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Hope After Loss with Marcia Earhart · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Papists podcast. My name is gaming Person.
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Speaker 2: Five four, three.
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Speaker 1: Two and one folks, Welcome back to the podcast. Very
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Speaker 1: excited to have my guest today, Marcia Earhart Marsha, Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it guy, great meet you.
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Speaker 2: Awesome.
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Speaker 1: Marcia is the co founder of the Sterling Rose Sanctuary,
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Speaker 1: a five oh one c three created after the heartbreaking
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Speaker 1: loss of her sons, Sterling and Mark. A seasoned counselor
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Speaker 1: with more than thirty years of experience, Marsia guides people
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Speaker 1: through grief and trauma using heart Sink, a christ Center
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Speaker 1: healing approach focused on restoring connection within the heart and
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Speaker 1: with God. Her work is grounded in faith, the presence,
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Speaker 1: and the belief that deep emotional pair is possible even
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Speaker 1: after devastating loss. Art Marsha, you just a little bit
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Speaker 1: about you show with the listeners, where you're from originally
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Speaker 1: and where you are currently, and we will dive in.
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Speaker 3: I'm originally from Raleigh, North Carolina, lived there most of
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Speaker 3: my life, and I'm a Floridian. Now we've been here
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Speaker 3: about fourteen and a half years and have loved it
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Speaker 3: and have just been thriving in the places I'm called
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Speaker 3: to be awesome.
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Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, So let's dive in.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how did all this start? Obviously I spoke
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Speaker 1: a little bit about in the bio. But what happened?
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Speaker 3: We moved to Florida in twenty eleven, and our oldest son, Sterling,
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Speaker 3: moved to go to law school in twenty thirteen, and
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Speaker 3: so we had not been in Florida long and he
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Speaker 3: had a tragic car accident while he was at law
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Speaker 3: school and died immediately and happened.
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Speaker 2: To I'm sorry, you broke up right?
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Speaker 3: He had what a car accident?
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Speaker 2: A car accident, Yeah, a.
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Speaker 3: Single car accident, and he died instantly. And he had
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Speaker 3: the police show up at our home on February fourteenth
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Speaker 3: at one fifty one two o'clock in the morning, and
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Speaker 3: they informed us that he would no longer be coming home.
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Speaker 3: And life implodes in that moment. Who we all were
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Speaker 3: in that moment?
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Speaker 1: Guy died.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's important for people to allow that
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Speaker 3: to happen, because I'm never going to be the woman
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Speaker 3: that I was with my son here because he's not here.
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Speaker 3: But there is a place for transformation. And so we
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Speaker 3: had to be very honest with ourselves that who we
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Speaker 3: were as a family, our dreams, the way we perceived
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Speaker 3: life to be in that moment no longer would be,
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Speaker 3: and to step in that with our children, our younger children.
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Speaker 3: They were devastated. Their brother was not just a sibling
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Speaker 3: to them, but he was their mentor, he was everything
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Speaker 3: to them. And there he wrote and so now life
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Speaker 3: is going to change in ways that children were not
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Speaker 3: prepared to change because they no longer were able to
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Speaker 3: be a child. Their childhood in that moment ended, and
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Speaker 3: so we had to purposefully intentionally walk with them on
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Speaker 3: how to navigate through the pain and the loss of
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Speaker 3: something so profound and help them with resources to do so.
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Speaker 3: And so we were very present. I was very present
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Speaker 3: for my family in that season of life, as I
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Speaker 3: had a lot of skills and tools myself in knowing
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Speaker 3: how to deal with loss and brief So it became
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Speaker 3: something that they were applying and we sat down and
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Speaker 3: we would talk about the things that triggered each of
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Speaker 3: us versus the things that were healing. And the reason why, guys,
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Speaker 3: because what was healing some things that were healing to
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Speaker 3: me maybe triggering to someone else in my family and
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Speaker 3: vice versa. So we found that pretty quickly that even
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Speaker 3: a picture was triggering for some family members where others
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Speaker 3: of us really wanted his pictures on display, and other
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Speaker 3: failings like that is very triggering and causing more harm.
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Speaker 3: So we had to find a space where can we
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Speaker 3: have the picture that we get healing, but you're not
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Speaker 3: being triggered, And so all of those become a reality
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Speaker 3: of life now as it was, and so we started
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Speaker 3: that journey and kind of fast forwarding through the journey,
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Speaker 3: I would say twenty nineteen was kind of when my
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Speaker 3: youngest son was getting in a place where he was
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Speaker 3: not being triggered at every occasion, Christmas, birthdays, into a
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Speaker 3: state of depression. And so we made it through September,
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Speaker 3: which was my oldest son, Stirling's birthday, and we didn't
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Speaker 3: have a trigger, and we got to our birthdays. My
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Speaker 3: son and I have the same birthday in October, and
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Speaker 3: there was no trigger, and so we were just praising
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Speaker 3: God and I was just like, thank you Lord, we
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Speaker 3: have entered into a new place. And within ten days
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Speaker 3: my second son, Mark was murdered with his girlfriend from
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Speaker 3: an estranged boyfriend from a year and a half who
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Speaker 3: flew in from Baltimore and killed the two of them,
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Speaker 3: leaving their six month old baby daughter alone in the house,
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Speaker 3: and they were found forty hours later. So we started
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Speaker 3: the story again to say the.
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Speaker 1: Least, Marcia, what I mean, Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 3: No words, No, I don't think there are words, because
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Speaker 3: one first loss in and of itself is kind of wordless.
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Speaker 3: It takes your breath. We had started the Sanctuary in
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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen because the Lord called it to come into being,
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Speaker 3: to really reach back and help other people who had
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Speaker 3: gone through profound loss. And it really started to be
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Speaker 3: for parents and siblings because Guy, we looked out to
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Speaker 3: see if there was a place we could go. There
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Speaker 3: was no place for a family. They could take a
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Speaker 3: husband and wife, and they would take your children by themselves.
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Speaker 3: My kids didn't want to be taken to some no,
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Speaker 3: so we started that and then in twenty twenty, because
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Speaker 3: of the magnitude of losses that we experienced in the world,
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Speaker 3: our board came back and said, Okay, you need to
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Speaker 3: do this for everyone. So the two losses, one in
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Speaker 3: a tragic car accident, the other being murdered. There are
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Speaker 3: very two types of losses. So for us, the one
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Speaker 3: with the murder, that's someone who made a decision to
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Speaker 3: take someone else's life and that was plan plotted. However,
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Speaker 3: and to let you know, just a week and a
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Speaker 3: half ago, guy that court case just came into the
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Speaker 3: courtroom for the first time. It's been six years, and
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Speaker 3: that man was found guilty on all four counts and
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Speaker 3: they will do the sentencing on December eighth as to
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Speaker 3: what he actually will have to serve. So we were
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Speaker 3: not there. I want to make it clear why were
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Speaker 3: we not there, Well, because we were doing the things
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Speaker 3: we're called to do, which I'm here to be available
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Speaker 3: for other people who are grieving. All of that was
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Speaker 3: already determined. We had already had a ruling in the
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Speaker 3: courts of heaven, and however it goes on here on earth. Really,
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Speaker 3: I mean, and that's toxic information. I didn't need to
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Speaker 3: see the pictures. I didn't need to know the details.
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Speaker 3: I think we have to be very wise and discerning
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Speaker 3: as individuals, as to what we subject ourselves to. That
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Speaker 3: was a choice our family could make. We were prayerful
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Speaker 3: over the courtroom hearing. We lifted everybody up. We prayed
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Speaker 3: for discernment and wisdom, and we saw that where it
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Speaker 3: was delivered. But we did not need to be in
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Speaker 3: the present space with them. And it'll be the same
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Speaker 3: thing on December eighth. We will not be present for incenencing.
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Speaker 3: I would like someday to have a conversation with that
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Speaker 3: young man by myself. What I need to say to
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Speaker 3: him is not for an audience to hear, not for
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Speaker 3: a judge to hear. It really is between the Lord,
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Speaker 3: myself and that young man.
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Speaker 1: If I may, you sound as though you're saying that,
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Speaker 1: as if people are judging you for not being there.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there are people that don't understand why
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Speaker 3: there you go?
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Speaker 2: I'm sure, I mean, you know, like.
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Speaker 3: Why, I'm sure. And there are people that think that
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Speaker 3: our life has been hinged on that moment, and what
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Speaker 3: I need to say is based on our faith. My
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Speaker 3: life isn't hinged on that moment. My life is hinged
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Speaker 3: on Jesus. And I wouldn't be where I am guy
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Speaker 3: if it weren't because he He has brought such a
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Speaker 3: sustenance and healing to my life to be able not
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Speaker 3: to just do what I do, but also to not
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Speaker 3: be triggered by the things that I do, because I
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Speaker 3: hear some horrific stories worse than mine all week long,
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Speaker 3: and their stories are their stories. So I want to
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Speaker 3: be in their space. I want to I want to
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Speaker 3: honor that place that I've been invited into something so holy,
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Speaker 3: because telling about your loved one in a situation is
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Speaker 3: holy ground and inviting someone in this holy ground. So
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Speaker 3: I don't take that for granted. I take it very seriously.
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Speaker 3: So yes, people are like, well why wouldn't you Well,
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Speaker 3: we didn't need to go, And I'm just I'm making
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Speaker 3: that clear because I think an audience needs to understand
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Speaker 3: you don't have to do something that's expected of you.
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Speaker 3: Sure you need to do what you need foreclosure for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think anyone can put ourselves in
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Speaker 1: your position. We don't know what we would do, and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what we would do. But Marcia, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I feel compelled to ask you this, but and I
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Speaker 1: know you get asked this a lot, but how how
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Speaker 1: do you get through something like this, How do you
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Speaker 1: you personally? Everyone's going to be different, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you're you're sitting here, You're emanating a light. You are
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Speaker 1: you emanate a light? You emanate a strength. My guess
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Speaker 1: is you didn't always maybe you did, but that's my guess.
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Speaker 1: But I want how do how did.
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Speaker 2: You one step ahead? What are you? What are you?
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Speaker 2: What's going in your head? Your heart?
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Speaker 3: At that time, in the moment when our first time
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Speaker 3: was proclaimed dead, I asked the Lord if I could
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Speaker 3: go pray over Stirling because I knew that he could
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Speaker 3: bring them back to life. And the Lord said, no,
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Speaker 3: he's home. I needed to leave them with him. He's where.
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Speaker 3: It was freely to me and I had all just say,
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Speaker 3: like a video going on in my head. And the
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Speaker 3: Lord said, these are things I've prepared you for. I've
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Speaker 3: prepared you for this time of letting him go, of
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Speaker 3: knowing that he was going to pass. And so that
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Speaker 3: was a very real thing. And you asked how did I?
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Speaker 3: I pressed into the Lord and I already had a
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Speaker 3: spiritual wheelhouse of scripture that was so pressed into me. Guy,
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Speaker 3: it became my lifeline. I wouldn't have made it without that,
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Speaker 3: because see the enemy lies to us about things. So
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Speaker 3: there were lies that enemy was saying, and the Holy
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Speaker 3: Spirit in me would immediately bring up the scripture that
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Speaker 3: would completely kill the lie. And I just went in,
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Speaker 3: just like heartsinc. I went into the presence of the Lord,
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Speaker 3: and I really did not leave. I could not live
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Speaker 3: without his presence. I couldn't breathe, and I really I
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Speaker 3: needed his breath. And that's kind of how it's like,
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Speaker 3: I can't breathe. And anyone who's grief knows that you
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Speaker 3: start breathing very shallow and you may gasp for it.
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Speaker 3: And I was immediately it was like, Lord, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to need your breath. I need for you to breathe
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Speaker 3: for me because I've just lost my oldest so dear
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Speaker 3: to me, as you know, and I know you know,
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Speaker 3: and he knew, but I've got to have you breathe
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Speaker 3: for me. I've got to have you hold me and
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Speaker 3: give me the sustenance and the strength that I need.
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Speaker 3: And he did and so beautifully. And so I had
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Speaker 3: a hard time at night sleeping since we you know,
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Speaker 3: I had the news delivered at night, so my mind
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Speaker 3: would start reeling and I just and I said, Lord,
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Speaker 3: I it won't stop. And he said, just put your
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Speaker 3: head back on money on my chest and I on
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Speaker 3: the Father, and I just I'm in bed, and I
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Speaker 3: just laid and it was just I could feel him
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Speaker 3: and I felt Jesus and Holy Spirit just surround me
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Speaker 3: and encapsulate me. And I was not, I don't think sleeping,
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Speaker 3: but I was rested in the morning, and I didn't
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Speaker 3: have the mind continued to spin like it had been.
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Speaker 3: And so I started dwelling in that place, and I
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Speaker 3: took my grief to him. I took my sorrow to him.
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Speaker 3: I took the pain of each of them and each
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Speaker 3: of the losses, because the magnitude of each of the
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Speaker 3: losses was beyond bearable in the flesh, but it was
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Speaker 3: bearable within the Lord. And so that's how I was
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Speaker 3: able to walk through and to live in that space.
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Speaker 3: Plus I needed to be present for my husband and
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Speaker 3: my children. God they needed me, and I needed what
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Speaker 3: the Lord had so I could be there for them.
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Speaker 3: Very interestingly enough, there was a community of people, my
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Speaker 3: son's friends, that really turned to me, and God gave
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Speaker 3: me the capacity to minister to them during that time
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Speaker 3: because it was just so shocking. It was an upheaval.
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Speaker 3: So he was very close to many of the law students,
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Speaker 3: and they couldn't understand, They couldn't wrap their head. There
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Speaker 3: was just a lot of questions, a lot of disbelief,
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Speaker 3: questioning the fate, questioning, you know, why would God? Why
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Speaker 3: would this? Why would that? And so to unpack all
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Speaker 3: of that, God was gracious with me to give me
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Speaker 3: what I need to do and still is.
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Speaker 1: Let me just remind you everyone, I'm speaking with Marsha Earhart,
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Speaker 1: co founder of the Sterling Rose Sanctuaries. If five one
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Speaker 1: c three created after the heartbreaking loss of her sons,
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Speaker 1: how did you How do you approach the meaning? Do
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Speaker 1: you attribute meaning to these losses? To loss?
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Speaker 2: Is that important for you? Oh?
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Speaker 3: I incorporate those losses in my life to move forward
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Speaker 3: with me. First of all, no one who really loves
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Speaker 3: someone is going to get over because I don't want
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Speaker 3: to get over them. I love them and I still
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Speaker 3: love them. They're still my children. So it's incorporated. And
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Speaker 3: I have a place for Mark and Sterling and then
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Speaker 3: a place for what our family was when each of
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Speaker 3: them were alive. So I kind of have four different compartments.
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Speaker 3: And so there will be moments in life, and it
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Speaker 3: may tap into one of those compartments or all of them. Christmas, Thanksgiving, Birthdays,
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Speaker 3: they tap into all of them. And so they're with
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Speaker 3: me because they're a part of me, and I value
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Speaker 3: that and I'm thankful. I'm thankful God that God chose
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Speaker 3: me to be their mom, that God allowed for me
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Speaker 3: to have the gift of them as my children, and
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Speaker 3: how it changed me, and how it continues to change me.
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Speaker 3: So I'm grateful for that.
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Speaker 1: How did the sanctuary come about? Let's talk about that.
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Speaker 3: I was actually out of town and I had been
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Speaker 3: ministering to someone who had had lost a child, who
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Speaker 3: had died by suicide, and I had a vision I'd
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Speaker 3: been dreaming. I had this vision. While I was dreaming,
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Speaker 3: the Lord said, get up and write this down, and
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Speaker 3: I did, and it was that you're to have the
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Speaker 3: Sterling Rose Sanctuary for people to come. And he broke
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Speaker 3: down the rooms for me, and I just wrote it
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Speaker 3: all down, and he said, you know, you need to
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Speaker 3: bring healing here on earth as it is in heaven.
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Speaker 3: And there're too many of my children that are unhealed,
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Speaker 3: that are wounded, that are not getting the healing to
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Speaker 3: walk in their creative design because grief has defined them.
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Speaker 3: Grief can redefine us, but it should never define us
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Speaker 3: God there's a difference. And so that's how it started.
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Speaker 3: And so I called my husband and I said, Okay,
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Speaker 3: the Lord has said we need to do this thing.
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Speaker 3: We need to pray over it in Bulon and so
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Speaker 3: we did, and the Lord made it very clear that's
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Speaker 3: what we would to start to do. And now we
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Speaker 3: serve people all over the US. We have six countries
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Speaker 3: that we serve people in and it's just been fascinating,
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Speaker 3: and we're raising fund so we can get a place
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Speaker 3: for an individual, couple or family to come one at
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Speaker 3: a time, just for three to five days for healing,
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Speaker 3: so that they can get away from their trigger trauma.
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Speaker 3: Because so many people guy are living in their trigger trauma,
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Speaker 3: So to get them away to have a reset, to
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Speaker 3: have a place where they can rest, get some resources
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Speaker 3: and have a sense of renewal, be able to walk
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Speaker 3: the grounds, enjoy the sunshine, get outside that is so
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Speaker 3: important to healing. Have clean eating while they're here, to
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Speaker 3: see people use food as part of their means to
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Speaker 3: self soothe, and when they're going to come here, that's
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Speaker 3: not what's going to be happening. We're going to have
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Speaker 3: you're going to have some clean foods that are going
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Speaker 3: to help you. And to have you know, music, music therapy,
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Speaker 3: music room, to have an art room, to have a
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Speaker 3: butterfly room. That transformation. What can we let go of,
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Speaker 3: what do we want to what do we want to
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Speaker 3: take with us? To have the rose and thorn room.
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Speaker 3: What were the thorns in the relationship or in the
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Speaker 3: situation that you're facing, and how to deal with that
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Speaker 3: so that we can appreciate each pedal on the rose,
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Speaker 3: because you cannot have the rose without the thorns. They
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Speaker 3: serve a purpose.
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Speaker 2: Talk a bit more specifically my about.
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Speaker 1: Who you serve, who you help, and a little more
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Speaker 1: specifically about what the process is like when someone comes
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Speaker 1: to you.
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Speaker 3: We serve everybody, people with OCD, depression, anxiety, addiction, sr A,
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Speaker 3: sexual ritual abuse. I actually have a lot of people
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Speaker 3: that I work with with sexual ritual abuse. They find
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Speaker 3: me from all over. It's very fascinating. I work with
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Speaker 3: people that have had suicidal thoughts, propensities.
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Speaker 2: And so it's not just for loss.
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Speaker 3: But that is loss. See people confind loss is all
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Speaker 3: those things.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I guess define.
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Speaker 3: Loss. Loss is I mean, can be a loss of self,
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Speaker 3: a loss of what you thought, a loss of this
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Speaker 3: this aspect of life that I'm not able to because
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Speaker 3: I was molested. I've lost my childhood because I turned
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Speaker 3: to this drug. I've lost the vitality to live life.
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Speaker 3: Because I'm porn addicted. I'm not able to have right relationships.
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Speaker 3: That's lost. I think our culture sees lost just as
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Speaker 3: the end of something. It can be, it can be
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Speaker 3: the process of that.
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Speaker 2: End, of course.
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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 2: Of course?
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Speaker 3: And it's the grieving, the grieving of I want to have.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to have this addiction defy me of
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Speaker 3: alcohol or vaping. I want to have more vitality. But
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Speaker 3: so I'm grieving and I have this loss in my life.
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Speaker 3: How do I get from here to overhere to where
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Speaker 3: there's a sustainability in life and there's hope in life.
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Speaker 3: And so we work with all people, believers and non believers.
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Speaker 3: We work with all people to help them to have healing,
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Speaker 3: to be delivered from those things that have become toxic
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Speaker 3: within their mind and their body. Because see grief, the
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Speaker 3: body keeps the score of our trauma and our pain,
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Speaker 3: and so negative thinking it all goes into and every
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Speaker 3: single one of our organs is associated with certain types
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Speaker 3: of motions. So our lungs are associated with grief, with sorrow,
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Speaker 3: and the liver is associated with anger. And so quite
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Speaker 3: often when people come to me and they start unpacking
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Speaker 3: their story, I'm not surprised to when I hear what
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Speaker 3: area of their body they're struggling with based on what
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Speaker 3: they've been struggling with individually through their journey, because it
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Speaker 3: all is there, and so we have to release all
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Speaker 3: of that and we need to reclaim the newness so
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Speaker 3: they can live in the new aspect of how they
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Speaker 3: can walk forward. That I've been living this lie that
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Speaker 3: I'm never going to get over this addiction or I'm
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Speaker 3: never going to get over the fear or anxiety. Are
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Speaker 3: this loss of my child or the loss of my husband?
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Speaker 3: Are the loss of my dreams? And God, let me
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Speaker 3: just say I I stopped dreaming, and the Lord said
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Speaker 3: to me, I think it's around twenty seventeen. Around that time,
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Speaker 3: he goes, you've got to start dreaming again. And you
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Speaker 3: do to start dreaming again. I realize the dreams they're
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Speaker 3: gone now, but they're new dreams, and I have new
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Speaker 3: dreams for you, and how exciting. I have new dreams now,
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Speaker 3: you know, so you know, but the old dreams, I
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Speaker 3: want it, you know, we want what we want. And
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Speaker 3: we had those and they didn't work. And he's like,
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Speaker 3: that's okay. There were lots of things within those dreams
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Speaker 3: that did. They just don't keep going. But they're new dreams.
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Speaker 3: So that's what we're here to do. And so we
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Speaker 3: work with everyone. So we are boots on the ground
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Speaker 3: to the mental health crisis that we're facing, because all
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Speaker 3: grief causes mental health issue.
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Speaker 2: When you started the sanctuary, which was.
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Speaker 3: How long ago was that twenty seventeen, So.
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Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, so a little while ago.
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Speaker 1: Was when you first started doing it, was your goal
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Speaker 1: the same was the purpose the same as it is now.
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Speaker 3: The purpose was it's interesting. The purpose was the same
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Speaker 3: as I wanted it. It changed. The board decided it
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Speaker 3: would be exclusive to families that have lost a child
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Speaker 3: or sibling. So the board made that decision, we've got
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Speaker 3: to really tighten this, and I said, we need to
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Speaker 3: do it for all people. Well, twenty twenty then it changed,
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Speaker 3: so it is exactly where I think God wanted it
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Speaker 3: to be. And is where he wants it to be
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Speaker 3: and is moving in that continuum. And I have always
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Speaker 3: had a heart guy for people to be healed and
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Speaker 3: to live in joy and victory. Hey, we should all
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Speaker 3: be living in victory. Jesus secure victory for us. There's
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Speaker 3: no reason why we should not be living a victorious life.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't. And I've had chronic illness. I mean, I've
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Speaker 3: had a lot of things in my life, but there
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Speaker 3: is always victory in the midst of that. The enemy
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Speaker 3: does not win unless you let him win, or that
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Speaker 3: situation doesn't win unless you let it win.
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Speaker 1: You.
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Speaker 3: We get to choose tree of life or tree of death. Gud,
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Speaker 3: I'm a tree of life. Let's do a tree of life.
25:43
Speaker 3: And I want all of my people to experience the
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Speaker 3: tree of life, the deep rootedness of what it means
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Speaker 3: to have the nutrients of the tree of life, living
25:52
Speaker 3: from that abundance of fruit being yielded. Because most my
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Speaker 3: people that come in, they're living from the tree of death,
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Speaker 3: deeply embedded in that day and that's been their life
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Speaker 3: for year after year after year because they believe the lie.
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Speaker 3: That's all they would be able to have h is.
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Speaker 2: That a lie would you believe that a culture kind
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Speaker 2: of fosters.
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Speaker 3: I think we're our worst enemy and we're going to
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Speaker 3: find people who foster whatever our relief system is. So
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Speaker 3: when you ask that question, if I'm a negative person,
26:26
Speaker 3: I'm going to find other negative people who are going
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Speaker 3: to reinforce my negative behaviors, my negative thinking. If I'm
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Speaker 3: an outgoing, joyful person, I'm going to find other people
26:36
Speaker 3: that infuse me, give life to me, and that live
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Speaker 3: from that place. I think we have to be intentional too,
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Speaker 3: to whom we align ourselves with. And yes, it does
26:47
Speaker 3: our culture play on it, absolutely, absolutely, big farmer place
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Speaker 3: on it. I mean they're diagnosing people. You know, doctors
26:55
Speaker 3: are diagnosing people constantly giving anxiety medication. Do you know
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Speaker 3: how many people are on anxiety and medication? If you
27:02
Speaker 3: look at staggery and yet that seems to be their solution,
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Speaker 3: that is not the solution. That's masking the problem. It's
27:10
Speaker 3: causing other problems.
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Speaker 2: As we kind of wind down here, Marcia, when you.
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Speaker 1: Think about your role in this field, this field of
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Speaker 1: what grief?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 2: What field? Would you say you're in? Healing healing? Post
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Speaker 2: traumatic healing, yes, post grief healing, yes? What is your message.
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Speaker 3: There is hope and you do not have to live
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Speaker 3: with a life sentence that says this is your death.
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Speaker 3: There is value and there's purposes to why every person
27:57
Speaker 3: is here. And I want every one to know that
28:02
Speaker 3: they can have their ruins rebuilt to thrive that just
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Speaker 3: because there's been an implosion in that building, Hey, I'm
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Speaker 3: living proof. My buildings have been ruined, but there has
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Speaker 3: been a rebuilding of my ruins and they can be
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Speaker 3: rebuilt to God and to live in that that they
28:24
Speaker 3: were created to live in. And I want everybody to
28:27
Speaker 3: embrace that. I don't want anyone to miss that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marsha, I appreciate you being here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're a force. You are a force. You're
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Speaker 2: inspiring force.
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Speaker 1: And thank you so much for the work you're doing.
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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to do what we do. I love it.
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Speaker 3: It gives me so much excitement to see people do it.
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Speaker 3: I love it. It's unlike anything else. And when someone
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Speaker 3: gets their life back, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. We'll be in touch. Thanks
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Speaker 2: all right,