Latest / UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT / THE UFO WAVE THAT SHOCKED THE NATION -- EXETER, NEW HAMPSHIRE (1965)

Transcript

THE UFO WAVE THAT SHOCKED THE NATION -- EXETER, NEW HAMPSHIRE (1965) · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Thank you
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: so much for joining me, I truly appreciate it. I'm
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: very excited about today's episode because I'm going to be
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: covering a very famous UFO wave. So I call this episode,
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: The UFO Wave That Shocked the Nation, Exeter, New Hampshire, 1965.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: This is an incredible UFO wave, probably the most famous
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: in United States history, if not the world. I've covered
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: quite a few other UFO waves, including the French 1954 wave,
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: the Venezuelan wave of 1954 and 1955, the Wytheville, Virginia
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: wave of 1988. There was a huge wave in November
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: 1957 that swept across the United States and the world.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: I covered that one as well. The Hudson Valley wave
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: of the 1980s, the Topanga Canyon wave, 1992 to 1994,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: so I'm pretty familiar with UFO waves. But yeah, this one, again,
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: is probably the most famous. You may have heard of
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: it before, but I doubt you know the whole story.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: So I've collected quite a bit of information. This is
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: mostly taken from John G. Fuller's book, Incident at Exeter,
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: but also from newspaper articles. I also have some wonderful
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: firsthand eyewitness or audio tapes that I'd like to share
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: with you so you can hear from some of the
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: witnesses themselves. So this case does involve scores of witnesses
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: who have come forward, probably more accurately in the hundreds,
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: if not thousands, and encompassed this wave, not only Exeter,
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, but surrounding areas such as Fremont, Hampton, Seabrook,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: and Kensington. Exeter, New Hampshire, is a pretty small town
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: of about 8,000 residents at the time, located in southeast
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire. There's not a whole lot that's remarkable about
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: this town. It's certainly most famous for this UFO wave.
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: It does have a 235-acre wildlife reserve known as Connor Farms. Significantly,
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: and I think this does play a big role here,
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: that is located very close to Pease Air Force Base,
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: about 12 miles away. So definitely that plays a role here.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, let's get started and talk about this amazing
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: UFO wave. So the first segment I call The Wave Begins.
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: It was around 1 a.m. on September 3rd, 1965, as
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: patrolman Eugene F. Bertrand drove in his cruiser on the
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Route 108 bypass at Exeter, New Hampshire. This was just
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: a normal evening and he noticed no unusual activity until
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: he came upon a car parked on the side of
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: the road and he stopped to investigate. And as Eugene says,
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: I found a woman in the car who stated that
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: she was too upset to drive. She stated that a
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: light had been following her car and had stopped over
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: her car. I stayed with her about 15 minutes but
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: was unable to see anything. The woman told Officer Bertrand
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: that this object was silent and it had trailed her
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: car for almost 12 miles, all the time flashing brilliant
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: red lights and at times was only a few feet
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: from her car. When she finally reached the overpass, the
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: objects took off at tremendous speed, becoming a star-like dot
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: in the sky and disappeared off into the distance. Patrolman
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: Eugene Bertrand wasn't sure what to make of her story,
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: but after calming her down, he drove off and so
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: did she. And as Eugene says, I thought she was
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: a kook, so I didn't even bother to radio in. Now, meanwhile,
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: about 2 a.m. in the early morning hours of September 3rd, 1965,
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: Norman Muscarello, age 18, was hitchhiking along Route 150 from Amesbury, Massachusetts,
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: to his parents' home in Exeter, New Hampshire. This is
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: a journey of about 12 miles, And at that hour,
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: the road was almost deserted. So he was forced to
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: walk much of the way. It was just a few
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: miles from his home. He was now in Kensington, just
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: south of Exeter. And without warning, he saw a massive
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: craft hovering over a nearby house next to the farm
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: owned by Carl and Christine Dining. And as Norman Muscarello says,
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: a group of five bright red lights appeared over a
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: house about 100 feet from where I was standing. The
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: lights were in a line at about a 60-degree angle.
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: They were so bright, they lighted up the area. The
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: lights then moved out over a large field and acted
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: at times like a floating leaf. They would go down
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: behind the trees, behind a house, and then reappear. They
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: always moved in the same 60-degree angle. Only one light
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: would be on at a time. They were pulsating. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: They were so bright I could not distinguish a form
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: to the object. At one time, while I was watching them,
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: they seemed to come so close I jumped into a
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: ditch to keep from being hit. So needless to say,
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: he was stunned to see this, and he watched this
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: object's antics for about 15 minutes. He estimates this object
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: was about 30 to 40 feet across. At one point,
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: it backed away enough that he ran to the house
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: that he had seen the UFO hovering directly over, which
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: was the home of Clyde and Dorothy Russell. and he
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: banged on the door screaming, but no one answered. Now,
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: Clyde would later say that he did hear the banging,
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: but going to the door, he didn't see anything and
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: went back to sleep. So Norman returned to watching this
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: UFO until finally the lights went off into the field
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: and seemed to disappear off into the distance. By this time,
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: he was thoroughly frightened, and by pure chance, a car
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: came along on the road. Norman convinced the middle-aged couple
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: in the car to stop and take him immediately to
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: the Exeter police station, which they did. Now arriving at
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: the station, Norman was greeted by Officer Reginald Scratch Toland.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: And lighting up a cigarette, he shakily told his story.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: And he told the officer, Look, I know you don't
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: believe me. I don't blame you. But you gotta send
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: somebody back out there with me. So Officer Reginald Toland
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: was skeptical. but he could clearly see how badly frightened
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: Norman Muscarello was and could see that he was clearly sincere.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: It was around this time that Officer Eugene Bertrand came in.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: Norman Muscarello was chain-smoking his cigarettes and again repeated his story.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: Officer Bertrand was surprised and he mentioned the story about
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: the lady by the side of the road that he
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: had stopped. So Officer Toland turned to Norman Muscarello and asked,
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: This sound like the thing you saw? And Norman replied,
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: sounds exactly like it. And he again pleaded for the
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: officers to investigate. So now, armed with this new knowledge,
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: patrolman Eugene Bertrand agreed to take Norman Muscarello back to
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: the location of his sighting to investigate. So they arrived
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: there around 3 a.m. And stepping out of the cruiser,
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: officer Eugene Bertrand tried to convince Norman that he must
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: have seen a helicopter. He held a flashlight which he
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: shone around the field and the trees. Now suddenly the
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: horses in the nearby corral started whinnying and kicking, and
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: at the same time the dogs in the area started howling.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: And Norman Muscarello began screaming, I see it! I see it!
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: Now to Eugene Bertram's shock, he also saw it. He
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: could see a brilliantly lit red glowing object rising from
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: behind the trees, moving in a kind of wobbling fashion.
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: He said it lit up the entire landscape below it
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: in an eerie blood-red light. Eugene instinctively grabbed his gun,
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: but then decided wisely not to use it, and instead
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: he grabbed Norman, pulled him back towards the police cruiser,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: and he reached in and grabbed the police radio, calling
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: the station and shouting, My God! I see the damn
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: thing myself! So again, this object was totally silent. Again,
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: the lights were so bright, it was really hard for
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: them to see the actual shape. And they said the
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: lights blinked again in that same 1, 2, 3, 4,
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: 5 patterns. After just a few minutes of hovering about
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: 100 feet above the field, a few hundred yards away,
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: it began to move off. As Officer Eugene Bertrand says,
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: A group of five bright red lights came from behind
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: a group of trees near us. They were extremely bright
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: and flashed on one at a time. The light started
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: to move around over the field. It darted. It could
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: turn on a dime. Then it would slow down. At
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: one time they came so close I fell to the
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: ground and started to draw my gun. The lights were
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: so bright I was unable to make out any form.
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: There was no sound or vibration, but the farm animals
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: were upset in the area and making a lot of noise.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: When the lights started coming near us again, Mr. Muscarello
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: and I ran for the car. I radioed patrolman David Hunt,
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: who arrived in a few minutes. So while all of
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: this was going on, officer David Hunt was in his
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: patrol car and he heard Eugene calling the station saying
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: that he was looking at the UFO and he was
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: already in the area. So he was already driving to
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: this location and arriving there, he was shocked to see
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: the UFO himself. And as officer David Hunt says, upon
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: arriving at the scene, I observed a group of bright
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: red lights flashing in sequence. They appeared to be about
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: a half mile over the field to the southeast. I
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: could see that fluttering movement. It was going from left
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: to right between the tops of two big trees. I
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: could see those pulsating lights. I could hear those horses
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: kicking out in the barn there. Those dogs were really howling.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: Then it started moving, slow-like, across the tops of the trees,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: just above the trees. It was rocking when it did this.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: A creepy type of look. Airplanes don't do this. After
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: observing the lights for a short period of time, they
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: moved off in a southeasterly direction and disappeared in that direction.
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: The lights appeared to remain at the same altitude, which
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: I estimate to be about 100 feet. After it moved
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: out of sight towards Hampton, toward the ocean, we waited
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: a while. A B-47 came over. You could tell the difference.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: There was no comparison. I was in the Air Force,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: and no aircraft makes sounds. But this was silent. No hum. Nothing.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: And the light was the most brilliant thing I'd ever seen.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but there was something.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: So meanwhile, another call came into the Exeter police station
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: from a very excited man. He said he was at
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: a phone booth in nearby Hampton, and he was shouting
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: hysterically that a flying saucer had come right over him.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: He was so hysterical he could barely speak, and after
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: only a few moments, the call got cut off. So
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: that was the first night of what was soon to
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: become a massive and very intense wave of sightings that
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: would soon electrify the residents of the small town of Exeter.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: and it would bring worldwide attention to this community. But here,
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: I'd like to play a one-minute tape from Officer Eugene Bertrand,
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: where he describes his sighting, and also a ten-minute long
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: tape from, apparently, Officers David Hunt and others, where they
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: both describe their encounters.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: This is a bright red object come up over the tree, and...
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: actually started towards us. I got a hold of him
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: and dragged him back into the cruiser. At this point,
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Officer Hunt showed up. I called in saying that I
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: was going to be out of the crew, so he
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: had started out and he showed up. And I turned
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: to look back at it, and I had turned and
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: gone down towards the end of the field about 100
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: yards away, and all three of us stood and watched it.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: It had no wings on it. It had bright lights
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: around it, red lights. It did not give off a beam.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: like many lights give off. It's all the glow, like
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: a neon sign. And there was no plane in the
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: area that night. We just watched it head towards the
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: coast and it disappeared over the horizon. It made no noise.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Now the husses and the animals around there apparently could
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: hear some kind of a noise because they were really,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: the husses were kicking the sides of the barn. Some
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: people were seeing it before them, but they didn't say
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: nothing about it. They're afraid people would laugh at them.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: They just shot up and chased them down a road.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: They were on Route 88.
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: Heading?
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: I headed into town. Route 88.
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: I turned the cruise on, headed out that way, and
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: they followed me.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: I get out to the junction.
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: Of 88 and 101C. All of a sudden, to my left,
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: and up almost to the top of my.
• 12:53
  Speaker 6: Windshield, almost as if I was looking out the wing window,
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: but I was just to the right of the wing window.
• 12:59
  Speaker 6: I saw something very, very bright moving across the sky,
• 13:03
  Speaker 6: sort of southeast. It's the best direction I.
• 13:06
  Speaker 5: Can get for it. It was very bright.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: I pulled the car over to the side of the road,
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: stopped the engine, turned the lights.
• 13:13
  Speaker 6: Off, got out, walked, oh, maybe 15, 20 feet from
• 13:18
  Speaker 6: the car to get away from any noise there might be.
• 13:21
  Speaker 6: Saw no noise at all, very, very quiet. One real
• 13:26
  Speaker 6: bright white light, just as white as it could be.
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: The boat was moving.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: In back of the white light was a green light,
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: and it seemed to be in.
• 13:36
  Speaker 6: Back of that was a red light. The two colored
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: lights were blinking, and this other light was a steady light. Now,
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: when this thing passed over the building, I estimated about
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: 50 feet over the building. It cast an extreme.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: Light on the upper story of the building.
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: In other words, the building was bathed in light. That's
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: the best way I can picture it.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: It kept moving steadily. No idea what it was.
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: Very quiet.
• 14:02
  Speaker 6: Now, this is a quarter to 12 at night, and
• 14:04
  Speaker 6: there's no traffic or anything. Everything was very quiet, and
• 14:07
  Speaker 6: if the thing was making a noise, I'd have heard it.
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: But it was very quiet. It moved parallel to 88
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: over the woods.
• 14:15
  Speaker 6: There's woods on the left-hand side of Route 88. It
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: stayed over the woods, but it seemed to run parallel
• 14:20
  Speaker 6: to the road. I got back in the car, and
• 14:23
  Speaker 6: I stayed with it all the way down the road. Probably,
• 14:28
  Speaker 6: I'd say a mile and a quarter, maybe a mile
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: and a half. Down that road, there's another intersection. of
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: a small rural road, Ashbrook Road, right? Just after Ashbrook
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: Road on the left, there's a large field.
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: Imagine Mrs. Pierce told you about this.
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: We pulled into the driveway of the Burwell.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Farmer across from this field.
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: Again, I turned the lights off, the engine off, got
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: out and watched.
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: Things seemed to hover over this field probably for 15
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: seconds and it dropped to maybe what looked like to
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: me it was 10, 15 feet off the ground.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: All the time, these lights were in the same pattern.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: They didn't change.
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: And again, this field was bathed in light right under
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: the thing. It seemed to be just as bright as
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: it could be. Well, I tried to edge over toward
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: the road and get closer to it. The thing all
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: of a sudden just jumped.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Jumped and just disappeared.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Straight up? And after it did that, right back down again.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: When it came down this time, it came down and.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: Back of these trees.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: I could tell it was in back of the trees at.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: The edge of the field.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: Because you know when, say you turn on somebody's driveway,
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: you see a car turning on towards you on the driveway,
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: you see these trees in front of the lights.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: In other words, the lights in back of the trees.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: This is just what this looked like. You can see
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: this pretty well. How far down behind the tree did
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: it appear to go?
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: It looked like it was just about the same altitude
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: as it was before.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: 10 or 15 feet.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: Or was it just sort of hopped over the tree?
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Seemed to, yes. High and came right back down again.
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: How long did the hop last from when it sprang
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: up in the middle of the field to when it
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: came down again at the other end of its trajectory?
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Maybe 10 seconds. I didn't think of it.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: It happened so fast.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: How high did it get before it came down again?
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to say.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: It was up quite a ways.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Could you see a separation between the red light and
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: the green light and the white light?
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: All the time. Did this separation get smaller, like they
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: shrank because of distance?
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: When it moved away from me, they got smaller, but
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: the separation stayed the same.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Separation relative to the same.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: In other words, the two lights didn't seem to be
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: moving independently.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: It seemed like one unit.
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: Get an estimate of size of the.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: the object.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Could you give us that?
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: Did you see any physical? No, no.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I tried to pick out something. I tried to pick out,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you know, like an outline of something. I couldn't do it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Of course, like I say, there's white light dominant in everything.
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: How big was the white light? I mean, there was
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: a mass object of light that you could see. How
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: big was that mass object?
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: For instance, when it passed over the county building, how
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: big was it compared to, let's say, one of the
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: windows or the door or It was much larger.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: The entire thing, to me, looked like about the size
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: of a house.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: White?
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: The size of a house? The whole thing.
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: The whole thing?
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: The white plus the green plus the red. What was
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: in between or what was outside?
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I can't tell.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: It may have been much bigger. Were the green and
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: red like lights? They were alternating. Or were they flash? Hatches.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: They seemed well-defined.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: They were like that light bulb over there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: And the white light was.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: It wasn't defined as much.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Was it the same size as the.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: No, no. Much bigger.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: Much bigger. It was physically as if it was a
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: large globe.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Was it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: It was fuzzy. In other words, there was... It seemed
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: to be round, but I couldn't pick a different circle.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: The other ones I could.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: The other ones like lights.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Right. But they looked to me like traffic lights. That's
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the only thing I could think of.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Same kind of color, right? Yeah. Then what happened after
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: it went down behind the trees?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Just disappeared.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: It either went out just seemed to disappear.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I never saw it again.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: You couldn't see it through the trees?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the trees in front of it. In
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: other words, it was behind the trees.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: The trees were between me.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: And this object, whatever it was.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: How far away are those trees from you? In other words,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: you were on the road.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Half a mile.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: And you were... In other words, the... separation between where
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: it started from when it came down again was at
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: least half a mile. We can easily find out. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: estimate the distance.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: Between the road and that line of trees is half
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: a mile.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: How big is that field?
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: It's a good size field.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And you say it was about in the middle of it?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It was about in the middle when it came down.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: When you saw Mrs. Pierce and her friend, did you
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: remember her friend's name?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know what her friend's name was.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: How did they describe this to you?
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: Well, they said that something in the air was following them.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: That's what they said. So I cleared it with headquarters
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: that it was all right.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: For me to go down and check it out, and
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I went down.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Now, I understand that Pertrell.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Picked this up on his home radio and that he
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: passed you talking to them at Ashbrook.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: That's right. Did you come back and check with them?
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: No, I didn't.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I went back to headquarters. I came back to you.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: When were you talking to them when that broke?
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Right around midnight.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: See, we change shifts at midnight.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Another shift comes on, I come in and pick up
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: a man.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: What did you do after the light went out?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I was there for, oh, maybe a minute. Were you
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: talking to them? Took off, yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Was this when Lieutenant Cottrell passed you?
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: He passed me down the end of Ashbrook Road. I
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: left the spot where I watched the thing and come
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: down Ashbrook Road to the Hampton Road. Ashbrook Road goes
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: between the two state routes.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Have you ever talked about this?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Briefly.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Because he says that he saw something. After he passed you,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: he went down the road.
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: And that he saw something. A brilliant light for maybe
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: three or four seconds.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: Went down to turn around, came back, and it was gone.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: And he said it lit up the field.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: What was your first reaction upon seeing the object?
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Oh, automatically, I thought of this thing that the other
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: fellows had seen. Of course, you talked to Gene Brett.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this morning. I thought of this kind of thing.
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: Any idea to frighten you at all?
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Not really. Did you have any sensation at all when
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: you saw it?
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: Was there any physical sensation?
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: There was no noise at all, though?
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: And you didn't feel any physical reaction to it?
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: And when you stood out there watching this, how long
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: did you watch it before it went away?
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Before you hopped, as you say?
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I thought probably about 30 seconds.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: 30 seconds.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Did you feel anything?
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: No.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Just a lot of curiosity.
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: Now this light, let's get back to the white light again.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Was this a.
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: Light like, a very well-defined light, or was it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Like a glow?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It wasn't well-defined, no. It was rather fuzzy, would you say?
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I hesitate to call it a glow, because a glow,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: in my way of thinking, that word.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Well, think of a glare. Glare would be more.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: In other words, same kind of sensation you get looking
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: at high beam.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, looking right into a spotlight.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: High beam spotlight. Well, it wasn't spotted at me, obviously.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: It was spotted on this field and on the county building.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Because the area in which I was wasn't being lit up.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: It seemed so bright, it would light up the patch
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: of field, and it was different.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: In some ways. It was whiter.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: It was white.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Almost like, uh, almost like fluorescent light.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Almost.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: In other words, there's nothing yellow to it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: No, just between fluorescent light and, you know, tungsten lamps.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Just as white as it can be.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: White as it can be. Hmm.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Any idea what it might have been?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Not really.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: I got my own imaginative ideas. Nothing to advance them for?
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: We're open to all suggestions, I'll tell you that. We've
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: talked to so many people.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You've probably heard everything I've had to say.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: No, uh, It would be interesting.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I believe these things are some sort of spacecraft. Nothing
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: to substantiate it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Of course, you talked about Bertrand.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: I might point out that we're at the point now
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: where we had come up here believing that there was something.
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: And after talking to people like you and Mr. Bertrand
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: and Sergeant Haynes, There's very little doubt. I'm not going
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: to speak for Dick, but there's very little doubt left
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: in my mind that there is something.
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: I'm confident now after talking to people we have that
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: there's something. And while I'm not willing to say right
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: now that it's extraterrestrial, I'm willing to say that it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: something very, very strange.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: All right, all right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: We have proven beyond doubt, beyond any question of doubt,
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: that there is something appearing.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: In this area. The next step is to get a picture.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: And this is what we want to try to do.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: And we'd like to thank you very much for the
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: time that you've taken in telling us.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I hope I did some help here.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And you want to thank Lieutenant for a lot of it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So clearly it was Norman Muscarello's sighting which started this
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: UFO wave. He was the first one to really come forward.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I think it got a lot of attention because it
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: was verified by the two officers, Eugene Bertrand.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: And David Hunt.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And of course the other people in the area who
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: saw UFOs on that same night. So this went off
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: like an atom bomb, and this series of events has
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: later been called by many ufologists to be one of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the best verified sightings in U.S.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: History.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So very, very hard to ignore when you have that
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: many witnesses seeing a UFO in a very closely defined area. Incidentally,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: this did occur during a massive UFO wave that was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: sweeping across the country. So it's by no means an
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: isolated event. But Exeter was a little bit different because
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the UFOs kept coming back to this area for whatever reason.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So this was absolutely not an isolated event, but a
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: whole series of sightings. So let's go to the next
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: segment where we cover some of these other sightings that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: immediately followed Muscarello's and the others' sightings. I call this
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: next segment, The UFO's Return. It should come as no
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: surprise that word quickly leaked out about the sighting by
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Norman Muscarello and the two officers. And over the next
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: few days and weeks, calls flooded into the station from
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: other Exeter residents reporting UFOs. One case that stands out
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is that of the Smith family, whose encounter occurred about
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: three weeks after the Bertrand Hunt Muscarello sighting. Ron Smith,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a 17-year-old grocery worker, his mom and aunt were driving
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: on Drinkwater Road. This is about a half mile from
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the Bertrand Hunt Muscarello sighting. It was 11.30 p.m. on
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: September 21st. As Ron Smith says, all of a sudden
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: my aunt said, look up at the sky. I thought
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: she was kidding, but I looked up and then stopped
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the car. I saw a red light on top and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the bottom was white and glowed. It appeared to be spinning.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I passed over the car once. And when it passed
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: over and got in front, it stopped all of a
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: sudden in midair. Then it went back over the car again.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Then it headed over the car a third time and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: took off. It scared me. It really did. And I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: started to come back into Exeter to report it to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the police. I got partway back, all the way to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Front Street, when I came to my senses. I wanted
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to go back to make sure it was there, to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: take another look to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And we did go back. And sure enough, It was
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in the same spot again. It passed over the car once,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and that was the last time I saw it. It
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: didn't rush. It just sort of eased its way along.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Then it took off fast. It didn't make any real sound,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: just a sort of humming noise, like a cat when
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it purrs. We could see that it wasn't a plane,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and we watched it for 15 minutes. When it was
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: passing over the car, I could see it best. It
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: was oval. It didn't seem to be completely round. There
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was a red light around the edge, but the center
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: was white. It was kind of flat, but it wasn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: completely flat. Kind of like an upside-down plate. It was huge.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: This was down low enough that you could distinguish it
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: pretty clearly. This was a machine. It didn't move like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: any aircraft. So researcher John G. Fuller not only interviewed Ron,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: but interviewed his mother who confirmed the incident but didn't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: want to go public. Ron had no problem going public.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But he did admit that he got a lot of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: teasing as a result. As he said, Now another witness
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: who came forward was Mrs. Parker Blodgett who lived on
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Shaw Hill. Her sighting occurred around September 21st after midnight.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: She had gone to bed and as she says, I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: suddenly saw this very bright, blinding ball of light up
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: over the trees there, about 100 yards away. It was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: deeper red almost, on the top, in sort of a semi-circle.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: At the bottom was an extremely bright, glowing light. It
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: was just sort of hovering there over the trees. It
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: covered an area from the chimney of that house there
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to the tree here in the yard. It was just hovering.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Now I was thinking I should call somebody and get
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: them up and let them see this. because they're going
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to think I'm crazy in the morning. Then it started
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to spin real fast and went zoom, and it was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: out of sight. So based on her description, John Fuller
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: estimated that this object was about 100 feet in diameter.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And Mrs. Blodgett added that the object made no sound
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: at all and that the dogs in the area, including
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: her own, and the horses were all acting up. And again,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this sighting was a very short distance from the Muscarello sighting.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And she said that following this, she started to notice
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that cars began to line the roads in the area
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: with other people looking for the UFOs. So word was
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: definitely getting out. Following all these other people coming forward,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it was clear to everyone there that the Bertrand Hunt
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Muscarello sighting was not an isolated event, but that a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: lot of other people were seeing these things and that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: this was a whole conglomeration of sightings. But definitely it was...
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Norman Muscarello kind of broke the dam and encouraged everyone
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: else to come forward. And the Exeter Police Station found
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: themselves becoming a major UFO clearinghouse. Everyone was calling the station.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And in fact, sightings were coming in so fast, they
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: could not even record them all. So that's the title
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of this next segment, which I call So Fast They
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Can't Record Them All. when talking with Officer Reginald Scratch Toland,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: John G. Fuller learned that the sightings were coming in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: as fast as the station could log them in. Faster,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in fact. Officer Toland said that they had received more
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: than a dozen reports since the Muscarello sighting. As he said,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: lots of people were keeping them quiet, afraid people might
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: think they were nuts. The thing that brought so much
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: attention to the September 3rd sighting was that there were
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: two officers on hand to testify. Now, when John Fuller
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: asked Officer Toland if he thought that there were more
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: sightings than what they had received at the police station,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Officer Toland replied, I know so. I keep running into
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: people who tell me they saw such and such quite
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, a few nights ago, or whenever
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it was. It's getting now so that people aren't even
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: bothering to report them. Now, Exeter Sergeant Joe Farnsworth agrees.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: He says that within one or two weeks following the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Muscarello sighting, he received a report of a UFO hovering
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: over the marsh not too far away from the police
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: station itself. He also took a report from a woman
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who was going up the expressway and saw a UFO.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: She told him that she stopped her car to look
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: at it, and the UFO stopped off to the side.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Then it emitted a big white flash, and it was gone.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Officer Reginald Toland shared other reports. He heard one report
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: from a man who said he woke up one night
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to find his bedroom lit up like daylight. He looked
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: out the window, and the room immediately went dark. And
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a completely separate witness, a lady, later told him the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: exact same thing. She woke up to her bedroom filled
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: with light, looked outside, and the light winked out. There
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: were lots of reports coming in, One couple said that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: their kids came running into the house and told them
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that they saw an object rising up from out of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the field and it scared the living daylights out of them.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Another witness was Mrs. Ralph Lindsay. She called the police
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and told them that not only had she seen a UFO,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a massive orange ball of light, but that it was
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: still hovering in the sky not far from her home
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: while she was on the phone with them. And her
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: kids were watching it too. Officer Reginald Toland spoke to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: her about it for five minutes, as she described the object,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and she said it had the apparent size of a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: full moon until suddenly it took off at high speed.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Another officer, Lieutenant Cottrell, took a report from a man
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: who said that he saw a massive UFO on the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: same night as Mrs. Ralph Lindsay's sighting. He described it
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: as a big orange-red object hovering over his house just
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: before dawn. He hadn't paid any attention to the recent
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: reports of the UFOs, but after seeing one himself, He
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: spent all day thinking about it and finally decided to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: call the police to report it. Another person who joined
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: John G. Fuller in investigating this was taxi driver Russell
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Rusty Davis, also a licensed pilot. And he said that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he talked to a couple who lived at a farmhouse
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: along Route 88. This is the location of many of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: these sightings. The woman was outside during the day hanging
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: out her laundry when, quote, this thing, came right over
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: her house, went over the field, and flew off. She
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: described it to Rusty as a, quote, great silver object
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with a dome on top. And Rusty added, I get
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: all kinds of reports like this from the fairs, meaning
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the people he drives around in his taxi. John G.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Fuller talked to another witness, Laura Davis, who is Rusty
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Davis's daughter, and she said that she had a sighting
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: not long after the Muscarello sighting. Hearing all the fuss
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: about the UFOs, she and a few friends went up
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to Country Club Hill for a UFO stakeout. At about
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: 2 a.m., they saw a green light that looked unusual,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and as they watched it, it turned red and started
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: maneuvering around. She said it was, quote, a huge red light.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: And as she says, just a big red light, blinking
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: on and off. It was much too big to be
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a plane. Very bright. It was like a small cone.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: The top was round and then it curved under, like
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a top. It seemed as though it had a metallic
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: sheen to it. She and the others saw this object
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: maneuvering in strange ways. It would stop and start off
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: in different directions. They watched it for more than five
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: minutes before it finally moved away. John Fuller interviewed more witnesses,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: including Harlow Spinney and his wife. On September 27, Mrs.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Spinney was driving from Exeter towards Portsmouth when she saw
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: an object about a mile away. and she wondered at
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: first if it might be a low-flying plane. But soon
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: it approached her, and she got a very good look
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: at it, and of course it wasn't a plane. As
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: she says, When I got within 200 to 300 feet
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of it, darned if that thing didn't turn around and
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: come back. So I got a perfect view of it
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: in broad daylight. It was definitely metallic. That's why it
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: didn't frighten me. I thought at first, what kind of
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: plane is that with no wings? But then I thought
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it wasn't frightening at all, because it looked just as
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: if it were guided. It was silent. It hovered. As
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I said, it turned around and came back, and I
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: got a beautiful look at it. Then it went furiously off.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Believe me, it didn't look or act like anything I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: had ever seen. It probably wasn't more than a couple
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of hundred feet up. I said to myself, am I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: really seeing this thing? And I told myself, yes, I'm
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: really seeing it. You really question your own eyesight in
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a case like this. If I had to estimate I'd
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: say it was about 30 feet in diameter. So all
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: through September, activity continued to rage. One sighting that impressed
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: John G. Fuller was made by Virginia Hale, a newspaper
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: reporter for the Haverhill Massachusetts Gazette, a good witness. She
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: was in her home in Hampton, which overlooks the beach.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It was around dusk in late September, and as she
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: stood in the kitchen, looking out the window, she saw
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a brilliantly lit object approaching her home. And as Virginia
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Hale says, the reason it caught my eyes was because
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it was bright and because it was going slow, very slow,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: not at all like the path of the planes as
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: they come over. So I automatically figured something is wrong.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Then it stopped dead over that house, the neighbor's house.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It was about three times the height of that chimney,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and it hovered there. Now, you know, four minutes is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a long time, but I'm pretty sure it was that long.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: At the moment the object stopped, I came out here
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: on the terrace. And now it was out beyond the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Coast Guard station, which is right on the shore, just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: over those houses here. After it started up again, it
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: moved much faster. And when this thing cut back towards
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the southwest, coming directly back and losing altitude fast, I swear,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I thought it was coming right at me. I was
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hoping it would land. And it cut over this house
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: behind us here. It was going so fast, I thought
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it was going to crash. Well, at this point, I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: could see underneath. It was dome-shaped, and underneath, it was flat.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I could see the bottom and front of it plainly.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: It did have a little glow around it. Now, Virginia
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: added that this object was totally silent, and she estimates
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that it was quite large, about half the size of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a B-47 plane. So many witnesses. Another witness is Lillian Pierce.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: She said that she had several witnesses who were with her.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: including her 13-year-old daughter, Sharon Pierce. They were driving when
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a craft came right over their car. And as Lillian says,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: it was real wide. It went right over our car.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. Not more than 8 to 10
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: feet above it. The lights seemed to circulate, rotate around it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: There were other lights on it, several colors, red, green, orange,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: all over. The surface seemed to be metal. Now, one
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of the witnesses with her was Doris Deo, and she
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: confirmed these details and added, This was absolutely silent. This
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was not a plane. It looked like it had a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: lot of little, I call them portholes, except they were square.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: The light coming through them was solid white, and the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: thing just dropped down toward our car, and it seemed
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to take on red lights, and it followed us. My
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: son was in another car near us, and he saw
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it over our car. Another witness was Joseph Mazalewski and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: his wife Catherine. It was one evening in late September.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: They were at 2 McKinley Street in Exeter. They were
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: asleep in bed when Catherine was awakened by a brilliant
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: light flooding into the room accompanied by a buzzing noise.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And she said she saw this large cluster of multicolored
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: lights which couldn't have been more than 20 feet from
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: her window. And as she says, I watched it for
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes. I sat on my bed and kept watching it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And I said to myself, what the heck is that?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And it kind of scared me. I kept hearing this noise.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: It scared me. So she called her husband and he
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: began to get dressed to investigate. And she immediately blocked
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the door and refused to let him go outside. She
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: was frightened because this object was at or near ground level,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: she said. And as she also said, I had the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: funniest feeling through me gives you the funniest feeling. It
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: was an awful noise. So John G. Fuller found himself
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: bombarded with eyewitness accounts. And within just a few days
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of investigating the Exeter, Hampton, Fremont, Kensington cluster of sightings,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: he had uncovered about 60 separate incidents. I have great
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: sympathy for the Exeter police. dealing with this massive onslaught
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: of UFO calls. This is a regular feature of UFO waves.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Police stations become swamped with people reporting UFOs. And yeah,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I have sympathy for the police because this isn't really
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: their wheelhouse. Currently, when people call the police, the police
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: will often refer them to UFO reporting centers such as
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: New Fork or MUFON. But back then, these reporting centers
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: weren't well known. There was NICAP. But yeah, the police
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: were pretty much on their own trying to investigate all
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of these sightings. And as people began calling in, it
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: became clear that the Muscarello sighting wasn't the first. He
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: was just the first who came to the police and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: got attention. But yeah, now a lot of people were
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: calling the police and it became clear that this wave
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: actually began well before the Muscarello sighting. And in fact,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: there were people who had seen UFOs in Exeter going
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: decades back. I think this is part of the whole
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: conglomeration of sightings, the activity going on in Exeter. So
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: this next segment is about the earlier sightings not only
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: immediately before the September 1965 sightings, but one's going years
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and decades back. So I call this next segment the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: early sightings. Now that the UFO sightings had become the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: talk of the town, more people began to report their
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: own encounters, which had occurred in the weeks and months,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and in a few cases, even years before the famous
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Muscarello sighting. In fact, way back in 1957, A couple
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and their two sons were returning home after watching a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: movie at an Exeter theater. The father pulled over when
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a large, apparent UFO appeared. As the reporting witness, the son, says,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: It was a saucer-shaped object. It was stationary, several hundred
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: feet above a mountain. There was no sound from the object.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: One edge of the craft was tilted down toward us.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: In the middle of the craft was a very bright
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: white light that seemed to pulsate and change color slightly.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Around the outer edge of the craft were bright white lights. They, too,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: seemed to be pulsating and changing colors slightly white, yellow,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and red. After watching it for some minutes, the craft
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: darted away at high speed. And as the witness says,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: there was very little talk about it on the way home.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But my brother and I kept saying to each other,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I don't believe what we saw. It was a UFO.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: At the time, I was 12 and my brother was 10.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Another early case occurred in 1962 A lady from Fremont
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: said that her children and the neighboring children all came
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: running into her house at once, and her children said, Mommy,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a spaceship landed in the field. Now, she just dismissed
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the account as a child's imagination, but later, hearing about
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: all the recent sightings, she realized that she probably should
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: have paid closer attention to her children. Now, one lady
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: who we have already heard from is Lillian Pierce. She
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: lived on the border of Hampton and Exeter, not far
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: from the 101C Highway. And she said that she saw
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a UFO in July 1965, only two months before the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Muscarello sighting, but she was afraid to report it. She
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: was driving along Route 88 with her daughter when they
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: saw a brilliant red light ahead of them above the road.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They at first thought it was an accident, but as
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: they approached, they saw that it was in fact a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: massive glowing red object. And as they started to get
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: very close to it, it took off straight up into
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the sky and was gone. And Lillian says, My daughter
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: won't go out alone at night anymore after that. I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: don't care if anybody believes me or not. These things
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I saw, and nobody's ever going to try to convince
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: me any way different. And it wasn't long after that
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that she had two additional sightings. This was not unusual.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Many people were having repeat sightings. And regarding the second sighting,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Lillian Pierce said, I would say it was as big
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: around as a jet. The front was rounded, and it
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: had sort of fins in the back. Flat out, not upright.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: There was a dome shape to the top, and it
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: looked sort of like hammered metal. It had small lights
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: all over it, both sides, the bottom and the top.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It had larger red lights surrounding the edge of it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: They were of different colors on the other parts. The
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: lights go on and off all over it, and it
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: can glow all over. There was what I'd call little
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: square windows across, square compartments on the bottom of this thing.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: It would play tag with me. I think it's pretty
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: odd that there's a crab flying around that no one
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: around the country seems to know what's going on. It's
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: very odd. It's odd the government seems to know nothing
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: about it, or if they do, they won't tell you. Now,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: she did notice that the lights were able to shift
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: in a way that it looked like the object itself
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: was changing shape, but she insists, no, it's just the
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: lights doing this. On her third sighting, she saw an
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Air Force jet chasing an object. Then, after hearing about
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the Norman Muscarello sighting, she finally decided to report these
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: three earlier sightings. Now, Sergeant Joe Farnsworth reports on a
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: case which was handled by the Coast Guard, and it
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: occurred about one week before the Muscarello sighting. Sergeant Farnsworth
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: was patrolling the area. It was around 4 a.m. on
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: August 2nd when he came upon a car parked alongside
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the road, and inside were two young men. who we
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: now know are Walter Shittman and Chris J.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: Caligaropoulos.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And as Joe Farnsworth says, I eased up to it
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to see what was up. There were these two boys
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in it. I guess they were in their late teens.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: As soon as they saw me, they came running to
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the cruiser, and they were scared to death. I mean
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: scared to death, both of them. And this one boy said,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: You'll never believe what I'm going to tell you. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: right away, the way they were acting... I checked to
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: make sure they were both sober, and they were. They
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: were just plain hysterical. So they told me they were
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: going down the boulevard, and this thing coming from the ocean,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: right over the top of their car, and it stayed
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: still over their car. And they stopped short. They thought
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it was a plane that was trying to land, and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to get involved underneath it. And then
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: this thing stopped too, whatever it was, right in the air.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Pretty soon they got scared and took off, and when
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they did, This thing did too. When they went up
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the boulevard straight, this thing suddenly came right at them.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: And that's when they pulled over. The thing shot off
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: out of sight. They were too hysterical to do anything
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: until I pulled up, I guess. So I took them
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: up to the Coast Guard station. I don't know what
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: they found, but these kids definitely saw something. And in fact,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: according to Joe Farnsworth, the boys were too afraid to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: even get out of the car, which was what prompted
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: him to escort them to the local Coast Guard station.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So as you can see, Exeter has sightings going back
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a long time, but it was absolutely nothing like what
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: was happening in September of 1965, and immediately prior to that,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and certainly after that. I mean, this huge amount of
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: activity was absolutely unprecedented for this area, and this wave,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: now that so many people were coming forward, it was
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of attention. It was generating national headlines. Residents,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: of course, were electrified, but people beyond Exeter and the
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: surrounding areas were hearing about it as well. So this
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: brought in a whole bunch of tourists and spectators, and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: of course, UFO researchers, and events were now about to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: hit a fever pitch. One of the features we see
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: with UFO waves is that people start gathering outside to
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: watch this UFO activity. We absolutely see this with the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Exeter wave. And it's very much almost like a scene
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind by Steven Spielberg.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I think probably the Exeter wave helped inspire him because
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we see scenes in that movie that are very much
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: exactly like what happened in Exeter, with the streets being
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: lined with cars and people waiting for the UFOs to
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: show up. So that's what this next segment is about,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: which I call UFO Watchers. At this point, UFOs were
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: being seen so often in Exeter that within a few
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: weeks of the initial Mascarello-Hunt-Bertrand sighting, crowds started to gather
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: along the highways in hopes of seeing UFOs. Newsman and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: cameraman Bob Kimball heard about the sightings and set out
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: to investigate. He didn't see any himself, but he heard
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: about many sightings in the area, both before and after
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the Muscarello sighting. And as he says, UFO hunting has
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: become a popular sport. All along Route 88 on the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: way to Hampton and 101C, you can see cars waiting
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: out there every other night. I came down here one
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: night and counted nine cars. People standing around looking for it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Another night I counted 14 cars. They were camping out
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: there almost. Patrolman Leonard Novak went to the popular viewing
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: spots to check it out, and as he says, there
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: was quite a crowd down there, down by the field,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: where they all seemed to collect to keep an eye
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: out for these things. Now, Patrolman Leonard Novak found Lillian
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Pierce there, the prior witness. She was in the crowd
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: arguing with a colonel and a major and a lieutenant
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: who had come in from Pease Air Force Base. Now she,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: having seen the UFOs four or five times now, had
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: actually gone to Pease Air Force Base to complain about
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the lack of action about the Exeter sightings. She actually
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: had taken photographs of them. They didn't come out. She
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: had not developed them yet. and the Colonel and the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Major were trying to get her to hand over the film.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: She refused, and she was complaining that the Air Force
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: didn't seem to know as much about the UFOs as
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the citizens themselves of Exeter. The Colonel was trying to
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: persuade her and the crowd of about a dozen people
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: that what everyone was seeing was simply a reflection from
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the lights of the Pease Air Force Base runway, again
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: about 10 miles away. Colonel told the Major to go
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to the Air Force vehicle and order them to flick
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the runway lights on and off. And he did this.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: And coming back, no surprise, these lights were not visible
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: from their location. But here is one of the funniest
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and or disappointing moments, however you want to look at it,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: in the history of the Exeter UFO wave. Because during
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: this time, a UFO did show up high in the sky.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And Lillian Pierce pointed out the object to the colonel
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and asked him, What do you call that thing there?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: And he said, well, that's an airplane. Lillian replied, oh,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: is it? Well, how come it doesn't make any noise?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And the colonel replied, well, it's too far away. And
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: she replied, no, it isn't, colonel. Now, by this time,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: there were 15 or 20 cars with people watching this UFO.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: And Lillian continued to pressure the colonel. She said, what
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: kind of plane is it? Are you going to tell
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: me it's a jet? And the colonel said, no, it isn't.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: And she said, then what is it? So he named
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: another kind of plane and she replied, I'm sorry, I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: don't agree with you, Colonel. Now at that point, another
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: UFO showed up and this one was much closer, right
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: over the nearby Applecrest Orchards. Lillian pointed it out and said, okay,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: what's that? The colonel said, that's a plane. Now, Lillian
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: obtained a pair of binoculars from the crowd of onlookers,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: handed them to the colonel, and suggested he look through them.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: And he did.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And as Lillian Pierce says, the colonel looked through them
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and his face dropped.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: It did.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: I could tell.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Now, what is that?
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: I said.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Well, he says, you know, there are passenger planes that
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: come into Boston along here. I said, oh, you mean
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: they stop in the orchard to have apples? That's pretty stupid.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm sorry, I don't agree with you. No,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I mean it. I don't care what I say. Nobody's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: going to tell me I can't see something. So anyway,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: one woman was standing in the background and she said,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you something. I've seen those things and they're
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: not airplanes. There's no noise to them. She said, I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: never saw a plane look like that. Now, he's a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: colonel in the Air Force. He should have much more
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: intelligence than that. Finally, he said he had to leave.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: All I can say is that if they're from another planet,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the Air Force being the way it is, I hope
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: they're friendly people. So John Fuller heard about this, and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the more he learned about the Air Force's reaction to
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: this Exeter wave, the less impressed he was. In his book,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Incident at Exeter, he wrote, It, meaning the Air Force,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: was playing dirty pool in relation to the citizenry regardless
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of what the truth concerning UFOs turns out to be.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: How amazing is that? Must have been quite a sight
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to be there at that time and see all this
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: activity going on. Pretty much everyone in town knew about
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the UFOs. I don't know that everyone there saw them,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: but certainly a lot of people did. And as any
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: UFO investigator will tell you, most don't report it. So
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: probably we're seeing just the tip of the iceberg. In
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: most UFO waves, at some point, the military shows up,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and we're certainly seeing this with people reporting military jets
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: chasing these objects. And, of course, UFO watchers, again, is
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a big sign that there is a UFO wave going on.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: And there's another sign that's very consistent with UFO waves
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: that almost always happens, is that the investigators themselves see UFOs. And,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: of course, this is true in the Exeter, New Hampshire
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: wave the investigators who were looking into the sightings started
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: seeing UFOs themselves. And that includes, of course, John G.
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: Fuller.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: So that's what this next segment is called, The Investigators
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: See the UFOs. Now, John G. Fuller had innocently come
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to Exeter thinking he was just going to investigate the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: one Muscarello Hunt Bertrand sighting, but now he found himself
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: embroiled in investigating a wave of sightings. And as he writes... Now,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: John Fuller later wrote, One thing that makes it difficult
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: is that not one element or one interview is enough
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: to make a story. But a consensus, an accumulation of
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the stories, is. There's the collection of these damn tapes,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: interview tapes, that's making it hard not to believe this thing.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Not just one tape, but dozens. Now John Fuller was
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: starting to notice patterns to the UFO activity. He noticed
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: that many of the witnesses he talked to, including Lillian Pierce,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: noticed a tendency of the UFOs to appear along high-power
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: transmission lines. And this would be a pattern that would
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: repeat over and over again in the weeks and months
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to come. And in fact, Lillian Pierce took John Fuller
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and Bob Kimball to the 101C highway, located about two
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to three miles west of Hampton, where the electric lines
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: cross Route 101C at right angles. And she explained that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: this was where she and many others had seen the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: UFOs coming in. So they stayed out there, UFO watching,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: late into the night. They saw plenty of planes, but
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: no UFOs, and they were getting ready to leave. And
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: then suddenly, Bob Kimball got John Fuller's attention, and he
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: pointed to a strange object in the sky and said,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: what the hell is that? Now, John Fuller didn't know it,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: but he was about to have his very own UFO sighting.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: At this point, it's mid-October. And as John Fuller says,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I looked, and I saw a reddish-orange disk, about one-fifth
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the size of the full moon. It was about three
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: or four plane lengths in front of a jet, which
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: appeared to be a fighter. The plane was moving as
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: if in hot pursuit. The disk was perfectly round, dull
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: orange more than red. It was luminous, glowing, incandescent. The
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: plane was not closing the distance between it and the object.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Check me, Kimball was saying. What exactly do you see?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: An orange disc, I told him, immediately in front of
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the running lights of a jet fighter. Do you see
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: any running lights on the disc? No, nothing but the
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: orange glow. Right, Kimball said. Now in almost precisely the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: time in which we carried on this conversation, both the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: plane and the object had disappeared. The whole thing happened
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: so fast that I'm not sure how I reacted. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: said to Kimball, well, that sure as hell is the
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: most interesting thing I've ever seen.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Mrs.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Pierce, however, seemed to shrug it off. That was nothing,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: she said. Wait until you see one close up. So
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: John G. Fuller now was not only an investigator, he
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: was himself a witness. And his interest renewed. Wherever he went,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: he searched for more witnesses. He went to a local
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: diner and asked the waitress what she thought of the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: UFO activity. And she told him, I have seen one myself.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I have lots of friends who have seen them. and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: none of them look anything like this crazy advertising sign
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: they flew over here. I know what I saw, and
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: so do my friends. I get so mad when people
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: laugh at me. Don't they think I have enough brains
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: to know the difference between a weird thing like these
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: objects are and an airplane of any kind? She told
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: John Fuller that she had seen a dome-shaped saucer which
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: glowed red with brilliant white rounded sides. At this time,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Skeptics were going around saying that all the people were
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: seeing was an advertising plane, which clearly it wasn't. So amazing.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I had to laugh when Mrs. Pierce kind of shrugged
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: off John G. Fuller's sighting as nothing extraordinary when he
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: himself called it one of the most extraordinary things he'd
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: ever seen. Clearly he didn't see one up close.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: Amazing.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Now, Exeter did seem to be the center of most
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: of the activity, but in any UFO wave, it does
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: hit surrounding areas. The definition of a UFO wave is
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: a disproportionately large number of sightings in a clearly defined area.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: And that's what was happening in Exeter, New Hampshire. Because
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: while there was a wave flowing on across the United States,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: what was happening in Exeter was unique. There was no
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: other area in the U.S., as far as I know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: that was receiving this many reports at once. And of course, again,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just Exeter, but the surrounding areas, including such
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: cities as, or towns rather, as Hampton, Fremont, Kensington, Seabrook,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and on all the areas surrounding this. So now I'd
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: like to cover some of the UFO sightings that were
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: in these surrounding areas. As all UFO waves do, activity
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: seems to spread. So that's what I call this next segment,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: the wave spreads. During a thorough investigation, John Fullard decided
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: to drive to the town of Fremont, and there he
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: learned that many folks were seeing them too. As an exeter,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: cars were actually lining the roads in hopes of seeing
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: a UFO. One man told John that he had seen
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: almost 50 cars filled with people waiting for the UFOs
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: to show up. John learned that many people said the
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: UFOs would show up and follow again along the power lines.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: So John stopped at a popular local hangout called Bessie's Lunch,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: which was owned by Merton and Bessie Healy, because people
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: were coming from around town and going there to talk
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: about their own sightings. As John Fuller was there, he
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: heard about dozens of sightings in Fremont. In fact, Merton
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Healy told John that he had talked to a great
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: many people who had seen the object. As Merton Healy says,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I ran into one couple here who saw it pretty close.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: right along the power lines down here. They all seem
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: to describe it pretty much the same. That's what gets me.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: No matter what place they see them in, if the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: people were making it up, I don't think they'd come
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in with the same descriptions. We had a woman in
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: here who came all the way from Epping. She claims
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: she saw it and she described it in the same way.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: A round flying object with bright lights. And then it's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: got this orange and red light. And she said it
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: flies along that way. No noise. They all say close
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to the same thing. That's what gets me. So Merton
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: was still sharing one sighting after another when his wife
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Bessie showed up to share her own sighting. And as
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: his wife Bessie says, The first one I saw went
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: right down in the back of the trees. It was white,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: and then it turned red, dark red. But first it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: looked greenish-like, and then there was a plane that seemed
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to be trying to circle it. I was with my
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: other daughter. We both saw that. She has seen it
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: more times than that, too. We saw it two nights
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: in a row. It changes lights. When my husband came
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: out in the yard with me, it was bright red
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: with orange around it. Then it moved away as fast
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: as it could go. But it hovered before that, and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: this plane was flying around it, looking like it was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: trying to get to it. Bessie said that her most
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: recent sighting was on October 19, when she saw an
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: object high in the sky, and suddenly it came right
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: down over the power lines. Another witness in Fremont was
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Jim Burley, and he said that his sister called him
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: over to her house complaining about a UFO hovering outside.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: When he arrived, the UFO had moved slightly off into
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the distance, and as he says, it was right straight
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: along the power lines. It was far away when I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: got there, so it looked about the size of a baseball,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and then it started going along the top of the trees.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: At times, the light seemed to change. Pulsate. It wasn't
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a plane. There was no sound from it. and a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: plane couldn't travel slow and then all of a sudden
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: speed up. Another witness interviewed by John G. Fuller was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Jolene Jalbert. She and her family had made a pastime
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: of standing outside and watching the UFOs as they traveled
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: along the power lines. And she described one recent sighting
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: in October. And she says, it was a funny looking shape,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: very hard to describe. We saw this bright red thing
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: in the sky there. It was really close. because you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: could see something hanging down from it that night. I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what it was. It was big and round.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: It doesn't scare me any. I'd just like to know
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: what it was. It was silverish. And you see, this
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: is only one time. We see it regularly along here.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: It always seems to be somewhere near the power lines.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Now her two sons, Joseph Jr. and Jarl, also described
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: seeing the object several times, sometimes low enough that it
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: would rise up as it went over the trees and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: then come down below treetop level. They estimate that what
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: they saw was about the size of a car. Joseph Jr.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: theorized that the UFOs were over the power lines to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: recharge their batteries, and as he says, you can't believe
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: it until you see it. Her other son Kent said
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that cars continued to line the street and watch the UFOs.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: He and his family had seen cars lining the streets
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and watching for UFOs in late September, was how they
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: first heard about the sightings. Another witness from Fremont was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Meredith Bolduck. She had seen UFOs several times, but on
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: October 6, she said she saw one very close up.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: And as she says, I tell you, the experience that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I had was enough to make your hair curl. This
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: is the closest it ever came to me. I was
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: driving on Raymond Road. It came right down over the car.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I was scared, scared to death. This was the only
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: night I was ever really afraid of it. The other
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: nights it was fascinating. It was way off in the distance.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: It wasn't flat, but it wasn't round either. It was oval.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: It was a funny shape. And I'll tell you this much,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I don't particularly care about seeing it that close anymore.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And I'll also say this, I absolutely refuse to drive
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: alone at night anymore. Now Meredith's mother, Phyllis Bullduck, said
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: that she had seen the UFOs many times, along with
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: her husband Joe. And as she said, I saw it
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: right by the house. Looking out my bedroom window, I said,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: there's that saucer again. Seems so that it's getting that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: every time I look out my window, I seem to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: see it. I put the binoculars on it and it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: looked like the shape of a football with lights around
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the middle. Another witness was Carol McFarland. She said that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: a UFO followed her home on the Red Brook Road.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: She added that she saw a bunch of people near
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the road where the power lines were and that it
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: looked to her almost like a beach party. As we
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: see all these reports and hear about all these different sightings,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: we definitely start to see patterns. People are describing pretty
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: much the exact same thing. These descriptions align almost perfectly.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Also really interesting is how these UFOs were often being
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: seen over power lines. That's a pattern we often see
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: with UFO encounters. And again, I just want to underline this.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Most people don't report their sightings. We're clearly looking at
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg here. And in fact,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: there has been some speculation that UFO waves are more
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: of a social phenomenon. And by that, I mean one person,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: like Norman Muscarello, reports their sighting. And this encourages more
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: people to come forth. And you have this kind of
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: snowball effect. And all this activity that might have been
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: going on all the time but unnoticed is now getting
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: attention because now people are just reporting it. I don't
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: know that that's true, because if it were, I think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: we'd have a lot more very well-known UFO waves and hotspots,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: and we're really not seeing that. So I think there
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: was something very unusual going on in Exeter at this time.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: But the question, of course, is what? Are these extraterrestrial craft?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Could they possibly be secret military craft, government activity? Are
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: the UFOs putting out a display? Is the government doing
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: this and trying to scare the pants off of people?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: So these kinds of encounters certainly raise all kinds of questions,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: which I really think we need to consider. But whatever
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the reason for this wave, the activity was still going strong.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: This wave was continuing well beyond September. So that's what
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: this next segment is about, which I call The wave continues. Now,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Norman Muscarello, the man whose sighting officially launched the Exeter
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: UFO wave, was so impressed by his own initial sighting
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: that he really wanted to see it again. So some
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: weeks later, he and his friends went up to Route 150,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: not far from where he had first seen the UFO,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: and went up there basically on a nightly basis, hoping
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: to see it again. And finally, one night, their persistence
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: was rewarded. They had stayed up all night until dawn arrived,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and it was then that the UFO showed up. So
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: he shared what he saw with his mother, Dolores Gazda.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: And as she says, he said it was definitely a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: saucer shape, and it had a bluish hue to it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: He said it must have been some kind of metal
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: to give off that color. And while he wanted to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: see it again, he did get a little sick of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: telling the same thing over and over again to people.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: The newspaper reporters would keep him talking for hours. He said,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: You know, Mom, I want to cooperate, but I am
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: so tired of telling the same story over and over. Now,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: hearing this, Dolores wanted to see the UFOs herself, and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: she soon joined her son on a few UFO stakeouts,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: but had no luck. Some of her friends did. One
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: sighting by her friends was not only amazing, it was
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: in some ways concerning. As Dolores says, over the hospital.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Somebody in the hospital called the police that night and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: they said it was bothering all the electricity in the hospital,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the lights and equipment. So her friends told her that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: this object was at least as big as a house.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: So now inspired, Dolores and these friends decided to do
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: a stakeout along Route 88 where so many other witnesses
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: had seen the UFOs. And this time she was successful.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: She saw one.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: And as Dolores says, all of a sudden, this thing,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: you couldn't see what it was shaped like, came out
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: from behind the trees, like it was just parked, and rose.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Now I describe it as being beautiful. It went right
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: along the top of the trees several hundred yards away.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: And it was huge. It looked awful big, even from
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: that far away. What it looked like to me, there
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: were red lights on the bottom going around it like pinwheels.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: It was very bright and it was beautiful. Since then,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I've seen it right over the house here. And the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: other night, the whole neighborhood was shook up. I could
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: see it right here from the landing. And I went
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: and told all the neighbors and they all saw it
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: with me. It was very low and spinning like always
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: with these red lights. A few minutes later, an airplane
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: came over and made a circle around it and darned
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: if the thing just didn't turn around and take off
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: like a bullet. So the wave was still going strong.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: In mid-October, Albert Doty of Amesbury was driving with his
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: wife near Seabrook, New Hampshire, when a UFO appeared overhead.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: His wife was driving when Albert saw it high in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the sky. They stopped the car and watched it, and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: then kept driving, but still the object remained overhead, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: then it dove down right at them. And as Albert says,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: The darn thing just started to zoom right toward our car,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: right directly at us, very, very fast, right towards us.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: And it scared the holy hell out of my wife.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: She said, for God's sake, Albert, get home as fast
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: as you can. It seemed to come right down straight,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: and it was so big. And my wife actually almost
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: went into a panic. All she was interested in was
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: getting home. I was so darn scared, and so was
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: my wife. When I learned that some other people had
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: seen these things... I said to my wife, thank God
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: we're not going out of our minds. You really wouldn't
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: believe these things unless you saw them yourself. Now, Officer
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Bertrand says that he received a report from a Mrs.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Sloan on Epping Road who told him that a red
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: object hovered over her house, lighting up the interior of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: her home and the surrounding fields. And in fact, it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: was so bright, it had awakened her. And she said
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: this thing was hovering directly over the power lines, no
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: more than 50 feet from her house. So Officer Eugene
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Bertrand and John Hunt actually drove to her house. By
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: the time they arrived, this object had left. Another witness
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: was Reed Bunker. He said that on October 24, he
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and his wife had parked along Route 107 at Fremont
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: near the power lines when they saw an object with red, green,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and white lights that were not flashing. And as he says,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: it was completely silent. and it was within a quarter
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: mile of us. It was at treetop level and gave
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: the impression of a long, graceful bounce. We watched it
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: for about a half minute, then it went behind the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: trees toward the southeast. About five minutes later, two men
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: on another road came over to where we were and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: asked us what we saw. They had seen the same
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: thing and were quite excited about it. So sightings continued
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: strong through November. On November 9, 1965, The Great New
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: York Blackout occurred, which caused some 36 million people in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: multiple states to lose power, and this included parts of
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, including Exeter. At the time, hundreds of people
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: were also reporting UFOs, so there appears to be a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: connection here. Now, John Fuller heard many other cases in
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Exeter and the surrounding areas. One involved a Coast Guardsman
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: who was on watch one night when a huge red-orange
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: disk moved up the beach no more than 50 feet high.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: And he was so badly shocked that he actually went
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: into the radio shack and closed the door. He didn't
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: want to see it anymore. And he heard unofficially from
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: inside sources that Pease Air Force Base was having its
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: own problems with these UFOs. He learned that a military
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: radar operator saw a UFO come directly toward the base,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: was seen both visually and on radar, and it looked
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: like it was about to land, but instead it just
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: hovered over the base. Witnesses were able to view it
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: with a telescope as it suddenly accelerated out of view
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: at an estimated 800 miles per hour. Another unofficial incident
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: he heard about off the record involved a brilliant orange
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: object which reportedly landed right off the edge of one
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: of the runways at Pease Air Force Base in the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: middle of the night. It was illuminating a wide area
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: where the officers and their families resided. In fact, it
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: was so bright that a few witnesses thought that morning
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: had actually arrived. So when this occurred, phone calls, of course,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: flooded the base switchboard. There were so many of them
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: that eventually the commander of the base just cut them
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: all off. A fire unit at the base was dispatched
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: to the runway where the UFO had landed, and this
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: object promptly took off and disappeared. And as John Fuller says...
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I was given several more reports about the constant scrambling
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: of jet fighters after the strange objects when radar sightings
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: had been made in concert with visual sightings. In one instance,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: an object hovered over a water tower at the base
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: before taking off at incredibly fast speed. It was checked
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: both visually and by radar. An Air Force refueling officer
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: told me that a refueling operation was broken off abruptly
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: when an enormous UFO appeared directly off the wing of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: a KC-97 tanker confirmed by the crew and by instrument
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: by a radar tower. An Air Force pilot claimed that
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the most sophisticated jet and weaponry were no match at
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: all to the speed and maneuverability of the objects. This
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: was later confirmed by Terry Molloy's father who was stationed
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: at Westover in 1965 and she heard her father actually
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: call the base commander at Pease Air Force Base about
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: these sightings, and the commander told him, and I quote,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: they're all over our radar screens. So if this is military,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: at least part of the military is not in the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: loop and are not being informed about this. So clearly,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: events were still in progress. Huge numbers of sightings were
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: being reported beyond just September, but through October and November
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: and December, this wave was going on very strong for
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a period of quite a few months. Now, of course,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: with all this activity, everybody had opinions about what was
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: going on. Everybody had a theory, whether it was residents
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: or investigators or commentators or scientists or even the skeptics
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: and debunkers. Everyone had a theory about what was going
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: on here. So that's what this next segment is about,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: to take a closer look at what might be going
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: on here. I call this next segment, Theories Behind the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: UFO Wave. Now the Air Force Study Group, Project Blue Book,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: did look into the September 3rd sighting involving Muscarello, Hunt,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: and Bertrand, and others. And they said that the witnesses
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: were simply victims of misperception. As Hector Quintanilla, the head
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: of Project Blue Book at the time, says, Our investigation
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and evaluation of the sighting indicates a possible association with
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: an 8th Air Force Operation Big Blast. In addition to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: aircraft from this operation, there were five B-47 type aircraft
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: flying in the area during this period. We might then
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: assume that the objects observed between midnight and 2 a.m.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: might be associated with this military air operation. So they
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: basically just ignored all the other sightings and tried to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: squeeze in this explanation even though it clearly didn't make sense.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: So officers Eugene Bertrand and John Hunt responded with their
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: own lengthy letter explaining the many reasons why this explanation
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: could not possibly account for what they had seen. They
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: received no reply so they sent another lengthy letter. Now
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: the Pentagon got into the business and they said that
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: after intensive investigation they had the answer to, quote, the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: September 3rd UFO sightings in Exeter. A Pentagon spokesman said
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: that the several reports stemmed from multiple objects in the area,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: which were conventional aircraft involved in a high-altitude strategic air
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: command exercise out of Westover, Massachusetts. And the spokesman added,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: as if this was relevant, that a weather inversion, a
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: natural phenomenon, can cause stars and planets to dance and twingle.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: And the spokesman said, We believe what people saw that
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: night was stars and planets in unusual formations. Now there's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: our tax dollars at work. This is a ridiculous explanation.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Hearing about this, Officer Bertrand had his own statement. And
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: as he says, If they want to turn out ridiculous
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: statements like that, that's their business. I know what I saw.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: They don't. And of course I can't accept what they
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: say there. I know for sure it had nothing to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: do with the weather. I know for sure this was
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: a craft, and it was not any plane in existence.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I know for sure it was not more than 100
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: feet off the ground. I'm not saying it's something from
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: outer space. I'm saying I don't know what it was.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely stupid of them to release something like that. Now,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: John Fuller heard from inside sources that even the military
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: was dismayed by this Pentagon report. And as John Fuller says,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: two additional officers of the airbase told me that they
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: were shocked and dismayed by the Pentagon report. They said
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: it was so unbelievable in the light of what local
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: authorities knew that it could make the Pentagon a laughingstock.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: They said in no uncertain terms that the report was
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: severely damaging to the Air Force. So John Fuller wasn't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: done yet. He visited the Community Relations Division at the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Pentagon to try to get some answers. and he received
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: a less than warm reception from Lieutenant Colonel John Spalding,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: who would later become a major general. As John Fuller says,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel John Spalding, in charge of the division, told
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: me that he was sure the Exeter case was a
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: case of mistaken identity, but admitted that he had not
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: investigated it personally. I asked him if he was keeping
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: an open mind about the case. Are you saying that
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm lying about this? He asked with sudden archness. Not
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: at all, I said. I'm just wondering how you are
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: able to be so certain on the basis of second-hand reports.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: The colonel didn't take this too cheerfully. He drew himself
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: up and said, Sir, you are talking to an officer
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: in the United States Air Force. Then he melodramatically walked
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: off and out of sight. Now later, John Fuller did
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: receive a report from Major David H. Griffin, the Base
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Disaster Control Officer Command Pilot, who backpedaled the Pentagon's position
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and and wrote, At this time, we have been unable
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: to arrive at a probable cause of this sighting. The
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: three observers seemed to be stable, reliable persons, especially the
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: two patrolmen. Pease Air Force Base had five B-47 aircraft
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: flying in the area during this period, but I do
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: not believe they had any connection with the sighting. So,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: of course, also, the professional debunkers came out in full force.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Arch Debunker, an apparent member of MJ-12, astronomer Donald Menzel,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: I should put that in quotes, he had a heated
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: argument on the Open Mind TV show about the Exeter
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: sightings while Menzel began to issue wild speculations. Fowler started
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: asking questions and making it clear that Donald Menzel could
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: not even name simple and well-known facts about the sighting.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Fowler questioned him about this and Donald Menzel's response was,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: will you shut up? Another major debunker was Phil Klass.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: He also joined in and tried to explain away the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Exeter sightings as, quote, plasma, simply because of the tendency
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: of the craft to appear over high-tension wires. Now, researcher
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: and physicist James MacDonald pointed out numerous errors in Klass's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: assertions and actually wrote that Philip Klass showed an astonishing
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: failure to understand basic scientific principles. So these debunkers were
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: basically bending over backwards to try to explain this away.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Among them are Joseph Nichols and James McGaha. They wrote
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: a meandering and frankly absurd treatise titled Exeter Incident Solved,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: trying vainly to explain away the sightings by bolstering the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: jet refueling explanation, apparently completely ignoring all the other sightings
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: in the area and ignoring the testimony of Muscarello, Hunt,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: and Bertrand. that the craft was at treetop level and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: hovering in place. Now, most of the witnesses felt that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: they were seeing extraterrestrial spacecraft of some kind, but some
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: also believed they were military. However, again, there are problems
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: with this explanation because some of these were being chased
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: by jets and apparently the military was struggling with this themselves.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: So John Fuller wonders himself, is this interplanetary or is
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: it military? Because as he writes, Regardless of the military secrecy,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: there are some safety precautions which cannot be violated, and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: the consideration of these questions made the secret aircraft theory
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: seem extremely flimsy. So he's leaning towards this being alien craft.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: As John Fuller says, The most logical but still unprovable
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: explanation is that the unidentified flying objects are interplanetary spaceships
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: under intelligent control. NICAP, and others have been supporting this
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: hypothesis for years. Its credibility has suffered by the support
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: of the crackpot fringe. In spite of this, the hypothesis
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: remains stronger than any other theory advanced. Another researcher who
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: looked deeply into the Exeter wave was John Oswald. He
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: followed up on Fuller's research and investigated more than 70
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: sightings in the area, showing that while Fuller's investigation was
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: certainly thorough, it was hardly comprehensive. And again, really just
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: touched the tip of the iceberg. Because again, as any
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: UFO researcher will tell you, the vast majority of people
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: never even report their sightings. And then, of course, there's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the possible nuclear connection to all of this. Because nearby
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Seabrook does have a nuclear power plant. And at the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: time of this wave, Pease Air Force Base was maintaining
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: a combat-ready force for long-range nuclear strikes and bombers throughout 1965.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: This was home to the 100th Bombardment Wing and the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: 509th Bombardment Wing. So we know UFOs, UFO occupants are
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: worried about our use of nuclear material. Maybe there's a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: connection there. So here's the thing about UFO waves and
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: really UFO encounters and UFOs in general. There's always more
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: questions than answers. Everyone is wondering what is going on
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: and nobody really has the complete answer. as to what
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: this activity means. Of course, many residents and certainly researchers,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: like John Fuller, thought that this probably was extraterrestrial. But
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that this was military craft as well,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: because until we know, we just don't know. John Fuller
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: was certainly not the only researcher to look into this.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: There was quite a few researchers who were fielding cases, including,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: of course, Raymond Fowler, John Oswald, research quite a few
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: of the cases here, NICAP researchers and others. Interestingly, nobody
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: was reporting humanoids. If they were seeing them, they weren't
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: talking about them. So that kind of raises some questions
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: as to whether this might have been military craft. Because
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: in most UFO ways, people will be reporting humanoids or
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: being taken on board. Make up your own mind about it,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: but it's certainly something we do need to consider. Now,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: John Fuller was only there for a short period of time,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: and he moved on. But by all accounts, this UFO
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: wave was still in progress, still going strong. And that's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: what this next segment is about, which I call, The
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Wave Still Goes Strong. Sightings were continuing to pour in,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: and didn't look like they would ever stop. As John
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Fuller says, When I left Exeter, the sightings were still continuing,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: seemingly without let-up. In the early months of 1966, as
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: many as two or three reports a week were being
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: received by the police in the vicinity of the town,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: one of which induced a dyed-in-the-wool skeptic to run to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: the police station with a full account of a UFO
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: viewed by at least seven people on February 15, 1966. Now,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: after the famous UFO article published by Look magazine on
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: February 8, 1966, one day later, February 9, Lieutenant Colonel
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: John Spaulding of the USAF Chief Civil Branch Community Relations
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Division Office of Information at the Pentagon was forced to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: deliver a written apology to Officers Bertrand and Hunt, writing
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: in part, and I quote, Based on additional information you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: submitted to our UFO Investigations Office at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: we have been unable to identify the object you observed
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: on September 3, 1965. In 19 years of investigating over 10,000
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: reports of unidentified flying objects, the evidence has proved almost
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: conclusively that reported aerial phenomena have been objects either created
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: or set aloft by man, generated by atmospheric conditions, or
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: caused by celestial bodies or the residue of meteorotic activity.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you for reporting your observations to the Air Force
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: and for your subsequent cooperation regarding the report. I regret
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: any inconvenience you may have suffered as a result. Sincerely,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel John Spaulding. Well, that was awfully nice of him. Now,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: John G. Fuller's book, Incident at Exeter, was published in 1966,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: literally months after he finished investigating this wave, and it
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: became an instant classic. In fact, a huge bestseller. selling
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: eventually more than 500,000 copies. And this was, of course,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: followed shortly by his book, The Interrupted Journey, about the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Barney and Betty Hill case, which was definitely a landmark
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: book and broke that case wide open. Now, right now,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: I'd like to play a tape, an audio tape, in
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: which John Fuller explains how he came to investigate the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Exeter sightings and describes his own sightings. This is about
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes long, and it first appeared on the Merv
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Griffin Show.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 10: There seems to be more talk now about flying saucers
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 10: and unidentified flying objects than ever before.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: This book, Incident at Exeter, has just been published.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 10: It's the new focal point of our national debate about
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 10: unidentified flying objects.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 8: It's written by.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 10: A distinguished columnist with the Saturday Review of Literature. His
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 10: name is John Fuller.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: He's the author.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 10: We've invited him to come on and tell us his
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 10: side of the story. So would you all agree?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Mr.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 10: John Fuller. John, how did you become interested in the subject?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: Well, Merv, the interesting thing was that I knew nothing.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: About the subject.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: I was a complete neophyte on the subject. But I
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: was struck for an idea for my column one day
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: that I do for.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: The Saturday Review.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: And I happened to pull a little clipping out from
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: the New York Times. I decided I'd pick one case.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: I was tired of seeing these cases appear in the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: paper and then drop them.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: I took one case.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: I started to follow it down. I did a short
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: piece and started to review about it. Look magazine read it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: And then Putnam read the Look piece and started to
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: review and asked me to do a book on it.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: And I am a complete non-USO expert. But I'm a
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: good reporter. Good.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 10: You are the first man of the Fourth Estate, the
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 10: man of letters, that I have.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: Ever met who claims he has seen one.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: Well, frankly, if I didn't have a licensed pilot who
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: was also a very cynical newsreel cameraman with me at
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: the time, I would have never told anybody about it.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: The one I saw was much less dramatic than the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: cases that I documented in the book at Exeter.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: It was New Hampshire.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Exeter, New Hampshire.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: I knew that incident.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: And two policemen, the original incident, which I started to.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: I went up there.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: If I could debunk the story.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: I was going to debunk it. If I could get
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: a little ghost story about a New England town, you know,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: with the reactions of people, the psychological feelings, that would
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: have been fine, too. But I got up there, and
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: I found that this case checked out so thoroughly and
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: was documented so completely by really tough-minded, cynical officers, police officers,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: one of whom was an Air Force veteran. It came
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: so close to him, and it was so enormous that
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: he dropped on the ground and pulled his gun. Now,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: police officers of this caliber do not do this. If
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: they see something, you know, in the sky. Then I
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: found that I unearthed 60 confident, reliable people whom I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: checked out as to character, confidence, and capacity for observation.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: And I grilled them. I interrogated them, tape-recorded everything. If
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: I hadn't had a tape recorder, I would have buried
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: this story.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: It is a.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: I can't help feeling, Merv, that there is a remote
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: possibility that this could be the biggest news break in history.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: I don't say that.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: I say it's a possibility.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 10: Was this not the case, John, where the object was
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 10: coming in on high-tension wires?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: They were consistently reported above high-tension wires. I discovered later
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: that the original police incident was near high-tension wires. I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: didn't realize this at the time.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 10: Do you believe the story that they are manned by
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 10: space creatures?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll say this. I'm very cautious. I'm a very
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: cautious journalist. I don't make rash statements. I say that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: there is overwhelming evidence that they exist. I think this
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: has to be accepted now, because UFOs exist.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: That's crap.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: That, I don't think, will any longer be denied.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: You had Dr.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: Heineck, the head of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: He had made a statement to the Optical Society of
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: America not long ago that he had to admit that the.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: Evidence was so overwhelming.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: That he was bowed down by it. So I think
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: there's no question that they exist. I think the theory
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: that holds up the most, or the least holds on it,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: after you consider everything, is the interplanetary theory. But I
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: can't go beyond that because, you know, no one landed
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: on my lawn yet. What did you see, though? Can
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: you describe that? What I saw was a jet fighter
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: plane chasing a dull orange disc from the northwest to
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: the southeast at 4,000 to 6,000 feet, moving at approximately
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: 400 to 500 miles an hour. and the disc was
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: about five plane lengths in front of the jet and
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: we kept it in sight for about 20 to 30
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: seconds as this luminous disc moved in front of the plane.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: Diameter of the object, again, I worked with the pilot
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: on this.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: And we talked it out for two hours before we
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: would accept what we were seeing, you know, that we
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: wanted to document it, was about one-third the diameter.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Of the plane's fuselage, the plane's running lights were bright. Now,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: this is a small one, because, and the reason why
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: I don't even play this up, this sighting up, actually,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: even in the book, is that the type of documentation
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I was getting from solid people, now these are taciturn,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: laconic Yankees, and they're a tough, tough house.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: The New England stock, right.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: Was people with Give me testimony, and I would check
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: them three ways against the middle, ask them the same
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: question three times, try to trap them, try to throw.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: Them off base.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: And they would say, I was driving down Route 88,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: 11 o'clock at night. I saw pulsating lights down there,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: and I thought there was an accident down the road.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: I speeded up to get near the car, and suddenly
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: I realized that this was an enormous craft hovering silently down.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: 10 or 20 feet above the road, which would wobble
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: and hover without a sound, and then shoot up into
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: the sky with incredible speed. Now, I got so much
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: of it from one of those tapes recorded on cross-examination
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: databases that I went back to Look magazine when I
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: got halfway through the research, and I played them these tapes,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: and I said, listen, I might have gone around the bend.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: You know, I could have flipped. Right. And so I said...
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Will you send the senior editor up there to check
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: my research? He went up. At the end of three days,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: he threw his hands up in the air. Gary Zimmerman.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Then Reader's Digest magazine picked up the short look article.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: The book is much, much more detailed. And I read
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: your look story. Yeah, well, it fascinated me. I mean,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: I don't get this fascinated over a story. And I
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: get bored with a lot of them.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: So then Reader's.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: Digest picked up the Look article, and they sent a
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: researcher on the job for four or five days to
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: check my research.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: So no story.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Has been documented so much in UFO history.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: You say that.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 10: One of our Air Force fighter planes was chasing it.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: What does our Air Force say to you?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: Our Air Force will give us no information at all
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: from the local base. They will hand out very stereotyped...
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: But you said you talked to the pilot. No, I
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: had a pilot with me, a licensed pilot with me
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: on the ground who verified the altitude, speed. He was
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: both a pilot and a newsreel camera.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: He was not the Air Force pilot.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: Now, on the other hand, I got much off-the-record stuff
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: from Air Force officers, radar men, Navy men, enforcement, Coast Guardsmen, who...
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: verified all these happenings as they went along. The radar reports,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: some radar reports. One Navy report, not at Portsmouth, but
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: in another place, was clocked at 3,000 knots in the atmosphere.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: Now this, the Air Force is making a very bad
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: mistake because they are going to, I caught them in
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: an enormous fabrication in this, that's a little rougher word,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: an enormous confusion of the Exeter case and presented it
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: to the colonel in the public information office of the Pentagon.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: And he said, are you calling me a liar? And
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm not calling you a liar. I
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: want to know how can you justify these statements made
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: by your office, these statements made by your local men,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: and the complete discrepancies. And he said, sir, you are
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: talking to an officer of the United States Air Force
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: and stamped off. Now, that's not intelligent thinking. It's a
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: fascinating subject. And I recommend to you John Fuller's incident
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: at Exeter. I'm sure it's a great book.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: So there you go. That's John Fuller describing how he
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: began this investigation, his own sighting, and some of the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: sightings that he investigated. Now to this day, every year,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: the town of Exeter continues to hold the annual Exeter
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: UFO Festival commemorating the UFO wave that put this small
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: town on the UFO map forever. There's no doubt that
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: something really extraordinary happened in 1965 and 1966 in Exeter
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: But apparently this wave did wind down about that time.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: People stopped reporting them, certainly. And there just wasn't these
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: levels of activity that we saw at the end of
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: 1965 and early 1966. So at some point, the wave ended.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: But as every area across the United States and the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: world shows, UFO activity doesn't just stop and end. There's
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: always new sightings, and that's certainly true in Exeter. Even recently,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Exeter has produced quite a few reports. So that's what
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: this next segment is about, the sort of tail end
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: of this UFO wave and reports that went on into
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: the future. So I call this one, And Still the
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Sightings Continue. As I've often maintained, UFOs are seen everywhere,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: and while the Exeter wave did seem to stop in 1966,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: It still continued to have UFO sightings, and here's one.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: On October 15, 1969, witnesses had just exited the I-95
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: and were on side streets south of Exeter when their
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: car broke down. So they walked to a house and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: phoned for a friend to pick them up. They then
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: returned to their van and to their amazement saw several
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: star-like objects, which they said looked like tiny disks. They
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: were making quick zooming motions and turning at right angles.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: There were six to eight of these small objects and
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: suddenly a larger cigar-shaped craft appeared at low level hovering
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: over a nearby field, and suddenly lights appeared around the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: circumference of this craft and began blinking. Now the main
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: witness saw this, he was some steps away from his friends,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: and he ran to get them so they could see
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: it too, but when he returned with them the large
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: craft was gone. These smaller darting disc-shaped lights remained for
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: about 20 to 30 minutes before they finally darted away.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Researcher Raymond Fowler invested a case from June 1974 involving
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: four witnesses, Vivian Stevens, her son Richard, daughter Barbara, and
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: niece Helen, Miss Pilkin. On June 6, 1974, they were
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: traveling along Route 150 near Locust Street in Hampton when
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: they saw a very unusual shaped object with colored lights
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: hovering at treetop level. They drove off in fear. Later
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: that night, Vivian's son Todd Stevens saw it hovering near
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: their home, and he called out the whole family. And
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: as they watched it, a plane began to approach the object.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: The object descended and seemed to land in a nearby
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: swampy area, extinguishing all its lights. The plane continued to
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: sweep the area back and forth and finally left, and
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: they never saw the object again. On February 24, 1976,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Jane Smith was driving northeast on Portsmouth Avenue, turning left
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: on Route 101. and saw this very large object hovering
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: just above the eastbound lanes. She described it as a
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: circular disc-shaped craft with yellow lights around the edge and
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: a glowing red dome on top and what appeared to
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: be four short landing legs. She said it was big,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: about as big as a small house, and she was close.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: She estimates she was about 20 to 30 feet away
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: from it. She rushed home terrified. She got very little
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: sleep that night. She later called the police, and her
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: case was investigated in depth Raymond Fowler. I covered this
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: case already, but I'll just briefly mention it. September 30, 1982, Hampton,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Four friends, Nikki LeClaire, Mary Ann Poland, Rose Messina,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: and Mary LaMantagna, were heading west on Exeter Road. This
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: is in Hampton, and they saw this very large craft
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: came towards them. It was clear to them that this
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: was not a plane, so they stopped the car and
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: All four women looked in amazement at this object, which
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: was as big as a house. And two of the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: women got out and actually ran towards this thing, watched
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: it as it was sending down this enormously bright beam
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: of light. They were very much impressed by this sighting.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: One lady says it affected her very profoundly, Mary LaMantagna.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: She believes that the UFO occupants inside this craft were
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: communicating with her telepathically and giving a special message just
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: for her. because at the time she was a heavy smoker,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: smoking more than two packs a day. But as she says,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: they want me to be healthy. I felt because they stopped,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: they wanted me to do something. I sensed that it
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: was okay and that they are not here to hurt us.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: I just know that there is more, but I don't
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: know when. Yeah, following this encounter, she completely stopped smoking.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Another case occurred on August 17, 1993. A man was
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: driving through Exeter when a UFO began chasing his car.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: The man panicked and ended up driving the wrong way
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: down the street and actually crashed at a high rate
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: of speed. Police said that the man showed no signs
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: of alcohol and another man in the area who saw
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: this man driving said he did not see any UFO himself.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: January 16, 2002. A couple who lived along Main Street,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Route 107 in Fremont, went outside and saw two bright
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: balls of light hovering about 2,000 feet away over a sandpit.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: They said these spheres of light glowed with red, green, blue,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: and white and were about 50 feet above the treetops.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: They hovered, moved back and forth for about eight minutes
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: in total silence, and then suddenly darted off at high speed.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Just a couple of more cases. In July 2005, a
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Navy veteran with 10,000 hours of flight experience said that
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: he was getting ready to mow the lawn of his
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Exeter home when he saw a large cigar-shaped craft with
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: equally spaced windows along the side. He said it was enormous,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: about the size of two aircraft carriers. And he thought
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: briefly it might be a blimp until he got a
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: closer look at it. And he said it was not
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: a blimp. And the object actually changed colors from silver
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: to orange-red. And it almost appeared to extend in size
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: when it suddenly disappeared. He's not sure how long the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: sighting was because, as he says, it felt like time stopped.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: March 27, 2012. A witness looked out the window of
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: his home in Kensington. and saw a metallic UFO hovering
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: at treetop level. As he says, the sun reflected off it.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: It was moving just above the treetops about 35 to
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: 40 miles per hour. I mean, maybe 10 feet above
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: and just tooling along. Someone else must have seen it.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: The front was a large cone-shaped silver metallic in color
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: with a tube connecting another cone that faced the opposite
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: of the front. It was about the size of a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: large bus, maybe bigger. October 22, 2013, a witness, an
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: 11-year-old girl, was riding in a car westbound on Route
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: 84 near Route 150 in Kensington and saw what she
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: described as, quote, a weird flying craft. She said it
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: had four white lights and one blue light on it,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: and the craft dove at a steep angle, hovered briefly
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: in silence, and then darted out of sight in two seconds.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: So as you can see, sightings in Exeter did not stop.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: There's some very recent sightings. But nothing like what we
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: were seeing in 1965 and 1966. That wave is unprecedented.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Exeter had never before or ever since seen activity like that.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: In fact, very few locations on this planet have had
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: that level of activity in such a short period of time.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: So clearly something very profound was going on there. Whether
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: these were actual extraterrestrials or secret military craft, of course,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Who knows? It's probably one or the other. Very hard
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: to say. I'm just presenting the facts as we know
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: them so you can make up your own mind about it.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: But I do find it interesting that there were no
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: reports of extraterrestrials, humanoids. So I think we do have
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: to take that again into consideration. But a very important wave.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: And definitely you can see that it affected the residents
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: of Exeter profoundly. It put that little town on the map.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: And of course, there's that annual UFO festival commemorating this
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: amazing series of encounters. So clearly an important addition to
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: our understanding of extraterrestrial activity on this planet, or perhaps again, military,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I think it's very important that
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: everyone knows about this wave. That's why I really wanted
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: to highlight it on this channel here. And I will
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: say it's been some 60 years now since this wave occurred.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: So most of the witnesses now are passing away. Anyone
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: who saw this firsthand, say that they were about 10
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: years old, would be in their 70s now. So I
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: wanted to sort of commemorate this wave while there are
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: still people who are living who remember it. Yeah, just
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: an amazing, absolutely astonishing series of events and one of
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: the most famous UFO waves in history. So there you go.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Perhaps learned something. I
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: truly appreciate you guys watching. Until next time, keep asking
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: those hard questions. Keep searching for the truth. Most important
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: of all, keep having fun. And I hope to see
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: you next time for another episode of UFOs and the Paranormal.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I am signing off for now.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: Bye.