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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your
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Speaker 1: host today, Emily Simpson, along with my co host Shane
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Speaker 1: Shane Okay, Shane Simpson. We have a lot to discuss today,
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Speaker 1: a lot of things going on in the news. I
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Speaker 1: think first of all, we have to talk about the
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Speaker 1: Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni recent decision that came out
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Speaker 1: by the judge. Because obviously, if you guys just started
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Speaker 1: listening to Legally Brunette, if you want to go back,
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Speaker 1: we did some really good episodes back when we first
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Speaker 1: started Legally Brunette on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like we did a really good job
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Speaker 1: of breaking it down and making it easily understood. And
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Speaker 1: so if you're interested in going back and listening to those,
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Speaker 1: you can find those on our feed. But so just recently,
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Speaker 1: there was an order that came out which it was
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two page ruling, which I had
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Speaker 1: Shane fine for me, but then when I saw that
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Speaker 1: it was one hundred and fifty two pages, that that
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Speaker 1: was a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you always brag about reading in detail and then
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Speaker 2: this one you're like nothing.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, it was a lot. It was very in depth.
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Speaker 1: So what we're going to do is just break it
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Speaker 1: down and try to make it a little more simplified.
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Speaker 1: So a little background on the case. Lively did sue
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Speaker 1: Baldoni and his production company Wayfairer back in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: alleging sexual harassment during filming, unwanted physical contact and properly
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Speaker 1: adding sex scenes, a coordinated pr smear campaign, and defamation
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Speaker 1: and conspiracy related to that alleged campaign. So the judge
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Speaker 1: just recently. What the judge ruled on was a summary
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Speaker 1: judgment that was initiated by Baldoni.
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Speaker 2: Well, and a summary judgment is well.
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Speaker 1: Basically, what he was asking was that the court dismissed
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Speaker 1: the claims, saying that there wasn't factual evidence or there
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Speaker 1: wasn't there was something like.
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Speaker 2: If you look at everything the other side said, and
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Speaker 2: if everything they say is true, there is no claim,
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Speaker 2: right judge.
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Speaker 1: The judge dismissed ten of Blake Lively's thirteen claims. So
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Speaker 1: really the big ones were the ones that were dismissed.
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Speaker 1: The sexual harassment, defamation, and conspiracy claims were all thrown out.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I was just thinking about it again.
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Speaker 1: Remember how we when we did the earlier episodes of
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Speaker 1: talking about how much we dislike Blake Lively and my
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Speaker 1: opinion on her has not changed at all. And I
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Speaker 1: was just reminded of how much I wonder if she
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Speaker 1: could go back in time, if she regrets filing this
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Speaker 1: lawsuit in the first place, because you know, she went
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Speaker 1: into it with a big head and a big ego,
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Speaker 1: thinking that she was just going to take this man
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Speaker 1: down and that everyone publicly was going to side with her.
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Speaker 1: And we were talking about how she needed no people
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Speaker 1: in her life, and I still agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, she needed people in her life, and they
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Speaker 2: needed to be no people, not yes people.
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Speaker 1: Right, she needs quote no people in her life, Like
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Speaker 1: you're a no person. That's why I feel like I'm
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Speaker 1: so great rounded. Oh yeah, I'm very grounded. I'm so
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Speaker 1: great because Shane is a no person. So I don't
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Speaker 1: just if you remember that she alleged sexual harassment based
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Speaker 1: upon this is just one of the scenes. Do you
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Speaker 1: remember the dance scene where he allegedly kissed her forehead
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Speaker 1: and rubbed her face and mouth against she smelled good.
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Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting what the judge said. He
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Speaker 1: said if this conduct happened in a factory or in
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Speaker 1: an office type setting, it could support a harassment claim.
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Speaker 1: But here it occurred during an acting session in a
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Speaker 1: film where two people are filming a movie about being
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Speaker 1: deeply in love. Also one other thing to consider if
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Speaker 1: for some reason, when they were filming that scene, if
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Speaker 1: the judge did rule that that is considered sexual harassment,
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Speaker 1: that maybe at some point he went outside the bounds
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Speaker 1: of his character. Which I don't know how you could
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Speaker 1: figure that out, but let's say he did. Maybe. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but that's a very slippery slope for actors
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Speaker 1: because if a judge ruled that that's considered sexual harassment,
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Speaker 1: and what realm.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, but this goes back to weren't they supposed
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Speaker 2: to have some love consultant or something.
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Speaker 1: Well, they were supposed to have like what to call
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Speaker 1: an intimacy coordinator.
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Speaker 2: Which so if that intimacy because she waved the the
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Speaker 2: the meeting with an intimacy coordinator, correct, right, Okay, so
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Speaker 2: she waved it, then that was her opportunity to know
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Speaker 2: what the expectations were and to be able to draw
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Speaker 2: a line if she was uncomfortable with him smelling or
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Speaker 2: perfume or whatever like that. But she waved all that,
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Speaker 2: so she consented to even more like she didn't put.
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Speaker 1: Any boundaries in claries, right. And also again just back
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Speaker 1: to the slippery slope. Can you imagine if that was
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Speaker 1: considered sexual harassment in that type of setting, then every
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Speaker 1: actor going forward that has to do a love scene
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Speaker 1: could be concerned that. And when you're acting, I that
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Speaker 1: when you're in a love scene, you improvise a lot.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you strictly follow exactly now now
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Speaker 1: this check then blow in her ear, then ringing down
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Speaker 1: to her net. It's not script. I would assume that
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Speaker 1: you are improvising a lot in a love scene.
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Speaker 2: Well, especially like because it wasn't there dancing. It was
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Speaker 2: like like it's kind of like a like a b roll, right,
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Speaker 2: Like they're just like do a lot of dancing and
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Speaker 2: kind of chit chat and kind of being cute and cuddly. Right,
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Speaker 2: It's not like we need ten seconds of it and
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Speaker 2: that's it. It's like, Okay, we need some more. Okay,
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Speaker 2: we need this angle, we need that angle. So they
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Speaker 2: have to improvise, right.
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Speaker 1: Another just another breakdown of this one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: two page decision. One of the other things that was
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Speaker 1: really profound as far as the judge's decision was the
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Speaker 1: judge decided that she was not considered an employee for
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Speaker 1: purposes of this lawsuit, because in order for her to
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Speaker 1: have a sexual harassment claim under Title seven, I believe,
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Speaker 1: is what she was using, you have to be an employee.
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Speaker 1: And then they use as evidence that she wasn't an
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Speaker 1: employee for purposes of Title seven, that she was an
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Speaker 1: independent contractor. And she really screwed herself when she wrote
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Speaker 1: that five page email to the PGA asking for She
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Speaker 1: wanted that, you know, high producer credit. I think PGA
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Speaker 1: stands for a Producer's Guild of America. She wrote a
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Speaker 1: five page email trying to convince them why she needed this,
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Speaker 1: you know, accolade, and she wrote out seventy seven bullet
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Speaker 1: points as to how she contributed so much to this
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Speaker 1: film beyond just being an employee, talking about how she
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Speaker 1: did all the marketing, and she did all the editing,
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Speaker 1: and she wrote scenes that.
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Speaker 2: Kind of stripped her of her employee status.
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Speaker 1: Right. So basically the judge was like, well, you're not
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Speaker 1: acting as an employee because an employee has a very
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Speaker 1: specific scope of work, and she would be actress if
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Speaker 1: she was an employee, So actress would mean that she's.
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Speaker 2: Actual seeing she would be doing as she's told, Whereas
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Speaker 2: here she's saying I initiated it, I did this, she
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Speaker 2: brought us to the table.
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Speaker 1: I helped with this. Right, she's saying, I rewrote all
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Speaker 1: these scenes, I coordinated the fashion, I did all the marketing.
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Speaker 1: I did all these things in.
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Speaker 2: This and in our marriage. Yes, I'm the employee and
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Speaker 2: you are the independent contractor.
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Speaker 1: I am.
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Speaker 2: You do as you wish, and you dictate the terms
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Speaker 2: and you direct everyone, and I just have my scope
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Speaker 2: of work and I'm supposed to stay within.
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Speaker 1: Those boundaries as it should be.
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Speaker 2: Ladies, right, gentlemen, careful, all right.
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Speaker 1: Also, today, as we were about to record this podcast,
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Speaker 1: Blake Lively addressed her case against Justin Baldoni on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: and right when she posted it, we were all talking
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Speaker 1: about it, and Shane actually got a screenshot of it.
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Speaker 1: Good job because she then deleted this post roughly five
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Speaker 1: minutes later. She stated in her Instagram posts, I brought
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Speaker 1: this case because of the pervasive retaliation I faced and
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Speaker 1: continue to for privately and professionally, asking for a safe
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Speaker 1: working environment for myself and others. She also added a
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Speaker 1: dragon emoji to the end of her statement, which calls
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Speaker 1: back to a text message to Baldoni where she called
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Speaker 1: herself Kalisi from Game of Thrones. Also, if you remember,
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Speaker 1: she also referred to Well, there was an inference that
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Speaker 1: she was also referring to Taylor Swift and to Ryan
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Speaker 1: Reynolds as her dragons as well. I believe Lively and
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Speaker 1: Baldoni are set to go to trial for these retaliation
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Speaker 1: claims on May eighteenth. My question is do you think
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Speaker 1: that she will try and now settle this out of court,
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Speaker 1: because obviously before they go to trial, there's going to
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Speaker 1: be mandatory settlement conferences. So do you think that there'll
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Speaker 1: be any kind of settlement or do you think she
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Speaker 1: actually wants to go to court and get on the
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Speaker 1: stand and testify.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Because she took that post down, does
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Speaker 2: that mean anything?
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't This is what I was thinking also
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Speaker 1: about the post. Did she posted and then someone likes
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Speaker 1: she Maybe she does have a no person in her
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Speaker 1: life that called her and said no, no, you need
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Speaker 1: to take that down. That doesn't look good.
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Speaker 2: I don't know her attorney or something, you know what
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Speaker 2: would be damning in that post anyway for her to
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Speaker 2: want to remove.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I saw.
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Speaker 2: I got to read it.
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Speaker 1: I skimmed through it before she took it down, and
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Speaker 1: it looked like what she did on those thirteen slides
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Speaker 1: that she posted was I believe she pulled excerpts from
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Speaker 1: the one hundred and fifty two page decision where there
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Speaker 1: were some positive things that the judge had said regarding
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Speaker 1: her case and the claims that she's allowed to go forward.
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Speaker 1: So it looked like she was just picking and choosing
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Speaker 1: things that were because I positive regarded it.
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Speaker 2: I saw the very beginning where she she said something.
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Speaker 2: I'm very pleased she was trying to show her like,
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Speaker 2: have everyone see it from her angle.
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Speaker 1: Right, because everyone out there is talking about how she's
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Speaker 1: basically like that was a huge win for Baldoni. The
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Speaker 1: ten of the biggest claims were thrown out. So now
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Speaker 1: you have a breach of contract and you have a
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Speaker 1: retaliation and the claim yeah, the you know, the the weather.
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Speaker 1: When he hired this crisis management PR team, whether they
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they were hiring bots and they
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Speaker 1: were doing all these things to have this smear campaign
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Speaker 1: against her. But you know, as far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 1: isn't that what actors do, don't they? That's why there's
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Speaker 1: crisis PR people. I mean, that's why they exist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's also it's like sort of like saying, oh,
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Speaker 2: my gosh, well that person hired an attorney, so they're
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Speaker 2: clearly they got something wrong with them. It's like, well, no,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they'd want to stay within their boundaries.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they want to know what their rights were. Maybe
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Speaker 2: they want to make sure that they don't get, you know,
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Speaker 2: prosecuted for anything or you know, a judgment against them
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Speaker 2: for anything more than they did. So you go to
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Speaker 2: a PR crisis fir him because you're like, hey, I'm
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Speaker 2: in a little bit of trouble and I kind of
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Speaker 2: want to get out of it and I want to
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Speaker 2: stay in my line.
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Speaker 1: She has PR people, he has PR people, but he
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Speaker 1: hired a PR like someone that specifically does PR crisis
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Speaker 1: and I believe he did after the movie and during
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Speaker 1: all that time period when all the marketing was going on,
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Speaker 1: and he wasn't allowed to go to the premiere and
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Speaker 1: he wasn't on any of the posters and remember he
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Speaker 1: based they got cut out, he wasn't allowed in the
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Speaker 1: editing bay, and she was editing it, and then there
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Speaker 1: were all those things going on. He knew he was
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Speaker 1: on notice that this woman was doing everything possible to
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Speaker 1: remove him from this movie and probably destroy his life.
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Speaker 1: So he hired a crisis management team. So now her
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Speaker 1: claim is he did that with the intent to have
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Speaker 1: this false narrative against her, this smear campaign out there.
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Speaker 2: What she's back to my original thing, which is, sometimes
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Speaker 2: you have a defense attorney. It doesn't mean you're guilty.
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Speaker 2: This means you're trying to.
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Speaker 1: Manage something right right well, you know. And also it's
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Speaker 1: a lack of accountability for the fact that the public
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Speaker 1: turned against her because of her own antics and because
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Speaker 1: of her own text messages and the way she behaved
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Speaker 1: on set and the things that came out once, you know,
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Speaker 1: he replied to that New York Times article and anyway.
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Speaker 2: You see her ever doing like a movie again?
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Speaker 1: No? And I was thinking, and I was like, ever
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Speaker 1: since she did it ends with us? Has she done
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Speaker 1: anything else?
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Speaker 2: How often this I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I feel like she was in a lot of things
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Speaker 1: and now it's just you she was in like the
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Speaker 1: Age of Adeline. I remember that I watched that on Netflix,
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Speaker 1: and she was in Savages, and she's been in you know,
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Speaker 1: the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, and she was on
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Speaker 1: Gossip Girl. I mean, she's on lots of things. All right,
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Speaker 1: let's go on and do an update on Melissa Gilbert
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Speaker 1: and Timothy Busfield. Melissa Gilbert knew about Timothy Busfield's past
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Speaker 1: sexual assault allegations before marrying him. This came out in
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Speaker 1: a People article. So Melissa Gilbert addressed past allegations against
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Speaker 1: her husband Timothy Busfield in an interview with Good Morning
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Speaker 1: America on April sixth, saying the claims have been out
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Speaker 1: in the ether for a very long time. She discussed
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Speaker 1: them with him before they married in twenty thirteen. She
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Speaker 1: said she is neither naive nor complicit and believes he
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Speaker 1: will share his side when the time is right. How
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Speaker 1: do you go into an interview and say that you
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Speaker 1: knew that he had sexual assault allegations and you still
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Speaker 1: marry someone. I would never marry someone that had someone
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Speaker 1: claiming that there were sexual assault allegations against them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So she's trying to make it like everybody knows this already,
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Speaker 1: so like it's a common knowledge or something, So that
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Speaker 1: makes it better. Okay, don't worry about that. Sexual assault allegations,
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Speaker 1: everybody's already been talking about.
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Speaker 2: Everyone knows he's a creep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, why are we talking about this? According to an
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Speaker 1: arrest warrant, police reference to prior allegations, one in the
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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties involving a teenage film extra that led to
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit later settled without charges. That means they settled
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Speaker 1: out of court, and another in twenty twelve, in which
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Speaker 1: a woman accused him of inappropriate touching. Prosecutors declined to
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Speaker 1: file charges, citing limited evidence, but Busfield denied wrongdoing in
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Speaker 1: both instances. If you remember, we did talk about this earlier.
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Speaker 1: But he was arrested back in January and New Mexico
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Speaker 1: on charges alleging unlawful sexual contact involving two eleven year
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Speaker 1: old boys he met while working on a television set.
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Speaker 1: Gilbert described the aftermath as the most traumatizing experience of
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Speaker 1: our lives, saying their former life is done, and called
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Speaker 1: her husband the last person in the world who had
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Speaker 1: hurt a child.
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Speaker 2: Say anything you want, last person hurt a child, blah blah, blah.
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, well allegedly he did.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, okay, so he said that
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Speaker 2: facts are a little bit different. I'd wait for the
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Speaker 2: facts to come out.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, he has these he has sexual assault
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Speaker 1: allegations against him on two prior occasions. There's probably more
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Speaker 1: than that. Those are the only ones that are publicly known,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just don't.
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Speaker 2: It's like it's like when somebody that's caught for shoplifting
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Speaker 2: and then they're like, why would I shoplift I could
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Speaker 2: afford to buy it. It's like, well, there's still lots
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Speaker 2: of reasons for he to shoplift. So in this case,
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Speaker 2: it's like just because someone said, like he loves kids,
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Speaker 2: he would never hurt a child.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm sure everyone that abuses children says I
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Speaker 1: love children, I wouldn't hurt a child.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's probably the first sign of a pedophile denial.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to Savannah Guthrie. Just a
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Speaker 1: little update in this case. Also, I was going to
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Speaker 1: tell you the other day I was traveling back from
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Speaker 1: Palm Springs to Orange County and there was a huge
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Speaker 1: billboard on the side of the road. That was like
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Speaker 1: that was talking about all billboards huge, this is huge,
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Speaker 1: hug It was huger, and it said Nancy Guthrie is missing,
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Speaker 1: and it had a big picture of her, and it
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Speaker 1: had you know all the information and call this number
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Speaker 1: if you have any information and all the things. Savannah
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Speaker 1: returned to today today, marking this her first appearance in
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Speaker 1: more than two months after her mother was believed to
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Speaker 1: have been adducted from her home in Tucson, Arizona. Opening
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Speaker 1: the broadcast, Guthrie told viewers she was grateful to be back.
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Speaker 1: She said she felt like I believe. She said she
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Speaker 1: felt like she was back home, and co anker Craig
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Speaker 1: Melvin welcome her return, saying it was good to have
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Speaker 1: her back home. I was thinking about this case again
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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie. First of all, we're talking about an eighty
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Speaker 1: four year old woman. What happened to the ransom notes
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Speaker 1: in the beginning, it's just like, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Know, but nothing as service. How far are weay into this?
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Speaker 1: Six year, days, sixty days.
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Speaker 2: And two months. All that activity, all that news coverage
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Speaker 2: is helpful in getting tips right and today where are
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Speaker 2: we at? She's missing?
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Speaker 1: I know it makes no more evidence.
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Speaker 2: No more leads, no more anything at least publicly known
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Speaker 2: than what was known pretty much the first week, which
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Speaker 2: is there's ring camera footage, there's like a blood drop,
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Speaker 2: and she's missing.
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Speaker 1: Well. And also the ransom notes that kept popping up.
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Speaker 1: Remember TMZ had one and then there was another one.
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Speaker 2: That popped up, but it TMZ is nowhere. First that
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Speaker 2: Harvey guy was all over the place. Now where is he?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, But it just makes no sense that
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Speaker 1: someone It made it as if someone was abducting an
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Speaker 1: eighty four year old woman in order to gain monetary,
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Speaker 1: you know, benefit somehow, and if that was your end goal.
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Speaker 1: There was never any exchange of money. And now we're
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Speaker 1: sixty days in and no one knows where this woman is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I don't know where you go from there.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: And also I saw some things that the investigator that
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Speaker 1: was investigating this kidnapping, it was his first time investigating
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Speaker 1: a case of this magnitude. So I think people were
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Speaker 1: questioning whether, you know, it was fit to do it.
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Speaker 2: So the site was in Palm Springs, which is many
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Speaker 2: hours away from.
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Speaker 1: Well, she was a doctor in Yeah, in Arizona. They
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Speaker 1: probably have them everywhere. I just saw it and I thought, wow,
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Speaker 1: that's interesting. I just saw a billboard for Nancy Guthrie.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many are out there. I know, all right,
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Speaker 1: let's move on. This is another update that I thought
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Speaker 1: was interesting. So another Ted Bundy victim, a Utah teen
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Speaker 1: identified as a victim of serial killer Ted Bundy, has
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Speaker 1: been identified. Utah officials have officially closed the nineteen seventy
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Speaker 1: four murder case of seventeen year old Laura and Aim
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Speaker 1: after new DNA testing confirmed that she was killed by
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Speaker 1: serial killer Ted Bundy. Although Bundy confessed to her killing
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Speaker 1: before his nineteen eighty nine execution, investigators kept the case
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Speaker 1: open because he provided no details. The Utah County Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Office said recent testing confirmed irrefutably that DNA from the
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Speaker 1: scene and matched Bundy, allowing authorities to close the case
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Speaker 1: without a shadow of doubt. Bundy murdered at least thirty
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Speaker 1: women between seventy four and seventy eight, and was linked
18:31
Speaker 1: to additional killings across the US. He was arrested in
18:34
Speaker 1: seventy five, escaped from jail twice in seventy seven, and
18:38
Speaker 1: was captured for the final time in seventy eight, and
18:43
Speaker 1: then they executed him in nineteen eighty nine.
18:46
Speaker 2: They represented himself, right.
18:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting Florida.
18:51
Speaker 2: Was it Florida where he was executed?
18:53
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is that where he was executed. I
18:56
Speaker 1: don't know that much about Ted Bundy. I do know
18:58
Speaker 1: that when I was in asked and we took a
19:01
Speaker 1: little tour and we walked by the jail cell where
19:04
Speaker 1: he had escaped from, he jumped out onto the front
19:07
Speaker 1: lawn of like the police.
19:10
Speaker 2: Oh yeah building, yeah, Florida State. Yeah, he didn't he
19:15
Speaker 2: because he represents himself, so he'd have to have access
19:18
Speaker 2: to like libraries and stuff, or you know, somehow he
19:21
Speaker 2: would got to have a cell that way, whether it's
19:23
Speaker 2: a library, they'd put him in a study room or
19:25
Speaker 2: something like that, and then he would I know one
19:27
Speaker 2: of those times he escaped.
19:28
Speaker 1: Was that his plan all along? Or do you think
19:30
Speaker 1: he really just wanted to represent himself? Well no, but
19:33
Speaker 1: I'm saying, do you think he wanted to represent himself
19:35
Speaker 1: or did he want to represent himself so he had
19:36
Speaker 1: more freedom so that he could.
19:38
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was doing everything he could he get
19:40
Speaker 2: out of jail. Whether it was legally or escaping, I'm
19:43
Speaker 2: sure it was always on his mind to run away.
19:47
Speaker 2: And then when the opportunity came, whether it be by
19:50
Speaker 2: being in a library or going to the restroom or
19:53
Speaker 2: being in a cell or whatever, he took it and
19:55
Speaker 2: ran right.
19:57
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's interesting. You know what else is
19:58
Speaker 1: interesting is just because DNA. I feel like DNA is
20:01
Speaker 1: becoming so advanced so quickly. It's like AI, you know
20:04
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I remember people talking about AI.
20:06
Speaker 1: It feels like just like a year ago maybe, and
20:08
Speaker 1: now everything's AI. But I feel like it's the same
20:11
Speaker 1: with DNA. It's like all of a sudden, it was
20:13
Speaker 1: like a slow trickle of things being solved because of DNA,
20:16
Speaker 1: and now it's just like I guess it's just so
20:20
Speaker 1: readily available. It's easy. Now we have advanced DNA technology
20:24
Speaker 1: and even we're talking about the Golden State Killer and
20:27
Speaker 1: how they can you do all the family well, I think.
20:30
Speaker 2: Website and everything smaller elements you can you can extract
20:35
Speaker 2: DNA from smaller samplings like hair. I think the hair
20:38
Speaker 2: follicle that used to there was a time where it
20:40
Speaker 2: wasn't enough DNA and now it is.
20:43
Speaker 1: Oh, you can test DNA not from the actual follicle,
20:46
Speaker 1: but from the actual strand of hair. No, I said,
20:48
Speaker 1: foll oh, all right, but I thought they could always
20:51
Speaker 1: do that. Is that that's I don't.
20:53
Speaker 2: Know if they can get it from there. All I
20:54
Speaker 2: know is that it's advanced, so they can go back
20:57
Speaker 2: in cases where even when DNA was available, but it
21:01
Speaker 2: wasn't testable like the sampling sample that they had, and
21:05
Speaker 2: now they can. So I'm just saying it's increased the availability.
21:09
Speaker 1: Of it, right, So I think a lot more cold
21:12
Speaker 1: case or older cases can be solved pretty easily.
21:16
Speaker 2: Now as long as it was preserved.
21:18
Speaker 1: Now it's all about having the manpower or the finances
21:22
Speaker 1: to go back and be able to test yea.
21:24
Speaker 2: And the need to yeah, right, because there's some keysing
21:27
Speaker 2: more of a priority over others.
21:37
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the last topic today.
21:40
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Duggers, the dysfunctional Dugger family.
21:45
Speaker 1: A quick content warning. This episode includes a discussion of
21:48
Speaker 1: sex related crimes involving minors. These topics may be distressing
21:52
Speaker 1: for some listeners, so please proceed with care. So Joseph
21:57
Speaker 1: Dugger was a member of the Dugger family from reality TV?
22:01
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the Doors? Never watched it?
22:03
Speaker 2: No, I wantn't want to watch, Like chaos in a
22:06
Speaker 2: house with a bunch of kids was in my family room.
22:11
Speaker 2: I watched someone else. And you know what bothers me
22:13
Speaker 2: about those scenes is everything so perfect? You know, they
22:18
Speaker 2: have everything organized, all the kids, they are so happy.
22:20
Speaker 1: Said you didn't watch it?
22:22
Speaker 2: No, but I've seen clips. Yeah, long time ago, like
22:25
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. And I remember one scene where like
22:29
Speaker 2: they moved into a new house. I saw and it
22:31
Speaker 2: was like they built this insane home that looked like
22:34
Speaker 2: like a school with cafeteria and all this stuff. And
22:37
Speaker 2: I disagged they were getting all these donations, you know,
22:40
Speaker 2: because they'd have like a pamper changing station or like
22:44
Speaker 2: a you know, I don't know McDonald's cafe in there
22:47
Speaker 2: or something and all this stuff. And then it was
22:49
Speaker 2: clearly like vendors, Like you know, it's like, why are
22:52
Speaker 2: we promoting these people? And now look at them, they're
22:54
Speaker 2: all crooks.
22:55
Speaker 1: Well they're not crooks there. I love what you call
22:58
Speaker 1: everyone a crook. That's just like you're catch all for
23:00
Speaker 1: anyone you don't like, it's a crook. They're pedophiles and
23:06
Speaker 1: it's two of them against the law, right, like a crook.
23:10
Speaker 1: All right, So Joseph Duggar, he was just recently arrested.
23:15
Speaker 2: Is he the dad?
23:16
Speaker 1: No, he is not the day dad in jail or something. No,
23:20
Speaker 1: let's see, I told you, I know, I'm well aware.
23:23
Speaker 1: I thought the dad went to jail a long time ago. No,
23:25
Speaker 1: the oldest brother did. We're going to get to him.
23:28
Speaker 1: This is another brother. His name's Joseph Dougger.
23:30
Speaker 2: Lots of siblings.
23:32
Speaker 1: Yes, that's why it's called like nineteen in counting or something.
23:36
Speaker 1: I don't even there's a lot of them. The Britises
23:38
Speaker 1: stopped counting at nineteen.
23:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like a jacks and I went to seventeen eighteen,
23:43
Speaker 2: I don't know, nineteen in county.
23:47
Speaker 1: So he was just arrested in March of twenty twenty six,
23:51
Speaker 1: so just recently for charges connected to a twenty twenty
23:54
Speaker 1: incident involving a nine year old girl during a family
23:57
Speaker 1: vacation in Florida. Authorities say that case came to light
24:01
Speaker 1: after a forensic interview and that he admitted to the
24:04
Speaker 1: behavior when confronted, though he has pleaded not guilty following
24:09
Speaker 1: his arrest, additional unrelated charges involving child endangerment and false
24:12
Speaker 1: imprisonment were filed against both him and his wife, Kendra.
24:16
Speaker 1: The situation sparked widespread reactions from his family, many of
24:20
Speaker 1: whom condemned the alleged actions. Some expressed support for the
24:24
Speaker 1: victim and referenced the family's past trauma involving his older
24:29
Speaker 1: brother Josh Dugger. Now my question, yes, go ahead, yes, Google.
24:34
Speaker 2: Forensic interview.
24:36
Speaker 1: Yes. Forensic interview structured.
24:38
Speaker 2: Neutral and recorded conversation conducted by a trained professional with
24:42
Speaker 2: a child or vulnerable adult to gather facts regarding alleged
24:46
Speaker 2: abuse or witness of a crime. It provides a safe,
24:49
Speaker 2: child friendly environment to minimize trauma.
24:52
Speaker 1: So he was twenty five at the time of this
24:55
Speaker 1: incident that happened with a nine year old with a
24:57
Speaker 1: nine year old in Florida. So Joseph Dugger was raised.
25:02
Speaker 1: That's who we're talking about. In Tonta Town to Tonka,
25:08
Speaker 1: non To Town, Tonta Town, Arkansas. By Jim Bob. I
25:13
Speaker 1: love his name is Jim Bob. I love saying Jim Bob.
25:15
Speaker 1: Who names her kid Jim.
25:17
Speaker 2: Bob, Jim Bob's parents, Jim's parents, Jim Bob.
25:21
Speaker 1: And Jim Bob jor Jim Bob is the dad Jim Bob,
25:25
Speaker 1: Jim Bob and Michelle Dugger. So now we're talking about Joseph.
25:29
Speaker 1: This is the son. He grew up in a strict
25:30
Speaker 1: fundamentalist Christian household with a large family, and they were
25:34
Speaker 1: widely known on the reality show nineteen Kids in Counting
25:36
Speaker 1: which we talked about, and then later there was a
25:38
Speaker 1: show called Counting On which was a spin off of
25:42
Speaker 1: the original series. Their lifestyle emphasized religion, modesty, obedience, and
25:46
Speaker 1: strong parental control. Josh Dugger, so this is another brother.
25:53
Speaker 1: This is the oldest brother, Josh Douggart, Joseph's older brother,
25:58
Speaker 1: was raised in the same environment. As a teenager, Josh
26:01
Speaker 1: was accused of sexually abusing multiple girls, including his own sisters.
26:06
Speaker 1: There were four girls that came forward that said that
26:09
Speaker 1: he had sexually abused them. This is the oldest brother, Josh.
26:14
Speaker 1: So we're going back in time and in twenty twenty
26:17
Speaker 1: one he had child sexual abuse material on his computer.
26:22
Speaker 1: I believe at work.
26:23
Speaker 2: Really they did not have more children.
26:29
Speaker 1: Well, here's the question, and this is what I was
26:31
Speaker 1: thinking about.
26:33
Speaker 2: I mean, they aren't they like on TV, portrayed themselves
26:37
Speaker 2: as super religious.
26:38
Speaker 1: Yes, that's their whole lifestyle religious.
26:42
Speaker 2: Yes, family upbringing and see it's all smoking mirrors.
26:47
Speaker 1: Well here's the question, stoag No. Let's say, though, I
26:50
Speaker 1: was thinking about this, if you have nineteen kids, are
26:54
Speaker 1: you just statistically going to have a criminal in there
26:58
Speaker 1: somewhere because you have so many kids that just one
27:01
Speaker 1: of them is statistically just going to turn out?
27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not one.
27:05
Speaker 1: Well okay, they have two statistically turning into pedophiles.
27:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
27:10
Speaker 1: Or is there something going on in the household that
27:14
Speaker 1: is strange and creepy that is making these men be
27:18
Speaker 1: pedophiles or like a contributor from each other?
27:23
Speaker 2: Right? Well, so you're saying your older brother do it,
27:25
Speaker 2: and you do it, or you think that's normal, or
27:28
Speaker 2: you can do it. I mean no one's I mean,
27:31
Speaker 2: how are these How are the kids held accountable for anything?
27:33
Speaker 2: How are they You have two people watching nineteen kids.
27:37
Speaker 2: It's not normal. How don't you even think I couldn't.
27:40
Speaker 2: I couldn't even open up a daycare center and get
27:42
Speaker 2: a license to watch nineteen kids. Yeah, and they're having
27:44
Speaker 2: their own for twenty four hours a day.
27:46
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. That's a good point because when
27:48
Speaker 1: they talk about having that many children, I remember because
27:50
Speaker 1: I never really watched it or sat down and watched
27:53
Speaker 1: it with that. I saw clips and I would catch
27:54
Speaker 1: it every once in a while, and I guess it
27:56
Speaker 1: was on TLC or whatever. But I know that they
27:58
Speaker 1: would always didn't The older kids always have the responsibility
28:00
Speaker 1: of like trying to take care of the little kids.
28:02
Speaker 1: So she was always pregnant. She was constantly pregnant, and
28:06
Speaker 1: like they were paired up or something. Right, So then
28:08
Speaker 1: the older kids have the responsibility of taking care of
28:10
Speaker 1: these younger kids.
28:11
Speaker 2: That's the greatest life.
28:13
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying I understand what you're saying. You're
28:15
Speaker 1: saying when you have that many children, it is impossible
28:19
Speaker 1: to be a good parent and it's tough to well,
28:23
Speaker 1: it would be hard, okay, not, it would be very
28:25
Speaker 1: difficult to be a very active, hands on parent where
28:30
Speaker 1: you're aware.
28:30
Speaker 2: Of what's going on at school.
28:33
Speaker 1: I don't, Well, they they're homeschool, that's how they go. No,
28:37
Speaker 1: but I understand your point because we have three children
28:41
Speaker 1: at home and then you have two children that are older.
28:45
Speaker 1: But just managing those kids and all their activities and
28:48
Speaker 1: all the things that they have going on is very difficult.
28:50
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times where we have to divide
28:52
Speaker 1: and conquer. But Michelle's constantly pregnant. There's like never a
28:56
Speaker 1: time when she's not pregnant.
28:58
Speaker 2: I don't think sister Wise has that many kids and
29:00
Speaker 2: he's got three wives.
29:02
Speaker 1: No, they have that many wives. They have a lot
29:05
Speaker 1: of kids, but at least they have four wives to
29:08
Speaker 1: take care of those kids.
29:10
Speaker 2: I'm saying, there's my parents to keep them from becoming dysfunction.
29:13
Speaker 1: Two parents that are trying to keep track of nineteen
29:17
Speaker 1: Are they keeping track? Well, they're not, that's the point.
29:19
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, we always talk about nature versus nurture.
29:22
Speaker 1: Is this are they are these two boys pedophiles because
29:27
Speaker 1: of a lack of structure, or because of the religion,
29:31
Speaker 1: or because of just who knows what I mean. It
29:33
Speaker 1: would be a good case study to figure out, like
29:36
Speaker 1: what's going on within the household and having the older
29:39
Speaker 1: kids have to take care of the younger kids.
29:41
Speaker 2: I know that's that's a crummy thing. And I know
29:43
Speaker 2: siblings should have responsibility with other siblings. They get that,
29:45
Speaker 2: but it's like right when they're born, they're like, oh, okay,
29:48
Speaker 2: you're assigned to this little duggart here. You have to
29:50
Speaker 2: take care of him for the rest of your life.
29:52
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, right when they're born, they're like
29:53
Speaker 2: a sign to someone.
29:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how hands on can the mom be when
29:56
Speaker 1: she's consistently say something?
29:58
Speaker 2: If you, as a mother and father can not cannot
30:01
Speaker 2: have the time to take care of number nineteen, maybe
30:03
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have number nineteen, or you have to sign
30:05
Speaker 2: other kids take care of them.
30:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I I mean, I don't know what their
30:10
Speaker 1: philosophy is. It's just, you know, have as many kids
30:13
Speaker 1: as they possibly can.
30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be you have as many kids as
30:15
Speaker 2: you can provide for financially, emotionally, and spiritually.
30:20
Speaker 1: Not just physically.
30:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, right on the playing supporting them physically?
30:26
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
30:27
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you can't. You can't even do that.
30:29
Speaker 2: What does that mean? That means feed them?
30:31
Speaker 1: No, I meant physically. I just meant just because you
30:33
Speaker 1: can biologically continue to have kids doesn't mean that you should,
30:38
Speaker 1: Like you were saying, you can't support them financially or
30:40
Speaker 1: emotionally or all the things that children need, just because
30:44
Speaker 1: I was saying just because you can physically keep pushing
30:47
Speaker 1: kids out doesn't mean that you always should. And here
30:50
Speaker 1: you have nineteen kids and two of them turn out
30:53
Speaker 1: to be pedophiles. So maybe you should have been a
30:56
Speaker 1: little more aware of what they were looking at or
30:58
Speaker 1: doing or exposed to, or what they were thinking or
31:01
Speaker 1: what they were getting into. Because the oldest brother, Josh,
31:04
Speaker 1: that is now spending twelve years in jail for possessing
31:07
Speaker 1: child sexual abuse material on a computer, but he also
31:11
Speaker 1: was accused of abusing three of his sisters. Do you
31:14
Speaker 1: know what That's what happens when you have so many
31:16
Speaker 1: siblings in your house is so big, and you have
31:17
Speaker 1: so many things going on, you don't know that the
31:20
Speaker 1: oldest brother is abusing three of your daughters. I feel
31:24
Speaker 1: like that is the lack of awareness when you have
31:29
Speaker 1: too many children. All right, let's go back and talk
31:32
Speaker 1: a little bit more about Joseph Duggar. He's the one
31:34
Speaker 1: that Jess was recently arrested. So he was married in
31:38
Speaker 1: May of twenty seventeen. He proposed to Kendrick Caldwell after
31:41
Speaker 1: meeting through church. The proposal happened at his sister joy
31:45
Speaker 1: Anna's wedding. I don't know how I feel about people
31:49
Speaker 1: proposing when there are other people's weddings. I think that's
31:51
Speaker 1: such a tacky thing to do, But I don't know so.
31:55
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about pedophiles, So I guess at
31:57
Speaker 1: this point proposing at someone's wedding is not like the
32:00
Speaker 1: worst thing that this family could do. Yeah. Joseph and
32:03
Speaker 1: Kendra were married in Arkansas. Kendra's father officiated the ceremony,
32:07
Speaker 1: and their wedding was featured on Counting On That's the spinoff.
32:11
Speaker 1: They had a child, Garrett. They had a second child, Addison,
32:14
Speaker 1: a third child, Brooklyn, and jail records later indicated a
32:18
Speaker 1: fourth child, though not publicly confirmed, So I believe they
32:22
Speaker 1: have four children. Joseph worked in real estate and lived
32:24
Speaker 1: in Arkansas with his family. This is the twenty twenty
32:28
Speaker 1: alleged incident that took place in Florida. He's accused of
32:32
Speaker 1: molesting a nine year old girl when he was older
32:34
Speaker 1: than eighteen. He was twenty five at the time, and
32:37
Speaker 1: the alleged incident occurred during a family vacation in Panama
32:40
Speaker 1: City Beach, Florida. Joseph reportedly asked her multiple times to
32:45
Speaker 1: sit on his lap. Oh that's so gross. The lap thing.
32:51
Speaker 1: That's why it's like, I don't know.
32:52
Speaker 2: I had a trigger for you.
32:54
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just is. I mean, it's like
32:56
Speaker 1: even with like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and stuff,
32:59
Speaker 1: it's like I just thought they it's the use what's
33:01
Speaker 1: seemingly innocent. Yeah right, Yeah, it's really.
33:05
Speaker 2: Like an ulterior motive and they have some creepy, you know, desire.
33:11
Speaker 1: So gross. He also allegedly sat with her under a
33:15
Speaker 1: blanket on a couch, and authorities say he touched her inappropriately,
33:20
Speaker 1: and the nine year old victim later stated that Joseph
33:22
Speaker 1: apologized and then the behavior stopped. Okay, again, as a parent,
33:28
Speaker 1: if my nine year old daughter is sitting on a
33:29
Speaker 1: couch with an adult male next to her and a
33:32
Speaker 1: blanket over the two of them, I'm going to think
33:34
Speaker 1: that's flipping weird and I'm going to say something. And
33:37
Speaker 1: also the religious facade of someone being so religious that
33:42
Speaker 1: you would leave your kid with them because you think
33:43
Speaker 1: they're a good person, right, and that doesn't that doesn't always.
33:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know what was going on was this, no.
33:50
Speaker 1: But I'm saying this was a deeply religious family and
33:53
Speaker 1: everything centered around religion and they were homeschooled, and they
33:56
Speaker 1: talked about religion and faith and all these things. And
33:59
Speaker 1: I'm with the way that these two sons behave. It's
34:03
Speaker 1: such a facade because someone could look at the family
34:05
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, it's so safe to leave my
34:07
Speaker 1: children around them because they're this good, wholesome family that's
34:10
Speaker 1: super religious, when really two of them are pedophiles and
34:14
Speaker 1: they're abusing young children.
34:15
Speaker 2: Right and looking, and the opposite could be true too.
34:19
Speaker 2: Someone is not a religious fanatic, right, and they are
34:22
Speaker 2: not a creep.
34:23
Speaker 1: And they have a strong moral condest Exactly. March seventeenth
34:29
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six, of the victim, who is now
34:31
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, participated in a forensic interview, which was
34:34
Speaker 1: six years later. We just talked about what that meant.
34:37
Speaker 1: After the interview, her father confronted Joseph. Investigators say Joseph
34:42
Speaker 1: admitted to the behavior during the conversation with the father
34:45
Speaker 1: and the detectives. However, you know he's now pleading not guilty,
34:49
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know how you admit
34:51
Speaker 1: to what you did to the father and to detectives,
34:53
Speaker 1: but then you plead not guilty, So I don't know.
34:55
Speaker 1: How that's going to turn out. According to an affidavit,
35:00
Speaker 1: he admitted touching her and said that his intentions quote
35:03
Speaker 1: were not puer. He was arrested in Arkansas on a
35:07
Speaker 1: Florida warrant. I know he. I think he waived extradition
35:13
Speaker 1: like they didn't do they didn't have to do a hearing.
35:15
Speaker 1: I think he just agreed to be extradited and he
35:18
Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty to the charges. The day after
35:22
Speaker 1: his arrests, authorities searched his and Kendra's home, so they
35:27
Speaker 1: ended up getting a search warrant based upon whatever information
35:30
Speaker 1: they have from him about being you know what he
35:32
Speaker 1: admitted to. The search involved child welfare officials and local police,
35:38
Speaker 1: and both Joseph and Kendra were charged with four counts
35:42
Speaker 1: of second degree child endangerment and four counts of second
35:46
Speaker 1: degree false imprisonment. These charges were described as unrelated to
35:51
Speaker 1: the Florida case. So basically they got a search warrant
35:53
Speaker 1: based upon whatever they found out about it during this
35:55
Speaker 1: forensic interview and what he admitted to. They searched his
35:58
Speaker 1: house just recently house with his wife, Kendra. She is
36:02
Speaker 1: now arrested. She gets arrested, and then they have a
36:05
Speaker 1: new case opened up against them, probably from an Arkansas,
36:09
Speaker 1: with four counts of child endangerment and four counts of
36:13
Speaker 1: false imprisonment. Now I read that the false imprisonment had
36:17
Speaker 1: to do with having locks on the kid's bedroom doors
36:20
Speaker 1: that were on the outside, which meant that they could
36:23
Speaker 1: lock the kids in bedrooms. Right, But I don't know
36:27
Speaker 1: what the evidence was that related to the child in
36:30
Speaker 1: endangermout charges and also what evidence suggested that even though
36:34
Speaker 1: the locks were on the outside of the door, that
36:37
Speaker 1: they were using them in a way that was abusive.
36:39
Speaker 1: I don't know.
36:39
Speaker 2: Well, false ambrisonment could only be a matter of a
36:41
Speaker 2: second too, right, if someone wants to leave and you
36:43
Speaker 2: say no, you can't leave, and you keep him there. Yeah,
36:46
Speaker 2: I mean it could have been, you know, part of
36:51
Speaker 2: the molestation process, right, holding someone and keeping them from
36:54
Speaker 2: leaving the house and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: Well, that doesn't have anything to do with a nine
36:57
Speaker 1: year old girl because she didn't live in the house.
36:59
Speaker 1: So these are new church has to do with his
37:01
Speaker 1: own four children, right, Yeah, But.
37:03
Speaker 2: I was just saying that it doesn't False imprisonment doesn't
37:06
Speaker 2: necessarily mean you trap them in a basement and you
37:07
Speaker 2: lock the doors. Yeah, it could simply be I wanted
37:11
Speaker 2: to leave my bedroom and he stood in front of
37:12
Speaker 2: the door wouldn't let me leave.
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Speaker 1: So a family spokesperson clarified that Kendra, this is the wife,
37:19
Speaker 1: is not accused of any involvement in the Florida incident.
37:23
Speaker 1: So that's just the husband, that's just Joseph. But she
37:28
Speaker 1: was arrested under this new case where CPS came in
37:32
Speaker 1: under that search warrant.
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Speaker 2: I'm picturing they searched the house, they see the locks.
37:36
Speaker 2: Maybe the locks are suspicious because it's not typical the way.
37:39
Speaker 1: It's well, they're usually on the inside, right, right, right.
37:41
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like, let's say it was obvious because
37:43
Speaker 2: I don't I wouldn't think to look at the doorknobs
37:45
Speaker 2: and see if they're like backwards. Yeah, so maybe it
37:48
Speaker 2: was obvious enough. And they asked the children, and the
37:50
Speaker 2: children simply say, yeah, sometimes I get locked in my
37:53
Speaker 2: room and I'm not allowed to leave, right. But the
37:56
Speaker 2: thing is, I mean, I don't want to defend any
37:58
Speaker 2: of these people, but it it's like, well, that's not
38:01
Speaker 2: that bad of a thing if you're just like saying
38:02
Speaker 2: you have to stay in your room but I guess
38:04
Speaker 2: if you lock them in the room, I don't know.
38:06
Speaker 2: There must have been more details.
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Speaker 1: Right, So Kendra was released on bail shortly after her arrest.
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Speaker 1: Her bail was like fourteen hundred dollars or something, although
38:14
Speaker 1: she will seemingly be separated from her four kids for
38:16
Speaker 1: a month. According to this was an article on E News.
38:22
Speaker 1: I did read that she separated for a month from
38:25
Speaker 1: the kids. I'm not sure why. Maybe they're assessing the
38:27
Speaker 1: kids for a month. Maybe they put him somewhere, or
38:29
Speaker 1: maybe they have them with a foster family. I don't know,
38:31
Speaker 1: but so she's not with the kids for a month.
38:34
Speaker 1: I also read that there were a lot of a
38:37
Speaker 1: jail house what are they called recordings or whatever between
38:40
Speaker 1: her and her husband, and she talks about how the
38:43
Speaker 1: kids are her first priority. She just wants to get
38:45
Speaker 1: the kids back, and also I believe in order to
38:50
Speaker 1: continue to function because he is in jail, his bond's like,
38:54
Speaker 1: I don't know, his bonds like some ridiculous amount. She's
38:58
Speaker 1: talking about how the kids are her main priority. He's
39:00
Speaker 1: saying they should be. And then I think she said
39:02
Speaker 1: something to the effect of like in regard to him,
39:05
Speaker 1: like We'll have to figure that out later kind of thing,
39:08
Speaker 1: like right now, the kids are yes, the kids are
39:11
Speaker 1: our priority. Right Joseph remains in solitary confinement awaiting extradition.
39:17
Speaker 1: So he has to be extradited because he's obviously going
39:20
Speaker 1: to go to trial, I would assume unless he takes
39:23
Speaker 1: a plea dealer or something in Florida. So Josh Duggar,
39:27
Speaker 1: who is the oldest brother, not Joseph, who we've been
39:31
Speaker 1: talking about recently, Josh, Josh's attorney told The Daily Mail
39:34
Speaker 1: that he understands the stigma of being accused, and he
39:37
Speaker 1: lives with the painful reality of how false accusations can
39:40
Speaker 1: destroy a life. He understands how the targeting of a
39:43
Speaker 1: person for publicity can twist the truth into sensationalized fiction.
39:48
Speaker 1: That sounds like Josh's attorney on behalf of Josh is
39:52
Speaker 1: not taking accountability for the fact that he's spending twelve
39:54
Speaker 1: years in prison because he had child pornography on his
39:56
Speaker 1: computer and he also was accused of se abusing for
40:01
Speaker 1: underage children. It's so gross, It's eh, it's.
40:06
Speaker 2: I just why is it so like it's like an
40:10
Speaker 2: overlapping crime for a lot of criminals, Like they also
40:13
Speaker 2: have child priority on their computer.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess because they're just sick in
40:16
Speaker 1: the head. And when you're sick like that, that's what
40:19
Speaker 1: you do. I don't know. Jim, Bob and Michelle Dugger
40:22
Speaker 1: his parents.
40:23
Speaker 2: That's a good analysis.
40:24
Speaker 1: I like that. Thank you. That was deep, wasn't it.
40:26
Speaker 1: They're just sick in the head. Yeah, publicly called the
40:28
Speaker 1: situation heartbreaking, emphasized supporting their family, particularly Josh's wife Kendra,
40:33
Speaker 1: and their children, and said that they were praying for
40:36
Speaker 1: the victim. Many of the other Dougger siblings have spoken
40:40
Speaker 1: out condemning Josh's behavior. Oh, Kendra Dugger, we talk about
40:45
Speaker 1: this already in jail phone calls. Has said that she's
40:47
Speaker 1: fighting for their children and discussed the emotional toll of
40:50
Speaker 1: the situation. I also read that the house that they
40:54
Speaker 1: live in she moved out by herself, like, moved everything
40:59
Speaker 1: out of it because her plan is to rent out
41:01
Speaker 1: that house because she needs income because he's not working.
41:04
Speaker 1: Right that part, I don't know. She's probably living with family. Well,
41:08
Speaker 1: the kids were taken away, hopefully, I don't know. The
41:11
Speaker 1: kids are taken away. I don't know if she'll be
41:12
Speaker 1: able to get them back. I was going to say,
41:14
Speaker 1: hopefully they're reunited with the mother, but then again, that's
41:17
Speaker 1: hard for me because.
41:18
Speaker 2: I don't know are they're in a situation that's best
41:19
Speaker 2: for them.
41:20
Speaker 1: I don't know what the details are of what how
41:23
Speaker 1: involved she was, and what this falsome prison and what
41:25
Speaker 1: this endangerment was within their home. I don't know. But anyway,
41:30
Speaker 1: she's renting out their home that they were living in
41:33
Speaker 1: so that she has some income. So I guess that's
41:35
Speaker 1: how she's going to try and survive until well, I
41:40
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if they would get back together.
41:42
Speaker 1: How do you I don't know how you continue on
41:44
Speaker 1: with someone.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
41:45
Speaker 1: If I found out something like that about you, I
41:47
Speaker 1: would not be like, we'll talk about this when you
41:50
Speaker 1: get out of jail. I feel like anyone that is
41:52
Speaker 1: attracted to anything that has to do with children is
41:56
Speaker 1: not something I ever want to be associated with, have
41:58
Speaker 1: a part of. And I don't feel like anyone can actually,
42:02
Speaker 1: I mean, can you be cured from that? Ugh? I
42:05
Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: No. Joseph is not the first Dugger family member involved
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Speaker 1: in abuse related allegations, and many responses referenced, repeated family trauma,
42:15
Speaker 1: the importance of accountability and protecting children over preserving reputations.
42:21
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42:23
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42:26
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