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Bengals Booth Podcast: Get Back Up · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The we lose our way, we
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Speaker 1: get back up again. It's never too late to get
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Speaker 1: back up again. Addition, as the Bengals look to rebound
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Speaker 1: from their first lopsided loss of the season as they
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Speaker 1: face the three and two Colts on Sunday in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: Coming up, Dave Lapham joins me to discuss Joe Burrow,
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Speaker 1: a j Greene DJ reader, and the latest Bengals news.
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Speaker 1: This week's one on one player interview is with the
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Speaker 1: highest graded safety in the NFL according to Pro Football Focus,
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Speaker 1: Jesse Bates and at Our Know the Faust segment, Mike Wells,
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Speaker 1: who covers the Colts for ESPN, makes a prediction of
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Speaker 1: sorts that is bound to annoy Bengals fans. The Bengals
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Speaker 1: Booth Podcast is presented by bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the
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Speaker 1: game and here's a quick reminder that you can have
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Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since Archie Manning
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Speaker 1: sending encouraging texts to Joe Burrow on a weekly basis.
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Speaker 1: Burrow shared that nugget with reporters this week. Apparently, Joe
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Speaker 1: struck up a friendship with the legendary quarterback and father
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Speaker 1: of Peyton and Eli when he attended the Manning Passing
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Speaker 1: Academy in college. In this week, after Burrow had the
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Speaker 1: worst game of his young career against Baltimore, Archie texted him,
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Speaker 1: told Joe to keep his head up and shared that
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Speaker 1: in Eli's rookie year, he had a game with a
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Speaker 1: zero passer rating against Baltimore. I looked it up and
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Speaker 1: Archie wasn't exaggerating. In Eli's fourth NFL start, he went
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Speaker 1: four for eighteen with twenty seven yards, no touchdowns, two interceptions,
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Speaker 1: and a zero passer rating in a thirty seven to
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Speaker 1: fourteen loss to the Ravens. In other words, it happens
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Speaker 1: to the best of them, especially as rookies. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: Archie Matting for the reminder. Now time to bring in
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Speaker 1: my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham. Lab It's Wednesday, and I
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Speaker 1: think Joe Burrow just got hit again by a blitzing
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Speaker 1: Baltimore Raven. Baltimore had seven sacks in that game. Burrow
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Speaker 1: leads the NFL with twenty two through five games. I
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Speaker 1: want to start with your specialty offensive line play. How
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Speaker 1: much of that performance, that rough performance for Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: was on the old line. Part of it, you know,
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Speaker 1: good part of it. But when you're looking at what
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Speaker 1: happened in that football game, which was a total collapse
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Speaker 1: against the Blitz, everybody suits dirty offensive line, quarterback, you know,
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Speaker 1: holding the football too long, trying to make too much happen,
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Speaker 1: receivers not getting any separation, backs and tight ends not
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Speaker 1: doing a good enough job when they were assigned. You know,
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Speaker 1: people in Blitz pickup. But the the disconcerting thing to
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Speaker 1: me is when you know it's a simple inside linebacker
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Speaker 1: five yards off the line of scrimmage and he's a
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Speaker 1: free runner because of an assignment error. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: physical things one thing, but the mental part of it
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Speaker 1: at this stage, that's that's that's troubling to me, you know,
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Speaker 1: And all the way back to peewee football, basically you're
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Speaker 1: always taught block from the inside out, protect quarterbacks from
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Speaker 1: the inside out. The shortest distance to the quarterback is
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Speaker 1: right up the gut. Make him come off the edge.
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Speaker 1: You know, and we'll take our chances. Then at that point,
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Speaker 1: if there's a free runner there a lot of times
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Speaker 1: it's on the quarterback. He has to make them missing
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Speaker 1: and create an extent or get the ball out before
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Speaker 1: the guy gets there. So to have those those kind
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Speaker 1: of mental errors and simple, simple blitzes, that's not good.
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Speaker 1: That's not good at all. The NFL keeps quarterback hits
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Speaker 1: as a statistic. I'm not sure it's perfectly accurate. When
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Speaker 1: I go back and look, it might be off by
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Speaker 1: one or two. But here's what the NFL says for
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Speaker 1: the first five games of the Joe Burrow era, hit
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Speaker 1: six times in Week one, seven in Week two, eighteen
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Speaker 1: in Week three, five, and week four fifteen in week five.
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Speaker 1: That adds up to fifty one hits. That's an average
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Speaker 1: of about ten hits per game. It's a cautionary tale,
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Speaker 1: particularly as the Bengals get ready to take on the
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, because we all remember what happened with Andrew
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Speaker 1: Luck a year ago. He retired at the age of
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Speaker 1: twenty nine. He still had sixty million dollars coming and
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Speaker 1: yet he walked away. And here's why. Torn cartilage and
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Speaker 1: two ribs, a partially torn abdomen, a lacerated kidney, at
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Speaker 1: least one concussion, a torn labram in his throwing shoulder,
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Speaker 1: and calf and ankle injuries. Earlier today, Colt's head coach
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Speaker 1: Frank Reich was asked about that difficult balance that you
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Speaker 1: go through as a head coach when you have a
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Speaker 1: young quarterback who has the ability to extend plays and
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Speaker 1: make people miss and obviously has a lot of talent,
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Speaker 1: but you're trying to protect that guy as well. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Mark's win James, and you know you get behind, you know,
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Speaker 1: you get behind in the game or the guy that
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Speaker 1: you drafted is an elite pest and that's why he
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Speaker 1: was drafting you. That's why he's your quarterback, and that's
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Speaker 1: what he's good at doing so and part and part
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Speaker 1: of developing is you gotta take your lumps um. But then,
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Speaker 1: as you say, there is a fine balance, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know you're going to get hit and so that's
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Speaker 1: that's just a week by week coaching decision. You know,
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Speaker 1: play by play that you got to you gotta weigh
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Speaker 1: how it's going in game, and there is I think
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Speaker 1: there are times where you pull back a little bit
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Speaker 1: and protect the guy. Um. But then there's other times
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Speaker 1: where you know, you just gotta gotta take your lumps
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Speaker 1: and you gotta go, you gotta work through it. It
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Speaker 1: being around Andrew Luck at all towards the end there
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Speaker 1: change your view of that and the idea of taking
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Speaker 1: their lumps and things like that. We place a very
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Speaker 1: high priority. I'm sure that angles due too, but on
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Speaker 1: protecting the quarterback. And you know that's that involves everybody.
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Speaker 1: That's not just not just the quarterbacks, not just the
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Speaker 1: offensive lines, the whole offensive units and coaching staff, includes
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Speaker 1: the play caller, it includes everything, and so it takes
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Speaker 1: the total commitment to it. And then it opously the
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks has to perform and get the ball out and
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Speaker 1: know the right protection calls. Um. That's all part of
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Speaker 1: the equation of learning and grow. When Andrew Luck shocked
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Speaker 1: the football world with his retirement announcement last year, he
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Speaker 1: cited the soul crushing cycle of injury and rehab and
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Speaker 1: here was the quote. The only way I see out
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Speaker 1: is to no longer play football. It has taken my
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Speaker 1: joy of this game away. Now. Obviously Joe Burrows nowhere
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Speaker 1: close to that. Hopefully it'll never come to that. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting it will, but that's what you got
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Speaker 1: to try to prevent. Oh, there's no doubt. And when
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Speaker 1: you think about it, Andrew Luck bigger, stronger, faster, six
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Speaker 1: four two forty and you know, and can run better
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Speaker 1: than Joe. So you got you got you know, mega
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Speaker 1: QB at the quarterback position instead of Megatron Megatron QB
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Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, he's he's a robot QB. He's
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Speaker 1: exactly what you would want physically, yet he sustained all
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Speaker 1: these injuries. And that's what's amazing to me right now
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Speaker 1: is it's in the early stages, but Joe Burrows tracking
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Speaker 1: for well over seventy sacks on one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: plus hits. Man, that's not sustainable. And right now, when
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Speaker 1: I watch him sometimes it's like Gumby. He is so flexible.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like he has no bones. He's all cartilage.
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Speaker 1: His whole body's cartilage. You know, he just kind of
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Speaker 1: like rolls with the punches. Andrew Luck was, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of a thick, strong dude, and man, when you
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Speaker 1: get hit, there's not a whole lot of give their flexibility.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe Joe's built a little bit better
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Speaker 1: to take the abuse and the punishment. But nobody can
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Speaker 1: sustain taking the abuse and punishment that he's taken right now.
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Speaker 1: So and to have a guy who love the game
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Speaker 1: of football like Andrew Luck, I mean loves the game
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Speaker 1: of football. I mean his dad football quarterback, ran a league,
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Speaker 1: you know, in charge of the NFL Europe. Everything he
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Speaker 1: grew up around the game. He is a football savant.
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Speaker 1: For him to say, can't do it, man, that cycle
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Speaker 1: getting hurt, rehabbing, getting hurt and rehab it all the time,
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Speaker 1: it's just taken away, you know, every every other good
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Speaker 1: part of life's that's a bad way to live in.
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Speaker 1: He's a brilliant guy as well, so he knows you
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Speaker 1: could do something else, you know, It's not like football
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Speaker 1: is the only thing that he can do. Joe Burrows
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Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, Joe's a smart guy, but
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Speaker 1: he absolutely loves football. And like you said, it's far
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Speaker 1: from you know, the Andrew Luck situation. But man, you
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Speaker 1: don't want to do anything to even get him in
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Speaker 1: the same neighborhood as what Andrew Luck was thinking about.
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Speaker 1: And on the opposite side of the field. This week,
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Speaker 1: you have thirty eight year old Philip Rivers, who might
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Speaker 1: be probably is the least mobile quarterback in professional football,
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Speaker 1: and yet he has only been sacked four times this year,
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Speaker 1: only been sacked four times, throwing five interceptions, because I
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Speaker 1: think he's a lot of times he tries to get
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Speaker 1: the ball out really quickly, too quick. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: sometimes maybe he's you know, he's trying to protect not
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Speaker 1: trying to protect his offensive line from numbers, but he knows,
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Speaker 1: I want to get it out so I can prevent
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Speaker 1: getting blown up totally. You know, I might, I might
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Speaker 1: take a glancing blow or a pull up shot or
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Speaker 1: something like that. Sometimes it's too quick, Sometimes it's way
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Speaker 1: too long. Like the check down that he threw for
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Speaker 1: the pick six against the Browns. He was in the
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Speaker 1: pocket forever, but the safety that he threw, h he
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Speaker 1: could have just climbed the pocket. And he doesn't like,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't like moving off his spot. And that's going
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Speaker 1: to be a key in this football game if the
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Speaker 1: Bengals can somehow get him off his spot and you know,
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Speaker 1: make him throw the ball sooner than he wants to. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Five interceptions, four touchdown passes. That's not that's not your
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Speaker 1: typical Philip Rivers ratio. I mean back when he was
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Speaker 1: he was really getting it done in uh in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: Thirty two touchdowns, twelve picks. You know, that's that's more
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Speaker 1: like the Philip Rivers that people want to think about.
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Speaker 1: Last week, before his gruesome ankle injury, Dak Prescott caught
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Speaker 1: a touchdown pass, meaning he has one more TD catch
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Speaker 1: this year than AJ Green. A rough start to the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty season hit an unimaginable low for aj in
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Speaker 1: Baltimore last week, where he looked loss and the only
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Speaker 1: pass throwing his way, and then spent the second half
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Speaker 1: of the game on the bench voicing his frustration, apparently
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Speaker 1: with a reported hamstring injury. The day after the game,
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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was asked five questions in a news conference
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Speaker 1: about the seven time pro bowler. I have edited those
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Speaker 1: questions and Zach's answers together. Is it AJ Green's left hamstring,
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Speaker 1: the same one he aggravated training camp? Yeah, it's the
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Speaker 1: same string. Zach, Did you talk to Ajo about maybe
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Speaker 1: a sense of frustration more than just the injury that
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Speaker 1: heast mentioned? Anything to you today about that? If you
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Speaker 1: had a conversation with him, I mean I'll keep all
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Speaker 1: those conversations private, but we talked to our players every week,
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Speaker 1: and I feel really good about where everything's at. That
11:04
Speaker 1: you said you feel good about the conversations that you
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Speaker 1: have with your players. Does that include Aj after after yesterday? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I mean it looked like we haven't talked to him yet.
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Speaker 1: It looked like he was very frustrated with his role
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Speaker 1: and then his rotation. I mean is did you did
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Speaker 1: you see the video? Do you have any comments on
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Speaker 1: what we said on the sideline? No comments? Is that
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Speaker 1: when you look at AJ's numbers off catapult during practice? Um,
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Speaker 1: do you has there been any inclination that he hasn't
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Speaker 1: been able to go full go during games? When you
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Speaker 1: look at the numbers that you've been seeing that Joey's
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Speaker 1: looking at off catapult? I know, comment several one word answers.
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Speaker 1: Not the typical way that Zach Taylor address his questions
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Speaker 1: from the media, particularly about Aj Green. Yeah, very very
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Speaker 1: ei Yeah, very effusive, usual normally with Aja, and very
11:55
Speaker 1: tertius A good word. So when you heard that, what
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Speaker 1: was your reaction? Uh? Not happy, you know, obviously frustrated.
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Speaker 1: So there was some sort of frustration that went on
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Speaker 1: in that football game, and Zach decided to keep it
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Speaker 1: all in the house, which is the norm. But I
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Speaker 1: you know two things on that play. I don't think
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Speaker 1: AJ saw the football. I don't think he did, but
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Speaker 1: he did see the interception and when he saw the interception,
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Speaker 1: he ran away from contact. And you just hate to see,
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Speaker 1: you know, that, that type of situation. So whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: that's bothering AJ if he feels like, if he's trying
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Speaker 1: to play football not to get hurt. Can't play that way.
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Speaker 1: You just can't play fearful of injury and trying to
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Speaker 1: avoid or prevent injury while you're playing the game. It's impossible.
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Speaker 1: You just have to go play as hard as you can.
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Speaker 1: As soon as you're not playing at that level, that's
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Speaker 1: when you do get hurt. So it's an interesting dynamic
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Speaker 1: that's going on. I mean, I don't, I don't. Obviously
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Speaker 1: we don't have the facts, all the facts that are
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Speaker 1: taking place. Hard to draw conclusions. But the eye in
13:02
Speaker 1: the sky don't lie, and what you're seeing on tape
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Speaker 1: is not Aj Green. It's just not. Zach Taylor said
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday that AJ would not practice on Wednesday, but
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Speaker 1: made it sound like that's not uncommon for him at
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Speaker 1: this stage of his career. He said he would practice
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Speaker 1: on Thursday and that he thought he would be okay.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be very interesting to see what happens
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. They've got John Ross waiting in the wings.
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Speaker 1: He's been a healthy scratch. Well he was ill last week,
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Speaker 1: but probably would have been a healthy scratch anyway. Is
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Speaker 1: this the week that that aj takes a seat if
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Speaker 1: his hamstring is tender at all, and John Ross gets
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Speaker 1: another shot potentially, you know, if if his hamstring is
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Speaker 1: causing issues, there's a there's a chance that could be
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Speaker 1: the case. And you know John Ross obviously one thing
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Speaker 1: he can do is run and stretch a field. Um,
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Speaker 1: Now the question is will he catch the football? You know,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the inconsistency in his game. It's not his
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Speaker 1: speed's not insistent. He's fast every time he runs, but
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Speaker 1: catching the football on a high percentage basis has been
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Speaker 1: where he's had his issues. So yeah, it's very interesting.
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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the two position groups they're
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Speaker 1: going into the season. Stars you know, a star on
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Speaker 1: the forehead of this position. Defensive line decimated by injury
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. What's going on there. It's a different it's
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Speaker 1: a different group, a different animal. You know, John Ross
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Speaker 1: hasn't panned out. Aj hasn't panned out. Now it's those
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Speaker 1: the strengths of the football team anymore. Those two position
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Speaker 1: groups makes you scratch your head and wonder. I've never
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Speaker 1: seen ull. Last year it was left tackle, left tackle.
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Speaker 1: They played five of them, which is crazy for one spot,
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Speaker 1: one position, defensive tackle. It's like seven count and counting
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Speaker 1: this year after only five football games. Come on, man,
14:54
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Going back. Prior to training camp, the defensive
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Speaker 1: lineman began dropping for the Cincinnati Bengals. Ryan Glasgow failed
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Speaker 1: as physical, Josh Tupo opted out due to coronavirus. Then,
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Speaker 1: once training camp began, Ronelle Wren suffered a season ending
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Speaker 1: quadriceps injury. Gino Atkins got hurt. Thankful he's back from
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Speaker 1: his shoulder injury. Mike Daniels is on the injured list
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Speaker 1: now with an elbow injury, and now most recently, DJ Reader,
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Speaker 1: the great defensive tackle signed as a free agent this offseason.
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Speaker 1: We'll miss the rest of the year with a quad injury.
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Speaker 1: Here's his teammate, Christian Covington, you know, he's a heart
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Speaker 1: and sold his defensive line heart and sold his defense.
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Speaker 1: Really one of the key guys on this team, so
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Speaker 1: you know, the loser guy like him is it's hard.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was able to talk to him after
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Speaker 1: the game, obviously talked to him today. You know, he's
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Speaker 1: feeling good, he's optimistic. He you know, he has faith
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Speaker 1: and you know, this defense, this team, so we gotta just, uh,
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Speaker 1: we gotta pick it up now, we gotta just uh,
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Speaker 1: we gotta we have to feel you know, filling the
15:53
Speaker 1: spot that you know that he played with the team,
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Speaker 1: and uh what we can honestly, I mean, can you
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Speaker 1: quantify how big of a loss is, especially given the
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Speaker 1: already lack of bodies on that line. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: a big loss. M I can't lie. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, you know, this is this is the NFL.
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Speaker 1: You know, we play a violin sport. This is you know,
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Speaker 1: this is a hard league to be able to compete
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Speaker 1: with and nobody ever is gonna be one hundred percent healthy.
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Speaker 1: So it's it's that old time you know, that old
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Speaker 1: time saying that goes with being in this league. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's the next man up mentality. So it's a it's
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact right now. It's it is what
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Speaker 1: it is. We pray for this brother, we love him,
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Speaker 1: We send our best to him. We know he's gonna
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Speaker 1: be great. He's gonna come back healthier, stronger than ever.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we have a
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Speaker 1: job to do right now, and that's to be able
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Speaker 1: to pick it up and you know, keep battling, keep going.
16:35
Speaker 1: This one hurts. The Bengals made DJ Reader the highest
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Speaker 1: paid nose tackle in the NFL when they signed him
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Speaker 1: in the offseason to a four year, fifty three million
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Speaker 1: dollar deal. Obviously, a big signing bonus was part of that.
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Speaker 1: He's making twenty two point two five million dollars this year.
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Speaker 1: Done after five games. Sad. You know, um lose the secondary,
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Speaker 1: he lose the defensive tackle. You lose two defensive tackles.
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Speaker 1: Your big signings in free agency, three multimillion dollar deals,
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Speaker 1: not participating at this point in time. Wren and Reader
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Speaker 1: same injury tendon that attaches quad to the knee. They have,
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Speaker 1: they have surgery exactly the same injury. It's crazy, just
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Speaker 1: absolutely crazy, and uh, it's mind boggling when you when
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Speaker 1: you think about it again, what would have been the
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Speaker 1: strength position wise, position group wise, and the team is decimated.
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Speaker 1: It's a shell of itself to nobody's fault other than injury,
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Speaker 1: which you can't control, and it's just eating that position
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Speaker 1: group alive. DJ Reader large man six three three twenty
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Speaker 1: five pounds, depending on whether he had his sugary cereal
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Speaker 1: that morning, but in any case, you know, the Bengals
17:53
Speaker 1: clearly went out and got him because they've been so
17:56
Speaker 1: bad at stopping the run over the past couple of years.
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Speaker 1: And while that's been up and down so far this year,
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Speaker 1: that wasn't his fault. He's doing his job in that area.
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Speaker 1: He was giving it all he's got. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: is a he's a you know, one hundred percent effort guy.
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that, you know, and that that
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Speaker 1: that's the thing is the guys that you paid millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars to, you know, and Carlos is on a
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Speaker 1: third extension or a third contract of his career. Guys
18:24
Speaker 1: that you're paying big money to, you know, like Reader,
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Speaker 1: like Carlos, like you know Daniels. Now Reader and Daniels
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Speaker 1: are down due to injury. But those are the guys
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Speaker 1: that the organization. If I'm spending that kind of money,
18:37
Speaker 1: I'm saying, give it, give me something, give it to me.
18:41
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at Covington. I traded for Covington and
18:44
Speaker 1: you know he's he's giving me everything he's got. Yeah,
18:47
Speaker 1: you can't ask for anything more from it. But some
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Speaker 1: of these guys that you're paying the big money to,
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Speaker 1: Carlos Agent, I mean, it's an organization. You have to
18:54
Speaker 1: think this man, start giving me something, Start giving me
18:56
Speaker 1: some sort of return on the investment. You know, that's
18:59
Speaker 1: only fair. And one of those guys is Geno Atkins.
19:02
Speaker 1: They worked him back in as a pass rush here
19:04
Speaker 1: last week, but the role is going to have to
19:06
Speaker 1: increase with DJ Reader out. It is. He probably played
19:09
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the snaps and he came out
19:12
Speaker 1: of it well, which is good. But yeah, you need
19:16
Speaker 1: needs somebody to really push the inside of the pocket
19:19
Speaker 1: and pass rush and then and then play the run
19:21
Speaker 1: stuff the run. Gino can do that. And uh, you know,
19:24
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard looked to me like he dislocated his elbow.
19:28
Speaker 1: I think Sam Hubbard's probably on the shelf for multiple weeks.
19:31
Speaker 1: It's it's not just a one week thing with Sam
19:33
Speaker 1: Hubbard and I've dislocated my elbow. I know what that feels.
19:37
Speaker 1: Oh my god, not good, good, not good, not good
19:41
Speaker 1: at all. All right, I get real quick. The trainer
19:44
Speaker 1: came out, Mark Pollins came out, and the referee he
19:49
Speaker 1: sees that my arms going the wrong way. It just
19:51
Speaker 1: was going the wrong way. Mike McCoy, big defense attack
19:54
Speaker 1: Green Bay just rolls on it and cut blocking me
19:57
Speaker 1: and it keeps out. I'm so the referee, Tuney says,
20:02
Speaker 1: you know, stay honest. I'm not going anywhere. The trainer
20:04
Speaker 1: comes out. He looks, oh god, stick cover what you
20:08
Speaker 1: want to hear from the trainer. I'm like, Marv, give
20:10
Speaker 1: me a doctor, for God's sake. Doctor grabs my thumb
20:12
Speaker 1: and Pinky tries to snap it back into place. Doesn't
20:15
Speaker 1: fall in you guys, give me one one more shot.
20:18
Speaker 1: That's it. Second time went into place and they tape
20:22
Speaker 1: it up sixty degree angle. Tiger looks at me Dan
20:24
Speaker 1: and goes, you're playing, aren't you? I said, I hadn't
20:26
Speaker 1: really thought about that. I can't get in the right
20:27
Speaker 1: hand of stance. He goes, put your left hand down,
20:29
Speaker 1: then sends me back in the game. Wow, I know
20:33
Speaker 1: it's a different game. Different again. The Bengals had a
20:36
Speaker 1: new guy at practice on Wednesday, defensive lineman Xavier Williams.
20:40
Speaker 1: He's a six year VET and he won a Super
20:42
Speaker 1: Bowl ring last year as a member of the Kansas
20:45
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. He's only played in one game so far
20:47
Speaker 1: this year. That was as a member of the Patriots.
20:51
Speaker 1: And Xavier Williams was picked up earlier this week due
20:54
Speaker 1: to all the injuries the Bengals have suffered on their
20:56
Speaker 1: defensive line. So he's practicing on Wednesday, he's going to
21:00
Speaker 1: be playing on Sunday. And earlier this week, defensive coordinator
21:04
Speaker 1: lou An A. Rumo remembered an incidant, an incident or
21:08
Speaker 1: an instance, I should say from his days as a
21:10
Speaker 1: defensive backs coach with the Miami Dolphins, where the Dolphins
21:15
Speaker 1: picked up a cornerback during the week late in the
21:18
Speaker 1: year and had to throw him out there we claim him.
21:22
Speaker 1: Like week fourteen, the GM comes to my office as
21:25
Speaker 1: all right, this guy's starting this week. I said, okay, great,
21:28
Speaker 1: no problem. He doesn't. He doesn't for whatever reason, missed
21:34
Speaker 1: the flight, get screwed up on Tuesday. The first time
21:37
Speaker 1: I meet the guy is Wednesday, during period six of practice,
21:42
Speaker 1: I shake his hand, I say get in the huddle,
21:44
Speaker 1: and I stood behind him and he played sixty five
21:46
Speaker 1: plays in the game on Sunday. So if a corner
21:49
Speaker 1: can do it, I got it's got to get in
21:51
Speaker 1: an A or a B gap. He can do it too.
21:53
Speaker 1: We'll get him. We'll get him. We'll get him ready
21:57
Speaker 1: taking on the double team and that does and change
22:00
Speaker 1: no matter where you're at. So you know, we'll make
22:02
Speaker 1: sure we uh and I'm oversimplified and obviously, but we'll
22:06
Speaker 1: make shore when he's in the game that we're doing
22:08
Speaker 1: things that he can do. How tough will that be
22:11
Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle? I think I don't think it'll
22:14
Speaker 1: be that tough for him. I really don't, you know.
22:16
Speaker 1: I do think, like you know, Luke said, you don't
22:18
Speaker 1: want to oversimplify it, but I mean, honestly, you're you
22:21
Speaker 1: are hitting gaps or two gaping, are do whatever whatever's
22:24
Speaker 1: whatever's asked. And he's obviously had exposure to Spagnolo, you know,
22:29
Speaker 1: with Kansas City, Belichick with New England Patriots. I mean,
22:32
Speaker 1: he brings some unique experiences with him. So, um, I
22:36
Speaker 1: think I think he's going to be fine. I don't think.
22:39
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll see him hitting wrong gaps. Are
22:43
Speaker 1: you know, making the mental errors. I think with his
22:45
Speaker 1: experience in the league, within with the teams that he's
22:48
Speaker 1: been with, accumulating that experience. Last week, the Baltimore Ravens
22:53
Speaker 1: blitzed on fifty nine percent of Joe burrows drop backs.
22:57
Speaker 1: They like Moore did, they got prep're on forty seven
23:01
Speaker 1: percent of his drop backs. So he was under pressure
23:04
Speaker 1: eighteen times twelve on blitzes during the game, seven sacks
23:09
Speaker 1: and when he was under pressure, Joe Burrow is three
23:11
Speaker 1: for nine for fifteen yards. It was obviously a tough day.
23:14
Speaker 1: It made me ask this question if Bengals defensive coordinator
23:17
Speaker 1: lou Anna Romo, why doesn't everybody blitz like Baltimore does.
23:22
Speaker 1: They do a fantastic job with their their pressure package,
23:26
Speaker 1: and you know, the different multiple looks that you give it.
23:29
Speaker 1: But yes, it is a little bit tay, let's just
23:33
Speaker 1: do that. And well if you don't get home. Sometimes
23:35
Speaker 1: there's some guys running free behind those guys, but they
23:38
Speaker 1: never get to get it off, you know, so that
23:41
Speaker 1: that rush can really cover up for a lot of them,
23:44
Speaker 1: you know. And again not that they make mistakes. I'm
23:46
Speaker 1: not suggesting that. I'm just saying that sometimes if you
23:48
Speaker 1: don't have the same type of guys up front that
23:52
Speaker 1: are getting there, you know, it can be challenging on
23:55
Speaker 1: the back end guys. So if you look at the
23:57
Speaker 1: five games the Bengals have played so far, Joe Burrow
24:01
Speaker 1: has been blitzed on twenty seven percent of the snaps.
24:05
Speaker 1: No blitz seventy three percent of the snaps. Is that
24:09
Speaker 1: blitz percentage are about to go up for everybody, even
24:13
Speaker 1: though that's the way that Baltimore would normally do it. Yeah,
24:16
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to think Eberflus is a great example.
24:20
Speaker 1: He's not a heavy blitz guy. But when you see
24:24
Speaker 1: the level that it got home, the level that affected
24:26
Speaker 1: the play, maybe you say, I do have you know,
24:30
Speaker 1: I have some packages. I had a couple of three
24:32
Speaker 1: packages that I haven't really emphasized all that much. Maybe
24:35
Speaker 1: I introduce him because well, the one thing you don't
24:38
Speaker 1: want to do is say, all right, we're gonna do
24:41
Speaker 1: what Baltimore does and we don't have the personnel that
24:43
Speaker 1: Baltimore does. We're still going to do it Baltimore does.
24:45
Speaker 1: And you have to you have to pretty much as
24:47
Speaker 1: a coach and a coordinator, you know, kind of work
24:50
Speaker 1: your schematic around what you have for people instead of
24:53
Speaker 1: the other way around. You can't say we're doing this
24:55
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm force feeding you in square peg
24:57
Speaker 1: and a round hole and it doesn't work out that way.
25:01
Speaker 1: But there are packages that lend itself to your talent
25:05
Speaker 1: in personnel that you can incorporate. So I wouldn't be
25:09
Speaker 1: surprised if ebra Flus brings those and sees which one
25:13
Speaker 1: are most effective. And that's what Martin Deal did such
25:17
Speaker 1: a great job of. Once they started a once it
25:19
Speaker 1: hit home, they saw it until they were you know,
25:23
Speaker 1: give me some semblance of stopping it, and maybe I'll
25:25
Speaker 1: stop blitzen. You're not stopping at all. I'm going to
25:27
Speaker 1: keep doing it, and that's the way it's going to be.
25:29
Speaker 1: So I do think, and Joe Burrow said it himself.
25:32
Speaker 1: When you're a rookie quarterback, you face a higher blitz
25:35
Speaker 1: percentage with almost every team you face, So I think
25:37
Speaker 1: he's expecting it for sure. According to Pro Football Focus,
25:40
Speaker 1: when Joe Burrow has not been pressured, he's one oh
25:44
Speaker 1: five for one forty four. That's seventy three percent completion percentage,
25:48
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, one pick. Passer rating of ninety seven point nine.
25:52
Speaker 1: Pretty good when he's under pressure. Thirty for sixty three
25:56
Speaker 1: it's under fifty percent, two touchdowns, two picks, passer rating
26:00
Speaker 1: of fifty nine point eight. Now, those numbers are dramatic,
26:06
Speaker 1: but not that unusual. Very few quarterbacks have great statistics
26:10
Speaker 1: when they're under pressure. But based on that, if I'm
26:13
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, I'm trying to apply pressure. Yeah, And
26:17
Speaker 1: I think those Baltimore numbers really affected because it's a
26:20
Speaker 1: fairly small sample size. You know, four or five games
26:23
Speaker 1: into the season. When you have a horrific day like
26:26
Speaker 1: the entire offense did against Baltimore, it can distort those
26:29
Speaker 1: numbers pretty well. And it did. I mean not to
26:32
Speaker 1: say that he has not had his struggles with pressure before,
26:36
Speaker 1: but nothing like what happened last Sunday in Baltimore. The
26:40
Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's
26:44
Speaker 1: light and refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. Now
26:48
Speaker 1: time for this week's one on one player conversation. As
26:51
Speaker 1: Jim Neighbors used to sing before the Indie five hundred,
26:55
Speaker 1: Bengal safety Jesse Bates is about to be back holmag Yeah,
27:01
Speaker 1: in indian Jesse is from Fort Wayne, a couple of
27:08
Speaker 1: hours away from Indianapolis, and he's looking forward to returning
27:11
Speaker 1: to the Hoosier State on Sunday. Jesse, the website Pro
27:15
Speaker 1: Football Focus has you graded as the number one safety
27:18
Speaker 1: in the NFL so far this season, and it's not close.
27:23
Speaker 1: In fact, there's a bigger gap between you and the
27:25
Speaker 1: second rated safety than there is between the first guy
27:28
Speaker 1: and the second guy at any other position. Were you
27:31
Speaker 1: aware of your high grade and how do you feel
27:34
Speaker 1: about the way you've been playing. Yeah, so I'm very aware.
27:37
Speaker 1: I have a group chat with my mom and my sister,
27:39
Speaker 1: my family, and they put everything, whether it's the good
27:43
Speaker 1: the bad, they put it off in there. So yes,
27:46
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of that, and I think I've played
27:49
Speaker 1: very well up until now. I think I had a
27:53
Speaker 1: little fall off, a little humble humbleness game and Week
27:57
Speaker 1: two against the Browns where I missed up a lot
27:59
Speaker 1: of tackles I felt like I could have made. I'm
28:01
Speaker 1: capable of making. But you know, it's only it's only
28:05
Speaker 1: been what five games, I think it is. We have
28:07
Speaker 1: eleven games left and you know that a lot can
28:10
Speaker 1: happen in that eleven week span. So my only focus
28:14
Speaker 1: is it only it only makes me better. It shows
28:17
Speaker 1: me what I'm capable of and what my potential is.
28:20
Speaker 1: And I just want to continue to show that. We're
28:23
Speaker 1: chatting to Jesse Bates. You've broken up seven passes already
28:26
Speaker 1: this season, which suggests that you're playing fast. Is that
28:30
Speaker 1: a product of experience? Do you recognize where the ball
28:33
Speaker 1: is going faster? Yeah, it's just better preparation, you know,
28:37
Speaker 1: expecting what to you know, see on Sundays. I think
28:42
Speaker 1: Rob has done a really good job of doing that
28:44
Speaker 1: the first two years. But it's just me, you know,
28:47
Speaker 1: growing up and being able to you know, hear the
28:50
Speaker 1: same things and see the same things and just see
28:52
Speaker 1: how the quarterback is going through its progression and stuff
28:55
Speaker 1: like that. And I mean it also helps, um, you know,
28:59
Speaker 1: with Joe Borough being here, he doesn't really good job
29:02
Speaker 1: of looking people off in the middle of the field.
29:05
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of work with that. Um.
29:07
Speaker 1: You know, in a short two weeks, two training camp
29:09
Speaker 1: weeks that we had, defensive coordinator lou Ana Romo says
29:13
Speaker 1: that you're tackling has improved this year. How does a
29:16
Speaker 1: guy who's been in the NFL for a couple of
29:18
Speaker 1: years yet better as a tackling The main thing for
29:22
Speaker 1: me was strength, you know, coming in here, I think
29:26
Speaker 1: I was around like one nine two hundred and if
29:29
Speaker 1: my weight would drop as the weeks will go. And
29:32
Speaker 1: I think this offseason I really focused on you know,
29:35
Speaker 1: the quarantine did me very well. That's what I've been
29:37
Speaker 1: telling people. I was able to just stay at home
29:40
Speaker 1: in Fort Wayne, Indiana and train with one of one
29:42
Speaker 1: of my high school trainers that's been training me since
29:44
Speaker 1: high school, and Lawrence Barnett, who did a really good
29:48
Speaker 1: job of having a play set for me and what
29:51
Speaker 1: exactly the goals were this offseason. So I didn't run
29:55
Speaker 1: for the first maybe two months or something like that.
29:58
Speaker 1: I got up to like two fifteen. I was a
29:59
Speaker 1: little bit too heavy, you know. We we we found
30:03
Speaker 1: a really good plan and it worked out. I think
30:05
Speaker 1: that's been the biggest key for me in tackling this year. Jesse,
30:09
Speaker 1: You've got a new tag team partner at safety this year,
30:11
Speaker 1: and Von Bell. He's a couple of years older. He
30:14
Speaker 1: basically has twice as much NFL experience as you do.
30:18
Speaker 1: What impact has he had on you. Like I said,
30:21
Speaker 1: you know, you see my preparation improves throughout the years,
30:25
Speaker 1: and you know, you see, von He's come from a
30:28
Speaker 1: really good football team, a really good organization where I'm
30:32
Speaker 1: sure their preparation was very good. You know, he's seen
30:35
Speaker 1: a lot of good things in his first four five
30:38
Speaker 1: years in the NFL. So, you know, being able to
30:41
Speaker 1: just ask questions, being humble enough, and you know, building
30:44
Speaker 1: that relationship with him where I can ask questions and
30:47
Speaker 1: you know, and prepare the same. Vanna is a little
30:50
Speaker 1: bit more early bird type of guy, but but we
30:53
Speaker 1: still talk while we're at work. For sure. The team
30:57
Speaker 1: lost defensive tackle Dj Reader this week for the rest
31:00
Speaker 1: of the year. He's obviously an outstanding player, but it
31:03
Speaker 1: seems like he had a huge impact as a leader
31:06
Speaker 1: in a very short period of time. Was that the
31:08
Speaker 1: case and if so, how Yeah? Absolutely? DJ got paid
31:13
Speaker 1: a lot of money in the offseason for a reason.
31:16
Speaker 1: He does. He's kind of like me. He doesn't really
31:18
Speaker 1: say much. You know, he's not a very right, right,
31:20
Speaker 1: right guy, but he makes it know him that he's there,
31:25
Speaker 1: and you know, if you turn on the tape, you'll
31:27
Speaker 1: always see DJ making plays. Even if he's not making
31:30
Speaker 1: a tackle, he's always in the right position and knocking
31:34
Speaker 1: the liner screams back. So that'll be a huge blow
31:37
Speaker 1: for us on defense for sure. He faced the Colts
31:40
Speaker 1: this week in thirty eight year old quarterback Philip Rivers
31:43
Speaker 1: sixth dollar time in passing yard, sixth dollar time in
31:46
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, but he does have five interceptions so far
31:49
Speaker 1: this year. How important is it this week to make
31:53
Speaker 1: a play on the ball if and when he makes
31:56
Speaker 1: a mistake, It's very important. I feel like we've we've
32:00
Speaker 1: had a lot of opportunities to get turnovers and we
32:03
Speaker 1: haven't capitalized on it. Even myself, I think some of
32:07
Speaker 1: those PPUs that I've had could be interceptions, and that's
32:11
Speaker 1: something that I'm gonna continue to improve on and we
32:14
Speaker 1: need to improve on as a defense, because that's what
32:16
Speaker 1: this game is all about, the turnover ratio. And you know,
32:19
Speaker 1: the more turnovers we have, our offense has more opportunities
32:22
Speaker 1: to score the ball as well. So, yes, Philip, Philip
32:26
Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer, but yes, hopefully we can
32:29
Speaker 1: get some you know, some interceptions off them. This week,
32:32
Speaker 1: we're chatting with Jesse Bates. Rivers is in his seventeenth year,
32:36
Speaker 1: he's played more than two hundred and thirty games. Is
32:39
Speaker 1: it possible to confuse Philip Rivers at this point? It's
32:43
Speaker 1: gonna be very hard to trick them. But I think
32:46
Speaker 1: one thing you can do that that mess with the
32:49
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are a little older. They don't really move.
32:51
Speaker 1: We're not going to play a Lamar Jackson this week,
32:54
Speaker 1: so you know, being able to hopefully bring some pressures
32:57
Speaker 1: to him, get them off the spot a little bit,
32:59
Speaker 1: well that's up with some of his accuracy. So I'm
33:03
Speaker 1: very excited to go home and playing in uh in
33:05
Speaker 1: the Lucas Oil Stadium for sure. Yeah, it's a homecoming
33:08
Speaker 1: for you. You are from Fort Wayne, that's about two
33:11
Speaker 1: hours north of Indie. How big of a deal is this?
33:15
Speaker 1: It's a it's a huge deal. Um, you know, it's
33:17
Speaker 1: another week obviously, but I think it's a really big deal,
33:21
Speaker 1: you know, going back to my home state, um and
33:24
Speaker 1: playing in that in that stadium. I think the last
33:26
Speaker 1: time I played in it was went the state my
33:29
Speaker 1: sophomore year in high school. Uh, you know, obviously we
33:32
Speaker 1: did the combine there or whatever. But yeah, it's it's uh,
33:35
Speaker 1: it sucks that I can't have all my family at
33:38
Speaker 1: the game, uh, due to the COVID stuff like that.
33:41
Speaker 1: Um So, you know Grandma's will will be at home
33:45
Speaker 1: watching the game for sure, but my mom and other
33:47
Speaker 1: family members will be there for sure. How did that
33:50
Speaker 1: high school game go? Um Man, We're not gonna talk
33:54
Speaker 1: about that. I'm pretty sure we got whooped by I
33:57
Speaker 1: think Lawrence North or whatever it is. They had a
33:59
Speaker 1: lot of talent theories. Hopefully Sunday will go better. Appreciate
34:04
Speaker 1: the time. Congratulations on a great first five games, sir,
34:08
Speaker 1: Thank you. I have another question about Philip Rivers that
34:12
Speaker 1: I didn't ask Jesse Bates. What do you think has
34:15
Speaker 1: been harder for the veteran quarterback learning the Colts offense
34:19
Speaker 1: after sixteen years with the Chargers, or remembering the birthdays
34:24
Speaker 1: of his nine kids. For more on Rivers and the Colts,
34:28
Speaker 1: it's time for Our Know the Faux segment, and this
34:30
Speaker 1: week Mike Wells, who covers the Colts for ESPN, joined
34:34
Speaker 1: Day of Lapham and Me on the Bengals Game Plan Show.
34:38
Speaker 1: This week, the one, three and one Bengals head to
34:40
Speaker 1: Indianapolis to take on the three and two Colts. Time
34:43
Speaker 1: for Our Know the faux segment and to learn more
34:45
Speaker 1: about the Colts. Who welcome in Mike Wells, who covers
34:48
Speaker 1: the team for ESPN in Indianapolis. Mike, I've been reading
34:52
Speaker 1: newspapers and websites about the Colts since the beginning of
34:55
Speaker 1: the week. There have been a lot of questions about
34:58
Speaker 1: whether Philip Rivers should be yanked from the starting lineup.
35:01
Speaker 1: How shaky has Philip Rivers been? Well, First off, anytime
35:06
Speaker 1: I hear a record about a team, an opposing team
35:08
Speaker 1: that says one, three and one, automatically think of hockey
35:12
Speaker 1: or that's how rare of highs are in the NFL.
35:17
Speaker 1: But back back to your question about Philip Rivers, the
35:20
Speaker 1: reality is, I mean, you're talking about a thirty eight
35:22
Speaker 1: year old quarterback who you know, had twenty three turnovers
35:26
Speaker 1: last season and in the coach two losses. He was
35:31
Speaker 1: a big part of that. I mean, he had two
35:32
Speaker 1: interceptions in Week one again Jacksonville. Then he had two
35:35
Speaker 1: interceptions including that pick six and a intentional brownie safety
35:41
Speaker 1: against Cleveland last weekend, responsible for nine points. I wasn't
35:44
Speaker 1: a math major in college, but the coach while I
35:46
Speaker 1: lost by nine points to the Bengals and Rivers were
35:49
Speaker 1: responsible for those nine points. The more Philip Rivers struggles,
35:53
Speaker 1: the questions are going to continue with them if the
35:56
Speaker 1: coach were to go ahead at bench Philip Rivers. You know,
35:59
Speaker 1: after just five weeks in the NFL season, that is
36:02
Speaker 1: a complete sign that they made a bad decision in
36:05
Speaker 1: signing Rivers to that twenty five million dollars contract. Last freak.
36:09
Speaker 1: So Mike is the offensive line working in concert with
36:13
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers? Is he trying to get rid of the
36:15
Speaker 1: ball too quickly? I mean he's got five interceptions in
36:19
Speaker 1: the offensive line, you know, or I should say the
36:22
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts only giving up five sacks and he's got
36:25
Speaker 1: five interceptions. Is he trying to protect them getting the
36:28
Speaker 1: ball too quickly? Sometimes it's just a matter of you know,
36:32
Speaker 1: Rivers making bad decisions. I mean where he's locked in
36:35
Speaker 1: on the receiver and got rid of the ball. I
36:37
Speaker 1: mean last week and you play you guys know Miles
36:40
Speaker 1: Garrett very well from AFC North, I mean wondered premier
36:42
Speaker 1: pass rushers and the Colts did not have started an attack.
36:45
Speaker 1: We had six sons though they Rivers had to get
36:47
Speaker 1: rid of the football last week, as Garrett was a carrot,
36:50
Speaker 1: a terror out there in the football field. But Rivers
36:53
Speaker 1: can't he That's been one of his flaws, and what's
36:56
Speaker 1: been an incredible sixteen plus year career is that he
36:59
Speaker 1: makes some bad decisions with the football. But when you're
37:02
Speaker 1: a team like the Colts that has deal with so
37:04
Speaker 1: many injuries and you have to make smart decisions because
37:08
Speaker 1: you have to give you your football team a chance
37:10
Speaker 1: to score as many times as possible. But when Rivers
37:14
Speaker 1: is doing it, it's just not a good thing. And
37:16
Speaker 1: the more interceptions meaning five interceptions right now, compare they're
37:19
Speaker 1: just four touchdowns that Rivers continue to pile up. The
37:22
Speaker 1: more the heat and the pressure is going to be
37:24
Speaker 1: on Rivers and the Colts on Chammers. Longer can he
37:27
Speaker 1: you remain the turning quarterback. We're talking to Mike Wels,
37:30
Speaker 1: who covers the Colts for ESPN. You mentioned the left
37:32
Speaker 1: tackle Anthony Costanzo didn't play last week. I guess it's
37:36
Speaker 1: a rib injury for him. Darius Leonard, arguably one of
37:39
Speaker 1: the top two or three linebackers in the NFL, didn't
37:42
Speaker 1: play last week because of a groin injury. The head coach,
37:45
Speaker 1: Frank Reich, has been a little bit evasive so far
37:48
Speaker 1: about whether they'll be back this week. But what do
37:50
Speaker 1: you think do you have a best guess on those
37:52
Speaker 1: two guys? See Bagels fans are gonna come after me.
37:55
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna try to come after me when
37:58
Speaker 1: I give this answer. Is nothing personal Cincinnati fans. I
38:01
Speaker 1: would say that's about any team that has a losing
38:04
Speaker 1: record and the culture playing a team that probably they
38:07
Speaker 1: should beat. But when I was at practice earlier today,
38:09
Speaker 1: Costanzo was back out there. There was no site, no site,
38:13
Speaker 1: a sign of Darius Leonard. If I'm the Colts, they
38:16
Speaker 1: played at Bengals this week and then they have their buy,
38:19
Speaker 1: there's zero, zero reason for putting Darius, I mean Darius
38:23
Speaker 1: Leonard and Anthony Costanzo out there because I think whether
38:27
Speaker 1: they have Leonard and Costanzo or not, they should be
38:29
Speaker 1: able to beat the Bengals. And I say that as
38:31
Speaker 1: being very impressed and what I've seen from Joe Burrow
38:34
Speaker 1: so far as the season. But if the Coats belader
38:36
Speaker 1: a playoffs team, they should beat a rebuilding Cincinnati Bengals team.
38:40
Speaker 1: So it's going to be up in the air. I
38:42
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if Casanzo played this week because
38:45
Speaker 1: he was out there in a practice field. But with
38:48
Speaker 1: a guy like Leonard a groin injury, we all know
38:51
Speaker 1: groin injuries if you tweak it can linger on for
38:54
Speaker 1: a long long time. There's a lot of football enough
38:57
Speaker 1: to be played. If Leonard misses this week, he's essentially
38:59
Speaker 1: having three weeks off with the growing injury. He can
39:02
Speaker 1: get healthy after the buy against the Lions. So again,
39:05
Speaker 1: Bengals fans, is nothing personal, but I don't think I
39:08
Speaker 1: don't think the Coats need Darius Lennon or Anthony Gosanzo
39:11
Speaker 1: to beat Cincinnati this weekend. Let's go to the other
39:14
Speaker 1: side of the ball for a second. De Forest Buckner,
39:17
Speaker 1: big trade, give up what I think it was the
39:19
Speaker 1: thirteenth pick in the first round to get the Forest Buckner?
39:23
Speaker 1: Has he been playing as advertising? Statistically looks pretty good?
39:27
Speaker 1: How's it looking? You know what? I think he's been
39:31
Speaker 1: better than what his stats say. I don't have the
39:32
Speaker 1: stats right in front of me, but he is. He's
39:35
Speaker 1: causing teams to have to pay attention to him, which
39:38
Speaker 1: is allowing you know, the ages wonder justin Houston to
39:42
Speaker 1: be able to make plays still and on the back end.
39:44
Speaker 1: The coata I think they had six or seven interceptions
39:46
Speaker 1: already this season, so fortion turnovers and yells, yeah, I'm
39:50
Speaker 1: short changing the coach nine interceptions. So it's kind of
39:54
Speaker 1: a trickle down effect. Bucklers may not be having the
39:57
Speaker 1: stats they're gonna have everybody screaming and say, oh yeah,
39:59
Speaker 1: this guy dominated, but he's causing quarterbacks to get rid
40:02
Speaker 1: of the ball quicker, which is allowing the deep, the
40:05
Speaker 1: back end players to defense the backs to be able
40:07
Speaker 1: to make plays and you know, forced turnovers. ESPN Colt
40:11
Speaker 1: reporter Mike Wells is our guest that coach defense number
40:15
Speaker 1: one in yards allowed, number two and points allowed, number
40:19
Speaker 1: one in interceptions. As we were just talking about, it's
40:21
Speaker 1: not chock full of Pro bowlers. It's not like the
40:24
Speaker 1: Ravens in that respect. Why are these guys so freaking
40:28
Speaker 1: good on defense? You know, it starts with the defense.
40:31
Speaker 1: The coordinator, Matt even Flus, he has a model of
40:34
Speaker 1: you know, you played through the whistle. You know, most
40:36
Speaker 1: people play until they hear whistle. The coach defense, they
40:39
Speaker 1: played through the whistle. They and they're always trying to
40:42
Speaker 1: strip the ball and they don't want it to be
40:45
Speaker 1: all about one player. It's not about it. It's not
40:48
Speaker 1: just about Darius Leonard or the Ford Buckner's. It is
40:51
Speaker 1: a whole complete unit. You know, if one unit is
40:54
Speaker 1: playing well, it should help the other two units. So
40:56
Speaker 1: if the D line is playing good, the linebackers and
40:58
Speaker 1: the defensive backs should be able to thrive all of it.
41:00
Speaker 1: So that's It's that motto of hey always attacked the football,
41:04
Speaker 1: played through the whistle. I mean aggressive it as fast
41:07
Speaker 1: as possible, because I mean, I look at the Forest bucking.
41:10
Speaker 1: I think he should be a power forward on an
41:13
Speaker 1: NBA team. He said, he's six seven clock in the
41:15
Speaker 1: middle of the lane, the middle of the line of scrimmage,
41:17
Speaker 1: and he's helping everybody out on that unit. Matt Ebraflush
41:21
Speaker 1: he was a defensive coordinator at Missouri. I was doing
41:24
Speaker 1: big twelve games at the time, and I remember Gary Pinkel,
41:27
Speaker 1: the head coach of Missouri, said, I have a kid
41:29
Speaker 1: that's coaching my defense that is going to be have
41:33
Speaker 1: a future that you won't believe in football. I said,
41:35
Speaker 1: you mean like at the professional level. He gets, oh yeah,
41:38
Speaker 1: he said, this kid is destined. And it was Ebraflus
41:41
Speaker 1: and his whole thing. When he was at Missouri was
41:43
Speaker 1: do a few things as well as we possibly can.
41:46
Speaker 1: Keep it simple, and they keep it simple where they can.
41:49
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing, and they play fast. They're confident,
41:51
Speaker 1: and man, I'll tell you what, he had those guys
41:53
Speaker 1: flying around the field. It seems like he's doing the
41:55
Speaker 1: same thing with the Colts, and that's exactly what it is.
41:58
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it's not it's all about trying to
42:01
Speaker 1: do too much. It's like, keep it simple, just keep
42:04
Speaker 1: it simple, and the simple things we do, we have
42:07
Speaker 1: to be the best set it. And that's evil. Plus
42:09
Speaker 1: is you know mind frame. I mean you talked to
42:11
Speaker 1: Mattie Bifus. He's kind of just kind of blow whatever.
42:14
Speaker 1: But his his his tenacity and getting things making a
42:18
Speaker 1: perfect making everything perfection is over the top, and that's
42:22
Speaker 1: what you'd like to see at the coordinator Mike Wells
42:25
Speaker 1: is our guest. The Colts have had their share of injuries,
42:28
Speaker 1: including Marlon Mack there, one thousand yard rusher from last
42:32
Speaker 1: year but waiting in the wings. Second round draft pick
42:34
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, sixth leading rusher in college football history, despite
42:39
Speaker 1: only being at Wisconsin for three years. He was the
42:41
Speaker 1: second round draft pick this year. How much of the
42:44
Speaker 1: offense now is going through Jonathan Taylor. It's Jonathan Taylor's show,
42:49
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that's a lot to put on Jonathan Taylor's
42:53
Speaker 1: is his plate, you know. He I think he's realized
42:55
Speaker 1: pretty quickly that, you know, this is not Wisconsin where
42:58
Speaker 1: you can try to stretch a run out and hopefully
43:00
Speaker 1: turned the corner. He's realizing that if he sees a
43:03
Speaker 1: slight trease, he has to turn and turn up field
43:06
Speaker 1: and get through it because defensive players are a lot.
43:08
Speaker 1: He's not facing a Rutgers decense. He's facing legit NFL players.
43:12
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, with Marlin Matt going down
43:15
Speaker 1: and it kind of put a lot that he had
43:17
Speaker 1: to put out there. I think it would be better
43:18
Speaker 1: for Taylor if Mac not, if Mack had not torn
43:21
Speaker 1: his achilles. But Nathan Taylor's gonna be funny. He's already
43:24
Speaker 1: had one hundred yard rushing game. So they're going to continue.
43:28
Speaker 1: They're going to continue to feature him as much as
43:30
Speaker 1: possible because as much as we talk about Philip Rivers
43:33
Speaker 1: or a t Y Hilton in the passing year, the
43:35
Speaker 1: Colts want to be a run first football team and
43:37
Speaker 1: to be a run first football team. It's all about
43:40
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. We talked about how opportunistic the secondary is.
43:44
Speaker 1: With nine interceptions leads the league. They get two pick sixes,
43:47
Speaker 1: which also leads the league, and they've returned the kickoff
43:50
Speaker 1: one hundred and one yards for a touchdown, so three
43:52
Speaker 1: returns is tied to the league league with Baltimore and
43:55
Speaker 1: the Bengals just played the Ravens last week seeing how
43:57
Speaker 1: opportunistic they were. But this special teams for Indianapolis, Man,
44:01
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they're They're eighth in the NFL and
44:04
Speaker 1: punt returns their tenth covering punts second and kickoff returns
44:08
Speaker 1: eleventh covering kickoffs. I mean, they're special teams have dictated
44:12
Speaker 1: fuel position all year, it seems like it is. And
44:16
Speaker 1: as the keeping them. They want to get Philip Rivers
44:18
Speaker 1: a short field to work with and then a Rigaberto
44:21
Speaker 1: Sanchez of the punter. He does an incredible job being
44:24
Speaker 1: able to pin teams down. They probably their hat on
44:27
Speaker 1: special teams. They want to be able to shorten the
44:30
Speaker 1: field for the thirty eight year old quarterback and they
44:33
Speaker 1: want to they know their defense is so good that
44:35
Speaker 1: if they can get a team inside the team, it's
44:37
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for a team to go ninety plus
44:39
Speaker 1: yards the score touchdown against will And speaking of special teams,
44:43
Speaker 1: Adam Vinari will go down as one of the greatest
44:46
Speaker 1: kickers of all time, but he was brutal last year
44:49
Speaker 1: for the Colts, made less than seventy percent of his
44:51
Speaker 1: field goals miss six pats. What has rookie Rodrigo blank
44:56
Speaker 1: and Shift done for the Colts confidence in their kicking game. Well,
45:00
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. I gotta say this. You know,
45:02
Speaker 1: I'm forty three years old and you know, times to
45:05
Speaker 1: change because I remember talking to Blanket Shift, Blanket Ship
45:09
Speaker 1: early on and we were asking him about hobbies and
45:11
Speaker 1: what he likes to do when he's not playing football.
45:13
Speaker 1: He puts legos together. He puts lego together. That's what
45:17
Speaker 1: my nine year old son used to do. He legos together,
45:20
Speaker 1: and Blanketship says, you know, he's like, I like to
45:23
Speaker 1: build legos. And we asked the special teams accordinated about that.
45:26
Speaker 1: He goes and listen. As long as he makes kicks,
45:28
Speaker 1: that's all the game. And that's the thing. You know,
45:31
Speaker 1: last year was a disaster for the coach. Kicking game
45:33
Speaker 1: Adam Mina Tarry as great as he was during his
45:37
Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame career, he costs him so many
45:39
Speaker 1: games and blanketship. He's the air parent. I mean, you
45:41
Speaker 1: talk about a guy that made all two hundred extra
45:44
Speaker 1: points kicks when he was at the University of Georgian,
45:47
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, maybe only his thirteen shield goals
45:50
Speaker 1: in his four year career. So you're playing in the
45:53
Speaker 1: toughest conference in college football. So he's NFL ready. I mean,
45:56
Speaker 1: he's gonna have some missus as we've seen from him
45:59
Speaker 1: and a number of other kicker in the league. But
46:01
Speaker 1: he's definitely putting, you know, making life easy for him.
46:04
Speaker 1: And I think he leads the NFL and scoring two
46:06
Speaker 1: fifty six points. I believe, Yeah, he does fifty six
46:09
Speaker 1: points fifteen out of seventeen field goals. Is fifteen field
46:12
Speaker 1: goals lead the league. Is fifty six points lead the league.
46:15
Speaker 1: You're right on, Mike, Is there a guy that's kind
46:17
Speaker 1: of flying under the radar? I mean, as a guy
46:19
Speaker 1: that's been playing real well that has not gotten as
46:22
Speaker 1: much media hype as maybe he should have gotten. For
46:24
Speaker 1: the Colts, a player or two tight end mo Ali
46:27
Speaker 1: Cox I know Bengal fan. Bengals fans are like who
46:31
Speaker 1: is that? They're probably looking at Google and the first
46:33
Speaker 1: thing that's gonn pop up with basketball probably is a
46:36
Speaker 1: VCU college basketball soccer smart. Ali Cox is a former
46:41
Speaker 1: VCU college basketball player. Hadn't played football since who like
46:44
Speaker 1: the youth, but he's a he leads a coult as
46:47
Speaker 1: far as tight end goal, as far as receiving yards
46:49
Speaker 1: and catches go. I mean, he's using his athleticism. He's
46:52
Speaker 1: taking him time to learn the game, but he's he's
46:55
Speaker 1: definitely moved into that role and he is a legit
46:58
Speaker 1: passing threat for Philip Rivers in the in the offense
47:00
Speaker 1: because Rivers and Frank Wright love the tight ends in
47:03
Speaker 1: his offense, seventeen point six yards per catch, two touchdown
47:07
Speaker 1: catches he got along of forty five. He has been.
47:09
Speaker 1: He has been a big time target real long obviously.
47:12
Speaker 1: Huh oh yeah yeah, he's I'm not a guy that
47:15
Speaker 1: played a power forward and played above the ram. So
47:18
Speaker 1: he's one of those one of the Philip Rivers says,
47:19
Speaker 1: go up and get a big boy goal. Snatched the
47:21
Speaker 1: ball out of the air like right rebound, Ali Cox
47:23
Speaker 1: will go do it. For a final look ahead to
47:26
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