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The TikTok Ban Explained: What It Means for Users and Creators · The Infographics Show Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's get into it. This whole TikTok
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  Speaker 1: band thing. Yeah, it's everywhere you look these days, headlines,
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  Speaker 1: social media, you name. It kind of hard to keep
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  Speaker 1: up with, honestly, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of info out there, and not all
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  Speaker 2: of it's you know, super clear exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why we're doing this deep dive, trying to
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  Speaker 1: cut through the noise and figure out what's actually going on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you probably saw that the Supreme Court they're
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  Speaker 1: probably going to let this law stand, right, the one
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  Speaker 1: that could like force TikTok to sell out or even
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  Speaker 1: get banned here in the US. Yeah, but what does
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  Speaker 1: that actually mean for people who use the app?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the big question, isn't it. And it's
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  Speaker 2: where things get kind of tricky. See the law itself,
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  Speaker 2: it's not really about like stopping people from using TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: It's more about who's in control.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So not just about like you know, the dances
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  Speaker 1: and all the funny videos.
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  Speaker 2: Not directly. No, it all comes down to TikTok's parent company,
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  Speaker 2: Byte Dance, their Chinese owned and that's where the concerns
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  Speaker 2: are coming from.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha. So we're talking data, privacy, national security, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The worry is that the Chinese government could get
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  Speaker 2: their hands on data from American TikTok users.
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  Speaker 1: So how would this band even work? Like would the
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  Speaker 1: app just vanish from our phones one day?
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  Speaker 2: Poof Not quite that dramatic. The law would basically stop
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  Speaker 2: app stores and internet providers from you know, hosting TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: So no more downloads, no updates. So if you've already
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  Speaker 2: got it, you're good for now for now, Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: think about it, no updates. Eventually, that app's going to
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  Speaker 2: get pretty outdated, like trying to run software from ten
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  Speaker 2: years ago might still.
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  Speaker 1: Work, but oh yeah, i'll buggy and slow.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and a huge security.
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  Speaker 1: Risk makes sense. Okay, So timeline When is this supposed
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  Speaker 1: to happen?
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  Speaker 2: Deadline's January nineteenth, unless, of course, the Supreme Court steps in.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a little wiggle room in the law. A
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  Speaker 2: ninety days delay.
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  Speaker 1: Is possible a delay, so it might not be immediate, right.
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  Speaker 2: If TikTok can show they're serious about selling to a
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  Speaker 2: US company, they might get that extra time. But even
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  Speaker 2: then it's up to the new president to make the
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  Speaker 2: final call.
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  Speaker 1: So still a lot of unknowns. But let's say the
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  Speaker 1: band does happen. What happens to all those videos everyone's made,
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  Speaker 1: like years of content, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one, all those memories, all that
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  Speaker 2: creative work. Smart move to download anything you really want
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  Speaker 2: to keep just in case.
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  Speaker 1: Good point. We should probably get into how to do
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  Speaker 1: that later on, But first, let's imagine life after the ban.
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  Speaker 1: People can sell access the app, but what's it going
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  Speaker 1: to be like using it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as we said, no updates, so things are going
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  Speaker 2: to get outdated fast. Features might start working, security risks
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  Speaker 2: popping up left and right. And you know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of creators rely on TikTok's creator programs for income. Those
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  Speaker 2: could disappear too.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not just about missing out on new trends.
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  Speaker 1: It's people's livelihoods.
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  Speaker 2: On the line, absolutely, and that's a huge part of
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  Speaker 2: this whole debate, right, national security versus the real impact
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  Speaker 2: on people's lives and creativity.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot to unpack, for sure. It is really
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  Speaker 1: complicated situation. Yeah, before we move on, though, got to
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  Speaker 1: remind everyone, if you're liking this deep dive hit, that
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  Speaker 2: Now let's get practical. How do you actually save those
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  Speaker 2: tiktoks before it's too late? So? Uh, saving your tiktoks?
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about that. If you're on your computer,
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  Speaker 2: easyps write, click the video, download video done. On your phone,
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  Speaker 2: hit that share button save video. Simple.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. For individual videos, that works. Yeah, but what about
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  Speaker 1: like a whole bunch. Say you want to save all
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  Speaker 1: your liked videos?
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  Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, good point for that. You'll want to use
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  Speaker 2: a tool. There's this one mife of t t It's
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  Speaker 2: a browser extension. Let's you grab all your liked videos
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  Speaker 2: as MP four files.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's handy, okay. But even if we save everything,
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  Speaker 1: there's still that bigger question looming right what happens to
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  Speaker 1: all our data if TikTok gets banned?
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  Speaker 2: Million dollar question and unfortunately no clear answer right now.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't we see something similar with that TikTok ban in India?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, back in twenty twenty after the ban, there
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  Speaker 2: were investigations and it looked like data from Indian users
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  Speaker 2: ended up on servers in China. So yeah, not crazy
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  Speaker 2: to think it could happen here too.
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  Speaker 1: That's a little unsettling. Makes you wonder if deleting the
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  Speaker 1: app is even enough.
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  Speaker 2: It's a valid concern for sure, and that whole data
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  Speaker 2: security issue big reason why some people are pushing for
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  Speaker 2: the ban.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of which, let's talk about those arguments. Why are
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  Speaker 1: some lawmakers so set on banning TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the main worry is the Chinese government getting access
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  Speaker 2: to all that user data Byteedance TikTok's parent company. They
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  Speaker 2: have to follow Chinese law and that includes handing over
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  Speaker 2: data if the government asks.
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  Speaker 1: So then there's a whole what are they going to
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  Speaker 1: do with that data question? Right, Espionage, spreading misinformation, targeting people.
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  Speaker 2: The possibilities are exactly and even though TikTok says they
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  Speaker 2: don't share data with the Chinese government, well there have
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  Speaker 2: been reports of their own employees accessing US user data.
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  Speaker 2: Adds fuel to the fire, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So for the pro bam inside, it's all about national security.
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  Speaker 1: TikTok equals potential threat.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. In a nutshell. They say the risk is
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  Speaker 2: too big to ignore and point to other countries like
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  Speaker 2: India that already took the ban hammer to TikTok for
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  Speaker 2: similar reasons.
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  Speaker 1: But of course there's the other side of the coin.
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  Speaker 1: Strong arguments against the band too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. Critics say, hey, this is setting a dangerous
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  Speaker 2: precedent for censorship, restricting free speech. Where's the concrete evidence
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  Speaker 2: that TikTok's being used by the Chinese government for nefarious purposes.
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  Speaker 2: It's all speculation and fear mongering, they say.
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  Speaker 1: So, basically a free speech debate playing out online. Can
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  Speaker 1: you restrict access to a platform, even a foreign one,
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  Speaker 1: just because of what might happen?
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  Speaker 2: That's the crux of it. Critics also point to the
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  Speaker 2: economic impact TikTok's created, jobs, opportunities for creators. Banning it
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  Speaker 2: could hurt a lot of people, not to mention the
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  Speaker 2: economy as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got two sides, both with valid points, national
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  Speaker 1: security versus individual freedom.
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  Speaker 2: It's messy, yeah, no easy answers here. It's a real
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  Speaker 2: balancing act. And while all this legal stuff plays out,
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  Speaker 2: users are left wondering, Okay, if TikTok vanishes, what are
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  Speaker 2: the alternatives?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Is there even a good replacement out there?
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing, there's not really a perfect TikTok substitute.
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  Speaker 2: It's got its own vibe, its own way of doing
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  Speaker 2: things that other platforms haven't quite captured.
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  Speaker 1: There's some contenders though, right, trying to fill the gap a.
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  Speaker 2: Few Yeah, Instagram reels for example, they're gunning for that
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  Speaker 2: top spot in short form video.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've added a bunch of TikTok like features, duets,
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  Speaker 1: trending sounds, all that, right, And.
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  Speaker 2: YouTube shorts is in the game too, leveraging YouTube's massive
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  Speaker 2: audience and all those creators they already have.
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  Speaker 1: But are these TikTok killers or just trying to ride
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  Speaker 1: the wave?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows. Time will tell if any of them can
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  Speaker 2: really grab that TikTok magic pull in those users. Then
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  Speaker 2: there's Lemonade, the supposed next big thing.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a snag with Lemonade, isn't there? Isn't It
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  Speaker 1: also owned by Byteedance.
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  Speaker 2: Bingo, So if TikTok gets the boot, Lemonade's probably right
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  Speaker 2: behind it.
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  Speaker 1: That's rough for people hoping to jump ship. The future
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  Speaker 1: of short form videos looking kind of shaky.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely a wild ride watching all this unfold. The
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  Speaker 2: whole TikTok saga has really thrown a spotlight on data privacy,
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  Speaker 2: hasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's making us think about the realities of this
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  Speaker 1: global internet. We're all part of national security bumping up
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  Speaker 1: against free speech and open access. It's tricky. Before we
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  Speaker 1: a ton. Okay, So let's shift gears a bit, Let's
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  Speaker 1: doom out and think about a bigger picture. What does
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  Speaker 1: all this mean for the future of social media. So
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  Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time on this TikTok ban
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  Speaker 1: all the different angles, but it feels like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is bigger than just one app.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely. I think it's really kind of exposed
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  Speaker 3: this this tension we have, right, how do you regulate
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  Speaker 3: social media in a world where everything's connected, information's flying
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  Speaker 3: around constantly.
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  Speaker 1: Big questions right, data, privacy, national security, free speech, all colliding.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just theoretical anywhere. This is real life
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  Speaker 1: playing out on these platforms that, let's face it, have
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  Speaker 1: a huge influence on us.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And it's not just governments trying to figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: You've got these giant tech companies, You've got creators, everyday users,
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  Speaker 2: everyone trying to find their place in this whole like
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  Speaker 2: digital ecosystem that's constantly changing, kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Like watching a high stakes game isn't it. Every move
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  Speaker 1: could completely change the game. Yea, And the stakes are high.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. At the end of the day, it comes down
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  Speaker 2: to who controls information right and the power that comes
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  Speaker 2: with that control. As technology keeps, you know, pushing forward,
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  Speaker 2: these questions are only going to get more complicated, more important.
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  Speaker 1: So what's next, Crystal Ball is a little foggy on
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  Speaker 1: that one, but one thing's for sure. This whole debate
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  Speaker 1: about how to regulate social media, it's not going away.
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  Speaker 1: And as users, you know, we've got to stay in form,
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  Speaker 1: stay engaged.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely can't just sit back and let things happen. We've
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  Speaker 2: got to understand what's at stake and make our voices heard.
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  Speaker 2: The Internet's future is being shaped right now, and we're
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  Speaker 2: all part of that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Our choy, this matter, the platforms
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  Speaker 1: we use, the content we create, It all adds up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all influencing the digital world, whether we realize
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  Speaker 2: it or not.
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  Speaker 1: True, And as we kind of stumble through all this
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  Speaker 1: new territory, I think it's important to remember there's no
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  Speaker 1: magic bullet, there's no one solution that's going to fix everything.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to take a lot of careful thought finding
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  Speaker 1: that balance between security and individual rights.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 1: Well, We've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive,
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  Speaker 1: the TikTok ban, all the legal stuff, the bigger implications
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  Speaker 1: for social media and really the Internet as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: Hope you learned a few things, maybe spark some thoughts
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  Speaker 1: of your own.
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  Speaker 1: And remember this isn't the end of the conversation. Keep exploring,
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  Speaker 1: keep asking those tough questions, keep engaging, the future of
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  Speaker 1: the digital world is being written right now, and we're
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  Speaker 1: all part of the story. Thanks for joining us on
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  Speaker 1: this deep dive.