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Ohio State Football Insider: Buckeyes Turning The Page After Notre Dame · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to a very very special live edition of Buckeyes Tourrow Morning for Thursday,
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September twenty eighth. I'm your host, Tel Moore. The Maryland game is
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in nine days. Dmiguesst Michigan. Michigan is in fifty eight days. Tony
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Gerderman more than nine days, I mean more than seven days. Means hey,
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it must be the week off for Ohio State. Never a week off
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here though, in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center, I got to talk to
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three Buckeyes on Wednesday. Talk to com McCord, talk to a Mecca Abuca,
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talk to Cody Simon. Three players who have had relatively I had relatively
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eventful gate days on a Saturday. I guess let's start with Cody Simon.
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He was the first one to come out. We'll start. Seems only fair.
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You know, we have talked now several times about the fact that we
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didn't talk about the fact that he made this incredible play to get a fourth
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down stop on Sam Hartman, and you know, he was asked about just
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that play in general and his you know, he was doing one thing and
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then he had to very quickly shift modes to get do something else and do
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it very quickly before Sam Hartman crossed the first down line. Yeah, and
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being on the field like you're on the field, but you don't know exactly
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where you are on the field. And he talked about not knowing exactly where
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he was and where Sam Hartman needed to get. But at some point you've
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got to make the decision to leave the coverage and go get the quarterback.
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And he couldn't. He couldn't have made a better choice at that point because
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if you leave too soon, then you get thrown over the top and unless
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there's some lineman downfield, but that's not something that he's really focused on that
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sort of thing. He's just either I've got my guy and I've got this
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guy running to me. So he made the right decision and just stopped him
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in time. The officials never see the lineman downfield, so it wouldn't expect
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the linebacker to do that the interest. One of the interesting things that I
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liked about just his entire day was somebody asked him, you know, how
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do you stay ready or how do you how can you handle just being thrown
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in there? And he said, like, I am prepared to play every
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single play. You have to do that in practice. You have to be
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ready and prepared to play as if you were going to play every single play
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because you don't know exactly when you're going to get thrown in there. And
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that's one of those instances. Now. I think this week, they this
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past week they had an idea that they were going to go more three linebackers.
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I don't think he knew he was going to go and play in place
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of steel Chambers at times. That's that was something new. But the fact
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that he was prepared for whatever allowed whatever to happen in Ohio State's favor.
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Something else that probably helped him get prepared is he sounds like he has a
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much better grasp of the Gymnoles defense right now. And you know he talked
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about it. I mean, what did he what did he say, like
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he he understands what Knowles is thinking at all times. You asked him about
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that, well, I did ask if it's a scary place, and he's
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like, yeah, that's narrowly scary, but it is something that we've talked
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about all year long. That's being in the same defense two years in a
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row and just having a better idea of not just what the defense does what
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you do in the defense, but what Jim Knowles wants to see in that
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defense of what he's thinking, what his tendencies may be. But the ability
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to communicate things in a very quick manner allows them to do so many different
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things. All Right, we're going to communicate very quickly with a super chat,
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a very generous super chat from Treasure of the Tora. This is just
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a little something special to Kevin, Tom and Tony. Much love and respect
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from Treasure of the Tour. Love and respect Buck Nation. Something tells me
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we're definitely making the playoffs this year. Go Buckeyes. Well, thank you
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very thanks, always appreciate it. Always love seeing familiar names in the chat
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as well. I was kind of looking over kevin shoulder as he was streaming
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the interviews earlier, and I was like, oh, I know that might
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know damn, I know that always good has see you guys back there and
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appreciate your appreciate everyone's support. Okay, let's let's derail for a moment.
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I was thinking about this earlier, the fact that Ohio State and Michigan and
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Penn State dot through the non conference portion of the schedule unbeaten and Michigan has
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who in a half losable games left if you include Maryland. Penn State has
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maybe just two losable games left, Ohio State in Michigan, Ohio State has
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a couple, and then you know the Penn State Michigan games. Maybe I
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mean Maryland. Theoretically that'd be more of a concern in College Park. Maybe
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Wisconsin. You know that I think is week after Penn State. That's a
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little bit of a concern, maybe produe just because Ross State stateam is haunted.
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But you know, when you look at those teams getting through and you
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look at Ohio State having a really signature road win, now, it sure
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feels like the Big Ten East is in line for if anyone was going to
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get two teams in the playoff, it sure feels like the Big Ten East
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has put itself in a pretty decent position to be the one that gets two
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teams in this year. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy when it's two Big
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Ten teams at two pack twelve teams playoffs. Man, I gotta tell you
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a year without an SEC team in the playoff, Like, I kind of
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want to see that, just to see what happens. That you hear the
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term end of the world throwing around a lot, but down in the Sweet
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Tea Belt that literally might be viewed as the end of the world. They
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may just hold their own playoffs. Yeah, and then Crown Alabama. Everybody
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gets a national Championship trophy. You know, that's the Fort Sumter Cup for
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the Secession trophy. The way the PAC twelve is going right now is crazy.
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And but I think you're right. These three Big ten East teams,
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it's it's hard for me to imagine. I guess one of them going and
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defeated through this. It feels like they're gonna knock each other off and then
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we're right back to square one. And we have seen the Big ten change
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rules mid stream before, you know, the COVID year when everything was you
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know, malleable is who would object? Who would object? Not even a
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Big ten West would object. Have you said this year the Big ten West
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is not invited to the Big Ten Championship. Here's the thing. This is
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a year when the ACC has already done that. The PAC twelve has already
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done that. So you know, I think if you look right now,
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and I think Washington and Oregon are probably the two best teams in the PAC
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twelve right now, probably ahead of USC because those teams both employed defensive coordinators,
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so that's puts them in a little bit of an advantage. If those
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two teams play, they play in a few weeks. I think in the
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old model they would go play USC or whoever comes out of the South.
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Now those two teams might play again, so you might have if the same
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team wins twice, well, if USC loses a couple of games, If
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you know, one of those teams loses a couple of games, you're only
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getting one out of the PAC twelve. The ACC same deal Florida State.
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I assume florist it must still play Miami this year. They might play Miami
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again in the ACC championship game, which would how beautiful would it be that
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after years and years and years of set up the division someone that you had
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those teams they never played, and then the first year they don't have divisions
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then they played. That would be magnifficent. But either way, you're talking
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about the fact that the Big ten East champion would play the Big ten West
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champion. That's probably good for everyone in the Big Ten East because then you
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don't have a team taking that second loss potentially. So just the thought on
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that I was I was thinking about that was walking the dog this morning,
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just that, boy, this is sure setting up well for the Big Ten
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to potentially get two teams in again this year. Yeah, very much so.
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And we talked about that possibility early in the season there before the year
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just because and I don't know that we've really talked about Penn State being one
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of those two teams and maybe maybe we should spend more time talking about them
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moving forward. Well, I mean, they just met Iowa's offense look bad,
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and not just anyone can do that, not just anyone, but almost
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almost anyone. All right. So now so thank you to Treasure to the
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Tour again for that very generous super chat. We appreciate it. Now now
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back to our regularly scheduled programming. Let's talk a little bit about calm accord
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because Calm McCord, you know, most of the folks in our audience probably
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watch kl McCord on TV on Saturday night. Sounds like KLM McCord went home
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and watch KLM McCord on TV on Sunday, And you know that that sounds
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like a really like almost an out of body experience for him to do that
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absolutely add to be and he did talk a little bit about the how weird
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it was, and he meant he sits down and he mentions that it's like
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he said, he had butterflies watching it because you don't know how it's going
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to end. And it reminded me of every year as a kid would when
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I would watch Wizard of Oz. I'm never really sure that, you know,
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Dorothy and Everybody's gonna make it home and finish the drill, flying monkeys,
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that sort of thing. It's like, oh, you know, everything
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is so scary. But like he lived through it and he still like,
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oh, you know. That's why I asked him, like, what's going
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through your mind when you're watching it and you throw that almost interception And he's
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like, well it was it was a bad read and you know, things
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like that. But it was also interesting when he said, watching you on
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TV, everything moves so quickly, so fast, but when you're on the
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field and you're going through it, everything is so much slower. He's like,
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I could hear myself breathing. You know, everything is it's that is
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where you like the adrenaline and it kind of slows time down because you are
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so focused and you're so prepared and talk about that, you know, like
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firefighters and rescuing people. Are you know, mother's lifting cars off of children
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when everything around you is moving slower because you're just firing on all of your
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cylinders properly. And yes he was a hero rescuing children from beneath the car
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and Notre Dame. But just that you knowing what's happened, you've lived through
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it, and now you're watching it from an entirely new perspective, and you
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kind of watching it through the broadcasters, watching it through the fans, because
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another thing when you talk to players, they don't necessarily hear the fans when
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things are going on, when the game is going on. It did remind
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me of one time I was talking to Brian Roll about his two point conversion
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returned to win against Navy, and he told me he was like floating above
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watching himself run it back like live, and it was you know, that
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was like an actual out of body experience. This was just a I'm going
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to watch it on the DVR later experience. Yeah, that was That's so
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interesting to me because you hear young guys talk about, you know, freshman
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year to sophomore year, the game starts slowing down for you. If the
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game's slowing down to that point where you're getting it in like super slow mo,
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that's probably a good indication of where klmic Chord sort of is in his
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progression. And how do you guys always talking about when whenever you ask guys,
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how do you know? How do you get better at that? How
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do you get better at recognizing stuff? What do they always say? Experience?
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Watching film? Watching films? Against are looking for? We have some
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multily parting gifts, both experience and watching film, the experience of watching the
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experience of watching film. Yes, And what do we hear people this is
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this is gonna be Tony. I'm going to lead you into this one.
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What do we always hear people talk about how much calmic Chord does buys vowels
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experience? Sorry? Sorry, yes, watching film? Commichord is the guy
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who you've heard so you heard this about you heard this about Justin Fields,
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first guy in, last guy out watching film watching film? You? I
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mean, who was it last week that talked about? Was it a mecca?
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Marv? One of them talked about you know you you'll see I'm Donovan
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Jackson. Anyway, one of the players on the football team talked last weeks
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about the fact that you'll, you know, see Colm Records sitting in the
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hot top watching film and you'll tell him like, you gotta go home,
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and and he'll just pretend not to hear. You're pruning up. You can't
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even swipe anymore. So you know, that's that's just reps. That that's
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just that is how you get better. That is how the game slows down.
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And so it makes sense the game and and everybody talked about how Mecca
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talked about it not to move on, but this is kind of in that
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same vein, like you're only going to get a certain number of reps for
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each of these plays throughout the week, and it maybe one rep, it
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maybe two reps. You may be watching a mental right, you may be
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watching somebody else take time rep, but it all has to count because anytime
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that play can can happen during a game, and so you need to be
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paying attention, you need to be fall because the ultimate focus on whatever is
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happening, even if you're not out there running that play, because that play
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is being practiced for a reason. But there's only so many hours in a
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work week for these guys to actually get those practices and those plays in,
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so like, not everybody's going to get to practice every single play, but
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they have to be able to run it in a game. Yeah, and
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that's that's something that you know. I mean, we hear guys talk about
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mental reps all the time when they're injured. Guys tell what mental reps when
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they're the backup. And you know, Kyl McCord went through a lot of
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this year, probably less than normal because they ran the two field thing during
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during fall camp. But you know, all those reps are precious, and
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that's that's why, you know, a couple weeks ago we were talking about
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back game, you probably need to make a decision because the reps are the
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ones. Those are very precious, So making the most of those is big.
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Heys. Speaking of wide receivers, just a quick update from here inside
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the Woody Hayes Athletics Center. We had said earlier in the week submitted asked
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us, you know what's the lightest on Marvin Harrison. We had said,
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like, well, if we don't see him in there working on the Monarch
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machine, it'll be a big red flag. Good news. He was in
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here working on the Monarch machine, just standing there catching passes. But he
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was him and Xavier Johnson and Rees Stocksdale and they were all just standing there,
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So it wasn't like everyone else was running in. Marv wasn't. You
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know. He did not have like a you know, enormous walking boot on
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his right ankle or anything like that. Looked pretty fine to me. So,
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you know, especially with a week off this weekend, obviously that is
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uh. You know, you saw him come back. You wondered if that
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was adrenaline and painkillers and whatever to get him back out there. But you
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know the fact that he's out here four days later, that's a very good
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sign on an area where I'm sure Oh High State fans had a little bit
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of lingering concerning yeah, and I guarantee there are some adrenaline. And then
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watching them walk off the field. Xavier Johnson after the game was helping Marvin
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walk off field. He is obviously under his own power, but doing a
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little leaning on the block oh as well. It's always interesting watching because it's
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it's usually the same guys and sometimes a MECA will be in there with them,
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But watching Marvin Harrison and Xavier Johnson feeding the Monarch Machine for re Stocksdale,
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who has been injured all season. Yeah, and yet they're still helping
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him, you know, work on that. Today they're working on low throws,
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which seems like the most annoying throws to work on, you know,
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like right down, worm burners at your feet, trying to catch those.
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The machine is amazing to just you know, tell, tell what you want,
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but it's just cool to see like a future NFL number one draft pick,
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a future current captain of the Ohio State football team, and Restocksdale,
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a walk on who's been injured and isn't playing, but they're still working with
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him as if it was a Mecca Julian and Marvin And if you want to
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see a little bit of video, I just tweeted out like twenty seconds,
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not sorry, not tweeted. Instagrammed out about twenty seconds in that video.
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If you look for Buckeye Huddle on Instagram, you can watch a little bit
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of Marvin Harrison catching balls from the Monarch Machine. As I pulled out my
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phone to double check our Instagram handle, I did also notice, hey,
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I forgot to ask you about comicord noticing hey, dam only has ten guys
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in the field and him figuring out, I bet I bet I know vaguely,
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at least vaguely what we're going to do on this final play. Yeah,
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that was interesting because he was asked, when did you notice it?
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And he they noticed it as they're getting that the play call in and as
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they're getting ready to run the role to the right. And then he's thinking,
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well, you know, hopefully they noticed that upstairs, that that Ohio
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State will notice that and then call the right play for that. And that's
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exactly what happened. And the fact that the quarterback notices it, and nobody
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for Notre Dame notices it, and Ohio State even brings in after that incompletion,
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they bring in Chip train him. So Notre Dame could have substituted they
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were they were, they would have been allowed to substitute. I forgot about
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that and right, and that's why, like every every excuse, the only
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thing that makes any sense is the worst possible answer is that nobody at Notre
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Dame realized it. Yeah, because we had talked on the Wednesday episode of
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Buckeye Weekly, we talked about rewatching the game and just how much time there
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was between that second to last play and the last play and offense for Ohio
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State. And how you know I could have run from the sideline over in
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the time that we're talking about, and how they you know, the idea
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that well, they didn't want to get an off side penalty didn't make any
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sense. And I had forgotten that they subbed, so they the refs would
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have held on the game to allow them to bring in a guy. Yet
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no one noticed. Either they don't know the rules of football or no one
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noticed. And oh boy, that's good answer. Well neither is a good
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answer. At least it wasn't a consequential play. I think that's the crew.
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I mean, they stopped him the first time they did. There was
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there was it. Did you see the tweet that was from the Tennessee State
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game where Notre Dame rand had ten guys on the field for a play and
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someone basically said, well, they have to get this cleaned up before they
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play a tougher opponent. Did they get it cleaned up? Tony? No
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interesting anything else from me, Mecca Abuca that was notable to you just just
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the amount of he was another guy talking about the mental reps and that played
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that third nineteen is something that they do and walk throughs on Fridays, they
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don't really get to, like run at full speed, and so just being
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able to execute in full speed in that situation something that you just literally walk
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through and maybe in a hotel room, you know, or wherever that you're
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you're out here, you're not really doing anything full speed, but you know
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the play, you know what it looks like. And then Ameca also talked
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about how when you when you're running plays, you're you're not always going to
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get the defense that you expect or the coverage that you expect, so you
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have to find a way to get by your guy to get to your spot
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where you're supposed to be where your quarterback is going to be throwing the ball.
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And that was a play where they both kind of saw the same thing
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and trusted each other that the other guy saw it as well. Yeah,
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and you see the wrong version of that all. Then when that works like
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it is, it's like, oh, I'm sure that's just how they drew
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it up. When you see you know, when you hear the announcer say,
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oh, they weren't on the same page there, and one guy runs
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an out and one guy runs it up and or one you know, throws
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it out and well the other guys running. Yeah, it's like, oh
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boy, that was and you never know who did the thing, who that
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they were or were not supposed to do. Well. That's again, that's
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watching a lot of film. That's wrapping stuff over and over again and just
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sort of knowing. So, Kevin, do we have any questions that we
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want to get to. Yeah, we got two nineteen, so we got
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to go about ten minutes before we get thrown out of here. Odysseus should
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Ohio State to run more rubb routes and crossing routes earlier, like the one
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to Fleming on fourth and seven? So how much? So rub routes and
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crossing routes those worked best against man coverage and Notre Dame was playing a lot
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more man than I was expecting. Yeah, and it was more than Mecca
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said they were expecting. Like the only time they didn't they weren't man.
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Basically were second and third and long. You know, we we have wondered
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about the play calling in general, and you go in with your own expectations
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and the game plan with those expectations, and then you adjust threw out and
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you know as they as every time Ohire State play somebody, they see stuff
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that they're not they have shown that program hasn't shown before, that defense hasn't
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shown before, because that's what you had to pull out, I guess to
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O High a state. But yeah, I mean, I think any of
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any of those mesh routes, those inside routes, they always did not that
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they always work, but they seem to work pretty well, especially when you
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get you get guys moving left and right. And yeah, I wouldn't I
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wouldn't have objected to that. So yeah, next time quote we just had
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a superject comb and jumps to the top of the line. Mike Karino,
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is there a reason that play wasn't run to the end zone? It seems
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like a mecca had been in the end zone he likely scores. I'm no
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expert, but there could have been something I missed. I think that might
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have been there was a defender behind him, so I think that might have
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been just I think the safety was Yeah, the safety is behind him.
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You know, also recognizing, hey, this line here on the field where
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the little slashy things are, that is a line of some consequence And I'm
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not going to let you know, I'm not going to offer you the opportunity
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to get three yards past that. So I'm to guess that was the decision
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based on where the defender behind him. Wasn't you settle down, you find
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a spot, you catch it, and then you've got a chance to run
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two plays from not very far. Yeah, And that throw was in the
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air before Okay, I was even looking for it. I believe that it
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was. It was Kyla throwing to a spot where the defender wasn't going to
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be in time, and that the receiver would be in time. And if
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you throw that into the end zone there's two guys there, you know,
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it's just not likely to be completed. Frank, I was hard on the
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chord and I was dead wrong. The kids showed hard. Yeah, I
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mean wasn't perfect, as as we said, you know, had that throw
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on that last drive that I think he said, you know what he what
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he said on the field. If he repeated it in front of us,
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Jerry Immig, the sid would probably not be thrilled with him. I'm guessing
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it was like awe Hamburgers or something like that. Was wasn't perfect, sim
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Hartman wasn't perfect. Either and sim Hartman is you know, that was his
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fiftieth I think career start, and it was kylemic Chord's fifth. So for
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a game that a lot of the pregame analysis, rightly or wrongly, and
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this is probably a little bit of an oversimplification in terms of how people were
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looking at it, but a lot of the pregame analysis was, well,
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Notre Dame has a veteran quarterback and Ohio State has this inexperienced guy, and
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you know, in a big moment, you gotta you gotta go at the
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veteran. Well, the inexperienced guy was the one who came up, and
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that's you know that that is a that that shows you a lot about the
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fact that if the moment's not too big for you, you've got enough talent
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around you that all you have to do is do your job. You don't
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have to be a hero, you have to just be able to do your
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job. And he shows you he could do his job. Kyle talked about
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the first two in completions on that drive, and once he got that first
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completion in, he knew they were gonna be okay. And the players always
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said, yea, we knew were going to go down to the score,
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but just getting that first, that first little confidence boost in there. But
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you also talked about visualizing these moments makes it easier to actually get through them
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and accomplish what you're supposed to uplish. And there's all of the the off
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field visualization outside of the study, just like that sort of thing that goes
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into these things. I don't think people really that's nothing you ever see,
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so it's like it doesn't exist, but it exists for all of these guys
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as they're trying to accomplish the highest levels of college football. Well, and
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when you're talking about visual visualization, you're not talking about you know, like
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there were probably a bunch of seven year olds around the state of Ohio pretending
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to be Kyle McCord on Sunday afternoon and leading their leading the Ohio State team
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with the invisible players around them down down the yard for a touchdown. This
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is like sports psychology stuff. They do a lot of mental coaching and that
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kind of stuff here as well, which is that's you know, that's far
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beyond just like well, I'm going to close my eyes and pretend and we'll
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see, you know, I'm I'm the big hero of the game. Again,
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Uh, it's way more involved than that. But that's that's all stuff
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that goes into into this. Tyler, what do you think the defense could
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improve on other than sacks? What could the defense improve on other than sacks?
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You know, I think the stopping the run is one thing that they've
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done well, but they gave up one hundred and seventy six yards to Notre
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Dame. Just staying more gaps sound. I think we saw some issues with
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that, lost leverage a couple of times, but overall, like they have
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the safeties back there to help them as well, so they were able to
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make up for some of those mistakes. I just think just being a little
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bit more fundamentally sound on where they're supposed to be and what they're supposed to
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be doing at linebacker. And again it's two guys, but you know the
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first sunny styles and there throw Cody Simon in there as well, But this
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is a very good offensive line they're going against. They were pushed and they
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were attested and it took all of them to answer that. Bell and teammates
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are picking up slack for teammates, and I think that's that's the most important
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thing to take away from this one. But overall I would just say just
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that fundamental aspect of gaps and things like that, you know, there was
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they gave up a bunch of passing yards to the tight end to mayor who
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may not Mayor Mitchell Evans, Mitchell Elevens. Sorry to Mitchell Elevens, I
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think you a bunch of years to mayor last year. Don't correct me.
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Uh the Mitchell Mitchell Elevens think he was seven for seventy five or something like
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that. There's areas in the defense where you gotta get better, but and
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you running obviously, but you know to your point the safeties are back there,
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and when the safeties are back there, stuff didn't get passed. Thom
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So that was that was really encouraging. Yeah, I think that's a like
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a B plus a minus kind of great. I think for the for the
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Ohio State defense should say third downs you know they were they Notre Dame was
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five of ten third downs. Yea. Whenever I'm whenever I'm ranting about the
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lack of possessions, there's always the response, tell the defense to get off
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the field, and then there's some truth to that. Get off the field
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fifty third downs not great, but you know that's last year with the baking
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into five big plays. The questions were they like, not just you know,
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the bend, but don't break, you know, force an offense to
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go down the field. And we're seeing what's happened now that they're doing it.
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They're giving up like, you know, ten points a game to this
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point. And they really didn't break very much because they had the missed field
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goal they got to stop on the plus out of fifty, they had two
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times when they stopped him on fourth and one, so they really are bending
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but not breaking. We think we have time for one more before we'll go
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here to Condi's. They need to run more routes like the Fleming one with
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a faster player. Well, and we just kind of just talked about the
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rubb routs, mesh routes, things like that running across the middle. You
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know, Julian Fleming is plenty fast, but I'm I'm never going to object
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more crossing routes, more mesh routes and things like that where you've just got
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defense and offense going different ways. That that play throwing short of the sticks
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and then Kile Cord talked about I don't remember the exact word for it,
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but they talk about those throws where they have to be perfect and they have
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to be leading the receiver so that he can continue in a direction towards first
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because if you're gonna firs short of the sticks, you throw it behind the
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guy, you're you're you've lost. Yeah, So that's be pinpoint pass and
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you know that going in when you throw this, because that's just where the
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route is. And then I was surprised that Julian Fleming got tackled as quickly
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as he did on that because he's a very strong guy. He's a strong
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runner. I have no problem with him running crossing routes and getting involved and
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things like that. But boy, that was a close one. It was
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a close one. And I do wonder if you're going to see them mix
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in more of those kind of crossing routes or mesh routes because you want them.
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That's a that's a route that can force I mean Don Brown learned this
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lesson the hard way in twenty and eighteen. That's a lesson that can that's
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that's a route combination that can force you to play zone. And if you
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play zone. Then you've got guys settling into zone and finding spots on the
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zone and you know, maybe maybe making a little harder to double someone like
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Marvin Harrison or re Mecca Buca or something like that. So all right,
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so that will wrap it up here where you're gonna get booted out of here
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