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7/17/26: Trump's Wild Elections Speech, Tucker Praises Democrats On Israel Vote, Embarrassing Biden Book Tour · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: Hello, it is Friday, July seventeenth, here at Breaking Points Fridays.
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Speaker 3: Uh oh, it's me and Emily. Emily, how are you.
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Speaker 4: Goovn You're doing the Sager thing where you scream at
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Speaker 4: the beginning of the show, which the people love, so
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Speaker 4: if it's.
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Speaker 5: Working, go for it.
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Speaker 3: I was screaming all last night at the TV when
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Speaker 3: we're watching that beautiful, that beautiful Trump speech. Sorry, the
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Speaker 3: rest of the Friday host they had a Taco Bell
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Speaker 3: party without us, and so it's just us here today.
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Speaker 5: Be much more likely to be the other way around
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Speaker 5: to be fair.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what, we're more Del Taco, aren't we.
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Speaker 3: We're Del Taco conservatives. So you know, never once have
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Speaker 3: I had Del Taco. I'm ashamed to say, wow, tried
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Speaker 3: their cheeseburger. But anyways, we've got quite a that's my
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Speaker 3: order at Del Taco. We've got quite a show today.
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Speaker 3: Setting aside the fast food anomalies, Trump gave a riveting
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Speaker 3: speech that saved democracy in the nation. We're going to
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Speaker 3: get into that with Shelby Talcott from Semaphore in just
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Speaker 3: a minute. We also have some high tea testosterone directives
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Speaker 3: from Pete Hegseth. Got some more strikes in Iran with
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Speaker 3: the US and Iran trading strikes over control of the Strait,
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Speaker 3: and what else do we have? Oh, we might get
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Speaker 3: into a little bit of Biden towards the end. But wow, Emily,
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Speaker 3: we stayed up last night to cover Trump's big speech.
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Speaker 3: His big announcement, which essentially correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 3: was that the election was stolen by in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: by China.
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Speaker 5: Well he was a little more.
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Speaker 4: For example, in playbook this morning, you could sense Politico's playbook.
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Speaker 4: You could sense his aids breathing a sigh of relief
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Speaker 4: because they didn't know how much he would be riffing
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Speaker 4: and how much he would stick to the carefully constructed script.
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Speaker 5: And Shelby can tell us more about this, but.
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Speaker 4: I think it was probably restrained, a restrained version of Trump,
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Speaker 4: still though, arguing there was a vast international conspiracy to
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Speaker 4: tamper with American elections starting in twenty twenty. He talks
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Speaker 4: about how Maduro sought to change vote vote tallies in Venezuela.
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Speaker 5: That was one of his big points. It was not
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Speaker 5: about the United States.
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Speaker 4: It was supposed to kind of augment his point about
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Speaker 4: how these electronic voting machines can be tampered with, and
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Speaker 4: his argument was that Maduro had tried to do it.
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Speaker 4: His argument then was also that China had tried to
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Speaker 4: interfere on behalf of Joe Biden in twenty twenty, and
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Speaker 4: that the FBI slow walked by the way, if they
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Speaker 4: were doing that in twenty twenty, it would have been
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Speaker 4: under Donald Trump's first administration, But anyway, that the FBI
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Speaker 4: slow walked an investigation into Michigan Democrats trying to have
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Speaker 4: some type of voter interference scheme, he said the CIA,
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Speaker 4: or he said the deep state tried to cover up
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Speaker 4: China's election interference, and immediately dumped a bunch of documents.
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Speaker 5: Like Griffin, I went.
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Speaker 4: To the White House website as the speech was happening,
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Speaker 4: and there were zip files on the website. They created
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Speaker 4: a website for the speech, and there were four points,
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Speaker 4: and every single one of them came with its own
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Speaker 4: zip batch of documents which people have been piecing through.
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Speaker 4: Some are rather amusing, some are a bit more serious.
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Speaker 4: But he's trying to create this idea that there is
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Speaker 4: some vast international conspiracy that the American deep state and
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Speaker 4: the media is in on to hurt him at the
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Speaker 4: ballot box, and that elections are insecure. And he did
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Speaker 4: a big plug for the Save America Act, of course,
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Speaker 4: at the end of the speech. So my read on
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Speaker 4: it is that just politically, you have a president who
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Speaker 4: is his frustration is clearly boiling over and Griffin. On
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Speaker 4: a production level, you rarely see such an l from Trump,
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Speaker 4: like the staging was off. And why am I mentioning that,
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Speaker 4: because again, I think it just speaks to him being
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Speaker 4: beyond frustrated and starting to spiral a bit like inflation
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Speaker 4: is really stubborn because of the Iran War in some
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Speaker 4: sense because of the Iran War. Obviously, the Iran War
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Speaker 4: has been intractable for him, stubborn, dare is say, And
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Speaker 4: his numbers are showing it, and clearly he's frustrated. Plus
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Speaker 4: he can't get Congress to pass his signature piece of legislation,
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Speaker 4: so it felt like he was frustrated. You joked before
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Speaker 4: we came on air that it was it was giving
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Speaker 4: Joe Brandon.
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Speaker 3: It was in real time, Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 5: It was giving Brandon a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Like the lighting was really harsh, the mic was so hot,
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Speaker 4: like it made him sound really hoarse, and it made
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Speaker 4: him sound just weird. And the stage was off kilter,
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Speaker 4: like you had this gold curtain covering most of the backdrop.
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Speaker 4: Yet you can see it here, it's not in this clip.
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Speaker 4: I think Fox zoomed in on the shot. I was
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Speaker 4: watching it on the White House feed, and the White
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Speaker 4: House feed you you got the white wall behind it,
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Speaker 4: so it was off center.
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Speaker 5: Oh so, anyway, let's tick a list here.
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Speaker 3: That's probably the biggest crime YEP.
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Speaker 6: And these government strategy against the United States was focused
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Speaker 6: on undermining domestic confidence in the US president. They wanted
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Speaker 6: to just make you sound like your president wasn't so hot. Actually,
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Speaker 6: your president has done a great job, and they did
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Speaker 6: everything possible to do exactly that.
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Speaker 3: China was trying to make him not hot when he
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Speaker 3: is very much hot. Yeah, this was so boring, I
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Speaker 3: have to say, just incredibly boring. And you know, you
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Speaker 3: went to the website. I went to the website when
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Speaker 3: he'd ound it, and it was very Obamacare because it
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Speaker 3: said temporarily shut down. The website was not active when
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Speaker 3: he first mentioned it. He mentioned quite a few websites too. Actually,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, we're supposed to go to a website and
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Speaker 3: learn it all. And I guess we'll get in more
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Speaker 3: to this with Shelby. But I didn't see anything in
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Speaker 3: these documents that actually ascertained his claims at all.
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Speaker 4: Did you my quick Well, so my quick read on
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Speaker 4: it is that there's probably a kernel truth in a
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Speaker 4: couple of things, like, for example, we do know that
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Speaker 4: from Peter Struck to whomever else, there were people inside
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Speaker 4: of the FBI and the CIA, like the CIA was
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Speaker 4: organizing signatures for that fifty one former intelligence agent's letter
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Speaker 4: that got leaked to Natasha bertrand dot Politico saying the
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Speaker 4: Hunterrebreddon laptop was fake. So obviously there were people who
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Speaker 4: were using their like intel positions to undermine Trump, and
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Speaker 4: that happened during his first presidency. So it wouldn't be
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Speaker 4: insane to me if the Presidential Daily Briefing memos that
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Speaker 4: he released, which are highly redacted, so I don't think
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Speaker 4: they're conclusive at all, But if those were reflective of
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Speaker 4: some real effort to keep intel about Chinese election interference
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Speaker 4: away from him, okay, wouldn't surprise me if that had happened,
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Speaker 4: And it also wouldn't surprise me, like the stuff about
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Speaker 4: the Michigan voter registration thing wouldn't surprise me. We saw
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Speaker 4: that happening in weird ways in twenty twenty across the country,
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Speaker 4: but that doesn't amount to a vast international conspiracy to
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Speaker 4: install Joe Biden into office. So the scale and scope
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Speaker 4: of it, I think are the big question, is what
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Speaker 4: I would say. So I think we should bring in
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Speaker 4: Shelby to tell us how people inside of the White
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Speaker 4: House are reacting to this.
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Speaker 5: Shall we talk out of semaphore? It joins us.
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Speaker 4: Now, thank you Shelby for being here and for staying
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Speaker 4: up late to cover the speech last night, so that
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Speaker 4: you could cover it, of course for.
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Speaker 5: Your own publication, but also here on breaking.
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Speaker 7: Points more importantly for breaking points.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, sorry, Ben, But let's get into the reaction
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Speaker 4: I've seen so far, some of the kind of Beltway
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Speaker 4: rags as we call them in the biz, Shelby saying
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Speaker 4: that the White House is breathing a little bit of
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Speaker 4: a sigh of relief right now because people didn't know
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Speaker 4: to what extent Trump would be riffing in his big
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Speaker 4: primetime address last night.
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Speaker 5: It looks like he's stuck pretty closely to the script.
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Speaker 5: But I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Can you give us what you're hearing from your sources
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Speaker 4: about what the expectation for the speech was, and then
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Speaker 4: the reaction to the reality.
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Speaker 8: So Republicans writ large, I think we're really nervous ahead
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Speaker 8: of this speech because, as we know, the President has
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Speaker 8: been focused for years on the twenty twenty election. We're
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Speaker 8: getting into the midterms. There was a real concern that
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Speaker 8: if the President came up last night and said the
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty election was stolen, YadA, YadA, YadA, that that was.
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Speaker 7: Going to really set them back.
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Speaker 8: And so I actually think for a lot of Republican lawmaker,
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Speaker 8: this speech could have gone a lot worse. He did
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Speaker 8: really stick to the script, you know. John Solomon told
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Speaker 8: reporters afterwards at the White House that every single word
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Speaker 8: of this was reviewed by the CIA, So the administration
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Speaker 8: was taking sort of the legal aspect of this, I
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Speaker 8: think pretty seriously. And it's notable that the President didn't
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Speaker 8: go off script, because I mean, this is maybe the
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Speaker 8: first the third time ever of it he has stayed
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Speaker 8: on script, and so that's really unusual and I think
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Speaker 8: speaks to just kind of how focused the administration was
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Speaker 8: on what they can say and what they can't say.
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Speaker 3: So what were the big takeaways? Because from my layman's experience,
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Speaker 3: it seemed like he was insisting that China in some
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Speaker 3: way affected the twenty twenty election. But then the documents
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Speaker 3: revealed on the website, according to multiple alets, don't really
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Speaker 3: say that. What do these documents posted on the website
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Speaker 3: actually say.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, So there were several documents, and I think the
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Speaker 8: big takeaway for me is that, you know, when you
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Speaker 8: heard the president's speech, he was sort of I think
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Speaker 8: insinuating a lot more than the actual documents say. So
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Speaker 8: the documents do do note this sort of push from China, but.
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Speaker 7: We've also known that for a really long time.
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Speaker 8: The administration knew that during the first term, like that
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Speaker 8: wasn't necessarily new, and they didn't go so far as
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Speaker 8: to say China did affect the twenty twenty election, right.
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Speaker 8: And then there was the Venezuela aspect, which I thought
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Speaker 8: was really interesting, where the President was talking about this
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Speaker 8: alleged plot by the Maduro regime to influence Venezuelan elections
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Speaker 8: and the Trump administration believes that that has sort of
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Speaker 8: vulnerabilities for the US elections. But again, the actual documents
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Speaker 8: that the administration posted don't necessarily back that up.
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Speaker 7: They don't go as far as the president was going.
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Speaker 8: And so for me, the takeaway was that the president
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Speaker 8: sees a lot of these documents as sort of proof
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Speaker 8: of his twenty twenty stolen election claims, but the actual
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Speaker 8: documents don't go as far as the president is going.
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Speaker 8: But what I also thought was really interesting from the
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Speaker 8: actual speech is we've heard Trump directly say the twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty election was stolen, et cetera four years now, and
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Speaker 8: I thought he was much more couched in his analysis,
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Speaker 8: and you could see how the administration was trying to
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Speaker 8: frame this as this is all about looking forward, this
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Speaker 8: is all about election integrity, even as all the documents
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Speaker 8: that were being released we're talking about past elections.
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Speaker 3: And specifically on that timeline. Emily before we I just
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Speaker 3: have one more follow up on this. So China, according
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Speaker 3: to Trump, not these documents, China steals the election in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. But then now that they've accessed and are
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Speaker 3: successfully hacking our elections and they allowed Biden to win,
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Speaker 3: So what is the But then they allowed Trump to
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Speaker 3: win again in twenty twenty four, So what's the logic there?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 8: I think that that's an example of sort of the
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Speaker 8: president looking at maybe one specific aspect and coming to
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Speaker 8: a conclusion that the documents don't necessarily conclude, and then
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Speaker 8: kind of just ignoring the rest in his mind, you
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Speaker 8: know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that does appear like what it's looking like
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Speaker 4: to me so far as is a question of scale
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Speaker 4: that he wants to allege. There's this vast international conspiracy
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Speaker 4: and what the document show is probably some modest attempts
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Speaker 4: that aren't entirely surprising to the intelligence world. And there's
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Speaker 4: this DHS review we should talk about as well. Trump
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Speaker 4: says his Department of Homeland Security did a big review
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Speaker 4: of voter registration rules and found I think it was
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Speaker 4: like two hundred and seventy eight thousand non citizens had
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Speaker 4: been registered to vote in California, New Jersey, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 5: The states are already pushing back on that.
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Speaker 4: But Griffin, I want to see if we could just
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Speaker 4: roll some tape here, a couple of the clips, let's
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Speaker 4: go with.
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Speaker 5: Let's go with the Vote's clip here.
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Speaker 6: Put together, these disclosers reveal an election system so broken
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Speaker 6: and so vulnerable that no one can possibly defend it.
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Speaker 5: It is not defensible, Okay.
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Speaker 4: And let's also, then, Griffin, play the Venezuela clip, just
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Speaker 4: so folks get a taste of what was happening.
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Speaker 5: At one point, Shlby, he blamed, the media will get it.
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Speaker 6: People question whether it could actually be possible to electronically
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Speaker 6: manipulate vote totals or change election results on these terrible machines.
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Speaker 6: Today we are releasing documents that show the CIA obtained
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Speaker 6: reporting of a specific plot to do a big number
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Speaker 6: in favor of the corrupt Maduro regime in Venezuela. And
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Speaker 6: that's exactly what happened, conspiring to digitally rig their own countries'
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Speaker 6: elections in twenty twenty, and that's.
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Speaker 3: What they did.
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Speaker 6: This reporting included precise details about methods to regime develop
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Speaker 6: to digitally alter vote totals and ways that could not
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Speaker 6: be detected even with an audit.
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Speaker 3: No matter how deep they went.
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Speaker 6: This intelligence underscores why we must take urgent action to
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Speaker 6: ensure that our own system can never ever be hacked
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Speaker 6: or compromised like it was in the past. The fourth
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Speaker 6: set of doctors.
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Speaker 4: So that's really interesting the way he finished the last
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Speaker 4: point there shell be because it's obviously giving Rudy Giuliani
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Speaker 4: and Sidney Powell, but he's very much different. He's much
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Speaker 4: more restrained obviously than they were. But in this big
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Speaker 4: speech he's talking about I mean, I think he might
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Speaker 4: have even started with this point about how it was
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Speaker 4: proven by Maduro allegedly that you could tap into the
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Speaker 4: electronic voting machines, which is that he was changing the
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Speaker 4: MAMDUA was trying to change vote tallies electronically, and Trump
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Speaker 4: at the very end there said it's been proven that
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Speaker 4: it can happen, and then he very carefully says, you know,
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Speaker 4: we know our elections have been corrupted, So is this
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Speaker 4: an effort to kind of walk the line between the
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty wildness and what our intelligence actually shows. Is
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Speaker 4: any of this from Maduro possibly now that he's been
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Speaker 4: imprisoned in the Southern District of New York, there have
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Speaker 4: been conversations about or Delsa Rodriguez obviously, who is now
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Speaker 4: basically the being told what to do by Secretary of
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Speaker 4: Rubio per reporting like that's a that seemed like maybe
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Speaker 4: the riskiest part of the speech.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think that this is my understanding, is
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Speaker 8: that this came from sort of a CIA discovery, not
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Speaker 8: necessarily as trum Madurero himself post arrest. Of course, I'm
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Speaker 8: sure that they're talking to Maduro and maybe we'll learn more,
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Speaker 8: and I'm sure that they have asked him about this
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Speaker 8: because Trump is so focused on it. But I did
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Speaker 8: think that that length which that he used was really interesting,
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Speaker 8: and I think it just goes back to my earlier
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Speaker 8: point of this was.
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Speaker 7: A very carefully reviewed speech.
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Speaker 8: And I remember talking to Trump administration officials when they
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Speaker 8: were on the campaign trail, and they were a lot
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Speaker 8: of them sort of understood that they weren't going to
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Speaker 8: be able to get Trump to stop focusing on the
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty election, but hoped that he would. And so
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Speaker 8: there has been sort of this year's long acknowledgment among
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Speaker 8: at least some of the administration officials that this is
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Speaker 8: not necessarily the best thing for the president to focus on,
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Speaker 8: but we can't get him to not focus on it,
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Speaker 8: so let's try to figure out a way to work
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Speaker 8: around it. And I think this is sort of the
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Speaker 8: first time that you're seeing that they've actually been able
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Speaker 8: to get him to kind of walk around the twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty stolen election claims instead of, you know, hurtling straight
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Speaker 8: through it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's kind of like a participation trophy that
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Speaker 3: he's getting here. That's nice. He'll also talk about the
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Speaker 3: Save Act? Can we ask can we talk about the
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Speaker 3: Save Act for a second here? He mentioned that quite
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Speaker 3: a few times, and you know, that's to you know,
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Speaker 3: secure our elections ahead of the midterms. But kind of
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Speaker 3: feels like the midterms are already here, that if they
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Speaker 3: even passed this Save Act, it would probably not be
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Speaker 3: implemented in time for the midterms. How is he thinking
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Speaker 3: about all of that, and our Republicans like hoping that
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Speaker 3: he also kind of drops that, and what's the popularity
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Speaker 3: amongst the GOP in terms of this Save Act.
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Speaker 8: Republicans are past the point I think of hoping that
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Speaker 8: he's going to drop it, because he very clearly isn't.
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Speaker 7: And this for people.
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Speaker 8: Who don't know, The Save Act has been a focus
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Speaker 8: of the presidents for a few months now, and he's
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Speaker 8: actually held up other legislation, bipartisan legislation, in order to
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Speaker 8: try to get it passed. And so this is something
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Speaker 8: that he has been sort of acutely, acutely focused on,
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Speaker 8: regardless of the fact that lawmakers have come to him
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Speaker 8: and said, we don't have the votes to be able
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Speaker 8: to do this. And so ostensibly I think that this
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Speaker 8: speech was an effort to get Republicans to pass the
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Speaker 8: Save Act, because the president's thinking was, I'm going to
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Speaker 8: present all of this evidence to show that our elections
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Speaker 8: allegedly aren't secure enough, and that will change some of
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Speaker 8: these lawmakers' minds, and then this piece of legislation that I.
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Speaker 7: Want will get past.
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Speaker 8: That was sort of the whole background reasoning behind this
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Speaker 8: primetime address.
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Speaker 7: I don't know that it's going to work right.
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Speaker 8: We talked to a lot of Republicans beforehand, we talked
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Speaker 8: to republicans afterwards. I think people are pretty set in
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Speaker 8: their beliefs at this point about the Save Act, and
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Speaker 8: there's no path right now to breaking a filibuster in
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Speaker 8: the Senate either, which the President has called for.
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Speaker 4: Well and Shelby, I'm sure you saw this Daily Call
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Speaker 4: report at the time that John Throun, in a closed
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Speaker 4: door meeting of Senate Republicans basically said in multiple sources
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Speaker 4: that there are some senators who just hate Trump so
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Speaker 4: much that they will refuse to support to Save America Act.
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Speaker 4: And the reason I put this up on the screen
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Speaker 4: is that I'm curious for your take on the genesis
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Speaker 4: of this speech, Like, is this something that is rooted
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Speaker 4: in Trump's frustrations with Senate Republicans about the Save Act?
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Speaker 4: Is this him genuinely concerned about the midterm elections, which
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Speaker 4: he's also said he doesn't care about and he's not
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Speaker 4: on the ballot, So is this him trying to claw
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Speaker 4: his way out of where the numbers have gone over
19:33
Speaker 4: the course of the Iran war. Gas price is still
19:35
Speaker 4: hanging pretty high, could go higher because the MoU blew up, basically, like.
19:41
Speaker 5: What was this coming from.
19:43
Speaker 4: Why did this have to happen last night, Why did
19:45
Speaker 4: he decide to make it a primetime address? What was
19:48
Speaker 4: the thinking as best as you can tell, behind it.
19:51
Speaker 8: So the big reason why it's happening now, I will say,
19:55
Speaker 8: is because the President appointed Acting Director of National Intelligence
19:59
Speaker 8: Bill a few weeks ago, and one of his directives
20:03
Speaker 8: from the President.
20:04
Speaker 7: Was, I want you to go in there.
20:05
Speaker 8: I want you to declassify all of this stuff from
20:09
Speaker 8: past elections regarding election integrity. And so that was a
20:14
Speaker 8: direct directive for Bill Poulty, and so he went in
20:17
Speaker 8: and on day one started trying to do that.
20:19
Speaker 7: And so that's I think the timeline.
20:22
Speaker 8: Wise why you're seeing it all of a sudden, sort
20:24
Speaker 8: of seemingly randomly come up. But I also think that
20:29
Speaker 8: the president thinking on this is he wants to pass
20:32
Speaker 8: the Save America Act first and foremost, and I think
20:35
Speaker 8: it's less about the midterms, which he has grown to
20:39
Speaker 8: care about more than he did a few months ago,
20:44
Speaker 8: and more about his focus.
20:47
Speaker 7: His continued focus on the twenty twenty election.
20:53
Speaker 3: Interesting what signals that he is caring more about the
20:58
Speaker 3: mid terms now? I mean he's been quite rambunctious with
21:02
Speaker 3: this Iran war and that that seems to not be
21:05
Speaker 3: going well, the economy, gas prices. What was the moment
21:09
Speaker 3: that signaled to you that he's actually cared or worried
21:12
Speaker 3: about the midterms.
21:13
Speaker 8: Now, I get that sense from people who are close
21:16
Speaker 8: to him inside and outside the administration, who have admitted
21:19
Speaker 8: to me in prior months that he is not as
21:22
Speaker 8: focused as they would like him to be on the midterms.
21:25
Speaker 8: And so they have argued that they've seen a little
21:29
Speaker 8: bit of a shift, And I say a little bit.
21:30
Speaker 8: It's not like he is that is the only focus
21:34
Speaker 8: focused on right He's still very much focused on his legacy.
21:37
Speaker 8: He's still very much focused on foreign policy, despite lawmakers
21:40
Speaker 8: urging him to just ignore all of that and talk
21:43
Speaker 8: about the economy and try to get gas prices down.
21:46
Speaker 8: But I think that they have They sense that over
21:51
Speaker 8: the past few months he's had some wins and that
21:54
Speaker 8: has gotten him more interested in the midterms than he
21:59
Speaker 8: was prior. I think originally his thinking was, and he
22:03
Speaker 8: said this out loud, was well, you know, every time
22:06
Speaker 8: if a Republican is in office, we do poorly in
22:09
Speaker 8: the midterms. Democrat is in office, they do poorly in
22:11
Speaker 8: the midterms, so he was kind of like, what's the point?
22:15
Speaker 8: And I think that the advisors close to him who
22:17
Speaker 8: care really a lot about the midterms have been able
22:20
Speaker 8: to convince him at least a little bit that it
22:24
Speaker 8: is actually important.
22:26
Speaker 4: And Shelby, finally he implicated NBC and I think ABC
22:29
Speaker 4: News in some plot and threatened to revoke their licenses,
22:33
Speaker 4: or at least he said they should have their licenses,
22:36
Speaker 4: because they did at one point and right at one point,
22:39
Speaker 4: by the way, or I should say overall, it did
22:41
Speaker 4: seem like the speech was a bit low energy, and
22:44
Speaker 4: it did feel kind of off kilter for a man
22:48
Speaker 4: like Trump that, like love him or hate him, his
22:50
Speaker 4: skill is television. He schedules his primetime address, and it
22:53
Speaker 4: just felt weird for Trump, but that we shouldn't downplay.
22:57
Speaker 4: I guess the severity of what he was alleging and
23:00
Speaker 4: the directions he did go in at certain points talking
23:03
Speaker 4: about potentially revoking media licenses. It's the threat that he's
23:05
Speaker 4: made over the last ten years. But Shelby, why are
23:09
Speaker 4: you complicit in this? And why do you hate America?
23:12
Speaker 3: You know, right? Question?
23:14
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm trying to get out of here.
23:17
Speaker 5: L this Y, No, we will not do that.
23:22
Speaker 4: But how serious was that moment and is that also
23:25
Speaker 4: reflecting anything? I guess it's probably not new. He's been
23:28
Speaker 4: doing this over the last ten years, but I don't know.
23:30
Speaker 4: To me, he just seemed really frustrated, more so than
23:34
Speaker 4: usual in that speech lesson.
23:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not new, but also this term you have
23:38
Speaker 8: seen him actually act on some of these threats against
23:42
Speaker 8: media companies and against media individuals. So I would take
23:45
Speaker 8: it pretty seriously because this is something that he has
23:48
Speaker 8: grown increasingly frustrated about. As much as he has this
23:52
Speaker 8: sort of relationship with the press where he'll answer our
23:54
Speaker 8: calls and he'll you know, attacker reporter and then talk
23:59
Speaker 8: to them in private and act like nothing's wrong, he
24:04
Speaker 8: has grown really really frustrated overall with the media.
24:09
Speaker 7: And you've seen that.
24:10
Speaker 8: You've seen that in how he has directed the DOJ
24:13
Speaker 8: to go after reporters. You've seen that in the way
24:15
Speaker 8: that Brendan Carr is operating on that side of things.
24:20
Speaker 8: And so I would take that threat seriously. And I
24:24
Speaker 8: do think that there is a growing frustration from him
24:28
Speaker 8: because he feels like nobody is taking these claims seriously.
24:34
Speaker 8: That really, he's one of the only people that is
24:37
Speaker 8: still focused on it.
24:39
Speaker 3: Well, so it's very lonely at the top. And I'm
24:42
Speaker 3: speaking of media companies not taking it seriously. Box News
24:45
Speaker 3: was very very careful in their reporting of this speech.
24:49
Speaker 3: I think they're still feeling the sting of the dominion lawsuits,
24:53
Speaker 3: you know. I think they hear election integrity and they
24:55
Speaker 3: feel trauma, trauma triggers from that. So Box News, I
25:00
Speaker 3: don't know if you've caught any of their coverage, but
25:02
Speaker 3: they were very very careful to say that even they
25:05
Speaker 3: cannot confirm any of the allegations in the speech or
25:08
Speaker 3: reaction to.
25:09
Speaker 8: That, it doesn't surprise me after the lawsuit, and I
25:15
Speaker 8: think that's the reason why a lot of the networks
25:18
Speaker 8: were reluctant to air it live, because you knew that
25:20
Speaker 8: it was going to be about elections, and you just
25:24
Speaker 8: don't know what the president is going to say, and
25:26
Speaker 8: he does have a track record of saying things that
25:29
Speaker 8: aren't backed up by the information that we have, and
25:34
Speaker 8: so I think a lot of the networks took this
25:36
Speaker 8: as a precaution. I'm sure that they talked to their
25:39
Speaker 8: lawyers who said, listen, this is just not worth. It
25:42
Speaker 8: will air portions of it after the fact, we'll talk
25:44
Speaker 8: about it, et cetera. But Fox is in an interesting position,
25:48
Speaker 8: right because they are a conservative leading news outlet that
25:52
Speaker 8: the president watches a lot.
25:54
Speaker 7: But I thought it was really.
25:56
Speaker 8: Telling that they were so careful in how they were
26:00
Speaker 8: describing his allegations and noting that they were not able
26:05
Speaker 8: to independently verify it.
26:07
Speaker 7: That is that came straight from the lawyers, I'm sure.
26:10
Speaker 3: And finally meant, oh, sorry, go for it.
26:13
Speaker 5: Go for it, Griffin.
26:14
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say. Emily also mentioned that he
26:17
Speaker 3: was off kilter, but that's because he didn't have his
26:19
Speaker 3: favorite teleprompter operator.
26:22
Speaker 5: Noah, Yeah, possibly, this is what I was gonna say.
26:25
Speaker 5: I I'm finiking a new guy.
26:28
Speaker 7: That it will go for a time.
26:30
Speaker 4: So, so this teleprompter operator who has now been implicated
26:33
Speaker 4: in a Calshi trading situation and they're trying to maybe
26:38
Speaker 4: get like a settlement where he just says he won't
26:40
Speaker 4: do it again and pays restitution.
26:41
Speaker 5: He'd been with Trump for what ten years, Shelby.
26:44
Speaker 4: So you can you can tell us now he had
26:46
Speaker 4: a new guy doing the prompter last night.
26:48
Speaker 8: Yeah, So Caroline Levitt confirmed that the individual who was
26:53
Speaker 8: the subject of this investigation, who was placing bets, and
26:58
Speaker 8: I think he got like a hund one thousand dollars,
27:01
Speaker 8: which I don't know if that's worth ruining your entire
27:06
Speaker 8: life over.
27:07
Speaker 7: That's the question for another day.
27:09
Speaker 8: She confirmed that he is on unpaid administrative leaves and
27:13
Speaker 8: so he was not operating the teleprompter last night.
27:17
Speaker 4: Well, the clips that we've shown so far, this has
27:19
Speaker 4: absolutely nothing to do with anything. But the clips that
27:22
Speaker 4: we shown so far were zoomed in by the networks.
27:24
Speaker 4: I think we were showing Fox clips and what you
27:26
Speaker 4: saw on the White House feed was different.
27:28
Speaker 5: It was completely off center.
27:30
Speaker 4: And it's got to be nice at the end, Yes,
27:33
Speaker 4: and Shelby, It's just again, it's a small thing.
27:35
Speaker 5: It means absolutely nothing.
27:36
Speaker 3: You care.
27:39
Speaker 4: I'm just saying for Trump, that's weird, Like he never
27:42
Speaker 4: lets that stuff happens.
27:44
Speaker 8: It is really interesting because, as we all know, Trump
27:47
Speaker 8: is a performer at heart. He did television for years,
27:52
Speaker 8: and over the years people have talked about how obsessed
27:56
Speaker 8: he is with how things look. If he talks about
28:00
Speaker 8: his administration officials being out of central casting, he likes
28:05
Speaker 8: how people look. He will sit down before an interview,
28:09
Speaker 8: and there's clips of him out there. There'll be there'll
28:12
Speaker 8: be a water next to him, and he'll say, no, no,
28:14
Speaker 8: let's put this on this side. And then he'll say, okay,
28:16
Speaker 8: let's move it back.
28:18
Speaker 4: He knows down to the lighting like he actually will
28:20
Speaker 4: control the lighting. He'll say the lighting should be like this,
28:23
Speaker 4: let like and you should have it on this number
28:25
Speaker 4: this warmth, Like he actually is that detailed us.
28:27
Speaker 8: He saw him at the recent he recently was interviewed
28:31
Speaker 8: by NBC and it was like downpouring rain and whatever
28:33
Speaker 8: structure they were in I think was like entirely metal,
28:36
Speaker 8: and he was so frustrated.
28:39
Speaker 7: By the noise of the rain he ended the interview.
28:44
Speaker 8: And I think that was part of the reason why
28:46
Speaker 8: was because there were like all these technical logistical issues
28:49
Speaker 8: and for him that like doesn't compute and vascinating.
28:54
Speaker 3: This teleprompter guy he went down for like making like
28:58
Speaker 3: one hundred grand, which I shouldn't be a lot more
29:01
Speaker 3: than that. If you're know the worst coming up like
29:05
Speaker 3: these are somehow very conservative bets to me. You know,
29:07
Speaker 3: I think if the speeches are going to continue to
29:10
Speaker 3: be this boring and lethargic, bring that guy back. Let's
29:13
Speaker 3: get the old guy back in there. Okay, let's have
29:15
Speaker 3: some fun. Let's have some fun. Shall be any final thoughts?
29:20
Speaker 3: That's it for me, all right, thanks for joining us.
29:24
Speaker 3: Where can people find your work? Obviously semaphore and where
29:27
Speaker 3: can people find you online?
29:29
Speaker 8: I am on X I still almost said Twitter at
29:32
Speaker 8: Shelby Talcott and then I post on my Instagram, which
29:37
Speaker 8: is just sb Talcott.
29:40
Speaker 3: Very nice. Everyone one of the best follow Shelby and uh,
29:44
Speaker 3: we'll of course see you soon for potentially more election
29:49
Speaker 3: integrity or whatever else happens this year with the midterms.
29:53
Speaker 3: Thank you, We'll see you soon. Thanks well. One Tucker
29:59
Speaker 3: Carlson was not impressed with the speech. Maybe this was
30:03
Speaker 3: taped before the speech, but one Tucker Carlson went on
30:06
Speaker 3: a podcast and said, God, bless the Democrats. Let's take
30:11
Speaker 3: a list.
30:11
Speaker 9: I'm so thankful and we were saved by the Democrats.
30:15
Speaker 9: Don't often say that, but it's true in this case.
30:17
Speaker 9: Ten years from now, no member of Congress is going
30:20
Speaker 9: to vote to appropriate money to the IDF because by
30:23
Speaker 9: that point we'll know exactly what they did in Gauza.
30:25
Speaker 9: What they're trying to do is codify this and take
30:28
Speaker 9: that decision from a public democratic form, the Congress, the
30:31
Speaker 9: lawmaking body, and move it to the Pentagon Procurement Office,
30:34
Speaker 9: which is totally opaque.
30:36
Speaker 3: Right.
30:36
Speaker 9: So, and that's why bbe' is like, oh, you know, really,
30:38
Speaker 9: we think we should get off.
30:39
Speaker 3: Us military aid.
30:40
Speaker 9: No, you're trying to make it permanent in a way
30:43
Speaker 9: people won't proceed. With O'Connor, for example, we don't agree
30:46
Speaker 9: on much, but we strongly agree on this. Well, I'm
30:50
Speaker 9: still an outlier on the right and you guys are too.
30:53
Speaker 9: But on the left, I know from going through airports
30:57
Speaker 9: two days ago there this is a huge issue on
31:00
Speaker 9: the left, and God blessed them for making it that
31:03
Speaker 9: against the wishes of their leaders. By the way, Chuck
31:05
Speaker 9: Schumer doesn't want to talk about this, but a lot
31:07
Speaker 9: of Democratic voters do. And I just think representatives watching
31:14
Speaker 9: those three races in New York City, those primaries where
31:17
Speaker 9: Mandannie got behind three Democratic Socialists and they all.
31:20
Speaker 3: Beat incumbents, like, wow, how'd that happen? Israel? That's how
31:23
Speaker 3: it happened.
31:24
Speaker 4: So that was him on with the American Conservative definitely taped,
31:28
Speaker 4: not with the speech, but that was him on with
31:31
Speaker 4: Harry Berger American conservative guys.
31:33
Speaker 5: They have a podcast and Griffin.
31:35
Speaker 3: The conservative guy's last name is Berger. That's awesome.
31:39
Speaker 5: He's Glenn's old producer.
31:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, he probably wouldn't call himself conservative, but he does
31:44
Speaker 4: work attack anyway. So that's Tucker saying actually something that
31:49
Speaker 4: reminds me of when he apologized Griffin for supporting Trump
31:53
Speaker 4: after the Around War was launched. It saying that he
31:56
Speaker 4: regrets it and has guilt over it. So not entirely surprising,
32:01
Speaker 4: but probably we'll send Tucker into another controversy, spy a
32:05
Speaker 4: spiral on the right for saying, God bless the Democrats.
32:08
Speaker 4: But you know, meanwhile, let's actually just talk a bit
32:12
Speaker 4: about developments in the Iran War because right now as
32:15
Speaker 4: we're recording this, uh the According to CBS News, Iran's
32:19
Speaker 4: Revolutionary Guard claimed a new series of strikes targeting US
32:22
Speaker 4: military facilities across the Middle East on Friday.
32:26
Speaker 5: I'll just put it up on the screen.
32:29
Speaker 4: They say that spaces on Syria, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain, and
32:32
Speaker 4: Jordan and Syria. They claim to have sent quote large
32:35
Speaker 4: numbers of criminal American forces to their deads. We don't
32:38
Speaker 4: have any updates about that so far. On Friday, from
32:41
Speaker 4: the American military ship crews are on the strade of
32:44
Speaker 4: horror moves, CBS says are unwilling to make the risky
32:47
Speaker 4: trips to the strade of Hormus because of the breakdown
32:48
Speaker 4: of the ceasefire.
32:50
Speaker 5: They said they've gone back.
32:51
Speaker 4: This is they're quoting the CEO of a Greek maritime
32:54
Speaker 4: risk management company who said, quote, we've gone back to
32:57
Speaker 4: the worst case scenario.
33:00
Speaker 5: Is willing to move.
33:02
Speaker 4: The US military said it completed a six consecutive night
33:06
Speaker 4: of strike's early Friday, hitting quote dozens of Iranian military targets.
33:10
Speaker 4: So again, Griffin, if you're Tucker Carlson, you probably do
33:13
Speaker 4: have a lot of.
33:14
Speaker 5: Guilt at this point.
33:15
Speaker 4: This is the one thing you had been advocating over
33:17
Speaker 4: and over again against. And then even when some people
33:21
Speaker 4: on the right thought Trump had struck what felt like
33:23
Speaker 4: a durable MoU with the Iranians, it pretty quickly fell
33:28
Speaker 4: back into the escalation trap territory.
33:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean Tucker is reacting to this vote
33:36
Speaker 3: to fund aid to Israel that the largest amount of
33:40
Speaker 3: Democrats ever voted against, even people that you know, people
33:46
Speaker 3: like Rep. Adam Smith, Who are you know about Zionists
33:51
Speaker 3: who now see the writing on the wall. Now it
33:55
Speaker 3: still did pass, but I mean it was a sea
33:57
Speaker 3: change to see people like Pelosi even see where the
34:01
Speaker 3: winds are blowing, which I think makes you know if Pelosi,
34:04
Speaker 3: who is you know, on her way out, can see
34:07
Speaker 3: where the wind's blowing. But we still have people like
34:10
Speaker 3: a King, jeffries and Chuck Schumer, the people that are
34:12
Speaker 3: supposed to be like around for longer, They're still going
34:16
Speaker 3: to die on this hill. I think is quite stunning,
34:20
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. What is Catherine Clark.
34:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kevin Clark is the number two Democrat in the
34:26
Speaker 4: House of Representatives, not somebody seen as like a squad
34:30
Speaker 4: adjacent person in any way whatsoever. So to see that
34:35
Speaker 4: the number two House Democrat wouldn't even go along with
34:38
Speaker 4: Jeffries on that is really powerful. And to Tucker's point,
34:42
Speaker 4: he said he discovered this in an airport, I think
34:45
Speaker 4: he probably knew this long before. But Griffin, this has become,
34:48
Speaker 4: and you know this the animating force behind the twenty
34:51
Speaker 4: twenty six primary season for Democrats.
34:54
Speaker 5: It is where the energy is.
34:56
Speaker 4: It is the central litmus test for Democratic candidates, even
35:00
Speaker 4: to the point where candidates who in the case of
35:03
Speaker 4: Scott Wiener simply didn't say they believe it was a
35:06
Speaker 4: genocide quickly enough, are getting shouted out of a Pride parade,
35:11
Speaker 4: Pride event because again, like he was just too late
35:14
Speaker 4: to it.
35:15
Speaker 5: That's how central of a litmus test it is.
35:17
Speaker 4: And for Hakim Jefferies to not pick up on that,
35:21
Speaker 4: to still vote the way that he did, I don't know,
35:23
Speaker 4: maybe he's just trying to run out the clock.
35:25
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
35:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like, you know, I think the lines
35:30
Speaker 3: that I hear from the more centrist liberals is just
35:35
Speaker 3: like why is everyone still talking about Israel? Like why
35:38
Speaker 3: can't we care about this or that? And it's like, well,
35:40
Speaker 3: they're dumping like forty million dollars into races across the country,
35:45
Speaker 3: Like it's they have made it impossible to ignore. I
35:50
Speaker 3: would love to have to get to stop talking about
35:54
Speaker 3: Israel and APAC. You know, we have to talk about
35:56
Speaker 3: it every week because they are central players, not only
36:00
Speaker 3: in the war that was started that's raising all the
36:03
Speaker 3: prices in our economy, but in our basic democratic process
36:08
Speaker 3: all across the country. So you know, we would love
36:11
Speaker 3: it to stop talking about them. But there's also this question,
36:15
Speaker 3: you know, like where does like in your opinion, Emily,
36:18
Speaker 3: like Tucker's where's Tucker's like base operate? Because if you
36:22
Speaker 3: look at like MAGA base polling on the they still
36:25
Speaker 3: support the war. So is is Tucker's audience now MAGA
36:31
Speaker 3: Is it just young barstool conservatives and then some like
36:36
Speaker 3: disaffected Democrats. You know, I know that Jank Yuger at
36:41
Speaker 3: the TYT has been trying to make this sort of
36:44
Speaker 3: this MAGA left alliance or what have you. But it
36:48
Speaker 3: really seems like, based on this vote that just occurred
36:52
Speaker 3: that now Tucker is saying, God bless them for that.
36:56
Speaker 3: The real route to checking Israel is not with the
36:59
Speaker 3: report publican party. It's with the Democratic.
37:01
Speaker 5: Part at least for now.
37:05
Speaker 4: I mean, that's one thing Republicans are underestimating is how
37:08
Speaker 4: much the public opinion has shifted, particularly with Republicans under
37:12
Speaker 4: the age of thirty. So that doesn't necessarily mean there's
37:15
Speaker 4: a change coming imminently. It just means that their position
37:18
Speaker 4: is probably unsustainable depending on again, like we're in the
37:21
Speaker 4: middle of Ron is claiming that they killed a bunch
37:24
Speaker 4: of American soldiers and our military is denying that today.
37:28
Speaker 5: But if that happens, this into the future.
37:31
Speaker 4: It's clearly not going to be a viable position for Republicans.
37:37
Speaker 4: But the question is there's still plenty of boomers voting Republican.
37:41
Speaker 4: It's not as polarized with gen X Republicans. The question
37:44
Speaker 4: is what happens when does it become When do millennials
37:47
Speaker 4: and Z voters hit critical mass in the Republican voting block.
37:51
Speaker 5: So I get that.
37:53
Speaker 4: So I think for now it clearly is from the Democrats.
37:56
Speaker 4: And you have people like Thomas Massey, who are you know,
38:00
Speaker 4: as he talked about on breaking Points this week with Rocana,
38:03
Speaker 4: trying to buck the trend a bit, But they're still
38:05
Speaker 4: in the minority. And that's where I think Tucker's audience,
38:07
Speaker 4: to get back to your question comes from. Is Yes,
38:11
Speaker 4: MAGA is overwhelmingly still behind Trump on the Iran War.
38:14
Speaker 4: MAGA is favorable towards Israel, but there has been some
38:19
Speaker 4: peeling away of people from MAGA. It's not a lot,
38:22
Speaker 4: it's a slim minority. Those are the people I think
38:25
Speaker 4: that are listening to Tucker. Along with the record number
38:27
Speaker 4: of Americans who identify as independent that we've seen.
38:30
Speaker 5: I think it was Gallop that had that polling.
38:32
Speaker 4: So I think it's people who are more and more
38:34
Speaker 4: identifying not even as Democrats or Republicans, but as independents.
38:37
Speaker 4: And then also the people who peeled away from MAGA
38:40
Speaker 4: because they thought the one thing Trump would never do
38:43
Speaker 4: is stirt war in Iran, which I think it's doesn't
38:46
Speaker 4: make a lot of sense to think Trump would not
38:48
Speaker 4: start a war in Iran. But here he was last
38:51
Speaker 4: night talking about how we are winning big in Iran.
38:55
Speaker 6: We are likewise winning big in Iran, and you will
38:58
Speaker 6: see the fruits of that labor very very shortly. America
39:03
Speaker 6: is back and doing really well.
39:06
Speaker 3: We're back and doing really well, and I did meanwhile,
39:09
Speaker 3: I wanted a flag. There's been some dust ups with
39:13
Speaker 3: lots of boats in the straight. US Central Command posted
39:18
Speaker 3: that American forces have redirect three commercial vessels trying to
39:22
Speaker 3: run the blockade, disabled one that didn't comply, and boarded
39:25
Speaker 3: one to ensure full compliance. And I think they have
39:30
Speaker 3: some images here that they threw up of boarding ships.
39:34
Speaker 3: And I do think that this did spook the Iranians
39:38
Speaker 3: a little bit because they're one, for lack of a
39:41
Speaker 3: better word, Trump card is control of this straight and
39:45
Speaker 3: it does seem like as we are resuming hostilities, that
39:48
Speaker 3: we're trying to make a bigger show that we are
39:51
Speaker 3: controlling the straight and taking away that card from the Iranians,
39:55
Speaker 3: which I think means that the Iranians have said they're
39:58
Speaker 3: going to have to escalate. It does feel to me
40:02
Speaker 3: like the Iranians are really scared of sort of a
40:05
Speaker 3: like a like a media story of them actually blowing
40:09
Speaker 3: up like big commercial ships. They've kind of pulled back
40:13
Speaker 3: and like restrained themselves from a big slide show of
40:16
Speaker 3: images where they seem like the bad guys where they're
40:19
Speaker 3: where they're taking down a bunch of ships in the Strait.
40:22
Speaker 3: But it does seem like with efforts like this that
40:24
Speaker 3: they're going to have to potentially do that. What do
40:26
Speaker 3: you make of that, Moy That's.
40:28
Speaker 4: An interesting point because obviously Trump is at a hard
40:30
Speaker 4: time rallying like the international community around the Iran Warren.
40:34
Speaker 4: I think it's not necessarily because you know, some of
40:37
Speaker 4: some American allies wouldn't support, especially like more neo conservative
40:44
Speaker 4: folks in those governments wouldn't support a robust military action
40:48
Speaker 4: against Iran. It's probably just because of the way Trump
40:50
Speaker 4: has executed it. Even the fact that we're talking about
40:52
Speaker 4: the Strait of Hormoz right now shows why some of
40:55
Speaker 4: those allies probably have not rallied around Trump. It's just
40:59
Speaker 4: that wore Mouse was open and the traffic was flowing freely.
41:02
Speaker 4: I mean, the prices in other countries are way more
41:05
Speaker 4: dramatic if you think that they've been bad here. In
41:07
Speaker 4: places like Australia, they're dealing with this on another level entirely,
41:12
Speaker 4: and they have been over the course of the war.
41:16
Speaker 5: So I could see.
41:18
Speaker 4: How Iran wouldn't necessarily want to give members of the
41:22
Speaker 4: international community, who might be American allies, reason to change
41:27
Speaker 4: the way they see the war and to maybe be
41:30
Speaker 4: more supportive. So it could be coming from something like that.
41:33
Speaker 4: But I also think it's worth noting this is Senator
41:36
Speaker 4: Tommy Taberville who was on I think this is Newsmax
41:41
Speaker 4: recently saying this is just in the last twenty four
41:44
Speaker 4: hours quote. I'm all for President Trump and what he does.
41:47
Speaker 4: He knows a lot more about it than we do.
41:48
Speaker 4: I don't think we would put ground troops in Iran now.
41:50
Speaker 4: Ground troops on carg Island is different because it is
41:53
Speaker 4: a way from mainland Iran, and I have seen more
41:56
Speaker 4: of a drum beat Griffin towards potential action on carg
42:00
Speaker 4: Island just in the last couple of days. So that's
42:04
Speaker 4: leaves us back in the escalation trap territory. And even
42:07
Speaker 4: the fact that this is the straight of hor Moves,
42:10
Speaker 4: which was open, I just like, it's so ridiculous to
42:15
Speaker 4: even be talking about it, because it's not him saying
42:18
Speaker 4: we are winning big in Iran. It makes literally no
42:24
Speaker 4: sense whatsoever because by that standard, we had won so
42:28
Speaker 4: resoundingly before the war, because the war moves was open
42:32
Speaker 4: and ships were flowing freely through it.
42:35
Speaker 3: I am fully tired of the winning here. And it
42:39
Speaker 3: does seem like we are in that escalation trap, in
42:42
Speaker 3: that loop. Trump has mentioned We've done forever wars in
42:46
Speaker 3: the past. Vietnam took nineteen years, you know, all round Afghanistan.
42:50
Speaker 3: But you know, Vietnam was not able to halt the
42:53
Speaker 3: global economy, which which then you know, it questions whether
42:58
Speaker 3: like can actually go on forever. I mean, we could
43:01
Speaker 3: do it for a little bit stop refuel again, I guess,
43:05
Speaker 3: but it does seem to be just structurally so different
43:10
Speaker 3: that I don't think we can continue this and continue
43:14
Speaker 3: to put these strains on the economy with any kind
43:17
Speaker 3: of political future for the Republicans, well, I.
43:20
Speaker 5: Just don't think the American people.
43:21
Speaker 4: I mean, Vietnam was so different because most of the
43:24
Speaker 4: public was bought into this idea for a long time
43:27
Speaker 4: until we lost so many people in that war. The
43:30
Speaker 4: public was nuclear warfare was fresh on everybody's mind, literally
43:35
Speaker 4: people diving under desks to do nuclear drills, and the
43:39
Speaker 4: public was much more brought into this idea that the
43:41
Speaker 4: Soviet Union and containment or let's just say the Soviet
43:45
Speaker 4: Union was a really serious foil to the Western system
43:49
Speaker 4: and you had that buy in for containment type policies
43:52
Speaker 4: and things like the war in Vietnam, where people were
43:55
Speaker 4: genuinely afraid that there was a serious, kinetic, constant threat
43:59
Speaker 4: of nuclear retaliation from the Soviet Union and like a
44:03
Speaker 4: mass casualty, potentially apocalyptic event at any given moment. And
44:09
Speaker 4: there's nothing like that right now from people related to
44:12
Speaker 4: a run which doesn't even unlike the Soviet Union at
44:14
Speaker 4: the time, does not have nuclear weapons, and so that's
44:19
Speaker 4: it's much higher harder for the president to if he's
44:22
Speaker 4: looking back at Vietnam for the politics of this, which
44:25
Speaker 4: some conservatives do, because they look at how Nixon handled it.
44:27
Speaker 4: Now there's a big Nixon renaissance on the right, and say,
44:31
Speaker 4: you know, you had the silent majority, you have the
44:35
Speaker 4: hippie backlash and all those sorts of things. It's not
44:38
Speaker 4: even close in terms of the politics though, Like it's
44:41
Speaker 4: not at all in anywhere near what that was. So
44:44
Speaker 4: if Trump is looking back on Vietnam as like an
44:47
Speaker 4: constructive parallel for a potential long conflict with Iran.
44:52
Speaker 5: Good luck.
44:55
Speaker 3: So thankfully we have a new strategic solution to change
45:01
Speaker 3: the momentum of the war because it seems like too
45:04
Speaker 3: many of our soldiers are low te Now I've been
45:07
Speaker 3: saying this for a long time, Emily, every day I'm
45:10
Speaker 3: really happy that the Secretary of War Pete Hegseith came
45:13
Speaker 3: out and he's changing all that.
45:15
Speaker 10: At the Department of War, we have the most elite
45:17
Speaker 10: warriors on the face of the earth. Every single day,
45:21
Speaker 10: you are pushed to your absolute physical and mental limits
45:25
Speaker 10: to master the freaking points and you can hand your
45:29
Speaker 10: all and you give it. But while we invest heavily
45:33
Speaker 10: in our weapons systems, platforms and gear, our most decisive
45:37
Speaker 10: tactical advantage will always be the individual war fire.
45:42
Speaker 3: We have a sacred duty.
45:43
Speaker 10: To maintain that advantage, which is why we must constantly
45:46
Speaker 10: look for new ways to optimize your performance, your resilience,
45:51
Speaker 10: and your long term.
45:52
Speaker 3: Health and to meet that commitment.
45:54
Speaker 10: Today, I'm authorizing a new screening program for testosterone deficiency
46:00
Speaker 10: for our service members, ensuring you have the right testosterone
46:04
Speaker 10: levels to operate at your absolute best, because it's well
46:08
Speaker 10: established science that as we age, testosterone levels often naturally drop.
46:15
Speaker 10: Under the supervision of our world class medical professionals, war
46:18
Speaker 10: fighters age thirty and older are going to be tested
46:22
Speaker 10: annually as part of their periodic health assessment. It's a
46:25
Speaker 10: health assessment that happens every year. We're just adding this test.
46:29
Speaker 10: Those under thirty can voluntarily choose to get the test
46:32
Speaker 10: as well.
46:33
Speaker 3: Okay, good, it is recommended.
46:36
Speaker 10: It's entirely your choice to receive testosterone replacement therapy.
46:41
Speaker 3: All right, So we're going to get everyone on testosterone.
46:45
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that, moy?
46:47
Speaker 5: Is this a breaking points policy?
46:49
Speaker 4: Will this also be implemented for our teams that we
46:53
Speaker 4: can also operate.
46:54
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that the women.
46:56
Speaker 4: I don't want to single out any sex, but so
47:00
Speaker 4: that the maybe the men on the show could operate
47:02
Speaker 4: at their highest level.
47:04
Speaker 3: I've been giving the men estrogen, which I which I thought,
47:07
Speaker 3: you know what would help you know Ryan's coffee I have.
47:13
Speaker 3: I have Sager specialty brand of coffee or whatever. You know.
47:18
Speaker 3: This also leads I think we're probably all for this.
47:21
Speaker 4: By the way, I wish Saga were here because he
47:22
Speaker 4: would probably fully endorse this from sectary heg seth.
47:26
Speaker 3: Yes, everyone should get a tatosterone and a pack is
47:29
Speaker 3: in which I'm sure they already already have. Now this
47:33
Speaker 3: kind of also leads to a flyover that occurred that
47:37
Speaker 3: was getting some uh some comments. Have you seen this
47:41
Speaker 3: fly over? Emily?
47:48
Speaker 5: So it was July. I think I saw this if you're.
47:52
Speaker 3: Just listening to the podcast, We've got a US Navy
47:57
Speaker 3: jet fighter flying feet uh above a beach of onlookers
48:02
Speaker 3: here that maybe this was the first guy to get
48:07
Speaker 3: on some tea here. He was just.
48:10
Speaker 4: High t flying. Well, actually, Griffin, this reminded me go ahead.
48:14
Speaker 3: Are you are you? Are you a fan of this?
48:16
Speaker 3: Are you does this? Is this patriotic? Uh near near
48:21
Speaker 3: collisions with with crowds of people. I gotta still image here.
48:24
Speaker 3: I also want to pull up while you react to it.
48:26
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, let's let's that's incredible. I mean, listen, that's
48:29
Speaker 4: impressive flying. It's a dangerous that's impressive flying. Yeah, you know,
48:34
Speaker 4: the flyowers just don't really ever do it for me.
48:37
Speaker 5: I think it's a meal versus female thing. Probably.
48:40
Speaker 4: I know, men get really excited about the planes going fast.
48:46
Speaker 3: I love it, and I want to. I want to
48:48
Speaker 3: one up it. I want to say, you know, let's all,
48:50
Speaker 3: let's let's let's not just flyovers. I want to do driveovers.
48:53
Speaker 3: I want to lay down in the street and have
48:55
Speaker 3: the tanks roll over me. You know, I want to.
48:57
Speaker 3: I want to.
48:58
Speaker 5: I would like that.
49:00
Speaker 4: Well, on a serious note, did you catch the point
49:03
Speaker 4: where he's talking about as you age or just ostering
49:05
Speaker 4: goes down. It reminded me of people probably remember back
49:08
Speaker 4: in March the Army and looking at an ABC news
49:11
Speaker 4: headline quote extends maximum recruitment age to forty two, allowing
49:15
Speaker 4: older recruits to join. So might actually be reacting to
49:21
Speaker 4: the fact that for in order to meet recruitment targets.
49:26
Speaker 5: I would imagine that's why they extended the age.
49:29
Speaker 4: It does make I don't want to mock it too much,
49:31
Speaker 4: So that's a jump from thirty five years old to
49:33
Speaker 4: forty two. That happened during two thousand and six, that
49:37
Speaker 4: was the Iraq War. But then they brought it back
49:41
Speaker 4: down to thirty five. According to this ABC News report,
49:45
Speaker 4: Marines capped at twenty eight.
49:48
Speaker 5: I think, listen, it doesn't.
49:49
Speaker 4: It's not entirely crazy, as people are just like maximizing longevity,
49:55
Speaker 4: living longer, those sorts of things that you would bump
49:57
Speaker 4: it up to forty two.
49:58
Speaker 5: The average forty two year old who would be.
50:01
Speaker 4: Interested in joining the army right now, that is to say,
50:04
Speaker 4: self selecting group of people, is probably healthier than they
50:08
Speaker 4: were I don't know forty years ago, just based on
50:11
Speaker 4: what your biological ages.
50:13
Speaker 5: I don't know.
50:13
Speaker 4: There's a lot of unhealthy Americans out there, of course,
50:16
Speaker 4: But anyway, maybe this is what it's about, is they
50:19
Speaker 4: have an older group of people joining the army now,
50:24
Speaker 4: and you can screen yourself for testosterone.
50:28
Speaker 3: I want to meet the forty two year old that's
50:31
Speaker 3: signing up to get involved. That would be a very
50:34
Speaker 3: interesting breaking points interview. Someone was very happy about the
50:38
Speaker 3: disosterone news though, and one Jesse Waters on Fox, let's
50:42
Speaker 3: hear what he has. You lose your endurance muscle mass.
50:46
Speaker 3: So yeah, I want these guys on it. But you
50:48
Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen. The guys that don't need it
50:51
Speaker 3: are gonna take it to triple boost, right, and then
50:54
Speaker 3: they're gonna get out there and women on base. You
50:56
Speaker 3: guys better be careful. Port calls women in Asia. You
51:01
Speaker 3: better be careful because these guys are going to be animals.
51:05
Speaker 3: You better watch out.
51:09
Speaker 5: You should have, yeah, but I don't know if I
51:12
Speaker 5: would have.
51:14
Speaker 3: All right, so.
51:17
Speaker 4: Fox watch out in Asia, which, by the way, from
51:26
Speaker 4: Jesse Waters, who is admitted to having an affair with
51:28
Speaker 4: his producer.
51:29
Speaker 5: This man knows high tea behavior, so.
51:33
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, maybe maybe uh you know, uh so high
51:36
Speaker 3: T that he.
51:37
Speaker 4: Tried to have a fistfight with Ryan Groom, that that
51:40
Speaker 4: was a that was a low T.
51:41
Speaker 3: That was probably pre testosterone because I think he got
51:44
Speaker 3: his ass kicked.
51:45
Speaker 5: I know Ryan.
51:47
Speaker 4: Ryan should be the one lecturing us about tests.
51:53
Speaker 3: I would love to see uh Ryan on some tissosterone
51:56
Speaker 3: instead of what he normally does, which is micro does
51:59
Speaker 3: so but maybe we can all microdose a little tea.
52:03
Speaker 3: But uh maybe maybe leave the pork call women alone
52:08
Speaker 3: if we can, if we can avoid it or we'll
52:10
Speaker 3: have to go back to.
52:12
Speaker 4: My take on this is that it seems like it
52:15
Speaker 4: might be a perfectly reasonable thing to do, but it
52:19
Speaker 4: seems rather telling that they decided to make a big
52:22
Speaker 4: public show of this with a message from Hegseth, like
52:26
Speaker 4: a direct to camera announcement.
52:29
Speaker 5: Bragging about it.
52:30
Speaker 4: Like I could see that there's probably possibly some medical
52:35
Speaker 4: rationale for doing this, but Hegseth doing this like direct
52:39
Speaker 4: to camera, big rollout of it is somewhat amusing.
52:44
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's turn our attention to another high
52:49
Speaker 3: tea individual. Of course, I'm speaking about Joe Biden, who
52:53
Speaker 3: is out with a new book about his times and travels.
52:58
Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.
53:04
Speaker 11: Since that's the presidency. I've had a lot of people
53:06
Speaker 11: ask me, Joe, what have you been doing. I'm spending
53:14
Speaker 11: a lot of time with my family. I'm dealing with
53:16
Speaker 11: the cancer diagnosis, and I've been getting treatment and it's
53:19
Speaker 11: been going really well.
53:20
Speaker 3: Oh goodness.
53:23
Speaker 5: I want to take all.
53:24
Speaker 11: Those offer their prayers and support and well wishes who
53:27
Speaker 11: spent the world to me and to Jill. I've written
53:32
Speaker 11: a book about my time as president. It's called Promised
53:35
Speaker 11: Me America. It's coming on November. It's available for pre order.
53:40
Speaker 3: Now, all right, Well, it goes on for another minute
53:43
Speaker 3: thirty that I will not subject people to. But let
53:46
Speaker 3: me just say, like, so he's like he's going through
53:49
Speaker 3: a cancer treatment, but he was going to be president again.
53:52
Speaker 3: And you know this is an edited thing that he
53:55
Speaker 3: probably got multiple takes and is still slurring through it.
54:00
Speaker 3: I mean, what an incredible I guess, just an ego
54:05
Speaker 3: that he's still willing to walk out there when I
54:09
Speaker 3: think the majority of the Democratic Party wants to never
54:12
Speaker 3: hear from him again.
54:13
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
54:14
Speaker 4: And the book, actually, now that you say that it's
54:16
Speaker 4: worth mentioning, is coming out I think November seventeenth, so
54:19
Speaker 4: it's coming out after the mid terms, which Jill Biden
54:22
Speaker 4: did not have the courtesy to wait for Jill Biden
54:24
Speaker 4: to drop that book what was it last month? And
54:26
Speaker 4: has been on a disastrous media tour. Do you have
54:29
Speaker 4: the clip Griffin of It's horrible? Horrible?
54:34
Speaker 5: Crystal said this in our group chat yesterday.
54:36
Speaker 4: I was watching it and thought that I was actually
54:38
Speaker 4: physically going to have some type of allergic reaction.
54:42
Speaker 5: This is ninety second why.
54:45
Speaker 4: A weird moment at the end of a Jill Biden
54:49
Speaker 4: book talk with Whoopi Goldberg. If you're listening to this
54:52
Speaker 4: there on stage at ninety second, why Biden himself is
54:55
Speaker 4: in the crowd and they are clapping and turning to him.
55:09
Speaker 3: All right, so lots of applause. He's wandering, he's sauntering
55:14
Speaker 3: up slowly, all right, all right?
55:22
Speaker 12: Oh, Joe has a question like you couldn't ask it later?
55:29
Speaker 12: Who you love most of the whole world? Whoopie, And
55:42
Speaker 12: so I'm going to do the last No, I love
55:49
Speaker 12: you most, Joe?
55:51
Speaker 3: Why is that?
55:52
Speaker 4: It?
55:52
Speaker 12: Is that the answer he wanted? Yeah?
55:57
Speaker 7: Overwhelming?
55:58
Speaker 12: Well that's what keeps him on his two it's never
56:00
Speaker 12: one sure, I always keep him guessing.
56:03
Speaker 7: Is that not true?
56:06
Speaker 3: He's doing the Sign of the Cross, which would I
56:09
Speaker 3: thought you? I thought you'd like that, Emily.
56:11
Speaker 13: This thing I have to say is please remind people
56:16
Speaker 13: to pick up now.
56:18
Speaker 3: I know it's his book, So whoop He's trying to
56:20
Speaker 3: reassert control over the stage. But Joe has not laughed.
56:24
Speaker 3: Joe is frozen at the front ear but look up.
56:27
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, gooks, it looks they were all on a
56:30
Speaker 4: racial slurt.
56:33
Speaker 3: Wait, really I missed that. Let's go back well to
56:36
Speaker 3: pick up.
56:38
Speaker 13: Now I know it's his books, but look up.
56:40
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, gooks, it looks like gooks.
56:45
Speaker 3: What what is going on? Jill? You're not you're not senile?
56:51
Speaker 3: Like what is that? It's infectious? Maybe, yes, you're right, but.
56:56
Speaker 13: I'm going to remind them, but I'm to remind people
57:00
Speaker 13: to pick up books on your way out. The name
57:03
Speaker 13: of the book is the View from the East Wing.
57:06
Speaker 13: And that concludes our conversation. Thank you.
57:12
Speaker 3: Okay, So now they hug, and now Joe is still
57:15
Speaker 3: there and he's trying to get some more words in
57:21
Speaker 3: and then I'm going to have to lower the uh.
57:25
Speaker 3: So they're trying to play him off Oscar music style
57:28
Speaker 3: and he's putting his finger up, sir. So now they
57:40
Speaker 3: hand him a mic.
57:42
Speaker 11: Book which comes out.
57:47
Speaker 12: I have to remind him this is my event.
57:54
Speaker 11: The only thing Jill does better than right.
57:56
Speaker 3: She's a beautiful woman. Wow.
58:03
Speaker 5: I always say that about Crystal.
58:06
Speaker 3: As you wander around the stage.
58:09
Speaker 5: We only think Crystal's betterise beautiful.
58:12
Speaker 3: One, beautiful woman, incredible. That's the if. That's the one
58:16
Speaker 3: thing she's right about. It's that it's terrible. Yeah, these
58:21
Speaker 3: people don't understand that everyone hates them. Now, I mean,
58:25
Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, like maybe the people in that
58:27
Speaker 3: room are fine or whatever, but I mean it's like
58:31
Speaker 3: Jill Biden, the Jill, not Joe, is such a villain,
58:36
Speaker 3: like the fact that this is like some level of
58:40
Speaker 3: elder abuse that she was trying to drag him through.
58:43
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy can't operate a car much less
58:46
Speaker 3: like a golf cart. And she wanted this guy to
58:50
Speaker 3: be in office for another four years so she could
58:52
Speaker 3: what like do more rearrangement of the Rose Garden, like
58:57
Speaker 3: what like it's it's it was just so slimy and evil.
59:02
Speaker 3: But I guess you got to sell your books, got
59:04
Speaker 3: to get your book sales out there. But well, I
59:07
Speaker 3: cannot imagine him doing four more years in office.
59:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great to never lose sight of that. And
59:14
Speaker 4: you probably remember when it was Favreau on Pod Save
59:18
Speaker 4: a couple of months back was talking about how it's
59:20
Speaker 4: not as though people are going to the polls and saying,
59:23
Speaker 4: I refuse to vote Democrat because I don't trust the
59:26
Speaker 4: Democratic Party that told me Joe Biden was fine and
59:28
Speaker 4: should be president and then you know, prevented us from
59:31
Speaker 4: having a real primary after he had to drop out
59:33
Speaker 4: in the debate, but it's something that lingers in people's
59:36
Speaker 4: heads and probably is a huge barrier for them to
59:40
Speaker 4: voting Democrat in the future. And now Republicans will have
59:42
Speaker 4: a similar problem with Trump probably where people just don't
59:46
Speaker 4: necessarily trust all of the folks around Trump if they're
59:50
Speaker 4: running for If Jade Vance is running for office and
59:52
Speaker 4: there's a general election and he's the Republican nominee, Trump
59:56
Speaker 4: is at fifty six percent on popularity ability, I should say,
1:00:00
Speaker 4: in the real coup politics average right now. So it's
1:00:03
Speaker 4: not like it's just a Democrat problem. But when you
1:00:05
Speaker 4: see videos like this, I think it does remind people
1:00:07
Speaker 4: of how much enabling, complicity and just evil there was
1:00:10
Speaker 4: surrounding Biden.
1:00:12
Speaker 5: The media's unwillingness to publish tough stories until like the
1:00:16
Speaker 5: very last minute. It's just crazy. It's absolutely crazy.
1:00:20
Speaker 4: And yes, the White House was threatening people, bullying the
1:00:23
Speaker 4: press and trying to conceal this, and they couldn't at
1:00:28
Speaker 4: you a certain point, they couldn't keep a lid on it.
1:00:30
Speaker 4: But to see it now and think that he could
1:00:32
Speaker 4: be the sitting president of the United States is just Yeah,
1:00:35
Speaker 4: it's a reminder of how I think You're right, Joe
1:00:38
Speaker 4: Biden ends up looking truly despicable because she's out there
1:00:43
Speaker 4: hockey in her book. Her husband's the president, the former president,
1:00:47
Speaker 4: and they're making him like sit and they clearly don't
1:00:51
Speaker 4: want to deal with him. When he wants to say something,
1:00:53
Speaker 4: they're making it like sit in the audience. He doesn't
1:00:55
Speaker 4: want to he doesn't want to just sit in the audience.
1:00:57
Speaker 4: He wants to say something. He wants to promote his
1:00:59
Speaker 4: own book, and they're like, get out of here, get
1:01:02
Speaker 4: out of here.
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Speaker 5: This is the Jill Show.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think like a smart Democratic party
1:01:08
Speaker 3: would get rid of her completely, like I think they should.
1:01:11
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, no one's gonna read these books.
1:01:14
Speaker 3: They're just gonna fill up warehouses somewhere.
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Speaker 5: Would she refuse to do events like that? Ninety second?
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Speaker 5: Why should refused to do events like that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, it's it's absolutely absurd. And I just
1:01:24
Speaker 3: wanted us to just take a trip down memory lane
1:01:27
Speaker 3: to when things could have been changed, when there could
1:01:32
Speaker 3: have been a pivot. Jill Biden stuck her nails in
1:01:36
Speaker 3: even deeper into probably my favorite quote of the twenty
1:01:40
Speaker 3: twenty four election that you knew all the facts. You
1:01:43
Speaker 3: answered every question. This is after Biden's disastrous debate. Let's
1:01:49
Speaker 3: drop it, Jo, You.
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Speaker 12: Did such a great job. You answered every question.
1:01:54
Speaker 3: You knew all that.
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Speaker 12: That crowd, what.
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Speaker 3: Did truck do?
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Speaker 8: Live?
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Speaker 4: So she writes about this in her book and says
1:02:09
Speaker 4: she believes that Biden was having her husband at one
1:02:12
Speaker 4: point during the debate when he crashes out and says
1:02:14
Speaker 4: we'd be back.
1:02:17
Speaker 5: She says she.
1:02:17
Speaker 4: Thought he was having a stroke and then went on
1:02:20
Speaker 4: stage afterwards and says, you did a great job, you
1:02:23
Speaker 4: do all the facts, and talks about in the book
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Speaker 4: what was I supposed to do?
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Speaker 5: What was I No, don't do the event afterwards, cancel
1:02:30
Speaker 5: the event.
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Speaker 4: If you thought your husband had a stroke, get him
1:02:33
Speaker 4: to a hospital.
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Speaker 3: Ma'am, Yeah, she said. She she said, like, uh, it
1:02:38
Speaker 3: was a stroke. But imagine he did really well if
1:02:43
Speaker 3: it was a stroke, right, that's pretty good.
1:02:45
Speaker 5: That's a good point. That's a good point.
1:02:47
Speaker 4: Actually, if anything, she was just being honest because he
1:02:50
Speaker 4: did know all the facts and answered every question despite
1:02:53
Speaker 4: having a stroke, which is something to celebrate.
1:02:56
Speaker 3: Yes, And I guess that takes us like full circle
1:02:58
Speaker 3: from what you know, felt like Trump in some stage
1:03:02
Speaker 3: of the brandoning, decaying process. I think he's Trump is
1:03:06
Speaker 3: just more at the lethargic kind of sleepy Joe I
1:03:09
Speaker 3: would say stage. We're not at the wandering stage with
1:03:13
Speaker 3: Trump as much. But wow, we truly do have some
1:03:17
Speaker 3: of the oldest politicians that have ever spoken to or
1:03:24
Speaker 3: been alive. I mean, it is truly embarrassing. So I
1:03:28
Speaker 3: think we will leave.
1:03:29
Speaker 5: Well, you said alive, but we don't. We're not.
1:03:32
Speaker 3: We're not fully sure about that.
1:03:34
Speaker 4: The there's a man right now who is in control
1:03:39
Speaker 4: of a committee that does defense appropriations as we are
1:03:42
Speaker 4: funding the warren Ukraine and are now basically at war
1:03:45
Speaker 4: in Iran who there's serious debate about whether or not
1:03:48
Speaker 4: he's alive, and that would be Mitch McConnell. So while
1:03:50
Speaker 4: you said they're alive, I just wanted to add that, uh,
1:03:53
Speaker 4: that clarification, Griffin, it's up at unclear.
1:03:56
Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate that flag, and actually in context,
1:04:01
Speaker 3: I have a lot more respect for Mitch McConnell because
1:04:03
Speaker 3: he's not trying to speak, he's not trying to put
1:04:05
Speaker 3: out a book. He you know, he doesn't know all
1:04:08
Speaker 3: the facts. He's not going to answer every question exactly
1:04:11
Speaker 3: that's classy. I respect that, you know, like we don't.
1:04:14
Speaker 5: Finally, his politician, and I don't have.
1:04:16
Speaker 3: To deal with his wife. His wife just immediately just
1:04:19
Speaker 3: disappeared to China.
1:04:22
Speaker 4: She well the story, she was in China and didn't
1:04:24
Speaker 4: think she had to come back, even though we now
1:04:25
Speaker 4: know the nine to one one call is that he
1:04:27
Speaker 4: was unresponsive and ZPR was being performed.
1:04:30
Speaker 5: It just didn't warrant or returning from a trip.
1:04:32
Speaker 4: To China where she was meeting with some of Shedin
1:04:35
Speaker 4: Ping's top allies.
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Speaker 5: So good stuff, Thank you, Elaine Chow.
1:04:39
Speaker 3: The love story of a lifetime. Well, I think that's
1:04:44
Speaker 3: going to do it for this segment. All right, let's
1:04:47
Speaker 3: answer some questions from the Breaking Points members. Of course,
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Speaker 3: on Fridays. Let's start with, well, he guess Kevin would
1:05:01
Speaker 3: Emily consider giving a breakdown of Wisconsin's upcoming elections. Now,
1:05:05
Speaker 3: I've been tracking one Francesca Hong DSA, another DSA candidate,
1:05:11
Speaker 3: another crazy communist who is running for governor of Wisconsin.
1:05:16
Speaker 3: What do you think her chances are?
1:05:19
Speaker 4: Well, I think they're probably not terrible. If we're talking
1:05:23
Speaker 4: about the primary, I think it's it's possible she wins
1:05:26
Speaker 4: the primary. Wisconsin, I think people forget is one of
1:05:29
Speaker 4: the kind of traditional social bastions in modern American history.
1:05:35
Speaker 4: So it's not like completely insane that a socialist in
1:05:40
Speaker 4: Wisconsin would have some chance in a general election that
1:05:45
Speaker 4: obviously gets a lot tougher, But we should, Griffin, I think,
1:05:50
Speaker 4: zoom in on that race. It's I want to say,
1:05:52
Speaker 4: it's the week after the Michigan primary, so it'll be
1:05:55
Speaker 4: front and center in the weeks ahead. But it's definitely
1:05:58
Speaker 4: an interesting Democratic primary to watch, just because you have
1:06:02
Speaker 4: a state like Wisconsin with a history of socialism, with
1:06:05
Speaker 4: a lot of the problems that DSA folks are talking about.
1:06:09
Speaker 4: And bear in mind, Bernie trounced Tiller Clinton in Wisconsin,
1:06:14
Speaker 4: like it was not even close in the primary in
1:06:17
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, So not crazy that Francesca Hong. I just
1:06:21
Speaker 4: don't I don't know, like i'll we should have a run, obviously,
1:06:25
Speaker 4: I think, so okay, good, Yeah, I'm on the right,
1:06:28
Speaker 4: so my perspective is deeply skeptical, but we'll see what happens.
1:06:32
Speaker 4: I was driving through because well, I mean not just
1:06:37
Speaker 4: the DSA thing. I probably have more in common with
1:06:39
Speaker 4: some DSA folks on particular issues than I do with
1:06:41
Speaker 4: some Republicans on particular issues, but also a bunch more differences.
1:06:47
Speaker 4: But still I'm driving through rural Wisconsin. I was driving
1:06:50
Speaker 4: through Royal, Wisconsin on Tuesday, and the amount of Trump
1:06:54
Speaker 4: signs still significant. I drove past one that was like
1:06:58
Speaker 4: homemade big sign on the highway and it said King
1:07:04
Speaker 4: Trump twenty twenty eight, King Trump twenty twenty eight.
1:07:08
Speaker 3: I love that homemade. Incredible because one.
1:07:12
Speaker 5: Of those in LA put it outside your apartment.
1:07:14
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I would get it completely evicted. I would
1:07:19
Speaker 3: have to. I would have to get Spencer Pratt to
1:07:21
Speaker 3: protect me on that one. Who is Spencer Pratt? You
1:07:25
Speaker 3: know he's like he's fully, He's fully. He tried to
1:07:28
Speaker 3: be a little like Maga light, but now he's like full,
1:07:32
Speaker 3: He's full like Maga. How do you how do you
1:07:33
Speaker 3: feel that Spencer Pratt right now as a sore loser
1:07:37
Speaker 3: but now kind of like social media pundit.
1:07:41
Speaker 5: I think Spencer Pratt is still really interesting. Probably so Trump.
1:07:44
Speaker 4: We didn't even mention this earlier in the show, but
1:07:46
Speaker 4: Trump brought up the Pratt race in his speech last night.
1:07:50
Speaker 4: And this is where the election stuff is kind of
1:07:52
Speaker 4: frustrated from my perspective, because it's just indisputably true. I
1:07:57
Speaker 4: was arguing with some people on my Instagram about the
1:08:00
Speaker 4: is its disputably true that when.
1:08:05
Speaker 5: It wasn't the DMS it.
1:08:06
Speaker 4: Was in the comments Actually that it is indisputably true
1:08:08
Speaker 4: when you have this pattern where votes come in on
1:08:11
Speaker 4: election night, Nitthia Ramen is crying the margin is massive,
1:08:15
Speaker 4: and then over the course of the week it changes. Yes,
1:08:18
Speaker 4: I understand fully the reason that happens male and well
1:08:22
Speaker 4: that's fair. But I understand fully the reason that happens
1:08:25
Speaker 4: it is going to make people think crazy shit's happening
1:08:29
Speaker 4: in the background no matter what. And I think the
1:08:31
Speaker 4: same thing is true with the electronic voting machines. They
1:08:35
Speaker 4: just make people feel weird. And so there are real
1:08:37
Speaker 4: questions like if you look across the board, people's trust
1:08:40
Speaker 4: and institutions obviously is down, but trust in elections is down,
1:08:43
Speaker 4: and it's not just Republicans, And so I do think
1:08:47
Speaker 4: there is room for us to come to, like some
1:08:51
Speaker 4: solutions about how to do this better. But it makes
1:08:55
Speaker 4: me so frustrated when Trump, I think, praise on you know,
1:08:59
Speaker 4: this is what he did in like went in super
1:09:01
Speaker 4: crazy directions and prayed on people's legitimate concerns about for example,
1:09:06
Speaker 4: Mark Zuckerberg coming in pouring all this money into like
1:09:09
Speaker 4: dem areas disproportionately to Republican ones.
1:09:12
Speaker 5: That's a real thing. That is like an.
1:09:14
Speaker 4: Actual billionaire coming in and trying to shift the election
1:09:17
Speaker 4: in ways that make people uncomfortable.
1:09:18
Speaker 5: But then you just end up with this silly stuff.
1:09:21
Speaker 4: But you're actually in La Griffin, So I'm kind of
1:09:25
Speaker 4: curious for what your take is on Prat right now.
1:09:27
Speaker 4: I think just let me tee this stuff by saying
1:09:29
Speaker 4: his new War Foundation is explicitly yeah, it's explicitly going
1:09:34
Speaker 4: to be acting in a journalistic capacity. And my theory
1:09:37
Speaker 4: of that case is smart new media politicians realize, like mom,
1:09:42
Speaker 4: Donnie did that bringing new information to voters. Remember his
1:09:46
Speaker 4: food kiosk actually as a food truck video right during
1:09:50
Speaker 4: his campaign. Yes, it was him bringing new information on
1:09:56
Speaker 4: social media. That's what does well on social media is
1:09:58
Speaker 4: like I am exposing so thing, And I think that's
1:10:01
Speaker 4: what Pratt is like actually kind of doing right now
1:10:03
Speaker 4: in ways that dams are not prepared for unless their
1:10:06
Speaker 4: mom Donnie piled.
1:10:07
Speaker 3: Yeah. But the but the the thing about Pratt that
1:10:11
Speaker 3: was like sort of like confusing and frustrating, like he
1:10:14
Speaker 3: doesn't really know where he's running, Because I do think
1:10:18
Speaker 3: that Pratt was probably charismatic and forceful enough to peel
1:10:23
Speaker 3: off some normy liberals like I talked to a few
1:10:27
Speaker 3: normy liberals who even think that something was like funky
1:10:30
Speaker 3: with the election or or what have you, that it
1:10:33
Speaker 3: was odd that Pratt was up and down. Now, in reality,
1:10:37
Speaker 3: it would be insane for the the Kami Karen bass
1:10:42
Speaker 3: to rig Karen Bassura, for her to rig the polls
1:10:48
Speaker 3: so that Nithya, who's much more likely to beat her
1:10:52
Speaker 3: in a one on one than Pratt, like she want
1:10:55
Speaker 3: she wanted Pratt to be in the top two with her,
1:10:58
Speaker 3: So it would be insane for her to rig the
1:10:59
Speaker 3: election to knock out Pratt from the top two general.
1:11:03
Speaker 3: So it just doesn't make sense on a on a
1:11:06
Speaker 3: stolen election strategy.
1:11:07
Speaker 4: Well unless it was a Nythia thing that's like that
1:11:10
Speaker 4: would be his rebuttal I'm not saying it was.
1:11:11
Speaker 5: Obviously you can see where people would be like.
1:11:15
Speaker 3: Nity can't tie your shoes. She can't even cut a video.
1:11:17
Speaker 3: She's gonna steal the elections. I mean, I'm sorry, Like,
1:11:20
Speaker 3: like that's also, uh, you know, I think complimenting Nythia
1:11:25
Speaker 3: a little too much. But with the with the Pratt thing,
1:11:29
Speaker 3: it's like he he did have a shot at it,
1:11:33
Speaker 3: but in the last two weeks before the election, he's
1:11:36
Speaker 3: like in New York City, he's going on Gutfeld and
1:11:41
Speaker 3: Fox News. Yeah, what a mistake. Like he should have
1:11:44
Speaker 3: been going on Pod Save America. He should be talking
1:11:47
Speaker 3: to fucking Alana Glazer. He should be he should be
1:11:50
Speaker 3: trying to talk to Amy Poehler, you know, about whatever
1:11:53
Speaker 3: whatever the funck happens on Amy polar podcast. But I
1:11:56
Speaker 3: mean maybe that maybe they wouldn't have let him on.
1:11:59
Speaker 3: I think Pod Save to let him on. So I
1:12:02
Speaker 3: just think it's it was a total mistake strategically for
1:12:07
Speaker 3: him in how he played it. So I kind of
1:12:10
Speaker 3: I lost with little respect that I had for him,
1:12:14
Speaker 3: and and and I'm like, where's the reality show? I
1:12:17
Speaker 3: want the reality show now, I guess. But you think
1:12:19
Speaker 3: he's going to be doing sort of a vertical new
1:12:21
Speaker 3: media thing where he just like whinds and complains because
1:12:25
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any political future for him in California,
1:12:28
Speaker 3: especially as he seems to post loss be kind of
1:12:32
Speaker 3: pulling off the mask and even being more clearly right
1:12:35
Speaker 3: wing than before.
1:12:36
Speaker 4: So that's a good point that if he's going to
1:12:39
Speaker 4: go full Maga, he becomes less viable in California, because
1:12:43
Speaker 4: he was insistent during the election that he was running
1:12:45
Speaker 4: as an independent. He's registered for biblegam but he's running
1:12:48
Speaker 4: as an independent, running as an independent, and there are
1:12:50
Speaker 4: a lot of voters in like cal you go Inland,
1:12:53
Speaker 4: in California, it gets much redder pretty quickly than like
1:12:57
Speaker 4: It's there's less people obviously, but it does change, and
1:13:02
Speaker 4: it's just a kind of different state the further inland
1:13:04
Speaker 4: you go versus the coast.
1:13:05
Speaker 5: So there's something there.
1:13:08
Speaker 4: I mean, there's something there for a person who does
1:13:12
Speaker 4: a good job at like meeting the moment, as I
1:13:14
Speaker 4: think Pratt did during the election. But to your point,
1:13:18
Speaker 4: if that's the trajectory long term, it probably does make
1:13:20
Speaker 4: him less viable. On the other hand, I do think
1:13:24
Speaker 4: if he starts going back to the roots of the
1:13:28
Speaker 4: Pratt campaign several months ago, where he's like going into
1:13:31
Speaker 4: skid row and being like, why is this getting bigger?
1:13:33
Speaker 5: What are they doing to dogs?
1:13:36
Speaker 4: That stuff can be powerful, but if it's combined with
1:13:39
Speaker 4: full maga, it's certainly not going to be viable.
1:13:42
Speaker 5: I think that's right, Griffin.
1:13:44
Speaker 3: We do need to save the skid Row dogs. That's
1:13:46
Speaker 3: actually how I first experienced the Pratt campaign is I
1:13:49
Speaker 3: was helping volunteering at skid Row, and I had no
1:13:53
Speaker 3: idea that all the people at skid Row were like,
1:13:56
Speaker 3: we're like rhydoids because we were talking about the dogs
1:13:58
Speaker 3: and that's why we need Spencer Pratt. I was like, oh,
1:14:00
Speaker 3: what really you were?
1:14:02
Speaker 4: You were out there harvesting ballots for Nancia Rahman and
1:14:06
Speaker 4: skid Row.
1:14:07
Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was, I was. I was
1:14:10
Speaker 3: taking a hit off the crack pipe. I was signing
1:14:12
Speaker 3: people up. It was incredible.
1:14:14
Speaker 5: But were you out there helping puppies because you do that?
1:14:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it.
1:14:18
Speaker 10: It is.
1:14:18
Speaker 3: It is terrible down there, and and when I tell
1:14:21
Speaker 3: people about it, they treat me like I'm a crazy
1:14:23
Speaker 3: Fox News Alex Jones host when I talk about the
1:14:26
Speaker 3: horrible things that happened down there, but they are really happening.
1:14:30
Speaker 3: And that was Pratt's That was like Pratt's power in
1:14:34
Speaker 3: a sense to to talk about some of the things
1:14:37
Speaker 3: that we that are happening that are real, and you
1:14:41
Speaker 3: know that the that the city and in certain ways
1:14:44
Speaker 3: is falling apart.
1:14:45
Speaker 4: So that was the group that's mostly responsible, at least
1:14:50
Speaker 4: from an outside like organization perspective, nonprofit perspective, for pushing
1:14:56
Speaker 4: and gain a function research and undermine the credibility of
1:14:58
Speaker 4: Anthony Fauci is called white waste, and it's we've had
1:15:01
Speaker 4: them on the show before. It's like in Moost people
1:15:03
Speaker 4: who used to be with PTA and said, we think
1:15:06
Speaker 4: we can get Republican voters to support ending animal testing
1:15:11
Speaker 4: even if they don't have like a super moral peda
1:15:13
Speaker 4: style ethical objection to it because it's like wasteful government spending.
1:15:18
Speaker 4: But during the pandemic they used that and actually had
1:15:21
Speaker 4: like a major priority on the beagles accomplished because they said,
1:15:26
Speaker 4: we're going to work with Republicans And now you see
1:15:28
Speaker 4: a lot of Republicans like Nancy Mace and others being like,
1:15:31
Speaker 4: actually this is terrible. Like they they worked with the
1:15:34
Speaker 4: Maha movement and sometimes you can get shit done that way.
1:15:37
Speaker 3: Why do conservatives own the animal issue that? Why do
1:15:40
Speaker 3: you think that is they they like new. Is that new?
1:15:43
Speaker 3: They seem to be like ahead of the game on that,
1:15:45
Speaker 3: Like obviously there was there was that beagle rescue that
1:15:48
Speaker 3: was not political. It wasn't like a rhdeoid thing. But
1:15:51
Speaker 3: but I do see like the Conservatives is it because
1:15:54
Speaker 3: it's like an easy moral issue for them to talk
1:15:57
Speaker 3: about when they feel like they don't have a lot
1:15:58
Speaker 3: of other moral issues to and on. I don't know
1:16:01
Speaker 3: where it's coming from, but it does seem like they
1:16:04
Speaker 3: care a little bit about more about dogs than homeless
1:16:07
Speaker 3: people and then and their rights and experiences on the streets.
1:16:12
Speaker 3: But I'll take what I can get as a dog lover.
1:16:14
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.
1:16:15
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting how Pratt was pretty he
1:16:19
Speaker 4: did a good job of breaking the Republican what's the
1:16:23
Speaker 4: best way to put it. We've now spent so much
1:16:25
Speaker 4: time on Spinster Pratt, but like he didn't do a
1:16:27
Speaker 4: good job, but he did a good job of not
1:16:29
Speaker 4: falling into the trap of how Republicans typically talk about
1:16:34
Speaker 4: homemost populations and atticts.
1:16:36
Speaker 5: In the streets. Like he did a pretty good job.
1:16:38
Speaker 4: I think of framing it as like this isn't good
1:16:40
Speaker 4: for anybody including them, and the dogs were like a
1:16:43
Speaker 4: gateway drug. To that point, I feel like where you
1:16:46
Speaker 4: just say, like nobody is thriving in this situation. Yeah,
1:16:49
Speaker 4: but yeah, your point about how it's an easy moral
1:16:52
Speaker 4: victory is well taken.
1:16:54
Speaker 3: So let's get away from Pratt for a second. I'm
1:16:57
Speaker 3: sure he'll be rearing his head again in future AMAS.
1:17:00
Speaker 3: This is from this person doesn't have a name, just
1:17:02
Speaker 3: called subscriber. Would you call Jeremy Skayhill's session with Roe
1:17:06
Speaker 3: Conna an interview or an inquisition? For what it's worth,
1:17:10
Speaker 3: it sure felt like an inquisition to me. I thought
1:17:13
Speaker 3: it was horrible. Emily you've seen the clips.
1:17:18
Speaker 7: Well.
1:17:19
Speaker 4: Tybee wrote a post yesterday Let's go laying into Ryan
1:17:24
Speaker 4: and Jeremy. He criticized Brian for petting his dog during
1:17:27
Speaker 4: the interview. But that was Ryan's cat, I believe, not
1:17:30
Speaker 4: Ryan's dog. But that was a criticism, yeah.
1:17:35
Speaker 5: Really critical.
1:17:36
Speaker 4: He was really critical of Jeremy for being I think
1:17:39
Speaker 4: he would probably say performative and not looking to get
1:17:43
Speaker 4: a real answer out of Roe, but just looking to
1:17:47
Speaker 4: make a point and make an argument more than elicit
1:17:50
Speaker 4: an answer.
1:17:51
Speaker 5: I actually disagree with that.
1:17:54
Speaker 4: My take on it is that Jeremy comes from his
1:17:57
Speaker 4: position where he genuinely believes what he's saying, and his
1:18:01
Speaker 4: frustration with Roe. I'm very curious what you make at
1:18:03
Speaker 4: this Griffin. His frustration with Rocana is that he's come
1:18:06
Speaker 4: out here and positioned himself as a champion of the
1:18:11
Speaker 4: Palestinian cause. But from Jeremy's perspective, as somebody who's been
1:18:15
Speaker 4: like in those trenches for a long time, he's saying,
1:18:19
Speaker 4: nobody is going to push Rocana to be consistent. And
1:18:25
Speaker 4: I agree more with Roe on his position than I
1:18:28
Speaker 4: agree with Jeremy's position. But I actually thought that was
1:18:31
Speaker 4: a fairly courageous line of questioning, and I thought he
1:18:34
Speaker 4: was trying to get a real answer out of Rocana
1:18:37
Speaker 4: about whether.
1:18:39
Speaker 5: The quote armed resistance.
1:18:41
Speaker 4: Of Hamas had any legitimate military or could make any
1:18:45
Speaker 4: claim to legitimate military action on October seventh.
1:18:49
Speaker 5: Now, obviously that was a terrorist attack.
1:18:52
Speaker 4: Jeremy was saying that it started as an attack on
1:18:54
Speaker 4: military institutions. Seems to me like it was a planned
1:18:58
Speaker 4: terrorist attack. But I thought from Jeremy's perspective, he was
1:19:02
Speaker 4: pushing Kanna to be consistent, and I do think he
1:19:06
Speaker 4: was trying to get him to say yes or no genuinely,
1:19:09
Speaker 4: So I totally disagreed. I thought it was if you
1:19:13
Speaker 4: have Jeremy's worldview and you're looking at Rokanna become the
1:19:17
Speaker 4: sort of champion of the Palestinian cause in the American Congress,
1:19:21
Speaker 4: then asking whether there is any legitimate room for an
1:19:25
Speaker 4: armed resistance against the Israeli government seems like a legitimate
1:19:34
Speaker 4: line of questioning if that's your worldview. So I totally agree.
1:19:37
Speaker 4: I disagreed with the criticisms of it. I don't know,
1:19:40
Speaker 4: but I'm curious what you thought.
1:19:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if Roe was like, well, you can
1:19:46
Speaker 3: attack the military bases, but then when you attack the
1:19:49
Speaker 3: music festival or whatever, that's when it becomes a terrorist
1:19:54
Speaker 3: attack or something. I do think it's interesting that for
1:19:56
Speaker 3: the last two years, the litmus test has been is
1:20:00
Speaker 3: is it a genocide? Which broke Rona has said, But
1:20:03
Speaker 3: now now we're going to go to was October seventh justified?
1:20:09
Speaker 3: Which I think is very interesting and really, you know
1:20:11
Speaker 3: what what Weather wrote wherever he was, he was saying,
1:20:16
Speaker 3: he was justifying the the October seventh, you know, Alcosom
1:20:21
Speaker 3: flood against the military bases, taking down the fences, and
1:20:25
Speaker 3: what have you.
1:20:27
Speaker 4: Well, that narrowly, and this is where I think it was,
1:20:30
Speaker 4: like I would argue about this with Jeremy, but like
1:20:33
Speaker 4: I think he was saying, is there he was using
1:20:36
Speaker 4: that example of from his perspective, the early attacks being
1:20:39
Speaker 4: on military targets, and he was just narrowing it down
1:20:42
Speaker 4: to that and trying to say, is that acceptable at
1:20:46
Speaker 4: any level whatsoever?
1:20:47
Speaker 5: And I thought that, like seeing Roe's.
1:20:49
Speaker 4: Answer was genuinely valuable, and even Jeremy's critics seem to
1:20:54
Speaker 4: have thought it was valuable because they've used it to
1:20:57
Speaker 4: explain how Row from their perspective of his worlds you
1:21:00
Speaker 4: falls apart when pressed on that particular question. Now I
1:21:04
Speaker 4: don't agree with that, but he wasn't saying like do
1:21:07
Speaker 4: you justify a tax on the music festival?
1:21:10
Speaker 5: You're saying, is there any legitimate military like I don't know.
1:21:15
Speaker 5: I think he was using an example to make that.
1:21:17
Speaker 3: Point, Yeah, which I think, of course, which I think,
1:21:20
Speaker 3: of course there is if you're if you're being occupied
1:21:22
Speaker 3: by a foreign power. I think these are actual like
1:21:26
Speaker 3: laws like laws of war, that you are allowed to
1:21:29
Speaker 3: engage in military actions against an occupying force, an illegal
1:21:34
Speaker 3: occupying force. What would you say to that.
1:21:39
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this over the course of the week,
1:21:42
Speaker 4: and I think that's part of what the problem is
1:21:45
Speaker 4: for Palestinians who are in Gaza and want the or
1:21:52
Speaker 4: want a solution to the problem. It's like your option
1:21:55
Speaker 4: right now is Hamas, which is terroristic, and you don't
1:22:01
Speaker 4: have like sort of a what's the best way to
1:22:04
Speaker 4: put it, non terroristic, more legitimate.
1:22:10
Speaker 5: Representation?
1:22:11
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, and it was said in the and
1:22:13
Speaker 3: it was said in the interview. Oh more, Rose said
1:22:16
Speaker 3: I'm more Doctor King than Malcolm X or what have you.
1:22:18
Speaker 3: But well, I try. I mean, they tried the Doctor
1:22:20
Speaker 3: King route, and you know, they did the March of Return.
1:22:25
Speaker 3: They all got shot in the kneecap. That's also mentioned
1:22:27
Speaker 3: in the interview. So yeah, so at what point, at
1:22:31
Speaker 3: what point then do you have you exhausted all options
1:22:34
Speaker 3: or what have you? I mean, I think rosemen really brave,
1:22:37
Speaker 3: uh braver than most Democrats on this. And I also
1:22:40
Speaker 3: respect that Roe is willing to just kind of sit
1:22:43
Speaker 3: there and like, you know, duke it out and fight
1:22:45
Speaker 3: it out. I think like most politicians are not going
1:22:49
Speaker 3: to do that, and I think that they that they
1:22:51
Speaker 3: should because you know, regardless of Rose answer you there's
1:22:55
Speaker 3: some respect there right to to to go through that interview.
1:22:59
Speaker 3: And also I guess like, because I don't have anything
1:23:02
Speaker 3: super smart to say, I wanted to I wanted to
1:23:04
Speaker 3: mention what Ryan kind of said in the post interview
1:23:08
Speaker 3: once Roe was gone. He made this comment about Lincoln
1:23:12
Speaker 3: that when Lincoln was when when Lincoln was running, when
1:23:16
Speaker 3: Lincoln was president, he was never saying the things that
1:23:20
Speaker 3: the abolitionists would say, sort of the most far left abolitionists,
1:23:25
Speaker 3: things that every I think American today would feel like,
1:23:29
Speaker 3: is the normal base reality segregation is wrong, you know
1:23:34
Speaker 3: that that we need racial justice.
1:23:37
Speaker 5: And he wasn't saying Barley Constitution go full John Brown.
1:23:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't saying any of that stuff.
1:23:43
Speaker 3: But he was, you know, behind the scenes, working with
1:23:45
Speaker 3: you know, abolitionists and organizers and all that stuff to
1:23:50
Speaker 3: create a coalition that included the most far left abolitionists
1:23:55
Speaker 3: and more of the at the time, more of the
1:23:58
Speaker 3: kind of the weaker liberal positions on this. And so
1:24:02
Speaker 3: I thought that was an interesting point too. And I
1:24:04
Speaker 3: do think that is that is somewhere where row can
1:24:07
Speaker 3: kind of fit.
1:24:09
Speaker 13: Well.
1:24:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he does come from the tradition, like he
1:24:13
Speaker 4: mentioned of Gandhi, like his grandfather I believe was an
1:24:16
Speaker 4: associate of Gandhi.
1:24:18
Speaker 5: And that's where I come down too.
1:24:20
Speaker 4: I think it's part of the problem with the IDF
1:24:22
Speaker 4: is that you end up justifying mass civilian deaths for
1:24:27
Speaker 4: a particular goal, and you're going in a really bad direction.
1:24:30
Speaker 4: And that is obviously obviously a massive problem if you're
1:24:35
Speaker 4: genuinely trying to justify October seventh or any other terrorist
1:24:39
Speaker 4: activities from Hamas, and it sucks if you're a Palestinian
1:24:44
Speaker 4: who doesn't want to see that happening too israeally civilians either,
1:24:48
Speaker 4: and you're in this position where they're like basically between
1:24:51
Speaker 4: a rock and a hard place. It's something, of course,
1:24:53
Speaker 4: that every political movement has dealt with. The point about
1:24:56
Speaker 4: Malcolm X, the point about if you think about like
1:24:58
Speaker 4: the anti abortion movement, which I consider myself a part of,
1:25:02
Speaker 4: they historically in the last thirty years have dealt with
1:25:04
Speaker 4: this question. It's not really something people talk about now,
1:25:07
Speaker 4: but you know, they were saying, if you genuinely believe
1:25:11
Speaker 4: that thousands of babies are being slaughtered every single day,
1:25:15
Speaker 4: then that's why people were saying well, let's go ahead
1:25:18
Speaker 4: and fire bomb abortion clinics. Not good, it's not good.
1:25:21
Speaker 4: It's not the right answer. But it's not unique to
1:25:25
Speaker 4: one political movement or another. The question of like, what
1:25:29
Speaker 4: justifies is that the protection of human life is a
1:25:34
Speaker 4: real one.
1:25:36
Speaker 3: Yes, so I think we've come down on it was
1:25:40
Speaker 3: an inquisition, but a just inquisition by Jeremy sk Hill.
1:25:45
Speaker 5: It was an inquisition.
1:25:48
Speaker 3: Not all inquisitions are bad. They're not all made the same.
1:25:51
Speaker 3: All right, let's do one last one now. This is
1:25:53
Speaker 3: an amalgamation of multiple multiple comments here. So everyone's asking
1:26:00
Speaker 3: about Eric. So we had an interview with Donovan McKinney,
1:26:07
Speaker 3: who's running for Congress in Michigan. Jake Mogul asked, will
1:26:12
Speaker 3: we be getting more from the Wednesday host? Eric loved
1:26:15
Speaker 3: his style and how he really stepped up for the
1:26:17
Speaker 3: team covering Emily's family emergency and Ryan being a nose show. Yes,
1:26:24
Speaker 3: So I'll give a little bit behind the scenes here.
1:26:27
Speaker 3: When we bring people in remotely, they are a zoom call,
1:26:32
Speaker 3: and the zoom window had Eric at the bottom under
1:26:38
Speaker 3: Ryan because Eric is our studio manager that runs the control.
1:26:43
Speaker 3: So Eric's name was on the zoom call, which confused
1:26:45
Speaker 3: Donovan and made him think that was Eric. So it's
1:26:49
Speaker 3: not Donovan's fault. It is my fault. That has now
1:26:52
Speaker 3: been changed and now just says breaking points.
1:26:55
Speaker 4: But and by the way, that doesn't mean he's not
1:26:58
Speaker 4: a real breaking points for and because if that happens
1:27:02
Speaker 4: and you're maybe nervous and you're doing a media hit
1:27:05
Speaker 4: and you want to make sure you get it right
1:27:06
Speaker 4: in your mind in those high pressure moments, it can
1:27:09
Speaker 4: go to weird places like you can suddenly be oh, okay,
1:27:12
Speaker 4: so I'll just I'll do what's on the screen, or like,
1:27:14
Speaker 4: am I wrong? You feel like you're being gaslt You're like,
1:27:17
Speaker 4: it's a Eric.
1:27:18
Speaker 5: I know that's Ryan, but it's as Eric.
1:27:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big Ryan fan. So I think I
1:27:25
Speaker 3: think that was that was that was my fault. But
1:27:28
Speaker 3: then it Ryan. I told Ryan after you got to
1:27:31
Speaker 3: correct him. At some point you gotta say something, and
1:27:34
Speaker 3: I say, and we told Ryan after the interview, and
1:27:36
Speaker 3: he goes, oh, really, he didn't even notice. So if
1:27:39
Speaker 3: Ryan didn't notice, then you know, I think, Okay.
1:27:43
Speaker 4: So this is actually more funny behind the scenes because
1:27:46
Speaker 4: so I was back in Wisconsin from my grandfather's funeral
1:27:49
Speaker 4: and travel got super messed up because it was in
1:27:51
Speaker 4: the middle of like basically nowhere, and so we're scrambling
1:27:55
Speaker 4: to make this happen, which is why I was coming
1:27:57
Speaker 4: to everybody from the Milwaukee Airport. But I'm getting the
1:28:02
Speaker 4: show messages as I'm going through security, and I'm getting
1:28:07
Speaker 4: random notes from Griffin saying like, no, we need to
1:28:12
Speaker 4: end this before there's another.
1:28:13
Speaker 5: Eric correct him. I'm like, what the fuck is happening.
1:28:18
Speaker 3: We're still We're gonna work. That's awesome, And finally we'll
1:28:28
Speaker 3: end with a really fun one from Benjamin krabs. Ryan,
1:28:30
Speaker 3: can you address allegations you're distantly related to the Gilgo
1:28:34
Speaker 3: Beach killer Rex Hureman. You look early similar. I'm gonna
1:28:38
Speaker 3: throw this up on screen. This does not look like Ryan.
1:28:42
Speaker 5: No, it does not.
1:28:43
Speaker 4: But people think that Ryan looks like Tate Reeves, who
1:28:47
Speaker 4: I could say, does look a little bit like the
1:28:50
Speaker 4: Gilgo Beach Killer. This is so Ryan Ryan. Yeah, put
1:28:56
Speaker 4: this up. Ryan owns this. He posts this on X
1:28:59
Speaker 4: all the time. I think it's unflattering comparison because I
1:29:01
Speaker 4: don't think it's I think I think Ryan's got some
1:29:05
Speaker 4: some real riz on Tate Reeves. But Ryan owns this comparison.
1:29:08
Speaker 4: I think it's the hair and the glasses when Ryan
1:29:10
Speaker 4: was doing Rising did look like this.
1:29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:29:13
Speaker 4: That the hair and makeup woman at Rising when we
1:29:16
Speaker 4: were co hosting there definitely gave Ryan the Tate Reeves.
1:29:20
Speaker 3: Wow. Well for for audio only listeners, Tate Reeves looks
1:29:26
Speaker 3: like if Ryan was not on ozem pic and high tea,
1:29:33
Speaker 3: this is a low t.
1:29:37
Speaker 4: He's the Republican was the Republican governor of Mississippi.
1:29:40
Speaker 3: So all right, well, I think on that note, that's
1:29:44
Speaker 3: going to do it for us on this Friday show.
1:29:46
Speaker 3: It was a Griffin and Emily show. We really we
1:29:48
Speaker 3: barely made it, but we did. We are here and uh,
1:29:52
Speaker 3: I think we did. Okay.
1:29:53
Speaker 5: I thought we did. Okay, I'd give us a five
1:29:55
Speaker 5: out of ten. I thought we.
1:29:56
Speaker 4: I was going to suggest we do a review of
1:29:58
Speaker 4: the new Army Hammer films Citizen Vigilante, Oh.
1:30:03
Speaker 3: An Ouie Bowl flick, So look forward to that potentially
1:30:08
Speaker 3: as a weekend clip sometime. Have you seen those clips?
1:30:11
Speaker 3: They're terrible, They're so bad.
1:30:13
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, they's so bad.
1:30:15
Speaker 3: The funniest part of all of it is that Armie
1:30:18
Speaker 3: Hammer says he cried when watching the footage. It's like, bro, like,
1:30:23
Speaker 3: how are you surprised you shot the footage?
1:30:25
Speaker 4: You're the one thing I didn't cover this on after Party.
1:30:28
Speaker 4: I was all over that leak to puck news from Army.
1:30:31
Speaker 4: Give me, I cried, such bug.
1:30:35
Speaker 3: Give me back on after party. We got to talk
1:30:37
Speaker 3: about it, all right, guys, everyone, enjoy your weekend and
1:30:39
Speaker 3: we'll see you back on Monday with a far more
1:30:41
Speaker 3: traditional Breaking Points program. And we'll see you all later.
1:30:46
Speaker 3: Bye bye,