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The Late Debate | 7 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the show. I'm Danica DiGiorgio, joined by Kayla Bond and
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  Speaker 1: broadcaster Lucy Zelich. Hi to both of you. Lucy, great
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  Speaker 1: to have you back.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back. I think that's the most
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  Speaker 2: important thing.
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  Speaker 1: We love having you on.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't scare you away last week.
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  Speaker 4: No, or conversely, I didn't scare you away.
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely not. No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, how was everyone's weekend?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: You know, went to a party. Apart from that, just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, same old, same old.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Caleb dressed up as Brian May for a dress-up party.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Why Brian May?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the theme was come as a rocker. Yep. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I like Queen, so I thought Brian May.
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  Speaker 2: That'll do. Good for you.
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  Speaker 1: Killer Queen.
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  Speaker 2: Good for you.
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  Speaker 1: Lucy, good weekend?
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  Speaker 4: Wonderful weekend, although I will say our house has been
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  Speaker 4: totally gripped by influenza.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 4: So I had to deal with two small kids, my children,
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  Speaker 4: then my sister who came to surprise us for a visit,
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  Speaker 4: then she copped it. And now my husband, God love him,
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  Speaker 4: he's got the man flu. He said to me yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: if I have to go another day like this, I
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  Speaker 4: might die. So I very politely said to him, how
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  Speaker 4: would you like to be buried.
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Man flu, man flu is... Absolutely a thing. All right,
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  Speaker 1: coming up tonight, should weight loss drugs be available on
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  Speaker 1: the PBS or should people just get healthy the old-fashioned way?
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  Speaker 1: Aussie dads are being locked out of bonding with their newborns,
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  Speaker 1: according to a new report. Is it time to extend
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  Speaker 1: paid parental leave for fathers? And Donald Trump becoming brunette
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  Speaker 1: was certainly not on my bingo card. What do you
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  Speaker 1: make of the president's new do? But first tonight, One
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  Speaker 1: Nation has announced a plan allowing people to access their
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  Speaker 1: superannuation early. Now, it would see renters and mortgage holders
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  Speaker 1: able to divert a quarter of their future compulsory super
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  Speaker 1: contributions into take home pay. So for a couple earning
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  Speaker 1: a combined $ 168, 000, the scheme would deliver about $ 4, 300 a
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  Speaker 1: year after tax. That's $ 82 a week. If you're an
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  Speaker 1: individual worker earning over $ 90, 000, they would pocket about $ 2, 300
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  Speaker 1: extra or $ 44 a week. Now, the proposed exemption would
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  Speaker 1: run for three years. Pauline Hanson says it's about choosing
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  Speaker 1: what you do with your own money.
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  Speaker 5: Those people that are working, are renters or paying a mortgage... will,
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  Speaker 5: by choice, can apply to their superannuation fund to withdraw
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  Speaker 5: up to 3%, one quarter of their superannuation, moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: Now Labor's come out saying, oh, the scheme is inflationary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, never mind their own outrageous spending, prompting this
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  Speaker 1: rebuke from Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 2: Would it be inflationary if, well, in the circumstances that
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  Speaker 2: you're tying the money up in a house payment, I
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  Speaker 2: can't see how the volume of money in the economy changes.
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  Speaker 2: would be exacerbated that much. OK, so not inflationary in
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  Speaker 2: your view?
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  Speaker 3: Undetectable.
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  Speaker 1: Now, allowing first-home buyers to access their super early was
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  Speaker 1: a policy taken to the last two elections by former
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  Speaker 1: Liberal leaders Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton, but the Liberal
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  Speaker 1: Party now is sceptical. Well, so far, it's a headline.
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  Speaker 4: If there's any more substance behind it, of course, everybody
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  Speaker 4: should be interested in looking at it and what it
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  Speaker 4: might mean, both for your retirement and to whether it
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  Speaker 4: is that you can pay your rent and pay your mortgage.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb, good or bad policy?
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  Speaker 3: I don't see the issue with it, really. I think,
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  Speaker 3: on the whole, it's better than being able to take
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  Speaker 3: money directly out of your super, because that is taking
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  Speaker 3: out money that is already earning money within your superannuation.
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  Speaker 3: What this is saying is that anything that's already in
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  Speaker 3: your super cannot be withdrawn. And it's on future payments.
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  Speaker 3: So you're not going backwards in any way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, it wasn't that long ago that the compulsory
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  Speaker 3: level of superannuation was 10%. Now it's 12%. So if
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  Speaker 3: you're taking 3%, you're still putting nine into your super,
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  Speaker 3: which isn't all that much different from what it used
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  Speaker 3: to be, to be quite frank. And if it gives
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  Speaker 3: you a little bit of extra money to put towards rent,
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  Speaker 3: which of course gives you a little bit of relief,
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  Speaker 3: or particularly if you have a mortgage, that can potentially
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  Speaker 3: save you on interest and you are literally putting money
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  Speaker 3: towards an asset that you will also have for your retirement,
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  Speaker 3: to have income for your retirement. So it's not as
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  Speaker 3: though you're not able to invest that money in some way,
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  Speaker 3: shape or form. I think particularly if it's going towards
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  Speaker 3: a mortgage, it makes complete sense.
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  Speaker 4: I think it makes complete sense if it's going towards
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  Speaker 4: a mortgage, not if it's going towards your rent.
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  Speaker 2: That's effectively money down the toilet, you could argue. It's
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  Speaker 2: a roof over your head, yes.
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  Speaker 4: And for those who are experiencing rental stress, it's something
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  Speaker 4: that they will absolutely need. And there are so many
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  Speaker 4: people who are crying out for cost of living assistance.
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  Speaker 4: You look at any polls that are being run, not
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  Speaker 4: just across Australia, but almost internationally across the major OECDs,
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  Speaker 4: the number one thing that is polling for people is
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  Speaker 4: cost of living. So One Nation are reading the room
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  Speaker 4: very well and they've acknowledged that this is something that
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  Speaker 4: they need to target and that is going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Music to the ears of millions of Australians.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think that when you cast your mind
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  Speaker 4: back and you touched on it there, Danika, about the
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  Speaker 4: coalition taking it to the last two federal elections, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you've got Jane Hume there who is very critical right
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  Speaker 4: off the bat any time she's asked about One Nation.
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  Speaker 4: But I have heard other members of the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 4: when questioned about this say, look, we actually need a
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  Speaker 4: bit more information. We need to see some modelling, some
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  Speaker 4: costing here. And I agree with that. We need to
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  Speaker 4: see more about whether or not this will be inflationary,
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  Speaker 4: the effect that it will have. But then Holly Hughes
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  Speaker 4: also made a good point and said, well, what's $ 80,
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  Speaker 4: $ 82 a week going to do, or $ 42 conversely, in
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  Speaker 4: terms of inflationary issues?
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  Speaker 2: And when we talk about inflationary issues.
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  Speaker 4: That's actually predominantly an issue for the government, right, who
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  Speaker 4: are contributing to that with their with their own, you know,
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  Speaker 4: habits of spending.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think that when we reflect on the election.
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  Speaker 4: That was the point that I was getting to, Peter Dutton,
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was a very well-devised scheme that he took.
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  Speaker 4: It was in his budget reply speech in October of 2022,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was, where he said, we would like
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  Speaker 4: to explore the option of super for housing, where people
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  Speaker 4: can withdraw 40%, which was the equivalent of about $ 50, 000,
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  Speaker 4: towards a house deposit. I think I tend to agree
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  Speaker 4: more with something like that than on anything to do
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  Speaker 4: with rentals, to be quite frank.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the problem with when both Peter Dutton and
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morrison announced their policies, I personally don't think that
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morrison prosecuted the case enough. It was announced in
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  Speaker 1: the dying days where they knew that they were going
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  Speaker 1: to lose that election. It was something that they put
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  Speaker 1: out at the 11th hour in the hope that they
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  Speaker 1: could woo over the young voters. And, of course, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't work. But even Peter Dutton, I do agree in
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  Speaker 1: that budget reply speech that he gave, great policy. But, again,
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  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party have never really pushed it on a
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  Speaker 1: big platform. Now, I agreed with that policy. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: good on you. You know what? I think that people
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  Speaker 1: should be given a choice. If you want to draw
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  Speaker 1: on your super in order to become a first home
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  Speaker 1: buyer to help you enter the market, I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely all for it. It's a very tough market
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  Speaker 1: to be out there. If you don't have the financial
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  Speaker 1: backing of mum and dad or you can't do it
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  Speaker 1: by yourself, I'm all for this. And I think One
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  Speaker 1: Nation have got a great policy idea. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is actually probably one of the only proper thought out
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  Speaker 1: policies that we've heard so far from One Nation. However,
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  Speaker 1: I do not agree with it fully. for rental purposes
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  Speaker 1: or to help pay for groceries. I think that this
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  Speaker 1: should only be used for housing purposes. If you're going
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  Speaker 1: to try and enter the market, if you're a first-home buyer, fantastic,
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  Speaker 1: then use this policy. But as far as rentals, groceries,
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  Speaker 1: helping with everyday items, I just don't really see the
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  Speaker 1: point in that.
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  Speaker 3: Why should a renter be disadvantaged, though? I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: is your money.
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  Speaker 1: It is your money.
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  Speaker 3: It is your money. So why shouldn't you be able
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  Speaker 3: to take a little bit of that to use it
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  Speaker 3: for your purpose? We're not talking about we're getting rid
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  Speaker 3: of super or that we'll take, you know, half of
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  Speaker 3: your super away. It is a small amount of money
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  Speaker 3: that you can only access for three years. So why
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  Speaker 3: should you not get a little bit of relief from
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  Speaker 3: your own money?
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  Speaker 1: Because if you are going to draw down on your super, Caleb,
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  Speaker 1: then shouldn't you be putting it to something that's actually
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  Speaker 1: going to have more better long-term... An asset. An asset,
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  Speaker 1: something for the long term, not just something that's going
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  Speaker 1: to see you through. Because in three years' time, say,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, once this scheme ends, you could still be
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  Speaker 1: in the same position that you were in three years before.
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  Speaker 1: Your money situation hasn't improved. And then where are you
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  Speaker 1: going to get your money from then?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you may be, but at least it is something
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  Speaker 3: to help you. I don't see how you can prosecute
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  Speaker 3: the case that people don't deserve a little bit of help.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody talks about tax cutters being inflationary, do they?
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  Speaker 1: They should, actually.
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  Speaker 3: But when we say you can get a bit of
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  Speaker 3: your own money back, well, suddenly it's inflationary.
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  Speaker 4: No, but let's elaborate on the point that Danika made
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  Speaker 4: because it's a really good one. So if after that
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  Speaker 4: three years you've used that money to help you get
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  Speaker 4: by and you end up in the exact same position
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  Speaker 4: that you were three years ago because you've got a
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  Speaker 4: hopeless government... energy costs through the roof, particularly for our elderly.
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  Speaker 4: So you've got two thirds of the nation of pension,
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  Speaker 4: of people that are on the pension, right? And now
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  Speaker 4: you're staring down a situation where they too are already
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  Speaker 4: struggling in their elderly years and being on the pension,
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  Speaker 4: it's not enough for them, Caleb. So Aaron Violi actually
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  Speaker 4: made some really fantastic points to Kieran Gilbert earlier today.
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  Speaker 4: He said, as a coalition, what we're also looking to explore,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought he handled it very well, rather than
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  Speaker 4: constantly jumping to criticise One Nation, he said, well, we'd
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  Speaker 4: like to see some costings and some modelling on this
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  Speaker 4: because we think it's sensible. And it would be hardly
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  Speaker 4: very kind of commonsensical of them to start hammering it,
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  Speaker 4: given that they have taken it to the election.
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  Speaker 2: The last two times.
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  Speaker 4: But he said what we're also exploring are other measures
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  Speaker 4: across the country, things like the cost of energy and
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  Speaker 4: other cost-of-living measures that we can look to try and
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  Speaker 4: reduce so that you can have people... who aren't just
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  Speaker 4: relying on these quick sugar hits to get the buy
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  Speaker 4: in an economy that is already struggling and that it's
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  Speaker 4: not serving the Australian people.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, it's not a one-shot that's going to fix the
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  Speaker 3: cost of living, but I think giving people more of
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  Speaker 3: their own money in general is a good thing. I
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  Speaker 3: think that when it.
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  Speaker 1: Comes to tax.
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  Speaker 2: is $ 80 going to help you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, in my case, I probably don't need it, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I'd be doing in this situation
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  Speaker 3: is I would be, assuming that they don't close this loophole,
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  Speaker 3: I would be taking my 3%... at the 15% concessional
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  Speaker 3: tax rate that you'll get it for superannuation as income.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm getting 3% of my super now at a 15%
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  Speaker 3: tax rate in my pay packet and then I would
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  Speaker 3: be salary sacrificing the equivalent money out of my take-home
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  Speaker 3: pay on which I'd be paying 50% tax and I
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  Speaker 3: would end up with more money in my superannuation count
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  Speaker 3: as a result. That's what I'd be doing and I'd
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  Speaker 3: end up further ahead because of it.
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  Speaker 4: But what about those people who can't afford to salary sacrifice, who.
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  Speaker 3: Are reliant on those funds? They might spend it on
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  Speaker 3: their mortgage. And I might do that as well. I
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  Speaker 3: might put it into my mortgage. They might spend it
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  Speaker 3: on their rent. But for three years, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's going to create a great inflationary issue. And it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't solve the broader economic issues in the country. No, correct.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't solve the problem, but at least it offers
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  Speaker 3: someone something. I mean, look, the government gave people a
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  Speaker 3: $ 5 a week tax cut, for heaven's sake. At least
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  Speaker 3: this is a real... $ 44 versus $ 5?
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  Speaker 1: But don't we want people to try and own their
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  Speaker 1: own homes, Caleb?
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course we want people to own their own home. Right, so...
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  Speaker 3: And so if you.
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  Speaker 1: So then what's the point of just plugging gaps, plugging
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  Speaker 1: gaps and just trying to put money towards rent or
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  Speaker 1: money towards groceries?
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  Speaker 3: Because if you've got $ 44 extra a week to put
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  Speaker 3: towards your rent, that's $ 44 you can find elsewhere to
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  Speaker 3: put in the account that you're putting together for your
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  Speaker 3: home deposit.
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  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say $ 44 is a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Because otherwise you're spending that money.
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  Speaker 1: $ 44 is not a lot.
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  Speaker 3: OK, well, let's make it zero then. Why should they
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  Speaker 3: get anything? Why should anyone get anything?
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, but I just think that if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to access your super, then shouldn't there
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  Speaker 1: be something that you could work towards for the future?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to withdraw, I'm going to have this much,
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  Speaker 1: a home deposit so I can get myself in a
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  Speaker 1: home and I can set myself up financially. Not getting by,
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  Speaker 1: getting by, getting by. Three years later, you're still up
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  Speaker 1: in the exact same situation.
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  Speaker 3: That you were in. 44 extra bucks to put into
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  Speaker 3: your home deposit. Look, I really don't think it's a
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  Speaker 3: big deal. I don't know whether you're speaking of big,
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  Speaker 3: literally big. And Ozempic, Munjaro, isn't that the other big one? Munjaro, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: These weight-loss jabs, right? The federal government is now considering
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  Speaker 3: putting them on the... Yes, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: they are doing work directly with the manufacturers of these
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  Speaker 3: drugs to try to get them onto the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't yet come up with a number that everyone
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  Speaker 3: is happy with in terms of what the payments would be,
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  Speaker 3: but the Health Minister, Mark Butler... says they're looking to
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  Speaker 3: do that. One of the reasons that they're apparently looking
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  Speaker 3: to do this is because a lot of people who
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  Speaker 3: are using these drugs, and they are quite expensive, and
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  Speaker 3: they've been told by the doctors, recommended by the doctors
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  Speaker 3: to get on them, because they either have to pay
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: full-taught odds or they have to get them online somewhere,
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  Speaker 3: they're paying a lot of money. And so what people
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  Speaker 3: are now doing is basically misusing them in some way.
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  Speaker 3: They're taking smaller doses... than they have been prescribed so
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  Speaker 3: they can try and eke it out longer. They're going
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  Speaker 3: online and buying all sorts of knock-offs because they're cheaper
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  Speaker 3: than the real thing. But their doctors are telling them
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  Speaker 3: to use things like Ozempic. Of course, not everyone in
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  Speaker 3: the medical community believes it should be on the pharmaceutical
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  Speaker 3: benefits scheme, and this is a controversial area. Here's one
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  Speaker 3: Dr Karen Spielman. This is her view on Ozempic, etc. Oh, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was a grab. That was a quote.
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  Speaker 3: I'm an idiot. It's super important, is the quote, to
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  Speaker 3: have these meds prescribed and monitored in the context of
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  Speaker 3: a trusting, whole-term, holistic, therapeutic relationship with a trusted GP.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this is the point, really. These drugs
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  Speaker 3: are here and they're here to stay. They have been
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  Speaker 3: very effective. And you know what? If it means people
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  Speaker 3: are not overweight and that means there's less of a
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  Speaker 3: health burden on our hospitals, et cetera, isn't that a
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  Speaker 3: good thing and worth a bit of public investment?
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  Speaker 2: I think this is utterly insane. I really do.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe I'm being too old school about this, but
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  Speaker 4: what happened to good old fashioned, just watch what you're
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  Speaker 4: putting in your mouth and get up off your ass
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  Speaker 4: and go for a run. Right. And I have actually,
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  Speaker 4: and I've observed people that have been on these weight
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  Speaker 4: loss drugs, Zempik, Wegovi, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say, number one, they don't look well.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say that here and now, because your body is
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  Speaker 4: being deprived of these nutrients. And Almost 10 times out
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  Speaker 4: of 10, and I'll say that with real assurance, once
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  Speaker 4: they've gone off them, the weight has just come back on.
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  Speaker 4: What we're also discounting with a lot of these drugs,
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  Speaker 4: and we mentioned some of the credible names there, News
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  Speaker 4: 24 ran a story last month which said effectively that
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  Speaker 4: hundreds of deaths were suspected of being linked to these
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  Speaker 4: weight loss jabs. And a lot of them were these high-profile,
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  Speaker 4: proper medications that are being prescribed with well-known names. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I have to be clear and say that they were
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  Speaker 4: suspected deaths and that these were the things that were
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  Speaker 4: being reported. But you had almost 150,000 people reporting having
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: adverse reactions and side effects to all of this. I
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: think it's insane that we've reached a point now where
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: people think that it's all too hard to go and
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: lose weight the good and proper and sustainable way. And
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: now they're just looking for this quick fix and this
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: quick jab. and that we should be forced now as
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: a taxpayer to subsidise this on the PBS, which we're
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: talking about. I think it's already racked up a $ 19. 5
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: billion bill, up over 7.5% from the previous year. OK,
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Big Pharma actually offers them rebates to the tune of,
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: I think it's $ 5.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: 3 billion.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: But ultimately now, so now we're looking to subsidise all
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: these influencers and all these lazy cows out there who
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: don't want to just take to the streets and do
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: it the right way?
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Is that right? I think you're absolutely spot on. And
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: the problem is, and what sort of a precedent does
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: it set? Like, I know people who have gone on
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: these weight loss drugs and they are thin, they're healthy,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: and they just want to lose a couple of kilos
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: before they go on their Euro summer, right? You put
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: this on the PBS, every man and their dog are
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: going to be using weight loss jabs when they don't
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: need it. And I've said this before, that Ozempic was
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: traditionally designed for type 2 diabetics.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Bingo!
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Type 2 diabetics, and yet somehow... Oh, no, I'm just
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: going to take the Olympic jab. Just need to lose
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a couple of kgs. Got a red carpet coming up, celebrities.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Got to look thin.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Got to do that. It actually promotes really bad culture,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: bad eating habits, bad dietary practices. I think it sets
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible precedent for the next generation, especially young
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: girls who are very vulnerable when it comes to food
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: as it is. And then... On top of it, we
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: as taxpayers have to fork it out because people can't
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: be bothered to get off on their backsides and go
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: to the gym and do it the old fashioned way. Now,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: tell me how that makes sense.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Because what you are describing is an issue of prescription.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: So what you're describing is overprescription. People who shouldn't be
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: on the drugs are being prescribed the drugs.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And that is an issue.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Largely, I think this happens because you have mobs that
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: set up. They've done it with with the medicinal marijuana
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: as well. They're based online. You never actually meet a
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: doctor in person. And they basically just tick the box
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: and they send it to you in the post, right?
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I think that should be stopped.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I think you should have to go and have a
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: physical examination with a doctor before they let you access
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: these drugs and they are prescribed to you. But if
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: your GP, your regular GP, thinks that this is of
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: benefit to you and will be beneficial for your health,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Why should we as a society not endorse that in
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: the same way that we endorse many other drugs on
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the PBS because we think it is for the public good?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, all the problems that are caused by obesity...
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: that in later life, you know, cardiovascular issues, joint issues,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff, that people then end up clogging
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: up the health system because it was not fixed when
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: they were younger. Now, yes, it is not the one-shot catch-all.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: It needs to be done in conjunction with other things
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: like healthy eating and an exercise regime and whatever. But
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: if it can be part of something that actually gets
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: people's weight down, is that not good for the public
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: purse in the long run because you have less people
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: coming through the system later in life with issues that
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: have been caused by chronic weight problems that they've had
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: since they were 20 and now they're 60?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: What's the threshold then? What should be the threshold that
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a person has to reach in order for this to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: go on the PBS and for them to be able
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to access it?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Well, it should be between you and your doctor, right?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And it should be a doctor that you have to
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: go and see in person... and that you have to
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: have a proper discussion with, not log on to the
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: website and say, I feel fat, give me the drug.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: No, no, Caleb, newsflash, the horse has already bolted, mate.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: People are going in and seeing their GP crying, you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: fat and I don't feel great in my body and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: can I just please have this to kind of get
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: me kick-started? And this is stories that I've heard from
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: women that have confessed to me that they're on the
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: weight loss jabs, right? They've gone to see their GPs,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: cried fat and said, I don't feel great, can I
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: please have a subscription to kind of kick-start my weight
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: loss journey?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: And that's what's happening. The horse has already bolted on this.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: It's already gone. So to sort of sit there... So
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that's a doctor issue.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I support the idea of actually giving it to people
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: with type 2 diabetes.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: We're staring down the barrel as a nation.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: We have 67%... of this nation, of our 28 million,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: so we're talking over 13 million people who fall in
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: the either overweight or obese category, right? And we've also
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: seen statistics emerge, I think it was in June this year,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: that said that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: You've got now one in four children are either overweight
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: or obese. That's a separate issue as well.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: We've got to talk about, A, what are the parents
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: feeding them, that, B, get them off these bloody iPads
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: and devices and get them playing in the street like
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: we did when our mothers screeched at us to come
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: in when the streetlights turned on. Use this scheme for
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: the people that actually need it. But we're way past
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: We are way past.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: You've got all these influencers and all these TikTok mums
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: who want to get in shape and lose a bit
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: of weight after having kids and whatever else who are
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: now accessing this. And how do you now arrest that?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: How do you solve this problem?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Are you going to go and police that now in
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: every single doctor's clinic?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's just easy for the doctors doctors
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to write a script these days because it's just a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: quick fix for somebody. It's just like, I need to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: lose weight. Yep, here you go. You know, not even
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: a trial of good eating, sending them to a nutritionist,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: trialling all the different things. And I'm sure there's many
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: doctors out there that do give other options as a
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: first go. But, you know, probably like you, Lucy, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: do know people who have gone on these drugs and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they get given it pretty easy and they're very healthy.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Very easily. I just think it's a recipe for disaster.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Do it the old-fashioned way. Get off your.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Get off your gusset and go out and do some
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: good work out in the street and put the cheeseburger down.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: All right, let's keep moving on now. Are you a dad?
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: By the way, happy Father's Day to everyone that celebrated yesterday,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: all the good men out there. We need our good
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: fathers to be strong, present figures in our lives. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: that's exactly what this latest report is talking about. Are
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: you a dad or a soon-to-be dad? Are you someone
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: that would have perhaps benefited from staying at home longer?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: With your children a lot more, did you want to
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: stay home with your children a lot more? Well, 1,200
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: dads were surveyed and they're saying that they're being locked
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: out of bonding with their newborns, with Australia ranking near
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: the bottom of the developed world when it comes to
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: paid parental leave for fathers. Australia ranks 34th out of
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: the 38 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries for
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: dedicated well-paid leave reserved for fathers, according to Movember and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: the Parenthood's More Time With Dads report. Almost one in
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: three dads took no parental leave at all, while the
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: majority of those who did take time off said it
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: just wasn't enough. More than half then said taking more
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: time off would actually put their careers at risk. So
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: full caveat, I'm hearing my old university tutor in the
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: back of my mind always saying, be cautious of polls
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: and surveys. Make sure you tell everyone how many people
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: were polled and the demographics. 1,200 dads were surveyed for this. 56%
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: said it wasn't enough time, while 70% said it also
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: had a positive impact on the family unit and mental health.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And here's what journalist Georgie Dent had to say about
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Dads are main characters in families. They're not cameos. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: we need policy settings that reflect that. So when a
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: couple is having a baby, it is a radical transformation.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: And the evidence is so clear that when we support
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: both parents to be there in that first year, the
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: benefits are profound for babies, but also for the mental
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: health and.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Wellbeing of both mums and dads. OK, it's very difficult
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to find fault with Georgie's saying there.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: My dad, I don't know about you, Danika, my dad
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: wasn't around a lot back when I was growing up
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: and it's because he worked.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: He provided for the family.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Mum was allowed to be at home to look after
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: us and raise us. And my husband also wasn't afforded
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: much maternity paternity leave, should I say, in the early
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: years in my daughter's life. I think he had about
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: two weeks off before he had to go back to work.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And with my son as well, COVID had hit.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: So we were kind of, I guess, lucky, almost a
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: strange term to use during that period. But he was
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: allowed to be home with us. But how do you feel?
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Do you feel that you would have benefited more from
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: your dad being at home with you?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think it would have made a difference and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm very grateful to have grown up in a loving
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: household with both mum and dad, you know, regardless of this.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And I do have a degree of sympathy for fathers
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: out there who do want to spend a lot more time.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But the reality is, is I don't agree with us
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: forking out more money as taxpayers to put more money
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: towards fathers getting paternity leave when they are afforded enough
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: as it is. And it's different as a mother, Lucy, when.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: The baby needs its mother because the mother needs to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: be able to feed the baby. So it's completely different.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You know, there's no parents are equal, but the mother
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: needs to be there for that newborn at all times. Look,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I just think that dads also want to be able
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to provide for their children. I think dads want to say,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you know what, hon, you stay home. You've got to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: feed this baby. You've got to look after the kid.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I need to go out there and work because I've
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: got to put food on the table. And I almost
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: think that this scheme is a little bit counterintuitive, intuitive,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to be honest.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I think anything that might encourage people to have children
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: should be investigated. Now, this is one option. There's 100
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: different things we could look at here. But I think
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: anything that might encourage people to have children is worth
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: a look at. I mean, the birth rate in Australia
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: now is 1.48 children per woman, right? The replacement rate
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: is 2.1 children per woman. we are so far below
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: where we need to be just to maintain our current population. Now,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: of course, the answer we keep being given to that
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: is migration. But, of course, the issue with migration is
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: that when you bring someone into this country, say a
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: 40-year-old moves to Australia, he's not paid any tax in
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: this country, he or she, between the ages of, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: whenever they go to work, say 14-odd and 40. So
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of time, a lot of tax money
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: that we've missed out on. But when that 40-year-old at
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the age of 65 or 66 or 67 decides to retire,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: his cost to the taxpayer is going to be exactly
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: the same, if not more, than someone who was born
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in this country. So we might have to spend a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: little more money at the beginning on getting people to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: have children in this country, and it may well mean
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that we pay less at the other end.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: But is this solving the problem of having more kids, though?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Anything that might encourage people to have more kids is
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a good thing. If it makes it easier to be
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: a parent, I think it's potentially worth investigation. Another thing
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Georgie Dent suggested was basically doubling the government's parental scheme.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: From the 1st of July, families have access to 26
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: weeks of paid parental leave at the minimum wage, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: one month of that, or four weeks, is reserved for
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: dads or the non-birthing partner.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: We would like to see that expanded. We would like
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: to see the whole.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Ultimately, we would like 52 weeks of paid parental leave
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: at a replacement wage rate that can be shared between parents.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: That is ambitious, but.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: It is what the evidence shows us delivers the best
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: returns for babies, but also for parents.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Now, maybe it's parental leave. Maybe it's a tax splitting
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: scheme where you can have a parent at home by
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: basically halving the income tax that the working parent has
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to pay by splitting it across both parents. Income splitting, yeah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Look, I just think we need to have an open
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: mind about these things. because we have a problem as
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it is in terms of having children.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think this is going to fix the
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: historic birth rate situation that we're in with all due.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I think, fair enough, that you say that we've got
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: to explore all avenues, but having Dad home for maybe
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: four months, which I know that some dads have been
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: able to access, friends of ours, and they said it
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: was a wonderful time in their lives.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, absolutely. But you know what? Here's a phrase
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that not a lot of people hear enough of. You
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: can't have it all.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: No.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So now you want to have... And that's fine. And
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I would be the first.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: As a mother who was very much loved and revelled
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: in motherhood, I would love us to have a longer
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: period in time available to mothers in particular to stay
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: at home and to bond with their children.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Now we have a culture where you've got Anthony Albanese
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: who's pushing universal childcare and shove your kids in childcare.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Mark Butler saying that they're going to have a better
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: time in childcare than they would with grandparents or that
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: stable figure in life when you've got psychologists like Erica
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Commissar from the States who say that it's so detrimental
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: to put children in before they're three years of age.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: It does nothing good for them neurologically and for their
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: stress and cortisol levels. But already now we spend $ 4. 8
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: billion a year on the paid parental scheme. Factor in
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: then $ 16 billion on childcare subsidies. Then you've got the
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: news that came out of the FinReview recently which is
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: talking about the fact that because these types of schemes
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: aren't means tested you've got families who were earning over
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: three hundred thousand dollars who are benefiting from these paid
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: parental leave schemes as well as child care subsidies i
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: mean this is just insane it's money on top of
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: money on top of money and then you wonder why
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: we're in over a trillion dollars of debt so i
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: think absolutely do more to support a parental figure to
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: stay at home but How much more do we want, dads? Like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: are they arguing for 26 weeks, six months? I mean,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: put a figure out there. And then with that figure comes.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Attached a lot of taxpayer money. Is that right?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Is that just? I agree with you. I think there
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: needs to be a broader conversation about childcare and allowing...
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: mums to stay at home for a lot longer. It
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: opens up a different conversation. Look, let's move on because
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you may have seen the hysterical headlines over the weekend
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that blackface is alive and well in Australia after this
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: lady popped up at the football. If we could just
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: bring up the photo of her in the audience first.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Here we go. This is the picture that probably flooded
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: your social media feeds over the weekend. Oh, blackface apparently. No, actually.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: This was 59-year-old Colleen A. fan of the AFL. She
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: was at the Western Bulldogs game over the weekend and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: she was actually dressed as a crow. This is the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: full costume. But of course, the left were absolutely in hysterics. Now,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Colleen is a member of the cheer squad and she's
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: been taken aback by all the negative publicity that she
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: has received. She said, quote, I just thought it would
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: be more realistic to have black paint on her skin.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: That's why I've got black gloves as well. Well, look,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: who can blame her? The woman just went in a costume,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: dressed as a black crow, to go and see her team,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the Crows, play. Now, there's so much to unpack with this. Firstly,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I love it that the left's initial thought was racism.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: As soon as you see somebody with, you know, painted
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: with a black face, the left automatically went to, aha,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that must be racist. Instead of actually thinking, okay, is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: there a different context? Why would she be in, why
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: would she have her face painted black? at a Crows game,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: have a think about the bigger picture, the bigger circumstances,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: but no, no, no, the left as a whole always,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: love to jump on the race Beijing bandwagon. In fact,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: we saw this only a couple of weeks ago in
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a Target ad over in the United States when a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: young black boy was dressed in as a, what was it?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: He was dressed as a clown, I believe, for Halloween
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and the left went, oh, well, he's representative of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: minstrel era. He's doing some sort of Jim Crow outfit.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they had to pull it from the shelves.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: They had to pull it and then Target went panic mode,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: we better pull it from the shelves and issued a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: giant big apology. I mean, for goodness sake. What does
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: it say about the left when they're constantly jumping to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: these ridiculous conclusions? I mean, are we going to ban
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Crow costumes next? You can't wear a black costume with
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: a black bird on it because apparently that could be blackface, Lucy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I am dying, please, to defer to Caleb on this
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: because he's our resident Crows fan.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Please tell us about her. We have to know about her.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: She's a big member of the Crows cheer squad. I
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: think it was in 2018. She was recognised by the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: AFL Fans Association as, like, the biggest AFL fan in
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the country for the year, right?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: So she's very well-known for those fans.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, but part of the cheer squad for
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a very long time. And I think, you know, would
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I go to the football in that costume with my
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: face done up in back? Probably not, because I would
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: have foreseen that this might have happened. But you've got
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: to look at the intent here, right? Like, I might
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: have thought twice about it because, oh, I know people
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: are just going to go nuts.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Isn't that sad too?
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I know. So you go, OK, I won't do it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: But why can't people just look at the intent? Clearly
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: there is no racist intent there. I mean, blackface is
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: a very specific thing. It was perpetrated upon black people,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: and I say that, you know, it was to exclude
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: black people from the screen. White people dressing up as
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: black people because they didn't want to give black people
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: jobs on screen, basically, right? That's not what that is.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: She's not put blackface on to make a point about
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: racial politics. She's painted herself up as a crow, for
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: God's sake. Like, can't we all just go, yeah, you know, whatever,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: move on. Like, it was not meant to be racist
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form. If she wanted it
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: to be racist, she wouldn't have been dressed as a crow.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I thought it was brilliant. Do you know why?
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Because it was a fantastic lesson for everybody, left or right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: And I've certainly been beating this drum since the Swans
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: players were dragged into that scandal. None of us know
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: what happened in that room, yet everyone had an opinion
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: about it, right? And in this instance, I just feel
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: like it's so emblematic of the culture that we're in now,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: that instant reaction. We've all become outrage merchants, and the
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: second we see something, we're so quick to take to
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: social media to vent out our frustration, support or condemnation,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: when what we should do, and that's why this has
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: been fabulous, is actually just sit back and take a beat.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Try and understand the context of something and actually get
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: your head around.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It before you react. I think it's been brilliant.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Because now everyone that's been so quick to be outraged
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: over this, they look like fools.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: That's what I love about it, Danika.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I agree. They absolutely do look like fools when she
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: came out with her full costume. They were forced to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: almost backpedal. It was a complete and utter embarrassment. But
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: is this not a lesson in... Don't just look at
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: it for what it is. Have a think about the context.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But again, the left, they don't quite, they don't quite
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: look outside of the box. It's just an opportunity to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: virtue signal.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Well, they might want to look at a map, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: where we do, are those races, are maps racist? The
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: UN General Assembly has now voted to change all the maps.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: So, you know, when you look at a map and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: it's a flat map of the world, maybe you didn't realise,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: but you're not actually looking at the real size of
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: all of those countries. Just think about it for a moment.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: The world is a globe, right? And so what you
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: are doing is taking a spherical image, it's a round image,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and you're putting it flat on a piece of paper
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: or a piece of cardboard or something on the wall,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, which necessarily means that some things are
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: going to be distorted. So the bits in the middle
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: around the equator, when you flatten it out on the map,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: look smaller than they really are. And the bits on
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the extremities like Australia and New Zealand and Canada and things,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: they end up looking larger because it's just what happens
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: when you try to put it on a flat map.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: But no, this now has to be changed because it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: a bit of the colonial past. And the poor African
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: nations feel like they've been let down as a result
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: of this. The UN has put out a statement. They
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: said the General Assembly today took an important step towards
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: correcting distortions in commonly used world maps, particularly the Mercator projection,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: which has seen misrepresenting the relative size of continents and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: contribute to a diminished perception of Africa and other equatorial regions.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: And it goes on to say that to Russia in particular...
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: supported this because it was consistent with its advocacy for
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: overcoming the legacy of colonialism and for combating the practice
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: of neo-colonialism. Therefore, they support African states' independent efforts to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: restore historic justice and strengthen Africa's role as one of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: the unique and influential centres of the contemporary multipolar world.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Oh! The size of the country on the map, that's
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the real problem here when it comes to colonialism and racism. See,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: it's just because they're near the equator.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: This is really bad.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: And it's that bad it's good, almost, so that we
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: can actually have a chuckle about it, because they've run
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: out of so many options. So many options now have
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: been exhausted that they now have to resort to, you
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: know what, now the map is racist, you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Bunch of bigots!
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Gosh, seriously.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: What does it say about the UN and who is
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: running the UN? A bunch of absolutely useless fools. Seriously,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: they are good for nothing. We're going to take a
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: quick break. Coming up next, speaking of weight loss jabs,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: which Victorian prisoner is getting Oz and Pick courtesy of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the taxpayer? That's next. Welcome back. Let's take a look
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: at tomorrow's front pages, starting with the Herald Sun. Gee,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: how's this one? Exclusive taxpayers fund Ozempic treatment for triple
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: murderer Erin Patterson as she sits in solitary confinement on
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: life sentence. The headline, mushroom cooks fat jabs. That's a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: good one. Triple murderer Erin Patterson has been approved for
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: taxpayer funded Ozempic with the infamous mushroom cook recently starting
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the weight loss jabs campaign. as she serves a life
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: sentence behind bars. Oh, well, you know... Yeah, we've just
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: been talking about the dangers of putting weight-loss jabs on
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the PBS, but never mind. Victoria's already a step ahead.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Taxpayer-funded AusMPIC for a triple murderer. Terrific.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: But, so, you're essentially... You get more rights in this
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: case as a prisoner.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Because if you are out on the outside... You have
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to pay full-toed odds for your ozempic. But Aaron Patterson.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Not according to you.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: You won it on the PBS.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but as it stands, Aaron Patterson in the clink gets.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: It for free.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Would you support this?
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Try and make that... No, because even on the PBS,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: you still have to pay something towards it. I mean,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: make that make sense. Seriously. I mean, I thought the
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: idea of prison was that you sort of lost some rights.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: You don't get the privileges of people on the outside. But, no, no,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: off to jail you go, have some free Ozempic.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, and some gender reassignment surgery too, sprinkle that in there.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Whatever we can do for you on the taxpayer's dime.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe they could fit an extra person in her cell,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and we know in Victoria... Well, not if she's that big,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: they can't. Well, that's why they've got to put her
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: on the Ozempic. You know, they need the prison space
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: in Victoria. There may be a legitimate reason for it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: They're all that fat in their cells and we can't
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: fit anyone in there anymore.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: There you go. That's it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've got another story. Why is no-one speaking? That's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: because I'm meant to speak. Sorry. Danger of WFH laws.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Leading constitutional lawyers have warned Victoria's work-from-home laws are all
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: but certain to be thrown out by the High Court
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: if they become legislation. The new legal analysis came as Premier...
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Ben Carroll declared the laws would pass Parliament, so it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: dead in the water before it has even began. And fantastic,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: because in the end, work from home should be something
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that you, as an employee, discuss with your employer. It
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: should not be something that is decided to you, decided
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: upon by the Labor government, who are absolutely killing small
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: business in the state as it is.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Labor government, or aka the commies. Because that's what it
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: feels like. The commies, they're deciding everything for us.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: What we can see online.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Whether you can work from home or not, it's just
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: the overreach is getting further and further, those tentacles, Caleb.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Comrade.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: We shall see where the chips fall, shall we? I
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: look forward to that case in the High Court.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: We'll call each other comrades from now on.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Go on, George Orwell, take us through.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Comrade Chairman Dan, of course, is running the show down there. Was,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I should say. Was. Though maybe, who knows? Not any
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: more with Ben Carroll in charge. No, when it was
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Jacinta Allen, it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Was a bit rougher.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: On the front of the Australian tomorrow, top cop Albanese's
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: green ride. Climate change and energy minister Chris Bowen has
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: declared he wants to spearhead Australia's green power revolution for
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: a third term and committed Anthony Albanese to attending his
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: first cop as prime minister, cementing Mr Bowen's policies at
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the heart of Labor's 2028 election campaign. Mr Bowen, who
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: will become the nation's longest serving energy minister in the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: second half of next year, said the nation had benefited
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: from someone working in such a complicated portfolio for five years.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: With Australia in charge of COP31 negotiations under a compromise
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: deal with host nation Turkey, Mr Bowen also said Mr
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Albanese's attendance at the UN Climate Change Conference in November
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: would show the world how serious Australia was about leading
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: global environmental action. Isn't that nice to know? Aren't we
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: so glad we've had Chris Bowen nearly five years in
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the job.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Aw, thanks, Chris.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: It just makes me feel good, doesn't it?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: All warm and fuzzy inside. And thank you so much, Chris,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: for saying that you will spearhead for a green power
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: revolution for a third term. Thank you. That makes me
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: feel great.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: It makes us all feel fantastic, doesn't it? Even so
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: much so, the rusted-on Labor supporters who I speak to
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: who absolutely cannot stand this guy, even they don't like him.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: So that tells you everything that you need to know.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, this ideological pursuit, this fantasy that they have
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: of trying to control the weather and then justify it
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: by saying that he's spearheading it and taking us into
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: this green revolution, which is costing us billions and billions
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: of dollars and not rendering a single result, that's actually
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: embarrassing now, is it not?
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's shocking. Indeed.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Another story on the front of the Oz. Spotlight on
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: taxpayer grant as Hanson insists ICE allegations a personal matter
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: One Nation's frontman in Victoria, Warren Pickering, was ordered to
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: repay $ 13, 500 of a first homeowner grant, raising further doubt
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: about his capacity to lead the party to November state election.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: The revelation will intensify pressure on Mr Pickering and Pauline
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Hanson over confronting allegations by his former live-in partner that
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: he regularly smoked ice and indulged in professional sexual... professed,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I should say, not professional, rather different, sexual deviance while
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: they were together between 2000 and 2018. As Senator Hanson
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: moved to distance herself from the embattled One Nation state
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: leader who went to ground on Monday after the Australian
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: published Joe Scott's bombshell claims, the far-right party's MP, Barnaby Joyce,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: appeared to concede that Mr Pickering had used illicit drugs. Now,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I suppose the issue here is, one, these are the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: allegations of one woman who is an ex-partner and clearly
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: is aggrieved because she's taken it to the newspaper. But also,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: do we expect, on the whole, politicians or potential politicians
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: to be 100% squeaky clean all the time? I think
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: there are some offences that you would certainly say, look,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I don't want them anywhere near politics. But do we
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: expect that everyone has a squeaky clean record in order
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: to go into politics?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: No, we don't.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: And I don't I don't really think that when you
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: consider if this is something that's going to affect One
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Nation supporters or affect how they vote, who they vote for,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: I think we're beyond that now. I think we're at
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: the point now where people are so disgusted by the
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: uni parties and that this is not just a protest vote,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: but an opportunity for them to appeal to.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Change, to look for something that's changed.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: And meaningful change to them, I don't think this is
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: going to affect them, to be honest.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: No, and it's worth mentioning, of course, that Mr Pickering
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: denies all of the allegations that have been levelled against him.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: But in the end, this is not going to change
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: One Nation voters. Remember there was that incident with somebody
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: else in the party? What was it a couple of
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: months back? I know the Oz was pursuing it quite heavily.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: There was allegations against another one. Anyway, somebody within the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: One Nation party. And it didn't do anything to the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: voter base.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Nothing.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Nothing at all. Nothing at all. Because if you're going
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to vote for One Nation, you're voting for something completely
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: different to what the other parties are going to, that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: are offering right now. And I don't think something like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: this makes any difference at all. But interesting that they
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: announced their policy today on the same day that this
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: was dropped.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: The art of distraction.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: The art of distraction.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Moving to the front page of The Daily Telegraph tomorrow, and,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: of course, it's all about.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Finals footy fever, but how about this for a yarn?
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely gobsmacking.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Teen gangster was charged 94 times and never convicted.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Court napping is the headline. A brilliant one there.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: A teen gangster at the centre of Sydney's ferocious underworld
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: war has been charged 94 times and never convicted.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: It comes as furious police vented over.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: the way the court system treated young, hardened criminals and
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Premier Chris Minns vowed new laws to stop the violence.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Can he though, Caleb?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: That's the question.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Well, seriously, you've got to have the want and the
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: gumption to do it, right? How do you have a
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: situation like that? You know, 94 times charged and never convicted.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, either the coppers have got the wrong man
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: lots and lots and lots of times or he keeps
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: getting away with it. I mean, how does that happen?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Seriously. Well, I just think it's an absolute indictment on...
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: on our justice system and we say this every night.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I want to take a quick look at the advertiser.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: There's Bruce right at the top. A very special night.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: McEvaney Phillips among inductees in South Australia's footies. Whole, I mean,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: good on him and very well deserved.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Beautiful man.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: What an excellent icon. You would know him very well,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: of course. Just a real icon.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: And a really beautiful man. A great operator, someone that's
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: been so dedicated to the job for years.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Great South Australian as well, which is really important. That's right.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That's the important one. He's got to get that one in.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a quick break. I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: thought blondes have more fun, but not according to Donald Trump,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: who's got a whole new do. I didn't expect this one.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That's next. Oh, welcome back. Well, this wasn't on my
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: bingo card, Caleb. Trump's changed his do.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's very strange, isn't it? He's been photographed getting off
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the plane, going to his golf course at Bedminster, and
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: his hair looks noticeably different. Take a look at this.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And you can just see it there. We'll get the
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: full thing up. It is darker. And you might say, oh, well,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: it's just, you know, it's just the photography or whatever.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: But all of these photos... appeared to show his hair
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: much darker than it normally is. His hair also looks
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: completely different. I'm willing to forgive that because I think
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: he's in the wind there getting off the plane. So,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: you know, his hair's being blown about a bit. but
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: it looks a lot darker than his normal blonde locks.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Has he been off to the hairdresser to get a
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: little do done?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I reckon what he's done is he's had one of
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: those comb jobs, right, where they put a bit of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: colour on the comb and they just put it through
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the bloke's hair just so it just tries to... A
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: bit of a freshen up? A bit of a freshen up.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: And it's just not quite sitting right because you can
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: see at the back it looks particularly black.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: It does, but I'm not going to lie, I think
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: it suits him better. I think he looks better darker. Yeah,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I do. That kind of like, you know, that.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: You don't think it looks too obvious now?
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Well, because the other dude didn't.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I thought the other one was a bit seamless.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Touche.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Touche. It's a shocker.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Well, this is quite opposite of seamless.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Have you ever been skydiving or fancied yourself someone that's
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: a bit of a daredevil? Well, 35-year-old Holly Whiffen, she's
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: recovering home on crutches after a group dive last month when.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: That is insane.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But the more insane part out of this is that
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: she's willing to do it all over again.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Well, here she is.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Take a look.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: I remember leaving the plane and then I remember waking
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: up on the ground and looking up and seeing my
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: reserve in a tree and I thought something's gone wrong
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: here and looked down to see my broken leg and
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: then people started arriving and I remember that the first
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: thing I said was help me get my kit off
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: before the paramedics cut it off of me but it
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: turns out that yeah I got knocked out at about
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: 12,000 feet by another skydiver.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: So not even after all of that was she, you know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: put off.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: By the idea of going at it again.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: The daredevils, that's what it is. The absolute daredevils. Now, look,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: this isn't something that you see every day, but a
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: cop in New South Wales, he didn't quite have a
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: day at work where he was out catching crims or anything.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: He was doing this instead. Yes, he was actually trying
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to shoo an emu off the road. Now, if that
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't scream Australia, nothing does.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Speaking of daredevils, I mean, that's pretty gnarly, going after
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: an emu, because an emu could turn around and go...
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: We have the emu war in this country, remember? The
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: emu war. And the emus won!
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: It's a police officer. If you're afraid of an emu,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: then you probably shouldn't be on that job.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Don't be a cop.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: At least you've got a cassowary. They're bloody deadly, those things.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: But still.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Your knowledge of birds is as impressive as a 59-year-old
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Colleen at the Crows game, Caleb. I know.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Yee-hoo!
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: All right, we've got to go, Lucy, Caleb. Thank you.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you at home. Coming up next is the Rita
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Panahy show. Good night.