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- Lucas: Most corporate boards are built for oversight. You pack them with current CEOs, retired generals, maybe a former regulator or two. The idea is that independent directors monitor management on behalf of shareholders. Luna: Right. The classic governance model. Lucas: Berkshire Hathaway's board does not look anything like that. Nine directors. Average age — last time I checked the proxy statement — around seventy-two. Almost no one from financial services. Zero Wall Street alumni. And yet it's one of the most admired boards in American business. Luna: It's a fascinating case because the board's job at Berkshire isn't really oversight in the normal sense. It's more like cultural preservation. Lucas: Exactly. Charlie Munger used to say that the board's primary function is to keep Warren from doing anything stupid — but given that Warren is Warren, the real function is to ensure that when he's gone, the culture he built doesn't evaporate within a year. Lucas: Now, if this conversation has been useful to you so far — and I hope it has — these episodes stay ad-free because of listener support. If you'd like to help keep that going, the simplest way is buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: Yeah, we don't run ads, we don't have sponsors, it's just listeners who find value in the show and want to keep it that way. Totally optional, always appreciated. Lucas: So back to Berkshire's board. Let's go back to the seventies. When Buffett started acquiring Berkshire in the 1960s and eventually took control in 1970, the board was tiny. Luna: How tiny? Lucas: In 1970, the board had five members. Buffett, his wife Susie, his lawyer, his accountant, and a local businessman. That's it. No outsiders in the modern governance sense. But here's the thing — that board structure reflected a deliberate philosophy. Luna: Which was? Lucas: That directors should be owner-oriented, not governance-oriented. Buffett didn't want professional directors who sit on ten boards and check boxes. He wanted people who think like partners — who would ask the same questions he would ask, even after he's gone. Luna: So the board gradually expanded but the philosophy stayed the same. By the 1990s, you had people like Bill Gates, who joined in 2004. And you had Charlie Munger, obviously, who was vice chairman. But even Gates — he's not your typical board member. Lucas: Right. Gates was not a banker or a governance expert. He was a fellow long-term capital allocator. That's the pattern. Look at the current board: Greg Abel, who will be CEO after Warren. Ajit Jain, the insurance boss. Munger until his death in 2023. Then you have people like Howard Buffett, Warren's son — a farmer and philanthropist, not a corporate executive. And Susan Decker, former Yahoo president — one of the few with a tech background. Luna: And what's notable is what's missing. There's no one from a big bank. No one from a consulting firm. No one whose main qualification is 'board experience.' Lucas: Exactly. The SEC and proxy advisory firms like ISS and Glass Lewis would tell you this board lacks independence. Under their definitions, several directors would be considered non-independent because they have business ties to Berkshire — for example, the Buffett family members. But Berkshire doesn't care. Luna: Because the metric they care about isn't independence from management, it's alignment with owner mentality. Lucas: Right. And that alignment showed in how the board handled the two biggest decisions of the last decade: the acquisition of Precision Castparts in 2016 and, more importantly, the succession plan. Luna: Let's talk about succession. That's really the test of a board built for one person. Lucas: It is. For years, Buffett deflected succession questions. He'd say the board has a plan, but he refused to name names. Then in 2018, he promoted Greg Abel and Ajit Jain to vice chairmen — essentially anointing Abel as the successor without formally saying so. Luna: And the board's role there was interesting. They didn't drive the process publicly. But behind the scenes, according to Buffett's biography by Alice Schroeder, the board had been pushing for a clearer succession structure for years. Lucas: Right. The board's independence in that case wasn't about challenging Buffett — it was about ensuring he couldn't delay indefinitely. Directors like Tom Murphy, the former Cap Cities CEO who served on the board from 2004 to 2021, were respected enough that Buffett listened. Luna: So the board's influence is subtle but real. They're not going to vote down a Buffett acquisition — they trust his judgment. But they will push on the one thing he might avoid: planning for his own departure. Lucas: Exactly. And now we're in a transition period. Charlie Munger passed in November 2023. Buffett is ninety-five as of this recording in May 2026. Greg Abel is set to take over. The board will look different after Buffett. Luna: What do you think changes? Lucas: I think the board will gradually add more directors with external CEO experience, especially in regulated industries. Berkshire's businesses — insurance, railroads, utilities — are heavily regulated. Abel will want directors who understand those regulatory dynamics. But the core philosophy — owner-oriented, long-term, small board — I suspect that stays. Luna: Because the alternative would be what, a typical governance makeover? Add five independent directors, split the chairman and CEO roles, create a lead independent director position? Lucas: Right. And that might satisfy the proxy advisors, but it would dilute the very culture that made Berkshire successful. The question is whether a board that was designed for Buffett can adapt to a post-Buffett world without becoming conventional. Luna: It's a real tension. You want the board to evolve, but you don't want it to become a generic board that just follows best practices. Lucas: And Berkshire has already shown some evolution. In 2021, they added Tracy Britt Cool, who used to work for Buffett running See's Candies and other subsidiaries. She knows the culture intimately. In 2023, they added Chris Davis, a fund manager and longtime shareholder. These are people who think like owners. Luna: So the pattern continues: add people who understand the business from the inside, not professional directors. Lucas: Exactly. And I think that's the lesson for any company that wants a board that actually adds value. The best board members are not the ones with the longest list of other board seats. They're the ones who understand your specific business, your specific culture, and your specific long-term challenges. Luna: Which sounds obvious, but most companies don't do it. Lucas: They don't. The average S&P 500 board has eleven directors, most of whom are active or retired CEOs from other industries. They're smart people, but they don't know your customers, your operations, your culture. Berkshire's board is the opposite — small, deep, and relentlessly focused on what matters. Luna: So when Greg Abel takes over, the board will be his biggest asset — or his biggest constraint. Lucas: I think it'll be an asset. Because the board is designed to support a CEO who thinks long-term, not to second-guess every quarterly decision. That's rare. And it's worth studying.