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John Loeffler: Ideology The Reason For Constant Trump Negative Media Coverage · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Four minutes into the rally, MSNBC cut away to say that prices are up, except that prices
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  are down, eggs are down, gas is down, energy is down, network news credibility is down.
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  But the resistance media isn't just playing chicken little today.
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  Since Donald Trump took office, news busters looked at 899 stories on NBC, ABC and CBS,
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  and 92% of them were negative, 92%.
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  Even on immigration where Trump is polling extremely well, the network spend was 93% negative,
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  hitting your thumb with a hammer has a negative rating of 89%.
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  And during Joe Biden's first 100 days, the networks gave him 59% positive coverage.
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  So again, common sense would ask, is the sky really falling?
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  Or did you just fall for the media telling you the sky is falling?
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello friends, welcome.
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  Thank you so much for tuning in for listening and by that intro, you know what we're going
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  to be talking about today and why?
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  Because millions of people still take in what you and I are very aware of as the biased
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  extreme leftist, some people would say Marxist media in America, you put up whatever descriptor
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  you want in front of that.
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  That's why we bring in one of the media guys, my friend John Leffler, an expert in this
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  area to talk about this.
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  Welcome back to the podcast, so good to see you brother.
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  Yeah, I haven't been here since the middle of last year, Jeepers.
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  We need to do this more often.
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  I know we will.
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  We will.
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  I'm going to even promise our viewers, John will be back soon.
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  So you heard the clip and that basically kind of sums up a lot.
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  I mean, I've got, I don't know, what is this 8, 9, 10 pages here from the media research
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  center.
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  We're going to talk about how off, I think most Americans, let's just rephrase that.
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  Which Christians or conservatives or informed citizens are aware that the media is a problem
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  in America with propaganda.
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  They're a problem, it's, it's, they always tilt left, they're very progressive.
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  And yet millions of people still watch and think they're getting the news.
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  Just your overall view on this issue before we dive into some of the numbers and some
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  of the stories.
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  Well, it's, it's true and it's not surprising.
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  I got a letter from a listener and a former listener to my radio show in Toronto, Ontario.
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  I said, was I surprised by the results of the Canadian elections?
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  I said, no, because the Canadians listen to the CBC and they assume they're getting true
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  news and they're not.
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  The CBC is sort of like NPR here in this country or any of the other networks.
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  And so while the Canadians are becoming aware of the fact that they're developing real
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  serious problems in Canada, they keep voting for the same people who cause the problems
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  in the first place, you know.
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  But what you have to understand, David, is, and I'm old enough to remember this, I started
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  into radio and TV in 1966 and have been in it for all that time and you are starting
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  about the, what I have a veteran, I should be talking like this when I started in the
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  news back in 18, is about the late 70s, so my wife has your masters in mass communications,
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  we met working for a TV network and so we're on the same page on this and we noticed that
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  over the 70s, you know, we, we finished our work in the 70s, but about the end of the
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  70s, beginning of the 80s, you saw this change in the broadcast colleges and the journalism
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  colleges where they began to teach the people coming out that they were not to be reporters
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  of news, that they were to be purveyors of social narrative to achieve social change.
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  And that's how they were trained.
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  And so you really began to see this in the 80s news.
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  Now they still kept the cloak over them as if, oh well, we're here and we're, we're
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  just, you know, the professional reporters yet, yet, yet, yet.
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  It wasn't until the late 1980s that suddenly conservatives discovered talk radio on
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  AM.
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  AM was a dying medium.
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  They said, and Rush Limbaugh hit it and then a bunch of regional networks like my own
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  daily radio show out of Colorado.
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  And we began to transform the political culture and you saw the impact of this and that's
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  why we're different right now than Canada, than Europe, than the United Kingdom and Australia.
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  Because we have a vibrant new medium that has come up either on broadcast or the internet
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  or internet newspapers that has challenged the mainline people in 1990.
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  My wife told me I'd been off doing documentary work and my wife looked at me and she says,
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  you've got to get back on the air and tell people what's really happening.
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  And that's where it started.
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  So when, when Mr. Trump was elected the first time I told my listeners, I don't know how
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  these, I know how these people think.
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  Let me tell you what's going to happen here.
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  The first stage will be the obituary.
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  Okay.
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  And they'll go for three or four days of how could this have ever happened?
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  We don't understand.
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  The polls said that Hillary was supposed to, gee, call it, willikers.
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  And they would talk to each other.
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  Did you notice that?
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  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  talking to each other.
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  That's an echo chamber.
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  And I would sit out here watching on, you know, out of the studio TV going, hello, put
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  me on.
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  I'll tell you why.
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  You know, you can't, you don't get it.
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  Then I said stage number two, stage number two was going to be the drumbeat.
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  And what they would have to do is pick on things, anything that Mr. Trump did that, and
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  they would say it was negative until they found something they thought they could make
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  stick.
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  And that was Russia collusion.
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  That was the thing.
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  So for 26 months, we heard the, put up, put up, put up, put up, boom, boom, of Russia
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  collusion.
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  And they abandoned all pretext of professionalism at that time, all pretext.
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  They would go from unnamed sources because Harry's brother, Joe, who heard it from his
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  cousin down in the White House basement heard that this and that, I'm going, I don't believe
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  this, the things I was hearing, the Washington Post during the days of Watergate.
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  Remember that one?
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  They would never have run with a story like that.
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  And so finally, when Mr. Trump was re-elected, I said, all right, what you're going to expect
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  is every single story will be negative, even one that's this success.
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  Mr. Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump could create a pill, one pill that cures cancer
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  of all types over a short period of treatment.
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  And the media's headline would be President Trump deprives 5 million healthcare workers
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  of jobs.
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  That's what it would be, okay, because they work under a three, four.
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  Remember, they're journalist activists.
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  They're not newsmen anymore.
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  Yes, they're not credible sources of news.
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  The only people that believe them are their echo chambers.
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  And the pattern they follow, if it follows their narratives, the narratives are geared to
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  achieving social outcomes all the way from Gaza to Washington.
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  If it follows that, pound it, pound it, pound it, pound it.
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  If it sort of is there, twist it, twist it, and then pound it, pound it to report the
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  things that support the narrative and ignore the things that don't, if it doesn't fit
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  the narrative, this is stage three, ridicule it, ignore it, declaim it, attack it.
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  And that's the pattern that we see.
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  And it's been ongoing.
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  And so when you say 95 percent, well, it doesn't surprise me, Dave, but what kind of
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  are you living on, you know?
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  I mean, that's pretty bad, though, when you're talking about, well, let me just read this
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  section of this report.
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  And friends, this is go to mrc.org, mrc.org media research center.
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  We're going to their sister outlet news busters.
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  And this is the story we're talking about where TV news is literally assaulting the second
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  Trump administration with 92 percent negative coverage.
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  So it says just 100 days in the second term, the broadcast evening news landscape is
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  even even more lopsided than it was eight years ago when he had a hostile news coverage.
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  So the new Trump administration has faced 92 percent negative from, listen to this, ABC,
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  CBS, and NBC, who now we're not talking about the communist news network network CNN and
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  the Marxist media at MSNBC and the others.
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  We're talking about the major outlets that most people might still listen to, John.
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  That's why we're discussing this important issue today because these programs average
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  around 19 million viewers.
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  And so this, these are wide news outlets.
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  And my concern is not enough people are aware, not enough people can understand the bias.
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  Maybe they think, oh, yeah, maybe they obviously they're Democrats, they don't like Trump,
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  but they don't know how bad it is.
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  No, they really don't.
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  And I talk to one of my close relatives, and by the way, you know what's interesting,
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  it's with all of my relatives, most of them are progressives or liberals or whatever.
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  We're all still talking to each other.
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  All right.
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  We didn't get into this.
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  You voted for Trump.
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  I can't talk to you anymore.
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  No thanksgiving turkey for you.
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  Yeah, no thanksgiving turkey for you.
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  And everything.
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  She asked me some questions one night.
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  So I began to respond, you know, and so on and so.
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  And I just go at it methodically with fact, fact after this, fact after that.
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  And she says, we're always defending Trump.
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  I said, I'm not always defending President Trump.
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  I'm just trying to get you for the last eight years to stop saying darn Trump as the solution
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  to everything.
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  And I keep telling you, your media are lying.
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  She watches MSLSD.
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  And I just said, they're lying to you.
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  How much, what do I have to do to convince you that you're being lied to?
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  All of the information you have is a distortion, even the truth that they're giving to you.
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  And I'm frustrated because I'm a traditional journalist.
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  And we were always driven by the, my motto is Semper Veritas.
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  Always the truth, no matter what.
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  Republican, Democrat, always the truth, you know.
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  And that's what traditional journalists were.
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  But why are we here?
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  I mean, I think that's the important thing.
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  And it's because we're in a big time of paradigm shift.
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  And the, when you go through a paradigm shift, you go through three stages, okay.
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  And you have to recognize it in the West.
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  The media left, the, the elitist left, have held sway.
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  Not just here, but in Europe, Great Britain, Australia, they've held sway.
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  And the pendulum now has gone as far as it can away from reality when all of these policies
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  that they've introduced are failing.
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  And the pendulum is coming the other way and swinging the other way.
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  And what they're desperately trying to do is to hang onto it, you know, this big, heavy
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  pendulum, they're going, wait.
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  You know, as it's dragging in the other direction, because reality's now striking home.
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  Three stages in a paradigm shift.
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  What is it?
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  Number one, everybody thinks it's a glitch.
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  That's what they thought with the, the democrat, I'm sorry, the Republican Revolution
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  in 94, the Tea Party in 2008.
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  And then the election of Mr. Trump in 2016, it's a glitch.
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  And if we just work hard enough, we can just turn it around and bring it back to where
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  it was before.
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  And stage two is where people start to wake up and usually the smart people wake up to
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  this first.
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  And they go, wait a minute, this isn't a glitch.
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  This is a paradigm shift and cultures go through these from time to time.
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  They, the problem there is, even while they might admit that there's a change, they're
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  still trying to use the old rules.
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  And then the third stage, and this is really the really smart people arrive first and they're
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  the ones who make money who can benefit from it, they recognize a, it's a not a glitch,
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  b, it's a permanent paradigm shift, c, there's a new normal, and d, we'd better figure
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  out what the new rules are real fast.
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  And that's where we are.
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  So the media are trying to drag us back here, whereas President Trump and Vice President
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  Vance have signaled, signaled, no, the old stuff is old, foolish environmental policies
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  are collapsing.
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  Governments are big, bloated, inflationary.
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  We can no longer sustain this.
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  The regulation burden cannot be sustained anymore, yet, yet.
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  But remember when you're draining a swamp, there are a lot of swamp critters in there that
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  love the stink and the warmth and the wet, and they don't want it drained.
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  So in these three paradigm shifts, not everybody makes the change at the same time.
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  And that's why we have all the clanging and banging that we do, David.
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  Okay.
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  So let's go back to a few of the numbers from this report from Media Research Center.
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  It's not just President Trump, it's Elon Musk, it's Pete Hegseth, it's Robert F. Kennedy
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  Jr. And let's talk about this, because HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. faced 89%
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  negative press, and Elon Musk was hit with 96% negative coverage, and Secretary of Defense
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  Pete Hegseth received a unanimous 100% bad press from the networks.
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  That means no matter what the story was involving the Secretary of Defense, or the military,
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  or whatever it was negative.
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  So the networks spin on Trump's tariffs, was 93% negative, while doge cutbacks to government
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  were at 97% negative.
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  John, so a couple things right now.
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  First of all, anyone associated with Trump, you got to put them in the basket, too.
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  They're off those negative.
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  There are enemy, if you're a leftist Democrat, socialist progressive Marxist.
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  Now we're talking about individuals, but 100% unanimous negative coverage on Hegseth,
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  maybe because he used to work at Fox News.
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  Probably had something to do with it, but this is a double whammy, that's an apostasy.
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  What is this stirs up fear?
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  It is irresponsible.
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  There's no principles of journalism anymore.
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  They're out the door, and is irresponsible because they are stirring up fear, saying the
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  tariffs are going to affect everybody.
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  They're going to affect your grocery bills, and whatever they report on negatively, they're
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  trying to stir up fear.
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  Your thoughts on that?
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  Well, that's exactly what's happening because it was Saul Olinsky back in 1972.
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  He said that friction and or fear makes the whole thing work.
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  In order to make this dialectic work, because they're using a Marxist dialectic to do this
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  social change that they're gearing for, you have to get people all mad at each other
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  in yelling and screaming and shouting and danger, the sky's falling, the sky's falling.
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  If you look at stories, what I do in the morning, I go to what I call the splash pages,
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  Huffington Post, Drudge Report, maybe if I really want to have a good jolt and get
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  mad in the morning and get myself motivated, I'll go to Salon Magazine, which is the most
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  neo Marxist thing.
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  They just write trash, they write absolute trash, masquerading as fact, and Mother Jones
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  won't let me on anymore to make comments because I used to end my comments with Mother
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  Jones.
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  What is it?
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  Not courageous and definitely not journalism, which is their motto, you know, that's funny.
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  So they wouldn't let me on anymore to comment on their stories because I was always writing
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  rebuttals to the nonsense they were putting out.
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  But they don't like facts and truth, John, they don't like facts and truth.
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  No, they cannot.
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  Remember, it's the narrative.
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  I can tell you why, too, in a second, if you want, why that's important.
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  Look at all of the headlines, if you go to the, I call it the sludge report sometimes.
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  And all of the words are hyperbolic, you know, Trump, tariff land, dangerous for this
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  segment, you know, dangerous, fear, damaging, majority say it's horrible.
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  It's all hyperbolic language.
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  That alone is not good journalism, okay?
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  And I know, I know in journalism, the model used to be if it bleeds, it leads.
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  I got that.
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  But they're pumping that in there and it's to pump fear, fear, fear, fear, and for the
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  true believers in the echo chamber, it's working, you know, for the believers in the echo
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  chamber.
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  Yes, it is.
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  So Biden had 60% positive coverage.
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  Just let me go through this and get your response to this, John Leffler.
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  Four years ago, when the administration, Biden administration, they pushed through a massive
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  spending bill that was blamed for triggering the worst inflation since the 70s.
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  Network coverage carried no warnings like they're doing on the tariffs today or whatever.
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  They're studied by media research center found that, you know, you have to put journalists
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  in air quotes.
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  Journalists gave an 86% positive coverage to Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID spending bill.
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  And how do you explain that when we saw the destruction of that bill and how we couldn't
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  afford it, but they spent it anyway?
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  So how do you explain that I couldn't believe when I read that it was 86% positive on
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  that spending bill.
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  Does that mean they're all socialists or what?
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  Well, you're asking personally, or what do I call perfectly rational questions and I'm
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  not going to stand for it.
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  You know, the whole thing because again, what is the goal of the reporting, the goal of
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  the reporting is narrative and achieving certain outcomes.
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  That's what's important.
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  And everything will be geared to that.
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  Look, we went through four years of President Biden's presidency and they wouldn't admit
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  that mentally he was not competent.
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  If you look at the executive orders, it even seems like they've all been signed by a machine.
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  Yes.
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  They're all absolutely identical and they go, oh, wait a minute.
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  Well, just like under the term of Woodrow Wilson after his stroke, who's really running
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  the White House, you know, at this point?
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  Well, that's why they ignore that.
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  Remember, say everything that's good, downplay everything that's bad, if somebody on the
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  left does it, they're still in the mode that we should be into social justice and to
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  do that.
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  We have to tax and spend, tax and spend.
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  And it's defending this giant bloated government, which if you remember, 30 years ago, the
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  Grace Commission that was an independent study that studied the whole government, J. Peter
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  Grace paid for it himself and it came out and said, we could slash 50% of all government
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  positions and we wouldn't know the difference.
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  There's so much corruption and nonsense and entrenched people and people hiding out, not
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  to mention spending on social programs like people who have been collecting social security
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  for 120 years, I mean, to that type of stuff, you know, and all this nonsense.
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  And so it had to come in, but that's why it's there.
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  They're not going to say anything bad.
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  They're not going to admit it was a failure.
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  And that's why we can't get to the bottom of any issue, David.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, if we could sit there and really look at everything go, okay, this works, that
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  doesn't work.
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  Look at what just happened in Spain this week.
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  Now, Spain and Portugal, they had a power outage that shut down the entire two countries
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  on the Iberian Peninsula.
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  What?
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  Okay.
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  Now, how did this happen?
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  All right.
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  We don't know yet, but one of the real problems is the involvement of renewable energy
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  sources, wind and solar.
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  The Germans actually have a word for it when there's no wind and solar, you know?
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  So Europe has been pursuing a very, very foolish net zero policy with no way to back it up.
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  What's the big gorilla in the room with climate change?
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  Let's throw out every other argument we've got.
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  Just get rid of it.
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  There's one one argument, one only.
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  You have no new energies that can carry the load.
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  Period.
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  Okay.
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  End of story.
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  Let's stop all this.
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  Let's stop the nonsense until you get viable alternatives and what are our options?
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  Natural gas, oil, coal, nuclear, hydro.
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  As a backup, because they're not constant, wind and solar.
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  They can add to the grid, but they can't be there all the time.
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  That's it.
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  Now, maybe I've missed some new technologies in there, but until you get a big technology
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  that can actually supply steady constant voltage all the time, and that's what seems to
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  have happened.
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  Is that the grid in Spain and Portugal began to have these oscillations, voltage oscillations,
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  and I don't always voltage your frequency.
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  I haven't been able to read enough stories yet to find out why.
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  The real issues are that our power grids are in trouble.
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  That's what we need to deal with.
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  Our power grids are exposed to an electromagnetic pulse, and they need to be defended from
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  that.
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  It's a one-time capital investment by the long-distance power companies, and it has to
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  be done for our safety and security.
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  The real issues are over here.
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  The media and the politicians are fighting over here.
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  That's why we're in trouble.
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  We can't get to the real things that anybody who tries to get shouted at, which is exactly
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  what you just said.
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  Just the hypocrisy of the left, the Democrats, the Hollywood elites flying around the country
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  and their jets, and they're saying, yeah, climate change, whatever, it's just astounding.
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  But John, I've asked a lot of people this since Doge took over and is doing some amazing
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  work.
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  97% negative coverage on the Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk.
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  Let's talk about from their viewpoint, the left.
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  Are they really opposed to getting rid of waste, fraud, corruption, abuse, our tax dollars
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  going to other countries for things that Americans would not approve of?
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  The left is so against Doge and Trump and Musk.
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  How do you explain that?
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  Well, look at the number of people in government bureaucracies that are democratic rather than
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  republican.
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  I think you'll find the overwhelming deep state is mostly on the left side of the slate
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  and their jobs depend upon this whole thing.
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  Listen, it's a combination of economics and ideology and between the two of them, are they
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  opposed to getting things under control?
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  Well, if it stops the agenda, yeah.
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  This is what you need to understand.
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  Is that the war over government reform is to try to get the government to be responsible
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  again to the people rather than tied up in its own self and it's sort of existing as
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  this 20 square-while patch of land surrounded by reality, but it's going and sucking all
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  this money out of the electorate to try to pay for it.
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  We can't do it anymore.
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  We're out.
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  As I say to people, when they say, well, Trump, yes, and Trump that, I said, well, what
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  did you expect it to look like when we get close to $40 trillion in debt?
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  Did you really think that there wouldn't be chaos and disaster?
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  And they've never thought about this and I like to point to different people in an audience
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  and say, okay, you over there, you owe $100,000 to the government.
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  You over here, you owe $100,000 or just some of my relatives to both the man and woman.
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  You owe $100,000, you owe $100,000 and if you don't pay it, that $100,000 goes to your
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  kids and they will pay it in the form of decreased livelihood, decreased standard of living,
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  decreased anything that they have in their lives.
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  We're seeing that right now.
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  Do millennials think they're ever going to buy a house?
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  I mean, not millennials, but Gen Z's.
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  No, they go, we can't do that.
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  What's wrong?
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  What happened?
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  Yeah.
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  It's all these things.
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  So, John, we've only got two minutes left and it flew by with you as I knew it would.
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  Let's talk about immigration.
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  One of the things that I believe President Trump was elected to do was to take care of
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  the southern border and cut down on a legal immigration and everything from drugs to human
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  trafficking to all the problems and issues, gangs.
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  So, border crossings are down more than 94%.
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  Some of them have it up to 99%, illegal border crossings.
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  Immigration was given 93% negative coverage by the media in America.
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  This is a huge issue yet.
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  He was elected in part to do this.
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  You're closing thoughts and you only, we've got a minute left, unfortunately, but these
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  are huge issues.
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  We can't solve all the problems in one podcast, but you're closing thoughts on maybe to
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  encourage believers to be discerning and share the truth with as many people as they can.
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  Yeah, there are two factors to the media.
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  I do believe in the immigration issue.
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  I do believe in upholding the laws of the country.
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  That's important.
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  We have them come in illegal to the country and then demand their rights when they're
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  here.
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  This doesn't make any sense.
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  The flip side is our system is hopelessly broken and I've been working very closely with
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  bringing persecuted Christians into the country legally, not illegally, and to just bring
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  one family in, you could pay upwards of $35,000 and so far we've gone through 600 pages
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  of paperwork.
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  It's just unbelievable what you have to do.
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  We have extended family members who are just even trying to get legal residency because
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  they're part of our family legally and it's broken and something has to happen there.
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  That's a multi-complex issue.
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  Very, very much so.
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  John Leffler, thank you for your time and expertise.
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  Again, brother, we'll talk to you hopefully in a couple months and get John more regular
• 27:33
  than what do you say?
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  Would be good.
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  God bless.
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  God bless you.
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  All right, guys, again, check out the coverage over at immediateresearchcenteramrc.org.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.