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The Kenny Report | 10 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. The social Media Band for
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Speaker 2: Under sixteens now in force and already being worked around.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with Shadow Communications Minister Melissa Macintosh, the Communications
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Speaker 2: Minister Anika Wells ducking for cover while the PM plays
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Speaker 2: the gender card and the nannies. Tonight the annual awards
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Speaker 2: for nanny state excess.
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Speaker 1: I'll have the winners. You won't believe the absurdity.
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Speaker 2: And Alexander Downer joins us to talk about a new
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Speaker 2: biography detailing his time as Australia's longest serving foreign minister.
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Speaker 2: All that plus Pauline Hansen and the Wednesday wrangle, let's
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Speaker 2: get cracking. The Prime Minister was pretty chaffed with himself today,
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Speaker 2: claiming to be leading the world with the Social Media
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Speaker 2: Band for Under sixteens coming into force today.
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Speaker 3: It's such a fantastic day and a proud day to
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Speaker 3: be Prime Minister of Australia. This is world leading legislation.
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Speaker 3: This is families taking back ownership of what happens in
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Speaker 3: their households. It is empowering parents to have those discussions
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Speaker 3: with their children. But it's about giving children back their childhood.
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Speaker 2: Really, government giving back childhoods, isn't it parents and children
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Speaker 2: who actually decide what sorts of childhoods they have. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albernezi was so excited about this band that he summons
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Speaker 2: an audience to Kiribilly House his officials Sydney Harbor Home
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Speaker 2: to mark the occasion. And there with him, no longer
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Speaker 2: able to hide, was the Communications Minister Annika Wells, the
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Speaker 2: minister in charge of implementing the band, but who at
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Speaker 2: the moment is dominating social media traffic where voters are
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Speaker 2: airing their disgust at her extensive and expensive use of
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Speaker 2: family reunion trips and other travel entitlements. Wells tried to
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Speaker 2: head off the controversy by self reporting for an audit
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Speaker 2: of her expenses, but the questions are still coming thick
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Speaker 2: and fast.
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Speaker 4: I'm happy to answer these questions. I understand that people
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Speaker 4: want value for taxpayer money. I take taxpayer money really seriously,
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Speaker 4: and I'm happy for you guys to have this debate.
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Speaker 2: Well, she should take taxpayers money seriously, because she's spending
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Speaker 2: serious amounts of it so that her husband and sometimes
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Speaker 2: the kids too, can accompany her to AFL games, NRL games,
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Speaker 2: cricket matches and even rock concerts. She reckons it's all
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Speaker 2: fair enough.
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Speaker 4: I love this question because for the absolute vast majority
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Speaker 4: of items in my program week in week out, now,
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Speaker 4: my family aren't there. As many people who have fi
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Speaker 4: FO workers in their families don't have their family attend
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Speaker 4: these things. We have used family reunion entitlements within the
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Speaker 4: rules on occasion, but within the vast numbers of items
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Speaker 4: in my diaria across the three and a half years, No,
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Speaker 4: they haven't been there.
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Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister is not only standing by his minister,
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Speaker 2: he's also tried to play the gender.
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Speaker 3: Card, one of the issues of Minister Wells, for example,
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Speaker 3: has three young children. She got birth to twins while
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Speaker 3: in office. I think it's a good thing that Parliament
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Speaker 3: is more representative than it used to be. People have
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Speaker 3: a long time away from their families, from their children
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Speaker 3: and from their partners.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the rules in place for that.
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Speaker 2: Oh please, what a desperate effort. I mean, Wells lives
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Speaker 2: in Brisbane and she took her husband to an Oasis
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Speaker 2: concert in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Where were the kids? Then?
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Speaker 2: Only how Labor weaponized expense scandals against Bromwin Bishop and
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee in the past, fair enough, but when they're
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Speaker 2: caught out they try to use gender as a defense
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Speaker 2: and play victim. It's all a bit weak, hypocritical and
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Speaker 2: sickening actually when you consider they still haven't apologized to
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Speaker 2: former Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds for falsely accusing her of
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Speaker 2: covering up another woman's rape allegation a vile slur to
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Speaker 2: make against a woman, made by labor women and men
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Speaker 2: without any basis in fact, and still no apology from
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister or his colleagues. Still back to Anaka Wells,
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Speaker 2: and the Opposition wants more action.
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Speaker 5: I think there's a chance the minister or code of
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Speaker 5: conduct has also been breached. It should be referred to
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Speaker 5: the Secretary of PM and CY to investigate, and Minster
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Speaker 5: Wells should stand aside while that investigation takes place, as
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Speaker 5: is standard practice.
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Speaker 1: But Wells is digging in for now.
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Speaker 4: People do not want parliamentarians to set these rules, So
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Speaker 4: whatever my opinion is, it shouldn't matter because I should
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Speaker 4: not set the rules.
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Speaker 6: Parluntarians should not set the rules.
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Speaker 4: These things should and do operate at arm's length for us.
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Speaker 6: My job is to follow the rules.
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Speaker 2: No your job is actually to use some judgment and
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Speaker 2: not abuse your privileges. Grabbing all you can, while perhaps
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Speaker 2: technically within the rules, is not the right way of
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Speaker 2: looking at these things. We expect ministers to use taxpayers
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Speaker 2: money wisely, and they're supposed to use their entitlements in
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Speaker 2: good faith and with some common sense. And there's scared
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Speaker 2: evidence of this approach from labor right now.
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Speaker 1: Quite the opposite.
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Speaker 2: They appear arrogant, entitled, and out of touch. Alberniz needs
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Speaker 2: to set the tone, but once more he's sitting back
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Speaker 2: and doing nothing. Just on the social media ban itself.
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Speaker 2: Let's see how it goes. I doubt it'll be very successful.
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Speaker 2: Kids are already finding ways to get around it.
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Speaker 1: There's a high.
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Speaker 2: Court challenge looming, and new platforms are being created all
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Speaker 2: the time, So legislating away the evils of social media
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Speaker 2: won't be easy and it'll constantly throw up new challenges, undoubtedly,
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Speaker 2: but Anthony Alberanzi has given himself a very low bar
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Speaker 2: for success.
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Speaker 7: Success is the fact that it's happening. Success is the
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Speaker 7: fact that we're having this discussion. Parents are talking to
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Speaker 7: their children around the breakfast table.
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Speaker 2: Really instituting complex new laws and imposing a ban is
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Speaker 2: successful just because it's got people talking about the ban.
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Speaker 2: As we'd say on social media. OMG, sounds like Albanzi
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Speaker 2: is getting ready for failure already.
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: There are people right across the now applauding this ban
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Speaker 2: and cheering for it. They're praising the politicians for bringing
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Speaker 2: it in, and they're pretending it's going to change the world.
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Speaker 2: It's a classic case of how in the modern world,
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Speaker 2: too many people want governments to solve all their problems.
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Speaker 2: Governments tend to create more problems than they solve. Just
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Speaker 2: look at our electricity grid, or the federal budget or
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Speaker 2: the education system. The thing with kids and social media
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Speaker 2: is that parents need to take more responsibility themselves. First up,
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Speaker 2: perhaps don't let your kids have smartphones until they're sixteen.
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Speaker 2: That solves the problem in large part, learn to say no.
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Speaker 2: And perhaps more to the point, parents should stay off
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Speaker 2: social media themselves at least some of the time. Engaging
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Speaker 2: with our kids instead of engaging with our phones is
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Speaker 2: one of the best ways to keep both the adults
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Speaker 2: and the teenagers away from this stuff. I have to
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Speaker 2: remind myself of this stuff all the time, getting off
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Speaker 2: Twitter was the best thing I did for my sanity
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Speaker 2: and for my family. This is too big an issue
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Speaker 2: for governments to fix. It's a huge challenge for society.
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Speaker 2: Too many people are allowing the digital age, the information age,
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Speaker 2: to dumb us down instead of improve our lives.
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Speaker 1: No government ban is going to turn that around. This
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Speaker 1: one is up to us.
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Speaker 2: The latest scandal involving the BBC in the UK again
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Speaker 2: shows how the British public broadcaster and our national broadcaster,
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Speaker 2: the ABC are like peas in a pod when it
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Speaker 2: comes to political bias, especially when it comes to their
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Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome. Just weeks ago, the BBC chair and
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Speaker 2: its head of news resigned after the broadcaster was exposed
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Speaker 2: for using tricky editing to suggest Donald Trump had urged
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Speaker 2: violence on the day of the Capitol Hill riots back
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and last month I showed you
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Speaker 2: how the ABC's Sarah Ferguson used dodgy edits on four
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Speaker 2: Corners in a very similar way to give the same
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Speaker 2: false impression, But unlike the BBC, the ABC refused to
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Speaker 2: investigate or apologize. The latest controversy again relates to Trump
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Speaker 2: and reporting last year about retric he used in the
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Speaker 2: election campaign against prominent Republican critic Liz Cheney.
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Speaker 1: Is how it was reported.
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Speaker 8: Four days out from election day, and former President Donald
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Speaker 8: Trump is escalating his violent rhetoric, suggesting one of his
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Speaker 8: most prominent critics, the former congresswoman Liz Cheney, should be
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Speaker 8: fired upon.
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Speaker 2: And of course our own ABC went with that interpretation.
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Speaker 9: Donald Trump certainly took that acrimonious step first in that
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Speaker 9: interview with Tucker Carlson, describing her as a very dumb person,
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Speaker 9: a warhawk, and even raising the hypothetical, I guess of
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Speaker 9: her facing a firing squad. Let's have a listen to
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Speaker 9: those comments, and then the rejection of those comments by
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Speaker 9: the Vice President Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 10: She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a
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Speaker 10: Raphael Stanley there with nine barrel shooting at her. Okay,
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Speaker 10: let's see how she feels about it, you know, when
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Speaker 10: the guns are trained on her face.
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Speaker 2: Our own Jack Houghton teased out the details and the
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Speaker 2: facts about all of this on the media show last year.
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Speaker 11: So did Donald Trump call for a political adversary to
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Speaker 11: face a firing squad? Well, according to Snopes, he did not.
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Speaker 11: Despite valin rhetoric, Trump did not threaten to have Liz
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Speaker 11: Cheney shot in context, his words did not amount to
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Speaker 11: an explicit threat against Cheney. Now, let's listen to what
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Speaker 11: Trump actually said.
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Speaker 10: She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a
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Speaker 10: Raphael Stanley with nine barrel shooting at her. Okay, let's
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Speaker 10: see how she feels about it. You know, when the
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Speaker 10: guns are trained in her face. You know, there are
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Speaker 10: warhawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nation building saying, oh,
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Speaker 10: do you will, let's send Let's send ten thousand troops
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Speaker 10: right into the mouth of the enemy.
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Speaker 11: As snoops confirmed, there was no threat to stand her
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Speaker 11: before a firing squad. It was just a complete lie.
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Speaker 11: Trump was making the point that people who advocate for
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Speaker 11: wars or spout expansionist military policies probably would not like
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Speaker 11: to be in a war zone where guns are pointed
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Speaker 11: at them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was another clear cutcase, just typical of the
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Speaker 2: way the media sensationalizes and deliberately misinterprets so much of
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Speaker 2: what Donald Trump has to say, as if he isn't
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Speaker 2: controversial enough without embellishment. Of course, the BBC also joined
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Speaker 2: in on this particular twisting of the facts against Trump,
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Speaker 2: and now that inaccurate and mis leading reporting has been
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Speaker 2: called out with revelations of an internal inquiry at the
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Speaker 2: BBC finding its reports were not accurate and that they
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Speaker 2: failed their editorial guidelines. So it's more embarrassment for the BBC,
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Speaker 2: and once more they've been forced to apologize. The good
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Speaker 2: news on this occasion for the ABC is that it
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Speaker 2: issued a correction on this last year, recognizing that several
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Speaker 2: of its news reports had incorrectly said that Trump was
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Speaker 2: advocating violence.
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Speaker 1: Against Liz Cheney, when in fact the.
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Speaker 2: Full context showed he was criticizing her alleged willingness to
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Speaker 2: commit America to wars.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: Once more, the ABC and the BBC united in their
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Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome, united in telling their audience's falsehoods in
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Speaker 2: order to attack the US President. But on this occasion
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Speaker 2: it was the ABC that corrected itself earlier, although it's
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Speaker 2: worth noting they didn't do that until after Trump was
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Speaker 2: re elected. Let's catch up now with the Shadow Communications
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Speaker 2: Minister Melissa Macintosh joining us from Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Melissa.
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Speaker 2: A big day for this social media band coming into place.
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Speaker 2: What's the feedback that you're getting. We know about some workarounds.
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Speaker 2: I'll ask you about those in a moment, But have
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Speaker 2: teenagers had their accounts suspended? Are people letting you know
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Speaker 2: that it's working in some cases?
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Speaker 12: I was stopped on the high Street of Penrith this
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Speaker 12: afternoon by a father and his daughter who's about fourteen,
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Speaker 12: and she said she was kicked off, but her mate wasn't.
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Speaker 6: Her mate's really happy.
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Speaker 12: So I think we're hearing similar stories across the country.
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Speaker 12: And I've been warning about kids just moving across to
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Speaker 12: other platforms and not getting off social media at all.
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Speaker 12: I am astonished that the Prime Minister today could not
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Speaker 12: say what success was when it comes to very what
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Speaker 12: he's been declaring world first legislation. We all put it
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Speaker 12: through Parliament and the Minister herself not being able to
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Speaker 12: say what success is. So what are we just having
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Speaker 12: a great time? I really don't understand that, because that
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Speaker 12: means that they're trying to get.
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Speaker 6: Off the hook.
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Speaker 12: If it does fail, it's hard to draw attention to
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Speaker 12: those failures.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll find out in coming days. I suppose
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Speaker 2: we should get some numbers. I suppose of how many
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Speaker 2: accounts have been suspended. We'll get feedback from parents and
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Speaker 2: children who are confirming that their accounts have closed. But
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Speaker 2: there are reports, of course, as you refer to, of workarounds,
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Speaker 2: people are either faking their age or they're using VPNs
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Speaker 2: to pretend their accounts are hosted in other countries. And
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Speaker 2: there are new platforms being promulgated all the time on
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Speaker 2: the technology side. This is going to be almost impossible
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Speaker 2: to enforce, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: I think so.
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Speaker 12: And these are platforms that are emerging that were not
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Speaker 12: popular a couple of weeks ago are popular now. And
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Speaker 12: on the get arounds, I've been told that, you know,
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Speaker 12: kids are putting on makeup to try and look older
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Speaker 12: and it seems to be working. But these are all
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Speaker 12: the risks that I've been warning about for months and
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Speaker 12: months now, and that the age verification technologies rushed. The
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Speaker 12: trial showed so many errors. And I don't want to
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Speaker 12: stand here, stand here and just be super negative, but
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Speaker 12: I think it's worth pointing out the risks to failure
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Speaker 12: because a lot of parents across the country are relying
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Speaker 12: on this band working for their children. And you know,
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Speaker 12: when do we have a measurement for success.
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Speaker 2: Well, That's the trouble is if there's a false premise there,
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Speaker 2: if parents are thinking that technology's taking care of it,
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Speaker 2: the government's taking care of it, it.
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Speaker 1: May not be the case.
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Speaker 2: Now I highlighted as well, there's very low bar that
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi has set himself. It's ludicrous. In fact, just
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Speaker 2: the fact that the people are talking about the ban
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Speaker 2: is a win. Now that's nonsensical. What would you see
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Speaker 2: as a win for this legislation. Would you need to
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Speaker 2: see some numbers fulfilled or fulfilled, or some sort of
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Speaker 2: feedback from the digital giants themselves that they are that
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Speaker 2: people are not dropping around, that they're numbers of users
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Speaker 2: in Australia has dropped.
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Speaker 12: The Prime Minister is basically saying it's just about the
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Speaker 12: vibe and we're having a chat about it.
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Speaker 6: Isn't it?
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Speaker 12: Isn't it wonderful? What happened to evidence based policy making?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 12: The concern around just around you know, we're having a chat.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is the.
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Speaker 12: Level of detail that was put into the roll out.
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Speaker 12: No detail. We know that this minister is hopeless when
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Speaker 12: it comes to being across the detail, but it should
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Speaker 12: be things like how many you know, counting who's off
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Speaker 12: of it, but also around mental health. I think that
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Speaker 12: would be a very important measurement, and I've started calling
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Speaker 12: for the government to invest more in youth mental health,
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Speaker 12: particularly if kids are having a tough time getting off
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Speaker 12: so suicide rates, presentations to hospitals, things like that, really
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Speaker 12: serious things. Because at the end of the day, this
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Speaker 12: is what got the campaign over the line, was protecting
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Speaker 12: young people, of course from harm, but protecting their mental health.
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Speaker 12: So that should be built into it. And one thing
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Speaker 12: that should not happen, which I've been pushing really hard on,
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Speaker 12: is around this digital id the Australians very personal information
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Speaker 12: going off shore into a data center and we don't
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Speaker 12: know what happens to that information from there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're right to be very very skeptical and worried
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Speaker 2: about that sort of proposition. Let me get you on
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Speaker 2: your counterpart on the Minister Anika Wells and the travel
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Speaker 2: allowance scandal she's going through.
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Speaker 1: Here's a little bit more of what she had to
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Speaker 1: say today.
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Speaker 4: These rules are set at arm's length from parliamentarians. These
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Speaker 4: rules were made under the previous government. I have during
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Speaker 4: my time been abided by. I'm abided by the rules.
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Speaker 4: The whole time I've been a parliamentarian. Parlamentarians must follow
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Speaker 4: the rules. I have followed the rules. If you regularly
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Speaker 4: reviews all of these things, my job is.
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Speaker 6: To follow the rules. I have followed the rules.
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Speaker 1: Melissa, is following the rules good enough? Or do you
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Speaker 1: need to have a higher standard for public accountability?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: Okay, I just say at least the minister finally fronted
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Speaker 12: the media today. Other labor colleagues of her have been
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Speaker 12: hiding from the media, including the Greens now too. But
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Speaker 12: it's saying I'm following the rules. Well, there is a
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Speaker 12: higher expectation. There's a high expectation on members of Parliament.
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Speaker 12: But when you become a shadow Cabinet minister, you also
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Speaker 12: have to adhere to the Prime Minister's Code of Conduct,
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Speaker 12: and in that it very clearly says what ministers should
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Speaker 12: and should not do, including around the use excessive use
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Speaker 12: of taxpayer money. So you know this is not just
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Speaker 12: a one off for this minister. She left her post
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Speaker 12: during a triple zero crisis to go to New York to.
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Speaker 6: Jump up and down and do.
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Speaker 12: A pr exercise around the band that hadn't even come
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Speaker 12: into place yet, and that was one of her measurements
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Speaker 12: of success that the world now knows about it. I
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Speaker 12: don't know why that matters, if the world's following Australia
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Speaker 12: or not.
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Speaker 6: Should be focused here.
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Speaker 12: And you know she's spent excessively that one thousand dollars
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Speaker 12: or more on that com car when she went into
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Speaker 12: the tennis for seven hours.
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Speaker 6: How is that following the rules?
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Speaker 12: I really think she's been wraughting the system on this one.
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Speaker 6: And I think it is time that we have an.
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Speaker 12: Overhaul of these entitlements to make sure that people do
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Speaker 12: follow their rules and they're sensible and ministers and cabinet
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Speaker 12: ministers first and foremost are doing the right thing. The
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister needs to show more leadershi on this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a step in. He can't just sit
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Speaker 1: back and watch all this.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, joining us, Melissa McIntosh, appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Melissa macintosh there, who's the shadow Communications Minister? And we'll
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Speaker 2: talk some more about these travel allowance scandals, one involving
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Speaker 2: the Greens. Now I want to cross to Brisbane and
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Speaker 2: catch up with One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Pauline. Why don't we.
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Speaker 2: Start on these travel allowances because the latest revelations really
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Speaker 2: to relate to your your senate colleague, Sarah Hanson Young,
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Speaker 2: you'r senate to opponent Sarah Hanson Young, the Green Senator,
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Speaker 2: and the claims in The Australian that are yet to
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Speaker 2: be denied by her that she's been using her family
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Speaker 2: reunion travel entitlement to fly her husband, Ben Oaquist, between
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Speaker 2: Adelaide and Canberra. Now, Ben our Oaquist, as you know,
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Speaker 2: is the former chief of staff to Green's leader Bob Brown.
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Speaker 1: He's now a lobbyist. He's formerly with the Australia Institute
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Speaker 1: as well. He's a lobbyist.
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Speaker 2: Could it be right that he would be flying back
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Speaker 2: and forth between Canberra on government tax dollars?
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Speaker 13: Maybe the case she does have the right under the
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Speaker 13: rules to bring her partner to Canberra, so.
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Speaker 6: That he's under the rules.
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Speaker 13: I don't know how often. I have no idea about
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Speaker 13: the cost involved with this, but if he's a lobbyist,
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Speaker 13: he would take that opportunity. So anyway, Chris, that's not
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Speaker 13: for me to say. That's for investigation be held into it.
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Speaker 13: But if the rule says she can bring her husband
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Speaker 13: or her partner and that it's in the rules.
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Speaker 1: That she can, but he worked, but he works in Canberra.
21:36
Speaker 1: He works in canbra loving politicians.
21:39
Speaker 2: So you're saying if that is within the rules, then
21:42
Speaker 2: that would be okay.
21:45
Speaker 13: I'm not saying it's okay, Chris. What I'm saying is
21:48
Speaker 13: it isn't the rules. So then you change the rules
21:50
Speaker 13: if you know people are so angry about this and
21:53
Speaker 13: what's going on, and they should be. There's no problem.
21:57
Speaker 13: I've never had my partner because I'm not married by
22:01
Speaker 13: once on this. You know for partners or family to fly.
22:07
Speaker 13: So I've never done it once. So in the nine
22:10
Speaker 13: and a half years that have been back in Parliament
22:12
Speaker 13: even prior to that, so you know, it's apparently Senate
22:16
Speaker 13: a payment, it's another one. It's over one hundred and
22:19
Speaker 13: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars for it. So it
22:23
Speaker 13: really comes back to what it's right and what is
22:27
Speaker 13: fair and what is just. Now it doesn't pass the
22:30
Speaker 13: pub test with a lot of people, so there sure,
22:33
Speaker 13: if it doesn't pass the pub test, then it changes,
22:36
Speaker 13: then change the rules.
22:38
Speaker 2: So you think there should be a complete reviewer rules, correct. Yeah,
22:44
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people around the country would
22:46
Speaker 2: agree with you because some of this stuff we know
22:49
Speaker 2: is within the rules, and even then it looks way
22:51
Speaker 2: over the top. Let's get onto energy and the new
22:55
Speaker 2: system plan came out today. As we foreshadowed last night,
23:00
Speaker 2: Coal's got to stick around longer. It says there's going
23:03
Speaker 2: to be another three billion dollars. It says the net
23:05
Speaker 2: zero plan's going to cost close to two hundred billion
23:09
Speaker 2: dollars when you.
23:10
Speaker 1: Include rooftop per solar.
23:12
Speaker 2: But Daniel Westerman, the man who heads up the Australian
23:15
Speaker 2: electricity market, have a listen to what he's got to say.
23:18
Speaker 1: He pins it all on coal.
23:20
Speaker 14: Australia's coal find power stations are old, they're retiring, and
23:24
Speaker 14: the demand needs of Australians are growing and the best
23:28
Speaker 14: way to meet those needs is through investments in renewable energy.
23:34
Speaker 14: Infirming through batteries and pumped hydro backed up by gas.
23:39
Speaker 14: Is that ultimate reliability backstop for the grid and connected
23:43
Speaker 14: in with investments in transmission.
23:46
Speaker 1: Paul, and it's time to cool this stuff out.
23:49
Speaker 2: This is not factual what these bureaucrats are spinning, trying
23:54
Speaker 2: to pin price increases on a failing coal generators when
23:59
Speaker 2: the whole system misdesigned to force those cold generators out
24:03
Speaker 2: and then he pretends that the cheapest solution is renewable
24:08
Speaker 2: energy and batteries and hydro. Has he looked what's happening
24:11
Speaker 2: at snowy two point zero. It's going to cost twenty
24:14
Speaker 2: billion dollars and it was supposed to be operating two
24:16
Speaker 2: years ago.
24:19
Speaker 13: Correct, Chris, look at we know the issues there, but
24:23
Speaker 13: there's Labor Party and the Prime Minister and especially Bow
24:26
Speaker 13: and Chris Bonn doesn't want to admit that they got
24:29
Speaker 13: it wrong. One nation has been vindicated because we put
24:33
Speaker 13: out our energy policy last weekend which was published in
24:37
Speaker 13: the papers across the country. And what the Ameo AMEO
24:44
Speaker 13: is saying that the vindicated what we've said. We have said,
24:50
Speaker 13: stick with coal, put in three col five power stations,
24:53
Speaker 13: one at Colinsville, one in New South Wales, one in
24:55
Speaker 13: South Australia. Put in a nuclear power plant and with
25:01
Speaker 13: Cole has to see us through for a lot longer.
25:04
Speaker 13: Yet look at hydro. For Hellsgate gam And Dam in
25:08
Speaker 13: North Queensland. We need to look at hydro. We need
25:11
Speaker 13: to have a diversity. The one hundred and twenty eight billion,
25:14
Speaker 13: this is costing up another three billion in all these
25:16
Speaker 13: transmission lines they're actually putting in. Will I tell you
25:19
Speaker 13: what's going to happen. A lot of people are actually
25:20
Speaker 13: going to solar they are they're going to put in
25:24
Speaker 13: some batteries as well. So these people who were left
25:27
Speaker 13: getting the power from the grid, their costs are going
25:30
Speaker 13: to go up. So you've got about one hundred and
25:33
Speaker 13: thirty thousand people in Australia who are under energy power stress.
25:37
Speaker 13: That means they're are in about fourteen hundred. You've got
25:39
Speaker 13: forty five percent of businesses under energy stress paying the bills.
25:44
Speaker 13: We've lost fourteen hundred industries and manufacturing. Tommy come, Tommy
25:49
Speaker 13: comate go as well. So all it's done is put
25:52
Speaker 13: our country into poverty, losing industries, manufacturing.
25:58
Speaker 1: Cost and the household for what is a mess.
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Speaker 13: It's about time these politicians were actually called out and
26:04
Speaker 13: have to be answill for the decisions that they make,
26:07
Speaker 13: the lies they give to the trained people. I want
26:10
Speaker 13: to set up an independent board that if they fail
26:13
Speaker 13: in their promises and cost to the country, then they
26:17
Speaker 13: must lose their jobs.
26:20
Speaker 2: Well, they're failing on their promises when it comes to
26:22
Speaker 2: electricity prices and on their promises to reduce carbon emissions.
26:25
Speaker 1: At the moment.
26:26
Speaker 2: So they're failing on both counts. It's an absolute shambles.
26:29
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauling all right, Pauling Hanson, they're
26:33
Speaker 2: the one nation leader joining us from Queensland.
26:36
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break. On the other side,
26:37
Speaker 1: we're going to have.
26:38
Speaker 2: The Nannies, the annual awards for nanny state excess.
26:42
Speaker 1: I got some absolute rippers. You won't believe them.
26:49
Speaker 2: Okay, time for a bit of fun, but there's a
26:51
Speaker 2: serious message behind this. When it comes to nanny states
26:54
Speaker 2: and interfering governments, it's awards season.
26:57
Speaker 1: It's not the LOGIS or the oscars, but it's the
27:00
Speaker 1: Nanny State Awards.
27:01
Speaker 2: They're handed out by the Center for Independent Studies for
27:04
Speaker 2: absurd or overreaching attempts by government to medal in our lives.
27:09
Speaker 2: Peter Kurdy from the CIS joins me in the studio.
27:12
Speaker 2: Good to see you when Peter.
27:13
Speaker 15: Thanks Chris.
27:14
Speaker 1: Great, look these some of these are hilarious. Let's start
27:17
Speaker 1: going through one of them.
27:18
Speaker 2: In South Australia, forget about banning plastic straws. They want
27:22
Speaker 2: to ban those little fish shape fish shape soy sauce bottles.
27:26
Speaker 15: They are considered a great a great moral hazard that
27:29
Speaker 15: needs to be addressed. So no more, no more fish
27:33
Speaker 15: shaped soy bottles or anything that can can interfere with
27:39
Speaker 15: your with your moral enjoyment of Japanese food.
27:42
Speaker 2: So what happens we have to tip the soy sauce
27:44
Speaker 2: on while we're in the shop before we leave. We
27:46
Speaker 2: can't be taking away in the little plastic plastic fish.
27:49
Speaker 1: It looks like it now, Victoria, and this is batty right.
27:55
Speaker 2: Planning controls for fast food outlets, Well, they decide whether
27:59
Speaker 2: your suburb is too fat for a KFC.
28:02
Speaker 15: Correct, And it means that the government is going to
28:04
Speaker 15: be looking to see who is eating what and where.
28:07
Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting that the.
28:09
Speaker 15: Program I was, which I was watching as I was
28:11
Speaker 15: waiting to come on, it has really all been about
28:13
Speaker 15: government over each in ways, and we're seeing this is
28:15
Speaker 15: that the this is the extreme end of government over
28:18
Speaker 15: each where it'll decide. Government will decide what you can
28:21
Speaker 15: eat and where you can eat it, and which spots
28:23
Speaker 15: need to be guarded against because they are deemed unhealthy.
28:26
Speaker 2: It's just it's just all Willian in its overreach. Is
28:30
Speaker 2: this actually happening or was it just a proposal?
28:33
Speaker 15: It was a proposal. It was a proposal, and it is.
28:35
Speaker 15: I mean, it's fun for us to do. We do
28:37
Speaker 15: this every year and we get a laugh out of it.
28:39
Speaker 15: But there is this moral point, this rather this serious
28:41
Speaker 15: point about about moral overreach and and the sense of
28:45
Speaker 15: which government is. And I think in many ways we
28:47
Speaker 15: welcome government interfering with our with our privacy and with
28:52
Speaker 15: our freedom.
28:52
Speaker 1: I think we asked for it too much.
28:54
Speaker 2: One of my points about this social media about it
28:56
Speaker 2: is it's the public saying government fix this for us
28:58
Speaker 2: when it's something that individuals.
29:00
Speaker 1: Should be dealing with.
29:01
Speaker 2: And when you talk about this overreach on the fast food,
29:04
Speaker 2: of course it leads to another one where again people
29:06
Speaker 2: are pushing.
29:06
Speaker 1: For a sugar TANKDD. That's right. Where's that happening now?
29:10
Speaker 15: That is happening in our very own state of New
29:13
Speaker 15: South Wales, where there's a push to target sweet tasting
29:17
Speaker 15: pre mixed drinks, but there's also a national push, a
29:20
Speaker 15: federal push to reduce the amount of sugar that we
29:24
Speaker 15: take in drinks. I have to say, just picking up
29:27
Speaker 15: on the points you're making about the media ban, that
29:30
Speaker 15: all of these proposals can be dimmed to be successful
29:32
Speaker 15: because we're talking about.
29:33
Speaker 1: Them on our boats measure. These are all successful. There's
29:38
Speaker 1: another absurd one here.
29:39
Speaker 2: Then, the animal rights people want feathers banned from the
29:43
Speaker 2: brownlow red carpet.
29:45
Speaker 1: Look, we can't wear feathers now.
29:47
Speaker 15: We have a lot of fun with the People's Ethical
29:49
Speaker 15: Treatment of Animals movement, and every year something that they
29:52
Speaker 15: say pops up. This year, you're right, it's about banning
29:55
Speaker 15: feathers on the brown low red carpet and redefining father's
30:00
Speaker 15: for various animals so that we don't have that emphasis
30:02
Speaker 15: on fathers, but we can emphasize the place of certain
30:05
Speaker 15: animals in family life.
30:07
Speaker 2: Good lord, Now, speaking of animals, this is an absolute
30:09
Speaker 2: ripper to me. This perhaps should have won, but it didn't.
30:13
Speaker 2: It's a finalist, I think, and that is in the
30:14
Speaker 2: Act they've got government guidelines for your dog's welfare and
30:21
Speaker 2: apparently you've got to make sure you're talking to your
30:23
Speaker 2: dog enough.
30:25
Speaker 15: I would want to say to you, you can't make
30:26
Speaker 15: this stuff up, but you don't have to make it
30:28
Speaker 15: up because it's true.
30:29
Speaker 1: That's right.
30:30
Speaker 15: In the Act, they've deemed that there needs to be
30:33
Speaker 15: that canine human contact for three hours a day. How
30:36
Speaker 15: they're going to manage that one and enforce it. I
30:38
Speaker 15: have no idea, but the Act seems to think that's
30:41
Speaker 15: the way to go when it comes to looking after
30:43
Speaker 15: your dogs.
30:44
Speaker 1: So under the.
30:46
Speaker 2: Guidelines, you're supposed to spend three hours a day with
30:50
Speaker 2: your dog.
30:50
Speaker 1: They'll have dog.
30:51
Speaker 2: Police presumably to come around if you're not spending enough
30:53
Speaker 2: time with your dog.
30:54
Speaker 1: What do they do? Take the dog away or take
30:56
Speaker 1: you away?
30:57
Speaker 15: There's probably an app that won't be covered by the
30:59
Speaker 15: social media that allow them to monitor that.
31:02
Speaker 1: Okay.
31:03
Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to other finalists, there was one
31:05
Speaker 2: that was highly ranked, and that is the federal government
31:08
Speaker 2: is it charging looking to charge for freedom of information applications?
31:15
Speaker 1: Now this has been cut off.
31:16
Speaker 15: Right, fifty eight dollars a hit, So you will call
31:18
Speaker 15: this a truth tax. We're calling it a truth tax
31:21
Speaker 15: that it'll cost you to find out the truth, to
31:23
Speaker 15: get information that should be accessible to the public, you
31:26
Speaker 15: have to be fifty eight bucks.
31:27
Speaker 2: Again, is this happening or was it a proposal that
31:31
Speaker 2: has been killed off?
31:32
Speaker 15: I'm as I find as. I'm aware it's a proposal,
31:35
Speaker 15: but you know, proposals one day enforced and legislator the next.
31:40
Speaker 1: Well, drum roll, drum, roll.
31:42
Speaker 2: We need to mention the winner of the Nanny Awards
31:46
Speaker 2: this year the number one case of government overreach and
31:49
Speaker 2: nanny state laws, and surprise, surprise, it comes from the
31:52
Speaker 2: People's Republic of Victoria.
31:55
Speaker 1: Tell us about this one, Peter.
31:56
Speaker 15: Well, this is a concern in Victoria about knife crime. Now,
31:59
Speaker 15: knife crime, it's a serious matter. We all accept that
32:02
Speaker 15: and that there are some serious issues that have to
32:03
Speaker 15: be addressed. But the way the Victorians want to deal
32:06
Speaker 15: with this is by having machette disposal bins where people
32:09
Speaker 15: can drop in their knives. That in itself sounds like
32:12
Speaker 15: a reasonable thing, you know, trading in your machete and
32:17
Speaker 15: having a place you deposit it. The problem is that
32:19
Speaker 15: this project is costing thirteen million dollars to provide these
32:23
Speaker 15: boxes which you could in which people can drop their
32:26
Speaker 15: unused machetes.
32:27
Speaker 2: The machete bin excess thirteen million dollars and you can
32:31
Speaker 2: update your reward now because they've finished. They have actually
32:34
Speaker 2: pulled the machete bins out. Now they're now at the
32:36
Speaker 2: rubbish stump. And guess what, knife crime is still a problem, Yes, Victoria.
32:42
Speaker 15: Yes, it just shows it. And that just shows that
32:45
Speaker 15: the overreach of government into our lives. Is not the
32:48
Speaker 15: answer to the social problems that we often confront.
32:50
Speaker 1: Spot on, and that's why we hate the nanny state.
32:53
Speaker 1: I love the way you highlighted every year. Thanks for
32:54
Speaker 1: joining us, Peter.
32:55
Speaker 2: Thanks Chris Peter Curdy there from the Center for Independent Studies.
32:59
Speaker 1: We're going to have a break. On the other side.
33:00
Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Alexander Downer as I do each week,
33:03
Speaker 2: but I want to talk to him about a new
33:05
Speaker 2: biography detailing his time as Australia's.
33:08
Speaker 1: Longest serving foreign minister.
33:14
Speaker 2: Let's go to Adelaide and catch up with our next guest,
33:17
Speaker 2: the Australia's longest serving foreign Minister, Alexander Downer. It's his hometown,
33:21
Speaker 2: of course. Alexander, thanks for joining us. So you're not
33:24
Speaker 2: going to like it tonight because I want to talk
33:27
Speaker 2: in the entirety of this segment about this new biography
33:32
Speaker 2: about your life written by your time as foreign minister,
33:35
Speaker 2: written by Tony Parkinson. I know you've got an official
33:38
Speaker 2: launch for it in Melbourne on Sunday.
33:41
Speaker 1: Are you looking forward to that.
33:45
Speaker 16: Monday? Well, I'm not really looking forward to it. That's
33:50
Speaker 16: a good question which I think I have to answer
33:53
Speaker 16: very frankly, somebody writing a book about you is a
33:57
Speaker 16: bit discomforting. And I've read the book and there are
34:02
Speaker 16: of course inevitably positive but negative things in it as well,
34:09
Speaker 16: so you have to relevel of that when you're reading
34:12
Speaker 16: about yourself, which is fair enough. I suppose one observation
34:16
Speaker 16: I'd make is that there are endless biographies of labor
34:21
Speaker 16: and left wing people.
34:23
Speaker 1: There are very few of.
34:25
Speaker 16: The center right, and so the more that can be
34:28
Speaker 16: written about the center right and by the center right,
34:33
Speaker 16: the better. I think.
34:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get onto some of those serious issues in
34:37
Speaker 2: a moment, because you spend an incredible period and massive issues,
34:42
Speaker 2: But I want to start with something you hate, but
34:45
Speaker 2: I love this. It's a bit of cheeky humor in
34:47
Speaker 2: the title of the book. If we put the book
34:49
Speaker 2: back up here again, and this is a joke that
34:52
Speaker 2: I think the reviews that I've seen so far have missed.
34:55
Speaker 2: It's called a step to the right, which of course
34:58
Speaker 2: is a famous line from the Rocky Horror a picture show,
35:01
Speaker 2: and a reference to this picture that got you a
35:05
Speaker 2: lot of unfavorable coverage over the years. And I think
35:08
Speaker 2: you hate seeing it everywhere, but you've had a bit
35:10
Speaker 2: of a joke about it in the title here.
35:14
Speaker 16: No, I don't mind the picture. Actually it makes me
35:18
Speaker 16: look very young. I'd have to say this thing at
35:21
Speaker 16: it now. And as I say to people, that photograph
35:25
Speaker 16: was taken in nineteen ninety six. I never lost any
35:29
Speaker 16: votes because of it. I think everyone understood what it
35:33
Speaker 16: was a bit of a joke, a bit of fun
35:35
Speaker 16: in order to promote a charity.
35:39
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about nineteen ninety six, That, of course
35:41
Speaker 1: was the.
35:42
Speaker 2: Year when the Howard government was elected thirty years ago.
35:47
Speaker 2: Next year you were Foreign Minister through some incredible moments
35:52
Speaker 2: of upheaval there was independence for East Team or also,
35:57
Speaker 2: of course in two thousand and two, the Barley bombing
35:59
Speaker 2: is some I want to look at.
36:00
Speaker 1: Now.
36:01
Speaker 2: We've got some vision of you visiting Bali soon after
36:04
Speaker 2: the bombing and a little bit of what you had
36:06
Speaker 2: to say from Bali. This is about forty eight hours
36:11
Speaker 2: after the bombing.
36:13
Speaker 17: What I've seen today is enough to break anyone's heart.
36:17
Speaker 17: It's a simply shocking sight, ussily appalling, and it drives
36:22
Speaker 17: home to anybody the evil of terrorism, of mass murder
36:28
Speaker 17: that we've seen in Bali on the night of the
36:31
Speaker 17: twelfth of.
36:33
Speaker 2: October, Alexander tell us what that event meant to Australia
36:38
Speaker 2: and also to our relations with Indonesia.
36:44
Speaker 16: Well, I think it was a you know, out of
36:48
Speaker 16: extreme evil, as I'd articulated at the time, and the
36:52
Speaker 16: horror of the deaths, including deaths of Australians, came some
36:59
Speaker 16: good things, and one of them was an extraordinarily improved
37:05
Speaker 16: relationship with Indonesia. Cecilo bang Bang Judiono was the President
37:10
Speaker 16: of Indonesia at the time, and we worked very closely
37:17
Speaker 16: with the Indonesians in tracking down the people responsible for
37:21
Speaker 16: the bombing and helping ultimately with the reconstruction which was
37:26
Speaker 16: needed as well in Bali as a result of the bombing.
37:31
Speaker 16: So it really was a very important moment in building
37:37
Speaker 16: a relationship which became quite an emotional relationship between Australia
37:42
Speaker 16: and Indonesia.
37:44
Speaker 2: I also want to mention the Iraq War, and I've
37:47
Speaker 2: got some pictures here of you visiting Baghdad soon after
37:52
Speaker 2: the fall of Saddam Hussein. I should point out I
37:55
Speaker 2: was working for you at this time. I traveled with
37:57
Speaker 2: you the Bagdad and of course to the Bali bombing
37:59
Speaker 2: as well.
37:59
Speaker 15: Well.
38:00
Speaker 2: I think that's me in the background there. But let's
38:02
Speaker 2: have a listen to what you had to say there.
38:05
Speaker 18: We're in the coalition, and this particularly, of course the
38:08
Speaker 18: view of the Americans, who want to get out as
38:10
Speaker 18: soon as we can, but not so soon that we
38:12
Speaker 18: leave the place in the state of anarchy. And I think, frankly,
38:17
Speaker 18: you've got to get things in the right order. You've
38:20
Speaker 18: got to make sure that there is reasonably effective law
38:23
Speaker 18: and order on the ground in the capitol.
38:26
Speaker 2: That was precient, because of course this was the problem
38:29
Speaker 2: as we saw unfolding in the years afterwards, was the
38:31
Speaker 2: mismanagement afterwards led by the Americans. Do you have any
38:35
Speaker 2: regrets about getting into the war now with all that
38:38
Speaker 2: benefit of hindsight.
38:41
Speaker 16: No, I don't. If you think through the Canter narrative.
38:45
Speaker 16: What would have happened if we hadn't done it? If
38:48
Speaker 16: we and we are a bit where we're a bit player,
38:51
Speaker 16: to be frank if the Americans hadn't done it, what
38:55
Speaker 16: would have Sadam Hussein's regime have done next? It's just
39:01
Speaker 16: a matter of speculation, but there's no doubt that that
39:05
Speaker 16: was a regime which was deeply hostile to the West,
39:09
Speaker 16: to the interests of the West, and given the convulsions
39:13
Speaker 16: there have been in the Middle East recently, if you
39:16
Speaker 16: had had a country the size of Iraq on the
39:20
Speaker 16: side of Israel's enemies, then that would have had very
39:25
Speaker 16: severe implications for the stability of the region. So I
39:30
Speaker 16: don't have any regrets about it. And I think there
39:33
Speaker 16: are now whatever it is, twenty five million people in
39:38
Speaker 16: Iraq who live in a reasonably functioning not perfectly functioning,
39:45
Speaker 16: but a reasonably functioning democracy. And I hear that you know,
39:51
Speaker 16: Iraq is selling it's oil and gas at good prices
39:56
Speaker 16: and the economy is going through quite a positive period.
40:01
Speaker 2: Alexander, thanks for joining us again and good luck with
40:03
Speaker 2: the book launch and follow up starting next week.
40:07
Speaker 1: Alexander, down to there live from Adelaide.
40:10
Speaker 2: The book is cool to step to the writers, written
40:12
Speaker 2: by Tony Parkinson. It is a brilliant and serious read.
40:16
Speaker 2: I hope you can pick it up around the place.
40:18
Speaker 2: Kind of court is the publisher. We're going to get
40:20
Speaker 2: to a break on the other side the Wednesday Wrangle,
40:22
Speaker 2: Anika Wells ducking for cover well the PM plays the
40:25
Speaker 2: gender card. Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangle with Denika
40:34
Speaker 2: de Giorgio and justin. Great to see you the social
40:38
Speaker 2: media band. I don't suppose you've been locked out of
40:40
Speaker 2: any sites, justin, but are you pleased for the teenagers
40:44
Speaker 2: of the country.
40:47
Speaker 19: Look, it's going to take a fair while before we
40:50
Speaker 19: have a clue whether this really works on on you know,
40:53
Speaker 19: I get you know, you get the feeling here that
40:55
Speaker 19: the government's kind of betting on a miracle. I support
40:58
Speaker 19: the band, by the way, but I kind of just hoping.
41:01
Speaker 1: That it'll all work out in the end.
41:03
Speaker 19: I think we're probably about five years away from figuring
41:05
Speaker 19: out whether it worked or not.
41:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, before I come to you, Denika, I just
41:09
Speaker 2: want to show you how some young people are boasting
41:11
Speaker 2: about how it's not changing anything for them just yet.
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Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys can hear me or
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Speaker 8: see me, or if this is even going to work.
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Speaker 11: I think they may have had a loophole.
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Speaker 1: They reckon they're going to get around at Denika.
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Speaker 2: Now you're give a digital native. Is it going to
41:32
Speaker 2: be easy to get around this?
41:33
Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 20: Look, I like TikTok every now and then, Chris, I'm
41:36
Speaker 20: not going to like. Look it is kids are smarter
41:38
Speaker 20: than what we give them credit for.
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Speaker 6: This is a thing.
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Speaker 20: And the issue with this legislation. There are a myriad
41:44
Speaker 20: of holes in this legislation, but one of the key
41:46
Speaker 20: problems is that now kids are going to be using
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Speaker 20: other social media platforms instead, aren't they? They know what
41:52
Speaker 20: else is available on the market, and now they're filming
41:55
Speaker 20: themselves dancing and singing along. I survived the social media band.
41:59
Speaker 20: It's just extraord But you know, Anthony Alberanez, he is
42:01
Speaker 20: seem pretty pleased with himself today. He is really putting
42:04
Speaker 20: himself on the back. He's got all the control in
42:06
Speaker 20: the world now, hasn't he?
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Speaker 2: Well, he thinks albout today he thinks he's saving the
42:11
Speaker 2: world with his climate change policies, and now he thinks
42:13
Speaker 2: he's saving the world with his social media ben And
42:16
Speaker 2: he's got a very low bar for success.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 7: Success is the fact that it's happening. Success is the
42:23
Speaker 7: fact that we're having this discussion, parents are talking to
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Speaker 7: their children around the breakfast table.
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Speaker 2: Does that wash with you justin just the fact that
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Speaker 2: talking about it that means he's been successful?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 19: No, I think again. I think we're a long way
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Speaker 19: off success on this one. But I actually here's right
42:43
Speaker 19: on this though. The fact that the discussion is being
42:45
Speaker 19: had by people, and I don't know if this is
42:49
Speaker 19: going to be the solution, but the fact that people
42:50
Speaker 19: are actually talking about it probably probably does help. Because
42:53
Speaker 19: it's not it hasn't been a great thing for teenagers.
42:56
Speaker 19: I think we can agree on that count.
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Speaker 2: But how about this through a radical thought justin about
43:00
Speaker 2: parents say to they're teenagers and they're fourteen or fifteen
43:03
Speaker 2: year olds, you cannot have a smartphone?
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 19: But I think look at yeah, I like that, but
43:11
Speaker 19: this kind of helps them out. Having some form of
43:14
Speaker 19: restriction on it for under sixteens is going to help
43:17
Speaker 19: them have that discussion. It stops them from being the
43:19
Speaker 19: bad guy. And maybe you've got kids. I've got kids.
43:22
Speaker 19: It's really hard to talk to them at that age.
43:24
Speaker 19: Do you need all the help in the world that
43:26
Speaker 19: you can get? I don't kind of success I would
43:29
Speaker 19: have had with my kids at that age.
43:30
Speaker 20: But the problem is, though, why can't we let parents
43:33
Speaker 20: be parents? You remember in Setate Estimates last week, Matt
43:36
Speaker 20: Canavan asked this exact question. He said, what happens if
43:39
Speaker 20: I use my account on YouTube, for example, show my
43:44
Speaker 20: kid something on YouTube, and the answer of Senate Estimates was, well,
43:48
Speaker 20: Google might look to ban or block your account. I mean,
43:52
Speaker 20: that's just taking it one step way too far. If
43:54
Speaker 20: a parent wants to show a child something on their account, god.
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Speaker 1: Forbid let them do it. Yeah, exactly. And look.
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Speaker 2: The other thing is parents, we've got to be careful
44:04
Speaker 2: about how much we use social media. I mean, they're
44:07
Speaker 2: only going to You've got to give them the lead,
44:10
Speaker 2: I suppose, but I think dumb farm, dumb phones and
44:13
Speaker 2: the Apple watches are great alternatives for parents to.
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Speaker 1: Be in contact with Chris and stuff. Yes, justin Christ.
44:21
Speaker 17: Now.
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Speaker 19: The other thing is that the Albanese government themselves. I
44:25
Speaker 19: mean I think the PM's got half a million followers,
44:28
Speaker 19: and the Education minister said the other day Jason Claire
44:32
Speaker 19: said that social media was a sess pit. Okay, well
44:34
Speaker 19: that's fine, but why doesn't the Albanzi government say, listen,
44:37
Speaker 19: we're canceling all our social media. Every cab the minister
44:40
Speaker 19: is going to drop their social media to show you
44:43
Speaker 19: that it can be that it's not there. I think
44:46
Speaker 19: something like that would have been good.
44:48
Speaker 20: Their TikTok means the job the ministers are doing right
44:51
Speaker 20: now to try and get followers.
44:52
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the dissy silly buddy top for social media stuff.
44:58
Speaker 2: And Paul Murray's been eaving. You're watching Paul Murray Live.
45:00
Speaker 2: He's bringing this stuff to light every night. It's just embarrassing.
45:04
Speaker 2: If they stop doing that, that might be a good start.
45:06
Speaker 2: Now let's get to Anika Wells and these expenses and Denika,
45:10
Speaker 2: I'm keen to get your thoughts on albow playing the
45:13
Speaker 2: gender card. Apparently this is all very tough for her
45:16
Speaker 2: because she's a woman.
45:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: Well, I was mortified by his comments this morning when
45:20
Speaker 20: he said she gave birth to twins. So what Australia
45:24
Speaker 20: has to excuse her because she's a mother? I mean,
45:26
Speaker 20: how many mothers are there out in the world. You know,
45:29
Speaker 20: this is really really extraordinary and it's because labor know
45:33
Speaker 20: that they can't escape this, Chris, They've.
45:35
Speaker 1: Got no excuses.
45:36
Speaker 20: I mean, how do you justify the ministers? The expenses
45:41
Speaker 20: have been extraordinary, But how can a minister in the
45:43
Speaker 20: middle of a cost of living crisis saying that she
45:46
Speaker 20: left a com car limousine outside for ten hours while
45:50
Speaker 20: she attended the NRL Grand Final and build taxpayers twelve
45:54
Speaker 20: hundred dollars. So you've got the treasurer scarring off at
45:57
Speaker 20: a press conference, you've got elbow now playing the gender card.
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Speaker 1: What's going to be next.
46:01
Speaker 20: It's because they've got nothing. They've got nothing. You cannot
46:04
Speaker 20: escape from this.
46:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of points worth following up there
46:08
Speaker 1: with you.
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Speaker 2: Justin One is I think with this gender card, it's
46:12
Speaker 2: embarrassing because we all know that they attacked they fairly
46:15
Speaker 2: attacked Susan Lee in the past and Bronwin Bishop in
46:18
Speaker 2: the past, and that wasn't because they were women. It
46:21
Speaker 2: was because of the way they'd used entitlements. And the
46:24
Speaker 2: other point too, is this leaving drivers sitting around for
46:27
Speaker 2: ten hours? What does that say about your just personal
46:30
Speaker 2: relationships with people?
46:31
Speaker 1: Why would you treat a driver that way?
46:33
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you tell the driver that you know, you
46:36
Speaker 2: disappear and do whatever you need to do. I'll give
46:38
Speaker 2: you a ring if I need you.
46:41
Speaker 19: No, no, look, it's ridiculous. And the worst thing about
46:44
Speaker 19: it is that it wasn't breaking the rules. This has
46:47
Speaker 19: been so many times by people. I think Pauline Antson
46:49
Speaker 19: even said it before, this isn't breaking the rules. Well,
46:52
Speaker 19: hang on, if you think that's the good news. Then
46:55
Speaker 19: you're wrong because this thing is a racket, and it
46:57
Speaker 19: has been a racket for a long time. This two
47:00
Speaker 19: a couple of weeks ago. You watch the opposition won't
47:03
Speaker 19: go in hard on this because they're just as guilty
47:06
Speaker 19: as the other side. So it's time that you know
47:09
Speaker 19: the Prime minister. I've seen a couple of interviews on
47:10
Speaker 19: the Prime Minister about this and he's been bloody appalling.
47:13
Speaker 19: He's shown absolutely no leadership on this at all. He's
47:17
Speaker 19: shown absolutely no connection with normal people of how much
47:21
Speaker 19: money is being spent. It's time and it would be
47:23
Speaker 19: great if there was one leader in our Parliament, either
47:27
Speaker 19: in the House or in the Senate, that could stand
47:28
Speaker 19: up and say, now, listen, we're going to change this
47:30
Speaker 19: and we're.
47:30
Speaker 1: Going to bring it more in line to what the.
47:33
Speaker 19: Community expectation would be. It's a racket, well racket.
47:37
Speaker 2: We haven't seen much from Susan Lee this week, and
47:39
Speaker 2: she should be out there on this. I've been trying
47:41
Speaker 2: to get her on this show or week won't front.
47:44
Speaker 1: I think she's worried that people will bring up her
47:46
Speaker 1: traveling titlement. You got to get out.
47:48
Speaker 2: And talk and I think a review of these rules
47:50
Speaker 2: offered a flyer in long business class. Just quickly before
47:54
Speaker 2: we go, I want to finish on a light and note,
47:56
Speaker 2: I've got these great pictures today of the Australia the
47:59
Speaker 2: English cricketers. Do you think they'd be doing an extra
48:02
Speaker 2: net session to sort of improve their skills so that
48:06
Speaker 2: they're we're all Onosa checking out and well apparently they
48:11
Speaker 2: weren't even game to get into any beach cricket unless
48:14
Speaker 2: they get bold over.
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Speaker 20: When I first saw these this vision, I thought, luckily
48:17
Speaker 20: Anaka Wells isn't the sport minister anymore. She probably would
48:20
Speaker 20: have flown herself up there just to watch them play
48:22
Speaker 20: cricket on the beach. I went, look they've given up,
48:24
Speaker 20: haven't they. There's they're swaning about. They're having the best
48:26
Speaker 20: time of their lives right now.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you.
48:28
Speaker 20: It's been a shocker for them, an absolute shocker.
48:31
Speaker 1: So look look, Noosa is heaven on a stick, but justin.
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Speaker 2: They should be down in the net nets and Adelaide
48:37
Speaker 2: gets some early practice in.
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Speaker 19: No listen, I maybe they're there to play the to
48:44
Speaker 19: Wanton B Grade because that's a team that they could
48:48
Speaker 19: probably live.
48:48
Speaker 1: Maybe good so why not? Why not? Sorry, Justin, right
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Speaker 1: out of time. Thanks for joining us. Anika and Justin.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get away now. I'll see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Credlin.