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is zoë kravitz the real muse of midnights & ttpd? · gasp! the pod

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What the hell is going on with these two girls?
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Hey, gaspers, welcome back to GASP, the Pod, the podcast for
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the gays, the girls and especially the gay girls.
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And today, we're talking about two very gay girls, Zoe Kravitz
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and Taylor Swift. A lot of people say, you know,
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they're friends. We're going to figure out what
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the extent of the relationship is, has been different theories,
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OK, like about what their relationship has been if they
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ever dated. And I'm going to also talk about
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my personal theory. Going through like, their entire
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friendship timeline and everything has literally taken
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me all day because it's very confusing.
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And as Cosmopolitan magazine literally says, Taylor Swift and
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Zoe Kravitz friendship timeline is so mysterious.
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That's what Cosmopolitan says. And I would very much agree.
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There are a few Easter eggs in Taylor Swift's music that does
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go back to Zoe Kravitz. So we'll go into those Easter
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eggs and just like theories about the relationship and what
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the hell is going on with these two girls.
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I also talk about Diana, a girl on in this episode because Zoe
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has been spotted with her and it just adds so much confusion to
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this entire timeline. So let's figure out what the
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fuck is going on together before we do that very, very quickly.
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everything. All right, now that that's over
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with, let's get into these two girlies because what the fuck?
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It is currently Sunday night. I'm recording this.
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I have a little Margarita. It is 10:00 PM.
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I meant to record this way earlier.
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But like, I spent so much time researching and like, double
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checking like the timeline of everything and like trying to
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put together a timeline of their relationship and like what their
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relationship could be and like, trying to figure out different
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combinations and scenarios. And I've kind of been like
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breaking my brain. Taylor Swift is just very
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confusing, even what she tells us and doesn't really make
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sense. And I think it's because she's
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misleading us with muses and not really telling us who she's
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actually dating. So it makes things confusing
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because it's like, what information can we trust?
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Like what's the truth? And we don't really know.
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And that's the cool thing about Taylor Swift.
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We kind of have to use the music.
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So that's what we're going to do.
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We're going to use the music and the public timeline, and we're
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going to put together what we think has happened or is
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currently happening. Here's what we're also going to
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cover. We're also going to cover if Zoe
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was actually the real muse of TTPD because there's a lot of
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evidence to show that she could have been.
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And I kind of said this already, but why is Zoe cozying up to
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Diana? We'll explore options for that.
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And yeah, before we get into this episode, like one of the
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reasons I wanted to talk about this is because, like Taylor has
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these, quote, friends that she spends a lot of time with and
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she like puts in her work and she like puts them in a music
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video or like specifically puts them in a music video.
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And then all of a sudden they like vanish.
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And you know what it's giving? It's it's giving like compact
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and these like intense friendships that like I had in
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high school or before that thinking that these are
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friendships and maybe they're not.
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It's being portrayed as a friendship, but like these are
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intense friendships that she's hanging out with him all the
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time and then all of a sudden she doesn't see them anymore and
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they've like a friendship quote breakup.
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I totally feel that because like I've been through that before,
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not realizing like what I was feeling was not a friendship,
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but was like these like intense short term friendships that like
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end and it's like a whole breakup and it's like, girl, I
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just went through a sapphic breakup.
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I think she knows that these are obviously sapphic relationships.
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Like she's an adult now. I think she is in these sapphic
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relationships, but to the public, it's still being posed
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in that way. And because whenever she's
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spotted with a man, it's like they're dating.
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Whenever she's spotted with a woman, they're technically
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friends. So we're probably never going to
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really know the extent of her relationships, who she's dated
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in the timeline, because that's just what she does, right?
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She keeps the mystery around it. And I do think that there's a
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level of privacy that she's created and she's using these
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public relationships to hide her real ones.
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That's really what I feel. So these are some of the
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examples of these friends that she, like, has these intense
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relationships with and then we never see them again or like,
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they kind of fall off, right? Lily Donaldson.
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This is an underground gaylor theory that I'm not sure many
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people on TikTok have really explored.
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I'll probably do an episode on this.
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Zoe Kravitz obviously we're going to be talking about today.
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Kaylee Sperry, AKA wife of Miles Teller.
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Like they were hanging out all the time.
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Kaylee like got her birthday present ring.
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They were like going to award shows together.
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They're like cozying up the Golden Globes.
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She was like on set during the I bet you think about me music
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video and then all of a sudden where the fuck is she?
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It's giving savic relationship. I don't think all of these
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relationships, friendships were actually relationships.
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I just think it's an interesting pattern and we don't know which
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ones were right. So let's explore all of them.
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Let's go into the timeline of Zoe and Taylor's friendship.
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I'll talk about the actual dates of things that we know happened
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and then what that could mean for a potential relationship.
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We will explore different options and theories when it
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comes to when Zoe and Taylor possibly had a romantic
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relationship or if they were like fuck buddies or whatever.
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OK through this timeline. So let's start out with the fact
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that Taylor and Zoe are both sagittariuses.
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I think that's extremely relevant.
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We will come back to this later. Zoe is also out as by.
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OK, so is it the craziest thing that Zoe out by and Taylor, who
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is obviously rumored to be queer and has never actually said her
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sexuality. Would it be that crazy if the
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two of them dated? No but apparently that's so
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fucking crazy to the Internet that 2 hot girls could date.
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Not to me though. First time we see them having
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this friendship is back in 2016. So there's pictures of them
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going out together. There's also picture of them
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with their, like, faces, like touching each other, like Zoe is
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part of the squad. OK, so we know that they're
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friends. She was part of the infamous
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squad, which is just interesting, right?
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2016 is a very pivotal year for me.
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For many other people, it just feels like a culture shift.
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I feel like so many things happened in Taylor Swift's life
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in 2016. It's hard to keep track.
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Who was she actually dating? Like this feels like it's the
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Cruel summer year, the year that she supposedly starts dating
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Joe. She and Carly quote, fall off?
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Or do they continue dating? Who knows?
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It's also the year that Taylor like goes dark.
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She gets cancelled by the Internet.
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So a lot of things are happening in 2016.
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Was it Joe that she started dating in 2016 or was it Zoe?
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Some argue Zoe. OK, we are unsure who her muse
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is at any certain point of time, and I'll go into this later, but
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a huge part of me believes that. No, not a huge part of me.
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I truly believe this. Joe and Taylor did not date
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fully for all those six years. Now, do I think that he was a
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fully a beard? I'm not sure.
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I think that there are arguments that are like valid for that,
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but I definitely don't think they had a solid no breakup
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relationship for six years. It does not make sense when you
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consider folklore and Evermore, which are like, very sad albums,
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and it doesn't make sense when she wrote You're Losing Me in
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2021, and then they broke up in 2023.
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So I mean, yeah, it's possible that they just stayed together.
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But like, everything's kind of looking to be like she's got
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multiple muses. During the time of 2016 until
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2023, I don't think that it was all Joe.
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We've seen a lot of pictures of Zoe and Taylor going out
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together. There's a picture of Zoe holding
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Taylor's knee. There's pictures of them cozying
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up with each other. There's enough here to show that
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they're like pretty close. Zoe started dating Carl Glusman
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or Glusman or whatever the fuck and Taylor starts dating Joe
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around the same time. Isn't that interesting?
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Could be be beards. Could be both of them were like
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fuck we need beards now. These are all just possibilities
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of when they could have dated right?
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I will go in at the very end what I feel is true.
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In 2017, end game music video drops and in the music video
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Taylor is wearing a rainbow dress while kissing the cheek of
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a girl that some people say looks like.
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So my dog just joined the chat. She's going to be sitting in the
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bed staring at me while I'm recording this, OK?
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Some people say this girl looks like Zoe and it is important to
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remember that there's a picture of Taylor kissing the cheek of
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Zoe. Kind of a similarity there.
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Fast forward to June 2019, we don't see really a lot of them
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in between 2016 and like 2020. OK?
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2019 Zoe and Carl get married, and Taylor releases Lover a
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couple months later. OK, there's Lover butterfly
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imagery, as we know, and a lot of people, including me, have
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tied that to Carly Kloss. I'm a Kaler truther, as you guys
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know. But listen, there's room for a
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lot of different theories and I will never like poo poo any
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Gaylor theory because we don't fucking know.
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We don't know her relationships. We don't know the extent of any
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of them. I'm not trying to argue any that
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I think are definitely right. There's some that I feel like
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are more likely to be true, but again, we don't know for sure.
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These are all just theories. Zoe is married and when Lover
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comes out, there's again this butterfly imagery.
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Some tie this with Zoe Kravitz in X-Men.
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Zoe is wearing like butterfly wings.
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Then in 2020, here's where things get very interesting.
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You guys. Zoe releases the show High
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Fidelity. Does that sound interesting to
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anyone? Sounds like the song High
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Infidelity from Midnight's in the Anti Hero music video.
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Fast forward a few years, Taylor Swift is standing behind herself
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in one scene and it's very strikingly similar to one of the
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scenes in Zoe's show High Fidelity.
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So some people have tied those two scenes together.
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Later in 2020, Zoe's band. And like, let's remember Zoe and
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Taylor actually quarantining together during 2020 T OK, Zoe's
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band Lola Wolf releases a song called Not Diana.
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Yeah, you got that right. And again, it's, I'm sure you
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guys know, but Taylor Swift was rumoured to have dated Diana
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Agron. In the lyrics of this song, it
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literally says, come, fly to London, come be with me away.
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Come stay with me over there. Maybe we can go somewhere.
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I know I'm not Diana, but just come with me, OK.
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And we know that Taylor and Zoe are quarantining in London, and
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Taylor was rumored to have dated Diana, so.
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Right. Yeah, some would argue, and I
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think that this is a very fair argument, that perhaps Zoe and
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Taylor were actually dating and quarantining with each other
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during the 2020 time period. Now, does this completely
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disprove that Taylor was ever with Joe?
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No. They could have broken up.
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And that's not the craziest thing, given the fact that
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Taylor is writing these very, very sad songs and, like,
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breakup songs around the same time that Zoe is writing a song,
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perhaps about Taylor. OK, it could could coincide with
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like maybe they're quarantining together.
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Maybe they're feeling like they're having more than just
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friends feelings. Maybe they're an open
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relationship. Celebrities do that a lot.
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OK, all of these options are possible.
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November 2020 Zoe films The Batman in December 2020.
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There's a Cosmo article and it's talking about Zoe deciding to
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quarantine with Taylor and about how Taylor helped out with this
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photo shoot. So like, they're actively
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spending a lot of time with each other, a lot of intimate time
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with each other. The quote is quote.
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Zoe decided to quarantine with Taylor and Joe Alwyn during the
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early days of the pandemic while she was filming The Batman in
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London. Now here's what's interesting
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about this. Why didn't they mention Zoe's
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husband? When did Zoe actually say Taylor
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was with Joe? Did they just add that because
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they like assumed Taylor was with Joe?
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I don't know. Beards exist.
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And also open relationships. And also Taylor probably wasn't
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communicating that maybe they had broken up or were in a rough
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patch. Again, we don't know their exact
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relationship, but continuing on with the quote, in an interview
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with WWDNYT Mag editor in chief Jake Silverstein revealed that
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Taylor even helped out with Zoe's photo shoot for the
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December Great Performers issue quote.
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Zoe was being very strict about social distancing guidelines
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because she's shooting a movie and Taylor Swift was in her pod
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and willing to assist. So Taylor helped take these
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pictures. That's how close they were
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during this time. Then T later in that month, Zoe
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files for divorce from Carl. Kind of matches up with the
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theory that maybe Zoe and Taylor were starting to have a fling.
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Maybe Zoe cheated on her husband with Taylor.
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Would it be the craziest thing? Because Taylor writes a song
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called High Infidelity later? And I don't know what about the
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song Illicit Affairs, that was written kind of around the same
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time. Then January 2021, Taylor writes
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You're losing me, Let's remember that.
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March 2021, Taylor writes High Infidelity.
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So remember when we talk about Midnights, we talk about any
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album. It's not being written the year
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it's released. It's being written around 2
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years before it's released. So Midnight's could really be
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incorporating a lot of what happened during this time in the
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pandemic and lingeringly after when obviously Joe and Taylor
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are not doing well because she writes you're losing me in 2021.
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So is it possible they could have broken up or had a rough
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patch or whatever, whatever. Totally.
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It seems like that's kind of what's happening, right?
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August 2021, Zoe and Shanning Tatum start dating.
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Okay now when it comes to their relationship, Shanning Tatum
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gives at least bye to me. If not gay they could be in a
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lavender relationship. They also really or sorry they
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broke up, but they also really gave me open relationship
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throuple vibes to be honest. March 2022.
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So we're kind of going through a few years here.
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We don't have a lot of pictures of Taylor and Zoe around this
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time. Like this is still kind of the
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time that Taylor's really not like out and about.
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She hasn't really entered her like performance artler era yet.
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So she's still kind of like communicating through her music.
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She's really not doing pop walks.
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March 2022. Taylor post an Instagram story
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celebrating Zoe and the Batman and this is again the movie that
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Zoe filmed around the pandemic. So Taylor was around during that
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time in her life and she wrote in all caps Zoe is the Catwoman
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of dreams. Now I feel like she wanted to
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say Catwoman of my dreams but took it out because maybe it was
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like too obvious because it just kind of like sounds weird for
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her to say like Catwoman of dreams.
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Who says anything like that? Anyways, June 2022, Taylor and
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Joe vacation in the Bahamas and stay in Lenny Kravitz trailer.
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So at this point it's seeming like on paper that Taylor and
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Joe are together after she's writing You're Losing Me.
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So what's possible, right? Taylor and Joe could have broken
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up and maybe gone back together. Maybe he's a beard this entire
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time and it's kind of irrelevant.
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But my question is, if Joe like, knew that Zoe and Taylor had
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been together, would he have wanted to stay in Lenny
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Kravitz's trailer? I don't know.
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Unless they're in an open relationship and maybe he didn't
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give a fuck. Maybe they were buy for buy.
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It's confusing. It's confusing, even if you
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think Taylor was just with Joe, it's confusing that she's
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writing this song. You're losing me and they don't
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break up for another two years. If they were in this solid 6
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year long relationship, it seems like they obviously had rough
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patches and it's not the craziest thing, but they could
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have broken up during a certain amount of time.
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But again, I will go through what I think happened later on.
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Fast forward October 2022 to when Taylor releases Midnights
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with Zoe. So this album had been written
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around 2021 and 2022. So this is kind of the time that
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Zoe and Taylor are, you know, close.
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The pandemic has already happened.
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Zoe had already broken up with her husband.
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Taylor is going through a rough patch with Joe, right?
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Seems like there could be a lot of songs that are inspired by
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potential, perhaps relationship or romantic fling with Zoe.
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Zoe, as we all know, wrote and also did background vocals for
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Karma and Lavender Haze. So they're writing together OK.
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And I would argue that makes her a poet.
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I think so. Lavender Haze obviously has
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queer interpretations. Also could be taken as Lavender
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Marriage. This is a whole other episode,
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right? We're not even going to go into
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it, but what does Lavender Marriage mean?
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It means bearding who could have been in a lavender marriage, Joe
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and Taylor, Zoe and her husband. Or maybe it's not a lavender
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marriage. Maybe it's just queer in
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general. Maybe it's talking about how
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Taylor and Joe were buy for buy and they're both seeing other
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people. There's a lot of options here.
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The whole music video is kind of about Taylor being trapped in
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this house. It's giving COVID quarantine.
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And she like, kind of just wants to stay in this bubble, OK.
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And this is also the song that Zoe Kravitz Co wrote.
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It's just very Stoner vods. It's giving Zoe Crapitz.
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I really feel like Zoe got Taylor into smoking hardcore
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during the pandemic. Zoe has literally said that she
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smokes weed. And we now know that Taylor does
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because she goes to these, like, weed events.
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So yeah, it's really giving like Stoner.
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Vibes it really feels like Zoe had that touch and obviously she
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did because she Co wrote the song.
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Ella's just saying I want to stay in this lavender haze.
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I feel like she's like I just want to stay in the pandemic
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where like no one can see what I'm doing and the situation is
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kind of perfect for her. Maybe she's seeing someone on
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the side with Joe Either way she's quarantining with Zoe
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Kravitz so seems like a great situation.
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So we Kravitz also Co wrote Karma with Taylor Swift as well.
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Taylor also drops the Bejeweled music video.
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We're all familiar with this music video at this point.
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I know we are but let's remind ourselves OK Jack is forced to
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propose to Taylor. It literally says the Prince is
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forced to propose, which is just giving bearding.
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And it feels like predicting something, something that she
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may do later. And then Taylor Swift ghosts and
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gets the castle. So Taylor Swift does not want
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the Prince. But Zoe makes a cameo in a
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portrait behind the queen, which is Pat McGrath, which is just
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like, why is she in this music video?
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I just feel like it's reminding us that, like, Taylor Swift is
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going to get the castle and Zoe's going to be there too.
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Like Zoe lives there too. It it just feels queer and it
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just feels like Taylor is really just trying to put Zoe in as
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much as possible. And this is what I mean where
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it's like when she is dating someone or obsessed with someone
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or like has the sapphic relationship with a girl, she
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like puts them in her work and she like showcases them and then
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they kind of drop off and it's like, wait, what is going on?
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Right. She has Karlie Kloss in a music
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video. It's giving that.
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OK, so then we know Taylor started writing TTPD right after
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Midnight's. She said it took her two years
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to write this album. So if you are Swifty that thinks
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it's completely just about Mattie Healey and Joe, that
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means like she wasn't writing any songs until around April of
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the next year. DPD having the muse be Zoe makes
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sense because it's kind of a continuation of this Midnights
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era where Zoe is very prominent in it.
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And I think the other thing is like, I'm to understand the
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timelines of her relationships or her music based on like what
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the media and like her PR and tree pain tells us, right?
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So we are told that Taylor and Joe break up in the spring of
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2023. What if that's not the case?
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What if they had broken up back in like 2021 when she wrote
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You're Losing Me or 2022? That would kind of make a lot
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more sense too, because if she started writing this album like
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a year before they broke up, you would think there'd be like lot
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more love songs on it. But it seems like a lot of the
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songs about Joe, if they are about Joe, are kind of being
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like, this already happened and like I'm kind of healed in a
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way. And a lot of people have talked
22:58
about this Midnight's feeling like it's going through the
23:01
breakup actively as it's happening.
23:03
I think that makes more sense, the timeline.
23:04
But it's just confusing. There's a lot of different
23:07
timelines, there's a lot of different options for things to
23:09
play out. And we don't really know what
23:12
happened. And then perhaps after Joe and
23:15
Taylor broke up, maybe it was earlier, then Zoe and Taylor
23:19
started dating, and then she wanted to find a muse to
23:23
represent Zoe, and she found Maddie Healy.
23:26
You know what I mean? So like, there's options to
23:29
this, right? November 2022 GQ interview And
23:34
Zoe says that Taylor is one of the best cooks she knows.
23:38
There's a photo shoot and there's a picture in the shoe
23:41
and Zoe's literally blowing smoke onto like a shag carpet
23:45
and it's really giving Lavender Haze.
23:47
I feel like it's Zoe being like, remember I'm a part of Lavender
23:50
Haze and like tying them together in their work.
23:54
Right in the article, she also says, quote, she was my pod
23:58
referring to Taylor Swift, which is funny because before we're
24:01
hearing like, oh, they had this pod and they were a part of it,
24:05
but Joe was a part of it and other people or whatever.
24:08
But then Zoe Kravitz is saying she was my pod like just them to
24:14
interesting. She says, quote.
24:17
She was a very important part of being in London.
24:20
Just having a friend that I could see and that would make me
24:22
home cooked meals and dinner on my birthday.
24:25
So we know they were quarantining in London.
24:28
There's a lot of London imagery, right?
24:31
What if all the songs we thought about Joe when it came to London
24:36
and England and the countryside and everything like that, What
24:39
if those songs were actually about Zoe?
24:41
Remember, Zoe and Taylor were spotted together in 2016.
24:44
Is it possible that Zoe and Taylor have had this six year
24:48
long relationship and Joe the entire time was a beard?
24:52
Or Zoe kind of came into the picture around 2020 and then
24:57
Taylor was like, OK, I need it to look like I'm still with Joe,
25:00
but I'm actually with Zoe for the next few years until someone
25:05
else came along. Perhaps that was Carly.
25:07
You know what I mean? Like who's this new muse that
25:10
she's falling for? There's multiple options here.
25:13
And I think like, I'm just really excited to hear like what
25:16
your guys's theory is. Again, I have my own at the end,
25:20
but it is interesting that like there's other muses that were in
25:24
London with Taylor. It's not just Jeff.
25:26
Fast forward around like six months, April 2023, that's when
25:31
Joe and Taylor technically break up or at least hear the news
25:34
about it. Now around those shows that Eris
25:38
Tour has just started. She is very emotional.
25:41
I will give you guys that or the headlers that are not listening,
25:44
but she is very emotional. The question is, did something
25:48
else happen? And she was like, OK, maybe this
25:51
can be the time that I say that I break up with Joe.
25:54
Did her and Zoe have a fight? Maybe her and Zoe actually were
25:58
the ones to break up. I don't know.
26:00
The reason why I don't think that's when her and Zoe would
26:03
have broken up is because a month later, Shannon, Tatum and
26:06
Zoe are spotted waiting to get let into Taylor's New York City
26:09
apartment. So again, we'll never know.
26:11
Maybe she was having a fight with someone, maybe she was in
26:15
like a messy situation ship, maybe her and Zoe we had a
26:18
falling out and then got back together.
26:19
I don't know. Then we see a few months later,
26:22
this is when Maddie Healy appears on the scene.
26:25
And apparently Maddie and Taylor date in May and June.
26:29
OK, but let's remember Taylor Swift has already been writing
26:33
TTPD August 2023. Then Maddie and Taylor are no
26:37
longer dating. Carly shows up at the LA Heiress
26:40
Stewart show. Guys, I understand you're
26:42
confused too. There's so much fucking going
26:45
on. OK?
26:46
It seems like all of Taylor's female axes are throwing
26:49
themselves at her. I bet it was fucking confusing
26:52
as hell for her. There's no way to fully
26:54
understand the complexity of perhaps someone's relationships.
26:57
I mean, think about like a chaotic year in your life and
27:01
like, think about if you wrote music about it, would people be
27:04
able to decipher when something started and when another ended?
27:09
And perhaps it wasn't that clear cut.
27:11
Maybe she was on and off with Zoe and then Carly came on the
27:15
scene. Maybe she was dating Joe.
27:17
They broke up, then she was with Zoe and then they broke up.
27:21
Carly came on the scene, she comes back with Zoe.
27:23
Who fucking knows? But I do think it's more
27:27
complicated than like she was in a six year long relationship.
27:30
Maddie Healey happened, boom, she's with Travis.
27:33
I don't think there was a stop and point.
27:36
And as she admits in a lot of her music, there's infidelity,
27:40
there's affairs, right? She's guilty as sin.
27:44
She is trying to talk to people when she's in a relationship.
27:48
It's confusing. And I think girlies got a lot
27:51
going on at this period of time. And just the possibilities are
27:55
limitless. In August 2023, Taylor spotted
27:58
being really close to Zoe at Jack Antonoff's wedding.
28:02
Now this is the summer that now she's supposed to be single and
28:07
Travis is about to come onto the scene.
28:09
But this is really what, like, sparked my interest in the whole
28:12
Zoe and Taylor thing. Before, I was like, oh, that's
28:15
interesting that they're like Zoe's by and they're hanging out
28:18
a lot together. Like maybe they were just like
28:20
hooking up or whatever but like them being so cozy, woozy with
28:24
each other like linking arms, walking out of the wedding like
28:28
Zoe's like reaching for her and like touching her shoulder.
28:30
Like they just look very close. Again, they could be friends or
28:33
whatever the fuck. I do think Taylor Swift does
28:36
have just friends but I don't know which is which and who is
28:40
who. There is a black two piece set
28:43
that Taylor is wearing. I think it was the rehearsal
28:46
dinner of the wedding, or maybe it was the actual wedding, but I
28:48
can't imagine she would have worn black to the wedding.
28:51
And it's very similar to a two piece black set that Taylor
28:56
wears during the TTPD promo. Just interesting, right?
29:00
These comparisons. All right, flash forward a
29:03
couple months, October 2023, Taylor and Selena and Kaylee and
29:08
Zoe all get dinner in Sushi Park.
29:10
If there was a possibility of Zoe and Taylor having this short
29:14
romance and then maybe it faded, that wouldn't really match up
29:18
because now October they're still together.
29:20
Is there a possibility that like Taylor rebounded with Zoe but it
29:24
was actually way longer than she made it seem with the Maddie
29:27
Healey situation? And that maybe she wanted to use
29:30
Maddie Healey as a longer beard but like he got fucking
29:33
cancelled and was racist so she had to like throw it all away
29:37
and then make it seem like it was a very short fortnight
29:39
affair. Like maybe she wanted to use
29:41
Maddie Healey for the entirety that she was or is with Zoe, but
29:47
couldn't because Maddie fucked himself over and then she still
29:50
had time to write the music to make it seem like it was a short
29:54
affair. That's a possibility.
29:55
Right around this time in the fall, Travis and Taylor start
29:59
dating. So again, maybe Taylor is like,
30:00
I fucking need another beard Oh my God.
30:02
And I need someone that's going to be stable and not fucking
30:04
screw themselves over so I can actually keep this beard.
30:08
And then around the same time, Zoe and Shannon Tatum get
30:11
engaged. Isn't that interesting?
30:13
Maybe around the time that Zoe and Taylor start getting
30:15
serious, they're like, we need some real ass fucking serious
30:19
beards in this bitch. December 2023.
30:21
This is like when I'm like, holy fuck.
30:24
These girls are like front and center in each other's lives.
30:28
Remember, they're both Sagittariuses.
30:30
They're both at each other's birthday parties and the
30:32
pictures I'm about to show are taken with the same camera.
30:35
And it's that classic quote, buck ass filter that we know
30:39
that is Taylor's camera and they're both holding each
30:43
other's cakes for each other as they blow out the candles.
30:46
It's just giving girlfriend holds the cake for you at your
30:48
birthday. It just clearly shows that
30:50
they're both very important in each other's lives and so much
30:54
so that Taylor's like, I will take the pictures of you for
30:57
your birthday. Interesting. 2023 to 2025.
31:01
Again, we don't really see much of Taylor and Zoe.
31:04
This is what I mean when there's kind of a drop off.
31:07
So who knows, Do they drop off? Do they stop seeing each other?
31:10
Maybe that was kind of the end of the affair that she writes
31:15
about in TTPD that people later ascribed to Mattie Healey.
31:19
Or are they just trying to go underground so people don't
31:23
suspect their relationship and maybe they're still together?
31:25
August 2024 though Taylor post an Instagram story praising Zoe
31:30
on her directorial debut on Blink Twice.
31:33
She says that she is quote obsessed over every detail and
31:36
says that she's blown away. It is possible that they had an
31:39
affair and or like a post Joe breakup relationship and it felt
31:46
really important at the time and like it was going to be a
31:50
forever thing and then maybe they just went right back to
31:53
being friends. Lesbians are fucking crazy, so
31:56
that's not the craziest thing ever.
31:58
We're friends again after whatever the fuck just happened
32:03
anyways. And I would actually respect
32:06
that so much more. I've like Taylor Swift, like
32:08
fucking spiraled over Zoe Kravitz.
32:10
I got it. It's Zoe Kravitz.
32:11
So that is possible that they had this, you know, crazy
32:14
affair. Maybe Zoe was like, I can't do
32:17
this because of the fame or being secret or whatever the
32:20
fuck. And they broke up and who knows
32:22
what happened and then maybe they went back to being friends
32:24
or maybe quote friends, like maybe they aren't really that
32:27
close anymore. Around this time that Taylor
32:29
posts a story about Zoe. Zoe and Shanning Tatum attend
32:33
the Heias tour. So maybe they're back on in
32:35
August 2024. Zoe is on Fallon and she says
32:40
Taylor Swift just comes over after her Heias tour.
32:43
And we drink some wine and eat a burger and hang out.
32:46
So I guess they're at least friends at this point.
32:51
Maybe they're trying to pretend like they're friends, Zoe says.
32:54
Quote, you would never know that she just performed at Wembley.
32:57
So they're touting each other. They're obsessed with each
32:59
other. They're talking about each
33:00
other. Maybe they're still together at
33:01
this point. Maybe they're friends.
33:02
Benefits In October 2024, Shanning, Tatum and Zoe break up
33:08
officially. Now that same month then Zoe is
33:12
spotted with Diana. So very shortly after Shannon
33:15
and Zoe break up. OK this is where shit gets crazy
33:19
and I lose the plot. I got to be honest.
33:22
Zoe and Diana are spotted together.
33:25
It is literally posted on Halloween of 2024.
33:29
Zoe's pictured with Diana Agron and friends, and Zoe's the only
33:33
one not in the group costume. And the group costume is Lady
33:37
Die, which obviously Diana makes sense.
33:40
But it gives to me that Zoe was like where are you tonight?
33:44
And Diana was like come join and like showed up last minute.
33:47
That's what it gives to me. And this kind of begs the
33:50
question, are Zoe and Diana friends?
33:52
Are they lovers? And if so, are Diana and Taylor
33:56
friends still, If Zoe and Taylor are friends and Zoe and Diana
34:00
are friends, Taylor is at least hearing about the Diana
34:03
situation and is maybe in that friend group.
34:06
To add some evidence to this. Now, a lot of people say that
34:09
like, you know, after the supposed breakup of Diana and
34:12
Taylor, like they're not really in each other's lives.
34:14
However, there was an actual witness.
34:16
I'm not sure about the credibility of this witness, but
34:18
I'm going to report it in October 2019 that Dianna Agron
34:22
was actually at Taylor's SNL performance.
34:26
And did Taylor invite her or was this kind of a curly Kloss heirs
34:30
to her situation where Diana just showed up?
34:32
The whole shit is so messy you guys.
34:34
It's so fucking messy. This is the post from Heartbreak
34:38
Princess on Tumblr. It says quote.
34:40
So I just left SNL's live show with Taylor Swift and Phoebe
34:43
Waller Bridge. Dianna Agron was sitting beside
34:46
me and said hello. She's the most beautiful human
34:48
being I have ever seen in my entire life.
34:50
Real. So that happened as Taylor, Zoe
34:54
and Diana always been in this friend group.
34:56
Are they in a fucking throuple? Who is dating who?
35:00
I would be happy with any of them dating each other.
35:02
So only about a week after Zoe and Diana are spending Halloween
35:06
together, Taylor and Zoe go to dinner together.
35:11
And this is actually the last time they were spotted in the
35:13
same place. Now it's been winter.
35:16
It's like almost April. So it's not like that much has
35:18
been happening. Like, people have been holed up.
35:20
It's been a shitty winter, right?
35:22
So it's not the craziest thing, but it's notable.
35:26
They went to dinner in New York City with a few other people as
35:28
well. Taylor wore that striped dress
35:30
with rainbow paint. You know what I'm talking about,
35:33
The one that like looks kind of like Victorian and it apparently
35:38
was an 8 hour long dinner. This is giving to me.
35:41
You know, a lot of people say, Oh my God, they're debriefing
35:44
the Shanning Tatum breakup. This is giving to me what the
35:47
fuck is happening with Diana Agron?
35:50
That's what it's giving to me. And then this is around a week
35:53
after Zoe and Diana hang out again in LA.
35:58
This time there's a picture of them by paparazzi of them the
36:01
back of a car looking drunk and like smiling.
36:03
And this is again, a mere week after Zoe had this 8 hour long
36:07
dinner with Taylor. And Taylor at this point must
36:10
have heard how the night went with Diana.
36:12
This is giving to me. Taylor and Zoe are friends now,
36:17
and Zoe's giving Taylor the debrief.
36:19
I can't imagine that they're doing this for performance just
36:22
to show that they're friends. And maybe they're broken up and
36:25
they have this 8 hour long dinner, right?
36:28
And there are other people there, so it's not like they're
36:30
having a tense conversation. It's giving.
36:32
Spill the tea. So it's either spill the tea
36:34
about Shanny Tatum or spilling the tea about Diana.
36:36
If Zoe and Taylor were dating at this point, I can't imagine
36:41
Taylor is chill with Zoe just hanging out with her ex.
36:45
Or maybe she had this dinner because she was pissed at her.
36:47
The whole thing is confusing. It's so much drama and I'm
36:51
deeply curious if Diana and Zoe are ever going to hang out again
36:54
or what the fuck went on with that.
36:56
But there was obviously T being spilled to Taylor about these
37:01
situations. And then in 2024, as I kind of
37:04
said before, Cosmo writes this article that says Taylor Swift
37:07
in Zoe Kravitz. This friendship timeline is so
37:09
mysterious, Cosmo. I agree.
37:11
So again, I have no idea what's happening between Diana and Zoe,
37:15
But that whole situation, as iconic as it is for me, tells me
37:20
and shows me that Taylor and Zoe were not dating when Zoe's
37:24
hanging out with Diana. Unless Diana is just now really
37:27
good friends with Taylor and they're all really good friends
37:30
together and like they're chill with that.
37:32
Again, Saphix are crazy. So it's not impossible.
37:35
Let's go into some of these songs that could be about Zoe.
37:39
And of course, we'll go into TTPD, but let's start with
37:42
Midnight's right and do some lyrical analysis.
37:45
OK, let's start with high infidelity.
37:47
So first of all, this song is about cheating and we know Zoe
37:52
has ATV show called High Fidelity, and there's just such
37:57
a blatant Easter egg there that just feels so clear that it's
38:02
about Zoe Kravitz. I beg of you guys to pull up The
38:05
Prophecy and High Infidelity and play those two songs because she
38:10
does this humming or like who at the end of each song that sounds
38:15
very similar. And I feel like when she's
38:18
writing the prophecy, perhaps it was after a breakup with Zoe and
38:21
she was like, what the fuck am I going to do with my life?
38:24
Kind of questioning everything and if she was ever going to
38:26
come out. And you know, using the high
38:30
infidelity humming as like a callback to that song to show
38:34
that there's a connection here with Zoe.
38:36
Possible the high infidelity lyrics when you read them, it
38:39
really could be taken as this is a song from Zoe's point of view
38:44
right? Sounds like someone who's in a
38:47
marriage. OK and person writing this song
38:51
cheated put on your records and regret me.
38:53
I bent the truth too far tonight.
38:55
I was dancing around it. Dancing around it.
38:57
High infidelity put on your headphones and burn my city.
39:00
Your picket fence is sharp as knives.
39:02
Do you really want to know where I was April 29th.
39:04
It's giving cheating right? And around this time when she's
39:07
writing midnights. It's around 2021 and Taylor and
39:11
Zoe we had just spent quarantine together and Zoe had just filed
39:16
for divorce from her husband. Storm coming good husband bad.
39:20
Almond dragged my feet right down the aisle at the house.
39:23
Lonely. Good money I'd pay if you just
39:26
know me. Seems like the right thing at
39:27
the time. It seems like it's coming from
39:29
Zoe's point of view regretting getting married.
39:32
Some people also think Glitch could be about Zoe Kravitz.
39:35
I mean the first lyric is literally we were supposed to be
39:37
just friends. Now I sometimes fall victim to
39:41
thinking that every line about being friends with someone
39:43
turned romances about Curly Kloss.
39:45
But Taylor Swift has other queer friends that she's been rumored
39:48
to be with like Zoe Kravitz, so I could really see this.
39:52
She says I think there's been a glitch. 5 seconds later and
39:54
fastening myself to you with a stitch and it seems like them
39:58
quarantining together right? Like all of a sudden she's like.
40:02
In this relationship with Zoe, it's quarantine.
40:03
Her and Joe broke up, brief interruption, a slight
40:06
malfunction. I'd go back to wanting dudes who
40:09
give nothing. I thought we had no chance, and
40:11
that's romance. Let's dance.
40:13
It's really giving quarantine to me, or at least the period after
40:17
that, around 2122, where Joe is falling short and she has this
40:23
friend that turns into something more than we also have The
40:26
Labyrinth, where she's writing a song about falling for someone
40:30
new. I'm falling in love again.
40:32
Again. I always am skeptical when
40:35
Taylor Swift starts an album out with saying these are songs not
40:39
written about my life right now. It's actually songs from the
40:44
past. Like in Midnights she goes,
40:46
these are from Midnights, from throughout my life.
40:49
And it just feels like a cover up of saying I'm not in this
40:52
solid relationship that I brand myself to be in.
40:55
And so when she wants to write about her life, she has to cover
40:58
that up with saying they're either fictional stories like in
41:00
Folklore Evermore, or that they're actually just throwbacks
41:04
to 10 years before, which I don't always believe that.
41:07
I don't think that that's not ever the case.
41:10
But I think a lot of these songs are about her current
41:12
situations. When she's saying she's falling
41:14
in love with someone when she's writing Midnights in 2021,
41:18
that's just peculiar given the fact that she's supposed to be
41:20
in this loving relationship with Joe.
41:22
Then of course, we have Lavender Haze, which we already talked
41:24
about, and Karma, but we also have Bejeweled.
41:27
And of course, Zoe Kravitz didn't actually write Bejeweled.
41:31
However, Zoe Kravitz is in the Bejeweled music video.
41:34
And this whole song is literally being like, I'm kind of jailed
41:38
up. I didn't really go outside.
41:39
And now all of a sudden, you know, like she's trying to like,
41:43
see the light of day again and going out again, perhaps
41:47
flirting with some other people. Perhaps this person is Zoe
41:50
Kravitz. Everyone looking back after TTPD
41:54
at this song is like, Oh my God, When she says when I meet the
41:57
band, they ask, do you have a man?
41:59
I can still say I don't remember.
42:01
Everyone says, Oh my God, that's about Maddie Healey and his band
42:03
1975. Or is that about Zoe's band?
42:07
Zoe has a band that wrote I'm not Diana or not Diana.
42:12
Then she writes this is in bejeweled sapphire tears on my
42:15
face, sadness became my whole sky.
42:17
But some guy said my auras moonstone just because he was
42:20
high. People are like, Oh my God, that
42:22
high guy is Maddie Healy. Could this be Zoe Kravitz?
42:26
Like they're both sagittariuses and she gets high all the time.
42:30
It kind of matches and it makes sense that Zoe would be into
42:33
astrology and is like talking about her auras moonstone
42:38
because she knows her aura. It's gives, it gives astrology
42:42
guy, it gives Zoe Kravitz to me. Finally, let's go into the
42:46
torture post department and the possibility that Zoe is actually
42:49
the muse and not Maddie Healey. This is the straight swifty
42:54
perspective, right? That these few songs like The
42:57
Black Dog and So Long London are about Joe and then these songs
43:01
about wanting to be with someone else and feeling guilty about
43:04
it. Torture post department guilty
43:06
as sin, whatever is about Maddie Healey and then these new love
43:10
songs about Travis Kelce, which there's like fucking 2 if that
43:14
maybe one. But there's a possibility like
43:17
we've explored that Zoe is actually the muse and not Maddie
43:21
and maybe she chose Maddie Healey to date during this
43:24
period of time to use as a muse to cover up the songs that she's
43:29
already written about Zoe tattoos.
43:31
That's high all the time, right? Someone that has already been in
43:36
her life that they're like starting this flame again.
43:40
That all matches up with Zoe. And perhaps, you know, her and
43:43
Zoe are exploring this relationship again.
43:46
And she's like, I need someone to tie these songs to.
43:49
Now, before I've argued, it could have been Curly Kloss.
43:51
It could also be Zoe. And I don't know.
43:53
I'm kind of convincing myself right now because it kind of
43:56
makes sense that she'd be writing these songs about this
43:58
person. And then it's like, I need a
44:00
tattooed druggie to tie these songs to and chose Maddie
44:04
Healey. And then once Maddie Healey
44:06
fucking fucked up and said some racist as shit, Taylor was like,
44:10
I cannot attach myself to him, I need someone else.
44:13
And then chose Travis Kelsey. Who knows how long the Zoe
44:17
situation lasted. It kind of makes sense to me
44:19
that the muse would be Zoe. And this muse that she talks
44:21
about is someone that like, they've kind of been in each
44:24
other's lives before. They're a poet.
44:27
They're a cinephile in black and white.
44:30
That is very much Zoe aesthetic, right?
44:33
She talks about how she loves movies.
44:35
I mean, she's literally a filmmaker.
44:36
She talks about weed a lot. She is tattooed, very known for
44:40
having tattoos. She has been a previous muse and
44:43
has written music before. And a lot of people are like, Oh
44:46
my God, Maddie Healey has written with her before.
44:48
Zoe's written with her before and she was with her around the
44:51
summer of 2023. That people think that she wrote
44:54
these songs. It really matches up in my
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opinion. And I think it makes a lot more
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sense that she would have like kind of like lost everything or
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Zoe was barely mourning her relationship with Joe because
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she's in this new relationship with Zoe that was quasi
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cheating, right? We can look at the torture post
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department, which I think really fits Zoe.
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You left your typewriter in my apartment Straight from the
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torture poets department. I mean, she's literally writing
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music with Taylor Swift and Jack Antonoff, she says, throwing
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spikes down on the road. I've seen this episode and still
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loved the show. Zoe wrote a show called High
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Fidelity. Maybe Taylor's literally
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referencing Zoe's show that she wrote, He says.
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Who else decodes you and who's going to hold you?
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You smoked and ate 7 bars of chocolate.
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Zoe smokes weed. I scratch your head.
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You fall asleep like a tattooed golden retriever.
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Zoe has tattoos, she says. Sometimes I wonder if you're
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going to screw this up with me, but you told Lucy you would kill
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yourself if I ever leave. It actually makes more sense
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that Zoe would be talking with Lucy.
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Not because I think that they're close friends, but obviously
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Lucy's a friend with Taylor and I'm sure Zoe has been in rooms
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with Lucy before and like, I'm sure they're friends because of
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that because like all of Taylor's friends are kind of
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like forced to be friends with each other.
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But also it makes more sense than Maddie Healey.
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Lucy is like not nice to Maddie Healey.
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It like it's pretty obvious that Lucy does not like Maddie
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Healey. So yeah, I don't know.
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It just makes sense. This song is about Zoe and not
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Maddie to me. And anything you want to like
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put on Maddie kind of works with Zoe.
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Besides, the song can fix him. No, really, I can.
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That feels like just a song that she was like, I need a song
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that's like so clearly really acknowledging that Maddie Healey
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is a fuck ass guy. And here's the song.
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I'm going to write it really quickly.
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Here you go. That's what I think.
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OK. Then we have like, guilty as
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sin, which kind of makes sense. My Borden's bone deep.
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This cage was once just fine. Am I allowed to cry?
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I dream of cracking locks, throwing my life to the wolves
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or the ocean rocks. She's dreaming of someone else
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that she's kind of been in contact with before, maybe over
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the course of COVID and everything, and she wants to
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leave Joe for this person. These fatal fantasies giving way
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to labor breath. And then of course, we have this
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very gay bridge that just doesn't make sense if you're
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talking about Maddie Healey. What if I roll the stone away?
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They're going to crucify me anyway.
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What if the way you hold me is actually what's holy?
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If long-suffering propriety is what they want from me?
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They don't know how you've haunted me so stunningly.
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So I choose you and me religiously.
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There's so much gay religious trauma in that and it just fits
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a female muse and a gay relationship so much more than
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fucking Maddie Healey. Like what's religious about any
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relationship with Maddie Healey? Nothing.
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But also talk about fresh out the slammer, right?
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She's leaving this boring ass man for someone that's not a
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boring ass man. Like he doesn't know me.
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You know me, right? Who else decodes you?
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You. This person gets her.
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Someone that's been close to her prophecy, like I've said before,
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is so similar to high infidelity with like the way she hums.
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This could have been written like maybe after her and Zoe had
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a falling out. Maybe it was in that six months
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after their birthdays where they didn't really see each other.
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Maybe they did break up. And she was like, I thought, you
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know, this was really going to be my person.
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And now I don't know what the fuck to do and look unstable.
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Gathered with a coven around a sorcerer's table, A greater
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woman has faith. But even statues crumble if
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they're made to wait. I'm so afraid I sealed my fate.
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This song makes sense to be about her because it's about
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mourning a relationship, but also it's kind of about being
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cursed. I got cursed like Eve got
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bitten. It's queer, it's religious, it's
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original sin, something that she can't get rid of because she's
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gay and she will always be reminded that she is.
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So some people could say, OK, is the Black Dog and so long London
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about Zoe. And maybe these songs that we
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thought about Joe were actually about Zoe because they were in
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London for so long together. Maybe her home she views is with
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Zoe and like that would be the theory that her and Zoe Zoe were
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dating for a long time and then maybe she and Zoe were the ones
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that broke up after Midnight's and they were collaborating and
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then she leaves Zoe for someone else.
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Maybe that's Karlie Kloss. Let me tell you guys my theory
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right now that really doesn't add up to me.
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The idea that her and Zoe were together for so long and then
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she like left her for some other muse.
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Unless the argument is that this other muse that she is feeling
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guilty for liking never existed. Maybe she was playing that up to
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make it make sense why she had a different beard or something or
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like why her and Joe broke up. But it doesn't make any sense to
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me. Here's my theory and again I
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will never discount anyones theories again.
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We will never know what happened.
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Here's what I think. I think Zoe and Taylor have been
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longtime sapphic friends that are like close with each other
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but aren't doing anything crazy, right?
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I think that happened in 2016. They started being friends then.
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I think they got really close during quarantine because Taylor
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was stuck in London. And I do question mark think
50:01
that Taylor was in London for either Joe or maybe Lily
50:04
Donaldson or someone else. OK.
50:06
I think she was in London for a relationship that wasn't Zoe for
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a few years, and I think she wrote Folklore and Evermore and
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I think her and Joe either stopped dating or had a rough
50:19
patch or they were seeing other people, etcetera, right?
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And I think she quarantines with Zoe and they get kind of close
50:25
and I think they hook up. And I think that doesn't bother
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Joe because either he was seeing other people or they were broken
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up or whatever. But it does bother Zoe's
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husband, Zoe's husband and her break up.
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And this triggers Taylor to write High infidelity.
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Perhaps at this point, Zoe is like, we can't be in a
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relationship because I just I'm getting over a divorce and
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Taylor and Joe rekindle things and they're back together.
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Given those pop pics that kind of seemed convincing to me in
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the Bahamas because like they did not seem as staged as like
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Travis and Taylor when they went on their vacation.
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Not impossible that those were staged, right?
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But this is my theory for I think right now, but I change it
51:04
all the time. But maybe Taylor and Joe started
51:06
working things out again. But of course, it's fragile,
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right? And she's still kind of mourning
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this relationship after like 2020.
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And she's writing folklore and Evermore.
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OK. She starts seeing Zoe privately.
51:19
They're texting again. She's writing these songs like
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Guilty as Sin. Her and Joe finally break up.
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And she is actually upset about this.
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And it's formally set in stone that they are not dating.
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But perhaps they were kind of on and off for the last few months.
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Her and Zoe start dating in this kind of crazy relationship that
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goes until the summer, fall and winter.
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I think this could make sense because I can't really see that
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she's the muse of TTPD. And then it stops because they
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see each other in August. In October, they're with each
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other for each other's birthdays.
51:55
That feels like they're together for me and they have this like
51:57
whirlwind relationship. I think originally Maddie Healy
52:01
was going to be the muse for her but it didn't work out because
52:04
he was racist as fuck so she needed to find another muse.
52:07
She found Travis Kelsey more stable long term beard right?
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Then her and Zoe stay together until December.
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Again, this is just my current theory.
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After that they have a falling out.
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Maybe Zoe can't do this long term beard situation.
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Maybe they realize that they're actually just better off
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friends. Who knows?
52:26
Sapphics are crazy. OK, so maybe they were just
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like, this is not going to work. Or it seems like from the songs
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Taylor's written that Zoe breaks it off.
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OK, they don't see each other for another six months until
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August of 2024, which would make sense in that timeline.
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But I do think these TTPD songs about this like tattooed smoking
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Muse, I think those songs are about Zoe.
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I think where it stands now, just based on the fact that
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Zoe's hanging out with Diana, I feel like Taylor and Diana are
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friends and perhaps they had this like crazy whirlwind
52:59
romance, but maybe looking back on it, it wasn't as crazy and it
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was just like in the height of her breaking up with Joe.
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I don't know. We're not going to know for
53:07
sure. But it does feel like to me that
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this muse of TTPD is about Zoe and they are no longer together.
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Maybe they were never actually really dating and they were just
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kind of like hooking up. Maybe Curly Kloss came along at
53:22
the era's tour and picked Taylor Swift back up.
53:24
And actually that's the muse. And maybe she's heartbroken
53:27
about her. But maybe also some of these
53:30
songs about Zoe are true. I think Taylor is way more
53:32
complicated than we think. And I think it's possible for
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like, all of these theories to be right.
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You know, think about like your biggest horror era.
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It's all possible. Let me know what you guys think
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and what your theories are and what timeline of their
53:46
relationship would make sense. What you think Diana and Zoe are
53:50
prep to do you guys think that they're dating?
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I think that wouldn't be the craziest thing.
53:55
Maybe Taylor is happily with someone else and none of this
53:59
even happened. Or maybe Taylor is happy and was
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like, whoa, that was crazy of me.
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But me and Zoe are friends now and is like pushing Zoe and
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Diana together. I don't know.
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And it's so sad that we will never really fully know maybe
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until we get a tell all book. All right, that's it for this
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episode, and a reminder to subscribe for that bonus episode
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I'm dropping later this week. OK, Love you guys.
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Bye. I'm gonna go drink my Margarita.