52:58
Speaker 2: I want you to know that you're value and I
53:01
Speaker 2: want you to know that even if you don't understand
53:03
Speaker 2: the love for the people around you, just speaking that
53:07
Speaker 2: and voicing that and getting help with that will help
53:09
Speaker 2: you to see that you can indeed step forward in
53:13
Speaker 2: your own pain and that it's so much better than
53:17
Speaker 2: taking what you're wrestling with and throwing that pain on
53:20
Speaker 2: other people.
53:21
Speaker 3: And so I want you to continue.
53:23
Speaker 2: If not just for yourself, continue wrestling with that because
53:28
Speaker 2: you don't want to do that to the people who
53:29
Speaker 2: love you.
53:31
Speaker 4: Thank you, Alex. Now for the individuals who are in
53:36
Speaker 4: that specific situation and the family members who know they
53:41
Speaker 4: have a challenge but they don't know to what degree,
53:44
Speaker 4: and they perceive that individuals are depressed, what would you
53:49
Speaker 4: say to them to take a step and getting closer
53:54
Speaker 4: and let them help them get that out of their
53:58
Speaker 4: voice it out right because they cover and they hide
54:03
Speaker 4: it for some reason instead of yeah.
54:08
Speaker 2: It actually comes back to what we talked about with pain.
54:13
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying the emotional pain of suicidal ideation
54:17
Speaker 2: is the same thing as a knee scrape, but the
54:21
Speaker 2: process to wrestle with it is the same. The first
54:24
Speaker 2: thing that has to happen is acknowledging it, because that
54:29
Speaker 2: sort of thing grows more powerful in the dark. That
54:33
Speaker 2: sort of thing grows more powerful in shame. And so
54:37
Speaker 2: when I try to cover it up, or when I
54:40
Speaker 2: try to avoid it, or when I try to act
54:42
Speaker 2: like it doesn't exist, it gets bigger and stronger, and
54:47
Speaker 2: it really will take you over.
54:49
Speaker 3: It really will win.
54:51
Speaker 2: And when we acknowledge something, it doesn't go away, but
54:56
Speaker 2: we remove the capacity for it to grow more powerful.
55:00
Speaker 2: And so if I can say to my loved ones,
55:04
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to upset you. I know you probably
55:06
Speaker 2: can't understand, but there are times that I feel like
55:11
Speaker 2: it would be better if I wasn't here there are
55:14
Speaker 2: times that I feel like my pain's too great and
55:17
Speaker 2: I just want to be done with it. There are
55:20
Speaker 2: times when I feel like I'm alone and I you know,
55:24
Speaker 2: I might as well not not keep wrestling with this anymore.
55:29
Speaker 2: When you can acknowledge that, when you can say that
55:32
Speaker 2: and get really serious, like get specific, speak the truth.
55:35
Speaker 2: If you're wrestling with that, I almost killed myself last week,
55:39
Speaker 2: If that's where you're at, acknowledge that. That's the first
55:44
Speaker 2: step to getting rid of the power of that thing
55:48
Speaker 2: in shame in the same way that it's the first
55:51
Speaker 2: step to dealing with pain. And when you acknowledge that,
55:56
Speaker 2: then the people in your life who care about you
56:00
Speaker 2: and actually step in and help you to wrestle with
56:02
Speaker 2: it in the same way that I was there for
56:04
Speaker 2: my little boy when his knee got all scraped up. Hey,
56:08
Speaker 2: it's going to be okay. We're going to get it
56:10
Speaker 2: taken care of. Look at me, You're strong, You'll be
56:13
Speaker 2: all right. And I mean, the pain doesn't go away immediately,
56:16
Speaker 2: but that's the first step to healing, and if you're
56:18
Speaker 2: wrestling with suicide, you need to take a step in
56:20
Speaker 2: the direction of healing.
56:21
Speaker 3: Acknowledging is the first step.
56:25
Speaker 4: Excellent. Thank you for someone who has deal with for
56:33
Speaker 4: many years now with a diagnosed autoimmune condition, who never
56:41
Speaker 4: had a relationship with exercise, have found you as a
56:45
Speaker 4: coach has been inspiring and.
56:52
Speaker 3: You have.
56:54
Speaker 4: You have definitely that you said, I don't want to cry,
56:58
Speaker 4: but inspire me to know that my dreams can come
57:06
Speaker 4: true because I would not lose my movement and my
57:08
Speaker 4: buddy and I want to acknowledge you and thank you
57:12
Speaker 4: for that.
57:14
Speaker 3: You got it. Well, you're not here to give me
57:15
Speaker 3: a hug, so can we give like a knuckle bump
57:17
Speaker 3: or something.
57:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Thank you for being here today. Thank
57:25
Speaker 4: you for inspiring the world. And I can definitely say
57:29
Speaker 4: that when I was terrified and not to know who
57:33
Speaker 4: to believe, I had a lip of faith. I let
57:39
Speaker 4: my my intuition guide me and you have been the
57:44
Speaker 4: perfect the perfect coach. So Alex. For those who are listening,
57:50
Speaker 4: where can they find you?
57:52
Speaker 2: You can find all my work at Faithful Fitness. So
57:55
Speaker 2: faithfulfitnessdevo dot com has my book and it's a book
58:00
Speaker 2: because it takes forty days to walk through that journey
58:03
Speaker 2: for sure. You can also find my work on YouTube
58:06
Speaker 2: with interviews and also solo podcasts at faithful Fitness oorg.
58:12
Speaker 2: You can also download our app, Faithfulfitness at faithfulfitness dot co.
58:18
Speaker 4: And just to be clear, where are you located in
58:24
Speaker 4: where are your clients?
58:27
Speaker 2: We're located in Greenbrier, Arkansas, and my clients are all
58:32
Speaker 2: over the world. So I have the opportunity to work
58:35
Speaker 2: in person with a few people locally, but for the
58:38
Speaker 2: vast majority of my clients, I work with them virtually
58:42
Speaker 2: and you can connect with me regardless of where you're at.
58:46
Speaker 4: And I can definitely be certain to say that no
58:50
Speaker 4: matter how far you are, you feel really close to
58:52
Speaker 4: us because you definitely monitor everything on a daily basis.
58:57
Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you for caring, but I'm not speaking
59:02
Speaker 4: about humanity. Thank you for caring about yourself because that's
59:05
Speaker 4: where we start, right and then you know, putting our
59:08
Speaker 4: own map so we can help olders.
59:10
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
59:11
Speaker 2: And thank you, Elena, because I'm very blessed to be
59:15
Speaker 2: in your corner and honored to be your coach. You're
59:17
Speaker 2: a hard working person and I'm excited to continue helping
59:20
Speaker 2: you shine your life.
59:21
Speaker 4: Thank you. You're actually very interesting, but it's definitely has
59:25
Speaker 4: about it. Did you ask me today, are we gonna?
59:28
Speaker 4: Are we sure we're gonna do this? Because I just
59:30
Speaker 4: fall in right, and it brings a lot of things,
59:34
Speaker 4: a lot of charges, and my movement changes. But but
59:40
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that I can continue because
59:44
Speaker 4: my mission is bigger than my life. My mission, my
59:47
Speaker 4: purpose will continue even when I'm not here in this world.
59:51
Speaker 4: And when you have someone so inspiring in your corner,
59:58
Speaker 4: you just have to go.
1:00:00
Speaker 3: Just you can't not do it.
1:00:03
Speaker 4: Option, Okay, two things. I have a tradition of what
1:00:09
Speaker 4: I call fire rapid questions. I say one or two words,
1:00:13
Speaker 4: and you answer as quick as you can with one
1:00:16
Speaker 4: or two words. No stories, okay. And then once we finished.
1:00:20
Speaker 4: But before I do that, I want to ask you,
1:00:25
Speaker 4: who do you perceive is a person the right person
1:00:29
Speaker 4: to be in this podcast? Someone who you know intimately
1:00:32
Speaker 4: or not, someone who's famous or.
1:00:35
Speaker 3: Not, Oh, the right person to interview with you?
1:00:39
Speaker 4: Yes?
1:00:39
Speaker 2: Correct, man, you ask such good questions. I'm thinking of
1:00:47
Speaker 2: two people. One you probably don't know of and the
1:00:49
Speaker 2: other you do. There's a there's there's a guy who
1:00:54
Speaker 2: runs the CrossFit gym down the street here in Greenbrier, Arkansas,
1:00:59
Speaker 2: and he's a good due he's been through a lot
1:01:01
Speaker 2: of things in his life. He's also a little softer
1:01:04
Speaker 2: spoken than I am, so if you really want to
1:01:06
Speaker 2: get to know him, you have to ask good questions
1:01:08
Speaker 2: and listen.
1:01:09
Speaker 3: But he's a he's a great guy. His name's Jason.
1:01:12
Speaker 2: So he would be a perfect person to connect with
1:01:14
Speaker 2: on your podcast if if he's willing to talk to you,
1:01:17
Speaker 2: and if you're willing to talk to him, And then
1:01:21
Speaker 2: and then the second person that came to mind is
1:01:24
Speaker 2: actually think you would have a very good conversation with
1:01:28
Speaker 2: the guy who runs the Diary Diary of a CEO podcast.
1:01:33
Speaker 2: I don't know if you if you know him or not,
1:01:36
Speaker 2: but but he's he's a genuine guy with a great,
1:01:39
Speaker 2: great accent. And between the two of you, even if
1:01:41
Speaker 2: I didn't know what you were saying, I'd just be
1:01:43
Speaker 2: happy to listen.
1:01:45
Speaker 4: Thank you. I would love to He's in my he's
1:01:48
Speaker 4: in my list of he's in my bucket list, and
1:01:52
Speaker 4: he'll be in this podcast one day.
1:01:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
1:01:57
Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you. With that for that, I'm gonna
1:02:00
Speaker 4: ask you the fire rapid questions and then at the
1:02:02
Speaker 4: end you will have the opportunity to bring us some
1:02:05
Speaker 4: words of wisdom. I also want to tell I also
1:02:08
Speaker 4: want to say to the listeners and to the viewers
1:02:11
Speaker 4: viewers that this specific episode was about addressing challenges, but
1:02:19
Speaker 4: we're going to have another episode for individuals who have
1:02:22
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Speaker 4: a discipline, authority not me, leadership a choice, parents, honorable, authenticity,
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Speaker 4: necessary love, language, words of affirmation, transformation, inevitable with hard work, education,
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Speaker 4: honesty and truth, men necessary, time, unstoppable, fear, worth facing, knowledge,
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Speaker 4: a gift fulfillment.
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Speaker 2: Right here, pornography, digital sugar, society a project connection right here, discrimination,
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Speaker 2: lack of love, It's spirituality, necessary God, a good father, service,
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Speaker 2: meaningful music, a gift, values, hard won sons. O. N.
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Speaker 2: Gabriel and Bennett, Legacy, Gabriel and Bennett.
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Speaker 4: I love the name Gabriel, by the way, because it
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Speaker 4: sounds it spells the same way English and Spanish, and
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Speaker 4: he's the name of an angel. Emotions signals identity.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: Hard one husband, sacrificial wife, also sacrificial empowerment, weight training, monogamy,
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Speaker 2: also sacrificial polygamy. Sugary Let's sugar baby.
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Speaker 3: A gift.
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Speaker 2: Pain also a gift hmmm. Sex a very big gift. Money,
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Speaker 2: something to Steward family.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 3: Brothers and sisters, the physical body, the buddy also a
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Speaker 3: gift to Steward.
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Speaker 2: Conversation mm hm. Meat and potatoes, manhood yes, mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: Hard one.
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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Birth right.
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Speaker 2: Irrevocable in Timothy, necessary and worth, fighting for wealth.
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Speaker 3: H misunderstood death mm hmm. The one thing we all
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Speaker 3: have in common life, something to make the most out
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Speaker 3: of and last but not least love God.
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Speaker 4: H thank you, Alex. I'm gonna it's been. It's been
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Speaker 4: very inspiring to be here and having you and with
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Speaker 4: your radiant self. I don't get to see of you
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Speaker 4: a lad. So this is this is this is cool
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Speaker 4: and inspiring, very inspiring to have you in my corner,
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Speaker 4: like I said before, and to close this this episode,
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Speaker 4: you have already said where where we can find you?
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Speaker 4: And I would love for you. Please to close this
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Speaker 4: episode with some words or wisdom, So give us your wisdom.
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Speaker 2: I would actually like to close in prayer, and maybe
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Speaker 2: that would be wise. Perfect Father, God, thank you for
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Speaker 2: this day and this awesome opportunity to spend time with Elena.
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Speaker 2: I pray that this conversation has been a blessing to
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Speaker 2: everybody listening. And I also pray a special prayer for
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Speaker 2: my friends listening who are wrestling with whether or not
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Speaker 2: they are worthwhile and whether or not they can have
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Speaker 2: the strength to continue. Got to pray that they would
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Speaker 2: find their value in the fact that you made them
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Speaker 2: on purpose, for a purpose, and then their life matters.
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Speaker 2: Give them the strength and the courage they need to
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Speaker 2: step forward and make the most out of one more day.
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Speaker 2: Ask these things in Jesus name.
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Speaker 4: Amen, Amen, thank you, thank you for that, Thank you
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Speaker 4: for being authentic.
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Speaker 2: You.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate for you. Lena, thanks for the time, and.
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Speaker 4: I appreciate you too, and I'll see you soon again.
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