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Brian Sanders: Are We Biblically Responsible To Stand With Israel? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Israel known as the apple of God's eye.
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This is God's land.
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This is the only country that has a deed signed by God,
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where he gave it to a specific people group
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and put them in a land for one reason.
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And that is to bless the entire world.
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But to Israel's enemies, they're known as an apartheid state
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and an occupier of the land.
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You know, Psalm 2 1 says, why do the nations rage?
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And certainly now there's even greater rage
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against the nation of Israel and the Jewish people
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from the United Nations to many other independent nations
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around the world.
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There is no group of people that have been more abused,
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more persecuted on a continual basis than Jewish people.
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Globally, they're hated by everybody.
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Even the church has adopted an anti-Semitic teaching
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contrary to God's word.
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Replacement theology is one of the greatest obstacles
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that we have to bringing the gospel here to our Jewish people
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and proclaiming it because it says that Israel has been
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replaced with the church.
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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues,
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discerning current events, defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazo.
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Very important film we want to tell you about.
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Make sure you guys can look it up.
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Why stand with Israel?
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And that's the website, whystandwithisrael.com.
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Brian Sanders is our guest today.
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And he's been in radio TV and film for decades.
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He is the CEO, executive producer, film director,
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and producer for whystandwithisrael ministry film series.
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He's also the president and director of film and TV production
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for Hope Media LLC.
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Brother, so good to see you. Thanks for your time today.
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Well, thank you so much, David, for having me on.
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It's a pleasure and it's an honor to share our film with your audience.
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Thanks so much.
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Well, let's start with all the awards.
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You go to the website right on the top there, my goodness,
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award-winning film.
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That's for sure.
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You've had this at a lot of festivals.
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So tell us about where people can get it right on the website,
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whystandwithisrael.com.
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And tell us about what caused you to dive into this project.
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Well, that's a great question.
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Thank you.
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Well, as for the awards to God be the glory,
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this is his film and he can do whatever he wants with it.
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He just asked me to make this film to awaken his church,
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awaken what we say in the church, the bride of Christ,
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that needs to be standing more with his first picture of the bride,
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and that's the Jewish people in the nation of Israel.
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And so when we started this journey,
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I started, this was eight and a half years ago,
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when we internationally released our film,
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which was actually on May 14th, 2024,
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on Israel's 76th birthday,
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and during that time,
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though it took eight and a half years,
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we had some speed bumps along the way.
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We had a thing called COVID.
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You may have heard of it.
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And I was also hired to work on another film called
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the Hague or Jerusalem film.
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And that has to do with where is the legal capital of the world?
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Is it there in the Hague in the Netherlands,
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which is known as the second highest seat in the United Nations,
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or is it in Jerusalem, where Isaiah 2, 3 talks about where the law
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shall go forth from where, from Zion,
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and the word from Jerusalem.
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They're both there in Jerusalem.
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And so while I was working on this film,
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why stand with Israel,
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I just noticed that there were such a major disconnect
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within the church when it comes to standing with Israel,
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the capital of God.
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And so on this journey, I was just exploring and doing research
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and wondering how could this possibly be?
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And I realized that there's an erroneous teaching
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that you're probably familiar with in your audience,
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as well, called Replacement Theology.
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And if I can share a quick testimony,
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while working on this film,
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I was actually, actually before working on this film,
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I was hired by the Christian Broadcasting Network
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to cover President Obama's only visit to Israel.
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And that was back in 2013.
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And while I was here, I had a great theological conversation
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with a dear friend of mine,
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who I worked with for years at CBN.
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And after President Obama left,
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we were walking through the old city.
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And during this conversation, he said to me,
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you know what, Brian?
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You might just have some Replacement Theology in you.
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And David, at the time, I had no idea what he was talking about.
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So I asked him, I said,
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well, did I add or subtract from God's word?
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That scripture tells us not to?
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Was I, did I take God's word out of context?
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You know, like sometimes we do.
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And then it was, or was I just blatantly in error
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of speaking God's word?
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And then when he shared what Replacement Theology was,
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I instantly knew that I was guilty,
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and I know I said that.
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And so from there, I repented,
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and I asked the Lord to give me a burden
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for the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.
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And out of that, this film and film series,
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you know, was birthed.
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So, wow.
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It's an honor on this film.
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And to be quite honest,
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when you see the 20 awards,
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you know, it's a blessing for what God is doing in this film.
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But more importantly, I love seeing the church awakened
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and seeing them come alive to stand more with Israel.
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And we're seeing that today.
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And so that trumps any word or any other recognition
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because we went out and started this film for that very reason
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that the church would be fully standing with Israel
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or eradicate in Replacement Theology
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and truly standing with the apple of God's eye.
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Well, Brother, first of all,
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kudos for having the humility to see that you were a little off
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on your understanding or interpretation of God's word
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when it comes to the church and Israel.
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The mission on the website says to inform the global church
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of its biblical responsibility to stand with Israel.
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This has been a cancer, this Replacement Theology.
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And I think what we've also seen,
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I want to get your take on this, Brian.
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We've also seen some shocking developments in our own country.
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Israel's ally, America, since October 7,
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the horrific attacks over there in Israel.
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And we've seen just vicious anti-Semitism hate.
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We really Jew hatred in cities across the country
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starting on college campuses and the poised into universities.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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This is not necessary having to do with Replacement Theology.
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But this is where the poise and the propaganda gets pushed.
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And it can even influence Christians
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who are not really students of the Bible, I should say.
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Well, it's a great point and you're right.
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Is a cancerous teaching or ideology
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to accept that Israel isn't God's choice
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or Israel is the problem for all the world's problems?
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And as for believers, I just want to challenge your audience
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or any believer out there that might be watching.
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You know, when I just shared earlier
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that I came out of Replacement Theology,
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if we say we love God and we love His Word,
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we really have to do our best
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to make sure our biblical worldview lines up with Scripture.
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With God's anointed Word that He breathed.
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And if it's not, you could have some Replacement Theology
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and you like I did.
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And so it is that mission statement
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that drives us in this film series
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to educate and inspire the global church
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to live out its biblical responsibility to stand with Israel.
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And so like you said, when we're seeing all this anti-Semitism
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that is so rampant on our college campuses,
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it's in politics, it's in our time squares,
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it's in our education system, it's literally everywhere.
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And it just seems like this show far has been blown
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throughout hell in the earth to go more
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after the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.
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Look, for centuries, the enemy has been coming
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out against God's people in the nation of Israel.
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Since the days of Pharaoh David,
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and even after October 7th,
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mind you, the church overall has been silent,
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was silent during the Holocaust,
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and even now in 2025, almost 700 days since October 7th,
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at 698 today as we speak,
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that the church is still kind of riding the fence
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on where they stand with Israel.
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And so we're seeing that also with Christians in the media,
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like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson,
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and some others that I don't know what theology,
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they say their believers,
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but I wonder what kind of Bible they're reading,
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because it doesn't seem to be lining it with...
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And I'm not here to grade or be little or anyone like that,
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but I'm just saying like,
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if our biblical worldview isn't lining it with Scripture,
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we've got to do like an inside retrospect
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and just make sure we're lining it with God's Word,
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because at the end of the day, that's the most important thing,
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that's the most important thing how we're going to be blessing the Jewish people,
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and understanding the covenant that God gave them.
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And when we understand that,
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we'll understand what the Apostle Paul said about going to the Jew first.
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And when Yeshua Jesus said,
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I come to the law sheep of the house of,
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not America, not the Vatican in Rome,
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or Geneva, or the United Nations,
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He's done with the law sheep of the house of Israel,
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and even go to the Jewish,
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the salvation is from the Jews,
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and he was talking about himself.
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So there's so many scriptural references,
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as you know, David,
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that why we need to be standing with Israel.
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I want to go to some stats you have,
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according to Lifeway Christian research,
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there's a survey that you posted some of the numbers
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right on the homepage of whystandwithisrael.com.
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I mean, you could pick any one of them,
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but you look at the last one here left to right,
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96% have not been influenced by their church about Israel.
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Brian, I think that speaks to the weak
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and maybe unbiblical pulpits.
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Sure, share your thoughts on that,
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because that's 96% tragic.
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It's mind-boggling.
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You see the numbers and how they digress,
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and then when you come up on that percentage,
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you almost wonder, how can this possibly be?
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How?
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I mean, if we look at who our Lord and Savior is,
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our Messiah, our king in the church,
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where was he sent to?
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He didn't come to New York, LA, London, or Paris,
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or Geneva, or Rome, the Vatican.
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He came to Israel, and this is where he's coming back.
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So it's mind-boggling to see a percentage like that,
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and it tells me that it's just not being taught.
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And I almost wonder why.
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Could it be political?
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Is it a fear of losing the congregation?
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And anyway, if we're preaching Jesus,
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and we're preaching the word of God,
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we will see where he was sent to.
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He was born in Israel.
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He performed miracles there.
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He died. He rose from the dead.
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And in Acts 1, it talks about
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that the same way you saw Jesus leave
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is the same way he's going to be coming back.
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And that's back to Israel,
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right there on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.
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So there really shouldn't be a disconnect anymore,
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just knowing what the Scriptures tell of where he was sent
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and why he's coming back there.
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And why God even says in Isaiah 54.5.
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He says, he's actually talking to his people himself,
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has chosen people.
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And Elohim God himself says,
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for your maker will be your husband.
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So as believers in Jesus' Yeshua,
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we should think and say,
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wow, it sounds like they're a bride as well.
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They have been true also.
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If we're the bride of Christ,
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and they have been put to the Lord or vice versa,
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then we have to understand and respect
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this covenant that God has made.
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And also look at Romans 11 talks about
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of us being grafted in to Israel
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and the Jewish people who are the natural branches.
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And because of Yeshua Jesus,
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we are grafted into the family of God.
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Look, we weren't the first choice.
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But thank God for the sacrifice that Yeshua Jesus did.
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We are part of God's family because of that.
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So Brian, I was going to go there next,
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what it means for Christians to be grafted in.
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That's a very important concept.
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Speak to the vine, the root, the branches.
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What this all means in terms of Romans 9 through 11,
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particularly Romans 11?
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That's a great question.
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Well, if I can give you some background.
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You know, before I started this film,
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when I said yes to this project in 2015,
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I can tell you David, on one hand,
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of how many times I've heard a sermon on Israel,
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you know, as I said,
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share before,
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we know that Jesus was born there.
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He performed miracles.
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He died.
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He rose from the dead.
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And he's coming back there.
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But other than that,
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I have never, ever,
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and all the churches I've been to,
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I heard it teaching what it means to be grafted in.
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Or better yet,
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what it says in Ephesians 2 about the one new man
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where Jew and Gentile come together in Messiah.
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I mean, that's the full redemption plan right there.
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But when we talk about Romans 11 being grafted in,
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you know, the possible Paul illustrates
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this beautiful illustration of the God's redemption plan
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using Israel as this olive tree.
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And the natural branches being the Jewish people,
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his first chosen bride,
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his first chosen people.
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And then you have another tree.
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It's a wild olive tree.
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And then a branch,
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which the wild olive tree represents the nations,
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the Gentiles.
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That's us, anyone that was born Jewish
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or was born in Israel.
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It means the nations.
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So,
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the Lord had to break up a branch of the wild olive tree
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and grafted into this olive tree,
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which is his redemption plan.
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And you have the natural branches here.
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Israel being the olive tree.
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And I believe Yeshua Jesus
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as the bark, the roots of this tree.
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It's the only reason why we are part of this family of God
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because of the sacrifice that Yeshua did on the cross.
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This is God's heart for not just Israel,
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but for the nations, for all of us.
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And it's really just so mind-boggling
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that the church cannot see the importance
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of why God chose this nation
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in comparable size to the state of New Jersey,
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which actually is originally where I'm from.
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So, you'll figure the Lord with his sense of humor
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and that he would choose this people group,
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the most persecuted people group on planet Earth.
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And we're seeing it even more so today.
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Not only the nations coming against them,
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their enemies coming against them,
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as we saw in October 7th.
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And, you know, the nations have been delegitimizing
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Israel's existence since the days of Pharaoh.
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And it's about time that church uses its voice
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to rise up and stand for this people group
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we've been grafted in with.
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Look, a family member just doesn't remain silent
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or turn to blind eye
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when someone has been persecuted
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or barbarically attacked as we saw in October 7th.
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A family member stands up
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when that other family member doesn't have a voice
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who has been treated in such horrific ways
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because of their love for them
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and because of the union and family covenant that we have.
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And that's my encouragement to the church in this hour.
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And to God be the glory, David,
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we're actually seeing that since our film has been released.
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We're seeing the church rise up
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and pastors even saying, you know,
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we need to do more for Israel.
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Matter of fact, we need to go as a church to Israel
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and bless and support the apple of God's eye.
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And to me, there's no greater blessing
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and reward and fruit of our film is to hear that
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because that's God's heart.
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God wants his church.
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He wants the nations to be standing
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with the apple of his eye, his treasured possession.
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There's so much work to be done,
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but I'm sure this film has made a dent
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as far as the biblical ignorance
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and people that have, like you said,
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many people have not heard very many sermons astoundingly enough
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about Israel.
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Okay, so Brian, again, on the website,
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back to the Lifeway Christian Research Survey.
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And you can talk about whatever you want,
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after we break off of this number.
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The very first one says 72% of those surveyed
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do want to know more about Israel's future,
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according to the Bible.
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That's the good news.
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But then if you read a little bit more,
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like those over 65 are the most likely to agree with that,
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it's because the youth have not heard much at all
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biblically about Israel.
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Go ahead, you should share your thoughts on that.
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Well, that's a great point you bring up
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because in one of our screenings,
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one of them we went to Columbia
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for our Spanish world premiere earlier this year.
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And toward the end of our trip,
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the last screening we had was with a high school.
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And it was interesting because this was the first time
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I had a screening with that kind of demographic
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that young audience.
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And so I was interested in wondering,
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how is this going to,
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where are we going to go with this?
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But I was excited because here's an opportunity
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to reach the younger generation.
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And so what I found out was,
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after we showed the film,
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they gave them a pause, they seemed to like it,
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and then we opened it up for a Q&A.
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And then the question I asked was,
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how many of you,
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what I wanted to know,
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what was your biblical knowledge or perspective
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visual before you watched this film?
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And the one person that answered
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and others agreed,
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and they shook their heads and in agreement,
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that the only information or knowledge
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they had about Israel was from TikTok.
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And I know that might not come as a surprise to you
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and others that are mature believers,
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but this was at a Christian school.
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And I think the teachers were kind of embarrassed
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and even they were saying,
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we don't hear this here,
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we don't hear any teaching
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in our churches that we go to.
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And I said, well, what is your perspective now
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after watching the film?
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And their quick response was,
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well, I feel like we were lied to.
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Because that doesn't lie
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that what the scripture references
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that you shared in your film.
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And that was a reason why we intentionally
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put that in our film.
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So people wouldn't say,
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well, this is what Brian Sanders thinks.
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Well, I didn't write it.
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He didn't.
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So we have the scripture references on the screen
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and you actually are going to hear that.
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So people can hear and see God's heart on display
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for His beloved people in land
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He made an everlasting covenant with
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and whom He called to be a light unto the nation.
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So to hear them say that they want to learn more
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and they were pretty perturbed about how they were lied to
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shows me that there's a hunger they want to know more.
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And they want to research for themselves.
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And they were thankful that we came
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and they can buy and purchase a Spanish version
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translation of our film.
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So, yes.
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And that's my heart.
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As we know, the Bible is for everybody.
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And we want this film to be for all generations
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because just like the gospels for everyone,
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we want the bride of Christ,
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the global church,
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to fully be standing with the apple of God's eye
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the covenant he made with his beloved Jewish people
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and the nation of Israel,
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whom he's sending his son back to.
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And I would think that would be more than enough
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for the church to want to stand more with Israel,
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support Israel, bless Israel,
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and hopefully even go to Israel
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and bless the people of land
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who truly need our support right now.
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I mean, October 7th,
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it's been a hard season for our Jewish brothers
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and sisters there.
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We can't even fathom what they have gone through.
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You know, we hear the stories,
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we see the reports on the news,
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but you know, we don't know what persecution is like here
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in the West or here in the United States.
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And I think we need to be a little bit more compassionate
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and more understanding
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and truly reach out with the love of the Messiah
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for them in the season that they're in.
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And you know, this is what God calls us to do.
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This is what the church is good for.
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What the church is no force is to rise up
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in a time when people that we love
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and that God loves on needs are our help,
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needs our support, needs our arms wrapped around them.
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And there's no greater time than to go to the Jew first
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than right now.
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So what you shared about that audience,
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the young audience that felt like they relied to,
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that's America if you think about it.
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If you think about what the pulpits have not been preaching
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and then you think about what the media
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and the leftist government
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and the demonic university system,
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what they are preaching about Israel,
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people are not getting the truth.
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So here's my question.
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I can see how an audience like that would say,
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yeah, we want to know more
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because we think we've been lied to.
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But what about the people that we see
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doing all these protests?
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And they're almost, I mean,
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you can't describe it other than maybe demonic
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because they've bought the talking points.
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They can't really defend them with biblical truth
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or information or world history.
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They're even ignorant about world history
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but the Jews in the land.
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So Brian, how do you get through to some of these people
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that are so maybe ideologically driven
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and they're just following just a protest
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because they hate the Jews and they can't explain why
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other than repeating some of the talking points?
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Well, I love your definition.
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The terminology couldn't be any better
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than to call it because that's exactly what it is, David.
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And I just think, well, there's also an agenda.
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I mean, clearly some of them,
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I've even heard that are paid to go on these protests
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and these diabolical rallies.
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A lot of them are not even formed
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of why they're doing it.
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They're just being paid and, you know,
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I just find it mind-boggling that you would accept money
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to do something that you're not even aware of what you're doing.
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And, you know, I just, just to go along with this rhetoric,
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this agenda that Israel's a problem,
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that Israel needs to be condemned,
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that Israel needs to be wiped out off the face of the earth.
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I mean, that couldn't be any more demonic
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of that kind of ideology.
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And that's what we're seeing on the college campuses.
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And it's just what the students,
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it's really also coming from the professors
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and administration of these universities
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that have really been taken and run over by anti-Semitism.
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I mean, we're seeing graffiti.
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We're seeing not just physical protests,
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but they're destroying property.
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And they're actually, literally,
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with this diabolical hatred into which people's faces.
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It's just, it's really just uncalled for.
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And it's not just a biblical illiteracy,
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but it's also a literacy in history,
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your knowledge of history.
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So if you're going to protest on something
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that you're being paid for,
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why don't you want to have a better understanding of the truth of,
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so you have a debate in what to argue
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and to stand on what you're actually protesting,
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because even in our film,
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it's not just to educate the church biblically,
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but it's also to go back in history and see,
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if you don't believe God gave the land of Israel
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to the Jewish people, what happened in history?
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So we try to defunct these lies in this rhetoric
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that the Jewish people don't belong in this land.
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If go back in history,
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what happened at the Belford Declaration?
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What happened at the British Mandate of Palestine?
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We're better yet, David.
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What happened at the UN Partition Plan on November 29, 1947,
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where all the nations came together and they cast a vote?
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33 were in favor of giving the Jewish people their own national homeland.
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13 said no and 10 abstained.
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So you can't go back in history and change what happened.
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I mean, nowadays they're pushing in the education system
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that the Holocaust never happened.
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Like this is your Holocaust denial these days.
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And so my question is where did 6 million people vanish
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on the face of the earth?
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So it really doesn't line up with your rhetoric
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or your debate or protests that Israel shouldn't exist
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or the Holocaust never happened.
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It's just another anti-Semitic demonic attack from the enemy.
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And as believers who know the truth and know God's word
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and not only sets us free,
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we should be declaring God's truth in this act
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where we're living in because it's so needed.
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Amen, brother.
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And whystandwithisrael.com?
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Want to make sure people know that website?
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What are you working on now, Brian? What's next?
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Well, we have a new podcast called Israel, The Nations and End Times.
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We just kicked it off about a month ago.
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We're actually about to have another podcast in another week,
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our fourth podcast.
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But we're also transitioning from this film to our second film,
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which it has to do with what you're seeing in the news today.
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It's like biblical prophecy unfolding before our very eyes.
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We're seeing things happening in Matthew 24.
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You'll hear of wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and flooding.
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Well, we're seeing that at a biblical proportion these days.
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And then if you go down to the end of Matthew 24,
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it talks about the birth pangs.
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And a lot of people are wondering,
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where are we in these end times?
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And then you've got to ask the question that says in Psalms 21,
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why do the nations rage?
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All of this is happening before us.
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And all is about Israel and what's going on the world regarding the apple of God's eye.
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Well, let's stay in touch.
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We want to hear about that one in Lord willing.
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Have you back on, Brian?
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It's been a blessing to get caught up here to learn about why
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we stand with Israel.
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And we appreciate your time so much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, David.
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It's a pleasure being on.
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God bless you.
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I'd love to.
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Praise God.
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Friends, thank you for sharing the podcast and for your prayers.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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Amen.