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RRR W/ Rob - Save The Drama For Your Mama · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Hey there, pull.
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: Up a chair Rob's got a question to share.
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  Speaker 3: Started with a light red rod and an old note
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  Speaker 3: in the margin thinning.
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  Speaker 1: Then a side road turned to three.
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  Speaker 4: More roads and here we go again.
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  Speaker 2: A photograph, a witness, a date that doesn't quite align.
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  Speaker 3: One small fact becomes a winding track by a quarter
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  Speaker 3: after nine.
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  Speaker 2: Random research, ramblings with a rock.
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  Speaker 4: From odd little facts to the big what ifs We'll
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  Speaker 4: follow every tangent till the evidence slips Random research ramblings.
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  Speaker 1: With Rob Bring your questions, bring your curious thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Was it the grassy note or a file misfiled?
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  Speaker 3: Rob's got a theory but he's checking them out.
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  Speaker 1: No final answers, just a notebook.
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  Speaker 5: And a grin Tooling for the question And the rabbit
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  Speaker 5: hole within.
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  Speaker 2: Random research ramblings with Rob Where the side note is
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  Speaker 2: where we begin.
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  Speaker 6: What's up, everybody? It's your favorite time of the week again.
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  Speaker 6: It's some random research ramblings with Rob, a.k.a. Big Bad Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Man.
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  Speaker 6: It seems like I cannot get out from in front
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  Speaker 6: of this camera. Again, I apologize for the audio issues
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  Speaker 6: in the live stream this week. It was brutal doing
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  Speaker 6: the entire show again, but I felt it needed to
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  Speaker 6: be done. For those of you who appreciate it, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you guys for sticking with it, watching it, and
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  Speaker 6: all of the great feedback Now, let's get into some
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  Speaker 6: random research ramblings. So, a couple months ago, I was
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  Speaker 6: a little hypercritical of Paul Blow and his Murder, Inc. articles.
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  Speaker 6: over on Kennedy's and King and his appearance on Ciphered Past.
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  Speaker 6: And let's just say I was approached by a researcher
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  Speaker 6: who I respect immensely, who I think has done fantastic
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  Speaker 6: work on the case, and asked to kind of mend fences,
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  Speaker 6: if you will, that maybe I've Pop this guy's balloon
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  Speaker 6: a little bit. And you know, I'm not an asshole
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  Speaker 6: until you push me there. So I reached out. I
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  Speaker 6: sent a very nice email to Paul. Not necessarily apologizing
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  Speaker 6: for what I said, but more of an explainer. As
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  Speaker 6: to why I said what I said... And maybe... How
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  Speaker 6: he could approach the subject... A little differently... The email
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  Speaker 6: I got back... Was kind of a... Nonchalant shrug off.
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking... Alright, whatever... Screw this guy... You know, whatever... Um.
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  Speaker 6: And then all the drama with Cyphered Past, you know,
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  Speaker 6: because I point out that they pay for subscribers. I'm
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  Speaker 6: the asshole, right? And by the way, if you're wondering
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  Speaker 6: why I haven't dropped the subject yet and why I
• 5:12
  Speaker 6: continue to point it out, it's because Tim Gardner has
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  Speaker 6: yet to do a mea culpa, and he has yet
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  Speaker 6: to admit to paying for subscribers. I'm sorry, but when
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  Speaker 6: you get over 30,000 subscribers in three months, and it's
• 5:34
  Speaker 6: not because of what you're doing, it's quite obvious to
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  Speaker 6: me you're paying for subscribers. So just admit it, dude.
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  Speaker 6: Be honest with your audience. It's time for you to
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  Speaker 6: mea culpa and go ahead and admit what you're doing.
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  Speaker 6: And everybody sees what you're doing. I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, do you even have a job? Tim, you
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  Speaker 6: say you have two kids and a job. How in
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  Speaker 6: the hell do you find time To put a podcast out.
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  Speaker 6: Every other day.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it feels like you're trying to catch up.
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  Speaker 6: Like you desperately want to. Pad those numbers. Those video numbers.
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  Speaker 6: Those episode numbers. I don't know. Maybe that's just me
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  Speaker 6: being an asshole.
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  Speaker 5: But.
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  Speaker 6: I digress. So anyway, because both of these MFers are
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  Speaker 6: still on my radar, and, oh, Paul Blow was just
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  Speaker 6: on that show again, I swear to God, you could
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  Speaker 6: play a drinking game. If you want to play a
• 7:02
  Speaker 6: drinking game with yourself, go listen to Cyphered Past, episode 100,
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  Speaker 6: with Paul Blow on there, and take a drink every
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  Speaker 6: time you hear the words, org chart and regime change specialists. Okay?
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  Speaker 6: You will be fucked up by the time that show
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  Speaker 6: is over. I'm just telling you. Unbelievable. Unbelievable how many
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  Speaker 6: times he says that. And again, my criticisms are fair. Look,
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  Speaker 6: The CIA as an organization existed long before the Kennedy assassination,
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  Speaker 6: and they've been around long after the Kennedy assassination. They
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  Speaker 6: serve some kind of purpose and intelligence for this country.
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  Speaker 6: Are they evil because they're secret? I don't know. That's
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  Speaker 6: the mantra put on them. Is it a deserved title? Maybe.
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  Speaker 6: But just because an organization who is based on doing
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  Speaker 6: things clandestinely in the intelligence world, in secret, away from
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  Speaker 6: the prying eyes of the public and foreign entities, does
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  Speaker 6: not inherently make them an evil organization. Certainly they can
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  Speaker 6: look suspect in some things, yes. But just because you
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  Speaker 6: have a bunch of names on a chart of people
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  Speaker 6: that had jobs, like legit jobs, doesn't make them culpable
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  Speaker 6: in the Kennedy assassination. And I don't care how many
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  Speaker 6: org charts you want to show me. Or how many
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  Speaker 6: regime change specialists you want to point out to me.
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  Speaker 6: And how many of these guys knew each other and
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  Speaker 6: worked together. It's a job. You know how many guys
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  Speaker 6: I know and work with together at my job? Does
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  Speaker 6: that make us evil conspirators? I don't know. Maybe. But anyway,
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  Speaker 6: I was listening to Paul's most recent appearance. And I
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  Speaker 6: heard something. that greatly troubled me. Not really greatly troubled me,
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  Speaker 6: but made me pause for a second. Because I had
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  Speaker 6: an epiphany around that moment. And I've come to the
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  Speaker 6: conclusion about what exactly Paul Blow is. It seems to me,
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  Speaker 6: and I could be totally wrong, this is just my
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  Speaker 6: personal opinion. Everybody has an opinion. And I've seen these
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  Speaker 6: type of guys before. They're co-opters of other people's research.
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  Speaker 6: They'll find something that appeals to them. And then they'll
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  Speaker 6: go shout it to the rooftops like they done found
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  Speaker 6: something out. However, it's something that's been out in the
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  Speaker 6: community if you were to actually go and do a
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  Speaker 6: little research and look. But Paul doesn't want to let
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  Speaker 6: people do that. He feels it's his duty to bring
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  Speaker 6: exposure to certain aspects of other people's research. And you
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  Speaker 6: can kind of see it in an arc from the
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  Speaker 6: time he came on the scene and aligned himself with
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  Speaker 6: Jim DiEugenio and Black Op Radio where his big thing
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  Speaker 6: was he had gone through all of Leno Sanic's Garrison
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  Speaker 6: files and he put out all this stuff that had
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  Speaker 6: already been out there for God knows how long and
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  Speaker 6: all of that and then you see him kind of
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  Speaker 6: arc towards Bill Simpich and his work State Secret and
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  Speaker 6: the 12 who built the Oswald Legend and try to
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  Speaker 6: write about the things in there from kind of his perspective. Again,
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  Speaker 6: Simpich does great work. It's stuff that's been out there
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  Speaker 6: for a while. And, you know, if somebody new to
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  Speaker 6: the case stumbles across it, yeah, their minds are going
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  Speaker 6: to be blown. They're going to have questions. They're going
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  Speaker 6: to want to do research. And then you see him
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  Speaker 6: hop on the Jefferson Morley train. And the Joe Anides thing.
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  Speaker 6: And the Bill Harvey thing. And then he hops on
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  Speaker 6: the Pepe letters thing. The black letters. The Pedro Charles letters.
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  Speaker 6: That Simpich and Doug had done work on before. You
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  Speaker 6: see what I'm getting at here, folks? In all of
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  Speaker 6: the work that he's spouting out now, I would say
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  Speaker 6: a lot of it belongs squarely to David Boylan. Now,
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  Speaker 6: David's a good guy. I've had him on the show. Um,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm sure he doesn't mind if Paul goes out
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  Speaker 6: there and puts his stuff out there because, um, David
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  Speaker 6: just doesn't care.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Um, He does his thing and he stays in his
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  Speaker 6: lane and he keeps on driving down the road. It's when,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he starts blowing people's minds because he's very
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  Speaker 6: good at finding documents. He's very good at analyzing documents
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  Speaker 6: when it comes to the Cuba stuff, the exiles and
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  Speaker 6: the CIA. And then I heard Paul Blow say something.
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  Speaker 6: On Cyphered Pass. And I'm going to play it for
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  Speaker 6: you right now. Here you go. Allegedly. Maybe.
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  Speaker 8: Hold on.
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  Speaker 6: Let's try this again. Here we go. Take two. Pablo.
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  Speaker 8: I'll give you a little heads up on something. The
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  Speaker 8: Emerald had access to a boat. The boat was called
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  Speaker 8: the Joanne. We have documents showing that the Joanne left
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  Speaker 8: the Baltimore Harbor a week after the assassination with a
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  Speaker 8: secret passenger list. that were kept under in the hall,
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  Speaker 8: hidden from everyone. They included 10 people. And the Johan
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  Speaker 8: ended up heading up.
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  Speaker 6: And the word.
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  Speaker 7: Exfiltration is used in describing. Think of it, exfiltration. Usually
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  Speaker 7: you exfiltrate someone from an enemy territory. In this case,
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  Speaker 7: CIA people are referring to exfiltration from the U.S.
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  Speaker 6: Using the Johan. Was that a getaway for some of them?
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  Speaker 6: It sounds like that. I heard that and I was like, boy,
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  Speaker 6: I know I've heard that before. And I've heard it
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  Speaker 6: on Doug's show when David Boylan was on there.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And that's fine if Paul wants to come out and
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  Speaker 6: say that and try to blow people's minds. I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to blow your mind, Tim. Did you know? Not one citation.
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  Speaker 6: Not one reference. Given to Doug or David. This dude's
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  Speaker 6: spouting shit out like he done found something. And he's
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  Speaker 6: all too eager. To blow people's minds. So I let
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  Speaker 6: Doug know about it. Because it's only right. So Doug
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  Speaker 6: sends me an email exchange that he had with Paul
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  Speaker 6: back in August of this year. And he says, I
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  Speaker 6: think the point made in that episode regarding the way
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  Speaker 6: documents are worded and that they are worded very deliberately.
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  Speaker 6: The word exfiltration was scrutinized here. is a really good
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  Speaker 6: point that could be applied analytically to documents across the board.
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  Speaker 6: By the United States government's own definition, the word exfiltration
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  Speaker 6: defines personnel being moved secretly from hostile territory after an operation.
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  Speaker 6: And on November 22, 1963, they are describing this as
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  Speaker 6: a black exfiltration. That it is described as such more
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  Speaker 6: than once always gives me chills when I read the documents.
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  Speaker 6: Paul answers, this interview that Doug had with David Boylan,
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  Speaker 6: I am halfway through, shows a lot of depth, detail,
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  Speaker 6: and thoughtful analysis. In 2019, my word, I am now
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  Speaker 6: even more convinced that Fitzgerald was a bad guy and
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  Speaker 6: helped fill some of the void caused by Harvey's departure
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  Speaker 6: to Rome. Involved in memos about the exfiltration, there is
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  Speaker 6: no way there is an am world involvement in the
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  Speaker 6: assassination without him being involved at the very least he
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  Speaker 6: could have easily figured things out one small comment they
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  Speaker 6: are spoken of in the collective exfil trees i tend
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  Speaker 6: to think that all nine were involved the other point
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  Speaker 6: i would make is the first wave of pepe letters
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  Speaker 6: this crucial find Has not reached the wider audience of researchers.
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  Speaker 6: It deserves stand-alone exposure, in my opinion. Good job, guys.
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  Speaker 6: Good job, guys. Yes. Good job, guys. So you see here,
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  Speaker 6: even in Paul Blow's own words and his own email,
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  Speaker 6: he says this crucial find has not reached the wider
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  Speaker 6: audience of researchers. At some point, at some point, JFK
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  Speaker 6: researchers who want to know things are going to expand
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: their horizons a little bit and start paying attention to
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  Speaker 6: podcasts like the Dallas Action, like Quick Hits, like The
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  Speaker 6: Lone Gunman to find out information. It's not like we
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: haven't talked about it before. It's not like it's out
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  Speaker 6: there for free for anybody to go find and listen to.
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  Speaker 6: It's your fault. That you haven't or you don't. That
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  Speaker 6: means you're not doing your due diligence. Even when it
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  Speaker 6: comes to the assassination. Even if you don't agree with
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  Speaker 6: anything that I say or Doug says or anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: You should always want to hear other people's viewpoints and
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  Speaker 6: opinions first. and scenarios and presentations on documentary evidence. You know,
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  Speaker 6: we're not some bullshit ciphered past show that comes out
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  Speaker 6: here and tries to talk our way through an hour
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  Speaker 6: and a half or two hours of nonsense. Both the
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  Speaker 6: Dallas Action and the Lone Gumman and Quick Hits are
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  Speaker 6: all document-based research podcasts. Which means that most of the
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  Speaker 6: things that we present here to you guys come from
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: the documents, which are hard to refute because they never
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  Speaker 6: thought that we would ever see them. Now, you can
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: sit here and say, well, those documents have been faked.
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  Speaker 6: They've burned documents. They've thrown documents away.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure they have. I'm sure they've destroyed documents. I'm
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  Speaker 6: sure there's some that they're keeping from us. I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: there's some that's been released but never digitized and aren't
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  Speaker 6: online and nobody's ever found. Still sitting in the basement
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  Speaker 6: of those archives at NARA. I'm sure of it. So
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  Speaker 6: let's continue here. Let's pull that one down. And go here.
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  Speaker 6: Paul Blow, one of the points discussed during our think
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  Speaker 6: tanks that I am only beginning to fully grasp is
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  Speaker 6: these strange movements of Lee Joanne. Good job on this.
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  Speaker 6: And Doug says, welcome to the party, Paul. David and
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  Speaker 6: I have been blowing that trumpet for seven years, trying
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  Speaker 6: to get some awareness of MV Joanne stirred up. Back
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  Speaker 6: when we did this episode, I found a Joanne that
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  Speaker 6: was listed as burned and sank in 61, and we
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  Speaker 6: wondered if it was the same boat. And then Doug
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  Speaker 6: gives him the speaker link of the David Boylan interview
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  Speaker 6: in which the Joanne was discussed. Great stuff, really. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 6: So you see, it's not like Paul is not aware
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  Speaker 6: where information comes from. He's fully aware. Yet he doesn't cite.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't reference. He doesn't give credit to those that
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  Speaker 6: found Which he should be doing. I agree. It's important information.
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  Speaker 6: It's interesting information. And it's your fault you don't listen
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  Speaker 6: to the Dallas Action. Okay? I've been telling y'all for
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  Speaker 6: years to listen to the Dallas Action. Because Doug does
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  Speaker 6: fantastic work over there. And he only showcases the most
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  Speaker 6: interesting guests. So.
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  Speaker 6: I've done my due diligence. I've pointed y'all in the
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  Speaker 6: right direction. If y'all choose not to listen to me
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  Speaker 6: or not to listen to Doug, then that's your bad.
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  Speaker 6: Your bad. Again, whether you agree or disagree with us
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  Speaker 6: or our perspectives or our opinions, you can't argue with
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  Speaker 6: the documents. Can't argue with the documents. Alright, so let's
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  Speaker 6: continue with the drama from Cypher Past. Oh yeah, there's more. Apparently,
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  Speaker 6: in episode 103, Tim had on a JFK Facebooker named
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  Speaker 6: Will F. O'Halloran. A young man I've seen him around
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  Speaker 6: Facebook for many years now. And when he came into
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  Speaker 6: the JFK group scene some 10 years ago, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he was young in high school and a lone nutter. Yep,
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: he was one of them. He was one of them.
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  Speaker 6: But much like Matt Douthit, his buddy, who was a
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  Speaker 6: lone nutter as well, has finally come around from the
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  Speaker 6: dark side and seen the light. At some point in
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  Speaker 6: their research journey, they had an epiphany. And they maybe
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: have heard one too many things that didn't quite make
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  Speaker 6: sense to them. And they decided to dig a little
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  Speaker 6: deeper than what they have been told and taught all
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  Speaker 6: these years. And that's good. That's a good thing. That's
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  Speaker 6: a good thing. But apparently he went on Cyphered Past
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  Speaker 6: and called Fred Litwin mentally challenged. Now, he stopped short
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  Speaker 6: of calling him retarded, which I'm guessing is a good thing.
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  Speaker 6: But mentally challenged is still pretty brutal. And oh, don't
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  Speaker 6: you know, Fred definitely had something to say about it.
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  Speaker 6: So let's see what Fred had to say about it.
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  Speaker 6: So over on his blog, onthetrailofdelusion.com, Fred said, I guess
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  Speaker 6: I am mentally challenged. In the latest edition of Ciphered Past,
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  Speaker 6: a conspiracy podcast, has a guest claiming that I am
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  Speaker 6: mentally challenged. Then the host accused both Gerald Posner and
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: me of doing what we do for money. And he
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  Speaker 6: goes through here and list all the things. Let's see.
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  Speaker 6: Right here. Conspiracy theorists just cannot accept that some people
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  Speaker 6: believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman. In
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  Speaker 6: this case, it's my ignorance or the fact that I
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  Speaker 6: may be mentally challenged. The other reason often used is money.
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  Speaker 6: Here's the second excerpt. And he gives the excerpts. One
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  Speaker 6: thing I can say about Fred is he has receipts. Now,
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  Speaker 6: one thing I didn't see because Tim's a pussy and
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  Speaker 6: blocked me on X because I called him out for
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  Speaker 6: paying for subscribers. But I'm the bad guy. So he
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  Speaker 6: blocks me. So I can't see what he talks about
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  Speaker 6: on there. So Fred was nice enough to post it
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  Speaker 6: from their discussion on X. Now this does go back
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  Speaker 6: to April. Full disclosure here. And basically, Fred says, I
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: will do it if you give me one episode on
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  Speaker 6: your podcast dedicated to me. He's had one in the past,
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  Speaker 6: and so let me be your guest for a full podcast,
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  Speaker 6: and then we can debate. Sure, let's do it, but
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  Speaker 6: don't attack me or Eli for having a different opinion.
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  Speaker 6: If your job is to slander us because we don't
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  Speaker 6: agree with your belief, then we won't have you on.
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  Speaker 6: Fred says, already ground rules before I appear. I'm happy
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  Speaker 6: to appear, but with no ground rules. You just have
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: to be respectful to others, Tim says. And Fred says,
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  Speaker 6: I'm always respectful. Yes, you are, Tim says, and well-respected.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's necessary for you to come on
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  Speaker 6: a solo show before you talk with David Josephs, though.
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  Speaker 6: You already said prior that you'd be willing to come on,
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  Speaker 6: so there should be no issues. Fred says, I won't
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  Speaker 6: debate unless I have a dedicated show. Joseph's had one
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  Speaker 6: to express to his views. Once we do that, we
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  Speaker 6: can schedule a debate. Still waiting. Fred, if you aren't
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  Speaker 6: willing to come on and do an open forum with
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  Speaker 6: us and respected researcher David Joseph's JFK, then I don't
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  Speaker 6: think that we should have you on for a standalone episode.
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  Speaker 6: What's the point? It's our show, not yours, and you
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  Speaker 6: don't call any shots. Fred said, well, it's up to you.
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  Speaker 6: You've had him on an earlier show, and so your
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: viewers already know what he's about. If you want. me
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: to debate, then show me the same courtesy and do
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: a standalone show with me. It's your call. If you
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: do this episode with David, we'll get you a standalone
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: episode afterwards. Scout's honor. Scout's honor. No one is out
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: to attack you. It's a healthy debate. Fred says, nope, sorry.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: And he says, as you can see, he had first
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: agreed to my proposition, then he backed out. Then he
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: tweeted this. If you can't go on a show to
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: debate your stance, what does that say about you? You
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: aren't a critical thinker. Well, one can say the same
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: thing about.
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: You, Tim.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Because I guarantee you, I guarantee you, if you had
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Fred on your show with just you, He would eat
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: you for lunch. He would send you running back to
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: your bedroom crying because he would expose you for the
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: JFK researcher you think you are. And I'm not speaking
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: out of school here, folks, because no. I wouldn't do that.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: Tim describes himself in exactly that way. Have a listen.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: I really don't know everything when it comes to this case.
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: As a matter of fact, I don't claim to really
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: know anything. I just know what I've been told from
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: different researchers, the stuff that I've... He just told you.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: I don't really know anything. I just know what I've
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: been told by other researchers, and I read a book.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, you just had a guy on your show
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: who's in some Facebook groups. Hey, anybody out there that's
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: read a book on JFK, or if you've commented in
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: a Facebook group, We'd love to have you as a
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: guest on the show. What the actual fuck is that?
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: And I like Willie. But listening to that 55-minute interview,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: I didn't come away with anything that I didn't already
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: believe or know or raise an eyebrow at, as it
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: was said But back to this, because Tim says something else.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: There we have it, people. The great Fred Litwin won't
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: come on because he can't debate David Josephs. That's what
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: we have with the lone gunman leaders. You would think
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: if you were confident in your argument, you would do
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: any for him. Tim doesn't want to have Fred Litwin
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: on the show by himself because he knows that Litwin
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: would eat him for lunch and spit him out for dinner.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: He needs to have David Josephs there to actually do
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: the dirty work and go head-to-head with Litwin on things.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Because Tim doesn't have the facilities... Or the articulation to
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: be able to even try to argue with Fred about anything.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Now what he says next really pissed me off. My
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: mission as a content creator is to humiliate those who
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: feel that they are bigger than our show. If that
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: doesn't tell you all you need to know about Tim Gardner...
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: of the Cyphered Past podcast, then I don't know what
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: to tell you. My mission as a content creator is
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: to humiliate those who feel that they're bigger than our show.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: I guess I'm on that list too. Good luck. Good luck.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: You can't make this shit up, folks. But I'm the
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: bad guy. Right?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: That would be like me getting on here and saying,
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: the only reason I do the Lone Government Podcast is
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: just to humiliate those who don't like the show. Unbelievable. Un-effin-believable.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: But back to Willie for a second. Good old Willie.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: Let me add this in here. And then I'm going
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: to drop it. I promise. Uh-oh. There we go. Here
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: is young Willie.
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: I think the obvious answer for that is Kennedy's political enemies,
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: you know, domestically entirely. I don't think there was any,
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: and I don't think there is any evidence of, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: involvement from Cuba or Russia or Israel or any of
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: that because I don't think they had any motivation or means.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Cuba didn't have a motive to want Kennedy dead. Is
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: that what you're saying, Willie? I think that's what I
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: heard him say. Could have swore that's what he said.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, forget the whole Bay of Pig thing. Forget
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: the whole Cuban Missile Crisis. Forget the whole trying to
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: kill Castro. But they didn't have a reason to want
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Kennedy dead. Yeah, that's cute. That's cute. Oh, what the hell?
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: One more.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: I did work so hard to clip all this shit.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: One more, I promise, and then I'll stop. Because, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: it's the only reason I have this rambling is to
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: just humiliate those who feel that they are bigger than
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: my show. What's going on here? All right, well, we're
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: not going to hear that one. For some reason, that
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: file is extremely large. That's what she said. Maybe we
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: can do it another way. Let's see. For the first
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: couple of years, Okay, here we go. We'll do it
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: another way, folks. Share screen. With audio. Here's Young Willie
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: opining some more.
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: My research, I was in that camp, you know, the
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: kinds of people who believe some of the more out
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: there crazy theories, but that's because when I started my research,
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: I was kind of, you know, immature in my teen
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: years and kind of just blindly went along with some
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: of those. But now after doing it for over a decade,
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: I've kind of started to take a step back and
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: look at the case a little bit more objectively, you know, with,
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: with a sense of logic and Yeah, that side of
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: the fence I don't really agree with. Unfortunately, the problem
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: with those kinds of people is that the media and
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: the loaners kind of lump us in with those kinds
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: of people. And my problem with them is that they
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: don't really look at the evidence of the facts with
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: a sense of rationality and objectivity. You know, they kind
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: of just go with whatever they hear and passively accept it,
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: as do the lone nutters. I think that's the number
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: one trait that both of them have in common.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Sure. Some are guilty of that. Sure. But I guarantee you,
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: The one that you won't debate is not guilty of that.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: Fred is very document-based in his research. Fred has been
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: to NARA. Several times, actually. As has Sean DeGrillo. As
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: has Bill Brown. A lot of these lone nutters just
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: have a different way of interpreting and looking at the evidence.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: We can all agree that the documents say what they say.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: We can all agree on certain things. It's just our
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: analysis of the evidence is different. And that's okay. It's okay.
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: But I digress. I guarantee you Tim will never have
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Fred Lipman on his show. Ever. Because he's too scared.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: There's just no way. Poor Willie, man. I mean, there
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: was some kickback about what he said calling Fred Litwin
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: mentally challenged. So, old Willie had to get on Facebook
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: and do a mea culpa. Here you go. We're not
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: going to listen to the whole 11 and 11 minute
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: and 50 second apology but at least we'll get a
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: little uh oh where's the audio alright.
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: Here we go so as some of you probably saw
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: earlier this week I appeared on Tim Gardner's podcast Cyphered
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: Past to talk about the assassination and the current state
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: of it particularly with the pro and anti-conspiracy people and
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: how both of them on both sides are guilty of
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: ignorance and misinformation especially the anti-conspiracy or lone nutter side
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: and how they just refuse to accept and continue to
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: deny the issues with the official story and don't acknowledge
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: the problems with it whenever we, on the pro-conspiracy side,
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: debate them. And I said that it makes one wonder
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: if it's willful ignorance on their part or them being
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: mentally challenged. And just yesterday, anti-conspiracy author Fred Litwin decided
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: to write a brief post on his website attacking me
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: and essentially calling me you know, immature for using that word,
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: and unfortunately, yes, and yes, I admit I should not
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: have used that term. It was definitely immature of me,
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: and obviously, it's, you know, offensive, derogatory term, and particularly,
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: you know.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: So there you have it the mea culpa the mea
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: culpa moment from young Will and like I said dude
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: I like Will but that that was a wasted hour
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: of your time Will to go on that show is
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: all I'm saying wasted it's an hour you never get
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: back it's an hour I'll never get back and uh
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: people out there don't bother either All right. Let's take
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: a look at something else here. Let's talk about some
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: actual research. Document-based research. It's hard to argue with, folks.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: And again, I think.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Will's a young guy. He'll eventually realize that it's not
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: a disease to be a lone nutter. He just doesn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: understand why some people think this way yet. Now there's
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: a reason that he thought this way because he was
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: young and naive. He doesn't understand how grown-ass people still
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: believe in the lone nut theory, or the Oswald did
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: it theory, or the Warren Commission got it right theory.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of subsects, if you will, to a
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: lot of theories. And Willie himself even makes the proclamation
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: that he thinks Oswald was involved in a conspiracy. He
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: made that admission on the show. He says Oswald wasn't
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: up on the sixth floor pulling a trigger, but he
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: was involved in a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. You can
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: have it both ways. There are folks, conspiracy theorists, who
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: believe that Oswald wasn't guilty at all. He had no
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: culpability whatsoever in it. He was a dupe. He was
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: set up. He was a patsy. He was what he
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: says he was. And that's it. There are some people
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: out there that said, well, maybe Oswald had some foreknowledge
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: that something was going to happen. Didn't do anything to
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: stop it. Or maybe he knew about the conspiracy, pretended
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: to go along with it. or actually went along with it,
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: and maybe his part wasn't to be up on the
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: sixth floor shooting, but maybe his part was to plant
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: evidence pointing at a pro-Castro imaginary guy that he had created.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: You know, I think it's pretty naive, and most loan
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: nutters you talk to will tell you that the Warren
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Commission didn't get it all right.
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: Okay?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: They came up with many conclusions. It wasn't just one
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: that Oswald was guilty of the crime, but there was
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: a lot of conclusions made along the way to ultimately
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: get to that conclusion that Oswald was culpable and guilty
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: of the crime. And if you actually take the time
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: to talk to some of these lone nutters, like I do,
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: because I love to be challenged on my belief in
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: the evidence. That is how you grow as a researcher.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: I want to have to stop and think twice about things.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Have I been believing something wrong all these years? Because
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: it can influence how you ultimately come to your end
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: conclusion about what happened in this case. It's not just
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: a one thing and that's it type of conclusion. You
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: have to take in a plethora of information and evidence
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: and somehow figure out in your mind what makes sense
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: to you. What's the most logical thing? What's Occam's razor here?
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: What's obviously wrong here? What's obviously right here? And go
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: through all the scenarios and come to a conclusion. based
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: on everything that you know, not just part of what
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: you know, everything that you know. Because if one thing
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: interferes or directly contradicts your beliefs on something else, then
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: that one thing is enough to throw everything else off,
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: to challenge every other belief that you may hold. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: that is what we try and do. The lone nutters
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: try to do it to us. We try to do
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: it to the lone nutters. You know, you think you
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: have some bulletproof, airtight evidence of Oswald's innocence or guilt.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: And you say, look, based on this, this makes the
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: most sense. And this is where we can either agree
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: or disagree. It's not rocket science. Oops. Although some people
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: think it is. And you don't have to be dicks
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: about it. You know? You don't have to be dicks
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: about it. What is this? Canvas. I don't know what
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: that is. Well, let's take a look at this. So
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: I came across a document that I hadn't seen before
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: in a file of about 250 documents. And it's just called.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: What is it called? Lots of Miscellaneous PDF. I don't
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: know where I got it. Or why I have it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: But I have it. And I was looking through it. And...
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: This is a memo to the director of the FBI
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: from the special agent in charge of Dallas pertaining to
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: the assassination of President Kennedy. Now, this information didn't come
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: out in the 60s. It came out in the 70s.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: Enclosed herewith for the Bureau is an original and three
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: copies of an LHM dated and captioned as above. Enclosed
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: for New Orleans are two copies of the same. New
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: Orleans will review indices concerning Max Allen Long, a.k.a. Maxie Long,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: a white male, January 25, 1919. Identifiable files and references
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: should be summarized and submitted for the information of the
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: Bureau and Dallas by LHM. So, We're in the middle
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: of the HSCA investigation. This is an FBI document dated
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: August 24th, 1977 concerning the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: On August 24th, Lieutenant James Hobbs, old Jimmy Hobbs, Intelligence
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Division of Dallas, Texas Police Department furnished a copy of
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: the attached intelligence report dated August 10th to Special Agent
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: Udo Specht. FBI, Dallas, Texas. I like that name. Udo Specht.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: Lieutenant Hobbs authorized the dissemination of the report as well
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: as the information he is furnishing to the DOJ or
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: to any other appropriate investigative agency. Lieutenant Hobbs advised the
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: information contained in the intelligence report concerning Max Allen Long
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: came from a police department source who he did not identify.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: Lieutenant Hobbs advised that the source also stated that Long
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: told the source that Lee Harvey Oswald was on his
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: way to 324 East 10th Street after the assassination of
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: President Kennedy. Long told the source that 324 East 10th
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: Street was supposed to have been a safe house for
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: Oswald to go to. Long advised the source that by
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: letting Oswald come to this house located at 324 East
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: 10th Street, In Dallas, this was supposed to wipe out
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: an unspecific debt that Long had with some people in
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: New Orleans. Not named. Lieutenant Hobbs pointed out that Dallas
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: police officer Tippett was killed in the 400 block of
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: East 10th Street. Hobbs advised that he has reviewed the
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: Dallas Police Department offense report concerning the officer Tippett killing.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: And the offense report reflects... Redacted. This document contains neither
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: of the FBI and is loaned to your agency. It
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. Now,
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: there is something attached here. That Lee Harvey Oswald was
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: walking west on East 10th Street which would have been
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: in the direction of the 324 East 10th Street address.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: The records of the Dallas FBI office reflect no information
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: identifiable with Max Allen Long, also known as Maxie Long. Now,
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: this is a Dallas Police Department Intelligence Division report, subject
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Max Allen Long. Born 1-25-19 on August 10th, 77, submitted
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: by Stevens. Their source is Confidential Informant 167. Again, we
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: don't know who the informant was. Subject has a criminal
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: arrest record that dates back to 1945. Subject lives at
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: 324 East 10th Street with his mommy, Mrs. Bessie Long.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: Source stated that at one time, Long was a rated boxer.
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: And after his fighting career, he operated a motel bar
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: type of business in New Orleans. Source stated that Long
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: appeared to have a great deal of money during this time,
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: but has fallen on hard times due to marital problems.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: I hear you, Max. That'll do it. Source stated that
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: he has known Long for a long period of time.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: Source stated that he is fairly close to Long and
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: Long has confided in him on several occasions. Source stated
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: that he was at Long's house and they were drinking.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: They were getting fucked up. Source stated Long was intoxicated,
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: but not extremely drunk. Source stated they began talking about
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: the assassination of Kennedy, and Long related the following story.
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: Source stated that Long told him that the club he
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: operated in New Orleans was backed by one Clay Shaw.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Shaw was a central figure in the Jim Garrison probe
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: in New Orleans. Long also told the source that he
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: knew Lee Harvey Oswald and that Oswald spent several nights
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: in an apartment or hotel over where Long was living
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: in New Orleans before the assassination. Source stated that Long
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: showed him several photographs. Source stated one of the photographs
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: was a picture of three men. Source stated that Long
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: identified the three men as being Clay Shaw, himself, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: David Ferry, all in the same picture. Source stated another
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: photograph was a picture of Long and two persons who
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: Long identified as being Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: Source stated a third photograph was a picture of Long
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: and two persons identified by Long as being Clay Shaw
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: and Lee Harvey Oswald. Source stated that Long keeps the
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: pictures in a cardboard beer box in the living room,
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: as one does with important shit. Source stated that he
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: knew Jack Ruby. and was able to identify him, but
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: he was not sure on the identification of Clay Shaw,
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: David Ferry, and Lee Harvey Oswald. Source stated the pictures
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: are black and white and poor quality. Source stated Long
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: told him that the FBI had harassed him on numerous
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: occasions when he was in New Orleans, and at one
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: time they had taken several photographs away from him. Source
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: stated Long told him that he'd refused to tell the
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: FBI anything of importance. I ain't telling them shit! So,
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: interesting if true, love to see them three pictures in
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: that cardboard beer box in that dude's living room. I
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: don't know if they ever followed up on this or
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: ran long down and asked to see these pictures or anything,
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: but One would think that they would have, just don't
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: have the documents. Damn it. Gosh, damn it. So, let's
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: see where 324 East 10th Street would be, shall we?
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: All right, here we are, deep inside Google Maps. And yes, folks,
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: this X on the ground here, painted by Matt Douthit,
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: is on East 10th Street and the location of where
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: Officer J.D. Tippett lost his life on November 22nd, 1963. Now,
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: of course, this street does not look the same as
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: it did back then. Lots of houses have been knocked
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  Speaker 6: down and rebuilt differently. At least on this side of
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  Speaker 6: the street. That's probably an original OG house. We can
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: go back down the street here a little bit. That
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  Speaker 6: looks some kind of newer. Maybe built a little on older.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know why it's blurry here.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what they don't want us to see.
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  Speaker 6: What the man don't want us to see. Look, there's
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  Speaker 6: an empty lot where a house used to sit. Bunch
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  Speaker 6: of shit on the sidewalk. And if you go down
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  Speaker 6: to the corner here. Again, I don't know why this
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  Speaker 6: house is blurred out. But that's probably an original house
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  Speaker 6: right here on the corner. Can't see this house because
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  Speaker 6: it's blurred out. But if you go down here to
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  Speaker 6: the corner. We are at the corner of 10th and Denver.
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  Speaker 6: Right here.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 6: If we were to go around the corner and go
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  Speaker 6: down Denver, there is what used to be a Greyhound
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  Speaker 6: bus station. It is now the Tornado Bus Company. Likely
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: some kind of a Mexican thing. bus company because it's
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: in Texas and there's lots of people wanting to take
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: buses back to Mexico because they don't drive. But a
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: lot of people speculate that Oswald had came from to
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  Speaker 6: this here bus station to try to get out of
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: town and either they were closed or didn't have anything
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  Speaker 6: immediately available so he walks down the street here to
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  Speaker 6: 10th street and hangs a left And starts walking down
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  Speaker 6: the street here on the sidewalk. When Officer J.D. Tippett
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: comes up on him. Right about here. Again, I think
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Tippett is traveling this way and Oswald is walking this way. Allegedly.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: So again this is 408 East 10th Street. We're looking
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: for 324. This is 404. 411. Now of course this
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: does not look like it did back then. This whole
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: entire street was taken out. We have the Officer Tippett
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: plaque right here there's some tennis courts that they built
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: I don't know if this is a construction company it
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: looks like it over here but if you come over
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  Speaker 6: here this is where it put me When I went
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: looking for 324 East 10th Street. There's no more houses
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: down this way. The street's been stopped right here at
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: this fence. It appears to be a school. Has co-opted
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: all of the grounds, if you will. This has razor
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: wire on top of it. Looks designed to keep somebody
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: in or out. Don't know what's going on there. And
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: then this is Patton Street where Oswald allegedly ran down
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: cut up this alley here ran over this way Did
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: he cut up this way? He may have cut up here.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: And then, allegedly... Did he stay in the alley longer?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure. But anyway, ran down here. Past the O'Reillys.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: Past the Hardy Shoe Store. And then finally ending up
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: here at the Texas Theater. Allegedly. So what can we
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: make of that? I don't know. It's interesting. I had
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: never heard it before. Maybe some more research needs to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: be done into Max Long and his alleged New Orleans
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: connections with Clay Shaw and all of that. An interesting story.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: Either way. But probably all it is, a story. A story. Anyway,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: That's some random research ramblings about your weekly drama report
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: from the Triple B. I'm sure there'll be more to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: come at a later date. There was a little fuckery
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: going on with the live show Friday night. As soon
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: as it got done. I mean, immediately. Immediately. after the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: live ended, I got dinged with a copyright claim for
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: both the Lauren Hall interviews that I had in there,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: the one on video and the one on audio. And
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: it was dinged by Killing Oswald, the Shane O'Sullivan documentary,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: and the company behind it called E2. Now, Doug took
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: mighty offense to this happening. and decided to email Mr.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: Shane O'Sullivan, uh, thankfully on, on my behalf and call
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: him out for it because I literally showed no parts
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: of the documentary. It was just the Lauren Hall random
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: interview and a snippet from a phone call with AJ
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: Weberman that has, can't really be sourced back to killing
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: Oswald and neither can the interview. It's in many different
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: places other than in this guy's Shane O'Sullivan's documentary. Um,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: but for it happened to that, for it to happen
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: that quick, uh, obviously either somebody was watching and tipped
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: him off or he was watching and, and, uh, filed
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: a claim. It was almost immediately after the live was done.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: And for those of you who don't know how it works,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: so once a live is done, it gets processed into
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: a VOD, video on demand. A VOD. It's what the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: industry insiders call it, a VOD. You know, and then
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: it takes a little time for the web crawlers, the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: scrapers of YouTube to analyze a video for copyright claims.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: Sometimes it can take months, weeks, sometimes even years. Like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: I'll get a copyright claim for something that, for a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: video that I've had up for like 10 years. Then
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden one day I'll just get it
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: out of the blue. Like really? Really? But, uh, You know,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: what are you going to do, man? What are you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: going to do? Anyway, that's it for me. Y'all have
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: a great week, and I'll see you soon for a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: book review. Gosh damn it. Until then, keep reaching for
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: the stars, and don't call people mentally challenged. For Christ's sake.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Hey there, pull up a chair Rob's got a question
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: to share Started with a last red card and a
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: note and a note and a margin thin. Then a
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: side road turned to three more roads and here we
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: go again.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: A photograph, a witness, a date that doesn't quite align.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: One small fact becomes a winding track by a quarter
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: after nine.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Random research, ramblings with a rock. Take the long way,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: let the rabbit hole by.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: From odd little facts to the big what ifs. We'll
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: follow every tangent till the evidence slips.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Random research, ramblings with Rob. Bring your questions, bring your
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: curious thoughts.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Was it the grassy knoll or a file misfiled?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Rob's got a theory, but he's checking them out. No
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: final answers, just a notebook and a grin.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: Tooling for the question.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: And the rabbit hole within. Random research ramblings with Rob.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: where the side.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: Note is where we.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Begin Random Research Ramblings.
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  Speaker 6: We're up!
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Random Research Ramblings. We're up! JFK questions one by one.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Talk it out, the day ain't done.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Random Research Ramblings.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: We're up!