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#353 - For Azeroth!: "Accessibility Denied" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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The alpha looks great, hopefully you get access.
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Don't wait for your emails. Check your B net launcher.
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I still haven't gotten my e-mail to say that I'm in and I'm in.
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So please check your check your B net launchers.
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Get in there and test these dungeons with me.
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You can avoid the delves. They feel very much like the
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delves this year. Sorry, that's not that.
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Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon.
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For the Karen tour for. Pandaria.
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For calendar. To the burning region.
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For Gilnaeus or. Has not died for the Lich King,
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for the Sindora. For the Alliance for.
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The Horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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another episode of For Azeroth. I am really sorry I was
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distracted by Lex's dance there. I didn't know exactly what was
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going on, but we are back with Lex.
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Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating
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you? Manny, I do that dance every
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single time you do the countdown.
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What? If if you're curious, by the
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way, you can always come to the discord at bit dot LY slash fast
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discord and then you can see our podcast live, which means that
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you can see me do a little dance every time Manny does the
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countdown. Hello, World of Warcraft is
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treating me very well. Well, live is great.
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We got Salvador down, so we're finally working on dementias and
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Heroic, which is very exciting. And we've more or less decided
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that we're going to keep pushing a Prague and not reset for
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either until we get really sick of it or we get AOTC, which is
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very exciting and very fun. Alpha I'm having mixed feelings
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about, but we'll talk about that later.
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OK, OK. And then coming from the other
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side of this triumvirate, we have Sean.
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Hello, Sean. And how's the World of Warcraft
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been treating you? Well crafts been treating me
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well. We are also working on dementias
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where mythic is supposed to heroic so that's exciting.
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Lex and I Prague in the same boss at the same time.
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We're basically the same level of player.
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Yeah, essentially, yeah, we are. You're like the.
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I was going to say shorter, but I actually don't know if you are
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shorter, but you're like the yeah, American version of me and
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I'm the Canadian version. Of me.
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Wait, how tall are? You I am.
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Well, my ID says 5 foot 10 but I think I'm closer to 5 foot 9.
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OK, yeah, you're taller than me, but only a little.
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Yeah, OK, All right, so you have the shorter version of me, but I
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have been enjoying alpha, unlike Lex, so I guess we will talk
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about that later. And yeah, also Lex mentioned
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that you can come to the Discord to watch a live recording of the
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shows, which you can, but as of this episode, which you might
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already know if you're already doing what I'm about to say you
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can do, You can see the full episodes on YouTube.
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Again, we're putting them back. I did a deep dive on our YouTube
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comments. Some of you all need Jesus and
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but some of you missed us, so we're coming back to YouTube as
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of episode 353. There you go.
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And then on top of that, if you are following along with
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everything we're doing, we are currently giving away 2 copies
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of the Dreadlord Regalia. So if you want to enter that
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contest, you can do so over on Twitter or a new Instagram that
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we've started up. So yeah, FAZ everywhere you want
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it. With that said, let's get into
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the news. So the big news this season is
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well, actually we're going to be talking about Legion remix, but
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I'm I'm I'm questioning as soon as I said that I'm questioning
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you. That's the big news.
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But it is the big release on retail right now.
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We have Legion remix has gone live and that means that you can
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go back to the Broken Isles. You can play through the initial
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starting part of Legion or if you are part of like the
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amazingly dedicated, you might already have a level 80.
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So for those who are wondering, Legion Remix this time is
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phased. There are multiple phases.
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This this phase is the Skies of Fire that comes with the launch.
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And that of course, is you're leveling up along the Broken
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Isles, the Emerald Nightmare raid and the Trial of Valor
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raid. So there's a lot to do
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initially. Sean, have you been playing
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Remix? No, you had said this.
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I, I kind of, I kind of had suspicions.
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You had said that this was not the remix that was like
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appealing to you. You have already played this
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content if I recall, unlike Mr. Pandaria remix.
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Sort of, yeah. I didn't play it when it was
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current. I went, when I rejoined Azeroth,
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I went back and played through all of the Legions story and I
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have done, I want to say 3 of the class halls, maybe four of
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the class halls, Death knight, paladin, druid, warrior.
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I feel like Demon Hunter. So maybe five of the class
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halls. I, yeah, I'm really, I'm not
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going to say what I was going to say.
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I'm really glad that people are super excited for Legion Remix
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and that people really love the Legion stories and that they get
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a chance to play them again in this mode.
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I it doesn't, I don't know if it's because of when it came out
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and what else is going on around it.
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When we had Mop Remix, it was in the middle of season 4.
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There were the raids rating season was over.
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We did have War within Alpha and Beta.
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But yeah, this it's, it's not not sparking joy.
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It is definitely not happening during a season 4 where like you
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were checked out of basically retail.
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And yes, it it's happening at the same time as the alpha.
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There's a lot of news happening for everybody.
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And then there's a lot of things that people want to play for
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those who happen to have access. But for for the quote UN quote
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normies, as people have said in our chat.
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So with Legion remix, the big thing is of course the artifact
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weapons. For me, I've played through
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every campaign other than druid and mage.
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Already. Not already, I mean like in the
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past. So like the reason that I would
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play them this time is for those two to experience those.
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But I think that, yeah, it's it is a little bit like I've been
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here before and to play those campaigns, I could do that at
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any time. So the main appeal for this in
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my eyes is all of the cosmetics and all of the things that you
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may have missed the first time around.
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And that's the big thing about these remix, that hyper fast
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experience that allows you to do all of these collections.
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But the other half of it was like that amazing power that you
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could build the the power of fantasy that you could destroy
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entire aids by your lonesome. And there's a question about
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that in this new version, Lee Mix, if you will, because how
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quickly you get power was a question.
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They speed it up in PTR testing. Originally it was slower.
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They speed it up. There is infinite power within
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the the weapons. But on top of that, we've got
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this phased progression, so even if you spend as much time as you
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can in this initial part, the maximum item level that you can
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get for your weapon has been capped, and that is supposedly
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the same for all of your items. That is 633.
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That's still pretty impressive in my mind, but I don't know
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what that worked out to relative to current retail.
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The amount of bronze that you get is now purely cosmetic.
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You're not splitting that between power gains and the
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goodies that you want to buy. And of course, this is Legion,
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so there we've got analogs to a bunch of stuff that we're in
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Legion. So instead of artifact power,
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you've got the infinite power. Instead of artifact knowledge,
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you've got. Yeah, you guessed it.
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Infinite knowledge seems like a quasi return of form for people
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who knew about it. But for people who are like just
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getting to know Legion or having their first taste with this,
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this is going to be a little bit more complicated than Mr.
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Pandaria remix. So Lex, you had all the time in
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the world. Would you be diving into this?
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Are you going to dive into this? I don't think so.
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I so I guess I have kind of so first of all, I did actually
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play through legion. That was basically right when I
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came back to World of Warcraft. So I have played through that.
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So the story isn't like something that I need to
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experience first hand the way that in Panderia I never really
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played it. I didn't love Panderia remix
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because it did feel like I didn't like know life it early
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on. And that meant that kind of all
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the content was just boring. Like if I did a raid, it was
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just me standing in the corner twiddling my thumbs and pressing
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a button occasionally. So I guess I don't dislike the
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changes and the kind of capping things and keeping it
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controlled. But I guess that also makes me
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wonder what the point is, right? Because like you said, Manny,
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you can play all of this at any other time.
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So time walking it, it feels like the benefit of like the the
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joy of time walking, the drop time walking is if you push
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really hard, you can just plow through everything.
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And if that's not true, then this is just I guess it, I guess
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it's collectibles, right? It's just to get appearances and
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and cool little things, which is valid, but not it's something
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that I I enjoy having on the side, but I'm not going to
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dedicate time just to collecting.
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That's why I'm a world first Raider, right Sean?
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Nailed it. Yeah, I'm with Lex big time.
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I, I actually, if I didn't have to make a character and level
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it, the chances of me engaging with this content go up by like
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1000. I would definitely dip in and
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check it out. Even if I could just take one of
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my level 80s, it's already level, then just dip it in and
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have a convert to remix to get the collectibles and stuff like
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that. I don't know, there's a lot of
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good Transmogon Legion, so I might want to go in and get that
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anyway, but I just, I don't need more alts.
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I don't even want all the alts that I have.
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I deleted all of my Mop Remix characters as soon as Mop Remix
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ended. Like I I aggressively deleted
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them. Yeah, I don't know.
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For me it was getting those collectibles for sure.
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I did not delete my my Mop remix characters.
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I only played played one and it was my chance to level a mage
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because mage was the last class that I had not actually leveled
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anywhere near to cap. So that that was the
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opportunity. Obviously I've got Evokers near
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cap. There is no new class that's
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come out since Evokers so I don't have any of those.
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So the question becomes like OK, what exactly am I after?
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And you're right, if I could not level then I would probably do
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this. But then if I'm not leveling
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through this, I'm really just better off going back to current
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Legion where I'm over level, over geared and just smashing
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everything myself without this like strange little system to
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get. So now I'm worried that it's a
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matter of FOMO. Are the cosmetics?
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Are the those like chance items so great that like that's going
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to push me to playing? And in which case am I waiting
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for the last phase where they're going to offer all these catch
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up stuff just to quickly go through it and be like, OK,
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great, let me get as much bronze as like there's literally
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spreadsheets out there that allow that tell you what do you
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want to buy? This is how much bronze you
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need. This was something that came up
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in Mr. Pandaria before. And I think that's the case that
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that I'm most likely going to do.
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I'm going to speak to like some of the great people that are out
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there. Vega is a great resource for
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this and be like Vega, help me out here.
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Give me the spreadsheet. Can you can you help me get
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through this sort of stuff? And I remember last time, Sean,
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you were part of those that group of pumpers that like to
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like take people along and clear through all their aids.
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And I think that's where my play is going to be, just getting
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like carried along by Sean, hopefully hoping that the Gator
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doesn't like bite down as I'm picking out the bronze from
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between his teeth. Yeah.
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I do want to say though, you mentioned that you can go
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through and do the class all campaigns at any time for any of
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those classes you're missing on retail, but you're incentivized
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to do it during the mix because they get rid, they get rid of
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all the needless bull crap like the wait three days for this
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mission table and that's all gone, I'm told.
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So if you want to actually do it efficiently, you need to do it
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now. Otherwise you get stuck behind
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all these ridiculous time gates. I don't know, we'll see if I can
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jump in and just grind dungeons. Maybe that's a day on stream to
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80 and then get my bronze to buy my stuff.
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Who knows, we'll see, but there's lots more going on right
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now. I gotta get my I gotta, I gotta
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get these new bear forms that remix.
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I just got them. I all I did was log in once.
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It was great. Thanks Blizz, I put as much
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effort into that as I imagine most of the people who got mage
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tower appearances in the late Legion did, and I will use much
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much much less Pearl clutching about my gathering of those
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appearances and than those people did.
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Well, Sean, I got some bad news, which I feel like you're leading
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us into. One of a few bugs that showed up
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with with Legion. Is that every druid suddenly
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unlocked? Well not every druid this very a
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lot of druids and I haven't met a druid that hasn't has suddenly
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unlocked bear form where bear form and the other mage tower
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form for Farrell the sparkle Kitty form without having to do
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anything just logging in. And Blizzard has noted that this
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is a bug and unintentional interaction and that they are
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working on fixing it. And when they do fix it, the
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people who didn't earn it the way that what's prescribed,
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they're gonna lose it again. There's a a dev somewhere at
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Blizzard like with tears streaming down their eyes like
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they said they wanted this. They definitely said multiple
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times that Mage Tower appearances were not going to be
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part of Legion Remix, so the fact that they showed up just
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randomly, nobody was convincing anybody that this was intended.
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Unfortunately. There will of course be belly
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aching when they take it away because people like, you know,
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you like stuff and free stuff can't, can't beat that price
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there. There will be a lot of belly
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aching when they fix this. That said, that wasn't the only
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bug. We've seen a number of reports
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of people having a lot of difficulty in the starting areas
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for Europe, as well as some other various issues.
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I think it's weird that the starting area for Europe was
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damaged but like NA didn't seem to have the same level of
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difficulty from the reports that I've been getting.
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Because like when I was playing like retail last night because I
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wasn't playing remix, I was not hearing a lot of belly aching
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from my like guildies that were across over on remix playing.
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Does I guess something got transferred wrong over to the EU
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servers after NA bug tested? Yeah, it wasn't just so.
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I mean EU had those problems today, but NA had problems last
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night. The Legion, Legion launch had
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problems. Obviously the Webber stuff,
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there was issues in in Remix itself, but the retail servers,
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yesterday's 11 point 2.5 patch did something to mangle the the
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retail servers. People were unable to hearth,
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they were unable to leave dungeons, they were unable to
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log into the game, they were unable to exit the game, and all
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of this was still occurring as of 4 1/2 hours ago.
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If you put in for crafted items, it was upgrading your, it was
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craft. It was upgrading your craft item
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to the next item level, but you were losing the item level on
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your overall item level. So instead of going up 10, you
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were dropping 10. It was deleting your main stat
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gains. It was, and then if you left the
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zone, if you left Dornegall, they would come back, but if you
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went back to Dornegall, they would go away again.
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And then in some dungeons, they were also phasing in and out.
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And, and I mean, they're working on all of that to get all that
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rectified, but that was yesterday was, to quote Taliesin
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and Evertel, a shit show. Which is scary, not to be a
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little bit of a broken record, but it's scary on a .5 patch
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like those. I if, if I heard about that
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degree of bugs on an expansion release, I would be like, that's
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a little extreme. I would have thought they'd have
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that a little bit more streamlined.
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It's a little a little stressful that that's occurring now.
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But I mean, I suppose you can also say if you want to be
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optimistic, that they're getting all the bad stuff out now.
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And so when midnight comes out, it's going to be beautiful.
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I don't think that's how game dev works but OK I'll I'll I'll
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join your optimism train. I will will not be drinking the
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copium. I will.
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I will believe it when I see it, but you know what I guess the
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the upside of this is that it is happening at the later part of a
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season where most people are winding down their their place.
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So disruption now is affecting less people than a disruption at
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the very beginning of an expansion when everybody's
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trying to jump in. With that said, I hope that
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people who are up for it enjoy Legion remix.
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I hope that when I eventually take the dive that it becomes a
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much more rewarding experience than I'm currently worried it
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will be. And let's move on from there.
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Before we jump in though, I would like to thank everyone
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Wait, wait a second. That was my job. 3 episodes in a
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row. What happened?
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Did you not like the way that I was thanking the Patriots, man?
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You I I recall you saying he's never give me again.
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I don't remember that. Oh, I'll find a stand clip.
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Anyways, we go from one controversy to another.
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Sean, can you talk to us about the add on Anarchy?
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Yeah, so we saw Alpha launched to the world last week and with
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that release we finally got our first glimpse at the level of
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access we'll have for add-ons. We have some lovely show notes
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here. I'm actually just going to read
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right from the show notes. So Blizzard had reached out
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prior to this to several add on authors and gave them details of
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the changes to the API that was going to be present for testing
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and that would be implemented with the release of the Midnight
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expansion. One of the things that Ian has
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Acosta said is that the UI and add-ons, like they're just
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putting everything combat related into a box.
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The UI and add-ons can know that that box exists.
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They can display information about the box.
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What they can't do is know definitively what's inside the
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box or run any kind of logic based on it.
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What does this mean? Well, it means you can color
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everything in that box if you want, but it's all the same
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color. So now you first of all use
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nameplates as the example. You can color all name plates
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yellow, but you can no longer color individual name plates of
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specific mobs because the NPCID exists in that box.
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So you, you lose some of that granularity that we have.
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We do see we'd so initial, the initial gut reaction from the
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community was horror, abject horror.
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And we also found out in that same time that this was going
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live with the launch of of Midnight.
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So we had talked about that, that we had heard rumors that
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there were there was potential that we were going to lose
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access to these combat add-ons with the launch of Midnight,
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despite going fundamentally directly opposite what Ian has
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Accosta said in an interview where he said is that they just
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to be super clear, I think I, I think we see the taking apart,
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taking away part, the restricting functionalities as
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the end of this long road. I think we know, we want to make
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it very clear that we're not sitting here being like, all
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right, we want you to play the game the way we intended, and
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we're going to take away your tools.
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We just want to bridge that gap. To quote Maury Povich, that was
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a lie. Now Manny's going to correct me
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and say it's a necessary lie, that the design decisions may
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have changed along the route from the time that he gave that
21:25
interview five months ago to today where we give this
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information. But I'm the hyperbolic 1, so
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we're going to go with what I said.
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So basically we lost access to everything all at once.
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We go is called it quits. They said we can't function
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under this. In order to change the way that
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this add on works, we would have to fundamentally rewrite it from
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the ground up and lose so much functionality.
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So we're just not going to. And then they gave three
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conditions under which if any of these three were met, that they
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would consider continuing add on support for Midnight.
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And then Bigwigs came out and said, well, we're going to see
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what we can do. Bigwigs is able to replicate
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their own combat timeline like the Blizzard in game timeline.
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However they're not allowed to change the names of any of the
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spells and they're not allowed to change what spells are
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displayed. If you go and look at the actual
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Blizzard timelines, they display a ridiculous amount of spells to
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the point that it almost feels like they're just intentionally
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trying to overwhelm you with how much information they're giving
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you so that none of it is valuable and you can't remove
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any of it with with add-ons like big wigs and DBM.
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So it was it was community panic.
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You know, there was a lot of comments about accessibility,
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which I do want to get into, but I want to give you guys a chance
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to talk before we get into sex ability.
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But I do have some quotes on that from a very well written
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article by the undaunted Guild. I'm just looking for them here.
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So we'll talk about accessibility in a second.
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But ultimately it was people basically hard hardcore dooming
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over the edge of all add-ons are gone.
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Blizzard can't possibly replicate these thousands of
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hours of development time that these devs have done.
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What are we going to do? Does that about sum it up?
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Yeah. And I do want to say that like
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the way that they have restricted is that initially any
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add on in an instance that tried to use the add on comms channel
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or was trying to interact with the chat was restricted, just
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blocked. That meant that even things that
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you might not consider too dangerous was being affected.
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Things like loot council after you've killed a boss, you're
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like, OK, let's hand the loot out to people.
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Nope, blocked. You're in an instance, can't
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work. Something simple as sending a
23:51
pull timer if you didn't want to use Blizzard's pull timer.
23:55
Nope. Requires it requires
23:57
communication to get that countdown In Sync with
24:01
everybody. Guess you can't do that anymore
24:04
and you have to use Blizzards one.
24:05
This was heavy-handed, yes, limited to just instances, but
24:11
just heavy-handed. And without getting into the
24:15
accessibility part of this, Blizzard did come back very
24:19
quickly and say, OK, we're going to adjust it so that it only
24:23
does this new logic behavior, this, this new restriction while
24:27
you're actively in combat. So now you can do a pull timer
24:31
or break timer or loot council because you're not actively
24:35
fighting something, assuming somebody doesn't start trying to
24:38
pull while your loot council's going.
24:40
Still a restriction anyways, so like they're trying to.
24:45
Walk it back. That means you can't.
24:46
You can't clear trash while sorting out the loot from your
24:49
boss. Exactly.
24:50
An essential time saver in every rage.
24:53
Exactly. So it's not, it's still not a
24:55
perfect solution. And in fact, the author of one
24:59
of the add on said, I think they went with the nuclear option as
25:04
a bargaining tactic to say that like, hey, we're going to
25:08
destroy everything. And maybe if you beg and plead,
25:13
we'll give you something which isn't a good faith argument.
25:17
You're applying into intent. And you're immediately going for
25:20
like the worst thing. But is, is a fear that has been
25:25
expressed. And so I guess I report it.
25:27
What do you think, Lex? Well, first of all, I think that
25:30
that is ascribing malice to what is probably, I think the the
25:36
word in the quote is stupidity. But I'll be nice to Blizzard, I
25:40
think. I think they're just flying by
25:41
the seat of their pants, man. That's what I've been feeling
25:43
for all of this. I feel like they're just making
25:44
decisions on the fly and are not having the time to think things
25:48
through. This one is particularly
25:52
frustrating to me though, because, and I'm about to do the
25:55
same thing and ascribe malice to it.
25:57
It feels like they keep lying to us.
26:00
I I've always been the one who is a little bit more on the side
26:03
of like, I mean, they're going to have to turn them off for
26:05
people to use them. Like I understand why That's the
26:07
thing They're going to like that's, that's a call they might
26:09
make that, you know, ultimately, if, if they want these add-ons
26:14
to not exist, there's no world like they, they really can't
26:17
have them exist and not exist at the same time.
26:19
And then they're going to have to make that call.
26:21
I've also always been the one on the show, not always, but, but
26:24
back when Blizzard was like really doing what the, the
26:27
player base said, I was the one who was like, occasionally
26:29
Blizzard needs to be comfortable just making an unpopular call.
26:32
I'm just saying, I know you guys don't think you're going to like
26:33
it. You got to give it a try though.
26:35
Like we, we have to make this decision, but they have to stand
26:39
behind that because this part of why this feels so bad is because
26:43
we're getting all of these weird mixed messages because we're
26:46
hearing, don't worry, it's going to be a long road.
26:48
It's not a big deal. We're going to, you know, try
26:51
things and test things. We're not just going to turn off
26:54
add-ons and then they just turn off add-ons.
26:57
And we're being told we're going to work closely with the add on
26:59
developers. We're going to get all of this
27:01
information. We're going to make sure that
27:02
everything is, is exactly, you know, we're talking to the
27:04
people who've worked on this. From what I've heard that
27:08
perhaps did not exist. And now, you know, I, it was a
27:13
little bit of a, of a joke that in AQ and a, Ian, I believe
27:18
specifically said the words we are not killing we Goras.
27:22
And the next day we Goras announces that they're closing
27:25
forever. So I, I, I would be on
27:30
Blizzard's side if they just came out and they were like,
27:34
listen, we understand that you guys and I, I do, I want to put
27:39
a little pin on this. I do think the accessibility is,
27:41
it's something that I can't personally speak to.
27:43
That's an entirely different conversation.
27:44
And I think that is really, really critical.
27:46
So this is all my feelings as an able bodied neurotypical
27:52
probably person. So I, I, I understand there's a
27:57
lot of experiences that I personally can't speak to and
28:00
that is significantly more important than like, you know,
28:02
just the general vibes. But it, it, so I suppose what I
28:08
should say is it would be one thing if Blizzard said, listen,
28:10
you guys, this is the only way that realistically we can move
28:14
forward with the plans we're having.
28:16
We can't build encounters for our own UI.
28:19
If you guys are using Wegoras, we can't trust that we can work
28:23
on this if we're not actually seeing it.
28:25
We can't test, right? We can't actually see if an
28:28
encounter's too easy or too hard, if half of you guys are
28:31
still pulling out Wegoras. So we have to like, we have to
28:35
make a call, and we've decided to make that call in midnight.
28:37
If they just said that, I would have significantly more respect
28:41
for them than what they're doing now, where they're clearly aware
28:44
that we're going to get really mad when they say that.
28:47
And so they're just not telling us and waiting for us to figure
28:49
out and then getting mad later, You know what I'm saying?
28:53
Yeah, I so I did hear that quote when it happened.
28:57
The they're using this as a bargaining tactic.
28:59
I, I also like that I don't think it's a bargaining tactic.
29:04
I do think it is somewhere in the middle like where Lex said
29:07
where they were. Just like we need to remove
29:08
everything because we we can't do this otherwise and they are
29:12
going to slowly give pieces back, which we've seen them do.
29:15
It was it was less than two days and they had already made some
29:20
leniency and giving back the OK outside.
29:21
We're going to pull timers back in loot council, stuff like that
29:24
outside of combat while you're in an instance.
29:27
And they are like if you look at the patch notes today for alpha
29:30
that came out that we're going to talk about in a bit, there
29:31
are more changes coming. Nothing that affects weak chorus
29:36
or bigwigs or LVY or any of those add-ons.
29:39
But there is another note that says, hey, next week with the
29:42
net, with the alpha, with the phase 3A build, there will be
29:44
more changes and that's good. But I do want to speak
29:46
specifically to the accessibility piece because I
29:49
think that is the part and as well, like Lex, I'm I I can't
29:53
speak personally, but there is a very well written article on
29:55
Reddit, which that's the first time I've ever said those words,
29:59
that connection. I'm not typically a Reddit
30:02
person, but this was sent to me by a fan of the show, a friend
30:05
of the show, a FAZ head, if you will.
30:08
Just shoot. We're just we're just we're just
30:11
shooting things out there. See what hits.
30:13
But in that it was from the Undaunted Guild and they they
30:18
are a entirely deaf Guild and at the deaf and hard of hearing.
30:20
I think it's the terming that they use in Warcraft.
30:23
There was a whole feature done by them on them, by the Warcraft
30:26
team itself, and they rated a pretty high level.
30:29
They rated a mythic level and they use weak auras and add-ons
30:33
extensively so that their Raiders can play.
30:35
And it's not just them, it's other it's people with color
30:37
blind issues. So yes, there is a color blind
30:39
option in Warcraft, but it's for one specific type of color
30:43
blindness. And spoiler alert, there's way
30:45
more than one type of color blindness.
30:48
Visually impaired people play the game, all these things and
30:50
they use all these different for different reasons.
30:53
And we are with, with the current restrictions as is, all
30:58
of their capability to play is gone.
30:59
They will just not be able to play the game.
31:01
People who've been playing the game for 21 years, who've been
31:03
playing since the very first alpha will just now not be able
31:06
to play the game in the way that they play it currently.
31:10
And the part that really scares me is it feels like they're just
31:14
going to be collateral damage so that we don't have a Fractalis
31:16
boss next expansion. And I want to read one of the
31:20
quotes there because people I saw recently on Twitter, people
31:23
were accusing add on developers of using that accessibility card
31:27
for the benefit of their add on. And also where some people are
31:32
mistaking, you know, that the calls for the need for
31:34
accessibility features as in saying, oh, we're just making
31:38
the game easier. And so this quote is from Terry
31:40
Smith goes by. I'm going to try to pronounce
31:43
their character name, but I'm probably going to butcher it.
31:45
So if Terry, if you ever hear this, I apologize.
31:47
Diazrael or Thiazrael? And the quote is that there's a
31:52
dangerous misunderstanding spreading through parts of the
31:54
community and design philosophy right now that accessibility
31:58
means making things simple. And that isn't true.
32:01
Accessibility means options, visibility, and tools that
32:04
empower players to engage at the same depth as everyone else.
32:07
Simplification removes challenge.
32:09
Accessibility preserves challenge and gives players the
32:12
means to reach it. And here's here's my biggest
32:15
fear is that that community of players, that entire swath of
32:20
people who play this game as their only outlet, who play it
32:25
because it's where all of their friends are, who play it because
32:27
it's how they cope and how they deal with things.
32:29
We've been playing it for 20 years.
32:30
We've been playing it for 10 years and playing it for for two
32:32
years. This game that was built on and
32:35
thrived because of its its ability for the community to
32:38
build accessibility options is going to lose that potentially
32:42
forever. And the harm that that will do
32:44
that that really, really scares me and I, I adore Blizzard and I
32:50
do think that they can get their tools, their cooldown manager,
32:54
their name plates, their boss timer warnings to a state that
32:59
will be good enough for abled players.
33:03
I don't know if I'm using these terms wrong.
33:04
I disabled community. I, I swear to you, I do not mean
33:07
to be, I'm trying to be inclusive, but I don't, I
33:12
honestly truly do not believe that the Blizzard team is big
33:14
enough or has the experience to build these tools for these
33:20
people who need them in these super niche areas where they
33:23
need them and we're turning off the ability for the community to
33:26
build them for them. I'm so scared that that's going
33:28
to happen. I would rather fight 100
33:30
fractalless bosses then then lose that.
33:34
And by definition, even if Blizzard, which I I agree with
33:37
you, Sean, I don't think they have the resources and I don't
33:39
want them to be dedicating resources to that degree of like
33:44
Razor, like like decision making, right?
33:47
That's the benefit of add-ons is that somebody can sit down and
33:50
they can think like, what are all of the individual possible?
33:53
Like if you guys go into week wars, the options you have are
33:56
huge, right? I want that to be an add on
33:58
developer. I don't want that to be a game
34:00
developer who has a million other things on their plate.
34:02
But one thing we've seen consistently is when Blizzard
34:05
does bring in accessibility, there's a lot of time.
34:08
I had a friend who really like really struggled with dragon
34:11
riding and it made the first, I think it was the at least the
34:16
first full patch, if not the first two patches of
34:19
Dragonflight really bad for them.
34:22
And yeah, eventually they got the option to turn on static
34:27
flight, although they did point out that they had to work for
34:30
it. Whereas, you know, I, as
34:32
somebody who's comfortable with dragon riding, was flying
34:34
through the air day one, but it did mean that they had a rough
34:38
time. And if that had, you know, that
34:41
that was when we, we had a dragon riding raid boss and that
34:44
was really challenging. And we, I mean, we, well, we
34:46
ended up doing that guildies who could fly them.
34:49
But it if that hadn't been an option, like when that wasn't an
34:53
option, it was just bad. And it just made the game really
34:57
tough and just feel terrible. Like even if something isn't in
35:01
the moment affecting you, knowing this game has this like,
35:04
looming thing that you just can't do that sucks.
35:09
That just feels bad. And yeah, I agree.
35:11
I, I everything else, I, I would rather have crappy encounters
35:16
that I have to do weak wars for than take people out of World of
35:20
Warcraft. Right?
35:20
I I don't think that my desire to play the game in a certain
35:23
way means that other people shouldn't be able to access it.
35:29
I think the hardest conversation to have is where the difference
35:40
can be made. It is obviously not something
35:45
that I would prescribe to anybody at Blizzard that they
35:48
would rather never have a Fractus encounter again and say
35:53
that we don't care about Undaunted.
35:55
I don't think that's a position that anybody is ascribing.
35:59
And so the conversation becomes, what are the things that provide
36:05
accessibility while not creating computational powers that have
36:14
created this issue that Blizzard has been fighting against?
36:18
There is the change that they did where they're like, OK,
36:23
we're going to make something, have a have a private aura.
36:31
And then people created macros around private auras.
36:34
There was a conversation about when they design all of these
36:40
changes, if they were going to then change the game, change
36:45
classes, change a number of other things so that people
36:49
didn't require the things that were in there.
36:52
And in that conversation lies the like, OK, well, if you're
36:58
changing the ability for add-ons not to have this, how are you
37:02
then making it having design that is not ableist?
37:05
And you're right, there are so many things that are hard for
37:08
people to to handle if they don't have the same
37:12
functionality of sight that I do, or the same functionality of
37:16
movement or hearing and, and so many other things.
37:19
And you're, you're right, that is a lot for Blizzard to take on
37:23
my question. And I don't think that there is
37:26
any right answer. My question becomes, if there is
37:31
no perfect solution, is it not worth pursuing at all?
37:36
And I, I pause there, it's like, OK, is it more harm one way or
37:45
the other? Can I really say that if Sean
37:49
doesn't get to play at all because it creates A impassable
37:52
barrier, is that one person locked off worth what they're
37:59
trying to do? And a certain point, they do
38:04
have to make that decision, right?
38:07
There is point where you design A game and it has the reaction
38:12
speed that is not possible for particular players, not even
38:16
including like people with like visible ability changes, right?
38:24
There are times where you design something and it doesn't even
38:29
include situational disabilities, which are a thing.
38:33
And I know there was like a big issue about this last year, but
38:39
let's say I'm the sole caretaker of a little kid and I can't take
38:47
30 minutes to push through a mythic plus.
38:49
Wouldn't it be great if mythic plus had a pause timer?
38:52
But if mythic plus has a pause timer, can that be abused?
38:55
And if I argue for it and somebody argues against it, are
39:00
they being ableist? So like, it's, it's a very
39:03
thought conversation. And so I would, the only thing I
39:06
would sum this up with is make sure that you're not jumping to
39:11
a conclusion on people's abilities or their point of view
39:16
and have an honest conversation about like what is reasonable
39:20
accommodation and what is too much a cost to make it more open
39:27
for developers to design different encounters.
39:30
And, and we did have this conversation a little bit with
39:32
the one button rotation. And I, I am on your side.
39:35
Like by definition, a game, especially a game that's
39:38
complex, is going to be inaccessible to some people,
39:41
right? There are like, there's just no,
39:44
everything is going to be inaccessible.
39:46
Like I, I, I have yet to see a perfectly accessible thing and
39:49
it doesn't exist just because of how many disabilities there are
39:52
with so many competing needs. I think my biggest thing here is
40:01
like, yes, choices are going to have to be made.
40:06
I think they're not talking to people who they need to be
40:08
talking to. I think they're moving way too
40:11
fast. And I think choosing to do it in
40:13
a time when their devs are so spread thin simply because
40:17
developing a new expansion is a huge undertaking and they're
40:20
putting so many different things in.
40:22
I think this was a time that they just cannot do it, do it
40:25
respectfully. They simply, yes, like they're
40:27
going to have to weigh these. They're going to have to think
40:28
it through. They're going to have to try to
40:29
figure out exactly what works and what doesn't.
40:34
But I think that this is the worst possible time to do it and
40:39
the worst possible way because again, if they had just said
40:44
five months ago, we're going to turn off add-ons in midnight, we
40:49
would be able to that this conversation could have been had
40:53
at a time that they could be doing more testing.
40:55
They could be pulling in guilds and, and, and people who are
40:58
affected by this and having those conversations with them.
41:01
Putting it out now means we're all kind of hamstrung, right?
41:07
Because there are other things they're going to have to fix.
41:09
There are other things that, you know, we, we need.
41:11
We, I don't want them to exclusively make midnight about
41:13
the UI updates. And so this I, I, I think that
41:19
they're doing this poorly. I think in an attempt to not,
41:22
and, or either because things are coming out so quickly and
41:25
they're not thinking them through or because they're
41:27
trying not to upset us by kind of keeping a couple of things
41:30
under wraps. I don't know which one it is.
41:33
I think that they're making mistakes and I think that this
41:37
was something that should have been a mid patch decision, not
41:42
not a new expansion decision. The conversation that they were
41:45
saying like they were considering it back and forth, I
41:48
don't think this was a clean decision.
41:51
I don't think the team was unanimous about this.
41:54
And I think that this was a going back and forth
41:56
conversation and that's why it switched part way through.
42:00
But this is the reality that they've created.
42:03
They're going to have to to own it.
42:05
I have already, we've already seen that there has been some
42:09
successful pushback. And I hope that they are
42:13
definitely having some intense conversations and looking at how
42:17
things are coming. But again, do look back at our
42:20
earlier episodes because I think we discussed this in great
42:23
detail there with a number of different points that we haven't
42:25
brought up on this. But that's the big fallout from
42:29
phase one. From there we move into phase
42:32
two and Phase 2 is going Live Today as of this recording,
42:36
looks like that we're going to be going into Solomon, and that
42:40
means that the level cap is raising from 83 up to 88.
42:45
That means we have two new dungeons, the Den of Nalarak,
42:49
the Mycera caravans, we've got Delves for Lex and all you delve
42:55
enjoyers which I might be 1 of. Suddenly we've got Twilight
43:00
Crips, A Talaman that are going to be open for testing for a
43:05
special thing that we weren't wasn't actually on the list.
43:09
There is a raid test for the March of Caldonas.
43:13
The first boss Belleran child of Allah is going to be a.
43:19
That was there last week as well.
43:21
I thought it was in the pre test but not in week one it was.
43:25
AI did notice that you could talk to the guy.
43:26
I was too scared to do it, but you couldn't it It was always
43:29
possible for you to talk to them and.
43:31
I don't know what happened. You can actually talk to him, he
43:34
scales you up to level 90 and then when you leave you stay
43:36
level 90 and keep all your talent points.
43:38
So if you want to test yourself at Max level without doing any
43:42
of the leveling, I don't know if that bug still exists in this
43:46
bill, but it existed last week. Got it.
43:48
But just so you know, after this week, this test is going to be
43:52
removed, but it'll be back, of course, when they're doing other
43:55
testing. But this was should allow them
43:57
to test out some of these things like the boss timeline, the
44:02
encounter warnings and various things in there.
44:06
So, you know, if you can get together a group to test this,
44:11
please do so. At least for the UI stuff as
44:13
well, there are some further class changes.
44:18
So right off the heels of the massive sweeping changes that we
44:22
saw with alpha phase one, many classes, but not all have
44:26
received further changes. Some of this is putting in
44:29
functionality that wasn't a quite able to make phase one.
44:33
Some of it is some adjustments that should make what was put in
44:37
phase one a little bit different.
44:40
Further iterations there, but do check out those patch notes to
44:44
go through those. We don't want to dive into
44:46
everything here because again, they are big stuff in that one
44:51
of the changes that they have made that is again iterative is
44:55
that class sets and raid weapons and all of that will now change
45:01
their appearance after they've reached the full upgrade track.
45:04
Last week there had been a conversation about the fact that
45:09
the upgrade would not change the appearance at all.
45:12
And many people were saying, well, this meant that they were
45:15
locked out of those mythic only appearances unless you rated
45:19
mythic. Blizzard has said that OK, we're
45:23
we understand a passion and the want of people to do to do this,
45:28
but we want it to be more clear. So now when you fully upgrade an
45:31
item, it will switch to that new appearance.
45:34
And that means it's a little bit more work for for some people,
45:37
but it does. I think this change does feel
45:41
kind of natural in my mind that it's like, oh, you've reached
45:43
the the top level of this ability and now you get the the
45:48
new look. Something that I would normally
45:50
skip on show notes, but it's quite important, especially
45:53
given the conversations we've been having, is that there have
45:57
been improvements on name plates, cool down manager, text
46:02
to speech, and add on security so that the API is now a little
46:08
bit different than it was on Week 1.
46:10
And that the stuff that is based to the game that they're trying
46:14
to use to quote UN quote, bridge that gap, it has been reiterated
46:19
on. And that is great that they're
46:20
iterating it on that fast. They need need to keep doing
46:23
this, especially with the trajectory they're on.
46:27
And then, of course, last but not least, a little bit of data
46:29
mining that I think is really cool.
46:32
Mr. GM pointed out that crests are being updated with names
46:37
that match the gear that they're intended for.
46:41
So if you want to update a veteran piece of gear, you're
46:43
going to get veteran crests with whatever special name it it
46:47
happens to have void Crest or holy Crest or whatever.
46:50
If you want to get mythic gear upgraded, well, mythic crests
46:54
are are there for that. And I think that is the way it
46:57
should have been specifically on this show.
47:00
When we had a chance to talk with with Ian, though, one of
47:03
the few questions that I got through was this seems strange
47:06
that you're using this nomenclature when you change
47:10
when you change it, aren't you going to have to redo the names
47:12
and confuse people? Well, couple of years later and
47:16
I get to like, rub that question in his face.
47:19
Anyways, I'll be smug about that.
47:21
Count that as my win. I'm gonna pass this off to a
47:24
much more humble person. Sean, what do you think?
47:27
I love it I'm excited prop paladin Avengers shield now
47:30
generates holy power again. Let's Efren go I so we I was
47:37
always a little bit down on the add on stuff there earlier on,
47:40
but I have to say last week in alpha and I and I assume that's
47:42
going to carry on through this week.
47:44
But the last week in alpha was the most fun I've had in
47:46
Warcraft since I don't know Nya Latha.
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It's it just like I started. I started the game of vanilla.
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I fell in love with Warcraft in The Burning Crusade when I did
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my first prop palate in my first blood off and I went to the
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Eversong Woods. The Eversong Forest and Blizzard
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has brought me back and the team has done such an amazing job.
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The zone is crafted with such care and such attention to
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detail and it's beautiful. And the stories and the quests
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are touching and I love them. And the transmog is beautiful
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and the adjustments they've made to the classes and the specs
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feel nice. I can see their vision, which is
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I think more important right now than anything else is being able
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to see that vision that they they say they have this week.
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And I love it. I can't wait to dive in.
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As soon as we end this episode, I'm going to go hit some target
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dummies on the new prop out. And because it's it's just
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rocking. It's just been so good.
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And I am, like you said, I'm glad to see them making those
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changes. We're going to get a new fee, a
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new alpha build every week as we get through the five phases, and
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then we'll probably roll into beta.
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So I imagine it's five weeks of alpha, then beta.
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It is so, so important that Blizzard be agile in these five
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weeks, whether that's with the the name plates, which still
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needs some work, the cooldown manager, which still needs some
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work, or just the general class, general class talents and, and
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balancing. And, and they're, they're making
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changes like it's great to see. They say they're listening to us
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and you can see that they are because shaman was basically
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stripped to the bone rester. Shamans were given riptide and a
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stick of gum and that was all they had and the shamans were
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upset. They wanted more and they got
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their cloud burst totems back. So yeah, Blizzard is, is doing
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good things in that regard. We just need them to follow suit
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with the add-ons And if at the end of this journey we get to
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midnight and add-ons are like basically back to where they
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were, but they found some way to remove that computational
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aspect. But we can still do all of the
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visual changes that we need to want to do.
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I'll be really happy, but I'm also going to be a little bit
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pissed off that they put everybody through all of the
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stress up to that point. But but we'll be happy.
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But I just will be like, why would you make so many worry for
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so long if we're the end goal was to just get us back to this
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point? But we'll figure it out.
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We're going to get there together.
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The alpha looks great. Hopefully get access.
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Don't wait for your emails. Check your being out launcher.
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I still haven't gotten my e-mail to say that I'm in and I'm in.
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So please check your check your being out launchers.
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Get in there and test these dungeons with me.
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You can avoid the delves. They feel very much like the
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delves this year. Sorry, that's not bad.
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We will have to have, we will have to have a conversation
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about Delves in the next episode.
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But let's give Lex the final say.
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Lex, what? What are you liking about Alpha
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so far and what are you looking forward to in Phase 2?
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Don't give me the final say, Manny.
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OK, I'll. Follow up after you.
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Love that. So me personally, I'm throwing a
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little bit of a tantrum. I don't love the Havoc changes.
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It doesn't feel super great to me personally.
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I don't know. I, I, I honestly haven't really
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seen what other people are saying about it, So I don't know
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how other people are feeling about it.
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I, I, I didn't expect that losing sigil was going to make
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me feel so sad. I thought that I was really
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excited when I saw that, but it's turned the rotation so like
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limited that it bores me honestly, which is so silly.
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It's like one or two buttons that they took away that I was
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pressing, but that one or two button hit me a little harder
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than I expected. Again, I'm throwing a tantrum.
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I really do not like that meta does not reset I beams.
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I didn't again, I would not have pegged out of something that was
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going to like change how much I enjoy havoc, but it like I I
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would much prefer that they'd nerfed everything like if that
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was the issue that it was too powerful.
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I'd much prefer that meta just kind of drop down a little bit
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because having that burn of like, first of all, the fact
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that I don't have to think about it and I like I I could just
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blow meta the second I see it and then I'd be like, oh, what
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are my I beams at? When do I the whole I beams so I
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can do meta? I don't like that.
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I think it actually made it more complicated when the point was
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to to simplify and also like they're just when you jump into
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meta and you like you have your rotation immediately when you
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pop it down and you're just like go, go, go, go, go.
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That feels so good. And losing that has just felt
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bad. And the, you know, consolation
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prize is supposed to be devourer.
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But I have not played range DPS kind of ever.
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So I didn't realize how hard it is to do solo.
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I've been like talking such a big game about how I'm like, Oh
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yeah, like Dells aren't that bad.
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Like, I know it's a little different for different classes,
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but like, solo play and what I'm doing it totally fine.
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And now I'm trying to do it as a range DPS and I am just not in
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enjoying it. And I talked to my ranged
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friends and they did say that it gets better as you get further
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on. I'm relatively low geared even
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for alpha and but the range is harder to do solo, which makes
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sense, right. And so that's, that's been a
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little sad because that was the thing that I was really excited
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about. And I think I might still like I
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wanna test it in dungeons and I I might, I might raid on it, but
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I don't really see myself gearing on dev just because I am
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having such a tough time moving from tanky melee to not tanky
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ranged. Lex I have we have a solution
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for Lex before Manny takes the last word I What if I told you I
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could make you tanky and give you back Sigila flame you?
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Want me to do vengeance? Yeah.
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That's also why I know that I'm being such a whiny little baby
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about the, like, eyes not resetting or meta not resetting
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anything because that's true of every other Demon Hunter.
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Like that is a havoc only sort of thing.
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Yeah. And I I should, I actually, I
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tanked most of our all of our heroic grade on Monday.
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So it was a re clear. It wasn't anything important.
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It wasn't anything important. It was just a re clear.
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And I did, I did wipe us a couple of times.
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I wipe just once, but I do I really do enjoy tanking.
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I need to learn vengeance a little bit more.
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And I mean like also, like I said, I'm throwing a tantrum.
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These are both things that if if havoc had never had them, I
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wouldn't be sitting there like it sucks that when I go into
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meta, it doesn't reset everything right.
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So I'll get over it it, it's going to be fine.
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It has just been a little bit sad to be like have gone into
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midnight so excited about what Demon Hunter is looking at like
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and after the first week of being like, oh, this is actually
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I kind of prefer playing on retail.
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That sucks a little. OK, there's some very different
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perspectives and I'm glad that contrast has got shown.
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So where you lie might be 1 extreme or the other, maybe
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further on either side of the spectrum or somewhere in
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between. So make sure you're having your
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voice heard. Go over to the forms and put
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those in. Or you can just jump into the
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FAZ discord at bit dot LY FAZ discord.
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But until next time, may all your hits be crit.