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#187 Laura's hot-take on life with Poppy · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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Speaker 1: That practice sleeping baby, like, did you have to give
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Speaker 1: the hardest clap of your entire life?
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Speaker 2: I went pretty soft.
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Speaker 3: I thought, well, just wait now, so this is going
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Speaker 3: to be a disaster.
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Speaker 1: Well done, well done, We're currently trying to record a
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Speaker 1: podcast with a sleeping baby. Was like, let me just
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Speaker 1: give the go ahead with this giant drum set that
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Speaker 1: I've got here.
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Speaker 3: You did good. It was an impressive clasp. Papy just
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Speaker 3: wanted to wake up and see what.
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Speaker 2: Was going on.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know this was going to I didn't know
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Speaker 4: I was going to walk in to be ganged up
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Speaker 4: on here, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know you're going to try and wake up
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Speaker 1: my sleeping newborn.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, it's been a long time since I've had a
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Speaker 4: newborn in my house. I'm not really used to it.
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Speaker 5: You can take her anytime, No, I'm cool, Welcome.
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Speaker 1: Back to dating dads had one doting mum. I am Maddie, Jay,
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Speaker 1: I'm ash, I'm Laura.
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Speaker 5: And I'm poppy. That is actually how she speaks. She's
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Speaker 5: a child prodigy. Oh she's a genius. Yeah, speaking already
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Speaker 5: seven weeks old.
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Speaker 1: Laura, you're messing up the introduction.
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Speaker 5: Oh so sorry. Sorry.
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Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting.
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Speaker 2: It is the good, it is the bad and the relatable.
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Speaker 1: If you come for advice, Laura, what do you do?
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Speaker 5: You don't stay here, you go away.
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Speaker 2: She's very good, very good.
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Speaker 5: You go listen to Hamish's Dad podcast.
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Speaker 2: You shut your mouth.
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Speaker 1: We'll edit that part.
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Speaker 2: The first thing we edited out. I think we might
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Speaker 2: have to start again.
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Speaker 1: Look, we a little bit a little bit late. Apologies, Laura.
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Speaker 1: You were already half an hour ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how bad.
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Speaker 5: That's okay.
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Speaker 3: It does seem like things are a little bit disorganized.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm just a ring in. I don't actually think.
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Speaker 3: I don't actually think it's the plan.
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Speaker 2: I think that no offended.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I was only asked about an hour ago,
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Speaker 3: so I'm guessing I guessing it wasn't planning.
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Speaker 1: We have been planning this since the birth of Poppy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this has been a long I'll tell you right
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Speaker 4: now the background work on this episode.
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Speaker 1: Someone called in sick.
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Speaker 5: Actually, I understand you do want to put too much
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Speaker 5: pressure on me.
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Speaker 3: When I was in my postpartum phase, you know, and
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Speaker 3: now that I'm feeling better, you were like, okay, today's
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Speaker 3: the day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. Yeah, let's got that one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Laura, it's great to have you back on
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Speaker 1: the podcast.
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Speaker 5: It is guys have missed you. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: The last time we recorded together was when I was
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Speaker 3: still pregnant, and I did listen to that back and
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Speaker 3: it was just about twenty minutes of chaos topic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: We love that.
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Speaker 1: Ash had a couple of drinks before we recorded. Right now,
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Speaker 1: people like the chaos.
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Speaker 2: People do like cat because that's what it's that's what
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Speaker 2: it's like.
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Speaker 4: And now that you got three, I suppose it's chaotic
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Speaker 4: all the time.
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Speaker 5: Well, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: We actually currently have so I've got puppy strap to me.
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Speaker 3: Lola is upstairs watching an iPad. She has gastro. Nana's
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Speaker 3: got her in the room. We've tied Nana in the
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Speaker 3: room with the child with the gastro because they're both
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Speaker 3: being per.
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Speaker 1: Must has also started vomiting for some weird outside this morning.
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Speaker 3: Bust to vomited under the table and he just goes,
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Speaker 3: you let me walk in this sickly household.
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Speaker 2: My goodness. I came in and the dogs outside looking
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Speaker 2: real sad looking at me. Going, you'll let me in.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know why you're out there, bro,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not getting involved.
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Speaker 3: The last thing I think I can handle at this
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Speaker 3: point in my life is the dog shitting on the carpet.
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Speaker 3: So I was like, you can bust. We love you,
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Speaker 3: but you're outside. I can't put the kids outsie when
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Speaker 3: they have gastro.
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Speaker 5: But you are, buddy.
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Speaker 1: Sorry ash to bring you into this hell a German
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Speaker 1: fested home. Laura, I need to ask you something straight
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Speaker 1: off the bat, because you mentioned something on Life on
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Speaker 1: Cut recently where you said after you had a third child,
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Speaker 1: you felt like it would be a sense of completion.
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Speaker 1: You're done.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't have that. Sorry yeah, no, No,
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Speaker 3: has that changed? How didn't we get that feeling?
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Speaker 4: I'm confused here with this question, this line of question.
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Speaker 5: We're not having any more.
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Speaker 2: God, you're cool.
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Speaker 5: I'm too old. Actually that's not true.
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Speaker 3: I shouldn't say i'm too old. I'm not forty yet.
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Speaker 3: I'm not too old. Lots of people have kids in
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Speaker 3: their forties. I feel too old in my body now
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Speaker 3: that I'm already parenting three children, that's what. And I
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Speaker 3: feel as though my body hasn't recovered as well this time.
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Speaker 3: So that's why when I say too old, I mean
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Speaker 3: in terms of myself, not in terms of an actual
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Speaker 3: age could cover. It's true though, because if I if
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Speaker 3: I'd started later, I would will still want three kids.
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Speaker 5: But now that I have three kids, I'm like, the
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Speaker 5: thought are doing four? It's like fuck.
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Speaker 1: It reminds me of when like a famous rugby player
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Speaker 1: retires and they're like, I want to keep playing, but
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Speaker 1: the body went around.
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Speaker 5: That's exactly what it is.
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Speaker 2: It's exactly retire from birth children.
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Speaker 1: The knees can't take them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my knees, they're never going to be the same.
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Speaker 3: I walk down the stairs now and they hurt. But
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Speaker 3: that's also because they still haven't strapped me. I'm like
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Speaker 3: constantly lugging around an additional six kilos of a child
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Speaker 3: because she lives strapped to my body.
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Speaker 2: Still, so we can say there's no other kids coming.
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Speaker 5: So Okay.
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Speaker 3: After Poppy was born and I had a couple of
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Speaker 3: days in the hospital, I messaged him out on like
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Speaker 3: day two, I think it was all day three, and
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Speaker 3: I said to him, I was like, I reckon, I
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Speaker 3: could go get Oh my.
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Speaker 2: God, right now, I can go again right now? Bring
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Speaker 2: the epy jural in.
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Speaker 5: I was like, I think I could go again.
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Speaker 3: And Matt wrote back and said, I am booking in
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Speaker 3: that viseectomy.
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Speaker 5: So he hasn't yet though not yet, not yet.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I've got a question for you.
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Speaker 4: Then with me from one vaseectimy owner to a potential
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Speaker 4: other VERSEECTI me, are you one hundred percent on this?
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Speaker 2: For sake? We call it a second.
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Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was done after too. I
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Speaker 1: felt like I still had some fuel left in the tank.
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Speaker 1: But I now I the thought of doing a fourth
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Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't.
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Speaker 5: You would look.
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Speaker 1: I think if someone had a gun to my head
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Speaker 1: and said you've got to raise a fourth child, I
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Speaker 1: could do it.
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Speaker 5: Get off it.
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Speaker 2: Can I throw an idea there?
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Speaker 1: Hit me?
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Speaker 5: Can I wear a condom?
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Speaker 2: Don't do that?
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Speaker 4: Doesn't feel good? Can I throw an idea out there?
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Speaker 4: Can you get a sectomy? And we will document the
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Speaker 4: whole journey.
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Speaker 1: Ash has been trying to film my dick and ball
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Speaker 1: maybe so long.
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Speaker 2: Now, Well, I'm experienced in this field.
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Speaker 5: You're more experienced in the baby making field.
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Speaker 1: That is number one on my list for twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: That's my New Year's resolution.
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Speaker 2: Can I come along for the dreamy?
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Speaker 1: Of course?
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Speaker 3: Yes, there's a part of me that okay, and maybe
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Speaker 3: this isn't anomal reaction. There's a part of me that
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Speaker 3: feels offended that that's like his number one thing that
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Speaker 3: he wants to get done.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, tell me how much you're hating this?
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 1: It has been. It's been a tricky a tricky couple
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Speaker 1: of months, a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, you're aging this child.
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Speaker 5: Sorry, what part has been tricky for you?
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Speaker 1: Someone actually wrote in They did ask how are you
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Speaker 1: enjoying doing the pickup? And has Laura been tuning in?
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Speaker 3: Is that The thing that's been the trickiest is the
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Speaker 3: fact that you've been doing the radio show.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just a combination of Nana being sick
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Speaker 1: then having the pick up every afternoon.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm flat out you look great.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't.
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Speaker 1: People keep telling me and they're like, you look tired.
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Speaker 3: That's offended, because yesterday he put up some stories and
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Speaker 3: one person of his three hundred thousand followers, ten people were.
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Speaker 1: Like, just you know, you look fucking tired.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you don't I don't think you do.
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Speaker 5: I do.
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Speaker 3: I disagree. Look, I want to validate all your feelings.
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Speaker 3: And I know it's been very tough. I actually I
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Speaker 3: genuinely feel like this has been the easiest version of
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Speaker 3: adding a child to the mix that I could have
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Speaker 3: ever hoped for and expected.
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Speaker 5: So like maybe, but I also.
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Speaker 3: Do think that as a woman and as the mother,
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Speaker 3: you do a lot more mental preparation before the baby arrives.
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Speaker 5: So like you, well, no, you do.
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Speaker 3: I don't even think you realized that she was a
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Speaker 3: right until the week she was here, Like, Oh, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Just gonna turn my mic.
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is gonna war.
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Speaker 3: I did like a lot of thinking through, Okay, how
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Speaker 3: is my life going to change? Like what impact is
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Speaker 3: this going to have? How am I going to navigate
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Speaker 3: and negotiate through work? What does maternity leave look like?
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Speaker 3: Is there maternity leave for me? Like there was a lot.
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Speaker 5: Going on prior to her arriving.
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Speaker 3: And I think I had absolutely and I said this
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Speaker 3: on life on card, but I like completely had prepared
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Speaker 3: myself for the worst version of what life was going
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Speaker 3: to be, Like I thought I would be miserable. I
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Speaker 3: will accept that I'm going to be miserable for a
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks or months, I'll be so sleep deprived
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Speaker 3: I won't be able to function properly, and then it
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Speaker 3: will get good, right, because like, of course I wanted
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Speaker 3: a third but I knew that the newborn phase was
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Speaker 3: going to be really hard, and you just don't know too,
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Speaker 3: You don't know, And it has been the best version
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Speaker 3: that I could have ever hoped for.
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Speaker 1: That.
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Speaker 3: So that's why I think sometimes when you say, oh,
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Speaker 3: it's been really tricky, like I almost feel defensive and
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Speaker 3: offended because I'm like, it has been the least version
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Speaker 3: of tricky.
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Speaker 5: And she sleeps, she wakes up twice a night, like.
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Speaker 3: She's so good that I this feels like a therapy
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Speaker 3: session more than anything.
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Speaker 2: Right now, you're right, you're on o'clock. I think like
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Speaker 2: this is the least tricky part of it. The logistics
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Speaker 2: around it, especially with paul Nana poor thing, and she's
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Speaker 2: been so sick. Yeah, and then the dog shitting on
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Speaker 2: the floor the other day.
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Speaker 3: And also there is this kind of like change that
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Speaker 3: happens at the start where like the load of the
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Speaker 3: organization for Molly and Lola falls on Matt. So it's
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Speaker 3: like that addition becomes like Matt's priority and I'm doing, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, one hundred percent of Poppy at the moment.
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Speaker 3: So it's a shift in how you manage the household
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Speaker 3: that happens at this phase.
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Speaker 4: That leads me into a question I've got for you,
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Speaker 4: which someone has for you, which is how are you
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Speaker 4: finding as new mum and having to spend so much
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Speaker 4: time with Poppy spreading your love to your other children
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Speaker 4: and Matt?
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Speaker 5: It's hard. It's hard because they're always on you, right.
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Speaker 1: Poppy, not me.
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Speaker 5: I've put Matt in the artiple, didn't carry.
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Speaker 1: Him around, although I did.
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Speaker 5: Struggled like a giant baby wanted it. It was it
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Speaker 5: was straddled over me for a cuddle, and I was like,
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Speaker 5: this is it.
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Speaker 1: Nana was like, I just going on, I've just come
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Speaker 1: out of hospital and you do a straddle each other. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I wish that we were joking, but no, Nana was
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Speaker 3: just like in the kitchen, pottering around.
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Speaker 5: Could I get you got anything? Come ups? She comes out?
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Speaker 1: How do Yeah? How do you find at the moment?
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Speaker 1: Dividing Laura amongst three kids and a husband.
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Speaker 3: It is the hardest part of this period, I think,
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Speaker 3: because like a normal day for me. I wake up
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Speaker 3: in the morning, I have Poppy, so like try and
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Speaker 3: quickly have a shower while she's sleeping. Matt does the girls,
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Speaker 3: get does their breakfast and everything else, and then Poppy
10:38
Speaker 3: comes to work with me and she's.
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Speaker 5: On me all day.
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Speaker 3: And then I come home and I do the dinner
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Speaker 3: and everything with the girls. Like every evening, I sit
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Speaker 3: with them and I do their dinner, and I do
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Speaker 3: their books, and then I do their bath, and then
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Speaker 3: I read their books and I get them to bed.
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Speaker 3: So I still have the evenings which are like one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent with them, but often it's with them and
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Speaker 3: Poppy strap to me, and then I don't get a
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Speaker 3: second to myself until eight thirty nighttime, nine o'clock sometimes,
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Speaker 3: and so by the time that rolls around, the last
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Speaker 3: thing I want to do is then be like, and
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Speaker 3: then you come here, sweetheart, and let me cater to
11:07
Speaker 3: your needs as well, because I haven't had any chance
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Speaker 3: to do anything for me in that period.
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Speaker 5: Either, So it's hard.
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Speaker 3: And we did this dance when Lola was little, you know,
11:17
Speaker 3: because as a mum, you kind of always have the
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Speaker 3: newborn and so it's not like there's time to go
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Speaker 3: and do anything that's for yourself that's like independent of
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Speaker 3: having kids with you. In terms of managing the time
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Speaker 3: with Marley and Lola, I think the fact that we
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Speaker 3: had a big age gap has been really helpful because
11:35
Speaker 3: they're so excited about having Poppy. There's not the same
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Speaker 3: level of jealousy that I think there would have been.
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Speaker 3: And like even Lola we had to do this posted
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Speaker 3: the other day and she had to write down, like
11:44
Speaker 3: what was her favorite thing in the world, Lola Bear,
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Speaker 3: what's your favorite thing in the whole world?
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Speaker 1: Hoding propy.
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Speaker 3: So she's not feeling jealous. She definitely has moments where
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Speaker 3: she wants more of me independently, but she is so
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Speaker 3: excited I thought she'd be with Poppy.
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Speaker 1: I thought she would be way more jealous than.
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Speaker 2: What she kind of thought that too.
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Speaker 4: I haven't seen her in a while, and I saw
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Speaker 4: her today and she's like because she's a little girl now.
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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, she's changed so much.
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Speaker 3: And also I think it's this year, particularly since Matt
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Speaker 3: went and did I'm a celebrity, This year has been
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Speaker 3: like a really big transitional year for her because she
12:20
Speaker 3: used to be one hundred percent me and now she's
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Speaker 3: quite happy to have the both of us in equal parts.
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Speaker 3: So at nighttime, I think that that's probably the trickiest
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Speaker 3: thing is that she used to always get into our bed,
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Speaker 3: and now she can't get into our bed because if
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Speaker 3: it's Matt on one side, Lola in the middle, me,
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Speaker 3: and then Poppy, like, Poppy's gonna get turfed out of
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Speaker 3: the bed or rolled on too.
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Speaker 5: So it's just not a safe environment.
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Speaker 3: So Matt often gets up and he now goes and
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Speaker 3: sleeps in Lola's bed, and that's you know, She's like,
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Speaker 3: all right, if I have to put up with one parent,
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Speaker 3: come on and Dad, you'll you're fucking date.
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Speaker 1: It's like someone's starving and they're only eating the rotten
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Speaker 1: fruit because there's nothing else. That's all this left, the
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Speaker 1: rotten fruit.
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Speaker 3: You're no, But I think it's good for your relationship,
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Speaker 3: and I think between us we manage them well, like
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Speaker 3: there's always one parent to fill the cup.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always good.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like, at this stage, with so much
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Speaker 1: attention on Poppy, do you have any guilt or anxiety
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Speaker 1: about how much time and affection you can give to
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Speaker 1: the other, to the other two.
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Speaker 3: No, No, I would if I wasn't able to do,
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Speaker 3: Like the night times are really important, like from the
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Speaker 3: time that they come home from school, like um clocked
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Speaker 3: on the girls and I'm doing everything with them. I
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Speaker 3: think if I wasn't able to do that and I
13:32
Speaker 3: had to like be doing more things with Poppy than
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Speaker 3: I think I would feel like there was a real gap.
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Speaker 3: But I don't get from them this sense of like
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Speaker 3: really big emotions and they're missing out on anything at
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Speaker 3: the moment. Like, I think that we've got a relatively
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Speaker 3: good balance, considering that we have a seven week old baby. Like,
13:46
Speaker 3: no one's doing it perfect at this point. It's an impossibility,
13:50
Speaker 3: but I think this is our third rodeo now, and
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Speaker 3: so we're doing it as well as what we could
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Speaker 3: possibly do. It is kind of how I'm It's kind
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Speaker 3: of like how I'm approaching this.
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Speaker 2: It also would help that thankfully she's a sleeper, right.
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Speaker 5: She sleeps all the time. She's asleep now.
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Speaker 4: She makes a big difference because then you can, like
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Speaker 4: if you're continuously if you don't have.
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Speaker 2: A sleeper, you get an angry baby. If something's happening,
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Speaker 2: You've got to spend way more time with them. I'm
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Speaker 2: trying to get them to sleep, so that you.
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Speaker 4: Might miss and you might be way more tired than
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Speaker 4: you probably are right now.
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Speaker 3: And be way more not even as tired, but like
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Speaker 3: so much more anxious. I think one of the big
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Speaker 3: things I keep saying this to everyone about having number
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Speaker 3: three is like it is all the love and no anxiety.
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Speaker 3: Like she's making noise at nighttime and waking us up,
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Speaker 3: and I'm not, like, what's that noise?
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Speaker 5: Is she dying? Is she breathing? Has she vomited?
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Speaker 3: Like I know exactly what the noises are now, so
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Speaker 3: I can I know when I can sleep through it,
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Speaker 3: I know when I have to do something about it.
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Speaker 3: I know when I can just shove a dummy. And
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Speaker 3: I just don't feel stressed out by her. And I
14:42
Speaker 3: think that that has been the most healing version of
14:46
Speaker 3: adding another kid to the mix, because with Lola, I
14:49
Speaker 3: felt so stressed all the time, and I felt so anxious,
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Speaker 3: and that just bled into everything. And I had way
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Speaker 3: more guilt when Lola came along, because I felt like
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Speaker 3: I had to be one hundred percent on Lola and
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Speaker 3: Matt was one hundred percent on Malei, and it created
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Speaker 3: this separation and that hasn't happened this time at all.
15:03
Speaker 5: I don't think.
15:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember, like even now, like the cry of
15:06
Speaker 4: a baby makes me so anxious.
15:09
Speaker 2: Right, you mentioned like the little noises.
15:12
Speaker 4: I just remember like just being awake all the time
15:16
Speaker 4: because of just the little noises.
15:17
Speaker 2: I was worried about that.
15:18
Speaker 3: Like it's so it's so different this time back we
15:21
Speaker 3: have and I hate to say it for anyone who's
15:23
Speaker 3: in the trenches with a newborn, but like she is
15:25
Speaker 3: a unicorn child, like she does not. We know she's
15:28
Speaker 3: a unicorn child because we've had the exact opposite of that.
15:31
Speaker 3: So like you know, for the first five weeks, I
15:34
Speaker 3: could just put her in her little rap, pop her
15:36
Speaker 3: in her cot, and.
15:37
Speaker 5: She put herself to sleep. Now I can't.
15:39
Speaker 3: I have to like put her in a little rap,
15:41
Speaker 3: give her a feed, rock her for a couple of minutes,
15:43
Speaker 3: and then I put it like it's crazy.
15:44
Speaker 5: It's actually crazy.
15:45
Speaker 3: It will make some people feel furious, Oh yeah, because
15:48
Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, And I know that had I been
15:50
Speaker 3: in the place where I was with Lola and someone
15:52
Speaker 3: said I just wrap her in a little muslin wrap
15:54
Speaker 3: and put her in the cot, would have been like,
15:55
Speaker 3: I just want to punch in the phone. I'm very
15:59
Speaker 3: conscious of how obnoxious it sounds.
16:01
Speaker 1: If we were breeding like dogs right now, you would get.
16:05
Speaker 5: Well, not with the respector becoming.
16:06
Speaker 1: We would get the temperament of Poppy, and you would
16:09
Speaker 1: use that as the base model. Yeah.
16:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, like she is the reason why people would want
16:12
Speaker 3: to have a fourth and then you would not have
16:14
Speaker 3: this again and you would be like, that was a
16:15
Speaker 3: terrible This.
16:16
Speaker 1: Is nature fucking with us right now.
16:22
Speaker 4: Both of mine were like, I mean, Mason was much better,
16:25
Speaker 4: but I still remember like having to rock her for
16:28
Speaker 4: so long, and maybe I was.
16:31
Speaker 2: Doing it wrong. I don't know, but like I recall
16:34
Speaker 2: like I had I had.
16:35
Speaker 4: COVID, that's right, and I had Masi's six weeks old,
16:37
Speaker 4: and I was like on my deathbed with COVID.
16:40
Speaker 5: And you and there's no reprieve, Like there's no you
16:43
Speaker 5: have to do it right.
16:44
Speaker 2: I was like this, and I remember my eyeballs being
16:46
Speaker 2: so hot.
16:49
Speaker 4: Because my fever was through the roof, and I was like,
16:52
Speaker 4: looking at April, we're isolated. We're isolated with a two
16:55
Speaker 4: year old at the time. It was absolute just gives
16:58
Speaker 4: me the shivers every time I think.
17:00
Speaker 3: About you know, you're having a hard time when you've
17:02
Speaker 3: got hot eyeballs.
17:04
Speaker 2: It was like I had I had two of the
17:07
Speaker 2: sun attached to the front of my face and I
17:09
Speaker 2: was like rocking doing squats.
17:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, but man, like having a newborn is hard, like
17:15
Speaker 3: is it is hard. Adding a new kid to any
17:18
Speaker 3: equation is going to be hard, and it's going to
17:21
Speaker 3: have like, it's going to have its challenging moments.
17:24
Speaker 1: I do feel, though, I don't know if it's you
17:26
Speaker 1: have to kind of make more of a focus when
17:29
Speaker 1: you do have that free time and giving the quality
17:31
Speaker 1: time to the other two. But I do feel a
17:34
Speaker 1: sense of being stretched, like on the weekends when I'm thinking, oh,
17:37
Speaker 1: I've got to grab Poppy off you just so you
17:39
Speaker 1: get a bit of a break, and then Marley and
17:41
Speaker 1: Lola would normally have time to go down the park,
17:44
Speaker 1: or that time is taken away. So I think it
17:47
Speaker 1: does take a bit of an adjustment trying to settle
17:50
Speaker 1: in with how you divide your time amongst all three.
17:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, but I also think in terms of
17:56
Speaker 3: that there's always going to be an adjustment. And like
18:00
Speaker 3: with the whole guilt concept, like I refuse to feel guilty.
18:03
Speaker 5: We are doing the best job that we can do.
18:06
Speaker 3: The kids are so well looked after, they are happy,
18:08
Speaker 3: they are you know, one of them upstairs watching.
18:12
Speaker 2: No.
18:13
Speaker 3: They are so cared for and loved, and they are
18:16
Speaker 3: in a house with then nan and two parents who
18:18
Speaker 3: always make time for them and prioritize them, and so
18:21
Speaker 3: I kind of I guess maybe with this time around,
18:24
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not going to feel guilty about this,
18:26
Speaker 3: Like it is what it is. We're doing the best
18:27
Speaker 3: that we can possibly do. If I thought we weren't
18:29
Speaker 3: doing the best that we could do and actually we
18:31
Speaker 3: were being shitty, then yeah, of course feel guilty. But
18:34
Speaker 3: I really wanted to enjoy this because I know this
18:36
Speaker 3: is the last time we're going to do it, and
18:37
Speaker 3: so I don't want to spend this entire period feeling
18:40
Speaker 3: stressed out that I'm actually going to end up with
18:42
Speaker 3: a child in therapy one day, because I mean, potentially
18:45
Speaker 3: they're going to.
18:45
Speaker 5: End up in therapy anyway.
18:46
Speaker 3: They should get it's you know, it's character building.
18:50
Speaker 4: I know. I've got a question actually that just sprang
18:52
Speaker 4: to mind. Do you think it's beneficial if going for
18:55
Speaker 4: a third for example, you've you're already pregnant, let's just
18:57
Speaker 4: say you're already pregnant with.
18:59
Speaker 2: Your thirds matt will dropped out.
19:01
Speaker 4: Do you think it's worth setting for the girls that
19:03
Speaker 4: you already have, setting the expectation of what's going to
19:06
Speaker 4: happen in terms of we might not have as much
19:08
Speaker 4: park time or we might not have Do you think
19:10
Speaker 4: it's worth setting that expectation or just seeing how it
19:13
Speaker 4: goes and then having to deal with, Oh, they can't
19:16
Speaker 4: go to the park now because Poppies might be a
19:18
Speaker 4: bit sick or something and someone's been pulled away.
19:20
Speaker 3: I don't think we did that. I don't think we
19:23
Speaker 3: really prepared them. I mean, we have the book You're
19:25
Speaker 3: going to Be a Big Sister book, and we read
19:27
Speaker 3: that to lot, especially Lola because Marley understand she's been
19:30
Speaker 3: through it once before.
19:31
Speaker 5: But we kind of more were focused.
19:33
Speaker 3: On, like, there's going to be a baby in the house,
19:36
Speaker 3: and babies cry, alon babies need lots of attention. But
19:39
Speaker 3: I don't think we were very specific around that means
19:42
Speaker 3: that you're not going to get there. And also I
19:44
Speaker 3: don't think you want to scare a kid about what's coming,
19:47
Speaker 3: because I think if you can lean into the fact
19:49
Speaker 3: that you're including them, they're excited about a baby coming.
19:53
Speaker 3: It's not going to be at the deficit of my
19:54
Speaker 3: relationship with you, but like it's going to add to
19:56
Speaker 3: this relationship we're going to have together.
19:58
Speaker 5: I think that that was the mentality I had about it.
20:01
Speaker 3: And also like including the kids, not to parentify them,
20:04
Speaker 3: and I'm really careful about how I say this, but
20:05
Speaker 3: like they're old enough that they want to be involved.
20:07
Speaker 3: So get nappies, they get they get wipes, like they
20:11
Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, do you want to change her nappy?
20:12
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, that's disgusting, but like I'm asking you.
20:16
Speaker 3: I think it's really being really conscious as well. Like
20:19
Speaker 3: there are definitely days where I'm super tired and I
20:21
Speaker 3: would love to stay in bed in the morning, and
20:23
Speaker 3: Lola comes in and I'm like, it's okay, sweetie, get
20:25
Speaker 3: in the bed. Like I could easily say like no,
20:28
Speaker 3: mommy needs to go back to sleep, but I'm really
20:30
Speaker 3: conscious that like that's an important thing for her, and
20:32
Speaker 3: so I'll make that sacrifice of my sleep in order
20:36
Speaker 3: for her to know that she's always welcome in out bed.
20:38
Speaker 4: It could make the big difference how the rest of
20:40
Speaker 4: her day pans out.
20:41
Speaker 3: Hundred It also makes a massive difference to her relationship
20:44
Speaker 3: with Poppy and I want them. I was really jealous
20:47
Speaker 3: of my brother when he was born, so there's an
20:49
Speaker 3: eight year age difference between me and my brother and
20:52
Speaker 3: different dads, and it wasn't an easy household at the time.
20:55
Speaker 3: And I was so deeply jealous of my brother for
20:59
Speaker 3: most of my childhood and it affected my relationship with
21:02
Speaker 3: him hugely, and I would be really mean to him,
21:04
Speaker 3: and I just didn't have the capacity or the understanding
21:09
Speaker 3: that the reason that I was the way I was
21:11
Speaker 3: was because actually I was jealous and I wasn't getting
21:13
Speaker 3: what I needed from my mum at the time because
21:16
Speaker 3: she was single mum, three kids, Like it was really hard.
21:17
Speaker 3: She did her best, but I got a lot from
21:19
Speaker 3: my grandparents, but I was spending so much time with them,
21:22
Speaker 3: and my mom wasn't able to split her time amongst
21:25
Speaker 3: the three of us evenly, and that manifested in me
21:28
Speaker 3: really really like not wanting to be around my brother,
21:31
Speaker 3: which I now look back on, I'm like, that's such
21:33
Speaker 3: a sad thing, and I hate that that happened. And
21:35
Speaker 3: so I think, if anything, I'm hyper conscious about the
21:38
Speaker 3: relationship that the girls are going to have with each other.
21:41
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, you just see, like every family has their
21:44
Speaker 4: own dynamic, right, and like as you grow older, I
21:47
Speaker 4: remember my friends that I had with siblings and like
21:50
Speaker 4: a really young sibling, and it was like, how do
21:53
Speaker 4: you not let it get to the point where it's
21:56
Speaker 4: sort of like the three of them are at each
21:57
Speaker 4: other or all of a sudden they're against each other
22:00
Speaker 4: for attention.
22:00
Speaker 2: It's like such a fine line.
22:03
Speaker 4: To walk where it's I've got to be here, but
22:05
Speaker 4: then I also want to be there for you. And
22:06
Speaker 4: it's not the baby's fault necessarily that I'm spending more
22:10
Speaker 4: time here.
22:10
Speaker 2: It's just something I have to do.
22:11
Speaker 3: Have you noticed this is a question for Matt, Like
22:14
Speaker 3: Mally and Lawla have started fighting a.
22:15
Speaker 5: Little bit more than what they normally do. Really, yeah,
22:18
Speaker 5: they're not there.
22:18
Speaker 2: They don't break that down.
22:20
Speaker 5: Male and Lola don't normally fight.
22:22
Speaker 3: They're actually they really love each other, like they and
22:24
Speaker 3: they they are kind of like that sweet relationship where
22:26
Speaker 3: they're like, you're my best friend before they go to bed,
22:29
Speaker 3: which is just the cutest thing ever. But in the
22:31
Speaker 3: last and I think it's just been like a frustrating
22:33
Speaker 3: weekend that they've had.
22:34
Speaker 5: But over the weekend, Malia like.
22:36
Speaker 3: She like threw a few like soccer punches at Lola
22:39
Speaker 3: when she was like angry about something she just wasn't
22:41
Speaker 3: able to regulate and smacked a sister, which is really
22:44
Speaker 3: unlike her. So I think that they're the moments where
22:47
Speaker 3: you start to see, oh, okay, one kid's not getting enough,
22:50
Speaker 3: like we're not intervening enough, we're not giving her enough
22:54
Speaker 3: attention that makes her feel like she is being understood.
22:57
Speaker 3: So therefore she's lashing out because no one's fixing the
23:00
Speaker 3: problem for her or helping her fix it.
23:02
Speaker 2: Giving her the tools to fix it totally.
23:03
Speaker 4: Because you're right, there's still they're still not one hundred
23:06
Speaker 4: percent regulating and they're.
23:07
Speaker 5: Always going to fight at some point, like the kids,
23:09
Speaker 5: you know.
23:09
Speaker 1: I think it's peaks and trops. I think depending on
23:12
Speaker 1: like sports always a big one, depending on, you know,
23:14
Speaker 1: when there's certain events on, kids will get more attention.
23:17
Speaker 1: I think at the moment, Poppy obviously as a newborn,
23:20
Speaker 1: was getting majority of the attention as she should. I
23:22
Speaker 1: think Marley, given that she's had this end of year
23:24
Speaker 1: dance recital, she's now got these auditions for a new
23:27
Speaker 1: dance group. So she's had so much attention because she's rehearsal.
23:29
Speaker 3: West Stage parents now dads. That's actually a stage mom,
23:33
Speaker 3: thank you stage Yeah, and.
23:34
Speaker 1: She's she's Malay's also had those projects as well that
23:38
Speaker 1: she's had to get done, So she's getting a lot
23:39
Speaker 1: of attention, and I feel like I'm very aware that
23:41
Speaker 1: Lola hasn't had something that we've had to really focus on. Obviously,
23:45
Speaker 1: school starting in those orientation days have been great that
23:48
Speaker 1: she's had that attention, but I'm like, oh, we've got
23:51
Speaker 1: to give it to Lola as well to try and
23:52
Speaker 1: make it more.
23:53
Speaker 2: Even wait till there's a birthday. Yes, the good thing
23:56
Speaker 2: is the first birthday's.
23:57
Speaker 3: Low Lola's And also like her year next year is
24:00
Speaker 3: such a big year, like she starts school next year,
24:02
Speaker 3: so like there are big things that are coming. But
24:04
Speaker 3: it's always like you think about the middle child. It's
24:06
Speaker 3: so hard being a middle chart. I say this because
24:08
Speaker 3: I was a middle child, But it's really hard because
24:11
Speaker 3: you always have a big sibling who is usually better
24:15
Speaker 3: at everything. You know, like they're better at sport because
24:17
Speaker 3: they're bigger, they're better at at dancing or singing or
24:19
Speaker 3: spelling or whatever.
24:20
Speaker 5: It is because they've just done it first.
24:22
Speaker 3: They've done every experience first, and then you always have
24:25
Speaker 3: like the little one who needs more because they're little.
24:27
Speaker 3: So there is this like weird gap of being it's
24:29
Speaker 3: very resilient building, Like I think that there's lots of
24:32
Speaker 3: benefits that come from being the middle child, but it's
24:35
Speaker 3: also really humbling when you're small and you're like, I'm
24:37
Speaker 3: not looking good at anything. I think you have to
24:41
Speaker 3: kind of get And maybe this was something that was
24:43
Speaker 3: good for me when I was a kid. My sister
24:45
Speaker 3: and I got into really different sports because she was
24:48
Speaker 3: just great at everything she did and so she like
24:51
Speaker 3: ended up competing to be in the Olympics for gymnastics,
24:54
Speaker 3: Like how the fuck do you.
24:55
Speaker 5: Like level up to that?
24:56
Speaker 2: Right?
24:56
Speaker 3: And she was like so compliant at school, and compliance
25:00
Speaker 3: is kind of like what's prioritized in school. If you're
25:03
Speaker 3: a compliant kid, the teachers love you. I was not compliant.
25:06
Speaker 3: I was talked a lot and asked a lot of
25:08
Speaker 3: questions and was kind of annoying.
25:09
Speaker 5: I think, and probably and probably have undiagnosed ADHD. So
25:13
Speaker 5: my teachers hated me.
25:15
Speaker 3: So I got into swimming and it was like that
25:17
Speaker 3: was something that I got to be good at that
25:18
Speaker 3: she wasn't and that she didn't do, And so it
25:21
Speaker 3: gave me a sense of at least I had something
25:23
Speaker 3: that was like, that's my thing and.
25:25
Speaker 1: That's what needs So pick something that the parents like
25:28
Speaker 1: to go to karate.
25:29
Speaker 5: We're gonna get lower into karate.
25:30
Speaker 2: Like the pub. She's really good at coming to the
25:36
Speaker 2: pub with me. Your oldest sister can't do that.
25:39
Speaker 5: Poppy loves Margarita. She's having a great time.
25:43
Speaker 1: She does like going out for dinner.
25:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's gonna always.
25:46
Speaker 1: Should we just go out for dinner?
25:48
Speaker 2: She's like, you're cooking, let's get out of here every morning?
25:51
Speaker 3: Should we grabu at breakfast today? Like she's such a
25:53
Speaker 3: social kid. But yes, karate, I'll enroll Ola happen.
25:59
Speaker 1: Sure the kimonos are too expensive.
26:02
Speaker 5: We've got three We've got three pounds to feed.
26:05
Speaker 1: Maybe you just don't have seafood Marinara once a week,
26:09
Speaker 1: Ash reckons if Marinata is a rich people's dish, are.
26:12
Speaker 5: We having it twice a week?
26:14
Speaker 2: When Laura's like, you can't go anyway, It's like, what's
26:19
Speaker 2: just sorry? Land animals not good enough for you?
26:23
Speaker 5: Like things from the sea.
26:24
Speaker 2: They see all the air, see your air? Thank you?
26:30
Speaker 3: Do you have on has such like beautiful blinky eyes?
26:34
Speaker 3: You don't eat those. It's all right to eat a prawn.
26:36
Speaker 2: They're delicious.
26:39
Speaker 5: And every vegan listener.
26:41
Speaker 1: A lot of parents with three kids have all said
26:43
Speaker 1: a similar thing in that it was an accident.
26:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, not a mistake, accident.
26:50
Speaker 2: This family viewed that would be the second.
26:54
Speaker 1: Talking about the hardest transition from zero to one, one
26:57
Speaker 1: to two, two, three, they say that the one twos
27:00
Speaker 1: is a tricky one and that two to three is
27:03
Speaker 1: not the hardest. What do you feel about that?
27:06
Speaker 3: One to two was one hundred percent my hardest? Yeah,
27:09
Speaker 3: I mean you were also on Dancing with the Start,
27:10
Speaker 3: so you were never home, so any chance I have
27:13
Speaker 3: to bring that up, but really, unbelievable, No, that was
27:17
Speaker 3: really the hardest.
27:18
Speaker 1: It was a great season though, it was.
27:19
Speaker 5: You were really good.
27:22
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wrestle, but hopefully Nana can come downstairs and
27:26
Speaker 3: watch one to two. I actually think that that question
27:29
Speaker 3: does not depend on the amount of kids that you're adding.
27:32
Speaker 3: And I say this now because of the experience of
27:33
Speaker 3: having three very different children. I think it depends on
27:37
Speaker 3: the temperament of the child and your anxious capacity, you know,
27:40
Speaker 3: like how much it.
27:40
Speaker 5: Stresses you out.
27:42
Speaker 3: Molly was like we always were like Molly's a unicorn,
27:45
Speaker 3: But now that I look back, I'm like, yeah she was.
27:47
Speaker 3: She was a really good baby, but she wasn't a
27:49
Speaker 3: unicorn baby.
27:50
Speaker 5: Like we still had to do.
27:51
Speaker 3: The rocking every night, like she was nine months old
27:53
Speaker 3: and we were still standing by her cot rocking for
27:55
Speaker 3: half an hour to get her to sleep and then
27:57
Speaker 3: doing that awkward transition. But she wasn't a big crime,
28:00
Speaker 3: so it was kind of easy.
28:01
Speaker 6: And they want to get your arm out, just the slide,
28:04
Speaker 6: like look at the Bengals and Laura, I'm take my
28:09
Speaker 6: jewelry off, like smacking the head.
28:13
Speaker 3: And then for us like obviously like having a tricky
28:15
Speaker 3: temperament because Lola had colic.
28:18
Speaker 5: Sorry I did just banger in the head. Then that
28:19
Speaker 5: was not intended.
28:20
Speaker 2: She just looks seems fine to me, kissing me Laura
28:24
Speaker 2: like that.
28:27
Speaker 1: Do I have to say that was Laura was kissing
28:29
Speaker 1: the baby.
28:29
Speaker 5: Just sorry I was kissing Poppy because she's let them
28:32
Speaker 5: think what they wanted.
28:34
Speaker 2: What was it saying?
28:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think for me one to two absolutely
28:38
Speaker 3: and for the exact reasons that we've talked about, and
28:40
Speaker 3: that was that it was really tricky with Lalla as
28:42
Speaker 3: a baby.
28:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like there was a stage there I
28:45
Speaker 4: didn't want a second because of all the number one Yeah,
28:48
Speaker 4: all the anxiety and the frustration and everything that came
28:51
Speaker 4: off the back of the first one. So I guess
28:53
Speaker 4: like it is going to depend on who you ask, Right,
28:55
Speaker 4: you can have someone to have five kids, and it's like,
28:57
Speaker 4: what like your.
28:58
Speaker 2: Mum who was the hard is the fifth level of
29:00
Speaker 2: a third one? It's always going to.
29:01
Speaker 3: Be different, right, And I can't say it enough like
29:03
Speaker 3: this has been for me the easiest transition, but it's
29:06
Speaker 3: because it comes with experience as well.
29:08
Speaker 5: Like I've now done it three times.
29:10
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what I was in for, I know
29:12
Speaker 3: what postpartum looks like, I know what I need for support.
29:16
Speaker 3: I know what to tell Matt that I need you know.
29:18
Speaker 3: Whereas like the first time round and even the second
29:20
Speaker 3: time round, because the second time round is such a
29:22
Speaker 3: new experience because you're trying to cater to another baby.
29:25
Speaker 3: And we had two babies. They were both in nappies,
29:27
Speaker 3: just with very different knees. Whereas this time.
29:29
Speaker 5: It's just so it has been so so different.
29:34
Speaker 1: What am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? Right? Now?
29:37
Speaker 5: You are very good this time around, like very Matt
29:43
Speaker 5: was No, this is jenuine.
29:45
Speaker 3: So Marley's had this like dance audition at school right
29:49
Speaker 3: to get into a dance group that's apparently.
29:51
Speaker 2: Selective and the new ages.
29:56
Speaker 3: And I didn't have the capacity to learn the dance
29:59
Speaker 3: and teach her the dance. It's right, So like we
30:00
Speaker 3: got given a video screening of it a teacher teaching
30:03
Speaker 3: the dance, and Matt learned the entire dance and taught
30:07
Speaker 3: it to her. So Matt and Mary have been in
30:08
Speaker 3: the kitchen every day doing the dance and learning the dance,
30:12
Speaker 3: and like that's.
30:13
Speaker 5: I get good content, great content I want to see.
30:17
Speaker 3: But it's it's like really that for me, And like
30:20
Speaker 3: how nice it is that she has a dad who
30:22
Speaker 3: doesn't even question like that he has to step up
30:25
Speaker 3: in those moments because she needs someone to do it
30:27
Speaker 3: and I can't physically teach her a dance at the moment.
30:29
Speaker 3: And I think things like rather than it being about
30:33
Speaker 3: like oh, you made the dinner or you did the washing,
30:35
Speaker 3: or it's more so being.
30:39
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it. Yeah, this would be good, come on.
30:45
Speaker 5: For me. It's a couple of things.
30:46
Speaker 3: So it's obviously the doing more around like for the
30:49
Speaker 3: other kids and like around the house and the organizing
30:51
Speaker 3: of everything. But also it's also like I need to
30:57
Speaker 3: be around people who are positive about stuff.
31:00
Speaker 5: Like so if Matt was like, well, this is really
31:02
Speaker 5: hard all the time, that would be really rubs off
31:05
Speaker 5: on you.
31:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's so positive, like, you know, even on
31:09
Speaker 3: the days I think you are yeah, which.
31:12
Speaker 2: Is also so I'm just getting the negative size.
31:15
Speaker 5: Make his life.
31:19
Speaker 3: No, I think you're really positive, and I think that
31:22
Speaker 3: like you are. You're so good with the kids. You're
31:25
Speaker 3: so positive with the kids, like you're You're the one,
31:28
Speaker 3: the first one that's like, all right, let's go, let's
31:29
Speaker 3: get out of the house, let's go to the park.
31:31
Speaker 3: Like I feel like, nothing feels like a big deal.
31:33
Speaker 3: And because it doesn't feel like it's a big deal
31:35
Speaker 3: to you, it doesn't feel heavy. So I'm able to
31:38
Speaker 3: kind of get on with life and do everything, and
31:41
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just feels.
31:41
Speaker 5: Fun still in the house. The house doesn't feel like
31:43
Speaker 5: a hard place to come.
31:45
Speaker 2: Home because I'm like, I just want to sit there
31:49
Speaker 2: all day.
31:50
Speaker 3: But like sometimes sometimes when you're in that newborn bubble,
31:53
Speaker 3: like kind of feels like the joy he's been sucked
31:55
Speaker 3: out of the house because everyone's so tired, right, and
31:58
Speaker 3: so you're just kind of like getting through.
32:00
Speaker 2: It's nice to have someone to go get up, get
32:02
Speaker 2: everyone up.
32:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like positive, let's go to that about of
32:06
Speaker 5: the day.
32:07
Speaker 3: And sometimes when you're not the person who can bring
32:09
Speaker 3: that kind of like ninety percent to the you know,
32:12
Speaker 3: like I'm I am tired, and there are days where
32:14
Speaker 3: I don't have that energy, and so you need the
32:16
Speaker 3: other person to be the person who sets the tone
32:19
Speaker 3: of like things are good, We're gonna do stuff, and
32:21
Speaker 3: life is great, you know, and if you don't want
32:23
Speaker 3: you that's fine. I'll go down the shops and get coffee.
32:25
Speaker 3: And like, Matt's a really good tone setter in the house.
32:28
Speaker 3: I think I don't know that, yeah you are.
32:31
Speaker 2: That's just very nice for it to say.
32:33
Speaker 1: Well, what can I be better at?
32:37
Speaker 4: Which why are you getting a list out of your pocket?
32:40
Speaker 3: I think the one thing that I struggle with sometimes
32:43
Speaker 3: is what I said at the start, not having any
32:45
Speaker 3: time when the baby's not on me and I have
32:48
Speaker 3: to do a lot of the stuff regardless with her
32:50
Speaker 3: on me. Like I'll cook dinner and she'll be strapped
32:52
Speaker 3: to me. Or I will go for a walk and
32:55
Speaker 3: that's my exercise, but she's strapped to me.
32:57
Speaker 1: I couldn't take her off.
32:59
Speaker 3: And so sometimes I have to hold it in when
33:02
Speaker 3: I'm a bit like you can do that with her
33:04
Speaker 3: in the carrier, you know. So like last night, Matt
33:06
Speaker 3: was like cooking steaks and he was like, oh, can
33:08
Speaker 3: you take her because I don't want any oil to
33:09
Speaker 3: splash on her. Totally reasonable, and I'm like, I cooked
33:12
Speaker 3: inners with her. Do you just put a muslin wrap?
33:14
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm not going to have that fight,
33:16
Speaker 3: but I'll have it now.
33:16
Speaker 5: So also, Laura, it's.
33:19
Speaker 2: Not a competition. I remember when I had the baby
33:22
Speaker 2: on me. I was so petrified all the time.
33:25
Speaker 5: Yes, and I starthing happening.
33:26
Speaker 4: And sometimes I would be like, finish my sausage roll
33:29
Speaker 4: and look down and be like, get rid of the
33:33
Speaker 4: flakes of pastry off my child, Like have a coffee.
33:37
Speaker 5: I'd be like, but you know what.
33:40
Speaker 3: It's such a double edged sword because if Matt was
33:44
Speaker 3: cooking steaks over the oven with spitting oil. I would
33:48
Speaker 3: be angry at him and be stressed out that he's
33:50
Speaker 3: going to hurt the baby. But then when he says, oh,
33:52
Speaker 3: can you take her because I've got to cook the steaks,
33:55
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I could cook the steaks, so like
33:57
Speaker 3: he can't win and I know that now, Whereas like
33:59
Speaker 3: if this was first round, kid, I would be irrationally mad.
34:03
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know that that's why I felt the way,
34:05
Speaker 3: but I would just feel all those feelings at once,
34:06
Speaker 3: Whereas now I'm like, Okay, Laura, you're going to take
34:09
Speaker 3: Bobby back, and you know that there is no situation
34:12
Speaker 3: in this where he can win, so don't pick a fart.
34:14
Speaker 3: The only thing that I think sometimes I would like
34:16
Speaker 3: love more of is to be able to be like,
34:18
Speaker 3: she's fed, take her. I'm leaving the house now, I'm
34:20
Speaker 3: going for a walk by myself without a child, fair
34:23
Speaker 3: you know like that. I think I would love to
34:25
Speaker 3: have like an hour to myself. But we are still
34:28
Speaker 3: seven weeks in. You know, it's such early days.
34:31
Speaker 2: There's got plenty of time to do that.
34:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can get your life back eventually, get it
34:34
Speaker 5: back goodlack.
34:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just remember when I did have a child
34:37
Speaker 4: on me, it felt like I was in the hot
34:39
Speaker 4: seat for something to happen.
34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
34:42
Speaker 3: But that's also how you feel as the mom because
34:44
Speaker 3: like we're like wired differently now, like we're wired to protect,
34:48
Speaker 3: and so whenever Matt has her for a prolonged period
34:51
Speaker 3: of time, I'm always like I'm going through the mental
34:54
Speaker 3: list of things that could go wrong, and I actually
34:56
Speaker 3: feel better when she's on me because I feel less anxious.
35:00
Speaker 3: So that's what I mean by like it's kind of
35:02
Speaker 3: a double edged sword because sometimes I'm like, I want
35:04
Speaker 3: you to take her, but then when he has her,
35:06
Speaker 3: I don't feel at ease because I don't have her
35:08
Speaker 3: on me, and I think, like that's all the hormones
35:11
Speaker 3: that we have to deal with, which is just so
35:13
Speaker 3: you know, conflicting all the time, but it's yeah, I
35:16
Speaker 3: think that third time round, I'm dealing with it a
35:18
Speaker 3: bit better.
35:18
Speaker 1: After the weekend where we were pretty much indoors the
35:21
Speaker 1: whole time. You do get a level of like anxiety
35:24
Speaker 1: and frustration though when you're holding Poppy because you've you've
35:27
Speaker 1: got her in your arms and you can still you
35:28
Speaker 1: can walk around, you can do things but you can't
35:31
Speaker 1: quite give attention to anything for more than like five
35:33
Speaker 1: or ten seconds because she gets upset. So it's really frustrating.
35:36
Speaker 1: You know, you can like have a bite of a sandwich,
35:38
Speaker 1: you can't write an email, you can't do what you
35:40
Speaker 1: want to do. So when you have her on you
35:42
Speaker 1: for like three hours, it's so nice. So then yeah,
35:45
Speaker 1: I have a break. And I think that's something I
35:47
Speaker 1: need to be more aware of, is how much time
35:49
Speaker 1: you have with her constantly latched onto you.
35:52
Speaker 3: And my situation is very different, Like I'm back at
35:55
Speaker 3: work at full capacity, so like I'm back recording podcasting,
35:59
Speaker 3: I'm back running tone you may, but I have to
36:01
Speaker 3: do all of my work with her on me. So
36:03
Speaker 3: when Matt's like, oh, can you hold her cause I
36:04
Speaker 3: got to write an email, I will stab you. I
36:09
Speaker 3: shouldn't say that that's very bad, but I like, this
36:11
Speaker 3: is one of those instincts, and that's really tricky because
36:14
Speaker 3: like that is not it's not normal to go back
36:16
Speaker 3: to work with the seven way cop baby.
36:18
Speaker 5: I do that to myself, So it's tough.
36:20
Speaker 3: Man, Like I and I know that obviously I'm the
36:22
Speaker 3: one in the hot seat, but interested to know, like
36:24
Speaker 3: how do you feel about adding the third, Like, what
36:26
Speaker 3: were your reservations and how is this leveled up in
36:29
Speaker 3: terms of what your expectations were.
36:32
Speaker 1: It's funny because I think the expectations that you have
36:34
Speaker 1: all of a sudden just become completely forgotten when you're
36:36
Speaker 1: in the trenches and you're like, oh, you know, you're
36:38
Speaker 1: trying to remember what life was like with just two kids,
36:41
Speaker 1: and that is really hard to have those flashback moments.
36:45
Speaker 1: It's all just like life now is just feels like
36:47
Speaker 1: it's forever been with three in the mix. I think
36:50
Speaker 1: I was nervous just about how we would adjust to
36:53
Speaker 1: juggling everything, but people are crazy in that you can
36:57
Speaker 1: put like another piece of the puzzle in the mix
36:59
Speaker 1: and you just it settles and you just find time.
37:02
Speaker 1: Like it's just I know, we've kind of made it work.
37:04
Speaker 1: I think coming off the back of that period of
37:06
Speaker 1: you know, Mum being sick and then taking on the pickup,
37:09
Speaker 1: which has just been an added bit of responsibility, and
37:13
Speaker 1: finishing the renovation as well, that's all kind of just
37:15
Speaker 1: it's all been this like bottleneck for the last couple
37:18
Speaker 1: of months. I think we're doing okay. I think part
37:20
Speaker 1: of the reason why we're doing okay. And I like,
37:23
Speaker 1: not just the Pasha ego because we're on the podcast,
37:25
Speaker 1: but I think there's lots of times where I think myself,
37:28
Speaker 1: holy fuck, Laura is doing so well. Like you know,
37:32
Speaker 1: with the nighttime feeds, you just take into being a
37:36
Speaker 1: parent like an absolute pro, like.
37:38
Speaker 2: I that time, no and I got a muscle memory.
37:43
Speaker 1: Don't tell you enough. I have those little three hour blocks,
37:46
Speaker 1: and three hours it's like two hours where I have
37:48
Speaker 1: Poppy on me and I'm thinking, oh god, I need
37:51
Speaker 1: a break, and then I have to remind myself that
37:53
Speaker 1: you're doing this every single day. So I'm in awe,
37:57
Speaker 1: like total awe of how well you're doing. And I
37:59
Speaker 1: think that that's why you talk about setting the tone.
38:01
Speaker 1: And I look at you as being someone who's kind
38:04
Speaker 1: of being like, this is great. We're going to enjoy
38:06
Speaker 1: this and it's going to be not easy, but we're
38:08
Speaker 1: going to get through it. And I look to you
38:10
Speaker 1: for how we attack each day tones.
38:13
Speaker 5: I think we both do it.
38:14
Speaker 3: I think we're also conscious, like we have such an
38:17
Speaker 3: ability to impact each other's mood around it, and like
38:21
Speaker 3: I think because I was so petrified that this was
38:24
Speaker 3: going to be awful. I really was scared, and I
38:27
Speaker 3: think I just had I just ruminated in my brain
38:31
Speaker 3: about it so much that I was like, you're going
38:33
Speaker 3: to be in the trenches.
38:34
Speaker 5: It's going to be so so hard.
38:36
Speaker 3: There's going to be zero joy, Like will your relationship
38:39
Speaker 3: even survive?
38:39
Speaker 4: I think.
38:40
Speaker 5: I don't know why. I don't know why I was so.
38:42
Speaker 3: Negative about it, but it took over my thoughts for
38:45
Speaker 3: a while. And so when she came out and I
38:47
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I do love you as
38:49
Speaker 3: much as I love my other kids, there was more
38:51
Speaker 3: space for more love. This is actually amazing, and there
38:55
Speaker 3: is like we still love each other and we can
38:57
Speaker 3: still have fun, and yeah we're tired and all that stuff.
39:00
Speaker 5: Like it's been so healing for me. I think in
39:02
Speaker 5: a lot of ways.
39:03
Speaker 1: Do you know what I think is a tough moment
39:04
Speaker 1: of the day. Well, I don't know if you feel
39:07
Speaker 1: the same way. Oh God, but I reckon You're.
39:09
Speaker 3: Like it's ten thirty at night when I'm like, hey,
39:12
Speaker 3: the doctor gave you the all clear, and I'm like
39:14
Speaker 3: I'm tired now.
39:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:17
Speaker 1: I think what is a hard moment of the day
39:20
Speaker 1: is we were in that muscle memory of once you
39:22
Speaker 1: get the kids, Miley and Lola down into bed and
39:25
Speaker 1: they're asleep, then we get time together. And at the moment,
39:29
Speaker 1: we're in a phase of we get them down and
39:32
Speaker 1: then we've got dinner to cook, we've got popping to
39:34
Speaker 1: job over. Yeah, that's it.
39:36
Speaker 3: Because newborn's got to sleep at nine o'clock. So we've
39:39
Speaker 3: got a seven, a nine, and an eleven. So there's
39:42
Speaker 3: just no time in between now.
39:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know that feeling you're saying, like, because
39:45
Speaker 4: obviously I'm in that position where it's like, once they're
39:48
Speaker 4: in bed, it's kind of like you finish your game
39:52
Speaker 4: of football, right, you finish, you finish your whole day
39:56
Speaker 4: of full time whistle, full full time whistle telling you're like,
39:59
Speaker 4: all right, it's time take boots, it's time to fill my.
40:02
Speaker 2: Cup up again.
40:03
Speaker 4: But then you're getting to the point now because you're
40:05
Speaker 4: so deep in the thick of it right now.
40:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not over. Yeah, you're like, good night, girls,
40:10
Speaker 2: love you.
40:11
Speaker 4: We've got a third quarter back to my night shift
40:13
Speaker 4: job now you know, your moonlighting a second job.
40:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gone into overs. I wonder if it's the
40:18
Speaker 3: same for you, Matt, Like I know you love her.
40:20
Speaker 3: I know that I'm not. I don't want to speak
40:22
Speaker 3: for you, but like I feel utterly obsessed with her,
40:25
Speaker 3: Like I am so in love with her, and I
40:28
Speaker 3: feel so deeply in love with her in the same
40:31
Speaker 3: way that I love my other kids. And I thought
40:32
Speaker 3: that that was going to take a while for that
40:34
Speaker 3: to develop, and I do reckon that a lot of
40:36
Speaker 3: it's hormones.
40:37
Speaker 5: But then they're just so fucking cute. Like everything she does,
40:39
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm looking at a smile.
40:41
Speaker 1: Look. He's like, watch her and I'm like five seconds
40:44
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yep, go that, and he's like, watch
40:46
Speaker 1: her for longer.
40:47
Speaker 2: That's a man's mentality, bro. Like I like, I need
40:50
Speaker 2: like tiny bits of cuteness and I'm like sick.
40:52
Speaker 3: I literally like gaze at her and he's like I've
40:54
Speaker 3: had enough, and I'm like staring into her eyes, kiss her,
40:56
Speaker 3: kiss her on the face.
40:57
Speaker 5: He's like, what are you doing, I've had my fix.
40:59
Speaker 5: I want to like climb inside her mouth. She's so
41:02
Speaker 5: cute that I can't.
41:04
Speaker 4: I'm finding for me that the older my kids get,
41:06
Speaker 4: the more cute I think they are.
41:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
41:09
Speaker 2: Like I was never a big baby guy.
41:11
Speaker 3: I read this once a dad talking about his experience
41:14
Speaker 3: of fatherhood, and he was like, I remember my son
41:17
Speaker 3: being born, and I didn't have the flood of love
41:20
Speaker 3: that everyone talks about, you know. And he's like, I
41:22
Speaker 3: really walked out of the hospital thinking, fuck, we've ruined
41:24
Speaker 3: our life. Which is a very extreme reaction to.
41:28
Speaker 2: That.
41:29
Speaker 4: Was that was my first experience as being a dad.
41:32
Speaker 4: And I openly said it before on podcasts and wherever
41:35
Speaker 4: else I've said it. There was a stage there I
41:37
Speaker 4: hated him.
41:38
Speaker 5: Wow.
41:39
Speaker 3: He just felt like to us, yes, yes, and this
41:43
Speaker 3: is exactly what this was.
41:44
Speaker 5: You know this right up.
41:45
Speaker 3: And he said, but I fell in love with my
41:47
Speaker 3: children when I got to know them. He's like, as
41:49
Speaker 3: I got to know my kids, my my love for
41:51
Speaker 3: them grew in a way that I wasn't expecting.
41:53
Speaker 5: I fell in love with my children.
41:55
Speaker 1: And I feel that as a dad.
41:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't feel that as a mom. Like
41:59
Speaker 3: as a mom, I don't think I necessarily had like
42:02
Speaker 3: the flood the very I think I kind of was.
42:04
Speaker 3: I was like deer in the headlights the very first time,
42:06
Speaker 3: but the love came super quick, whereas this time there
42:09
Speaker 3: was no.
42:10
Speaker 5: Deer in the headlights.
42:11
Speaker 3: I was just like, ah, straight away coming is mother
42:14
Speaker 3: that weird mucus stuff all over me.
42:16
Speaker 5: Okay, it's so bad.
42:17
Speaker 4: And that also comes down to your muscle memory too
42:19
Speaker 4: about your parent because at the first time, everyone's like shit,
42:22
Speaker 4: the first initial like I was like stun Yeah, the
42:25
Speaker 4: first initial thing.
42:26
Speaker 2: Is like what do I I remember when?
42:28
Speaker 4: Obviously it was an emergency C section and I had
42:31
Speaker 4: oscar while April was getting looked after, and I was like,
42:34
Speaker 4: at one point I was like.
42:36
Speaker 2: What am I fucking doing it? And then my mother
42:39
Speaker 2: in law.
42:40
Speaker 4: Walks in and I was like, please just have this
42:42
Speaker 4: child because I don't know. I was just in shock really,
42:46
Speaker 4: and then yeah, like like Matt was saying, as well,
42:48
Speaker 4: it wasn't I wasn't in love with this kid immediately,
42:51
Speaker 4: like yes, it was a nightmare. But like as they're
42:53
Speaker 4: getting older, I'm finding that I'm way more in love
42:57
Speaker 4: with them as I'm getting to know them, way more
43:00
Speaker 4: like Macie, Like all of a sudden, she's hit four
43:02
Speaker 4: last week and she's like a little girl.
43:04
Speaker 1: It's sending me photos of she's the cureest fucking care.
43:07
Speaker 3: There might be like there'll definitely be people who relate
43:11
Speaker 3: to this and have had those feelings, and then there'll
43:14
Speaker 3: be people who had this such instant love that they
43:18
Speaker 3: can't even fathom it being the opposite. And I think
43:21
Speaker 3: when you've experienced the opposite, if you're in it, that's
43:25
Speaker 3: a very frightening feeling of like, oh my god.
43:28
Speaker 5: This is not what I expected. But there's something.
43:30
Speaker 3: And I think it's really braver of you to share
43:32
Speaker 3: that ash because it's it's not what people are expected
43:35
Speaker 3: to say about parenting, and I think that there's something
43:38
Speaker 3: really healing for those who have experienced it to know, oh, Okay,
43:41
Speaker 3: well I'm not broken and like it's going to get better,
43:44
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't stay in this version of like stress forever.
43:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, you grow out of it.
43:49
Speaker 1: This actually leads me to my next question, what is
43:52
Speaker 1: your favorite age so far?
43:53
Speaker 5: I don't have a favorite age. No, I don't have
43:55
Speaker 5: a favorite age.
43:56
Speaker 3: I love the kids at every age and every age
43:58
Speaker 3: I think it's my favorite age until the next age
43:59
Speaker 3: comes up, like right now, I would say newborn four
44:02
Speaker 3: and six.
44:03
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite family member?
44:06
Speaker 5: Buster?
44:07
Speaker 6: No?
44:08
Speaker 2: Favorite child?
44:09
Speaker 5: Yeah? Buster, No, I don't have a favorite You can't
44:13
Speaker 5: have a favorite child. It's not real.
44:15
Speaker 3: You have different times today.
44:19
Speaker 2: But also you have favorite things you like about each
44:22
Speaker 2: of them. You know what I mean?
44:23
Speaker 3: Our kids are so different, Each one of them is
44:25
Speaker 3: so different, and I'm just obsessed with all of them.
44:27
Speaker 1: When it comes to the responsibilities that you and I
44:30
Speaker 1: take on, how have we gotten to where we are?
44:33
Speaker 5: How do you answer this one?
44:34
Speaker 2: What is the question?
44:35
Speaker 5: I'm confused?
44:36
Speaker 1: How have we gotten to the point?
44:39
Speaker 5: Sorry is the question? How did we get.
44:41
Speaker 1: How have we gotten to this? How? How have we
44:49
Speaker 1: gotten to the point now? Currently in terms of who
44:52
Speaker 1: does what with responsibilities and of parenting.
44:55
Speaker 3: I'm with you now, I'm with you, I'm with you,
44:56
Speaker 3: with you, it evolves, and it constantly evolves because when
44:59
Speaker 3: the kid for little and when they're newborns and babies,
45:02
Speaker 3: I'm doing the line share. There is no argument there,
45:05
Speaker 3: like I am doing ninety nine point nine percent for Poppy,
45:08
Speaker 3: and then that means that you've picked up mornings for
45:11
Speaker 3: the kids, but you haven't always done mornings for the kids.
45:13
Speaker 5: My work got busier, so I needed to be.
45:16
Speaker 3: So I think it's just a constant it's a constant conversation,
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Speaker 3: and you know, on the times when I.
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Speaker 5: Need more help.
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Speaker 3: And therefore, Matt needs to do more of X or
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Speaker 3: Y with the kids, and then vice versa. We got
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Speaker 3: to fill the holes where the holes need to be filled.
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Speaker 3: How would you describe that? I do think it's always
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Speaker 3: changing though.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the admin guy, so a lot
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Speaker 1: of the admin stuff I just have. It's kind of
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Speaker 1: fallen into my lap.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're good at it, this.
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Speaker 5: Is one of our things we argue about.
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Speaker 4: You are I know, I'm not surprised over here again.
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Speaker 3: But it depends on the admin, right, So admin that
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Speaker 3: Matt never had to even look at was all the
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Speaker 3: admin I had to do for a newborn baby.
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Speaker 5: It didn't even know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the book, hospitals book, every OB's appointment. There was
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Speaker 3: so much ADMIN that it was in charge of the assurance.
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Speaker 3: Well they didn't get happened. There is so much admin
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Speaker 3: that goes into having a baby and the lee one
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Speaker 3: baby and registering the baby and doing all of the
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Speaker 3: vaxes and everything else. Like I have done every single
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Speaker 3: step of this admin and so therefore I'm like, you
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Speaker 3: can register the car, I've got to register a baby.
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Speaker 3: So like I do think that you know as much
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Speaker 3: as you have picked up a lot of the life
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Speaker 3: and house admin. In the last nine months, I feel
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Speaker 3: like I've been doing a shit ton of admin just
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Speaker 3: having a baby, for sure, And.
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Speaker 1: I feel like as you've been pulled into more and
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Speaker 1: more work, kind of just been pulled into more and
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Speaker 1: more of the responsibilities with the girls.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, in different ways.
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Speaker 4: But then like it could change, like next next week,
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Speaker 4: it could change. Like that's the thing when you say
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Speaker 4: it evolves, Like there could be something else that your
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Speaker 4: attention needs to go off to do something, and then
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Speaker 4: you'll pick up something that he's had to put down.
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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, All Stars.
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Speaker 5: Dancing with the Stars.
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Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, you know, you went and did
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Speaker 3: I'm a celebrity for six weeks this year and I
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Speaker 3: did one hundred percent of everything. So I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: ebbs and flows, Its what's happening in each other's lives.
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Speaker 2: Poppy Pearl, Where did that come from?
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Speaker 5: I just liked the name Poppy.
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Speaker 3: We were throwing names around and it was one that
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Speaker 3: like stuck to the wall that we both liked. And
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Speaker 3: then Pearl is my dad's. So every middle name that
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Speaker 3: we have for our kids.
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Speaker 5: Is like a family name.
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Speaker 3: So Ellis is from Matt's mum May is from my
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Speaker 3: grandparents on my mom's side, and Pearl is my dad's.
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Speaker 5: Mom's name, but she died when he was really little.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I messaged him and I was like, would
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Speaker 3: you be okay if we use the name Pearl, And
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Speaker 3: he was really stoked about it. He messaged his brother,
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Speaker 3: who is his only still living brother, and I think
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Speaker 3: it was a really nice, like sentimental moment for them
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Speaker 3: that Pearl still exists in the family.
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Speaker 1: And I really like alliteration.
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Speaker 5: Poppy Pearl, Molly May.
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Speaker 2: Is that what that is? Poppy Pearl?
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Speaker 1: Laura, you've been fantastic. You've been a great guest.
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Speaker 2: Did they allow to here.
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Speaker 5: Much? I owe you for this therapy session.
47:54
Speaker 2: Oh look you're probably having a baby. You've hit the
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Speaker 2: medicator limit, so you'll get it all bad.
47:59
Speaker 5: So I get a rebate.
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Speaker 2: Okay, oh you'll get the get like.
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Speaker 1: Has been great.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she is a star, Like she's a class act
48:07
Speaker 3: when it comes to podcasting.
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Speaker 1: You've got to get out of here. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for jumping on the podcast. It is just a
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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on here. Poppy, big big one.
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Speaker 5: She's just saying thank you.
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Speaker 1: She's like, thank you. If you want to ask people
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Speaker 1: to maybe review first.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks sharing.
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Speaker 4: To cut that out.
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