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Best Of 2024 Full Interview: Jerrod Carmichael Clarifies 'Slave-Play' Joke, Tyler The Creator Relationship, Dave Chappelle + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ, en Vy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the God.
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  Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
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  Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, indeed we have Jirraw called Michael.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be doing your voice in the showers more than
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  Speaker 1: everybody is DJ, like thinks about you and naked. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's lean into all the gay set. Like
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  Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm naked, I think about DJA. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: happy to see you, Happy to see you, bro.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm always happy when people come right after donkey
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  Speaker 3: of today.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, let me tell you something. I was
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  Speaker 1: responding to you, like Monique. I was at my house
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  Speaker 1: just pacing around. Just be like Leonard what your mother
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  Speaker 1: said about giving me? No, let's talk about that. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I want to make clear
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  Speaker 1: about that. But let's start up. For people that don't know.
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  Speaker 1: This is only to people will see the ship. It'll
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  Speaker 1: be the video right up next to me in the
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  Speaker 1: first coat with the ear rings and here today whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So how you doing first? We'll get to that lady. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you got some ship to settle first. Okay, So Charlamagne
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  Speaker 1: gave you donkey to day, gave me, gave me donkey. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into it. Okay. So first of all,
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  Speaker 1: because the thing I want to clear up and is
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  Speaker 1: very very important. If people got a short attention span,
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure that they hear this part
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  Speaker 1: first because you report it on you You played a
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  Speaker 1: clip of my stand up, but it started at the
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  Speaker 1: punchline and it like completely erased the setup of it.
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  Speaker 1: And I really don't like that. It made it seem
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  Speaker 1: like I was talking like I'm into some type of
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  Speaker 1: race sexual slavery role play with my boyfriend, which is untrue.
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  Speaker 1: It's so false. And I expect that type of thing
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  Speaker 1: from TMZ because they have no humanity. They don't care
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  Speaker 1: about the people that get hurt when they report these
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  Speaker 1: sort of things. But your friend, so I really didn't
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  Speaker 1: like that, Like, like I know, you repeated it and
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  Speaker 1: the Neil interview, I didn't like that that that was
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  Speaker 1: very very unfair. It was a joke. But yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I need you to watch the show and anybody who
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  Speaker 1: watches the show, it's not what I said. It's so false,
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  Speaker 1: it's so untrue, and I don't like that because it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: well we'll get into that later. It has nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with my boyfriend. It has nothing like the sex
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  Speaker 1: that we have. It has nothing to do with sex.
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  Speaker 1: It's something like people have been reporting on and I
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  Speaker 1: really really don't like it. It's about my boyfriend reading
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  Speaker 1: so much he makes me feel insecure about my level
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  Speaker 1: of reading. And look, I get it. It like it's
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  Speaker 1: something that people have been running with because one because
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  Speaker 1: I have a white boyfriend, so like people like try
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  Speaker 1: and create some type of crazy story out of that, like,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a small group of people really like I
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  Speaker 1: read all the tweets and it's like some gay black
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  Speaker 1: men and some klu Klux clan members who don't like
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  Speaker 1: that I have a white boyfriend. They agree on that,
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  Speaker 1: so congratulations, like the Klan and doctor Lumara and you know,
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  Speaker 1: some people find some common ground on that. But he's
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  Speaker 1: a human being. He deserves respect. I deserve respect. I
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  Speaker 1: don't appreciate things being misreported or like said about them
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  Speaker 1: in that way. It's completely false, So I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear. That's that's not
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  Speaker 1: something I know. You were just reading the news but like,
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  Speaker 1: you're a friend, and I want you to like actually
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  Speaker 1: have nuance with these stories, like, look, I'm a human
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  Speaker 1: being and like people are, people can get hurt. They're
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  Speaker 1: actually real lives at stake with the things that you say,
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  Speaker 1: and look, come after me, that's fine, but don't come
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  Speaker 1: after like my my boyfriend. Well, I'm saying when that's
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  Speaker 1: in the headline and that's reported like and then misreported
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  Speaker 1: like oh he's into race slave play with his white boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that headline because it's false. It's not
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  Speaker 1: true at all. Now on to Dave Chappelle. No, I
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  Speaker 1: stay to the joke, though in context, the joke still
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  Speaker 1: not a good joke. That's on you comedy for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I got.
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  Speaker 3: I got because you're still saying you're a slave, you slave.
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  Speaker 1: Math is teaching you know, Listen, I'm talking about my
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  Speaker 1: own personal insecurity. I'm an educated person. I'm usually the
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  Speaker 1: smartest person in the room. He reads so much it
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  Speaker 1: makes me feel like, oh do I even know how
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  Speaker 1: to read? That joke works if I had a black boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: my boyfriend were black. That joke actually works better if
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  Speaker 1: I and you the slave and the white person is
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  Speaker 1: the slavey.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, if you and you're from North Carolina, where you
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  Speaker 3: know the first anti literacy laws were created in northern
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  Speaker 3: stock Caroline. You are sure, sure, but that's not my
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  Speaker 3: role as a comedian that started getting into like like
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  Speaker 3: literacy laws and stuff like that. You've completely lost that
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  Speaker 3: I evoked provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes. Some people
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  Speaker 3: are very sensitive to that. That's your right. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have to laugh at that. You could like hear the
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  Speaker 3: word slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine, But
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  Speaker 3: don't misconstrue what I said and don't like make it
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  Speaker 3: into something that is not, because that's where I start
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  Speaker 3: to get offended.
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  Speaker 1: That the statement like you said it like multiple times
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  Speaker 1: on the show, like, oh, he's into slave role play
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  Speaker 1: with his white boyfriend. That's untrue. I said it like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've said it, Charlemagne. That is not the joke.
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  Speaker 1: The joke's about me reading the jokes about my insecurity,
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  Speaker 1: about like not being as well read when I be
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  Speaker 1: in bed next to him and he's when I'm in
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  Speaker 1: bed next to him and he's like on his third
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  Speaker 1: novel of the month, I'll be watching breakfast club interviews
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like, oh, I should read more. That's
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  Speaker 1: what the joke is. The joke it has nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with sex, has nothing to do with the type
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  Speaker 1: of sex that we have. And that's just absolutely false,
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  Speaker 1: but still not a good joke. When hey, listen, that's
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  Speaker 1: on you. It's on you. You do stand up and
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  Speaker 1: you figure it out for me, the crowds laugh whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this about if the crowd is majority white,
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  Speaker 1: are they laughing with you? Are at you? You know?
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm actually I'm actually shocked. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: pretty decent amount of black people coming out to SEV
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate y'all for coming out. I want y'all
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  Speaker 1: to keep coming out too. I like I like the
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  Speaker 1: seeing it really, especially black women are like in the crowd.
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  Speaker 1: They've been like talking to me. They seem invested in
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  Speaker 1: my life, and it makes me feel really really special.
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  Speaker 1: So I really like that and I appreciate that. Now
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  Speaker 1: I want to move on to the Dave Chappelle portion
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  Speaker 1: of it, because I've heard you comment on that too.
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  Speaker 1: I deeply regret ever saying anything about Dave Chappelle to
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  Speaker 1: the press. I want to say that I'm sorry for that.
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  Speaker 1: Because one, I'm a huge Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle fan.
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  Speaker 1: I love Dave like, I think he's brilliant. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's a bright light in a dying industry. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's more important now than ever before, because like comedians
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  Speaker 1: are now just posting clips that I'm doing crowd work
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  Speaker 1: online and calling it art and it's not art. Dave
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  Speaker 1: Chappelle is an artist. He's one of the few artists
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  Speaker 1: that we have, and I care deeply about the work
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  Speaker 1: that he makes. With that said, the criticism that I
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  Speaker 1: had had nothing to do with the morality of the joke,
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  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the ethics of the joke.
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  Speaker 1: That something that has also been misreported. The criticism I
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  Speaker 1: had was that of a fan, someone who respects him
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  Speaker 1: so much that I want him to focus his genius
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  Speaker 1: on a wide range of topics. I think that like
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  Speaker 1: it started, but it started being really really focused on
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  Speaker 1: one thing. Well, I'll say this. Look that's like I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that about the slave yoll. I'll say I'll say this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also a big fan of jay Z. If jay
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  Speaker 1: Z made three albums about trans people, I'd be like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: With Jay, But Jaz made three albums, more than three
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  Speaker 3: albums about selling drugs. You don't, you're just donna put
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  Speaker 3: him in that. Uh, you don't pigeonhole.
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  Speaker 1: On the debt, No they jay Z. I mean listen,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to get into a jay Z argument.
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  Speaker 1: Jay Z was very personal, very emotional. He always evolved.
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  Speaker 1: Four four four was incredible because it showed growth and
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  Speaker 1: evolution and something you've never seen before and rap. And
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: that's a thing with comedy too. Comedy doesn't grow, Comedy
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  Speaker 1: doesn't evolve. It's it's kind of stunted like rap, and
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  Speaker 1: like we just started getting like real braggadocious, like antagonistic
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  Speaker 1: with the crowd, and it can evolve, like and we
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  Speaker 1: need smart people like Dave, like Chris Rock, like myself
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  Speaker 1: to actually evolve the art form because it is dying.
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  Speaker 1: It's so so important for people to go up and
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  Speaker 1: do deep personal stories or have a deep perspective about
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  Speaker 1: things going on in the world because it's not happening
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  Speaker 1: when you see it online. Yeah, I know, Well, listen,
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  Speaker 1: all I'm saying is and because I've talked about Dave
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  Speaker 1: a lot, I don't want to talk about Dave anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly. I called him an eagle man. I'm an
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  Speaker 1: ego maniac. I'm here to talk about me. I have
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  Speaker 1: a show that I want to talk about about. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know you know what. And I'll tell you honestly,
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  Speaker 1: from now on, any thoughts I have for Dave will
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  Speaker 1: be directed in a phone call to Dave. I'll never
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  Speaker 1: do it again. I'll never I do apologize for that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm man enough to say that I that is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't need it. I don't want the attention.
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  Speaker 1: It's going on way too long, don't want it at all.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to talk about me.
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  Speaker 3: Did it change after you got I guess taken out
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  Speaker 3: of context after the slave yo?
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  Speaker 1: Because it never changed hours. No, it never changed. It
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  Speaker 1: had like it had nothing to do with that. Like
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  Speaker 1: I I think that again with the press, the same thing, TMZ.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because that's the thing that happens, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I get asked about Dave or Cosby or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's almost like the press and like you know,
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  Speaker 1: they want to perpetuate it. Beat well, it's just like hey,
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  Speaker 1: like what's going on with you and this other black
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  Speaker 1: man like John Laney, don't get asked about Jerry Seinfeldt
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  Speaker 1: the way I get asked about other black comedians, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's just like I don't like that either. These are
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  Speaker 1: like there are few artists in this art form. There
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  Speaker 1: are so few artists people actually doing art, people that
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  Speaker 1: not doing podcasts, not doing like crowd work videos online,
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  Speaker 1: people that are actually doing the art. He's one of
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  Speaker 1: the few. I have a deep respect for him. And
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  Speaker 1: that's that's all I'll say. And let's hope TMZ reports
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  Speaker 1: everything I just said, because like I'm saying, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: apologize to myself for making like making this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: get out of proportion, like I should have never said anything. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I really want to talk about me. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: here for, to talk about myself. Scheanaman.
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  Speaker 2: He said he was upset because he considered you guys
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  Speaker 2: friends and that you went off the rail without having
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  Speaker 2: a conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Did you watch the show? Did you? I texted you
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  Speaker 1: last night? Did watch it? You've been watching it? Did
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  Speaker 1: you watch the next episode? No? I watched the first four,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: the first three. You're gonna love the next episode.
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  Speaker 2: So respond to what he said, because you know he
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  Speaker 2: considered you guys, friends, and I want you to apologizing, but
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  Speaker 2: if you feel away, I think that Charlamagne should apologize
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  Speaker 2: him as well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I want to apologize, don't you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking my person.
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  Speaker 3: Would you want me to give you one of these
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  Speaker 3: half assed bullshit industry, But I don't feel like.
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  Speaker 1: I need to apologize. I think I made myself clear
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  Speaker 1: I have I have no need for an apology if
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: it and I'm like, you know what, that was wrong?
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  Speaker 1: But in the moment, well, I'll wait for that when
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: I'm in the shower thinking about d J, and I
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  Speaker 1: know that's right. Anyway, I want you to I want
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  Speaker 1: you to watch this next episode because this next week
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna road trip with my dad to devilin South Carolina,
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: where he's from. That's when your Monk's corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah the track Yeah No. The episode is really
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: good because I have a conversation with him and I
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: say things that I was afraid to say, and this
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: is the reality show. Yeah, but just shooting at everybody
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  Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted to be said in the comment
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  Speaker 1: section that I came with love. I came with candles
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: and flowers and love. That's right, just come on, like
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  Speaker 1: just I need you.
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  Speaker 3: I do have one more question about that, though, I like,
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  Speaker 3: do you think a comedian should ever call another comedian
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  Speaker 3: offensive or implied in another comedian is being offensive because
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: you could easily offend.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say comedians can do whatever they want. I don't
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: want to be a comedian who speaks about other comedians.
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  Speaker 1: I make art that I like, I make things that
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  Speaker 1: I want the world to see. I focus all my
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: energy and attention on myself and my art and my work,
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: and that's what I want to be known for. And
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm not on Twitter talking about other comedians.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: I'm knowing podcasts like I mean, you know me, I
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: don't talk about anything but myself like that. That's why
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: I'm upset that the whole thing got blown out of
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  Speaker 1: proportion because I don't talk about anything other than myself.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so focused on my own work. I think it's important.
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  Speaker 1: I think people should see it, and that's why I'm here. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you also talk about black women being super supportive
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  Speaker 2: when you first came out, but also being mad at
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  Speaker 2: you at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh because I got a white boyfriend. Yeah, you know,
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: it's it's funny. They met my boyfriend. They love him
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  Speaker 1: like my boyfriend. My boyfriend is Actually he's so real.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: That's part of the reason, like that any lie about
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: him makes me upset because he's so he's so real.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: My homegirl ivery loves Mike. Mike doesn't engage in small talk.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that I actually am trying to learn because,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: like I can my next book, why small talk sucks. Hey,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: there we go. You got to meet my boyfriend. Like,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: he doesn't do it at all. If you talk to
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: him about the weather, he'll just be quiet. And I'm
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: trying to learn that, Like I'd be out in the
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: world just lying to people just like, oh, no, good shirt,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: just like I have a lot of good shirt conversations.
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  Speaker 1: It's all it's all for. I got to stop doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
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  Speaker 2: How does he feel cause you talk about your life
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: with the reality show, How does you feel when you
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: talk about your sexcapage or even your conversation with Tyler
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  Speaker 2: to creator?
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  Speaker 1: How does it make him feel? Funny? Do you have
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: conversation before? Yeah, he knows all of it. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's funny because our relationship began. I started shooting the
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  Speaker 1: reality show and then our relationship began. So he like
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: he came in at a time when I'm dealing with
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of things, and the show is just about me,
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: like me trying to explore all these deep things about
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: myself and being in therapy, trying to work through problems,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: like trying to trying to like I'm exposing it's the
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: most vulnerable show of all time, Like you've never seen
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: a show more vulnerable than this?
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  Speaker 4: Did he make you more comfortable with that?
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  Speaker 1: He makes me more uncomfortable in life. But I think
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I'm a better person because of my boyfriend. I feel
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  Speaker 1: so much calmer now. Like I'm a person that had
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety, and you could see it even
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: in the first episode. You could see like it's me
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  Speaker 1: trying to get all my anxiety out. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: why the audience feels that way. They feel a little awkward,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: because that's that's how I felt. I think it transmutes
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  Speaker 1: into the art form. I was somebody that was just
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  Speaker 1: like constantly scared, constantly nervous, afraid of how I would
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: be perceived, afraid of like you know, like coming in
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  Speaker 1: masculine environments as a gay man, like just terrified all
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  Speaker 1: the time, afraid of the kind of sex I was having.
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  Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about that because people have
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: been talking about like I put like a foot in
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  Speaker 1: my mouth in the in the first episode. People call people,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: yeah you know, and I want to I also want
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: to set the record straight. He was Guatemalan. People say
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  Speaker 1: it's white toes he was Guatemalan. Maybe that doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: to some people, but it's like I told to I've
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  Speaker 1: had some black feet in my mouth too. I I
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: was afraid of the type of sex I was having.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was dirty and so wrong, and like
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  Speaker 1: I used to get like HIV tests once a week
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  Speaker 1: because I thought I was like I was having like
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  Speaker 1: dirty forbidden like god forbidden sex, and I was like
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  Speaker 1: I viewed myself negatively the gay man that normal. No, No,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: that that level of shame. I'm talking about getting the
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: HIV test and yeah, but yeast and I'll say this,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: but that's that's also the you know, actually an actual fact,
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  Speaker 1: more straight people get HIV now than gay men, like
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: because straight people don't check on themselves as much as
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: gay men sexual health because you have to be and
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: like like you know that that's the thing that was
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: actually psychological. That was me thinking that God was punishing
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: me because something I was doing was so wrong and
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: that is a horrible thing to live with. And people gay, straight, whatever,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: have a lot of sexual shame. They're afraid of things.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: So I was doing things like on camera to liberate myself,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: like it was important for me to like eradicate that shame,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Like I put a foot, I put a foot in
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: my mouth for y'all.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: A lot of people don't think you're really gay, though,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: and they think that you just put the foot in
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: your mouth to kind of prove that you're getting They
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: were like, if he was really gay?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: You the stuff they dig on camp, right, I mean,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: you know, only fans coming soon. I guess you know.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of silly things. There are people who
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: get their news from Twitter. They're crazy. What did you
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: meet your boyfriend from? What did you mean? How did
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you We met through a mutual friend. We met years
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: ago in l A and then and we started dating.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Uh uh, it's been a year and a half now.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: It wasn't scene when you were I'm sorry the thing
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: with Tyler? Yeah, yeah, just how you doing, I'm good?
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: How you been I'm good. I love Hey. Can I
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: say I'm so proud of you? And I don't mean
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: that in the condescending way, because people sometimes use pride
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: like like I'm proud of you, like I'm above you.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. I love you very very much.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: You don't try to just armor. She's I'm not just
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: can you can you tell come to see me and listen?
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Showed up, showed up by wiz camera in the green room,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: like years and years ago when I first started doing comedy.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: London, when London kicked him out because she didn't know
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: who he was. I didn't know who he was. He was.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: He was just like okay, I'll leave him.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Like no, wait, this is com She was like, oh yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: no no. And I've been a fan of yours, like
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: for for a very long time. We worked on time
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I gave just TV. I saw I saw that she
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: was a star, like you know, like, look at me
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: trying to take credit for help. You was the one
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: who got her own row what you're talking about. I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: saw my sister's Instagram. It was like she's a star.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: She's incredible, She's a star. I was like like her,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: like I was I was. I was in Dana Walden
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: office and Fox like demanding, demanding they put you on
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the air because you and rightfully so like I don't
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: need it. Yeah, yeah, listen, give her all credit to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: whatever you know. I'm like little Richard, I get overlook
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: for all types of ship anyway. No, You're incredible and
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I'm really really happy for you.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I love you. I'm told us.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I was like, we need to get him up here
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: so we can talk about it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to come to the New space and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: come when you were here. Yes, yes, so I.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Wanted to ask you about you and Tyler because y'all
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: are actually really friends. Yeah right, Yeah, was that like
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: for fun or did you really really have romantic feelings
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: for Tyler?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I was in turmoil over that for
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: a year, and that's a hard thing to deal with.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Of course. Is like I've seen people online talk about
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: as awkward as cringe. Yeah. Yeah, having feelings for your
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: best friend is very awkward, very very cringe. I'm thankful
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that he did it because I've never seen a conversation
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: like that played out on television or in any space,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was really really important. I've never like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I've never seen like a black man expressed feelings for
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: another black man like that ever before. And I'm trying
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to make art that I wish i'd seen as a kid.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to make things and put things out there
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that I needed, and so it was really important. I
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: thought it was a really important conversation. I'm so thankful
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: to Tyler for doing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: It because his hurt stupid bitch, like he laughed about it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Did that really hurt your feelings or it's just like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: oh because.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I getting caught a stupid bitch. Stupid bitch, I.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Know, but I called my that's gonna to be a
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: bit all the time. So it was just like, okay, cool,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: but it really did hurt. Did you see what he said?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I was watching it. I stayed up late for
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: that too. I made a sandwich. I was up at
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: three in the morning. Liken't feel about it. You're staying
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: up late to watch Tyler. I was on FaceTime of him.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. No, it's like like, you know, he's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: emotionally evolved. I'm the one that's trying to catch up.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Is your boy get jealous at all? Yeah? There's jealousy
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: for sure, jealousy. I'm jealous of him. You go to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the gym, like you be getting hit on the stuff.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, yeah, there's a lot of jealousy. I'm
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: learning to deal with that, like I'm trying to How
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: does he deal with it? I mean, that's a question
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: for him. I think, Yeah, we talk about it. That's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the thing public. Yeah, yeah, I'm public, but but that's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: something that we talk about that and that's kind of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the point of the show. Like all these things, these
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: feelings that you don't talk about, things that you could
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: just harbor, you could go to sleep at night, never say, like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: we talk about these things. It's so important. What do
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you think about talent performance? I know just asked you
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that Tyler is an aesthetic genius sonically. He has chords
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that I mean, I think that's part of the reason
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: we became friends, because there's a certain sound that I
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: think we both relate to. He's he's great, He's one
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: of them. He said, you're trying to I bet y'all
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: saw my best friend try to fuck me on camera.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. That was funny. No, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: love the performance. The performance itself was great, like and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a distraction from his work.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It's great. I'm thankful that he had the conversation. And
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I think he's one of the few like him Beyonce,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like one of a few live performers that deserve all
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the praise that they get. He's so incredible. What's your
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: relationship now, y'all? Cool? After the conversations, I mean he's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: making jokes about it. We cool, Yeah, I mean we
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: moved on, like I have. You know, I've definitely moved on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It was a very, very tough moment in my life,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and I have nothing but gratitude for him for doing
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that on camera as wild right, But it was hard
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: off camera. That was a difficult thing to deal with.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Off camera. It was a whole year friend, Yeah, yeah,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I was. I was on music Soul Child have crazy
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: mode for man, why not reach out to him during
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that year? He called me a stupid bitch, Charlayne, did
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you watch the show? Thank you?
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: But if that's your friend, somebody you love and careful,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: what I was thinking of, like, well, why would he
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: let a whole year go by?
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Why would either wanted him let a whole year? Well?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It's very So that's the thing. It's very easy for
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: things to like just fall back into the elephant in
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the room, like, Okay, we're not going to talk about it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: We just go to breakfast. Like I have that same
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: relationship with my parents where it's like, oh, there are
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: things that we don't really want to talk about, so
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: we don't and we engage in small talk. We talk
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: about everything else, and and and that's what the show was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: The show was an excuse to have a difficult conversation
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that I'd otherwise be afraid to have.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: How is when you were sitting there eating it with Tyler? Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: it felt like and I know in TV time, I
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: don't know how long it was, but it felt like
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: there was just a long moment where y'all said nothing
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: farts says I'll call you next week. How long was
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: that whole scene? I mean it was longer. It was
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: longer than what you saw.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: There was no conversation. Yeah, I mean that's how real
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: life plays out sometimes, you know. And and I like
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the show because the show lives in silences, It lives
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in like moments like there's a credit Elvis Mitchell that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: like called me and it was like, I really loved
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the silence of the show. I really loved that it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: kind of lives and there are these moments where the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: show takes its time. I was asking about your family.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: You know, how was it with your family seeing everything
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: up close and personal, because at one time you said
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it was difficult when you first came out to talk
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to your family.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: In the m B. I'm having sex dreams about you
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and you didn't tell I'm junking. I want to make
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you uncomfortable. It's supert your family, but now it's I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: don't care. He first me all day. I know you're
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: super you're super straight, like you got the chain all like.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It's just like anybody that's a little okay. I didn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: mean to start. I didn't mean I'm joking. I didn't
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: want to like anyway, whoa, that's not true.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Never y'all got me like Cameron now, like, yeah, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was asking, so, how is that your family seeing everything?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: My dad's super nervous, uh his episode, his episodes coming
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: up this week, you know, like he'd be calling me,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like pretending he's just checking on me, you know, but
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he really wants to know about it. It's a wild thing.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Like just imagine me. And from where I'm from, you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: your son's on HBO every week dealing with personal family things.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That's insane. That's insane. So I respect my family for
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: dealing with these things on camera. They know that that's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: my way. And and uh, yeah, he's a little nervous.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: My mom is an evangelist, so she feels as long
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: as she gets the word of God out there, like
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: she's all good, She's all good. Yeah. Yeah. My mom
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is one of the few people in the world who
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: is exactly who she says she is, and that's caused
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: some tension in our life. But I also totally respect her.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: How did your mom?
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: How do you think black women in general will feel
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: about you referring to your mother as a bitch?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's been the family been, the family been having.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: They got a group chat without me. You should talking
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: about that. You know, it's funny that I actually didn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: consider that like when I said it, And maybe that's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: me being inconsiderate, and maybe there is some like latent
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: hurt that is coming out when I when I say that,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I actually wasn't saying I love my mother. I have
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a deep respect from my mother. And I only said it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I say it kind of casually, kind of gay, like
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: just on stage, Mom, I say it just nonchalantly. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: just I call people bitches and niggas all the time. Like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you know, listen, you can call your dad a niggas.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You can't even call you that a bit with your mom.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: But they're gonna get mad at Tyler for a year
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: because he said.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't it was the dismissal of the emotion. Yeah, no,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't just that it was that that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: was all he said. But no, with my mom, now
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that's something that we talked about. I would rather focus
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: on the emotion behind it. It's like it's easy to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: get hung up on it. Actually get really really angry
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: at my family when they start talking about, like, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: my dad called He's like, I don't like that you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: call your mom a bitch. I'm like, that's the worst
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: thing we've done to my mother. Like I think I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: think as a family, we've done worse, you know. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and I think that it's easy sometimes that surface level
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: conversation is all people have access to. Is the thing
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that people want to talk about because it's easy, but
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: just don't say that word. It's like, Hey, what's behind
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that word? Why do you think I'm saying it? Do
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you see the hurt in my eyes? Do you hear
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it in my voice? Like I'm hurt And I'm revealing
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a lot in this show, and the family can't talk
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: about that sometimes, so they just focus on the very
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: easy thing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: So more so, why did you call her a bitch? Well?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Why am I hurt? Yeah, what's the cause of the hurt? Like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like I feel rejected by my creator. That's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a difficult thing to live with. Like, you know, I'm
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not the only person who's living with like some issues
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: with their parents, with their mom or just you don't
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: see eye to eye and it makes you feel bad
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: about yourself. That's how I feel. And that's a really
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: really hard thing to live with. And I'm trying to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: make art and trying to make sense of all of it,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: but it's really tough.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: What would you say to people who would say your
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: mom is homophobic? But when I look at it, I say, no,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: she's very religious, so I think she's looking at it
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: through the religious religion.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I think that I think at some
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: point you have to think about how you got to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the place that you are. I had a really good
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: conversation with my mom about even her finding religion and
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: needing religion, about the hurt, the disappointment in her life
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: from her dad and from other people in her life
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that led her to needing God as much as she
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: does and depending on God as much she does. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we were having a really really good conversation that my
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: dad woke up and interrupted. It was yeah, yeah, but
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to explore your life. You got
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to explore the reasons why, because you can hurt people,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: like I know, like people call it faith whatever, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: they are human beings and like your opinion, my mother's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: opinion to be madters so much. Absolutely.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I also wondered when you was It was a scene
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: where you was. It looked like you was literally sitting
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: in the closet I'm not trying to be funny, probably,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and you were saying how you felt spiritually unclean. Yeah,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you said you felt like a black buck and a cup.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I wondered what your mother thought about that, especially the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: spiritually unclean part.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my mom said she said a funny
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: thing because she saw the hookups and like, how much
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I talk about sex in the show. She was like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the one thing she did say about the show, she
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was like, I just want you to note that your
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: body is a temple. You know. I got mad. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: got offended by that because I was like, I see
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the grosses of you buy you be eating beanie whenies,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you know, whenies are little little hot dogs, little hot
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: dogs cut up in parking beans. I was like, you
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: invite beating whenies into your temple, you know, times my temple. Actually, no, no,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: there's actually feel that's actually that's maybe I'm from the South.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That's like but but but but my mom. Yeah, yeah, man,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: we only have time. That's like a whole special work.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So I guess my thing, though, is why I keep
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: living like that? If you feel like you said, you
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: feel like a black white book in a cook strong Well,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of the show is me trying to figure out,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: like working through those things, like working through the shame
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that I have, working through a lot of the problems
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that that I have in my life. Yeah, it's it's
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a feeling. I expressed my feelings and I'm expressing them
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on camera for the world to dissect, for you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: people to kind of THERAPIESE. But I it was a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: feeling I was having in that moment, and I was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: conflicted about it. Isn't that a racial component?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: If you're saying you feel like a black buck and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: there's a part of you to ask to be like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: why do I keep hooking up with all these white men?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? But I mean that I've been reading a lot,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and so that was just like, Yeah, there's all types
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of components. There's a sex addiction component to it, just
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: like why why do I need sex to heal? Why
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do I turn to that to feel better about myself?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of it's unhealthy, Like I definitely exhibit
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of unhealthy behavior in the show.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: But I think it also.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: He's not the only one who's feeling that way obviously,
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: So you're saying, like people therapized. I mean, people can
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: like get some type of therapy from your show because
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: you're not the only.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Person that has these conflicted feelings.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I have friends who have talked to me about the
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: same thing that you're that you you know that you're
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: putting out there on the show, that you're actually going
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: through this and on the camera, on camera, and you
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: know it actually it rings, I don't know, like some
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: type of awareness to you.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Oh damn no, I'm not the only person feeling like this.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And you're a good friend because I hope that they
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: bring it to you because they know that you're a
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: safe place and that you won't make them feel shame
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: for anything that they're feeling. That's the difficult thing. It's hard.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm out here, I'll get crucified every week.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But it's hard to reveal things about yourself because you're afraid.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: You're afraid people are gonna throw stones. I've definitely been afraid.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like a turtle dout a shell.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's good because you're opening yourself
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: up to people that might be going through the same
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: problems that you're going through, too scared to share or
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: too scared.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I was too scared. I lived most of my life terrified,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: terrified to reveal anything about myself, like just trying to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: just living behind a mask. It's so unhealthy and I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was really hurting myself. And I'm putting myself out there
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: so that people can feel and see that it's okay.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And that's why I was so shocked. I was like, wow,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: he I feel like I'm watching something that I'm not
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: supposed to know about him. I'm feeling you know what
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I mean. Like, so just to be that vulnerable on
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: a show, what made you want to do it? Now?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Like? Well, because after I came out, I realized that
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: there are other things I needed to come out about.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's in a closet about something, and I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was in a closet. It was more than just being gay.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It was about of the feelings that I have. I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was in a closet about you know, sex, addiction, or
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: how I am as a friend or all these things.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Like just like I was a closeted person. I was
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: holding everything inside and the show was an outlet for me.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I'm an artist, and I use art as a means
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of expression and as a means to heal, and so
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the show just felt like a natural. I was doing
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: all these shows, I was doing stand up, and stand
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: up started being kind of a form of therapy. It
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: was like a reassociative therapy that I would just go
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: up and I would talk about a problem that I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: have a deep personal problem that I have, and the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: response from the audience started being better. That's what I mean,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Like people coming to the shows, like like the heckles
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that I get as a comedian are so thoughtful, like
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the comedian gets like the thought like people turn into
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: therapist in the audience. Yeah, I'm not. I watched that, yes,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and I was like, those heckles aren't real the audiences. No, No,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Like people are smart. I believe that. I believe that,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like Twitter isn't just the that's not what the world is.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I hate it. Yeah, listen, sometimes I search your name
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to make me feel better about myself. Charlemagne. No, but
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but I like, no, all my my, the heckles that
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I get are thoughtful responses because you open yourself up
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and people open themselves up like like they they respond
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in kind. And so I'm glad. You're a good friends
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to your friends who are expressing themselves to you. How
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: did you deal with the sex edition sex ediction? I'm
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: still I'm still he's dealing with it. Still, he's trying
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to figure it out.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I'm getting my can on everybody, but no one to
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: show it shows you you just be on grind before
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: your boyfriend.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You was on grind. That was old.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: That was that had to be before your boyfriend, now
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: before my boyfriend.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, like yeah, sex sex sex is something else. Man.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: You gotta keep watching the show. You gotta wat do
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you get all the episodes?
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Yees three, I'm waiting on the link.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Can you send it a link with all the episodes
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: because I want to see all of it. Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: It had a good explanation though, you said, because you
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: waited so long to come out. Yeah, so now you
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: feel like a seventeen year old.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, making up making up for lost time, Like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: just like yeah, they're they're like my emotional maturity level
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was a bit delayed. That's it's a little embarrassing to admit,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: but true. But even that, I do think there are
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: certain aspects of my personality that I inherit from my father.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I've been reading about that a lot, just like being
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you you learn how to be a man
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: from your dad. And I learned He's gonna get mad
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: because hes gonna watch this always throwing me under the bus.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: But it's just true, like it's something you learn therapy
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: that like, oh, this is how you model yourself as
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a man, and and and so Yeah, I look to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: sex as a as a form of validation for my manlihood,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like to make me feel like a man.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: What you're saying is absolutely true, and I've said that
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: numerous times too. But I guess for me, I'm with
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm with women. Yeah, so to do that with other men.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: You got a daddy from the Caro Carolina, I got
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Dady from stocking Line. Well, not looking at you like
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: more of a man because you sleep with a bunch
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: of god Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I mean, Listen, the difference between
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: me and my dad is that I don't leave a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: trail of children, you know what I mean. I'm thankful
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: for that, thank God, because if I was straight, i'd
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: have seventeen kids. Like that's the only difference. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: thank God for that. There is a part in the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: show where your friend with the the mask.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the most honest moments I've seen on
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the show as far as when he says to you,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: this isn't honesty. Yeah, you got all these cameras because
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: that's what it feels like. It feels like it's a
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: curated To me, it feels like it's a curated exhibition
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: of your sexual exploits.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see. I don't see the truth that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you're trying to reveal. You. Look, my job is to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: remain truthful through all of it, and to be truthful
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: on camera and to like just be like myself. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: stay out of the editing room, and there's some truth
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, this is definitely something that's truncated to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: thirty minute episodes for people to consume and enjoy. But
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I'm truthful in it. That's what's important to me. That
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I'm truthful and I'm really going through these things, Like
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: none of that's made up, None of that's for the show,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: none of that's for the camera. Like these things, I'm
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: really going through real problems in my life. What is
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: this show doing for you that therapy can been using
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: it as a form of therapy, because therapy is exploring
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: yourself and exploring your past, but it's not necessarily confrontation.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I still needed a tool to be confident enough to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: have a conversation with my dad that I'd be terrified
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: having otherwise, Like you know, if I'm home in North Carolina,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, smiling, being a good son,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: being the son that they want me to be and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying the real things, asking the real questions.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: When the camera's on, I become like a journalist for
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: my own life, like no, no, no, what's that shit
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you said? Ninety eight? You know, I get real real,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: but but without the cameras. I'm afraid. You think if
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: y'all did family therapy, you think you would be still afraid, Like, yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I want to get my family to well. I think
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: individual is really important because you need to work on
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: yourself and you bring that to your life, you bring
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that to the people in your life. I think that's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: really really important. And it's funny because therapies is one
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of those things. I know, you talk about it a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: lot and it's easy, Like I don't want people to
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: get a negative like I know, like some of the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: comments would be like, oh, everybody's always talking about therapy,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: but those are people that need therapy the most. But like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it's an excuse to talk about yourself, that's all it is.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: It's just an excuse to explore things in your life
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't normally explore things that you and those
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: things manifest as health problems. They manifest in ways that
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't imagine they manifest its problems in your relationship,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: problems with raising your kids. Like, these things are real,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: they'll come out. It doesn't just stay bottled in. It
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: harms your body, it harms your spirit. So it's worth
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: talking about. And I want my family to do it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I think that it would be beneficial to all of us.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm doing it. That's really really important that I'm
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: doing it. I'm I'm working on myself constantly. You do
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: show how much of a shitty friend you are too? Yeah, no,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Can I tell your show you can't be a best
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: man in a wedding and show up an hour late
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to the wedding.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: It's not your wedding and then compare it to jury duty? Why?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: You know? Look when is it heard? Because I'm a performer,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and so I look at weddings as a show, like
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: all right, what is this show that we're going to?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: But but I love Pool and you know, I actually
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: got to ahead and we've been talking a lot. I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: hope that he liked the episode, Like he's a very sweet,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: thoughtful friend and inspired me so much, and so I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: know I was a bad friend. Again, it's hard exposed,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like the show. I'm like the villain of my own show.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I'm Eric Kane on my own show. Like I'm like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: people are like because I'm exposed. I'm exposing myself in
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a real way, like the like some of the worst
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: parts of myself I'm putting out there unedited, just like
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: letting it, letting the world see and judge and criticize.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: But I feel bad for that, like I felt bad
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: an episode of It's something I'm deeply apologetic for. I'm learning.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I'm still growing. I'm learning to not be as selfish.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Sure that's a means of self protection. Like I'm selfish
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: because I'm scared. Uh, And I'm learning not be as afraid.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: What about with jazz? How are things with jazz.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: That's as good? Isn't she a good actress?
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Was she acting? For real?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: She's crying on command? She's so good?
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: So I wasn't not crying on command?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Is she's good? She's good? Listen, listen if I may
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: say so myself, I got a good eye. You know
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you know now you know lead just but you know
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: it was another justice I said. It's pretty big. Another
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: thing you say on the show is being honest? Is cool?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Until you have a reason to lie. Yeah, Well, because
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: it's like I was living alone and I was the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: most honest that I'd ever been. I was just like
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I had no one could, no one was going home
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: with me, so there was no there was no reason
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to like lie to protect. But then I got into
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a relationship. I finally, I mean, it took me a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: long time. It took me thirty five years to find
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: someone that I love deeply to be in a loving relationship.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it. I love them very much.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And out of that love, sometimes I can fall into
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: traps where I'm lying about myself because I want to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: protect the relationships. It's a habit. It's a real masculine habit.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: H I'm lying, but I'm the protector, Like I'm lying
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: for a good reason. You kind of justify it. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and some like lies of omission are there's still lies
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: like but I when I have someone that I care about,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: somebody I love, it's easy to slip into that old
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: habit of of of lying because I want I want
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: him to feel good about me. I his image of
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: me is really really important to me. And he say,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it's hard to tell the truth to people. You love. Yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: do you not feel that way? Do you not feel
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that way? Sometimes? Like like yeah, because the consequences are
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: so the stakes are so high. I say that to
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: my mom like like sometimes I'm talking to my mom,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, be careful what you say to me,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: because I'll remember it for the rest of my life.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Every word that she says. It's so yeah. Yeah, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: some things I feel like need to be said. Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Some things, Yeah, some things, but you know it takes Look,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you want to say the truth with love and care,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: you know, but you the truth needs to come out.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You don't want to hold onto anything. And sometimes lashing
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: out isn't truthful. Sometimes lashing out is just you emotion. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you're being emotional about not saying the truth, like you're
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: actually doing the opposite of absolutely ischael an industry plant. Yeah,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: what what was that? Who said that we got? We got?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Was that? Like a Corey holcom thing is.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Love?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I wish? Is that energy on a special? Cory is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: so funny, Corey. Corey is so funny. I was like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: laughed so hard at Corey just when I was a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: young comic, like just watching him and it's like, man,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: you got like, don't that get old? Yeah, his audience
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: has to be Yeah, it's like Jesus crazy funny. It's funny.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: But but are you am I an industry plant? I mean, listen,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I wish the Illuminati was real. I wish that I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: could be a plant. I'd fucking signed up in a heartbeat. No,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I actually, unfortunately, I had to work hard to get
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: where I am at to like like think and expose.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I'm exposing so much of my life. That's the thing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes you get these criticisms from people who've made nothing,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, that's what's offensive to me.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It's like, no focus on your own work. I've worked very,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: very hard to get where I am. And but yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: if I could have sucked the dick to get to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the top, I suck because you want to do it. No,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm saying that. I'm saying that as a joke.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm saying as a joke like like like like I though,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: cause Liturell was defending you on club. You know. You
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: know the funny thing too, you know. I also like
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: if I make now sound like a rapper, but like
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: like a lot of these comedians who like criticized me.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: It is like no, no, like before I came out,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: coming out was the hardest thing I ever did in
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: my life. I was like afraid. I also, I had
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: multiple specials. I had a sitcom on NBC that ran
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: for three three seasons. I had I was fake. I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: was getting other people shows like I was. I was
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: more successful than them. Straight. So then to pretend that like, oh,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: like he came out, like that's silly, that's silly. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: don't even entertain that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It feels like you've been trying to come out, like
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the past three h field things you did though, because
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: there was the other it was another reality show that
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: was kind of before even oh like the well, well
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I did documentaries about my life.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that was like that was my soft launch.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. People were just like kind of dismissed it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: But whatever. In the stand up, well, that's when I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: was being truthful. I said it like it was, it
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: was truthful. I said it ten tolls down like this
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: is who I am. And it's a hard thing. It's scary.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Revealing something about yourself is really really scary. And that's
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like with criticisms, I'm like, listen, look
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: at yourself, look at your own art. If you are
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to criticize me, please make sure you're making art that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you care about more than a podcast, more than any
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of these things. Make sure you're making a tangible thing
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that people care about before you start attacking me. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: don't think being gay on TV is as shocking as
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it once was. It's shocking in my personal life, that's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: all I care.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: The art that I make is about the difficulty that
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I had. I'd tell my mother that and that was hard,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like yeah, like sure, like yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: landscape is changed. I'm thankful for any gay person. And
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it came out before that made it a little bit
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: easier for me, but it was still a very difficult
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: thing to reveal about my life. And there you know
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that's that's not easy. It wasn't easy.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I can tell you're ready to go back. I want
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: to ask, because you just mentioned something. You said that
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you had all of this great stuff going on before
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: you came out. So do you feel like coming out
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: as gay is taking away the focus on on everything
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: you've done in your career. Show still exists streaming on Hulu.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: What's My Man? What Happened? When Mac was out there.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I google you, what's gonna come up to say what
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: you said? If you google day, it's all transgender stuff.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Things I'm talking about. Watch the show. I hope people
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: watch the show. Like if if you see the show,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you'll see the truth. You know, I'm confident in that,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I think this, Like up top, I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was just upset because something untrue was I say enough things,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: enough true things to talk about, like I don't need
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: any lies, like like I don't need any of that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm making art about my life and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm really proud out of it. I hope people
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: watch the show. That that's the important thing. I sent
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you out episodes, Please send it just is it an
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: episode of the show. Damn me.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there online looking at clips, looking at stand
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: ups that you've done.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Because they know each other. We've met before, you in
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the shower, you in the showers, and they didn't send
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: me anything. Wanted you old to himself.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Because it comes on I mean after Bill. I mean
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I liked, but it also comes on after Bill mar
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: which is a great leader. Yeah, watching I'm already watching.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: TV on good. I think the show is funny, kind
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: of funny, not funny like man, y'all. So straight, y'all.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: So this is this Paul stunning like Jesus Christ, you
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: are so straight.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: Congratulations, Jesus call on Michael. Ladies and gentlemen brought you
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: a candle.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you, and you can check out the reality show
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Fridays on HBO Max.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, brother for joining us, Thanks for having me
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: very much. Wake that ass up in the morning. The
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club