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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, January 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, January one. This is Jaguars Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hours presented by the C s I Companies
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  Speaker 1: and now founding member of the John Cina Fan Club,
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  Speaker 1: Ashlands Sullivan. I was so scared when he was going
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  Speaker 1: to say the entire day for that intro is this
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  Speaker 1: how JP does this servius all day long? What he's
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  Speaker 1: going to say? Joe always has something to kind of
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  Speaker 1: get JPS got a little bit, but I was kind
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  Speaker 1: of kind of wondering, there, Joe, you forget how to
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  Speaker 1: push the buttons. We had a we had a we
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  Speaker 1: had a rehearsal before he actually did the real world
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  Speaker 1: with some practice, right, Nothing wrong with that. Yo're just
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  Speaker 1: saying he's always trying to get I want to say embarrassed.
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  Speaker 1: But he's trying to have a little bit of fun
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  Speaker 1: with JP, and so we gotta have a little fun back. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's only fair. It's only fair. You're going to regret this, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The man has the power to turn my my golf,
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  Speaker 1: Yes he does, don't test him. Welcome in Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: Are this fine program? And yes this is not JP
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  Speaker 1: Shaddick Ashland Sullivan and for JP, O well, deserved week
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  Speaker 1: of vacation for him. If you have not heard, the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars have announced Trent Bulky as the new general manager
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  Speaker 1: of the Jaguars today. So we have all of that
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  Speaker 1: in more coming up on this fine program, as well
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  Speaker 1: as John Osier starting off the show with us, and John,
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  Speaker 1: I will go to you first. You were listening intensely
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  Speaker 1: through that press conference, So what was your reaction, Trent Bulky,
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  Speaker 1: urban Meyer check it off the list, general manager, head
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  Speaker 1: coach done. First of all, Hello Jeff, Hello Ashland. Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: havn't been studio with you in a long time. Good
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  Speaker 1: to see you again. Um, kind of see you're right, well,
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  Speaker 1: kind of right virtually. Um. I think anybody who watched
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  Speaker 1: the presser, it was an unsurprising main theme and the
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  Speaker 1: word of the day was alignment, and over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: Even when they were asked other things, they all came
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  Speaker 1: back to this is alignment. When urban Meyer was asked
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  Speaker 1: about the importance of Trent having NFL experience, he gave
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  Speaker 1: a very quick sentence and then he said, but none
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  Speaker 1: of this works if we're not aligned. So it's clear
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  Speaker 1: that shot cons shod CON's message that this is a
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  Speaker 1: partnership between GM and head coach and they're working together. Transparency,
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  Speaker 1: all those buzzwords. You know, I think it's fool as
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  Speaker 1: to think that urban Meyer is not going to have
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  Speaker 1: major say in personnel. That's always how this works. But
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  Speaker 1: it is a partnership in a relationship that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be symbiotic. Whatever buzzword you used, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: took from it most of all, Jeff, I think I'll
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  Speaker 1: show that even though urban Meyer is expected to have
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  Speaker 1: a pretty big voice and the personnel, you also have
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  Speaker 1: to know what you don't know. And and I think
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  Speaker 1: that that will happen in this case because Trent Balky
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  Speaker 1: obviously has a vast amount of experience in personnel, whereas
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  Speaker 1: urban Meyer has typically done it from a recruiting standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you're urban Meyer, you've got to have
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  Speaker 1: people number one that you can trust the number two
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  Speaker 1: that you believe in. And so I think it's I
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  Speaker 1: think it's great. I mean, you've got to be aligned,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean, I hate to say this, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that there was alignment here in the past.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't. And and uh, for whatever reason, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: general manager might think that things should go a certain
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  Speaker 1: way and and coaches are expecting things to go another way.
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  Speaker 1: And if if you're not on the same page, you've
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  Speaker 1: got no chance of success. And so I like to
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  Speaker 1: hear that word alignment and that everybody trying to work
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  Speaker 1: towards a common goal, because if if you have a
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  Speaker 1: general manager and a coach that are on the same page,
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  Speaker 1: you've got no chance. And and Trent Balky alluded to that,
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  Speaker 1: uh and and I don't think he was very specifically
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  Speaker 1: talking about it, John and and Ashland from a from
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  Speaker 1: a from an alignment standpoint and lack of alignment standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: But he said out of the thirty two teams in
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League, or twenty eight of them don't
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  Speaker 1: have a chance because they're they're not aligned, and uh
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think he used that exact word, but
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  Speaker 1: he said teams don't have a chance from the very
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  Speaker 1: get go, and I believe that he was referring to
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  Speaker 1: the lack of alignment, et cetera. So I don't know. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he did say shoot themselves in the foot before the
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  Speaker 1: season even gets started, and I think we all can
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  Speaker 1: read between the lines on what exactly that means. So
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that chain of command. What does it look like?
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  Speaker 1: Trent Fulky was asked about that both of them reporting
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  Speaker 1: to directly to shod Compilet's hear what this partnership is
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  Speaker 1: going to look like. I'm a resource for coach. That's
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  Speaker 1: what the way I look at it. I provide a
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  Speaker 1: service where he can come in, he can bounce things
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  Speaker 1: off of me. Uh question there, because there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of questions. There's gonna be a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things that are going to be first time for him.
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  Speaker 1: But in the short time I've been with him, the
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  Speaker 1: one thing I realized he's a quick study. It's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna take him long to figure the rules out and
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  Speaker 1: everything that goes with it. And he certainly as a coach,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he knows his way around the practice field
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  Speaker 1: very well. Urban Meyers did mention that he has spent
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  Speaker 1: tiresly amounts of time with Trent Paulki these past few days.
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  Speaker 1: They have seen a lot of each other and John,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go to you. It's kind of it's different. This
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  Speaker 1: year has been different. But that was the first time
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  Speaker 1: I've seen Trent Bulky heard from trump Bulky. He's been
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  Speaker 1: here almost a year and that's the first time we've
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  Speaker 1: seen him because of COVID, So it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: our introductory press conference, even though he's been here a while. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's certainly an unusual situation. You know, people covering the
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  Speaker 1: league this year have been covering people that they've never
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  Speaker 1: met face to face, which has never happened. Jeff can
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  Speaker 1: speak to that. He was a player in the league
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. I've you know, the takeaway, the
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  Speaker 1: big one is the Trent Bawkey and urban Meyer are
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  Speaker 1: a line. But I think it's also important to realize
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  Speaker 1: Trent Balky's reputation is as a guy who stands firm
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  Speaker 1: in his own decisions. He is a guy who with
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  Speaker 1: twenty years of experience in this league. He's been a
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  Speaker 1: general manager for six years, been't really covering the show.
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  Speaker 1: He was general manager of a team that went to
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  Speaker 1: the to the NFC Championship Game three times. He picked
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  Speaker 1: players he has insight that urban Meyer needs. This is
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  Speaker 1: not a one way street. Although Trent said, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: here to be a resource, he's more than just a resource.
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  Speaker 1: His voice matters very much in this triangle that they
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  Speaker 1: talk about Shod Khan, Trent Balky and Urban Meyer. Trent
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  Speaker 1: Balky is a third of that for a reason, he's experienced,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe ready for the job. Six years experiences
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  Speaker 1: at GM, you're ready for your next opportunity in that situation,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's too. It's also incredibly important with
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  Speaker 1: with the hiring of urban Meyer, who doesn't have NFL experience,
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  Speaker 1: to have other experience around him, and I think the
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  Speaker 1: general manager position is is critical for that and somebody
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  Speaker 1: that's been there and done that. And obviously the landscape
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  Speaker 1: has changed a little bit since he was a general manager,
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  Speaker 1: but I know that he's followed it very well and
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  Speaker 1: and he's I'm sure able to adapt and adjust. But
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  Speaker 1: but to have a first time head coach in the
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  Speaker 1: National Football League with the with the general manager that
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  Speaker 1: has experienced and high level experience, who has taken teams
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  Speaker 1: to a super Bowl, championship, etcetera, I think it's critical
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's it's a smart move by all
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly ultimately who was responsible, and
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  Speaker 1: you would think that it was Shot Khan's decision, but
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  Speaker 1: obviously with a lot of influence from from urban Meyer,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the way it should be. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that the experience are surrounding a first time NFL coach
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  Speaker 1: with experience is probably not going to stop there. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be a little bit more with his own
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  Speaker 1: staff and and it will be also interesting to see
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  Speaker 1: who Trent Baky surrounds himself with, because change is gonna come.
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  Speaker 1: Change is coming within the personnel department because and some
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  Speaker 1: of it already says happened. He's already brought one guy
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  Speaker 1: on that he trusts immenseally, and and I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: there will be some adjustments at the staff as as
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  Speaker 1: as the off season rolls along. Oh, yes, change is near.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the biggest things that will pay attention
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  Speaker 1: to this offseason is obviously the NFL Draft. Eleven draft picks,
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  Speaker 1: you have five in the first three rounds. So, Trent Bulky,
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  Speaker 1: what is the outlook of the NFL draft this year?
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  Speaker 1: We're always going to look at the value of a player. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and value matters that it matters in in where in
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  Speaker 1: their value is to where you draft them, how much
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  Speaker 1: you pay them, how much you pay them in free agency? Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Need Uh, We're We're a value based team, not a
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  Speaker 1: needs based Well, you always have needs regardless of when
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  Speaker 1: you set the fifty three. So the best player available
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  Speaker 1: is usually the direction you want to go, but yet
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  Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind the needs of the
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  Speaker 1: organization as well and the team. Yeah, alright, Jeff, I
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  Speaker 1: know you love the best player available. That's something good
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  Speaker 1: to hear. Well. I think I've always been the best
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  Speaker 1: available player type guy. I think because when you when
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  Speaker 1: you start going after needs, you have a Tennessee to
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  Speaker 1: start to reach and you start to adjust your board
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  Speaker 1: based on on well, we need a right cornerback or
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  Speaker 1: we need a left safety. And I'm making terms up
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  Speaker 1: because I don't want to pinpoint anybody. And we need
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  Speaker 1: a new Ozone writer. You know you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't. You're just kidding, Johnny, Just kidding, Johnny,
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  Speaker 1: just kidding. But my point is is that I think
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  Speaker 1: if you go back and you look at the history
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  Speaker 1: of the draft and you wonder how this franchise could
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  Speaker 1: be different if they had taken some of the best
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  Speaker 1: available players and not by reaching for need, I think
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  Speaker 1: that the the history of this franchise would be vastly different.
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  Speaker 1: And uh and John, But there are certain positions that
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  Speaker 1: are premium positions that a lot of people say, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're reaching for that position. I'm not a big believer,
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  Speaker 1: and that's saying that that's a reach for certain positions
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  Speaker 1: because the position certainly has Some positions have a premium
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  Speaker 1: attached to it, which makes them more valuable from the
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  Speaker 1: very get go. I've always said, Jeff, there's not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gms walking around the NFL during training camp
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  Speaker 1: and looking at their roster and saying, man, we have
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  Speaker 1: too many good players. And the point being there is
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  Speaker 1: if you sit there in the draft said what we
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  Speaker 1: need here, we need here, we need you. If if
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  Speaker 1: you quote mess up and draft an elite guy at
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  Speaker 1: linebacker behind another elite guy linebacker, you know what You've got, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: two elite players. So I'm all best available. I think
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  Speaker 1: it always works. There are times you have to do
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  Speaker 1: certain things in the draft where if guys are close,
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, you go with a certain position. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: your news flash. Right now, this team doesn't have too
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  Speaker 1: many elite players. It's gonna be easy for them to
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  Speaker 1: go best available, best available very early. And I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to seeing how they do it because I think
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  Speaker 1: a big theme right now is Urban may never have
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  Speaker 1: been in the NFL, but he knows exactly what he
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  Speaker 1: wants competitiveness, speed. I think it's been really easy for
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  Speaker 1: Balky and the scouting staff to trent him, to scout
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  Speaker 1: for him because he's gonna be very clear in what
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  Speaker 1: he wants and what it's gonna take for him to win. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just only add one thing is that because John was
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  Speaker 1: talking about, ok if you have equal values, then you
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  Speaker 1: take need. I believe that in you don't do that
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  Speaker 1: until you get to a certain round. I think that
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  Speaker 1: you take best available player regardless, and rounds one, two,
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  Speaker 1: and three, that's typically where you get your premium position.
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  Speaker 1: I think when you start to get two rounds five, six, seven, Okay, look,
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  Speaker 1: if there is a position that you need and you've
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  Speaker 1: got equal values, then you then you take the position
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  Speaker 1: of need. But I think you get on a slippery
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  Speaker 1: slope when you start saying, well, you know, we we
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  Speaker 1: really need this position these guys. You know, this guy
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  Speaker 1: only has maybe two tents of a point higher grade
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  Speaker 1: than this other guy, so let's take him because he's
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  Speaker 1: he plays right tackle. We need a right tackle. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's where you get caught up and you make
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  Speaker 1: mistakes because even though two tenses is not much you
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  Speaker 1: don't think, but you know what two tents might be
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  Speaker 1: the difference between being a tenure player and a guy
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  Speaker 1: who lasts, you know, for a biscuit and a cup
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  Speaker 1: of coffee, you know, so, uh, it can make a
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  Speaker 1: big difference. In my opinion, I don't want a biscuit
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  Speaker 1: and a cup of coffee, that's for sure. Eleven draft
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  Speaker 1: picks coming up. Want to get all of these right.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up in this offseason, there's still a coaching search
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  Speaker 1: going on building this coaching staff. We've seen reports, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't gotten any final answer, so we'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: I've talked to Urban about, um, you know, our general
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  Speaker 1: on the hiring of Urban Meyer, both of them reporting
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  Speaker 1: directly to him. Welcome back Jaguars Happy Hour, Ashland Sullivan
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  Speaker 1: and for JP on much needed vacation here with Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Logman and John Osier, so general manager, head coach checked
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  Speaker 1: off the list. Now you gotta fill a coaching staff,
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  Speaker 1: and there are all kinds of interviews, all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: reports going on. So let's look at offense first. For
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  Speaker 1: some reason, these names are much less reported than defense.
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  Speaker 1: But you have Scotland Ahan, Anthony Lynn, hence the question mark,
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  Speaker 1: and next offensive coordinator? How do you figure this out?
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  Speaker 1: There's also reports that George Warhop will stay on as
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  Speaker 1: offensive line coach. But Jeff, I'll go to you first, say,
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  Speaker 1: in a perfect world, do you get Anthony Lynn and
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  Speaker 1: Scotland Ahn in who's the O C? How does that work? Uh? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a great question. But a lot of
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: times I think a coach will give you a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of coach speak with an answer like that and
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  Speaker 1: say that, hey, look it's a collaboration. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: me the head coach. Uh, Scotland Ahan and Anthony Lynn.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that there has to be one person
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  Speaker 1: that has the final say, and there has to be
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  Speaker 1: somebody that is calling the plays. But I think also
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it's very important that you get as much talent as
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  Speaker 1: you possibly can. And and I understand that there's a
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  Speaker 1: great relationship with Scott Lanahan there. Scott Lanahan has kind
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  Speaker 1: of been down the road as far as looking for
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  Speaker 1: that next step. And I think if you're urban Meyer,
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  Speaker 1: the one thing that you'd like to be able to do,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: because you're probably gonna be drafting a young quarterback Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you can have consistency
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  Speaker 1: there on the offensive side of the ball. Uh. So
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  Speaker 1: my expectation is it would be somebody that would be
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: less apt to leave to take that next opportunity as
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  Speaker 1: a head coach. And I think Anthony Lenna has had
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  Speaker 1: a taste of that, so but I mean, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but uh, it'll be interesting to watch.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to have somebody that you can expect
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  Speaker 1: to have for more than just a short amount of time.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: You've got to have some consistency at that position with
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the young quarterback, right, want to build that. And John,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: we've been talking about this the past couple of days.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: For some reason, there's this, I guess you can call
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it a rumor that urban Meyer only wants college coaches
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: around him or experience with college And we take a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: look at these lists and that's not the case, so
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: we're not really sure where that's coming from, but it's
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  Speaker 1: clear he wants NFL experience around him. The guy knows
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  Speaker 1: what he's doing here. Well, it kind of goes without saying.
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  Speaker 1: You don't win three college national championships if you're not
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  Speaker 1: a smart guy. He's smart enough to know that he
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: needs experience around him in the NFL as he makes
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  Speaker 1: this transition Scott lenahand makes a lot of sense. As
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  Speaker 1: Jeff alluded to when Urban was at Bowling Green, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: think getting the dates right in two thousand one when
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  Speaker 1: he was making the transition, it actually scratched that was
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  Speaker 1: before that as an assistant when he was figuring out
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  Speaker 1: the spread. He visited with Scott Linehan when Lenahan was
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  Speaker 1: at Louisville, so there is a strong connection there. Lenahan
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  Speaker 1: also has a world of NFL experience. He's been a
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  Speaker 1: head coach. He's obviously not gonna be a head coach here,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: so he has that experience. He knows what a coordinator does.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a NFL experience. To me, that one makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Anthony Lynn makes sense for the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: same reason. But those are the reasons that you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: those names the experienced level of Lynn. But the Lenahan
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Meyer connection is a very solid, very real thing. But
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  Speaker 1: to your question, Ashlyn, he absolutely knows he needs NFL experience.
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  Speaker 1: I expect more coaches on this staff to have NFL
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  Speaker 1: experience than not. That's just a guess, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: it feels like. I think a lot of people would
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  Speaker 1: would ask two or might suggest, Okay, well, well, Anthony
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Lynn can help urban Meyer be a head coach in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Because Anthony Lynn has been a head coach before,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Irban Meyer doesn't need any helping and head coach, Okay,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: urban Byer, he's okay, he's qualified in that category. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: don't care if it's college or if it's the pro game.
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  Speaker 1: The head coach that that doesn't change much. Obviously the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: game is a little bit different and there's some some nuances.
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  Speaker 1: But if you know how to head coach, you know
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  Speaker 1: how to head coach at any level. You can coach
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  Speaker 1: Pee wee, you can coach NFL, you can go to college,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Yeah, I think he's good there, to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: say the least. And Johnny could interesting, well, he could
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  Speaker 1: even coach that team that you have over your right
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  Speaker 1: shoulders that a football team, by the way, the Jacksonville Sharks,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and not an arena team. It was a WFL team
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  Speaker 1: back when we were kids. Jeff, I was gonna say
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, but don't kid yourself. You're
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: as old as I am. So it was back in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the WUFL, the Jacksonville Sharks and Jacksonville Express back to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: back seventy four and seventy five. A point on what
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  Speaker 1: you were making. Jeff urban Meyer has been a head
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  Speaker 1: coach for seventeen years. If you add up the head
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: coaching experience of all the coaches who have ever been
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Jaguar's head coaches, that's more and any of them had
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: put together. Now, Doug Marone had been a head coach
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. But I agree with you, Jeff. If
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  Speaker 1: you can coach, lead, set a tone, you can do
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  Speaker 1: it at any level. The nuances of the game, learning
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the schemes, learning how this league works. That'll be a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: study for ban Meyer. But seventeen years of experience, he
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: can lead men, he can lead an organization. And a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: lot lot of people say, well, there's been other college
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: coaches that have moved on to the NFL and they
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: didn't have success. Well, Look, you gotta have good players too. Okay,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: coaching matters. You've got to have good coaches, then you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: also have to have good players. When you put the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: two of them together, you've got a great chance. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that's where Trent Balky is so very important to the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: success of this this football organization and Urban Meyer. You
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: gotta have you gotta have everybody working together and be
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: able to have the right tools to be able to win.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: If you don't have the right tools, you're not gonna win.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: You have the greatest coach in the world. And if
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you don't have the players in the NFL, you're you're
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: gonna be okay, but you're not gonna be the contender.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You just it's just the reality. You gotta have got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a players, got to have tools in the toolbox. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: don't know who said that, but I've heard it before.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: All right, let's look at defense. Joe Colin is reported
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to be the defensive coordinator for the Jaguars. Were hearing
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: his name thrown out all over there along with these
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: names that you're seeing right now. So John, tell me
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: why Joe Colin is the clear favorite for this and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: why he would fit the job as defensive coordinator reportedly
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of course. Oh, I know Jeff has a lot of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: thoughts too, And Jeff knew uh Joe for three years,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: probably n him a little bit better than I did.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I knew Joe for two years when I first got
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: back to Jacksonville. Why would he be a coordinator? Because
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: he knows football, He's an incredible motivator. He's incredibly well
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  Speaker 1: respected within the NFL. There is a great relationship between
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: he and Urban Meyer that goes back a long way. Uh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm biased, and I think everybody is who
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: knows Joe Aston. You haven't met him, but Jeff can
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: attest to this a fantastic, first rate human being. When
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you get a guy like this in your building, you're
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: better for it, no matter what role it is. As
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, he's never been that before, but he has
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: been one of the best line coaches he's been in Baltimore.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He is ready for this job. If he gets that,
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt that he's a major impact, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you got to make sure that we I gotta correct you, John,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: he doesn't coach defensive line. He coaches rushman. Okay, he's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: changed the term. I mean, Joe Collin changed the term
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: he likes to call him Rushman. And uh and and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: John is dead on the money. Joe Colin is a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is a eight number one, top notch guy. He's never
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: been a defensive coordinator before. But you also, if you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: looked at that list of names, there's some names on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: there that have been defensive coordinators before. Anthony Weaver, Charlie
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Strong obviously has an immense amount of experience. And so
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: once again, it's title sometimes don't mean everything. I mean, obviously,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: somebody ultimately has to have to say. But when you
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of bright minds together, then you have
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a great chance. And and Joe Colin is a is
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a super sharp guy, quality guy. Love him and uh.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: In fact, when I heard that there was a rumor
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: or there was a whisper in the news media that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he may be interviewing, I was texting him right away.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I said, Joe, come on back to Jacksonville. Good dude,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: gave him outfit tips all of that. What am I hearing? John?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I guess you can attest this to you. I've heard
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of practice. Might get a little loud if he joins in,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he's pretty loud. Yeah, Joe's pretty loud, and we'll probably
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: get the dirt pitt back. Remember the dirt pit, Jeff,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: where you probably knew more about than I did. But
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: he's got certain drills, and he's got a drill or
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the offensive linemen have to get down. It could be
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: at a certain level. Jeff can attest to it more
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: than me. But yeah, I read something about Joe a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and I didn't think of it,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and I wish I had. When you watch Joe Colin coach,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: he's one of the few coaches where other position groups
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: stop and watch him coach because he's so good at
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it and so dynamic. I again, Jeff, and you and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I are in the same page fingers crossed that he's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah. Uh, I think it'd be a good
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: higher And in Ashley, I'm telling you there's been a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: few guys in the National Football League, And being a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: former defensive lineman, I always watched the defensive line coaches
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: very very closely. And because I want to hear what
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they're saying, I want to hear their style, I want
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to hear what they're teaching because I think I'm pretty
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: educated in that department. And uh, and Joe is one
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of those guys that I never second guest everything he said.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like he's dead on the money. And Joe was
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: always one of those guys too, that would would ask
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions. He never felt like he knew everything.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And if he would ask questions of me, he would
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: ask questions of any defensive line that he came across.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He would talk to Tony bassally and say, Hey, Tony,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: what do you think about this? What was so hard
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: about blocking that? You know? So, he's a guy that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I think it was constantly learning and uh. And I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: know that a lot of people want to bring up
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: something that might have happened in his past. But I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: can tell you if we all had something brought up
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: from our past, and I can be the first one
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to admit it, okay that uh, that everybody might have
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: an embarrassing moment in the past, and I would have one, Johnny,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you would probab have one. And I can tell you
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: firsthand that that ponytail wasn't very cool, even though you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: might have thought it was. But but but I mean, look,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the past of the past, and Joe Collins are good man.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I love to hear it. Yes, john thank you for
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: your time and we'll leave you to the debating the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: ponytail versus the haircut you have. Now we'll stay tuned
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  Speaker 1: for your writing. Like the beer Johnny's got going out, Johnny,
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  Speaker 1: I like that. Hey, there was no debate, Jeff, that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: ponytail was Boss. It was like it was like this,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: thanks guys, I've heard, I've seen pictures. I don't want
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: to bring him back up. I'm just scared that John
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Oshan just said Boss on the radio, that that's like old.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like shows your age, right, Boss. It
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: was more of a bun, like a bun Joe, even worse,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: even like a little Yeah, it was like that long
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy I will spare you the images of John
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  Speaker 1: Osier's man bun pony sale coming out, Boss, County Tail. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: say it right. Tony Baselli might have some input on this.
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  Speaker 1: How what are we thinking? Uh? What do I think about?
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  Speaker 1: What what he said there? Him being the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: bona fide qualified top end leader. Now it's in the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: college game, not the pro game, but still he's one
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: everywhere he's been. And Shot is basically saying, listen, I'm
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: gonna get a guy here who can lead this organization
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and bring it back, and I'm gonna bring a guy
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: who's done it before. It might not be in this
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: exact arena, meaning the pro game, but it's hard to
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• 35:39
  Speaker 1: not be short on news this offseason, that's one thing
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yes, and that is good news for this
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Thursday show. And Jeff, I've heard some people say, oh,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: he's coming right in here and he has a plan
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: of upgrading the facilities, and it was almost a negative
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: connotation towards that. But I don't feel that way. He's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: coming from Ohio State, Florida, these big time college football programs,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Well that's the ms race in college football. If he
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: wants a facility, give the man a facility. Well, look,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's the in college football. The arms race is real.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And that's facilities Alabama, the Clemsons, I mean, all these
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: big time programs. It it is a war of facilities
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: because it's a huge recruiting tool. And in the National
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Football League you're not necessarily per se recruiting, but in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: some sense you are in free agency, and so you
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: want to have as many as many tools in your toolbags,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: so to speak, as far as positive to tract players.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But Um, Tony and I would agree that, Look, you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: can always improve the facilities and you always want to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: give the players the best of the best. Does that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: necessarily mean a new facility? Maybe? Does that mean a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: an upgrade to the current facilities? Is that you have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: on an expansion to that? I mean, it could mean
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of things, But I think Urban's whole point
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: is give the players the best to expect the best
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in return, right, And that's aar Tony. You heard him
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: say in the stock coming back a hot tub. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: don't think he's saying in that singular tone, but there's
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: no secret this building could use some upgrades. And that's okay. Yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the right mentality. You want to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: be the best of everything. But I will say for me, Um,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: your facilities are secondary. Um while important and you want
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to have you know, you want to make sure the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: players are taken care of and you're giving them the best.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: To his points because you're to expect the best, Um,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, let's be realistic.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Facilities aren't. You can't overnight great new facilities. Now you
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: can upgrade some internal facilities to do you know, put
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: some you know, nice finishes around and do some nice things,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: but as far as the hold you know, wholesale new
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: facilities and new practice facilities and buildings everything else, that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: takes years. UM. And So while I love it that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we should always be progressing and shooting for the stars
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and investing and get bringing the best and expecting the best,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: no doubt about it, I think the bigger message and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I think what I've heard him say as well, it's like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to create the best atmosphere for the for
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: this organization, best coaches. We're gonna demand of the players.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: We're gonna treat the players the right way. We're to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: do all these things and create the right culture and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: atmosphere with the right standard UM, and we expect to win,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: because if you look at winning, you know what you're
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: measured by the wins and losses. It's not you know
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: how great your facilities are or not. Um, It's about
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: what are you putting on the field, and to put
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the right product on the field which produces wins. It's
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: all about getting the right people in the building, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that starts with the right players and the right coaches
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and in the right personnel, people that are aligned with
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the coaches to pick the players and design it, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the right support staff that is gonna support the coaches
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and players. It's all about getting the right people in
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the right system in place, um of how we do things.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what you know Urban has done
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in the past, you know, at places like Ohio State
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and Florida, and I expect him to do the same
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: thing here. I think the facilities well, yes, nice, Yes,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I hope we get them. Yes, I hope we invest.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And I think Shan will he's never been trying to invest.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. UM. To me, that secondary
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it's about getting the right people, the right process, the
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: right culture, and setting the right standard of how we
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: do things. As Jacksville Jaguars right Tony and his introductory
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: interview with JP, Shatterkey said, I want to treat players great,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: not good, and that was good to hear, especially with
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: all the drama that's been around with free agency. Jeff,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you kind of want to set the tone right here
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: right now that it's going to be a busy free
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: agency period. We're gonna do it the right way. And
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think he means okay, And and Tony will
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: attest to this when when a coach says that we
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: want to treat our players great, it doesn't mean that
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you pamper them. Yeah, I mean this is this is
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: not the health club or you get manny petties and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: back rubs and neck rubs while you're studying the playbook.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's football. But you want to have
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the players to have the best of the best. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I will say this is that shankn in this organization
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: has never skimped on making sure that the players have
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the best of the best. The dining hall, the food,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the best of the best. We get to experience that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: first time they have. Besides therapy, they have all these
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: other things that are available to players and readily available
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and have for a number of years, nutritionists, everything. So, uh,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Tony's right, And that look tomorrow, all of a sudden,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a brand new facility out there
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: to where you go, welcome to the new facility. You know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta win some football games, but treat your players
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the best of the best of what you have and
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you are looking at upgrading or
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: doing something completely separate, that's all fine and Danny, but
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: treat the players great, and Peter, treat them with respect,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: but you don't pamper them as well if you treat
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: them like professionals. And there's a lot of organizations out
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: there in the National Football League that are considered the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: best of the best as far as doing some of that,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and they're the ones that are typically win a year
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: in and year out. So you want to try to
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: continue to or to change the way you do things
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: more in line with some of the teams that historically
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: have success. You're on a eurotum, so let's talk about
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that a little bit more, Jeff, because I want to
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: talk about this whole concept of treating players great, um,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: because everything you said is true. You're like, but every
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: team can do that. Every team can have massage therapists,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: every team can have good food, and every team can
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: have you know, all the you know, nice things that
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: help a player get ready, all great things. I don't
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: think I think that's only part of it. Because when
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I think about and Jeff, I love your perspective on this.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: When I think about what the players want, and I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: think it's a couple of things. One, players want to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: go somewhere where they know they can get better, like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: like you like, they're gonna become better players and they
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: have a chance to succeed because if they succeed, that's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you know, will translate hopefully too wins, but also translates
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: into monetary value of their services in the future. So One,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: players want to go somewhere they feel like they're getting
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: better to a big thing, and I think this is critical.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Players want to feel valued. They want to feel their
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: services are valued. What they do matters and that's important.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: And the way you do that, you have to be
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: able to build relationships with players. They have to know you.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: They have to know that the organization cares about what
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: they're doing, who they are in the sacrifice and the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: work they're putting in that it matters. The third thing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I think they wanted consistency. I never I'm not a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: big believer that players um are expecting to be treated
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and like you know, there's always this hard coaches, player coaches,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: both of one. What's the one thing both those haven't
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in common is they're consistent. Players want to know what
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to expect. They don't like surprises. They want to know
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: what to expect, what the rules are, and that they're enforced,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: and that they show up every day to work and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: there's a consistency with the head coach and the coaching staff,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't change. When you win, everyone's happy. When
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you lose, everyone's miserable. You know, I think back, Jeff,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: when you and I played here. Tom Conflin was consistent.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Every day. He was miserable every day. It didn't matter
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: if you won or loss. It was the same thing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Hard on you. It was going to drive. But as
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a player, you knew what to expect. There were a structure,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and you didn't always like the way he did it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that might work today in today's NFL,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I think, but if you're consistent, you can build relationships
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to players and they know they're valued and their services
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: are valued and you're helping them have success. That is
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: creating a great atmosphere for players, because that's what they want.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: The rest of it is easy. It's easy to go
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: high a massage therapist, it's easy to go get good food,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it's easy to do all that. The hard work is
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: can you build a culture where players want to be there,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: where they feel valued, they feel appreciated, they have relationships,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and they feel like they have an opportunity to get
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: better and win. That's ultimately what they want to do,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and they want to get paid. I mean, if you
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: can do that, then I think that's a great environment
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: for players. Yeah. I think the other thing too, that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that Jacksonville has kind of a built in advantage. I
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: think over a lot of their teams, Tony talks about money,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: cost of living and uh and and what the state
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: tax situation is. I mean, obviously that provides a huge boost.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But the ability to attract coaches to Jacksonville is easy
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: because coaches love it here, and so Urbans is able
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to attract a lot of coaches that that that I'm
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: sure that he wants because of the prospect of living
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. I mean, look at the number of coaches
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that have come through here that have stayed here. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: mean it's it's the list is long and so and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I think from that standpoint to for some players that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that is very attractive to some players as well. And
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: there's some players that would rather have in Atlanta or
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: have in New York or have some of bigger markets
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and and for whatever reason, but uh, if you if
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you can capitalize on all the things that Tony talked
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: about and make sure that all those are in place,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: because Tony is right, consistency and expectations, all knowing what
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: what a player is expected to do in et cetera.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Like Tom Couflin said about it, it is that doesn't change.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: You just don't have to be so dagon gruff about
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: it like Tom Caufin. And that's the relationships your face
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and still be the same way. Well, I think in
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: today's players and even in our world today, you have
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to be able to build a relationship with people. People
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: will go much further for you when they know you
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: care about them. Um. And you, by the way, you
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: can coach people much harder when they know you care
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and you know you they that they're appreciated. And I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: think that is critical, um And listen, Urban knows this.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: He coached college. I mean he had a bunch of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: five stars and four stars that he had to make
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: sure that he had relationships with it. He could coach
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: hard and be demanding and do all the things and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: staff want to do. You only can do that today.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: If you're building relationships, if you're consistent, the players trust
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you. You You have to build trust. Um And I can't
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: emphasize enough. Most players, and any player worth their soul,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: good players who want to be great. They all want
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to get better. And guess what if you proved to
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a player that you can help them achieve their goals,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: it's amazing how much harder you can coach them and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: set the expectations. And this is who we are and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: this is how we do things, um And I think
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: those are really key things. I think at times have
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: probably been you know, missing right Tony and Jeff. You
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: mentioned that a lot of coaches come here and they
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: want to stay here. And I remember the argument when
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the New York Jets gave up the number one pick
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and they're like, ah, Trevor Lawrence, he might be so
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: upset he doesn't get to go to New York. Now
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: he might have to go to Jacksonville. And urban Meyer
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: has said, you know, they're looking at all quarterbacks. If
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it is Trevor Lawrence, it doesn't seem like be like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world that he gets to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: come possibly live in Ponto Vidro with no state income tax.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he's gonna be that upset. No,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it's uh that that's just I think that's an other
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: market Jubb being jealous and uh, you know, and I
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: think that's all that is. And and and look at
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: it's and a lot of people say, well, you go
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to a Jacksonville. It's a smaller market also, and you're
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: not gonna have opportunities to be able to be on
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the national stage. The NFL doesn't matter whether you're in
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Green Bay, Jacksonville, New York. Uh, you're gonna have a
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: ton of opportunities if you're a good football player. And
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: so opportunities follow good football players. And if Trevor Lawrence
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: is a really good football player, who have all you
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: want right here in Jacksonville. And guess what, it also follows,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Jeff winning good football players and winning. You gotta win.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And and that's what this places has has to be
• 47:28
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• 47:31
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• 47:34
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• 47:39
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• 47:43
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• 47:47
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• 47:48
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• 47:51
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• 47:53
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  Speaker 1: those people from this organization. And that's I take that
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  Speaker 1: Florida Gator coach, when you talked about the gatorhead, we
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: if you go back in memory lane, I actually took
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  Speaker 1: it away from the player and staff. You don't always
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  Speaker 1: blame the players. I I hear that. You guys know
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  Speaker 1: that I don't blame players. I blame coaches before players.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, just when you see that Jaguar album,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I want we've done a good job in several years.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: If this this city of Jacksonville, when they see that
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Jaguar amblem, there's a sense of pride and let's go, man,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Let's let's go. That's that's I can see a fast team.
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  Speaker 1: I see people who care deeply about that organization. And
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the two things I always talk about are that inspire
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  Speaker 1: our part of inspiration or love and ownership. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to own it. And if you don't want to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: do that, you can't. You really can't be here. And
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I own that, own that emblem. I remire definitely the
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: not lack passion. In his introductory press conference as the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, We're back, Jaguars,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Happy our Ashlyn Sullivan, Jeff Logerman, and Tony BASSELLI here
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: with a to do list of this busy offseason. Senior
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Bowl NFL combine draft coming up. But Tony, I go
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to you first with this first point, what do you
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: do with left tackle? You're most likely I'll take that back.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: You are drafting a quarterback with the number one overall picks.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: So do you re sign Cam Robinson? What are we
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: doing here, Tony? I mean, if you look at if
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you look at Cam, uh, Cam Robinson, he is he
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: had an up and down year. At times he looked
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: very good. It looked like he made big improvements, his
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: footwork look better. At other times there was some inconsistency
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and inconsistent a big game, at big times of games
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that you have a chance to maybe do something. UM.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: And so I think you have to look at what
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the value is. UM. It's it's obviously a premiere position.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: The offensive line you have to build, especially with the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: young quarterback and protect that guy. Um. You can't win
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: football games without a quarterback, which you can't win football
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: games without control the line of scrimmage either. So, UM,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: premier left I mean I'm not gonna say premier. Um.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Good left tackles are getting seventeen million dollars a year, UM,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: with a lot of million dollars guaranteed. Um, you're gonna
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: have some cap issues this year, not the Jaguars, but overall,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the NFL cap most likely gonna stay flat or go
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: down because of COVID. You have a lot of room
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: if you're the Jacksville Jaguars, and so I think what
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you do is you have to allocate. The first thing
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: you do is you say how much work? What value
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: do we put on Cam Robinson? And before we start
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: having conversations with him, let's put a value of like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: what are we comfortable with paying for this position based
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: on the play that we got last year and what
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: we are projecting we think he can be. UM. And
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: then you have to go start looking in the out
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: in the out in the free agent market, Um, what
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: what does it look like and what is going to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: happen and what our team is gonna have to do
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: based on cap pressure? Uh, and what is happening and
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: getting understanding what's out in the free agent market. And
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: then finally you look at the draft and you know
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you're gonna pick in twenty five. You know you have
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: a list of needs. You have to rank those needs
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: based on how you're building your team and what who
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you want to be and where you find the biggest
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: areas of weakness, and you start evaluating what can we
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: get at what can we get at the top of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the second round, what will be available, is it starting caliber,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is it someone we can trust to come in? Um?
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: And then you weigh all of that and then you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: make a decision of how aggressive you're gonna be with
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: came Robinson. So I don't think it's a decision you
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: make in a vacuum um as Yes, it's not a
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: buying there yes or no. UM. You got to do
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of research and start pulling together all the data,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: all the facts, and then you make a decision whether
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you keep them or not. And part of that is
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: is the unknown. What's the expectation of Cam Robinson and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: this camp financially? I mean, if they all sudden say hey,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: look we want twenty million a year an you're not
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: gonna say yeah, sure, you know we need to love
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: t Yeah you say goodbye. I mean, so you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of this is is kind of bid. What
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: would you would tag under the TBD to be determined,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: because you've got to find out where they are, where
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: you are, what your expectations are, and also what your
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: thoughts are with the new eli managed from the new
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: coach on that, because I mean the roster evaluation. You've
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: got new eyes looking at you now, and those new
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: eyes may have a different opinion of vastly different opinion
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: than what the eyes were looking at that position before.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: So well, it's not all new eyes, Jeff. I mean
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Trent Balkey has been looking at this roster for a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: year now. Um. Now maybe you know he now has
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: a greater say than he did before. So you know,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: existing eyes with new roles and new level of influence. Um,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what that he does, Trent
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: does with the personnel department, if there's changes there to
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: get fresh eyes in the process. The reason I bring
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: that up, Tony, is that when you when you have
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: a new set of eyes looking at someone. The reason
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I say that, for example, Cam Robinson is not Trent
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Balky's draft pick. Okay, that's right. That's a great point.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: That changes things because now you're looking at it without
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: your own personal glasses because you have a benefit of
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: retaining or paying a player that you drafted. The people
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: that are making the call now they have no tie,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: they have no tie to any past Jaguars draft picks.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Now it's all about evaluation based on production and expected
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: level of production, so that stuff will change, I think
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: as we move forward. I agree. Yep, great, great points.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Tony Boselli, thanks so much for joining us.
• 57:29
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• 57:33
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• 57:39
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• 57:42
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• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the draft and building your team through the draft. I
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: think you used the other avenues to supplement your roster,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: whether that's in big name free agents, uh, mid mid
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: tier free agents, or low end free I think you're
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: always searching to build your roster, whether it's from the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: top down or the bottom up, or somewhere in the middle. Uh.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: You your goal is to get the best fifty three
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: players you possibly can and go to work. I'm a
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: resource for coach. That's what the way I look at it.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I provide a service where he can come in, he
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: can boast things off of me. Question because there's gonna
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: be a lot of questions. There's gonna be a lot
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: of things that are gonna be first time for him.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: But in the short time I've been with him, the
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: one thing I realized, he's a quick study. It's not
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: gonna take him long to figure the rules out and
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: everything that goes with it. And he certainly as a coach,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you know, he knows his way around the practice field
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: very well. This is Jaguars Happy Former Jaguar Jeff Loghman
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:20
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:27
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• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: If you have not heard big news of the day,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars have announced Trent Bulky is a new general
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: manager of the Jaguars. Are going to break that down
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: along with Bucky Brooks coming up right here on Jaguars
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Happy Hour. So, Jeff, initial thoughts and initial reaction from
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Trent Bulky being the new general manager. I've been told
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that he's definitely a leader, definitely strongheaded, likes things his way.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how this goes now with
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, this is his show to run with the
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: help of Trent Bulky. Well, I think first and foremo
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: so you say strong headed. Who if somebody's good, uh
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: and believes in what they do, they should be strong headed.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And I like the fact that they got somebody that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: has experience at being a general manager in the National
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Football League, because I think having experience is going to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: help a coach for the first time that he's been
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: in the National Football League, like like an Urban buyer.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: So and I don't think there's any uh freak occurrence
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that Trent Balky was brought into this organization back in
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: the wintertime for just because, oh we liked him and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: he's a great addition. The reality is, and I think
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: that that ownership probably had a little bit of Say,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, if if Shot Khan had control over the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: roster last year and then obviously had some input and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: some of the decision making this year, why would he
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: not have had some input into the hiring of Trent
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Balky to a position within the Jaguar staff. And so
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: obviously there's a level of a respect and a level
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: of approval from a very get go when he was
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: brought in here, even though it wasn't for a general
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: manager role, but with how things occurred, I think it
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it worked out very well and I think Urban will
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: appreciate the experience that Trent Balky has. Yes, former director
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: of player Personnel. No coincidence that he is now here
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: now general manager of the Jaguars and is brought into
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: a perfect situation. You could say, number one overall pick
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: eleven draft picks. You have five draft picks in the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: first three rounds. I don't want to say it it's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: tough to mess that up because I know you can.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: But pretty ideal situation here for Trent pulls it's it's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: it's ideal if you look at it from the standpoint
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: of boy, there's a lot of draft picks, but an
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: ideal situation is to be taken over, uh, the general
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: manager position for an organization that has been a perennial winner.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I mean that's optimal. I mean this is challenging and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: some people might be scared of it, but some of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the personnel guys think that this is a great opportunity
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: because they believe very strongly in their own ability to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: acquire talent to build an organization, and so there are
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of positives, but the reality is there's a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: lot of building to do, a lot of building to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: do from from every aspect because this organization has not
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: been very successful over the years. And it's a great
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: challenge and it's one that I think that Urban Meyer
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: looked at and saw as a great opportunity that uh
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: for for to win number one, but number two, that look,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: if you go to the NFL and you win, and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to win, and you've got the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: tools and the resources to do it, go for it.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: It would add to your legacy. I mean, Jimmy Johnson.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Look at what Jimmy Johnson was one National Championships. It's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: like Urban goes to the Cowboys, gets Troy Aikman, already
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: has Michael Irvin there and then has the Herschel Walker trade,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: which gives them a boon of pis. Well, the Jaguars
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: already have a boon of pis and they're able to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: build a Super Bowl, multiple multi time winner in Dallas,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: and Jimmy Johnson was a big part of that. So
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I think Urban looked at that and said here's my
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: chance to put my stamp in the NFL. And I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: think it's a great opportunity. It's a great opportunity for everybody. Yeah,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I don't blame him at all. He came in here
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: saying I was only going to come into a situation
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that was perfect and one more I saw that I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: could win. There's no secret the opportunities there. You just
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: got to go take it. Now. Well, there's there's other
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: opportunities around the National Football League that have been filled.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: But some of those opportunities, there are opportunities just from
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the standpoint to look, there's only thirty two positions of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: being a head coach. But you look at some of them,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and not to name names, but some of them are
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: teams that have a commitment to the quarterback that you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: can't get out of. And the quarterback play hasn't been great.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: The cap situations are horrendous. Some teams don't have any
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: draft capital and then have a situation where some people
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: on staff are untouchable or seem to be untouchable. Um,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: and in a quarterback that's very unhappy. I mean, so
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: there's all these others. Well, I mean, take your pick,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: uh and and ownership issues that that aren't particularly strong,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and and so this situation strong ownership, willing to spend
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: commitment to whatever resources are available, lots of draft picks,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: lots of cap room, and an opportunity to take a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: piece of clay and mold it into your eyes. And
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's what probably and would have if I'm
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: urban Meyer, that would have made this job extremely attractive.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's one of the big reasons he
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: took it, because, I mean, he knows that, uh, this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: is a quarterback game, and he said that before in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: this press conference, and he didn't say just it's a
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: quarterback league. He said, it's a quarterback game. And here
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you are. You you're sitting there with the first overall
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: picking an opportunity to pick a quarterback that you can
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: pick and have a chance to win in the future.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: So I was just too much to pass up for him.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I could not agree more. And now he has the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: task of building a coaching staff. And I was talking
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to someone and they said, yes, it's great that you
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: come into this opportunity, and it's a great oppert tun
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: very well publicized, but it's also incredibly hard to be
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a head coach right now, because you have every coach
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: you've ever been around calling you saying, hey, give me
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: an opportunity. You don't really know what you're doing. As
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: well as NFL experience. To all these people are calling you,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: who do you put where? There's all these interviews going on.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: It stresses me out just thinking about it. I'm not
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: gonna lie because I can only imagine the phone calls
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: he's getting right now. What's true, what's not? I can
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: tell you this, Actually, it's a hell of a lot
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: better to have people calling you wanting a job than
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: people that are going, I don't want to have anything
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: to do with you in the job, because I I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: can tell you there are markets and situations that are
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: like that. So having people call you that's great. Now
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you can cherry pick, you know, because if you've got
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: six guys calling you for one position and urban talked
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: about being the best of the best and making having
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: an elite staff, well, okay, if you've got six to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: choose from seven, eight to choose from, to hell a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: lot better than some other market that has nobody calling
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: you because they don't want to work for you, because
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: they know that the situation you're in you don't have
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: a chance. And so when more people are calling you,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And so then you can say, Okay,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take him because he is the best out
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: of this group. He is the best I can get.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: And so that's a positive, even though it might think
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: he's driving crazy because all these people are calling you.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Look Erban Meyer has a vast history with coaches and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: and a and a very strong network. I'm sure of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: people that he can make phone calls to, like he's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: done with Jimmy Johnson in the past, to be able
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to get information on some people that he may not
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: know about but might be an ace on his staff.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure he's used lying, utilizing all of those tools. Yes,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: that guy, safe to say, knows a lot of people
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: around the league, around college football. He's got three sources
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to make it happen, all right. When we come back
• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:47
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us. The big news of the day
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  Speaker 1: as Trent Fulky is the new general manager for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: What were your thoughts, um, I thought is very similar
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  Speaker 1: to what Jeff had uttered. We talked about experience being
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  Speaker 1: different opinions and you challenge one another to get the
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  Speaker 1: think this is an interesting matchup. I think this was
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  Speaker 1: something that was certainly in the cars when Balky came
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear say that Bell was an upgrade in
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  Speaker 1: the last that I mean I was expecting you to
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  Speaker 1: do the same, I mean upgrade. Man, you got, Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: some upgrade calls there. I'm never gonna live this down ever,
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  Speaker 1: telling me, I can't believe you didn't call her out
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the last show. So whate there,
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  Speaker 1: I was calling her out. Okay, that's right. Hold everybody accountable. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's fair, it's fair. I'll take the blame, all right, Bucky.
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  Speaker 1: We are getting ready for the Senior Bowl next week
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  Speaker 1: and I know you'll be covering it from your home.
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  Speaker 1: Needless to say, the Senior Bowl is gonna look a
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  Speaker 1: little different this year. Yeah, it is going to look
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  Speaker 1: a little different. Like there are all kinds of protocols
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  Speaker 1: put in place to protect the players, uh, limiting the
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  Speaker 1: amount of representatives from each team that can come and
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  Speaker 1: check out the event in in live action. But I
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  Speaker 1: think this is a great opportunity to still see these prospects,
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  Speaker 1: and when you think about the opt outs and the
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  Speaker 1: limited games and the different amount of games, and some
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  Speaker 1: of these players have played the Senior Bowl will really
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  Speaker 1: help a lot of guys kind of determine where players
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  Speaker 1: fit on the board. And never forget, without the combine,
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  Speaker 1: we won't get a chance to see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the top prospects on the field together. And so when
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  Speaker 1: you're doing these comparisons between maybe wide receiver three and
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver four, to be able to potentially see them
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  Speaker 1: go through drills, workout back to back and do that,
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  Speaker 1: it will help you separate some of the clusters that
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  Speaker 1: ultimately exist on the draft boards when it comes closer
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  Speaker 1: to draft time. Yeah, I think you've got a great
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  Speaker 1: point there, Bucky, as far as I mean, you have
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  Speaker 1: some opt outs that didn't even play in a college
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  Speaker 1: season that may participate in an All Star Game. There's
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  Speaker 1: some programs like Florida State that didn't play a lot
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  Speaker 1: of football games this year. So and most importantly, when
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  Speaker 1: you have an All Star game, it's about seeing NFL
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  Speaker 1: for me personally, when when I played in the Blue
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  Speaker 1: Gray Game and I don't even think that's even existence anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And then also the East West Shrine game, it raised
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  Speaker 1: my UH profile because I was able to play some
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  Speaker 1: different positions, but also to go against what we're viewed
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  Speaker 1: important thing. I think UH for the All Star Games
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  Speaker 1: when you're evaluating guys. And a perfect example of that
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  Speaker 1: buck I remember watching Brandon Linder and his All Star performance,
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  Speaker 1: and I was watching him against other guys that were
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  Speaker 1: considered extremely high draft ability why and he was working
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  Speaker 1: stature as well. So all Star games crazy important. And
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  Speaker 1: the combine what's the status on that buckey, what's is
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  Speaker 1: not even gonna exist? What's the deal? So a couple
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  Speaker 1: couple of points that are really important. Um knowing one
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  Speaker 1: and nointry embarking and knowing this scouting staff. All Star
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  Speaker 1: games will have significance now you await them accordingly. But
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  Speaker 1: because you haven't seen some of these players play against
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  Speaker 1: elite competition, the All Star Game could give you a
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  Speaker 1: little preview in terms of how they may play at
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  Speaker 1: tool as it relates to the combine. The way the
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  Speaker 1: combine is going to exist now is really it's a
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  Speaker 1: virtual combine. Teams will do uh the zoom interviews and
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: conduct that part of it virtually. Eventually they were figure
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  Speaker 1: out of time to have everyone come in to do
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the medicals stuff, but pro days will now be the
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  Speaker 1: big thing. Scouts will have to get on the road
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  Speaker 1: to see these prospects work out because logs, as you
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  Speaker 1: talk about, some of these guys haven't played since twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: You have no idea what their size is, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what their way to you don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: they move around the same way that they moved around
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  Speaker 1: the last time you saw them on the field. And
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: so being able to try and get some kind of
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  Speaker 1: evaluation on the athleticism, the movement skills and those things.
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  Speaker 1: It's a challenge this year, and I think the best teams,
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  Speaker 1: the teams that handle it the best will be those
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  Speaker 1: who really rely on the tape, and so tape study
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  Speaker 1: will be paramount. It's always big in the evaluation process,
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  Speaker 1: but I think this year more than ever, you have
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  Speaker 1: to really trust what your eyes tell you based off
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• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: and and it's not I'm not saying it was their
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  Speaker 1: fault whether they did or didn't, but the players that
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  Speaker 1: played because their programs played and they chose to play,
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  Speaker 1: I think have a distinct advantage over the players that didn't.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's unfortunate because some players had serious concerns
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  Speaker 1: because of the pandemic. But that's just the reality of
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  Speaker 1: if you're a personnel man, you're gonna go with what
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  Speaker 1: And some guys that you may be projected Bucky as
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  Speaker 1: a first round pick but he decided not to play, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, he may not be a first round
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  Speaker 1: pick this year, just because you know, if you're a
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  Speaker 1: bit old school as far as you have to have
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't choose for the most part. So he
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  Speaker 1: has to be able to have a level of trust
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  Speaker 1: with some people and then bring more people in that
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  Speaker 1: he can trust, because this is a year that scouting
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  Speaker 1: makes their money because they're gonna have to end up
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: forecasting a lot of this stuff, and some of it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys to watch, and will continue
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  Speaker 1: to change because as we know in All Star games,
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• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it because of some of the restrictions that the All
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  Speaker 1: areas that you really get a good look at in
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: a in a or thorough understanding of guys. Is the
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  Speaker 1: I say that is a lot of times certain teams
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  Speaker 1: have so much talent that the skill position it has
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: a tendency to overpower the offensive line position. And you
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  Speaker 1: can really get a good evaluation on a guy that
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• 1:23:25
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• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: evaluation of their athleticism, their power and everything else. And
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: so that's that's one aspect I mean, for me, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the All Star Games, I'm really focusing
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  Speaker 1: on the offensive line. That's I think you get really
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  Speaker 1: good information their skill position players. They always rise and
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: they always stand out and they will continue to stand out.
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  Speaker 1: But the quarterback play typically in an All Star Game
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  Speaker 1: is not great enough to make a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: skill position players stand out. But that offensive line position,
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  Speaker 1: that's where I think you can find out really worth
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  Speaker 1: some guys really need to be you know, it's funny, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: because the trenches are everything, and so whether we talk
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  Speaker 1: about the offensive line or the defensive line, those battles
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  Speaker 1: really matter. And so and practice is all about looking
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  Speaker 1: at nine on seven and so for the viewer of
• 1:24:13
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  Speaker 1: but it's a run period, is a physical period, and
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  Speaker 1: you really get to see who can kind of stand
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  Speaker 1: the test of time in terms of being able to
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: control the point of attack. Also the one on one
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: situations that you see pass rush situations, being able to
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: see as Jeff, you alluded to those offensive linemen on islands,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: because unlike in the game where you can lean on
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: your neighbors and get some body help and stuff, if
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: you're playing inside and guard or even outside where the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: tied end and the running back and chip, you get
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: a chance to really do this all by yourself. And
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: so seeing how those guys perform in those events that's critical,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: and I think it's very very critical to the overall evaluation. Yeah,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: it's it's one of these I think it's one of
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  Speaker 1: the hardest positions to evaluate, and so the more information
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: that you can get, the better. And then the All
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  Speaker 1: Star Games provide that. And I'll give you a story
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Ashland back uh, and I'll make it quick. When I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: was a player here in Jacksonville and Buck, I'll never
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: forget he was, I think, like a fourth round pick
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And I'll never forget the first day that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: we went in pads, and I remember the first day
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: in pats and I remember I watched him for the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: first round. This guy has no chance of playing in
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: the National He's got no chance. I mean he couldn't
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: get into a stance without his ankles and his knees
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: going in these crazy directions. And it was one practice,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: You're going, he's got no chance. And I'm sitting there
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: thinking to myself, what the heck were they watching? What
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: do they evaluate on this guy? Because I mean, there
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: are offensive lineman that play on good teams that if
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: you've got a great running back and a great quarterback,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: you can make an offensive lineman look pretty good. And
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: so I'll just I'll never forget that I was just
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: like man one day, and I kind of had this
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: guy picked that he wasn't even gonna make the roster,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: but he made the roster just because he was a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: draft pick. But then soon after that he was bye bye.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't play. You're passionate about this. The
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: more information you can get at the offensive line, the
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: better y'ere off you are. I can tell you that
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: well asked to talk about what what lives are saying
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of times you're seeing these guys come from
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: these offenses that are so spread heavy, so pass happy,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: that you really don't know if they can translate to
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: the NFL game, because the NFL game is about the
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: running game as much as we talk about the passing game.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: And can you get into three point stance? Can you
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: move people off the ball and pass protection? Can you
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: deal with the superheroes that play on the defensive line,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: because these guys look they can leap tall buildings in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: a single bound, and if you don't have the foot quickness,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: if you don't have the ability to anchor, it makes
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: it very difficult for you to play in this league
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: for a long time. And sometimes you can't assess that
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: on tape. Sometimes you have to see them in practice,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: go against other good players to really determine how that
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: they are as prospect. Very fair, very fair. I have
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: a predicament. I guess I can say for you too.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: And I hope my dad's watching because he always says,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: as you look at Joe Burrow and Cincinnati and they say, oh,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: you know, they didn't address the offensive line. That's why
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow got hurt. Obviously that was going to happen. Now,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: obviously that's not true. Injuries happen in the NFL. So Bucky,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I'll go to you, how much of priority is this
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: offensive line is? They must need got to re look
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: at everything we read at the combine last year and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: everyone said fan wise, oh you have to completely redo
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the offensive line. Coaching staff said, no, it's not that bad. Guys,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: just wait and see so Jaguars taking a quarterback number
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: one overall? How much are you looking at this offensive line?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I think you have to consider because I think a
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: lot is to be determinent about Cam Rominson, and so
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: depending on if you bring him back as your left tackle,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: you may or may not have a big void. But
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: I think with the offensive line, I don't think you
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: ever can have enough of them. If you look at
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: the best teams in this division, their offensive line is solidified.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: The Indian Appolist Coast offensive line is one of the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: best in football. You look at the way the Tennessee
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Titans dominate in the trenches, it is because they've invested
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: in the offensive line. I will say this. I believe
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: your offensive line and your defensive line are the lifeblood
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: of your team. And if you don't invest in those guys,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: if you don't have a level offensive and defensive lines,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: it is hard to win consistently in the league. I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: think it's something that always needs to be addressed. And
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: luckily in this class there are a number of offensive
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: tackles that could be there in the middle to the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: bottom of the first round. It would be great because
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: you can improve an offensive line by getting better players,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: number one, and also creating competition, and then you got
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: to improve with what you got. And and I really
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: believe this. I think he create competition on this Jaguars
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: offensive line to make those guys push themselves. But then
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: also you have to expect more out of these guys.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Joanna Taylor. I think it is a perfect example. Bucky.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I like his athleticism. I think he can
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: be an elite right tackle in this league, and last
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: year was not the standard that he needs to meet.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: In my and you, oh, Jeff, I think that's everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I think when you have a new coaching staff
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: coming in, a new general manager, I think everybody in
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: the building has to perk up on the roster. And
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: when you think about this offensive line, there's no one
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: that's invested in whoever the five guys that were out
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: there last year. So now you bring in better guys,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: guys that can push, because not only do you want
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: the best guys to play, but you want the backups
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: to be capable of being starters. The best teams have
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of depth where you have seven eight guys
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: that can play and function at a high level. That's
• 1:29:33
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  Speaker 1: and they are hard at work building a coaching staff. Bucky.
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  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of reports going on. Every time you
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  Speaker 1: log on the Twitter you see a new one. But
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  Speaker 1: what do you think in favorite so far for offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator defensive coordinator? Were talking Joe calling a couple of
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  Speaker 1: breaks back. Definitely a favorite here in Jackson. So how
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  Speaker 1: do you think this plays out? You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: Joe Cullen certainly has the inside track in terms of
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: being the defensive coordinator, and I think he comes with
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of experience. Obviously haven't been down there before,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: but his time with Baltimore. When you look at the
• 1:32:43
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• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: can attack your protections in a few different ways and
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: they're very very aggressive. The thing that I would I
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: would say is if he comes in, if he is
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, you just need to make sure that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: your second dairy coaches understand how to fit the pieces
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: around it, because sometimes guys that live upfront have a
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: tougher time matching up in the back end when it
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: comes to coverage. So it puts a greater premium on
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: making sure that your dB coaches are great teachers and
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: also great schemers so they can make the magic on
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: the board really work in real life when you get
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to the field. Yeah, I mean, typically you see a
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  Speaker 1: guy that goes from a positional coach to a coordinator
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: position on defense having had experience either as the linebackers
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: coach or as a secondary coach. Just from a coverage standpoint,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: I think, well, obviously what Bucky's talking about right there,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: and so it is odd that you see a defensive
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: line coach go up to the coordinator position. But but
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I will say this, Bucky, you know, look at having
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: been a former defensive lineman. Look, we're not all dumbies. Okay,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: we we do understand defensive concepts. Okay, just because we
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: play defensive line doesn't mean that we don't didn't understand
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: cover just as well. No, I think, I think, I
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting, But I will say this, typically what
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: happens when you do that, because we've seen guys have success.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Dan Quinn has been a successful defensive coordinator. Typically what happens, though,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: is that experience have been dealt with the big guys
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: in the line of scrimmage. You're going to be dominant
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: against the run. Typically, that's always going to be the
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: point of emphasis. We gotta stop to run to make
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: teams one dimensional. And in today's game, even though we
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: talked about it being a passing league, in the playoffs
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: and when it gets to the last part of the season,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: the running game matters and you have to be able
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to stop that, to force
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: people to throw when you really want to throw. And
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: so look, I think he has an opportunity to do
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: a really good job. That experience serves him will not
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: only in Jackson, but also in Baltimore. So I look
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: forward to it. I know there's some other guys that
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: were being banded around, but it seems like Colin is
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: going to be the guy at defense. Yeah, I mean
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Look at look actually looking at
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: my phone just a few minutes ago. I mean, all
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: the reports are is that Joe Culin is the defensive
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: coordinator and Bucky Uh. I know Joe, Joe very well,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: good guy and excited for him. And what's amazing to me,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: ashland Is and Bucky you know this. So the number
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: of defensive coordinators that have come out of Baltimore's positional group,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's immense and uh, it's almost
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: as if, Look, if you want to get a defensive
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: coordinator position, go to Baltimore. Okay, be uh, just a
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: low level guy on defense, advanced to a position and
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna be a defensive coordinator one day. And
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: then for many years it was automatic defensive coordinator for Baltimore. Ravens,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: guess what, you're a head coach in the waiting, You're
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: coming out of Baltimore. Yeah, I mean, look, it's been
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: there for a long time, Jeff, going back to when
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: we played together in the mid nineties, Baltimore has always
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: been known for their defense and the way they've consistently
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: kind of built that team in that program around the toughness,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: the physicality and aggressiveness of the defense. And I just
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: hope like that can pop up in Xonville, because you
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: would like to see kind of a defensive oriented, defensive
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: centric team because at the end of the day, the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: teams that separate themselves are the ones that can get stops.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: All of the teams that continue to play in the
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: final four, our teams that can stop people when you
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: need to, And I think it has to be a
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: part of the program going forward. I cannot agree more.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: In Buckey, I want your opinion on this as well.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: We talked a couple of segments ago about the offensive
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: coordinator position, Scotland Ahan Anthony Lynn. I have question marks
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: around both, but there's also positives about both. And we said,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: you know, chaina command, who do you call offensive coordinator?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Can Can they be a tie? Can you have both
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: of them? Because they're both pre qualified? You know, I
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: think there's a way that you can do it. Like
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: it really just depends and a lot of it depends
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: on the ego. I'll talk about Anthony land first and
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn. What you're hoping to get is what is
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: the soup dejour, meaning that Shanahan run game that system
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: because that system has made um average players, good good
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: players into superstars. And so if you can get that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: offensive system where you got the offensive line working on tracks,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: you have running backs that are down here one cult
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: runners who James Robinson certainly fits the build, and that
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: you now can run. You can run the ball, and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: it takes so much pressure off your quarterback. In a
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: perfect world, if you can take Anthony Lynn with that
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: run game and then match him up with Scott Linahan
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: and what he's been able to do in the passing game,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: yes it would be great. I will say this about
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Scott Linahan. A lot of people will kind of go
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: back and forth in him and hall On Lenahan, But
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: if you look at the work that he did in
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Dallas with Dak Prescott, young quarterback got him up and going.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Now they had pieces in place, meaning the offensive line
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: was solidified, they had a running back in Ezekiel Elliott,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: and as Dad got better, he grew from being what
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: I would call a game manager to being more of
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: a playmaker. Even though we can celebrate and go crazy
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: over what Trevor Lawrence potentially could be if he is
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: to pick, you have to remember it's a young quarterback.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: You don't want to task him with too much of that.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: You want to be able to have a balanced offense
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: that allows the quarterback to grow into being a playmaker.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: You don't want to ask them to be a playmaker
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: in your one. Yeah, you gotta take your pressure off
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: of them. And that's and it's funny that you talk
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: about Dallas and and how Scott Linehan was able to
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: help out Dak Prescott when well, you brought up a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: good point and that well, that offensive line and Ezeko
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Elliott was what made Scott Linehan good and what made
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott have the time to be able to develop.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I mean even though we talk about
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: coaches being important, and they are very important, and you
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: can question offensive coordinators every day and three times on Sunday,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: but when you start to have really good players, it
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: becomes harder to question offensive coordinators. Absolutely, it's a it's
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: a player's game, and that is the number one thing
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: and we have to keep that in mind. As much
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: as we may talk about the position coaches and the coordinators.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: The number one job first of the gentlemanager in urban
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: you got to bring in a level players because the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: better the players are, the better it is that you
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: look as a coach. And so if we can bring
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: in a number of five star players that can come
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: in and have impact, because you need impact players to
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: really change the course of the franchise, that helps all
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: coaches look better. Better players better team, better team to
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  Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan Jeff Logman here on Thursday, getting ready for
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  Speaker 1: a busy Sunday championship games. You have Sunday three o'clock
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Sunday six thirty Buffalo in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling Jeff in the break that this is
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  Speaker 1: Buffaloes year calling, so what do you what's your story
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  Speaker 1: I just think was a weird year. So why not
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  Speaker 1: make it any weirder and have the Buffalo Bills win
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in front of all these other teams
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  Speaker 1: that are historic and all this. They're really good. I look,
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  Speaker 1: I I think they're They're general manager and coach have
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  Speaker 1: done an amazing job. Their young quarterback has made a
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  Speaker 1: great progression and his accuracy has gone where people didn't
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  Speaker 1: think that it could go. And he is certainly uh
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  Speaker 1: an elite athlete as well as having armed talent. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a great battle two young quarterbacks. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think that if Patrick Mahomes plays and he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have any ill effects from the concussion, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: see Kansas City losing. But it should be a great
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  Speaker 1: football game and I can't wait to see Aaron Rodgerson
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady Championship game for Tom Brady? Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: And just to imagine that if Tampa Bay does win
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  Speaker 1: that game, they play the first year that Tom Brady
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  Speaker 1: is the quarter back in the Super Bowl in their city.
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  Speaker 1: He can't write it up better than that. Are you taking?
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  Speaker 1: You're taking Buffalo? Obviou take it? I think Buffalo and
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay, Green Bay. If you don't beat Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 1: you just don't. But you also can say the same
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  Speaker 1: for Tom Brady. I'm gonna do the exact option I'm taking.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking Kansas City, Patrick Mahomes and uh and I'm
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  Speaker 1: taking Tom Brady in the bus. Wow. Now that is
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  Speaker 1: a game to watch. Okay, Well, then who wins with that?
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  Speaker 1: Cam City? Kan City wins it all? They did that?
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  Speaker 1: You know that's the cancer. You're good. We never thought
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  Speaker 1: there could be a Tom Brady, but we might be
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  Speaker 1: watching the next one right now. Yes we will, and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully the Jaguars get their next Tom Brady, the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: number one overall pick. Talk lots about that in this program.
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  Speaker 1: And that is Jaguars Happy Hour. Ashton Sullivan, Jeff Longman.
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