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Jaguars Happy Hour | Pete & Tony Analyze Week 4 Loss to Texans · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, September thirtieth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Jet Home Loans.
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  Speaker 1: And now, while she claims to be excited to be hosting,
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  Speaker 1: no one has really seen or heard from JP in
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  Speaker 1: a while.
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  Speaker 2: Kai nan A Stevens, I love to host an extra show.
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  Speaker 2: JP is out. He's in South Florida for Monday Night football.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys are stuck with me. Kay Nanni Stevens
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  Speaker 2: here sitting in for Happy Hour today, presented by Jet
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  Speaker 2: Home Loans. Another frustrating loss this week, the Jaguars lead,
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  Speaker 2: lose it late to the Texans. They're still searching for
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  Speaker 2: their first win of this season. Now, lots of questions
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  Speaker 2: about play calling at this point coming up again. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna keep it real a little bit later on in
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  Speaker 2: some of your fan questions, there were a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to get the best ones out there, and
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna ask Tony and Pete about that coming up.
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  Speaker 2: But first we're gonna hear from head coach Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: After the game I mentioned play calling brought up once again.
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  Speaker 2: Here's it. Doug Peterson had to say, there, kids, you take.
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  Speaker 3: The headset over.
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  Speaker 4: Just change this thing up for what I thought he'd
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  Speaker 4: called a great game. We as coaches, we can't make
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  Speaker 4: the we can't go out there and make the plays right.
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  Speaker 4: It's a two way street. So you know, you guys
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  Speaker 4: can sit here and point the finger all you want,
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  Speaker 4: and that's fine. Point it right at me. I can
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  Speaker 4: take it. Okay, I can take it. So whatever you
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  Speaker 4: want to ask me, say whatever, right, go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: You can. You can tell us at your introductory news
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  Speaker 5: conference a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if it's not working, if it's not in rhythm,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's your plays or not, that you've end off
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  Speaker 3: the play calling.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's it just one of those Maybe it's
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  Speaker 6: just a voice confidence you guys were cooking when you
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  Speaker 6: were doing.
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  Speaker 3: It's been look back in twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, okay, I'll take it into consideration.
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  Speaker 2: Tense situation there. Let's get things going. We've got the
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer in here, Tony Boselli with me to day,
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  Speaker 2: and of course CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco. If
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  Speaker 2: you guys haven't been in for a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have a show last week after Monday night football.
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  Speaker 2: So I know you all have a lot to say,
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  Speaker 2: so when I see the floor to you, I want
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  Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Kai kai kaka, I have a lot to say. Pete,
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  Speaker 3: I know you have a lot to say. As we
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  Speaker 3: were talking back and forth, I mean, I think you
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  Speaker 3: got to start with just the press conference. We'll start
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  Speaker 3: there because it leads to a bunch of other things.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, number one, you're own four and I would
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  Speaker 3: say this, I think this is the longest start to
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  Speaker 3: a season that I can ever remember as a Jaguar. Now,
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  Speaker 3: maybe when I was playing so but let's say post
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  Speaker 3: playing queer. Because listen, we've been through some bad seasons here,
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  Speaker 3: bad football. But there was expectations this year set by
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  Speaker 3: the owner first and foremost. You know, everyone in the building.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's one of the better teams we've had,
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  Speaker 3: so on and so forth. We can talk about that
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  Speaker 3: maybe if we want to, But bottom line, there's expectations
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  Speaker 3: in my expectations where this would be a team that
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  Speaker 3: come December would be fighting for the division championship against
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  Speaker 3: the Houston Texans. And at zero to four, I think
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  Speaker 3: the high total is what twenty points by the offense, defense,
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  Speaker 3: struggles to get off the field, get pressure. They're not
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  Speaker 3: good on third down. Offensively, that's not good on third down.
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  Speaker 3: And I think yesterday what you saw from Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 3: was the accumulation of frustration. And I don't think he
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  Speaker 3: handled it great. Like I think, like the last thing
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  Speaker 3: you want to do is to even if it's just perception,
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  Speaker 3: to make the perception to be that you're blaming the players.
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  Speaker 3: And if you go on X and listen to all
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  Speaker 3: the fans and all the talking boys, national media as well,
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  Speaker 3: it was Doug blaming the players that it's not press,
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  Speaker 3: it's not him, it's the players. And I know Doug
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  Speaker 3: didn't That's not what he was trying to communicate. He
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  Speaker 3: was trying to say, like, listen, it's a two way street.
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  Speaker 3: Both sides have to do their job and we got
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  Speaker 3: to execute. And it's such a hot topic around here.
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  Speaker 3: You know who's calling place. No, he did, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's what he I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: was his intention. Absolutely, Pete, that's what came out. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not disagreeing. I don't think he handled it right. I
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  Speaker 3: think you saw a frustrated emotional head coach. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think the questions were unfair by the media. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: my goodness, Doug should be used to it. He came
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  Speaker 3: from Philly. I mean, the Northeast media.
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  Speaker 5: Is brutal, much more brutal.
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  Speaker 3: Than anything down here. But the thing that drives me
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  Speaker 3: creating this whole play calling, Can we just settle it now?
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  Speaker 3: Press Taylor's been calling play since twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he reacted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been calling it from the beginning, and so like,
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  Speaker 3: why say that then? I don't know, Pete, I agree
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  Speaker 3: with you. I don't think it was handled properly. And like,
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  Speaker 3: that's why I kind of chuckled when Brent was asking
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  Speaker 3: the questions that it was cooking when you were calling.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like that that's not that's revision is history. When
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  Speaker 3: they went on the run, Press, this was calling plays
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  Speaker 3: when they were eight and three. Last year, Press was
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  Speaker 3: calling plays, And so like this whole thing, whether it's Press,
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  Speaker 3: Doug great, like, can we just throw that aside? The
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  Speaker 3: bottom line is you can have issues with the play calling,
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  Speaker 3: and I have issues with some of the strategy and
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  Speaker 3: some of the things we do. I mean Pete does
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  Speaker 3: as well. I mean, it's easy for us to do
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  Speaker 3: it too after the fact, looking back, saying well, I'd
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  Speaker 3: have done this, I'd have done that. Whatever, that's what
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  Speaker 3: we do in the NFL. But at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, they're not playing good football. They're not playing
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  Speaker 3: good football, they're not playing winning football on defense. I
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  Speaker 3: don't care. Everyone says, well, they've only given up so
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  Speaker 3: many points, blah blah blah. Okay, great, get off the
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  Speaker 3: field again. We got crushed in the time of possession
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  Speaker 3: first half. They were on the field the entire first half.
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  Speaker 3: Once again, zero created turnovers by the defense. We were
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  Speaker 3: gifted seven points by the young punt returner. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the bottom line is it's not good enough. The players
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  Speaker 3: aren't playing well enough, the coaches aren't coaching well enough.
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  Speaker 3: The GM isn't doing a good enough job. I mean it,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm a big believer, you win together and you
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  Speaker 3: lose together. And now, if I'm going to default to
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  Speaker 3: point the finger at one group more than any other,
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  Speaker 3: I always start with the players. I think this is
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  Speaker 3: the players league. It's on us as players. We want
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  Speaker 3: all the we get paid a lot of money. It's
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  Speaker 3: about us. We play the game. When we win, we
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  Speaker 3: should get the credit most of it, and when we lose,
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  Speaker 3: we should get most of the blame. Guys have to
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  Speaker 3: make plays. That game yesterday we should have won. We said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we should have won Miami. We should have won Cleveland,
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  Speaker 3: Oka't you talked about Buffalo that was ugly, But here's
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  Speaker 3: the problem. We didn't.
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  Speaker 5: So guess what you are.
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  Speaker 3: You're an zero to fourteen because if you like, yes,
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  Speaker 3: plays are out there to be made, but you gotta
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  Speaker 3: make him and we're not doing it right now. And
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  Speaker 3: the only way to change is you better get back
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  Speaker 3: to the practice field and better changement and change what
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  Speaker 3: you're doing and get better, because right now you're not
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  Speaker 3: a very good football team.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let me first start by what Doug said yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: He's created this entire problem for himself by never saying
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  Speaker 5: who the play caller was.
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  Speaker 3: It started last year. Whoever leaked this last year, Like
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know why he became a story ever, Right.
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  Speaker 7: He could have put it in the bed before this season
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  Speaker 7: is going to call it.
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  Speaker 5: Instead, he's all coy about it, and it comes off,
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  Speaker 5: it comes off as sophomoric. Let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 5: By saying doing it the way they're doing it. So
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  Speaker 5: then he's asked the question after the game rightfully so,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, and he blames the players the players
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  Speaker 5: as any leader and any coach in any business. Tony,
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  Speaker 5: you work in business. You guys have bosses. You know
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  Speaker 5: that you can't go in and blame the employees, and
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  Speaker 5: you just can't. You got to take accountability. It's all
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  Speaker 5: of us. I'm responsible. Where responsible? Instead said we're doing
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  Speaker 5: our job, they're not doing theirs.
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  Speaker 7: It's basically what he said. And I don't.
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  Speaker 5: I asked if the locker room was open today, because
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  Speaker 5: if I was on that beat today, I'd be in
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  Speaker 5: there asking every damn player if he felt he was responsible.
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  Speaker 5: And he's to blame like this coach has blamed him
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  Speaker 5: because that's what he did. So bad, look there, bad
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  Speaker 5: look But let's get back to the football. The roster
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  Speaker 5: isn't very good right now. Must be real.
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  Speaker 7: You know you want to point the blame, Tony. You
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  Speaker 7: said you want to blame the players. You can blame
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  Speaker 7: the players all you want. It's not a great roster,
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  Speaker 7: so start at the top.
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  Speaker 5: The drafts haven't been great when you look at it
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  Speaker 5: from top to bottom. Where's the where are the top
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  Speaker 5: fifteen players in the league in each position. Do you
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  Speaker 5: have any Yeah, maybe one or two. It's just not
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  Speaker 5: a good roster. And so it starts with the general matter.
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  Speaker 5: It starts with the personnel department. Then you want to
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  Speaker 5: trickle it down. I have a ton of things to
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  Speaker 5: get in with the offense, and then you go to
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  Speaker 5: the players. I'm gonna sit here and say it right now.
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  Speaker 5: I've been a big defender of Trevor Lawrence. Some's not
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  Speaker 5: right there. It's just not right. He has to hit
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  Speaker 5: those open shots. He has to hit him. Those are
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  Speaker 5: easy throws. He made the right lead, he made the
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  Speaker 5: right decision. You have to hit those.
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  Speaker 3: Be Let me before you go in.
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  Speaker 5: Let me.
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  Speaker 3: I want to make sure you're not we're on the
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  Speaker 3: same page. When I say blame the players, it's not
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  Speaker 3: even blame. It's the player's responsibility. Like I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to disagree with you. Because we could go
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  Speaker 3: through and say, how many top five players that their
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  Speaker 3: position do we have on this team, how the top ten,
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  Speaker 3: how many top fifteen, and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: We could do that, and it probably is not going
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  Speaker 3: to be a lot of fun to do. However, when
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  Speaker 3: I say it's the player's responsibility because you're not changing
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  Speaker 3: the roster. This is not like fantasy football or like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's go make fifty trades and rebuild our roster. The
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  Speaker 3: team is what it is. There is nowhere to go
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  Speaker 3: to go get new guys. Maybe a trade.
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  Speaker 7: Here or there.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe how often does that really happen in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't Major League Baseball or the NBA where you
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  Speaker 3: can do some trade in the middle of season and
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  Speaker 3: changing for it. It doesn't work that way. And so, Pete,
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  Speaker 3: my point was, we can talk about the structure in
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  Speaker 3: the building of this roster, and I know you and
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  Speaker 3: I have strong opinions about that, but I'm speaking here
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  Speaker 3: and now you have thirteen more games, and Ky, you
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  Speaker 3: know this. They're gonna play thirteen more games. They are
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  Speaker 3: they Are they canceling anything? Ky, Are they giving us
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  Speaker 3: a week off?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 3: And so how do you fix it from here? Coaches
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  Speaker 3: need to coach better. Absolutely, maybe you need to change
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  Speaker 3: tweak this or that. But it's the player's responsibility, Pete.
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  Speaker 3: You just said it. They had two home run shots.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, who.
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  Speaker 2: Called those plays exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Press Taylor? Did he get those guys wide open Pete. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and should those have been touchdowns?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Do you win the game if you hit those two
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  Speaker 3: kill shots?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, most likely, and they may also probably. You also
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  Speaker 5: probably win the game if you're play calling on the
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  Speaker 5: goal line after getting down to the three yard Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about that pe because I watched the tape.
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  Speaker 7: I watched the tape too.
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  Speaker 3: I watched the tape first the tank, Tank runs what
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  Speaker 3: fifty nine yards was over?
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  Speaker 8: And the.
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  Speaker 3: Timeout? Okay, here's the player we're showing right here. I
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  Speaker 3: heard all this last night in the bus the plane.
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  Speaker 3: Twitter wise, Tank not getting arrest. Why don't you sub
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  Speaker 3: in ETN they didn't do it? Whatever, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 3: even argue that, because it's hard to argue one way
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  Speaker 3: why they didn't. Tank lined up Pete on second on
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  Speaker 3: first down and had a nice run. He got three yards,
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  Speaker 3: almost ran.
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  Speaker 7: He ran over Anton Harrison who was on the ground.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine, but it was in good If Trevor
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  Speaker 5: kept it, it probably would have been a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: But my point is it was a nice cut. He
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  Speaker 3: did not look like he was gassed. He got down
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  Speaker 3: basically to the one yard line. Okay, now, we're on
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  Speaker 3: the one second and one. They call it zone read.
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  Speaker 3: Our right guard is in a two point stance with
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  Speaker 3: everyone else in the three point stance. Maybe it's because
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  Speaker 3: the silent count. He had to move it because it
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  Speaker 3: was loud, because we're in a shotgun. I'm not whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I think you should be in a three point but
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  Speaker 3: I'm not questioning whatever. I never played guard, but what
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  Speaker 3: I do, because it's on the tape. He got absolutely
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  Speaker 3: blown up. And guess what in that situation, when you're
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  Speaker 3: on the one, everyone is taught as an offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 3: take care of the down guy. Now, if that guy's
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  Speaker 3: a run through guy, maybe you have to get off quick.
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  Speaker 3: He was not. We got blown up, thrown so far
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  Speaker 3: down into the A gap that we never even got
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  Speaker 3: to the linebacker and the three technique slicing and blowing
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing up. If if Anton and Brandon double
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  Speaker 3: team that guy and take him to the linebacker, tank
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  Speaker 3: walks in so like, I agree, I would call it differently.
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  Speaker 3: What I would want to do. I like big people
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  Speaker 3: in that situation go jam it up. But Pete, you
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  Speaker 3: should not say a dang word because you are mister
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  Speaker 3: spread it out on the goal line and you say
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  Speaker 3: it every week, and that's what they did, and if
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  Speaker 3: it's blocked effectively, that's what they do. They walk in correct.
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  Speaker 7: But if you maybe if you had a fresh running back.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care if you had Earl Tempbell there, there's
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  Speaker 3: three guys.
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  Speaker 5: They wrote take guys in and out like like it's
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  Speaker 5: a hockey team on both teams.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with that. I'm not, but you're missing the
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  Speaker 3: point I'm making.
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  Speaker 7: Tank walking in okay, but Triff didn't make the block
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  Speaker 7: because he's.
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  Speaker 5: Not good enough.
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  Speaker 3: But does that play calling? I'm asking a question you're
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  Speaker 3: just answered yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: Question does it play right position?
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  Speaker 5: And he's not very good rooting out people in the
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  Speaker 5: run game, which he's not, Why would you run right there?
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  Speaker 2: Or fourth down?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't love the fourth down? Uh draw
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  Speaker 3: play listen. It almost felt like we were copying the
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  Speaker 3: Bills because the Bills didn't gainst us. It worked, but
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  Speaker 3: the Bills play a lot of empty. How often are
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  Speaker 3: we and empty?
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  Speaker 7: And Lukh's getting destroyed in that play.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that it was funny Pete on in the booth.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as they gotten empty, you know what Lock said?
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  Speaker 3: Locks said the running quarterback draw.
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  Speaker 2: I think we cut on the broadcast too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think because they never get empty. They didn't
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  Speaker 3: fool anybody. No one was rushing the passer and we
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  Speaker 3: got blown up.
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  Speaker 5: So okay, and then wait for getting third down when
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  Speaker 5: one of their free agents that they paid money for
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  Speaker 5: should have caught the touchdown in the back of the
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  Speaker 5: end zone, and then it's all a move point.
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  Speaker 3: There's another point, is that play calling.
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  Speaker 5: Pete, No, that's not play call.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So like that's what fairness to him?
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  Speaker 7: The play that they designed didn't get anybody open.
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  Speaker 5: He had to like run to the rams clear across
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  Speaker 5: the other side to try and get opens.
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  Speaker 3: I get that, but how hard is it to get
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  Speaker 3: guys wide open in the tight, tight red zone.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard, It's hard.
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  Speaker 7: But he was I mean, he should have caught the ball,
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  Speaker 7: So give them and think about that.
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  Speaker 5: If he catches the ball, game and the quarterback walks
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  Speaker 5: off with three touchdown passes and the narrative is entirely different.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the league. That's the NFL. The difference is
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  Speaker 3: teams that win make the plays when you have.
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  Speaker 2: To just a couple of plays and not making mistakes.
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  Speaker 7: I got a hold.
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  Speaker 2: I know you do.
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  Speaker 5: I wrote down from that, I.
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  Speaker 3: Get the breakdown. We can't do what we do the
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  Speaker 3: JP where we just bullym Kai is like she's a professional.
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  Speaker 5: JP's not. Well, I'm here for.
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• 15:33
  Speaker 2: what he's been dealing with and what we're seeing. This
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• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Moones I saw I.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: Have to watch it. You know, both both felt good
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: coming out and obviously just missed it. You know, guys
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: at a good job today. Have getting opened. You know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 8: they've played a lot of man coverage, which is something
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: you know, as an offense that you like to see.
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: You get your players have a chance to go win
• 15:56
  Speaker 8: one on ones and as a quarterback you get to
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: go you know for the wall out field at times.
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: So uh yeah, it was just just missed a few.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: It's a quarterback, Trevor Lawrence chiming in after the game,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: a couple of misthrows, two big ones, one to Christian Kirk,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: one to Brian Thomas Junior. You guys, we Treuvor's gonna
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: be here for a while. I signed a big, long
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: term deal. He's not looking great right now. How do
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: we fix the situation? Pete? Do you have any idea?
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: So I'm laughing because I like it. He's gonna be
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: here for a while. Yes, when you get that, when
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: you get two hundred and seventy five.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Billion dollars, that's not one of the changes we're gonna say, not.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Like he's your quarterback and I'll let Pete wagh in
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: here in two seconds. I'm just gonna say this. He's
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: not playing well. He's not playing well enough. I'm still
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: a believer.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Though he has the ability.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: It's what it's more than just their ability, because a
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: lot of guys have the ability. I think he has
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: the overall makeup to be the guy. I just don't
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: think he's ready right now that just to hand him
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: the football and like put it all on him, and
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I think that goes to a longer conversation of the
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: structure and how we play now, I liked it much
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: better yesterday. We wish for like one fifty eight or
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, and I think you got to
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: get Biggs by going more and more I said at
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the year, and people made, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: took shots at me. I think Pete was one of them.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I think Bigsby is the better true running back as
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: far as running, especially between the tackles. I think Etn
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: has more shifting as better in the past game. And
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: so I think you got to get Biggs by going more.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tank had seven attempts ninety yards team, he's.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: A guy, get fifteen. He needs fifteen plus attempts a
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: game running the ball.
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: Should he be the number? Should he be starting?
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And in your regular Yeah, first second down. I think
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: he's Pete. Don't you think he's a better pure running back.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: He's become a better runner. He was much better now.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: He's much better now than he was. But yeah, I would, yes,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: And though I think they're different, but oh they're different.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not is a big part of the off still.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: But Tony, it goes back to and nobody plays just
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: one running back in all but it goes back to
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: goes back to when I talk about personnel. One of
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: them used the first round pick on and he's a
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: part time player.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Well guess what.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: And by the way, my and my thing that I
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: told you beforehand when we were talking, I went back
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: and watched the play.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: The second play of the game, Deannis Johnson was in the.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Game something, maybe something happened earlier than that we don't
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: know about. Maybe he got hurt before.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I didn't the first play because
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: he kind of like it was a he kind of
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: like Dovid. I didn't hit him.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, because I assume Pete he got hurt when
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: he got blown up, but I don't know that. No
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: one told me that, So maybe he was nursing something
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: They were just they just called in the hockey line,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: you're in, get over the boards.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: You're playing that sometimes.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you haven't figured out yet. But
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Pete does not like our substitution patterns.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I do. I'm not sure I understand it either.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: On defense at all, right, and that is offense are
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: pretty consistent. I mean, like most teams.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, usually all offensively they do they're okay, but defensively,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I don't get it at all.
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, we had to and we're gonna go back
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: to the Buffalo game.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: I'll just remind you some of the things I wrote
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: down there was there was a series right out of
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the gate where they had the backup linebackers in the
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: game right out of the gate. And then last this
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: past week, one first down and the starting defensive line
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: off they go one first. It was three plays, Tony.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Have you ever been tired after three plays in your life?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: No? Well, I played a position where you played every
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: snap correct and by the way, and I've we've said
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: this on the show, and the guys that were the
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: top of their game, they played every snap on defense.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Or of them Max Crosby, he still does the well.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I looked out there at one point. Now this was
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: because the injury to Josh Allen, Heinz Allen, which we
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: can talk about because this team has zero depth at
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the end, a true d end.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw was Roy out there a little bit too.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: At one point when the game is like in the
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: like in question. Their rush package was Eric Armstead at end,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: any rush at end at all, Roy Robinson Harris at
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: end ledbetter and I believe it was Mason Smith.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Who actually flashed in that game.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: And then they rotated and they put Armstead inside and
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: brought Abdullah that's the other rusher. And I'm like, no one,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, CJ just sat back there. There was no
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: pressure at the end of the game.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: When you have all that group right there, and it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: not even with when hinds Allen's on the field, it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: not an explosive group.
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: Their power put Josh Allen is behinds Allen.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: He's a good player and he's getting pressures and he
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: and he and he did some good things, but he's
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: not an explosive edge rusher. And Trayvon Walker is not
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: an explosive edge rusher. Then you put Armstead in there.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: He should be playing three technique. But I don't want
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: to be a defensive end, so they're going to allow
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: me to play defense. That's why I signed my contract here.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: I don't get it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: I just don't get any of it. It makes no
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: sense to me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: They're getting a lot of play from some of these
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: younger players too, because while he's rotating everybody in now
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: with all the injuries on defense, we saw it, Excuse me,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: we saw a lot more from Ventrel Miller. Monterak Brown's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: out there a ton. Now what's your analysis of some
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: of those guys.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, the two best players on defense
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: in my opinion on Sunday were Monterak Brown and Ventro Miller.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, those are two best players on the field.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, as far as performance, I agree with you.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Before Josh got hurt, Josh is Josh is good every
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, he is physical, he's good against the run,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: he pushes the pocket, he gets pressure. I'd like him
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to see him get a little bit more on the
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: edge more often. But he won a couple times immediately
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: and the ball was gone before you even get there,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: and so there's nothing he can do about that. But
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: so we know he's we know who Josh he's probably.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's the best player on the team right now.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Join Zound's the best player the team.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: And if you had a speed guy on the other
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: side who could provide, you would see him getting a
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: guy who could win up the field and push the
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: quarterback toward him. He'd get a lot more sacks coming
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: at him because he's such a power player.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: But in Sunday's game, Ventro Miller. I mean he had
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: a couple coverage issues at times, like he could see
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: in his in some of his drops, it looked like
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: it was a little off. I'm not an expert on that,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: but talking to Jeff, that's what it looked.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Like to me.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: But as far as they just playing with speed and aggressiveness,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I mean he made like I felt like he made
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: every tackle.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And just had brought a little pop. It felt like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: he brought energy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: He brought energy out there. And then Montery Brown kudos
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: is the kid. I mean, he's played. He Tyson Campbell
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: gets hurt, he comes into the starter and I remember thinking, like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen here? He's the best corner on
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the team right now.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I mean he's physical too. He's not a big guy.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: He comes up and stick his head in there and
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: makes tackle. I saw something that he had like all
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: these breakups again this week, and like the quarterbacks completion
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: percentage when they went towards him was terrible. I'm highly
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: impressed with both those guys. I think they've played really
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: good football. It's positive.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, me too. But okay, you mentioned Ventre Miller because
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: I before I watch the tape. I saw, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I watched the game, but I wanted to watch and
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: I saw all the you mentioned the past past defense.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: There are things like I'll give you example, the shot
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: to Schultz in the middle of the field. I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: it was he was he kind of took a step
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: to the left and he's got to stay there and
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: get a little.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Dep But do you think those are things he'll figure
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: out as he plays correct?
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Correct?
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: But he got he was aggressive, he thumped, he came up.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: He made plays in the backfield. When was the last
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: time you saw linebackers making plays in the backfield like that?
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: I mean that that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: I agree, Tony. So what do you do?
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: What's your what? What do you do?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think I don't take him off the field, So.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Who says out for four more weeks? So you don't
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: ben he was back, Let's just let's spin it forward.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: If he's back right now based on play, I don't
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like the decision you're making. Is Foyer or Devon It's
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: not I mean it's not or Muma. It's like Ventrel
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: is the that getting Now it's a small sample side,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: So let's see him do it multiple weeks in a row.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Right, But just if we're.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Just gauging it from what we've seen, he's he gives
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: you something no one else has, which is speed and thump.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Now Devon has thump, but he's not can't run like Ventrarew.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: You saw him trying to chase Dalton Kinkaid and Buffalo.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: He can't cover him.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: You can't. Uh, Foyer is the smartest player on our
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: team as far as like knowing everywhere, and so he's
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: always in the right position. So it makes him play
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: even faster than he probably is. And so I don't
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: know how you take Foyer off the field when he's healthy,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: because I think he's your Like I didn't understand why
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: they were rotating him.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing is, like I completely understand your conversation,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and normal linebacking group, they would play a lot of
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: those places the way they rotate them.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Which I disagree with one thousand. I do not think.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I don't, I mean I would, Like I'm not a
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, never been one, but I played a lot
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of football and been around the game a long time.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: You don't take your best linebacker off the field, ever, No,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: you just don't.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: By the way, they better be careful. They're gonna get
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: called for too many men on the ice. The better
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: be really careful Andy with a shift change. Yeah, that's
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: what they always talk about, how they they're like a
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: hockey hockey team with the rotation, too many men on
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: the ice. Look as far as Ben trum Miller, here's
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: the interesting case scenario that they got a big They
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: got a team that comes in this week. They're pretty
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: physical upfront. We'll see how he does in the run
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: game against Jonathan Taylor. That's a good test for him, Tony, I.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Don't and they have a good offensive line. Yeah, they're physical,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: they have a good back. Now he's nursing the high
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: mild high ankle sprain, but it sounds like he's gonna
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: play based on all the reports early.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: So if he plays well, and is Lloyd gonna play
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: this week?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Does it sound like we don't know?
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: We haven't a people he plays, which who plays, who starts?
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: That's the question.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: So Ventrel and Muma, well, now let's go back to
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: the personnel department again, because you trade it up to
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: go get that guy and he wouldn't be on the field.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: What the hell?
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: What what the heck? You?
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: You? You and I could have a three hour show
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: on just some of the decisions from that standpoint. But
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: let's focus on what he what. Let's focus on what
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: they do they do this season?
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: Oh, I like focusing on all the I know. I'll
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: give you another one.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: I watched the Jets yesterday. Quincy Williams is flying all
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: over the field. They could have kept him on the roster.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: They had a draft and spend all the day of
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: money they've done on that line they've done on that
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: linebacker position. Bete.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: It's hard to argue when we come back, though, because
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: we started this with a Trevor Lawrence clip. We need
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to dig into the quarterback.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: A little bit. I gotta talk about that her, about
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: that we went off with a team apologize.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: We apologize to her, don't we like it?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: We never ever apologize JP, because frankly, it's JP. It's JP.
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• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Start worrying about.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Your stab at this point in.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: My status, Yeah, after an own report start.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I mean no, I mean.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a strange question, but okay, it's your.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Head coach Peterson weighing in on his job status after
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the game. I need you to enjoy that, Peter Tony.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I saw the last night.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you're supposed to answer that if
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: you're Doug.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It's a very awkward question.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Pete, I think, like and I
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the right question after like it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: too early for that. Like if you like, that's the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: question when you're like one and seven or two and
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: six or you know, three and ten, I mean whatever,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: but after four games, I just don't think that's the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: right question.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: That's why was that was that d Rock?
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: It was from ESPN, and I love d Rock, love
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: them and and it's a good comic relief because if
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Doug's answer like just you didn't know what he's like okay,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: But Pete, I mean you're you're a pro, You're a
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: pro media guy. I'm just an amateur media guy. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: mean it was is that a little early to ask
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: that question?
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: It's little to ask it that I would have done
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: it in a different way and my usual way to
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: get the answer I needed to get out of him.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: What you say is there's a lot of chatter around
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: about your job security, and do you think it's something
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: you need to be worried about that way?
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: But but look, it's Tony, It's out there.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: People are calling for his head. Let me.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Right, Is it early to be calling for his head?
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Probably?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's early.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I think their venom might be directed in the wrong place.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It is only a month. In gentlemen, it's a month.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: It feels like it's like dog where should be directed
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: at the general manager?
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: He's been around through thick and thin and thick and thin,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: and he's the guy. There's one constant it was, wasn't
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: he here.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: With Doug Moreau?
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Dave calledwell? Tom? Call urban Meyer?
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: He wasn't here with Tom. He was not here. Tom.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: He was here, Dave and Doug he was no, he
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: was not I think he was I know he was.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I'll bet you, I'll bet you money. Tom got fired
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: the next year. The next year Dave Dave brought.
• 30:17
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• 30:45
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• 30:48
  Speaker 3: that too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Tony Actually have a question for you about him, because
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I felt like the offensive line, I mean, as by
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the eye test, I didn't see them being awful as
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: other points in the year we saw him being a problem.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I felt maybe this was their best game that we've
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: seen as a whole. But when you're trevor Or Trevor
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Lawrence and you know maybe that they aren't, you've had
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the issues with them in the past, does that get
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: in your head mentally? Does that affect that if you
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: play well, it's still in his head.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't, but there's a cultive effect. I mean, the
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: first three games they were not good Buffalo, they were
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: just I think they had twenty one pressures if I'm
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: not mistaken, twenty twenty one, some big number. And so
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: guy gets hit too much, starts looking at the rush
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: a little bit, Ice come down. Yeah, that's a problem.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: And so I don't think that was like I didn't
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: notice Trevor all over the place. I mean, he had
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: the one weird pirouette where he's running around.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if some of the airmails are him,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: like worried about that or it's just something out.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: That's no excuse. Okay, he cannot have that excuse. As
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: far as the offensive link, I think you're right. I
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: thought it was their best game. They rushed for over
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty yards no sacks.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, was wrong. I was wrong. He was. He came
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty ms. God okay, but let's so okay.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Let's then we'll eliminate Tom Caldwell Urban Urban Doug and
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: then right, that's done, and let's not forget Rick Spielman
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: was gonna come and he didn't come for a reason.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, I got you.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, look, you get it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: And so when you look at it, Tony, who's the
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: blame for the roster the person department.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: That's the gas job. Yes, that's the job.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: So if the venom is that Doug, it should be
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: just as more, if not even more, at the general manager.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think everyone's getting their equal due on X.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: So I've seen everyone's name everyone. But but pet, let's
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: talk about Trevor, because Ki brought up a great point.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, Trevor frankly was not very good. Now, you're right,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: if Gabe Davis catches that ball's probably a different name arrative.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But I don't think the narrative changes. That he missed
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: two touchdowns that were wide open, and there was a
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: couple of balls that his receivers had to make acrobatic
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: catches for short gains. And now he made some really
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: nice throws too.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: The touchdown, there's no reason you can't hit this one.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: This is ridiculous, this one or that same one, the
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: same one, Yeah, the next one.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: The Kirk, he's got to hit that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: The Kirk one was almost worse to me because he
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: was so open there was no safety over the top.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But Kyle was asking, is he see he? Is he
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: looking at the rush? Is that the problem? Because the
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: offensive line has not been good, but they were really
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: good on Sunday, No like, almost no pressure at all,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: ran the ball. I mean, they did their job and
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: he should have operated. The Texans are playing man, I
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: mean he should have shredded them, and that he did not.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: And he's just not playing good foot right now. He's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: not playing good enough to win.
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: I think I think Buffalo he got a little shell
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: shocked up there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: the mechanics when he gets he's a long strider, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: so if you watch his mechanics when he gets mechanically
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: sped up, he starts throwing high passes and inaccurate, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: he's inaccurate. He's hurried up. And I think that carried
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: even though he didn't need to be on Sunday, Tony,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: that kind of carries over when he like the one
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: to Kirk, that's a play action. Turned your body and
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: fire a shot down there where you give him a
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: little air and let him run under it. And mechanically
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: that's not you could tell he's not setting his feet
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: and there were moments where he's hopping. I just mechanically,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I think he's having problems another quarterback whisper or anything.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: But he's a long strider and I think that's part
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: of the problem. You know, you mentioned the one. How
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: about the one on the sideline. This one was really
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: weird to me, the one on the side. And the
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: body language was terrible by Thomas too. He's running down
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: the right sideline.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Didn't give him a chance.
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: Well, he's gotta be able to eat.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: That's gotta have a little air on it, because he
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: threw it like on a.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: On a shot.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right here, it's not it's did he turn
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the right way? I don't know. I have no idea,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: but the ball was out of bound. I mean it
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: was almost like.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: And the body language look at it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: The body language is terrible and it's almost like you
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: can see his wide receivers and start. I didn't get
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: a little frustrated with him, which makes him, I think,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: press even more. This ball has to be in the inside.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: It's got to be to the inside there. It's just
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: a miss. And and they're they're missing too many the
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: receivers one on Sunday and didn't get the the you
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: know the passes. I think he sped up Buffalo. I'm
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: gonna criticize the receivers a little bit. He was getting well.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: The offensive life was terrible. And you know what else
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: they do, Tony, when teams play z own and Buffalo
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: plays a lot a ton of zone, they run to
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: through the zone instead of sitting down, and they run
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: right into a man.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: They're terrible at it, terrible And that's a problem.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: What do you do with Trevor?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: What?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: What's the fixed? Pete? I got an idea, but I
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: want to hear yours first, because my guess is I'm
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: gonna disagree with whatever you say. But go ahead.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Why are you gonna disagree with me because I haven't.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: You want to run the ball?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Pete's answer always kai is like spread it out, speed
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: it up, go fast, throw it around, get going. And
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: that's not the answer.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you something here, Okay,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Sam Donald, Right, I'm gonna use this. I'm gonna use this.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Sam Donald was it ok?
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: But he wasn't very good in his last couple of stops,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: even though he's a Trojan and you.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Love him m VP candidate right now.
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: So on Sunday, yea, he is the m v P
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: right now.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: And on Sunday the Packers sack him, sack and cause
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: the fumble, get it turned over. I saw your I
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: saw your twenty and all of a sudden, you look around.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: You go, Sam Donald's becoming Sam Donald again. But what
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: does Kevin O'Connell do. He throws it six of the
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: next seven plays, they get a field goal, game over.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: That's not the way Jacksonville want. They don't let that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Let that happen twice, and then put him at third
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: and law pete.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: This is my problem with your your comparison, Sam donal
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Sam Donald. Sam Donald has been around and has been
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: beat the hell and he's had to learn the hard
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: way through multiple teams, people giving up on him. And
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I think he's found the right situation. I always thought
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: he was a good player, and I was biased because
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I'm an SC guy. And I think he's now in
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a system with the head coach, in a place where
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: you know, going in not a ton of pressure because
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: everyone thought the rookie was going to be, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the guy there. He had a great preseason where he
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: gets hurt and he's saying, hey, I'm gonna take advantage
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: of my shot, like it's almost I'm sure there's a
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: little bit of him feeling like I'm playing with house,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: like no one thinks where I'm gonna do anything. Everyone
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: has labeled me as a first round bust. I can
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: just go play with freedom. I don't think Trevor's playing
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: with freedom. I think it looks like he has the
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: weight of the world on him. And so the last
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: thing I think you do when a guy is like that,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: because I again, I believe in Trevor. I think he
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: is super talented. I think he has right mentality. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: think he wants to be good. I think he is pressing.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I think he is he's not confident, and I think
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: he's the weight of the world right now. Signed a
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: big deal, all the expectations, all the things going on,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and so I think you go the opposite. I'll be like, hey, listen,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: just relax. We're gonna we're gonna run the ball, we're
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: gonna be physical, we're gonna play good field position football,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and you know we're gonna ask you to make some plays,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: but we're not gonna put the whole thing on you.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: And we're gonna play action pass, we're gonna move the pocket,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna do things and let him get some confidence.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Let him see it's like a it's like a three
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: point shoot. Who can't hit the broadside of a barn? Like, hey,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: let's go get some layups, get some mid range show like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: let's take some easy one. See the ball go through.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Who get fould shoot a couple of free throw shots,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: See the ball go in. And I think you need
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Trevor to get some opportunities to see success.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: You want to turn you want to turn him in
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: with the Chargers have turned justin Herbert into.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't say Pete. I'm not saying that. I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: saying this is the process where you get him to
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: the player he should be. He's not that right now.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm a big believer. Don't ask guys to do
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: things that they can't do right now.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: So well, okay, but if he can't do it, like
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: you're saying he can't do it, then you've got a
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: major problem on your hands.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: No, he can do it right now in that where
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: he's at all. Right, we gotta go to a break.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Let's go. I want to finish this conversation because I
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: want to talk about Pete. I want you to pick
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: apart what I would do with Trevor.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: All right, stay with us here and Happy Hour coming
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: up after the break. We will give you the details
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: how to fix things with Trevor Lawrence. Welcome back into
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour person by jet Home Loans. I'm kind
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of Anni Stephen than for J. P. Shaddrick today, Pete Prisco,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Tony BISSELLI are here with me trying to answer your
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: questions for you. We'll get to some fanatics fan questions
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: in the next hour, but right now we're still trying
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: to figure out exactly what to do with sixteen. You
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: guys are differing philosophies. Pete, you didn't give us your
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: full philosophy. What do you think we should do with the.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Here's one that that bothers me to no end is
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: they don't throw the ball into the middle of the
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: field at all. Now, whether that's by design, they're afraid
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: of him. They don't think the protection in the middle
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: is good enough. I don't know why, but you go
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: back to the Miami game, Kirk hit a shot in
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: the middle of the field. Even last week, two weeks
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: ago in Buffalo late you know, third quarter, when they
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: got it rolled a little bit, he hit a shot
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: to Kirk in the middle of the field.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: They don't throw it in the middle of the field enough.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: And that's that's part. I think if they did some
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: things differently, and we've seen what Brian Thomas could do,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: that kid's is going to be a star. He can
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: run crossers, he can go down the field, he can
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: run into the middle of the now was a great
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: route runner. No, but that's coming. And so I think
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: you need to use those guys down in the middle
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: of the field too much.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: It's too much to the sideline. And I don't know why.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: The answer to that is design.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Is it him? Are they afraid of him throwing it
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: into the middle of the field, because I think there's
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: opportunities there. So if you did something like that, that's
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: you know, And I Tony, you know, I'm always a
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: big believer in taking shots on first down. Yep uh.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: And if you do take a shot on first down,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: there's no obligatory NFL rule that says you have to
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: run it on second down to have it better for
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: manageable and third down like every team in the league does.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: So I just think if you allow him the best
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: he's ever played is win.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: The best second half of twenty two.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: And what's the best game he's ever.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Had second half of the Chargers game after the worst
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the whole.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Game, what's the best hole game he's ever had.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: That's a good question.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I'd have to go back and look, guy, you stumped me.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: But he's had some where he's thrown for three thirty
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. When was the last time Trevor
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Lawrence was thrown for thre hundred yards in a game?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: It's been a lot like Texans last year?
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe did he even get three hundred?
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he had one where he was like three twenty
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: eight or something I think last year. But but the
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: bottom line is, if you turn him into a restrictive
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: quarterback and you're paying him that kind of money, you're
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: doing a disservice a to your organization and you're doing
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: the disservice to the kid.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So, Peter, let me be clear, because I've said it
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: three times now, I think he can do it. I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: think he can be the guy. I'm talking like, how
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: do you get him there? And I think you got
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: to take a little bit of pressure and let him
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: take a deep breath and relax and say, we're gonna
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: come out. We're gonna run the ball, we're gonna get
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: the screen game going. We're gonna get some vertical and
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I know you hate this, Pete, these horizontal but I'm
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: just saying, and hey, get some zone reads, get some
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: quarterback reads. The guy's athletic look on how he played
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: it Clemson running around, making plays like get him into
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: the game a little bit with some play action pass,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: running the ball and so he can get He has
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: no confidence right now, at least my view of watching
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: him play. It's like it's like the weight of the
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: world is on him and he is not executing and
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: it just is piling up. So it's like, Okay, take
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: a deep breath, dude, you're good. We all believe in you.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: You're fine. We're gonna run the ball, We're in a
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: plaction pass, we're gonna run screens. We're gonna get some
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: easy completions, and then maybe Pete, you get some success
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and start moving the ball and doing some things, then
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: you can open it up more. But I just think
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: right now, just opening it up and asking him to
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: take deep shots and throw it around the yard is
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: a recipe for disaster because he is not he's not executing.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I can play the flip side of that,
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Tony and say, your philosophy if you go run, run,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: get to get two and then go make a play
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: and now you're third and long, And that's a recipe
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: for disaster.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: It's based on a personality, and I don't think I
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: don't know Trevor well enough to know what he'll respond
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: well to. I think sometimes taking the pressure off by
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: putting it on other people's helpful. But some people want
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: maybe they want to get in a rhythm, they want
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: more reps. So I don't know which he would respond
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to best, But I think both interesting points of view
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: in the sense that one of those I hope would work.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But also Trevor needs to take some Do you think
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: he needs to take some bonus on himself, Pete, you're
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: talking about some of his mechanics. Is he need to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: alter some of what he's doing well?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I think part of the mechanical problems is stem from
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: the bad offensive line play over the last couple of
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: years and him being injured. I mean when you're a
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: long strider and you watch him, he's a long strider,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: and that means he needs to be pretty clean in
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the pocket. And so when you're got a long strider,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: that you need protection. And I think when the protection waned.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: You saw it in Buffalo, he got out of some
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: pockets where he felt pressure that wasn't there. Well, that's
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: because you got hit all the nice Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: That means you're starting to see but you're also starting
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: to see ghosts.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: And that happens to guy. So I think, Tony, if
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: you dictate tempo, you minimize that. Now on Sunday, I'm
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: gonna give you that. I thought the offensive line played
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: for that group. They played really good football for that group.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: You know, my biggest concern, Pete, the way I think
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: about it, And I am so biased because I think
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: this is how you play football. I just think you
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: run the ball, you control, control the line of scrimmage,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you take your shots off a play action pass. You know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: in different philosophy. I'm not saying that, but I'm not
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: sure we're built that way to do it. And so Pete,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you might be right. Maybe it's better just to open
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: it up and go to town. And live and live or
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: die with it. But I'll just go back to because
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: everyone thinks that he asked. I mean, you paid him
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the money. It is what it is, you paid it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: He's not performing at that level yet, Okay, that doesn't
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: mean he's a bust. That doesn't mean it's over. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: can go through the history of this league, and I'll
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: just use an example of the greatest quarterback to ever play,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady and Pete. You know this. The first five
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: years of his career, that team was built around running
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: the ball and playing great defense, was it not, Pete? Yeah,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: And then the guy got better and better, got confidence,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he became the goat. He
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: became Tom Brady that we now remember the last fifteen
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: years of his career. Now he played for one hundred years.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So you had the opportunity to do that. Yes, And
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: so I'm not saying to dumb it down. I'm not
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: saying to tell Trevor you can't do it. So we're
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: gonna switch everything we do, Like I like what we
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: did against Houston. Let's run the ball, let's get it going,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: let's get play action passes, Let's get some shots around
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the field. Where he gets some early success so that
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: he's feeling it and then you can open it up
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a little bit more.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just concerned about their ability to run it consistently.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: It's a fair point, Pete. I can't argue that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Lots of opinions, lots of options. We're going to talk
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: all things out. We're an hour and we still get
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a second hour of Jaguars Happy How we're gonna keep
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: it real. The fanatic stand questions are ahead of us
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: as well. All that right here on Happy Hour. Stick
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: with us.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: It's frustrated.
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: It's not going our way and we weren't able to
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: find a way to win this game. We had some
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: mistakes out there. Yeah, but we just have to stay together.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: It's gonna teach us something, it's gonna prepare us for
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: the future, and and stay positive. I mean, there were
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: things that we did well today and we just have
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: to do more of it, you know. And I don't
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: think we need to we need to blow everything up
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: and start over like we you know, we got good players,
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: we had we have a good scheme. Offensively, we had
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: great things today and we just got to consistently make
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: those plays. You know. I thought We had a lot
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: of opportunities, so just keep keep working. That's the that's
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: the message, Just keep working.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: This week, frustration all around here. I'm kind Nanni Steven's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: in for JP Shadrick today. Tony Bisselli and Pete Prisco
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: are with me. This is the second hour of Jaguars
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Happy Hour, presented by Mister Tubby's Wings. Before the game,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: after the game. During the game, absolutely want to check
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: them out. Let's go over some of the topics of
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the day. It's troublesome here. They're owing for this team,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: still searching for their first win of the year. They
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: led against the Texans, had a great opportunity right off
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the bat after the muff punt they able to get
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: an early touchdown to Brian Thomas Junior. Kind of finally
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: felt like that was maybe that moment, the momentum shift
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: they'd been looking for because they looked so listless on
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Monday Night football. And they did Okay, they did some
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: good things. We saw some plays from Brian Thomas Junior
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: touchdown to Kirk Christian Kirk as well. Tank Bigsby had
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a great game, including a big fifty eight yard run,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: but again couldn't convert on third down, a lot had trouble,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: couldn't convert on that fourth and one, and then c J.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Stroud just coming back with that game winning drive. I
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: think we all kind of felt that off the top,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and I want to speak for you guys, but that
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: feeling of when c J. Stroud got the ball Tonya
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: in the building, it kind of felt like when he
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: got it, you were like, oh, he's gonna go score
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that kid's good. I mean, he he has good receivers.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Nico Collins is man, he's good.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know what's amazing about it. He didn't
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: even he didn't even play that well on Sunday and
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: you look up sixty yards or whatever hit throwing.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: It well, then I mean they they are so undisciplined,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and they up front their offensive line, golly, they just
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: killed boy. The left guard was terrible, terrible, golly bad,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: which is all.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: The more the point. Their offensive line didn't look great
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: and we only got one and that extra sac from leadbetter,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: so that Roy Robinson Harrison's.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we forre some holes though, so that's positive. But yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I mean it was We're not a It's one of
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: the reasons we have no turnovers because we don't pressure
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: very well. You create turnovers by creating pressure on the quarterback.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: And well, here's the other part of that is, you
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: know we talk about Trevor. When CJ. Stroud scrambles, he
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: somehow always seems to keep his head up in fire
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: or shot down the field.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. He's always looking to continue to throw.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes when Trevor's moving, he's just trying
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: to get away. He's not looking, hey, how can extend
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: this play?
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that has to change. That's something.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: It's a great point.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Has to change for him.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: And remind me a little bit. I don't know if
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you think this, but I feel like Lamar Jackson used
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to do that a little bit earlier in his career.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: He would run to run and then kind of adapted
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: and became able to elude people and then continue to
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: want to throw. And maybe that's something he can learn
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: as it goes along.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the big difference there, and I think you're
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: probably right. Lamar ran like four to three, so he
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: was better. He was a better running back the most
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: of running backs in the league.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: But here's the other thing about and this is something
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: I've noticed just watching quarterbacks over the years, c J.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Stroud and Jade and Daniels both make it look so
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: effortless and easy, and it's not even when.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: They're rushed and pressured. It's still head.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: Up fire or shot makes it and you look up
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: and they both have three hundred yards passing and two
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: touchdowns three touchdowns.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: Whereas a guy like Trevor in this offense and even.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: Like you can go to Caleb Williams and others, it's
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: a it's a work in progress trying to get him
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: to do the things that they need to do in
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: the confines of the offense. And I think that's the
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: biggest difference. Does it ever look effortless for Trevor? It doesn't,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: not literally, it looks robotic at time. It looks for
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: a and he's, like you said, Tony, he's pressing and
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: he's thinking about all his mechanics instead of just playing football.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's my point, Pete. I think he's I think
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: he's thinking too much and yeah, not just playing and
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: reacting to what he sees and what's going on. Because
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: he's a premium athlete and he can run, he's big,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: he can do all those things. But right now something
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: is just off from how you know. I think mechanical
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: is the right word. It looks mechanical, and it's hard
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: to play the game, any game if you're mechanical.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: Because he's getting out and when he's getting out, like
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: we said, he's going and you look at the other guy,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: because the other guy got out a bunch on Sunday.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: And when he got out he made plays. And when
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: he didn't get at when he didn't have anybody down
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: the field, he ran and got first downs.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he bought time to throw the ball.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: Yes, And it looks easy.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: It looks effortless.
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: And that's the difference.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Well being talking about you brought up Caleb Williams. I
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: didn't see the game. I know we can view this
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: in the last segment, but he read on Twitter or
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: x that he had one hundred and twenty four passer
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: rating under pressure on Sunday.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: It was better.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: He's getting better. It's still not you know what I'm saying.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: When I didn't see it, I have no idea.
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but with Jaye Dan, you've seen him play. Though
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: with a guy like Jane.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Dan, I haven't seen je I haven't seen Jayden Daniels
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: play one game.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: You haven't. No, you don't turn your TV on every Huh, well.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: I cover this team called the Jaguars, or.
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: You played on they played on a night game.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it. It was the same night that
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: we played.
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: That's right, right, yeah, yeah, but you could have turned
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: that game off early.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: And got.
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: Watch.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think that had been U appreciate it, Jeff.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: Let Jeff handle it. Say you want to go watch
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: some football in the back.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that'd have been appreciated. So, but
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: they need to figure it out because it's hard to
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: win in this league if your quarterback's not playing well.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Tony, how do you deal with the pressure You're you're
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: in Trevor, you're number one pick, you got the contract.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Now you're the guy. Obviously he's not dealing with a
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: great How do you kind of reset it mentally?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I think the first thing you gotta tell yourself is
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing is not working. So me being anxious
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: and worrying about and putting all this pressure on me
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: isn't working. So let me try the opposite. I'm just
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: not gonna give to you know what, or what anyone thinks.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I know, I'm good I know I can play this position.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna study my tail off this week. I'm gonna
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: be prepared, and i'm gonna go out there with a
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: little confidence and swagger, even if I have to fake it,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: fake it till you make it. But I'm not gonna
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: sit here and worry about making a mistake. I'm not
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: gonna be afraid of failing. I'm not gonna be thinking
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: through and trying to be perfect. I'm just gonna go play.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I played this game for a long time. I was
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: great in high school, I was great in college. I
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: know I can be great here. I've done great things
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: in this league at moments. I'm just gonna go play.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: And you know what, if I throw a pick, I
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: throw a pick, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna I'm gonna go.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go slinging around. I'm gonna go make I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna run this offense. I'm gonna lead this offense.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: That's my job. I'm gonna lead the offense. I'm gonna
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: go lead these guys, and I'm gonna play with some
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: confidence and swagger and I'm gonna get after it and
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: at least if it goes bad, then it didn't go
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: bad because I was thinking, or I was worried about failing,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: or I was pressing or trying to art. I'm just
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: gonna go play because what you're doing is not working.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: You're getting you're getting all the heat right now.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Right, and it's not right and rightfully so, but Tony,
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: here's here's let's go through this second. Once you realize
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: that you were a great player, you know, okay, maybe
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: not a great player, but when you realize you could
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: handle it and be good in the NFL, did you
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: ever get anxious after that?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Every game? I actually think when you get to the top,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: you have to manage that even more.
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: But were you pressing? I'm saying, you know where you where,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: you didn't impact the way you played the game.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: Once you once you got to took the field and hit.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Somebody, did an impact the way you played the game.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I mean when you get out there you
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: start playing. I mean, but there was moments, like big
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: moments you're like okay, like the game's on the line.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Too many like okay, I gotta do my job, Go
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: do your technique, like don't don't think about the moment
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: and don't let the moment come become too big because
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: then you'll get anxious. But I think when you when
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: you get to the top of being the best or
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: like what you do, that's only half the journey. It's
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: how do you stay there?
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Because but I'm talking about a guy who's allowing pressure
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: of the contract and everything to impact him.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Like, so the contract never bothered me, So you have
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to find out what motivates you.
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: That's what it shouldn't It shouldn't. He needs to take
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: that out of the equation.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: That's my point. Like it doesn't matter. You're gonna pay it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Like I'd be like, okay, I'm getting paid.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: That's what has changed for him, Like, let's just put
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: this through. What has changed for him in three years
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: that has made him become a player who is robotic
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: and mechanical and not the same.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'll just say development, development, there's
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: no div that's a problem in that organ development. It's
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: a fair it's a fair question, Pete. I'll just tell
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: you to answer your question. From my perspective, the pressure
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: is not going anywhere. If you're the quarterback or if
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: you want to be good, if you want to be
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: good at anything. It's okay to have some anxiety going
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: in because that knows it. That to me, that tells
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: you it's important. It's how you manage that. And I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: think the management of that is because the Pete. There
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: was times in my career and you'll remember this, I'll
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. I remember we played a preseason
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: game against the San Francisco forty nine ers. Chris Dolman
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: got a sack against me early in the game. The
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: next day in the Times, you in because of people
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: like Pete who are just bad people. On the front
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: page of the sports section, besell, he gives up a sack,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: And I remember reading that, Go on, what about the
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: other fifty plays?
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Remember the worst one? Yea.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: And so I had to tell myself it's like, okay,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: if I worry about making a mistake, or if I
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: worry about getting beat, then I'm not going to play
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: as well, because then you become mechanical, you become robotic,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: you're thinking you're over instead of I played my best
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: football whenever I went out there and just competed. I
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: wasn't worried about technique. I wasn't worried about you know what,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: happens if it doesn't work, What happens if they get
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: a sack, What happens with this or that or the other.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I just went out there and trusted my ability and competed.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: And I think when you have pressure and you're in
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: a position where all the expectations are on you to
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: be great, and Trevor hasn't reached that in the NFL yet,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: but he's reached it in college and reached the other places,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: so the expectation followed him here being the first overall
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: pick of this franchise and going through that and having expectations.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I had to manage that because I knew myself because
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I was and I think Trevor's like this where you're
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: harder on yourself than anyone else can be. So you
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: have to manage yourself saying, Okay, I just got to
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: go play. Let the chips fall where they may if
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: I go out there and compete and have put the
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: work in, because that's where you like worry about techniques.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And during the week you put the work in, you
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: get your technique down. You rep it, you rep it,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: you re repid. Study, study, study, watch film, so that
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: when you get into the game you're just reacting and
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: competing against the guy across from you, and that's where
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: the mechanics, that's where you stop being mechanical and stop
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: worrying about being perfect. It doesn't have to be perfect.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: But here's the difference, though Tony, you're playing a position
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: where you got a man or who's looper, stunner, double whatever.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: When you're the quarterback and you're allowing things to impact you,
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: you see in everything to say, it's entirely different. So
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: when you start doubting at all, then it becomes a
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: great it's a magnifies it by a hundred times what
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: it might impede.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. The quarterback position is a much
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: harder position, especially mentally to play than left tackle. No,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: it's not. It's night and day. What is on his
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: play is much larger. I'm what I'm trying. What I'm
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: trying to communicate, Pete as those this it's the same
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: from the standpoint, and I felt it playing for this franchise.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Once I became at the top of the highest the
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: number one tackle in the league, whatever it was, offensive
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: lineman of the year, all the different things. Then you
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: have to realize is like the expectation is that I'm
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: never gonna get beat and that it's gonna be perfect,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: and when something does go wrong, people are going to
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: notice it and they're gonna say something. And I had
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: to tell myself is that I can't worry about that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: because if I go out there worried about giving a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: a sack or getting beat or having a bad play,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna be a mess. I'm not gonna
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: do it like Pete. I'll tell you you remember these
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: matchups my favorite game is to play were against Baltimore
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: and Michael McCrary. I was the most nervous going in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: those games, so I knew I was getting ready for
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: like a fifteen round heavyweight fight because this guy was
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: gonna be just tenacious. But it was fun when you
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: got into the game because it was like you were
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: just battling, you were playing. But let me translate this
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: to how I think it works a quarterback because the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: mental part, he's like he has so much more to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: deal with, no doubt about it. But my point that
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Trevor is like, man, you can't worry about what everyone
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: else's expectations are. You can't worry about having the big contract.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: You can't worry about what Pete Prisco or Tony Miscelli
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: or Kai saying on the radio, or you can't worry about,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: oh gosh, what's the what's on X? Because if I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: don't do what if I fall short? What if I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: don't become a top five quarterback of this league? Who cares?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Because if you worry about that, you never will. Just
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: go do what you've done your whole life. Would just
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: compete your tail off and go play the game of
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: football that you know how to play. And now, yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: you have a lot more work during the week than
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I would have because you had to study and you
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: gotta know all the formations, you gotta know all coverages,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: you gotta know what everyone's doing on the field. I
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: just had to worry about the defensive end, much easier.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: But here's the other thing, too, Tony.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: Once you arrived at you're all pro level, if you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: made a mistake.
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  Speaker 7: It was magnified. But everybody goes, oh, it's all you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: give upsack.
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  Speaker 5: But here he goes he's gonna go stone the guy
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: for the rest of the game. Whereas Trevor's at the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: point now despite the mega contract, where if he makes
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: a mistake. Everybody looks at it and says, here we go,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: he's gonna become that guy again. That's the difference.
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  Speaker 3: But here's what this is. How you treat it the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: same way, because it's the same thing. If you think
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: about it, it's all outside noise, it's all outsider.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: Saying, but it's internal hold on.
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  Speaker 3: That's why you can't let it be.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: What it clearly is. Now we both agree on.
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  Speaker 3: That's my point. I agree with you. You can't allow that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: And there were times in my career like you have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: a bad game or something, I have to fight it,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: like that's not who I am.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, one one thing we do and I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: touched on a little bit development of the player.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: It's critical.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: It's in the same We had the excuse it was urban,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: the urban disaster. Then you get a coach in there.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: You're in the same system for three years, correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and he's not progressing. That's my concern.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I think maybe some of the outs maybe hurt him too,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: because it kept being oh, he has a new coach.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Oh it's the second year, and now we're a third year,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, he's saying any he's injured and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: now it's.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: Then, and then there's this this other part of it.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: Carson Wentz, Carson.
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  Speaker 3: Went found on that part.
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  Speaker 5: He got hurt, but he was on his way to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: being He was a high draft picks second overall, he
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: was gonna be an MVP.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: He was in the MV before he got hurt. He
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: was in the MVP cant he was in an MVP run.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: He came back and it just fell apart on him
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: and Doug Peterson was the head coach and the relationship
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: wasn't great and it was frayed and for whatever reason,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know the ends of it, but I know
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: there wasn't It wasn't warm and fuzzy, and Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 5: has never ever ever been the same ever. Now, the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: injury could be a factor in there, and Trevor's been
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: hurt too, But when you was there, development there no
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: after the factor was not anymore development, And that's where
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned about it.
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  Speaker 7: That's my concern.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: You're in an office for three years, you're supposed to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: have development. There's no development. And it's not just him.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of guys that don't get better. That's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: my concern with this team.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk more about development coming up. We
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: will keep it real as well here on the second
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: hour of Jaguars Happy Hour, represented by mister Tubby's Wings.
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  Speaker 9: The dasy for us as coaches to criticize the negative,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: even as reporters. It's easy to criticize the negative, right,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: It's hard to find the positive when things are bad.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just kind of human nature. I personally.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: Try to find the good in everything because if I don't,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 9: then I'm always the Debbie Downer. I'm always the negative one,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: and I don't want to be the negative one. I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 9: will still hold them accountable. I will still hold my
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: coaches accountable. I'll hold myself accountable. But at the same time,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: I better come Wednesday make them feel.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: Like they could run through that wall. Right, that's my job.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: That's part of my job.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: So I don't necessarily back away. I don't necessarily have
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: to raise my voice and yell and scream, but I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: think you can. You can get your message across where
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: they understand where you're coming from and what we need
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: to do moving forward.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Ted coach Doug Peterson speaking a couple of hours ago today,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: a different tone than what we heard from him after
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: the game. He's trying to focus on the positives. As
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, Tony, you said, a lot of mentality is
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: going out there playing free, not being burdened by the negatives.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: How's the team going to do that as a whole.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we'll tag We'll keep it real. In
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: the second here, Pete, we talked about Trevor and I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: want to tag it with this, And I think this
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: goes for every position, first and foremost. I was not
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: trying to compare the left tackle of a quarterback two
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: different positions, but the mentality as a professional sport or
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: athlete and to be great at anything, I think is consistent.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: And Pete, you've been around a lot of really high
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: end professional football players and a lot of high end quarterbacks,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: and I allays speak to the quarterbacks. There's something about
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: every good or great quarterback that is common. There's a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: little bit of you know, you can kiss it where
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: the sun doesn't shine if you don't mind. Like there's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: a little bit of arrogance and confidence of like no
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: matter what, like they just think they're a bulletproof. You
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: kind of need it, and like, and I think to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: be good you need a little bit of that of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: that self confidence arrogance, and you almost have to say
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: is like, you know what, I don't really care what
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: you think. Like I'm good and I'm gonna go execute.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: And like there's a little bit of that swagger and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Trevor needs to find that somewhere because I don't think
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: you can play the position. I don't think you play
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: any position, but especially quarterback unless you have that little
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: bit of like, yeah, you gotta kiss it, you know.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: I just I mean, you've been around a lot of them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's like they walk into the huddle and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: they walk into the huddle and they say, it's my
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: damn huddle, Shut.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: The hell up, We're gonna do this and we're gonna go.
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  Speaker 5: Is the swagger, it's the attitude, It's the it's the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: I'm it, you're right, It's the it's the it factor.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: And you know, it's funny because in the draft process,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: I've I've done this for so long and I always
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: like to watch the tapes of the guys talking at
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: the draft the combine, and and this year I got
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: a chance to. I watched all the interviews with the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: cut with the guys, and I came away from it,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: and then I had my ideas on who I liked
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: as a player. But I came away from it and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: I said, Jayden Daniels has it.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: And you don't know what it is hard to qualify
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: what it is. You just know what it is. You
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: know what I mean.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: When he walked, you can tell he's the guy, the swagger,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: the mentality, the belief in himself that not going to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: be phased by the mistakes, and he does have it.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: And I think Trevor's looking for it now. You can't
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: manufacture it. Success will help it.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, confidence helps it, and I think a little bit
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: of it is also Pete is, you know. And I'm
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: not a quarterback expert as far as technique and mccam
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: everything else. But my recommendation to him is, like, go
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: work on your mechanics on the field in practice, like
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: go do repid REPI reper repic, get confident, and then
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: when you go out there, just go play. Just be
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: that dude who just shows up, gets the hell, tells
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: everyone to shut up, get to the line of scrimmage,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: call the play and go go make it just and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: like if it doesn't work out, get them all back up.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Tell them the shut up again and get in the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: huddle and go do it again.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: By the way, a couple other quick things on Trevor.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: Everybody in the entire NFL would have drafted him first overall,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: so let's not criticize him for that. And b I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: was one of the biggest believers in him. I thought
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: he would be the MVP a year ago. I thought
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: he would throw thirty five touchdowns last year. I thought
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: he would throw thirty something this year. So I still
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: think it's there. I just think right now he's going
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: through something and he's got to get out of it,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: and they have to help him get out of it.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: They haven't developed them and so they have to help
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: them get out of it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, You guys always keep it real, but
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: we're gonna keep it real. Specifically switch at the defensive
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: side of the ball. We touched on it a little
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: bit earlier. The defense has been playing better at times
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: so far, but now Josh heinz Allen in the concussion protocol.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: The pass rush has not been there a ton without
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Josh heinz Allen. The concerns going forward, Pete, what do
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: they kind of do with that group right now? If
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Josh can't.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: Go, well, they have to find somebody. I mean they
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: have to go looking around for somebody, because if he
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: can't go, what ends do they have? They have none.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: They have Trayvon Walker, who I still think would be
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: a great down player on the inside and not really.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: I mean he's been good as an end, but I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: think he'd be a great three technique. They have Armstead
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: who is a three technique. Masquerating is an end. Roy
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: Robertson Harris is now masquerading is an end. They got
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: to manufacture.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: Stuff, and so I think that's a problem.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: If he can't play, a big problem. Then it compounded
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: by the fact that think about that, if he can't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: play this week, your mega defensive end who's been good
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: hadn't be great, your mega paid corner hadn't played, and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: your mega play paid quarterback isn't played very well. That
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: ain't a good look for the organization. So I think
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: if he doesn't go, they have major problems. And me
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: and Tony have talked about that.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: They don't have ends.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: There's no ends on the roster. Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I don't understand the decision process from camp, the cuts
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: to the building this roster of what they were doing
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: on defense in the front, the defensive line, like the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: eight defense tackles three true ends one a seventh round rookie.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: I just I don't have an answer for it. I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: don't understand it. But the you know, one of the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: bigger issues also in this defense, and everyone says, well,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: the defense is not given a bunch of points except
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: for Buffalo playing better and okay, but they also can't
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: get off the field.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in time of possession for the other teams.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: I mean so, like I was just looking it up,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: So time and possession this year, Miami had over thirty
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: three minutes, Cleveland had over thirty four, and that's one
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: of the worst offensives in the history of mankind. Buffalo
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: had over thirty one, and the only reason they had
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: more because in the second half they gave up and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: started playing backups. And the Texans had over thirty three.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Like we're not on the field, and that the defense
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: creates no turnovers because they don't get any pressure.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: They have none, right, No, until yep, only special teams turns.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Special team's got the muff and they don't get off
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: the fuck field.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: And so.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Where does the pass us come from? Without Josh. I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. Ryan Nilsen does not like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: the Blitz very much, but he might have to dial
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: with the blitz.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Is that something they can look into though, because I mean,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: we saw them they didn't want to do much zone.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: They saw them change a little bit batter.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Because they can't. They can't run with the guys.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: They can't. You want to play man to man cover,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: you gotta run a little bit.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: And you got to rush the passer. You got to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: get to the quarterback here and play me because you
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: only can run for so long.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: But okay, even in some scenario, in emergency scenario, maybe
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: you could put play Devin Lloyd as he's rushed something.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: There's an end in his career and college he did it,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: but he's not an end. It's just emergency types of
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: But he's not even healthy now. Anyways.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There's no simple answer to this because
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: with Josh healthy, they're not getting a ton of pressure
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: because no one's really winning inside. Roy had one good
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: on the stunt, so maybe they can do more stunts
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: more ts ET's three man games.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: They don't do a lot of that.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Eat No, that's what I'm saying, maybe you dial that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: up some.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: More, and and a lot of team you watch tape
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: Tony around the league, teams do that and that's how
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: they get home. Jacksonvill doesn't do it well if you watch.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: I thought we'd run a ton of games this week
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: because if you watch the Vikings on tape against the Texans, yep,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: they were absolutely killing that offensive line. And the offensive
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: line of the Texans is not great. They don't do
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: a good job in games. And they ran a bunch
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: of three man games Pete like ttes and they were
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: just gashing the Texans, getting all overj Stroud.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: But here's the other side of it.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: There are certain teams like the Vikings or the forty
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: nine ers where you can go get an end off
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: a scrap heap and put them in their defense and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: suddenly they become good rushers.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: Like I'll give you an example.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: The kid Patrick Jones from Pittsburgh is a decent player
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: from you know places for the Vikings in that defense,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: the way they attack and come after you and everything
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: he's getting to the quarterback.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Well, they run a lot of games. They get on
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: the edge and then you get confidence, you start getting going,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: you get the offensive line.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: Believe that these four can win one on one when
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: you put him.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: In a four man front, No, I don't.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: So they got to do something.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: So I think dial up the games. You're gonna have
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: to dial up a bunch of games, or you got
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: the blitzmore because I don't like I've seen zero evidence that,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: especially with no Josh in there, that they can just
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: rush for and win one on one battles. I have
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: not say one.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: Thing that a little bit flashes.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: I thought Mason Smith flashed a couple of plays yesterday. Okay,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: did you did you?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Did you?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: You know in the run game, I had a couple
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: of good jobs. You know there was a push on
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: one play where he looked like and then he's working
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: against a bad guard.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah the run game.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: Yes, But I think he's got a chance to be
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: a good player.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, do we have the pressure stats? How many
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: pressures did we even have? Yestualay, I didn't look. We
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: had one sack. I know that for some holds, so
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I was good.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I think they gave led better sack too, because it
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: was one two sacks.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: But even on that led better sack, I think that
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: was Mason Smith who pushed the pocket on that.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I think it was. It was like a group backer
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: because there's three of them. And then Roy got.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: The sack and he kind of got he kind of
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: come up the field a little bit. But but again,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: there's a guy who's young at least play. I mean,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: you know, we have any other guys, Tony. If they
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: don't have Josh Hindes Allen this week, what do they do?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: I got no answer for you.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: I hope Josh so Armstead will start at defensive end.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Is who else is gonna start? You're not gonna start
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: the rookie, rookie. The rookie hasn't even been active. That's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: why I go back to the I go back to
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: training camp. I don't understand why they traded Gibson.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: Gibson, but but isn't that amazing though? By the way,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: calebon Chason had two pressures yesterday.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I think for the just salt in the wound. I think, so,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: all right, guys, we're gonna hit the brake now.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: I got more.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Jay too fully started for the Bengals at defensive tackle.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: Quincy Williams was all over the field.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: We're going for stop this all right? When we return
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do Fanatics fan questions. I picked them out
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: for you guys. Jaguars Happy Are presented by mister Chubby's Wings.
• 1:15:51
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• 1:15:55
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  Speaker 2: we already talked about, so I'm gonna skip ahead. But
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  Speaker 2: why didn't we did touch on this? Why didn't the
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff take Tank out of the game after the
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  Speaker 2: big run? I heard Fred Taylor kind of weighing it
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  Speaker 2: on the postgame show. Totally he's the expert. Fred said,
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  Speaker 2: if you run six yards, I'm going to be tired.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought he was going to say you'd want
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  Speaker 2: to stay in, but he said he would understand if
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  Speaker 2: you soub someone out. I think probably because he was
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  Speaker 2: that guy getting after m J. D Ran and then
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  Speaker 2: he'd get the one yard touchdown probe.
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  Speaker 3: But also I think because I remember when Fred was
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  Speaker 3: younger and he got mad whenever they took him out
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  Speaker 3: of going with James Stewart, and I think Fred would
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  Speaker 3: have been say, waving off staun here, this is my touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I have to I'm gonna talk to
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  Speaker 3: Freddy this weekend, the alumni weekend, saying Fred, there's no
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  Speaker 3: chance if you were even the choice you were coming out.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a choice.
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  Speaker 5: He's still he's still angry about it, and the truth
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  Speaker 5: be known, him coming out on the goal line probably
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  Speaker 5: cost him a chance to be in the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think he gets in this yere pete no change.
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  Speaker 5: I hope he does. I hope. I've tried banging on
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  Speaker 5: these guys just like I did for you, and and
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting a lot of pushback.
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you get you know, you got the New
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  Speaker 5: York people that always pushed Tiki, So there's a whole
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  Speaker 5: block that pushes back on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you look at toll yards and yards
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  Speaker 3: were Carrio, it's not even not just that.
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  Speaker 5: Here's how you get to get the ultimate answer. Go
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  Speaker 5: ask Tom Coffin. He'll tell you who was better.
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  Speaker 2: That's absolutely special day. This Sunday too, we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: that as well. Coming up, all right, Doug says things
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  Speaker 2: like everything's on the table, But did you see any
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  Speaker 2: appreciable changes from week three to week four?
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  Speaker 5: Tony?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, they ran the ball, the concerted effort to
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  Speaker 3: run the ball more than they have you think, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: more than they half. I would have to go look
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  Speaker 3: at the exact attempts compared to passing attempts. No, I
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  Speaker 3: mean they ran war zone on defense, just game plan stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but same people. Uh, maybe a little bit more tank
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  Speaker 3: earlier than we'd seen in the past. Maybe that was
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  Speaker 3: because of the injury. They are starting a couple of
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  Speaker 3: deep shots.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, get Brian Thomas or some cats, a couple of
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  Speaker 5: shots Crossters and stuff. So I think that's good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is it a fine line coaching because you want to
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  Speaker 2: change things obviously you're not winning, but not completely switch
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  Speaker 2: up to the point where maybe players don't think you
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  Speaker 2: know what you're doing. Well.
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  Speaker 3: I think Doug said something that I agree with a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to be negative and if you just read
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  Speaker 3: the X and I know we're not gonna get him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean everyone got fired to day X.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we're off.
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  Speaker 3: Dog got fired, Trevor Press, the Trent shot got fired.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know how you fire the owner.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't do that. But everyone got fired.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what happens when you're losing. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: happens because it's so easy to be negative, and as
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  Speaker 3: a coach, you gotta look at it and say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: let me take a step back. If I just go
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  Speaker 3: in and make wholesale changes, I'm gonna lose any credibility.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what are people think I'm crazy?
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  Speaker 5: And I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember who said this, but Pete you'll probably
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  Speaker 3: you'll remember. But as soon as you start listening to
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  Speaker 3: the fans, you might as well go sit with the
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  Speaker 3: fans or there's some quote like that. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's where you're gonna be. I think John Madden said it.
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  Speaker 3: And not that the fans, you know, aren't. We have
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  Speaker 3: very smart fans, but they're passionate and.
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  Speaker 2: When you lose, they're they're justifying what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not. They're very they're good questions, good con like.
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  Speaker 3: But when we're winning, everything's perfect. Everyone's a superstar, like.
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  Speaker 2: You can ask you win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have these extremes. And the job of a
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  Speaker 3: coach and a leader is to be able to step
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  Speaker 3: back when it's bad. Okay, we're the slight adjustments. How
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  Speaker 3: can I put people in better positions? What can we
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  Speaker 3: give success? And just as important, maybe more important, when
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  Speaker 3: you're winning, Hey, litten, get too full of ourselves, Like,
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  Speaker 3: here's some mistakes. This is where we need to get better.
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  Speaker 3: And so I don't think wholesale changes is the right
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  Speaker 3: thing in the season. You make those wholesale changes in
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  Speaker 3: the off season, in training, cap you work on things,
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  Speaker 3: you find out what you're good at, you find out
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  Speaker 3: here they.
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  Speaker 5: Keep going in this direction. They'll be making wholesale changes
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  Speaker 5: after the season.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I said, that's when you make those changes
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  Speaker 3: in the off season.
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  Speaker 7: By the way, real quickly.
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  Speaker 5: The owner saying what he said before the season about
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  Speaker 5: this being the most talented team that puts a bullseye
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  Speaker 5: on the A on the coaching staff, and it kind
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  Speaker 5: of takes the GM off the hook a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: But now as we look at it, I think they're
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  Speaker 5: both both in trouble. But I mean him saying that
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  Speaker 5: that's where the fans rat is coming from.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the I'm pretty sure. And I had a
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  Speaker 3: conversation this weekend about this because a lot has been
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  Speaker 3: made about that, and people on X have said, you
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  Speaker 3: know about the teams I played on, and Seth Payne
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  Speaker 3: had something funny, you know, on there this weekend. I
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  Speaker 3: think what Shod was referring to is the best team
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  Speaker 3: since he's been the owner. I don't think I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying I agree with him. I'm just saying, to be
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  Speaker 3: fair though, to Shod, I don't think Shod was saying
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  Speaker 3: back to nineteen ninety five. I mean, Shot, he would
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  Speaker 3: have no context. I mean, like, my guess is he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a Jaguar fan, you know, in uh uh, living
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  Speaker 3: in Illinois or Chicago and then back and forth.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the best team that he's had since he's
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  Speaker 7: been here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why what he was saying is the best
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  Speaker 3: team since he's been here. Now, I could argue the
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  Speaker 3: seventeen team was better just because that defense had I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Klay's Campbell's probably Hall of Fame or Jalen Ramsey is
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  Speaker 3: one of the best corners in the football. You set
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  Speaker 3: sack records, in turnovers and everything else. So like I
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  Speaker 3: would probably disagree with him, but it's not. It's not
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  Speaker 3: an outrageous statement, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's a motivator. He goes in there, he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to use as a motivation it.
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  Speaker 7: All it does is set him. It sets them up though.
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  Speaker 7: It sets them up.
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  Speaker 5: Now the coach is on the hot seat. If if
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  Speaker 5: he wasn't on the hot seat, his seat is seering
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  Speaker 5: right now. And here's the other part of it. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you're talking about this the fans. Guy, here's the fans.
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  Speaker 10: They thought that quarterback cured all their misery for the
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  Speaker 10: next decade and a half, and here you are three
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  Speaker 10: years into it, and you're still the same miserable fan base.
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  Speaker 7: That's where there agony for you. For you, but that's
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  Speaker 7: where your agony is.
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  Speaker 5: That's where it's well it's not quite for it's the
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  Speaker 5: fourth year, but this is where your agony is coming from.
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  Speaker 7: That's why there is an angry and they have a
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  Speaker 7: right to be.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I don't I would not have said the statement.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was because I don't think there's
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  Speaker 3: any upside for shod to say it, because what's upside
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  Speaker 3: if you win?
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  Speaker 2: If you prove the point, it's like, oh, I set
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  Speaker 2: it first.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like so, I'm not whether he should have said or not.
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  Speaker 3: That's not I'm not a communications expert. It's not my
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  Speaker 3: you know, lane to working. But I do think it's
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  Speaker 3: fair because I've seen enough on x now that he
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  Speaker 3: was not referring to the history of the franchise.
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  Speaker 5: I think, no, you're.
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  Speaker 7: Right, not he doesn't know the history.
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  Speaker 5: But even doing that, you know what that does, and
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  Speaker 5: you know you've been around the NFL a long time.
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  Speaker 5: It causes a split that's naturally there anyways between front
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  Speaker 5: office and coach. If the team is that talented and
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  Speaker 5: they're not winning, oh that's the coach's fault. If the team,
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  Speaker 5: If you don't understand what I'm saying. But those are
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  Speaker 5: gigantic in this business.
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  Speaker 3: They are. But I'll say this and let me speak.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not so this next comment, I'm taking the Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: organization out of the picture. This is a general NFL pete.
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  Speaker 3: My experience is the teams that have success, the GM
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  Speaker 3: and the head coach are on the same page. Correct
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  Speaker 3: it's the teams that don't correct where they're not where
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  Speaker 3: they're pointing fingers and they're divided. Because I'm a I'm
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  Speaker 3: a firm believer. The coach's job. I'm not speaking about Jacks.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying general NFL. It's the coaching staff to say,
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  Speaker 3: this is the type of team, this is the type
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  Speaker 3: of offense, type of defense we want to play. These
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  Speaker 3: are the type of players that we need to be successful.
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  Speaker 3: Their job is to coach and develop those players and
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  Speaker 3: to communicate to the front office is this is the
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  Speaker 3: style of football we want to play, and so we
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  Speaker 3: need these type of players. This body type this, you know,
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  Speaker 3: offensive line like this, the line like this, corners, whatever
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  Speaker 3: it is. And then it's the front office. The GM's
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  Speaker 3: job in the scouts is to go get the type
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  Speaker 3: of players, the most talented players that fit that makeup
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  Speaker 3: that the coaching staff is described based on the style
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  Speaker 3: of football they want to play, and then they go
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  Speaker 3: to deliver those players.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, do you think do you think and that's how
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  Speaker 7: I think. No, I mean asked this question because I
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  Speaker 7: don't think it is. I'll be the first one to
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  Speaker 7: say it.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think that's how you don't think that's how
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  Speaker 3: you do it.
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  Speaker 7: That's exactly how you know it.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think they're warm and fuzzy together in
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  Speaker 5: that building.
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  Speaker 3: I am not privy. I'm not here enough, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: in the meetings. I don't I have never won your things, Pete.
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  Speaker 3: I have never once sat in the same room and
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  Speaker 3: had a conversation with Doug Peterson and Trent Balking. So
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  Speaker 3: I am not going to weigh in on rumors and
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  Speaker 3: in things that you know I might hear. Well, you can't,
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  Speaker 3: you you, But Pete, in fairness, you have a better
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  Speaker 3: ear around the league of what is said.
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  Speaker 5: And and yes, and from what you hear, it's not
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  Speaker 5: warmon it's not warm and fuzzy.
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  Speaker 7: It's not that they're at each other's throat.
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  Speaker 5: But when things start going bad, people blame each other.
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  Speaker 7: They look to blame.
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  Speaker 3: Not in a healthy organization, they don't, Pete, that's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm gonna give you an example.
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  Speaker 5: Rick Spielman works with me and and Rick was the
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  Speaker 5: longtime GM of the Vikings and Mike Zimmer was his
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  Speaker 5: longtime coach. A couple of weeks ago, Mike Zimmer came
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  Speaker 5: out and Mike Zimmer always wanted a certain style player.
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  Speaker 5: He wanted this player, give him that player. If he
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  Speaker 5: didn't make it, he blamed the GM. And Mike Zimmer
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  Speaker 5: came out and ripped Rick Spielman publicly for some of
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  Speaker 5: the draft picks that he had. So that was simmering
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  Speaker 5: the entire time he was there. There's always gonna be
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  Speaker 5: And you're right though, the good organizations don't let the
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  Speaker 5: ego get in the way. But you know how this is.
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  Speaker 5: When a GM picks a player, if the player doesn't develop,
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  Speaker 5: he blames the coach. If the GM picks a player
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  Speaker 5: and the player doesn't develop, the coach says the player.
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  Speaker 7: Wasn't good enough.
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  Speaker 5: And next thing you know, you got the two egos
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  Speaker 5: bouncing the heads against each other and getting into it.
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  Speaker 5: You don't give me enough players, you don't coach him
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  Speaker 5: well enough.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't allow that.
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  Speaker 7: No, but that you know what they all need to do, Tony.
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  Speaker 5: They all need to look in the mirror and say,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, I'm making six seven million dollars a
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  Speaker 5: year a being the general manager, be coaching football. We
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  Speaker 5: shouldn't allow our egos to get in the way of
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  Speaker 5: this thing. Let's work together.
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  Speaker 3: And the successful organizations and the right leaders don't because
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the way a functional
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  Speaker 3: team an organization. This is for business football. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care what it is. You're all in it together. Guess
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  Speaker 3: what if we picked this guy, we're all stacking hands.
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  Speaker 3: We picked them together.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: It's your job to develop. It's not my job to coach.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm the GM, and if i'm the coach, my
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  Speaker 3: job is to describe it. And yep, I like, okay, good,
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  Speaker 3: we're in this on the same page. Let's go. And
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: if it doesn't work, you both look at each other like,
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  Speaker 3: well we missed on that one. Let's move on. Let's
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: keep going. And you know what if it doesn't work,
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  Speaker 3: Oltimately you're in it together. You get fired together, you
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  Speaker 3: win together.
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  Speaker 5: I mean but what you get fired together unless one
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  Speaker 5: takes the other one out first.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's the problem, Pete, and you what you've described,
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  Speaker 3: and again I'm taking this organization off the table. What
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  Speaker 3: you've described is a plague in this league of why
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: teams do not have success.
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  Speaker 2: And we see a lot of turnover in both those positions.
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  Speaker 3: Question, Pete, the Balpona Ravens have been pretty successful for
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  Speaker 3: a long time consistently. Ever heard of any one point fingers.
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  Speaker 5: Up there No Crista Costa and before him news get
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  Speaker 5: along with the coaches.
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  Speaker 3: How about Pittsburgh?
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  Speaker 7: How about Kansas City?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: Kansas City?
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  Speaker 5: No, Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 5: San Francisco doesn't really have a general member, but.
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  Speaker 3: They you hear anything out of San Francisco.
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  Speaker 5: No, because they get along. Well, they disagree sometimes, but
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: they do get along. But that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: They disagree. I'll give you a perpose. San Francis was
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: a great example. They picked Trey Lance third overall, he
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  Speaker 3: was a boss. They traded him two years later.
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  Speaker 2: And they came out of it, and you didn't hear one.
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  Speaker 3: Thing out of that organization of Lynch Blaman Kyle or
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  Speaker 3: Kyle blame Lynch. Not help that they've got a lucky
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  Speaker 3: got the seventh thread, It's got a lot with the
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  Speaker 3: last bet. I mean that helps. But my point is
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  Speaker 3: successful organizations, football, teams, businesses, families, I don't care what
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  Speaker 3: it is. If you're not all in it together, working
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  Speaker 3: for the same goal, understanding what your role is in
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: that organization, then you're not gonna have success long term
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: because Pete Wright. The egos, it's all about me. What's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: in it for me? Me, me, me, me, the culture
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  Speaker 3: of me, And you can't have that if you want
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  Speaker 3: to be successful, you just can't.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's a history.
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  Speaker 2: Team sport, guys, We've got to do this all together.
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  Speaker 2: That was Jaguars fan questions. I'm sure you guys got
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• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: available inventory. Go Jags, all right, Jags still looking for
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  Speaker 2: their first win. Let's look around the NFL as well.
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  Speaker 2: Cowboys and Giants on Thursday, your typical Thursday night game.
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  Speaker 2: Not good there, Bengals were winless, but they got to
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  Speaker 2: win over the Panthers this week. Pete, which one of
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  Speaker 2: any games that stood out to you on Sunday? I'll
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  Speaker 2: go through some of these scores, but anyone that you were.
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  Speaker 7: Watching, Yeah, well, I mean we watched them all.
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  Speaker 5: We send a screen room. But one of the games
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  Speaker 5: that the Colts won a game with Joe Flacco coming
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  Speaker 5: off the bench. And I know Jacksonville plays them this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ed that hurts, Peter.
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  Speaker 5: Jacksonville has a history of beating the Colts up in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 7: But would you rather play Joe Flacco? We see.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny you bring that up because Kain and
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  Speaker 3: I talked about it. We talked abound the bus last
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  Speaker 3: night when we heard I'd rather play Anthony Richardson.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course you would.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, the receivers look so happy on Sunday,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you look, Anthony richards is a kid.
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  Speaker 7: He could develop, but he's not. He can't.
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  Speaker 5: He's completing under fifty percent of his passes and Joe
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  Speaker 5: Flacker goes in there and Michael Pittman goes for over
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  Speaker 5: one hundred. He was happy.
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  Speaker 7: So, yeah, you'd rather play Anthony Richardson than Joe Flack.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you think they play this week?
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  Speaker 5: Well, they say his hip pointer is not that bad,
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  Speaker 5: so we'll see, we'll see, We'll.
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  Speaker 2: See if it flares up later in the week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's one thing that if he if they do
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  Speaker 3: start Anthony Richardson, you want to tackle him like gently
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  Speaker 3: so he stays there. Yes, remember it was a number
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  Speaker 3: of years ago, Pete, I can't remember. You probably remember this.
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  Speaker 3: We're playing the Titans and Mariota had gotten demoted to
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  Speaker 3: the backup and I can't remember who the starter was,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: but we knocked him out early in the game, and
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  Speaker 3: then Mariota came in and just ran all over us, Roger,
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  Speaker 3: and they ended up beating us because of Mariota. I'm like, yeah, Allie,
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  Speaker 3: I wish.
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  Speaker 5: You would sink really did some good things.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good quarterback, knows how to win. He's won
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  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl last year.
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  Speaker 5: Baltimore got right last night too. That was impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Also getting about that guy, Well, we looked like on
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Monday Night football and then the Bills go to Baltimore
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  Speaker 2: and you see that, Well, we don't have to play Baltimore.
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  Speaker 2: You know that.
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  Speaker 7: It's also the NFL want to parody the Bills.
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  Speaker 5: Short week for the Bills out on the road against
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  Speaker 5: a team that's you know, back room.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's tough and they had to win.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, week to week.
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  Speaker 2: How about that Broncos Jets? Did you watch that, Pete?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: It rained, But the Jets have problems.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we talk about you talk about the Texans
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  Speaker 5: with their mistakes.
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  Speaker 7: The Jets make tons of mistakes, tons of them.
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  Speaker 5: And internally, what's that?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: What's with Aaron Rodgers and Robert Solid Pete?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think. I think that's a little frosty
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  Speaker 7: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I saw after the after the push tug, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I know there's something.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't you know what Robert. You know he
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: was in Jackson. You know, I ert Robert pays attention
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  Speaker 5: to too much of the outside noise, if you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean. He listened, he gets he's got to
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  Speaker 5: put that away.
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  Speaker 2: Pete. Commander's forty two fourteen over the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 5: It's real. The kids is the real deal. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he is it. He is it. I say this all
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  Speaker 5: the time when I talk about him too. He went
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  Speaker 5: to Arizona State. He wasn't very good as the freshman.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: He is the most improved player I've ever seen in
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  Speaker 5: my life. And I mean that, and he works supposedly, Tony,
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  Speaker 5: He's the first one in and the last one out
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  Speaker 5: loves it, lives it and has the swagger. It's exactly
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: what you want a quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: So he only went and spent one year at LSU. Right,
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  Speaker 3: Pete was last year?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, well, how did you guys not win with him?
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  Speaker 5: And you know who else was on that team at
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: one point, Ricky Piersoll, Brandon Ay.
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  Speaker 3: Johnny how he was not good?
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  Speaker 5: Why herm was coaching them? And they never have offensive lineman.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: You know that you've been around you you played again.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: They never have big, physical offensive linemen.
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  Speaker 3: Goes back to my point. You build build the team
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  Speaker 3: inside out. Once you have a quarterback inside out.
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  Speaker 2: Pete Bears got their first win to Caleb Williams. How
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  Speaker 2: did he look to you?
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  Speaker 7: Sorry? He's getting better?
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  Speaker 8: You know?
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  Speaker 5: The Rams are so undermanned though, I mean the they
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: didn't for all the talk of how great he was
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  Speaker 5: on Sunday, theydn't put up a lot of points though
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: against the Rams team that came in give it up
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: more twenty plus pass plays than any team in the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: league because they're so banged up on defense. By the way,
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  Speaker 5: the two Florida State kids on the Rams, they're gonna
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: be really good both Fisk and U and Verse, they're
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: gonna be really good.
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  Speaker 2: Verse.
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  Speaker 3: That Bears defense is pretty good too, isn't it.
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  Speaker 5: Pete really good?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be a tough game. And yeah in London.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, do the Titans get their first win tonight? Anybody,
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  Speaker 2: any takers?
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  Speaker 5: I think that.
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  Speaker 7: I think the Titans win.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Titans win. Do you really?
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Huntley is starting for the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't not the answer.
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  Speaker 7: I'll take his man.
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  Speaker 5: Levis has actually played pretty good except for his dumb mistakes.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: If he doesn't make a dumb mistake, he's gonna play well.
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  Speaker 5: And remember he beat them last year in Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Ky, are you gonna try to shot at the
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Monday Night inture like Jack? Yeah, take a shot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go for it. Monday Night Football, We have a
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  Speaker 2: doubleheader coming your way. We start out in South Florida
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  Speaker 2: with two teams desperate for a win. Tyler Huntley starting
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: for the Dolphins and the Titans, the only other winless
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: team in football. Kickoff at seven thirty five. The late
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: game head north to the Motor City as the undefeated
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Seahawks head to town looking for an upset over the Lions.
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  Speaker 2: Who you got.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Well done, guy, well done. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: Lions over Seahawks, and uh, I'm gonna go with the Titans.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Dolphins have issues across the board.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they should have lost to the Jaguars. That
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  Speaker 5: tells you all the issues they I'll take the Titans
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  Speaker 5: and I'm gonna take the Lions as well. I think
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: the Lions. Look, the Seahawks are three and zero. They
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: beat Bo Knicks in his first start at home. They
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: beat Twuillis Dolphins last week, and they beat the Patriots
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: on the road. That's their three wins.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I actually think the Lions hang a
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: pretty good number on them.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we do want to quickly mention special game
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: this week week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, alumni weekend. All the guys we back. Would be
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun to see everybody. But most importantly,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: we are honoring and putting the architect of this franchise
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: from the beginning and the head coach of the original team,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: Tom Coughlin, two times Super Bowl champ and one of
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: the greatest coaches ever played walk the sidelines, will be
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. One Pro Football Hall of
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Fame one day, yes, and looking forward to seeing his
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: name up on the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: That ceremony is going to be at halftime.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to be a big moment before we go. JP,
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  Speaker 5: who let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, gentlemen. Kay Nannie Stevens filling in
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  Speaker 2: for JP. Shader, Tony Viselli, Pete Prisco, everyone behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: Love it in Unhappy Hour. We'll see you next week.