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Panthers work on the blueprint before start of the season! · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't want to... Shut the hell up!
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lot more of that shit going forward.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Well Greg, I owe you all a hundred dollars.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Panthers work on the blueprint before the start of the season and that blueprint dealt with the Panthers all season moves and it was all defensive focused.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: And boy, I tell you, I don't know how to get every now and then.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: I actually may get excited about some changes that are happening to the Carolina Panthers and thinking about a defense that's renewed potentially rejuvenated and making a difference makes me excited.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm excited to be here on a Tuesday night.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: As we chop up the latest Panthers news and opinions from the fan perspective on the C-three Panthers podcast, we do it each and every week.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: And I do it with my wheel, man.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody Lack, how are you, my friend?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Tony Dunn, there's nowhere to be on a Tuesday night and sitting here with my boys talking panther football.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: For getting my microphone issues, we got some radio details going on.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get you figured out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But happy to be here with your boys.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a ton to talk about, but you know, we'll find a way to have some great conversations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Young and the offense have been working out together and training with one another.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's really cool.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Ted, don't run on mid-millions already.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Making some really cool, one-handed catches.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: NFL.com ranked true about Harvard.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about his number and what did they rank him and just some overall season matchups that we're going to be looking forward to as we scoured this defense and of course not been getting all of your reaction to the Panthers blueprint which we have not gotten yet we got on the for you for all but we haven't gotten gotten from your Tony and you see a cam happy for that
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know we would never do this show without the most badass Panther fans in all of YouTube.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know I'm a love of Miss Brandon Malone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The brand damn bastard or diesel skills for a city, a hoodie, Harvey London.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: John B. Jenkins, what's our brother?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big fish.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Pantheon out, seventy-three, and V.R.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the hope dealer, Tony Donn, and to her, but to do her brother, let's roll.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: The numbers two five two two two eight fifty ninety eight that's two five two two eight fifty ninety eight.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: See K we are close to actual football happening on Thursday July twenty first at eight p.m.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: We're going to have the Hall of Fame game where we will get the preseason started off with the lead Los Angeles chargers into Detroit Lions to juggernauts of the teams.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: The chargers.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Really making a giant plot push with.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Harba j on
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Jim john john harba always get the damn it's like every time robber jim harba mr. khaki pants himself really took that team a lot farther than many people predicted and really each that was associated with the Carolina Panthers a lot of us were excited about having him
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  [SPEAKER_10]: be a cultural turnaround, but instead we got the young beautiful Dave Canales just like we've got the gold and beautiful pipes of CK and the house, how you doing my friend.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Brother, I'm just happy again two weeks before Panthers players report to training camp.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That means we are moments away from actual real football.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now listen, I know the Hall of Fame game is not
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  [SPEAKER_02]: football that we are used to having at a high level, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Make sense.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But it is the first step to feeling like we're back to some sense of normalcy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited that we have some things to talk about and I talked about it in our chat.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost serendipitous, if you will, that the veterans report to training camp on a Tuesday, exactly two weeks from this very moment.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: excited.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that is wonderful.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: In fact, you know what Tuesdays are a big day, not only because of C three play at Thursday's podcast, but the third Tuesday of each month will be given away a Panthers swag bag right gift basket Cody hit me at the full highlight right here.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: No doubt we'll be doing those the third week and last week I was to clarify I think I said we're gonna be doing it given away this week but I'm as miscounting the weeks because I was counting from when I started to give away the third Tuesday of each month make sure you subscribe smash thumbs up button follow us on all the avenues but most importantly be a friend tell a friend Cody lack tonight show the blueprint and it was they said building the roster
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: But you know what?
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  [SPEAKER_10]: All they talked about was the defense.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: And in twenty twenty fours off season, the Panthers only addressed it seemed like.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: We're made a giant focus on rebuilding the or building a wall for Bryce Young and trying to bolster that offense and given that guy a chance.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: Now, it didn't really work in the beginning.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, the offensive line did.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: But the Panthers offense didn't start cooking or at least looking good towards the back in the season.
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: But the Panthers defense was historically bad.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: And really, the administration, the leadership, they knew it.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: But one of the things here, I think the first thing that stuck out to me in this blueprint was there was not blame placed on W.E.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: Everett would zero like it and not that like it wasn't like oh we could have done better.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: It really felt like I mean maybe I mean obviously this is a piece of Panthers propaganda like they're not gonna portray anything like but it was really like we need better talent we need better horses in the stable.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that was it was about going and getting guys that they knew where the true deficiency lied and not only was it just on defense, but from the beginning it seemed to be every aspect was improving that run defense.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: You guys just thought on how the blueprint and the building the roster and then we can get into the details of each component of it.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you might go first, you can't ask me to argue, reacted to this hard Friday, let me get your thoughts on opinions.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I listen, I hate felt like it was a lot less.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it didn't feel, it felt like more propaganda than it did last time they did a blueprint to me.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I mean by that is it just didn't feel, it felt like there were some forced things.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I just didn't feel like it was as revealing as you would have liked.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: like when we talk about how to handle the draft and all that stuff that was like one you like you saw some behind the scenes stuff and all that stuff and this was really just guys talking.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there were some cool parts but for the most part I thought this was to Cody's point.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe Cody's point.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was, I mean, or was he telling you talking about it?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really have a lot of an impact or a lot of a
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  [SPEAKER_02]: a blame put on Evaro.
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: You know, you're not going to blame, but it didn't feel like what they did was talk about how they failed last year.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, like obviously, they just knew the ways it really felt like it's this is like it's all about one improving this defense.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: and not just improving this defense in general, right?
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like it's like, oh, we just get every single component that they taught about from every player seem to deal with their ability to stop the run, whether it was interior tech or defensive past, I mean, the front for whatever we call them in the three four, right?
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  [SPEAKER_10]: The edge, the defensive tackles to line backers to when they taught about
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  [SPEAKER_10]: moring that they're adding every single thing came back to the need to be able to to improve and stopping the run.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: And there was zero.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Address of the offense in any capacity.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: So you're saying build.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's good.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That defense.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: That's good.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's good.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I felt like the last eight seconds.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I didn't watch the last two minutes of the show.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I'm telling you in ninety eight, if that was in it, it was there was less than three minutes left in the video.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, listen, they really don't have to say about how bad of zero or various defense was last year.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: All they have to do is talk about the players they sign.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you don't sign that many defensive players if you're a good on defense last year, but I do think that the overall theme of the defensive players that we signed was the same.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to be able to dish up the pocket if we're going to be able to take the ball away.
• 12:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I really, I was already excited about a bunch of the players that we signed in free agency, but really coming away from this blueprint, I feel like there was a consortium effort specifically to get these players.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I know we failed to get Milton Williams and then we ended up signing a tertiary award in Bobby Brown.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at the footage, they were talking about these guys at the combat.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So these are names.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are names that they had been pinpointing for a while.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And let's me know that they want more aggression that they want to be more physical at the point of attack.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they want to take the ball away.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of my favorite parts was when Turshan Warden, yeah, believe it was Turshan Warden and comes into the building and can now ask him, hey man, where is those super ball rings?
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And since we had to go win some more, and the crowd of them, I love the energy and the effort from these players that are already coming in.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like we got to know more about what they want to be on defense versus far more aggressive.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they literally had a whole segment on stopping the run.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So again, you already have to do this with the lines.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: All you have to do is read between the lines to know that the Panthers know they have to be a better defense in twenty twenty five.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: I like to like you said go and back to that moment at the combine.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: right and they're talking about what we're going to have dirt brown right like if you could have this this and these guys complimenting this could not only be run stopping but disruptive and my favorite part about it was and again we all know that this is um not propaganda it's theatrics it's cinema right cinema you know in the same way but then they the only part that I saw Brent Tillis
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: in the entire thing was I'm glad we could get who they wanted right like it was like you told us what you were looking for and we have input on it right it wasn't like they just said Dave can Alice what do you want we just go get them because they were like hey Dan Morgan knows linebackers better than anybody this is that it really I mean I don't know maybe it's just Dave can Alice's personality maybe it's Dan Morgan and these guys they really do seem to be working
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: like buddies working together rather than trying to earn respect for each other, smart their territory and things like this.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: But they spoke highly of some players, particularly Bobby Brown in ways that maybe fans hadn't talked about them, talking about him, right?
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I was hype on them, right?
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like not only
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: Do you remember what I did that whole bit on how we had the man in the mirror?
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like we did the all the nineties like hits from these guys that we have these cool names on the team, but you know, it's like they talked about how he got better and better throughout the season and Dave canal is highlighted.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: He said he's twenty five years old and I like whoever it was just sitting there eating like those tacos beside them who I have no idea who that guy was and he's like
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: He said this one thing that I say all the time, because Dave can else just like, it's like getting one of them.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's like, but yeah, it takes a long time for them to acclimate.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: And so you're getting that guy who's already had that you're not getting a finished product in a sense when you get a rookie on to the team.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: It really was exciting about those guys.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: They did not hate highlight that Milton
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: What's his name?
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  [SPEAKER_10]: Milton Williams.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Milton Williams.
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that they didn't because we don't want it to seem like all these are just the best of the rest.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I really don't feel like that's how it was.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, also giving a little bit more insight.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, they have to be signed the guys.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We all do our own research and look at what these guys do and their film.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But really showing really in depth as to why they wanted them specifically.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned Bobby Brown.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They mentioned how many positions he's capable of playing along the day like that position.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Versatility was very important to them.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that also was echoed and traveled on board.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: The safety that we signed as well.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has the ability to blitz off the edge to the point where they even mentioned him, but tertiary on board and they're at Brown.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of how they're playing on getting into the backfield, but also his ability to drop back in coverage and make players like a true blowhawking for safety should be.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: Or no, the strong safety.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, he's going to play strong, right?
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: But they said that he wasn't limited to just being in the box, right?
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: They talked about his ability to play.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: like what I love about him and just looking at him Cody is he looks like a safety that would have been coveted ten years ago tall bit you know I mean like all these things and I don't know if I've been a combine warrior yeah I don't know if I've seen safeties in the last five years them going after these
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know, I don't know, he'd really look like a big fucking dude.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is, he's like six, two, six, three.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: So they're being, it was interesting.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's going to be a good addition.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: They talked about how smart he was.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I really liked when double E said that we were looking at this guy when I was with the ramps.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: And he became the player we thought he could become, you know what I mean?
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: So that's another interesting part is these guys are bringing like when they're going into free agency, they're bringing in experiences or memories from when they were scouting these guys coming out of college.
• 18:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I have a hard time watching Evaro on the screen and really having any excitement whatsoever.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's part of the reason that this blueprint didn't really hit the way that I think the draft one did is, I don't know, I just don't really take a lot of what he says with a lot of
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know, value to be quite.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, you have a, um, um, it's not even a caution about him is right now is you have pegged him for being part of the problem, right?
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: And we're an impediment and impediment to what's going on.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: We're going to be talking about later in the show teams that have
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Defenses that have been historically bad.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: We got five defenses that we look at that in the last decade that have been really bad and have made significant turnaround.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: And one of the weird things about at CK that you're going to latch on right away is a lot of those turnaround came in with new coordinators.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also if you remember, CK had to end of the year last year,
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Canalis and Dan Morgan were pretty much willing to die on the sword of if Arrow did not have enough talent on this defense that we did not put enough around him so you know and look I mean there's a lot of folks
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: and panther fandom that echo your sentiment, okay?
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That like, why am I getting excited for this defensive coordinator who literally produced a defense that gave up the most points in NFL history?
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's definitely this era of seeing this believing, a lot of people want to see it in action before they get excited about it.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, when you look at now how many of these guys have familiarity with the zero,
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the Rosenblum linebacker that we drafted Bobby Brown has prepared the area with him a lot of these guys feel like a zero.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has a defense that can be productive and very good in the NFL if you give him the proper pieces.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was the point of this.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, Cody, I'd like to highlight too.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's go and highlight two comments from you.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll clear that.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are the hope dealers just getting their brown will stabilize the line.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big deal right there, right boys.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're they're found.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the centerpiece of everything we do.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: I want to highlight two comments.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think there's really two really good comments from ERHDMAX for L. So if we can hit his first comment, I'll actually I'll put him up.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: I got him.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: He says, how do you expect to have a good defense with shy total some backups and A-shon?
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: The D-line impacts every other level, mediocre linebackers and rookie playing behind a bad defensive line, mediocre, safety, et cetera.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: Nothing wrong with that comment right there, right?
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is talent on that defense was?
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: But was not even average, it was below, I mean, call it below, average was a problem, right?
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: They did, in a sense, go into the season, knowing that, right?
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: I can mean, or at least believing in those different things or whatever it may be.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then, actually before I move on from that comment, is I don't think anybody expected the Panthers defense to be good.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, like I don't think, and I think that's a fair, like nobody asked the defense to be good.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: It was just not to be abysmal, right?
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like is, I mean, you can in a sense you have some mediocre players, maybe not all mediocre players, and be not the worst you've ever seen in the world, right?
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like it was horrible, but then it goes on and says the people that think a scheme can make mediocre to bad players look good or delusional,
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I think, not only do I agree with the comments though, but really, I guess maybe what keeps me from being as sour on W is CK.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Not in the CK is not even being sour, it's just being
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Real.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Real.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it was like, this is just he's been order this defense.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's led this.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: There's two points.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was start with a one that makes me not have excitement about a giro ever, whatever, a giro ever is that his fingerprints were on this defense.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: But while they didn't go out and get him players, he made some real important decisions and those mediocre players that he went and got.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, like is that the shy total, you can go back and look at, he's bringing in guys from his experiences with the Rams.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: So like that was the only thing is that, yes, is they did tell him, they said, look, I'm sorry, your defense is going to be the sacrifice in twenty twenty four.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've got to get the offensive line ready.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: We're putting all in on that.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: You're going to have to make do.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: And what he then had influence on what he made do with.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: So it wasn't like you just gave him these shitty players entirely.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you're like, make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: He went bought some of the ingredients.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: You gave him a budget.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: He may have been on guy.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: What's that guy named guy?
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it was the guy, Gary.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, where you like,
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: in the the grocery store wars where they get like eight bucks.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, they gave him fourteen dollars, but they still had he picked some of the ingredients in that right now the one thing though that made me a little bit more optimistic CK about this video.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is that it really seems like he, the players they went and got were significantly different in the nature and style than the players.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: Sure, that he has picked like, and so we go like from the undersized defensive tackle shot total to now you're getting these big, mean mugs.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: So I hope that he maybe has learned from some of those descent, you know,
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, I understand that part of it.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just, again, it's, it's one of these things where we're two years in and we, I want to make this clear one of the things that was touted about him and you know, many people in C three would agree with this is that he would turn a mediocre defense into one that would be considered elite.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No matter what the talent was.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now that his superpower isn't really his superpower, what is his strength?
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where is his value coming from?
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because here's the deal.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we have to have great players everywhere across the defense for us to have an elite defense, then we're going to be right back in this same spot, and a matter of two years when we start having to lose players because they're so good we can't pay them.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is the benefit of a coach that I think can really brain players up and coach them into a lead play.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because without that, we're back at square one in just a year or two.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my issue.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want a coach that has no, at least for my experience,
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: as a Panthers fan who has not been able to elevate his players to a level of, you know, even average play, like that's the issue.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not, he's not even getting average play out of his players and that's a problem to me.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also remember to that you lose Derek Brown, right?
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a huge blow, but, you know,
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: say what you want about these players, but you lose Brian Burns, you lose Jeremy Shane, you lose Frankie, you lose boo.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not trying to make excuses for a barrel.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I'm like a lot of people.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a big believer in the Panthers running a three four.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't seem right to me.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so used to the best Panthers defenses being that big body for three defense.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if we're going to do this the right way you have to have players
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: that are built for this system, and for what we want to do.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a lot of people are right.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: None of these players are top name free agents.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there are no one's top name free agent list before free agency.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so I understand why people call it a list either.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're born at the top.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're born name value players that most casual NFL fans know.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think we had that we had too many needs to just go and get one big name right like you needed to get three people that are going to start not one big starter and then a bunch of other media players again here's here's my argument against this
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: His first year as a Panthers player, a head coach, a defensive coordinator, he had, he had Derek Brown the entire year.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had Brian Burns the entire year.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had, he had Lou, Lou, Lou, he had, he had corn for half the year, even though there might have been some injuries that wasn't nearly as bad as it was the year before.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we had, we had the pieces in many cases
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: that you're referring to.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this defense still was not good.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now arguments can be made that our offense didn't give them any help and things like that.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I'm not going to take that away from it, but we're at a point where we cannot continue the same place we were with with Bryce, right?
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot continue to make excuses with results not being on the table.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can argue all day that Brian that
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: in the league, the best people that are great coordinators.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care who you're.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the reality.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at what they were able to do in New England with Bill Bell
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was able to take in draft great players in the later rounds and develop them into great players, right?
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is what happened and that's why they maintain success along with the fact that they had, you know, obviously the greatest quarterback in the history of the NFL.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But even with that, they consistently had one of the best defenses in the entire league every single year.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you wouldn't go into that year, you wouldn't point to anybody on that defense that would be like, all these are going to be the greatest players in the history of the league, right?
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were coached into that.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm saying.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: He needs to blow it out of the water.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if we're an average defense next year, and it's like, okay, well, we saw improvement.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: We need to be a top ten defense.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: We need to be willing to accept him to stay around.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stick around.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: interesting discussion going on here on the C-III Panthers podcast the number's two five two two two eight fifty ninety eight don't forget to smash thumbs up but subscribe be a part of the show thank you for everybody in the chat what's Gucci G baby my bastard son in the chat as well thank you for all your input and some ways I agree in some ways I
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: in many ways I don't, right?
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: And what I'd say is, this is your three, right?
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: And like Jordan loves to say, it's a perfect year every year for the Carolina Panthers.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that is, it is a perfect year for W. E. Year one, we were both on the same page where lockstep that that defense was full-skilled.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: and it was not as good as many people wanted to make an argument for, but at the same time there were limitations of just a disaster of a situation with Frank Wright and all of that, right?
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: Year two, it was awful.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: There nobody can say anything other than that.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: It was an awful defense.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: It was an awful situation.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Year three is the one that we have, like it's like there's no
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've seen the best of the fake gold.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've seen the worst of the real shit.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like now we're going to see what the real thing is in many ways.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think the Panthers have to make the as big of a jump as you're saying to have that continued faith that you haven't that you need to scrap it and go forward.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I do think the Panthers have to do two things for this defense to for W to gain more confidence, particularly with me.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: or with us not needing to go a different direction.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: Not only do they need to make a significant improvement, we're talking being top twenty, right?
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I think how you make that increase or in that impact is important.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: So if we can see that improvement being made by some of the additions of the rookies and like this, we have some building blocks to go from eighteen to twelve next year.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: But if it's just like, oh, the free agents did it all.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: We don't really get to see anything.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: We made a difference.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if I'll be as optimistic going forward.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: We're going to be diving deep into how the Panthers can turn it around and what it's going to look like for their defense, also by comparing it to some past defenses that have been historically bad.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: and have improved going forward.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: But that is, let's go forward enough.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'll let not enough, but let's continue to go with the latest news and opinions on what's going on with the Panthers from the fan perspective.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody, what we got next.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, the PFF is predicting that Bryce Young would be a breakout player this year.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, they're not ultimately very high on the Carolina Panthers as a whole, but they do think that Bryce Young
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: could be a breakout player this year.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Bryce and the players themselves are lending to this.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce and Xavier look at it and Jimmy Horn Jr and Adam Taylor.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have been meeting up, putting in work, you know, getting the timings down, getting the rhythms down,
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now you're starting to see a lot of the high buildup, man, the guys are already getting together, trying to get on the same track, the same page.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of this writing on Bryce Young shoulder this year, you know, I know we can continue to talk about Bryce all the time, and why it wouldn't be right.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is a huge year for Bryce Young, and I feel like he knows that.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd like to see that he is using this time.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm literally, you know, about two weeks before training camp to get some work and with the boys.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Specifically Ted O'Reilly and McMillan who is out here making some bad ass one hand and catches already I feel I do site the excitement from both the fans and the media is already building up on the Carolina Panthers and that's normally something you don't see either it's the fans excited and the media is just trashing us
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: or pretty much that's it, right?
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's rarely ever seen fans end the media pumping up a team like the Panthers that was really bad the year before.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Bryce is definitely building a lot of anticipation for what he might be able to do in this all important third year.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: He has to do it.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: He has to do it or else not only are fans going to be asking questions about the future.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think the Panthers as a team are going to be asking how long can we continue to see how he develops.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I think all signs of part and point in the right direction, particularly
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: from the adversity faced, it faced the mental fortitude that he had in the face of that adversity and the improvement.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: What I think about this is, yes, I'm excited about seeing stuff like this, Cody.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: This is a mandatory for me, though.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like if you are Bryce Young and you are a guy who is top top pick traded, the future, you know, the franchise, all of this, the Panthers have invested in offensive line, going to get new weapons, you're trying to become the leader of the team.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm hanging out with my wide receivers.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm buying them gifts in a sense and saying, hey, we're taking them in retreat.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know, we're going to have the best dinners that, well, you know, maybe the best salmon you could have.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: And we're going to be doing stuff like this.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: for the publicity, but for the camaraderie, the development, and we don't have a choice, guys.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the idea is like, you, I mean, obviously, they don't have to do it, right?
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: No.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: But like, he's got to go on a, in command, respect and leadership, build that.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I think this is a way to do is like, hey, this is what we're doing, coming to my, whatever, Margot Logos or whatever, a resort, and let's do this.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: like whatever it is.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't even know, but like I would be like, hey, I mean, I am renting a house or a beach.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: You don't say it like, and I've got this.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're not giving him credit for doing extra credit anymore.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is mandatory.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You need to be out here throwing once you receive those because this is a maker blank here for everyone.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You see right here, man.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is also a part of the excitement.
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the second year in a row that we spent a first round pick on a wide receiver and when you see your man already making this one hand that catches jumping up in the air using that big body and that big frame to make things work.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a part of building that excitement and a lot of people are really pumped up about it.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't even think it's just throwing with the guys they're coding.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think it's about developing the confidence from those guys in you that you're ready to lead this team in the battle and that you are taking these steps.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's not, I mean, yes, those repetitions help.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: That familiarity helps, right?
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: But like, it's like, this is, I'm taking this initiative.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm leading us forward, not waiting for things just to get better.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what else is not waiting?
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce is young and Teddy Roe, I'm in Milan.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, the tent, I'm in Milan sat down with our very own Thomas Davis.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she said that him and Bryce are that they manifested this connection that they have going into the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in this process, did you feel like Carolina would be a real option for you?
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Carolina was an option.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, I did a formal, a formal visit with them at the combine, did a dirty visit.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like it was a real option after I threw a rice and then Cali at PDQB.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, is this or somebody, you know, everything just, it felt right growing up with him, just playing against him in high school, finally being able to catch the ball from him.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was just like, almost like we manifested something in the way.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like that's when I was like, oh, this could be an option for sure.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're saying that they manifested this.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is something that they felt needed to happen.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And look, you know, I know a lot of people are superstitious, some are not.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we have a bunch of people in the chat room like JD and she's baby predicting that a vice-gen can have their near four thousand
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: passing jars and of the optimism look I'm not here to tell them that they're all we need that kind of excitement going into this year and it should be that kind of excitement when you add to this roster in the ways that we have both on an offensive line to be able to run the football to be able to protect the quarterback but to give Bryce young the types of weapons that we never really gave Cam Newton
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when he was quarterback in the Carolina Panthers, so the excitement should be high.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've only got two calls, a queueed up in the cat calls.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: The numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety, eight, that's two, five, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety, eight.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody, why don't we go ahead and jump in and take those two calls so we can open up some space and case anybody else wants to get in on the conversation.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it the numbers two and five two two two ready fifty ninety So what do you thought it's on cat calling?
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty shit.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You shouldn't do that somebody and how did that make you feel?
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: Very uncomfortable.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: It feels good like
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see it on a playboard and play it out there.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: This ain't nobody, which I hope they'll check in a real quick.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, that was all right.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: Happy Tuesday.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, three weeks.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: Three weeks is some preseason football, baby.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's take off as July, thirty first, and I'm so excited, man.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: Get this thing going.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, I was thinking about something and I wanted to see which I thought so I may have already covered this, but I was thinking we're very strong, you know, with us having two thousand yard bags.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: and to the hub in a recoil battle.
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I was wondering, if we should, you know, really really lean into the run the first couple of games so Bryce can build up his confidence.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: I know by now he should have confidence, but I thought back to the route one last last year against, I believe it was the same.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: How Bryce is very first pass.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: The first point, again, the first pass was an intersection.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think that fit the toes.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just thinking, man, what I've had in such a heavy run game and that continuity with the online, you know, why not just have Bryce just be a game manager, just start out, just to start out.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: Think about drain when I heard.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I know obviously the type compare by showing the drain when I heard just for our specificality.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: But think about it right, Jane my heart.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: He don't really do a whole lot of rounds of battle.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: He really runs a lot.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: And he passes one of the necessary, there are looms inside of Ryan.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm just thinking, you know, I can't always say, if he does the same approach, man, it could probably do the dance.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, I'm excited about preseason football coming up.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, there's the hope no, everybody say hope about no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really do think so, man, and I feel like that is what the plan is.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Boys, when you invest so much on that offensive line, I mean, I do believe right now the Carolina Panthers still have the most Monday invested on the offensive line of India team in the NFL.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can run better be running in the football.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it really just spells itself out.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you know, I want to talk about that version of tech here later when we talk about where NFL dot com ranked to a Harvard amongst the starting and running backs in the NFL, but
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Going back to the Panthers blueprint, uh, C. K. and Tony, they talked about Rico doubtal, and I think that we forget that Rico doubtal himself was a one thousand yard running back himself last year for the Dallas Cowboys.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, we, Shuba Harvard, Rihodownl, you have probably the best offensive line going into the season that the Panthers have had in a long time.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a perfect example.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: When the hope dealer mentions the Philadelphia Eagles, because that is what they do with jail and hurts.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you have set coin, Barclay and offensive line like that, you're leaning into the run and you let the opportunities to pass the football
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: present themselves to you.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: As those defense starts to suck up into the box, load the box to try and stop that run.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when Bryce Jung and this offense need to be ready to cash them on some play action passes and get the ball to the receivers that you have added.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let the guy that we have on screen right now.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man, like I said, I believe that can now this wanted that bigger body and body receiver.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: type on his offense.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, okay, Matt Kaffin and Mike Evans, to be able to take advantage of those play action passes down with films.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great plan that the Panthers should absolutely utilize and I do think that they will.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's actually a pretty interesting position to move into the rankings of our running back one in NFL.com article.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you have that pulled up still?
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, yeah.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: And as we get that pulled up, I do think like as you look at a player in a sense, like Bryce Young, who is what they want, they asked him, remember, uh, Tepper referred to him as a point guard.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the distributor is that you also a lot of those players who have had a lot of success at quarterback being that.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, didn't warrant that from day one where they just come Tom Brady did just get out there and sling the ball forty times.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: from the very beginning of his career, right?
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like is he grew into that ability later on.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: So asking these guys to go out, I mean, look, we put Bryce in the shotgun, every play is rookie year, right?
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: We knew that was a mistake.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: And we saw a lot of success last year when they started to run him under center more.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: right and disguise.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: It just doesn't work in the NFL as much to just play out the shotgun and less you are such a seasoned experience person that you're the real threat from the beginning.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: The Panthers need to put him in a position to where he then his traits.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: can manifest into success.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: And he can become maybe that player later in his career where you're like, Hey, man, we can put Bryce out there and he can just dissect people from day one.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think it's unfair to put him in that position from day one, right?
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the ability to have a strong run game.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I don't remember the statistic Cody.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: But we saw it, I believe it was from last year, where it was like the Panthers just were in a poor position when they got to second down.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: It wasn't if they ran the ball or passed the ball.
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: But like you have to get to where you're in third down, where you're unlessed them for less than three yards.
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: But it was like the Panthers had like one of the lowest rates of like it progressively through each down, getting closer to that mark.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: So they had this percentage of where they were on second down and they still had six yards to get there to be in the third, you know, it could be second in nine or second in two and things like this.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: And it's not just running the ball on first down while that you're going to do that a lot.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: The Panthers have to get move incrementally get ahead on first and second down to where they are in conducive situations on third down where they can run or throw.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: Not always been locked into these positions and it starts by having a strong run game where you can get three yards or more every time you hand them all off.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: This is Maurice Jones drew top thirty one thirty two rankings in running backs and he has Chuba Hubbard listed as fifteen.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now that changed by the way, he had him in fourteen literally an hour ago.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, really?
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he must have done something to adjust that.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I actually have a slight issue with this.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: They actually have a rookie that hasn't had any plane time in the entire NFL.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: They actually have him up, rated above him three spots above him.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And let's get yeah, that's that and that's by the way, not even who you think it is.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Marion Hampton.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so they have they have a more a Marion Hampton.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, and they have him, you know, okay.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have a head of the head of like Ashton Gentie isn't even above.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: They got him above Ashton Gentie above James Connor above Chuba Hubbard Kenneth Walker.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the team he's going to.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's going to play with.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter me like just beat it down.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, but that's wild dude.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's here's the thing is it's I've never seen even when you look at quarterback rankings.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's never been any person who's ranking quarterbacks and is like brazen enough to put them in the top twenty.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: at any point.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it doesn't, if they've never played it down in the NFL, there's not a single person that does that normally.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's wild to me.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another thing that's wild to me, I think that his three fumbles lost are his biggest hold up, in my opinion, because I think they've got some name recognition on this too, like they have Aaron Jones above him at night, at ranked number nine.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Their stats are like, I was kidding.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: Now, correct.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Their stats are almost identical.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And except for Chuba has more rushing touchdowns.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he has one less receiving touchdown.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they both have three fumbles lost.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They both played actually.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chuba has the same total yards that he has.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I think Chuba has more than him and he played two games less than Aaron Jones did.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's just, I don't even, I know Maurice Jones drew as like, is doing his best to try to like, you know, get the, I guess the name recognition is going to be important in this.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's just, it's, it's a crazy thought that you've got Chuba,
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: When, and G-baby's gonna disagree with me, but like, I'm not a fan of two, you know, from, you know, the his first few years.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: But last year, the dude was pretty impactful when we had nothing to, like, we didn't have any passing game.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was still out there doing things when they knew it was only him.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's something that's incredibly valuable.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, man.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's getting respect like he should in my mind.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're real quick.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Stonewall for the four nine nine three bombs.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they would like to see the pounding ring game and Bryson throwing deep and they have eight in the box keep pounding.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to me.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: You have a problem with the list, Cody.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and I like to bring it up.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'm trying to find it.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: You got it.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think that let's see case making some of this is some name recognition right.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think there's a little bit there.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think also there is.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, and like G baby said, look, is this rookie going into this team is head and shoulders just a better player.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: Maybe not right.
• 50:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: This like not it's not a list of who's what you did last year, but what you really think is going to be the case, right?
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: So he's a first round pick, twenty second overall.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Going to a team that loves to pound it and is really getting better.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: So there are some of those things.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think an Aaron Jones, that name stuck out to me.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, but I also think too is like, look, is while the Russian yards are there.
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's older in so many ways is that I think that's a fair criticism, but I don't think the Panthers team as overall is good enough to really propel us to where it's like, hey, can I point your attention to the last place in the NFC West and the San Francisco Forty Niners?
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Christian McAfrey haven't only played for you.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, I get it, but now we're you really have to have a conversation about injury with this dude now.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like that.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but when do you
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: When do you, at what point CK, can you realistically ever make a list of an active player with Christian McAfrey and put Chewbe Hubbard ahead of him?
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not saying he goes ahead of him, but I'm telling you, Christian McAfrey cannot be in the top ten given what he's dealt with like last year.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And even if you were to try to bear
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, even if you were in a position where you were looking at the fact that he's on the forty-nineers, well, the forty-nineers were actually one of the worst teams in the NFL last year.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's a, I mean, I'm kind of with you.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like this is one of those is like you
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: It takes a lot of guts to make a list where you put Christian McAfrey outside the top ten, but I think it's right at this point.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: But as soon as you put him outside, Christian McAfrey is bad year, good year, bad year, good year.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: And so he's probably going to be fifteen hundred yards this year.
• 52:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, remember, before St.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cohen did what he did, people were counting him out, you know, but then he goes to the pack or with the to the Eagles and they have that incredible offensive line and look what they're able to do.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's great that they put Josh Jacobs this out.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: I love this because yeah, I was with shit on so much for not being able to catch the ball at all.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Remember, they put play played him during the Hall of Fame game.
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Remember that?
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, right.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dude, I'm Super Harbor.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at his numbers.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are every bit as good as all of the guys in the top in the top half of this list.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I would put my head in the corner.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went to four point eight yards per carry.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's damn your five yards and carry.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to be a really powerful, sore-footed running back to be able to do that.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter how good the offensive line is in front of you.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: So, you know, I mean, look at Connor's numbers.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Can you get, let's get them both on the screen, scroll up a hair.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: See if we can get them both on the screen.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, this is both.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, so about the same yards per carry.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: If you look at it, you should have had more yards.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, like you had a good, uh, man, a sixteen more carries, but for, uh, a hundred yards more,
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean a hundred yards.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: So it's about four point eight four point six and rushing touchdowns.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or you're through receiving yards to four to seven pardon me four hundred and four ten receivers.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I mean, Chuba is absolutely a top run in the back end of the NFL.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, hey, I don't feel like this is disrespectful.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like if they put them outside the top fifteen.
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I have no party up that I do think there is a component of saying we can move them to fourteen.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's see who thirteen is.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's see.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, what the highest we could.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Thirteen is the one that's ridiculous.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, well, to yeah, but the rookie.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, he's a rookie.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's a rookie.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a rookie.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, look how stupid, right?
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what if you're marking it up?
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm asking Jenny.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: who is also a rookie, who is also the highest rated, or the highest drafted, right in back is number seventeen.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think maybe as to do with the coach and the team a little bit and preference, you know, you got to mix it up a little bit.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: You got to make a list.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: Do you want to make people upset?
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: You make a list.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's so take him out of it.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: So say we can put him at thirteen.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: Say we do this.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: Say if we were making our list and we said, look,
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: We're going to put two by at thirteen then just put the hampton and Connor after him.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: Mix in you know what to be honest how about this go there.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm ready to put him ahead of Joe mixing.
• 55:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I have no problem mixing of today and the tuba humbard of today not the Joe mixing of the past.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, four point one yards, a thirty six care like what's in on the back end of his career.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, so how about we get all right.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: So, twelve, I'm ready to put you, but right.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was also in PFF's below sixty five grades, which I can PFF take down for what just worth.
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: But let's look at eleven next.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: James, okay, I don't mind that at all.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want a really good team.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the only thing with him is I think the rushing yards, you know, but his his comes from the fact that he was like a stalwart on like, you know, actually coal line situations and what have you got?
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what you said ahead there.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Cuba got hurt on these rankings because of the fumbles.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think there, you know, I think obviously being on a Panthers as well as not great for that to be quite honest, but I think that it was that I think it was the fumbles and I think the fumbles being in some of the worst times like when we lost that game to Tampa Bay in overtime because the fumble the ball after that incredible catch from Theland.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a similar thing to the Xavier League ad situation where it was really a matter of
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: the scenario in why the like him dropping the past against the equals like it's same thing I think is it makes it worse in many people's eyes.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think Jamari says this y'all is delusional.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, Lafay y'all are delusional Lafay that if you hit me with this that Lafay emoji I could have my ex wife did the turn when over when she wanted to shit or me so thank you for not doing the sideways when
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my look, I was spent for the disagreeer brother.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Turbo was better than Joe Nixon last year.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're saying, this is about just a year come.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're saying that historically Joe Nixon is better than, too, but okay, I also know that.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, turbo.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Turbo Hubbard has been in one thousand yard rusher.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: behind worse offensive lines than whatever Joe Nixon was dealing with.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: I agree, and I am a true, but I've been was it historically a true behavior.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been one of his biggest defenders from even back when he was talking to passes.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: did not like him, right?
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I don't think that call, I think if you put Joe mixing at twelve here, it's putting, it's your basing on his past, not on his present.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, and Joe Nixon, when he went to the Texans to be honest, a lot, I thought or not, I think a lot of people thought that he had not only lost the step, right, but it was like the back end of his career, but you're talking about look if you go what Joe makes in nine years and there's a wall.
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: There is a wall for running backs and maybe Joe Nixon extended his career by two more years.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know, will Joe Nixon be the guy?
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: and used entirely.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to know, they also signed Nick Chub.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Nick Chub is a little bit of a goof.
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Joe Nixon and Nick Chub.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it is, it's pretty, it's pretty apparent that Nick Chub is going to be the backup to Nixon, which is a wild thought, but Cuba just hasn't been, or Nick Chub rather hasn't been himself.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: since that, uh, been injury.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I had three giant ones, too.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's somebody I was using the eye test, y'all got to see the eyes.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because y'all are talking about players that were in their prime last four years ago.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like Schubert is in this prime right now.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can make a legit case that he has done more with less.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: My life, look how many weapons the bangles had to on the football.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Texans have had to on the football.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: All of these other run the backs have been on better football teams and that Shuba Harvard has been of a thousand yard, Russia, damn near three years in a row.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: So if you want to take a few or a GM today and you only had
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: One option going forward, not just for one game, but an entire season and potentially two seasons.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think you're taking Joe makes an overtube a hovered right now.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: No, five years ago, yes, right, I mean, true, but one even league then I can't believe like
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: When is I think, look, I mean, Bucky Irvin, I mean, let's go down to this.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, right, like he's not only a badass, right, but a star in the making.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: So fine, like there's no question there that that should be ahead of the star power, right, like what he can be.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, that's also with the fact that Chuba did this with no other pieces.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was we knew that he was the only person.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: When you look at when you look at places like Buffalo, right?
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have Josh Allen who also was a running thread.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that opens up a lot more things for James Cook.
• 1:01:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:01:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have Bucky Irvine who has a Mike Evans and a Chris Godwin and all that.
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that opens up different things for him.
• 1:01:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chuba did this being basically the only piece on the offense on a terrible year.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, on a team that was like we didn't want to watch him.
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's and here's the thing is he has consistently this is
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be real about it, right?
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jewelry of us as fans did not want Chuba to get that contract that he got.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: But Dan had a good season last year.
• 1:01:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Dan, if he didn't earn that money at the beginning of like throughout the year, he's not getting paid top ten money.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He got paid pretty decent for what he performed at.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now all of a sudden, this dude's playing to what that contract is and probably above what the contract we gave him.
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not for that first year.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: How about this, Tuba Hubbard was statistically better than Aaron Jones with two games, with two less games played.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Had more Russian touchdowns, more yards for contact, more total Russian yards.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we doing?
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is, I don't mind Tuba Hubbard being ranked where he is.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that it's a great just for anything like that.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to the few people in the chat talking about Tuba, being overrated or he's not as good as all these fucking husbands, you're being ridiculous.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: The dude did the same amount of numbers with less around him.
• 1:02:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what Tuba will ever have to do to get respect.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's widely danger field, dammit.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: No respect.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he deserves it.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: Hey, look at that.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's why he didn't do it.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: uh... interest in the two the job makes in is an interesting one if you look at his game log from last year he I guess we're all waiting for a fall off on a player right he had one two three four five six seven games with over a hundred yards rushing
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: Pretty badass.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: The problem was his first one, two, three, four, five games a season.
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: He didn't have, but twenty the most he had was fifty seven yards.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, did pop off big.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is he an ageless wonder, maybe?
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: And maybe when you make these lists, are you trying to forecast what is going to be, not what it was?
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's,
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: If we're forecasting, whether it's going to be, I have no problem putting two, but even higher on this list.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: But only by two or three.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: So I actually don't have a problem where he's listed.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: I just think there could be an argument that he could be one or two spots ahead.
• 1:03:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: for this year coming up.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more frustrated by the people that they have ahead of them.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like some of the people I should say.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can make an argument that he could be in the top ten.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the top ten and look at the body of work of many of them, and I think there is a chance that he could have been.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I understand it is frustrating as it is.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is the nature of the beast when you are on a team like the Panthers right now.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of people in the league that have been bullish on us as we are trying to build our team back up.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But listen, here's what it is.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're going to have to prove it.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to earn every, every, everything that, every ranking, everything that, you know, every nice word, anybody wants to say about us is going to have to come because we've earned it.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's just going to give us anything.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: There might be a few people that have, you know, nice things to say about us, but for the most part, we're going to have to make sure that we're a good team.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the only way this is going to change.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: Gee, baby, I do think I defended C Mac in the quality of prayer.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: He was, well, he was here.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: I do.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think I was there and saying this is the elite of the elite on a bad team.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: And this is, I think, true, but Hubbard, when we're putting in these rankings of fifteen to ten, I don't think in the future, he is going to be a top eight.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I think he's always going to be in that range of
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: nine to fourteen right like is like he's really solid and overall but I don't think he has the star effect of a Christian McAfrey right like a guy who's just can just dominate games but I do think
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know how mad luck is like we'll see if we'll see if Joe Nixon continues to produce.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he looks slower a little bit, but man, them numbers.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: He had a hundred and fifty-nine yards rushing in the final game of the season in a divisional game against the cult.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: Joe Nixon.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying this is a bad player, but for example, a lot of people are pretending like his Jonathan Taylor.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little bit Jonathan Taylor did in fourteen games.
• 1:06:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had one thousand four hundred thirty-one dollars, four point seven dollars per carry, eleven rushing touchdowns.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The dude is a producer.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: No matter what, when that dude is healthy.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a Johnson Taylor.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but people are like, like, I've back.
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people pretending like Joe Nixon is a Jonathan Taylor like, but that's fucking delusional man.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
• 1:07:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, as a two-hubbered hater myself, I am now a appreciator of two-hubber.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that is, you know what, he's
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: better to have on the team than not have him.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: I do like how the Panthers said, we're going to give you money.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: You've earned it.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: You've gotten better and better, but we're not going to just ask you to do it alone.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think we really need to talk about the doodle, the outle edition here, and how that not only can make true behumbar content or help support him in being
• 1:07:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: a stalwart, like a constant.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think Tuba Hubbard is a guy who is going to be all the sudden on the headlines of week to week at any point.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think though now with the tandem, though, it can really help.
• 1:08:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: It can really help.
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you know what, if Tuba has to miss the game's doubt,
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: That'll be a guy and don't forget we added at the end in the draft.
• 1:08:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Trevor, to your point.
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have Jamir Gibbs up here who, you know, he was splitting time with David Montgomery, but that's, you see how they are able to split time between both of them and the lines were one of the best running teams in football, you know, shout out to the whole dealer who wanted us to be like the Eagles.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the lines are another good example of what we could do just by following their lead, run into football, you have two good running backs, you have an offensive line that can really just bully dudes and the trenches.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I feel like this is, they're laying out the blueprint, no pun intended for what we want to do.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, do you baby sell delusional?
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you baby believes that the Panthers fucking hit me up on my cell phone?
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't call you.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, take some time out from your pod for a minute and tell us, should we get rid of Christian recovery?
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And those are down below, ship them off for pennies.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you might have to be the most delusional fan in all the fandom, bro.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love you, but your levels of delusional are through the roof, man.
• 1:09:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Through the absolute roof.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: Shout out to the podcast.
• 1:09:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Get influenced at the same time there.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was glad that it happened.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: not necessarily for the Panthers, but look at the trajectory of what the Panthers have been, right?
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You also don't have price zone if it's not for treating Christian McAfrey, right?
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: Which you never need to admit that point.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm also happy that Christian McAfrey went and became what Christian McAfrey, what we saw a little bit.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: with that, right?
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like he had the opportunity.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's still top ten and he is in Germany getting stem stales basically.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see if we could dial those on the list.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, not look past fifth.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it was a past.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, maybe.
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, this is a ranking running back once.
• 1:10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is going to be one player per team.
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so David Montgomery is not even on the list.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: They changed kind of love.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Look at this.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: I wonder if are any of these guys on the back end does Travis Etien have a bounce back?
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is his career done?
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know?
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a, there was a house in my house.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: Paris is gone.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just complete it.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's very even though.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jalen Moore here.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's even care about him.
• 1:11:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: And is he on it?
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is he on it?
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nausea Harris went to the charges.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not she can go departure.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's went to charges.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: And now they got a rookie ahead of him.
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Interesting stuff.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, Cody, why don't we do this as we continue to develop this good debate right here?
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, you know what?
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Anytime you want to make for a good conversation, you make a list and you leave someone off or you put someone ahead.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, always a good strategy.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: In fact, maybe we should just do that each week.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who are you talking to, but how burn your nausea hair is?
• 1:11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Two, but two.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to see the jamarian jacket pistol.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's go to my past.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's gone boys, but I'm pulling a double at work.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, my break right now, I just wanted to call in and say, and you must really go on, I want to put it out there that on secret app.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm last year we did a pick-up, a C-three pick-up, and you know, we didn't put no money on it, or anything.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was just for chissing vehicles and dragon lights.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Those teams are pretty cool in that.
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: The plan I'm doing here again this year, if anybody wants to come join, maybe, maybe up on X or whatever, if it could, up on X over.
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: I could put the link in the chat or something like that.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I know Greg, and some of the guys who said my name, but I'm like a five book sound per person, maybe.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it was massive, but he's just been talking about, so, and they want to do a C-C-C-E-C-E-Z-M-Tic-M.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: We pick all the games each week,
• 1:12:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just, this is going everything for you.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's do it.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, and you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm talking about that guy.
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Peace.
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: So,
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is funny.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, finally out here making people mad, bro.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the post was deleted.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, hang on.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got a series by the original one.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I can't do it.
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: I can't do it.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't do it.
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a second.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, let's just say this about Kim, George.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: I hate him as a player because he's on the Saints.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I would absolutely love him if he was a player on the Panthers.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he was talking not shit today about his number.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's he's he's he's he's taking he's getting some deep cuts on the Panthers today.
• 1:14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that they would come to bear with me.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: So Camp Jordan is like, one of these players, you know, I hated Roman Harper when he was the same.
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: Loved him when he's a Panther.
• 1:14:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: I actually didn't love him right away because I still held so much petty grievances against him for that Steve Smith's job, right?
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, see what happened here.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Tell us, just walk me through it because I didn't see any of this.
• 1:14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for Panther fans, only podcast shout out to them.
• 1:14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: they found this clip of cam Jordan during these exercises and someone tell a cam to retire.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they called it or they tagged him on Twitter and sent him it up going through all this pain to bring three ball games and finish last in the division.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the client back said, uh, that's just in the beginning of work out in tempered action.
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: All leading to training camp in season.
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Brother, I'd say you understand, but we both know as Panther fans, fam, you haven't had a notable edge with over seven to six for your franchise other than Julius Pappers.
• 1:15:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, did Charles Johnson have ever, seventy?
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, let's see.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not entirely sure.
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But by the way, this is also really funny.
• 1:15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a UFC fighter by the name of Terence McKinney.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And his shining also said, also his a fan, which means his biggest athletic consumer.
• 1:15:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is podcast.
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then shout out to Panthers fans, they had the quick clap back of Terence McKinney just getting fucking obliterated in the UFC.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was pretty funny.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: uh... but cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav cav
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: or what he was wanting me to pull up was this.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: The guy who did what you did in eight games and says of seventeen.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess this was his numbers last year.
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then this is due to their warm-up coming back from real bad surgery.
• 1:16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Six months or whatever was wrong with.
• 1:16:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did they want them?
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
• 1:16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't Jordan is the ultimate shit talker.
• 1:16:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's the type of guy that if he's on your team, you love them.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not on your team, you're fucking can't stand the plan.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: But he's at a hundred and twenty-one career sex.
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: Holy shit.
• 1:17:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: Talk you shit, Cam.
• 1:17:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, what are you going to say to that?
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, what are you going to say to that?
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still fucked the Saints.
• 1:17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all you're living in to say.
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is that the only call being?
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: No, we got more calls to get.
• 1:17:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's do it.
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna pull up the screen shot.
• 1:17:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: You look good, C-III is JD Man.
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: What does that mean?
• 1:17:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, this is to show her giant, have a lot of calls, so I just had to call in, drop my opinion a little bit.
• 1:17:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I agree with the first caller, with what the Eagles did last year, with running the ball playing good defense.
• 1:18:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: I do believe that that's the recipe for success.
• 1:18:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: Going to the twenty- twenty- twenty-five season.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: You don't want to ask Bryce to do too much.
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: Though I do believe we saw last year that Bryce is very capable of making teams pay if you do try to take the run game away.
• 1:18:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think going into the season, you lean on the run.
• 1:18:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's the reason why you brought Rico in.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right?
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: You have two running backs in Chuba and Rico do very much same thing slightly different, but both are solid runners.
• 1:18:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: Having those two guys in the back feel, just pound, pound, rock.
• 1:18:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: And when opportunity presents itself to airball out, I think we can all trust races decision making.
• 1:18:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's shaping up.
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: If it all plays out the way we expected to, the practice office could pick up at least from the run game aspect of it.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: They could pick up from where they left off last year.
• 1:18:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: And if that happens, I'm excited.
• 1:18:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: Because if you load the box to try to take away the pants that's running games, which I do believe a lot of teams are going to have to do.
• 1:19:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're going to have to load the box.
• 1:19:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: You're leaving, they're receiving group.
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: You're leaving your secondary at the mercy of Bryce and the receivers we have.
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: We can go down the list.
• 1:19:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: I expect this for cherry seed.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: We know what we have out there and if it looks the way we think it'll look.
• 1:19:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: That offense is going to be a problem from the first nap of the season.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a very last one that they take.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now you're just asking the defense not to be a liability.
• 1:19:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: I look over at the defense of the side of the ball if specifically that D line.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: The defense will go as they go, as their brown goes, as a certain warden goes, as bobbing around the third goes.
• 1:19:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: All three of those guys do one thing extremely well.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: So at that point, your geniuses asked me your defense to not be a liability, with the additions we made and created.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: See, I don't think that the defense will simply, and you know, just do their job.
• 1:20:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think the boys will be able to get out there and actually, cause problems for your opposing team.
• 1:20:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: Carolina Pen is going to be winning a lot of football games this year.
• 1:20:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: We don't know exactly how it's going to look, but that energy that excitement ain't going nowhere.
• 1:20:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm doing all I can not forget.
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: go over moon with it, but like put in a hundred dollars dollar per person.
• 1:20:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not watching the TV and I will video earlier in the last few seconds of that video, PD says, that's okay.
• 1:20:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: So that's what we own.
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: Super Bowl.
• 1:20:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, I was challenged to the C-III Legion to get to a cam Jordan to respond to our discussion about him on this podcast.
• 1:20:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to find a way.
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cause actually, I was thinking about this when I saw the Cam Newton thing and him.
• 1:21:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: How much I've hated him as a player?
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I also every time I did hate him, I was like, I wish he was on my fucking team.
• 1:21:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: Talking about shit.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then I just said this.
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: What do you say?
• 1:21:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do you do?
• 1:21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Classic, cool.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I was thinking about this today, right?
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, dude, it just sucks.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: How many legends have you had who have contemporaries that were playing at their time?
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: who are still playing football today.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for example, Cam Jordan used to terrorize Cam Newton.
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those two had a great back and forth with one another.
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cam Jordan is still going and that Cam is going on.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is fourth year out of the NFL?
• 1:21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just the same to me.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another one is Bobby Radner.
• 1:21:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for a long time, people didn't Bobby Radner would have compared like the two top linebacker prospects
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: in the NFL.
• 1:22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the fact that they're still going, uh, Bobby Rodner is still playing still going.
• 1:22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And wrapping up numbers, it's just, I've insane to help short live some of our guys were longevity equals the home, all the fam like of greatness.
• 1:22:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, thank you, Pat.
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: Man, Pep did it for so long at the elite level.
• 1:22:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that's what puts you.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: If there is anything, we've talked so much on this podcast about the bubble of the Hall of Fame.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right?
• 1:22:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: I, and it hurts my soul to say this is, I don't think Cam is a Hall of Famer.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's a bubble.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's a bubble player.
• 1:22:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's always been a combination.
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the sad reality.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: We think differently or not.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steve Smith is a bubble all the family too.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, he's on what next year's his last year for I was ability maybe.
• 1:23:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think it has maybe two more years.
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think there's a better argument for Steve Smith making the horrible thing.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: I actually I don't know to be honest is like to me.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Cam is a one count for more and MVP season or triple crown.
• 1:23:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: triple crown.
• 1:23:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: There's it.
• 1:23:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Actually, I don't know.
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think that if there's, look, the both Steve Smith's bubble is not the same as Cam Luton.
• 1:23:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if any of our guys are going to make the whole thing.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: To be fair real life and gives a better
• 1:23:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: He has a better chance, but like I was the longevity is the issue.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, every year that goes by that you don't make it, it doesn't make it easier the next year because then you have a whole new crop of bad asses that are eligible for all the things.
• 1:24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the word you don't make it, the less and less chances you have to actually do.
• 1:24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as much as I fucking hate it,
• 1:24:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if any of our beloved guys of the twenty-eight are on the list of the bubble though, right?
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: So say all three are on the bubble.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think I think cams on the biggest bubble.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you mean all the bubble of not you mean like there are all players like they're all close.
• 1:24:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: close, but not locks.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's kind of a coin flip for me and Steve Smith and Luke Keith.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: The argument for Luke Keith Lee as he was best in the for eight straight.
• 1:24:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the numbers that they are in all of this, but the Bobby Wagner discussion is the reason.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she Bobby minor, she has a Super Bowl ring.
• 1:25:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to have all those numbers and just rack up with all those years.
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Bobby Wagner.
• 1:25:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: has he gotten defensive player of the year.
• 1:25:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't think he has, but I think when you look at the total tackles, the longevity, how good is he's played as a Super Bowl ring.
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think all those matter and I think he probably as much as I fucking hated, probably has the better chance against all the fans and I disagree.
• 1:25:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think, uh, I think, uh,
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really do think that Luke has the better opportunity.
• 1:25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's because of how highly people still talk about him.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you, and I'm not saying Bobby Wagner isn't talked about, but it's like the amount of people that actually have in conversation of like Luke would be able to read these plays and like all this stuff like it's still a conversation going on to this day.
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: People remember Bobby Wagner, but people remember Luke for being just cerebral.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is what I think is why he will have an opportunity.
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't mean Bobby's not going to get in.
• 1:26:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Bobby's going to get into the Hall of Fame.
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't give me wrong.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that to say that because of Bobby, Luke wouldn't be able to get in.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just not going to be realistic.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's
• 1:26:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a better chance of him getting in than we've been, we're given them credit for it.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: The real son child says this Luke Smithy then came.
• 1:26:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: I would probably switch it from Smithy Luke then came, but the argument for that list and to me, I always was irritated about this is because Smithy's career was legendary.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: The difference between Smithy and Luke was this is Smithy was never considered the best receiver in the league.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: at any moment in his career, even when he won the triple crown, people were like, he's not the best receiver.
• 1:27:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: If you had a mega thron, you had to whatever.
• 1:27:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: There was a point where Luke, I mean, was the best line.
• 1:27:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hands down.
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was it was Bobby Wagner Patrick Wilson him but even when they would do the top one hundred where the players would vote on who the best linebacker is Luke would always be ranked above Bobby
• 1:27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for better, for worse, you know, I'm sure people are really, you know, whatever, but no, you're not wrong.
• 1:27:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then Andre Johnson got in.
• 1:27:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: Smitty has the same numbers.
• 1:27:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I think that Luke should get in.
• 1:27:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: I would love for Cam to get in just because I love him so much.
• 1:27:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think he necessarily should.
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think there's an argument of how he changed the game and like how like how
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:27:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Russian and these things, but I don't know if he is a Hall of Fame quarterback.
• 1:28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when it comes to cam, all the real ones will know how much is influences current crop of quarterbacks that we have now from Josh Allen, the jail and hers to the Mar, like all these incredible Russian quarterbacks.
• 1:28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They looked up to camp and where you was ever to do Harvey London has a good comment just Patrick Willis made it and he had a shorter career than Luke did.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a that's a great point.
• 1:28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's just like I said earlier.
• 1:28:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every year that goes by
• 1:28:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's harder and harder for these to make it into the whole thing.
• 1:28:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then they get in a competition with different crops of people.
• 1:28:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:28:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: So remember, like, Smitty could have made if Andre Johnson wouldn't have been in that class.
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: They probably would have gotten that year, but now he's gonna be up against a different running of people and different things.
• 1:29:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's almost too political in a way.
• 1:29:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think Smith is all the famous.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that's why I mentioned about CMC going to another team, right?
• 1:29:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: And like I was almost happy for him.
• 1:29:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: I remember saying this at a point is, if we would have put Steve Smith in his prime on the cult, like,
• 1:29:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: He would have been, I don't know.
• 1:29:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's sad to me that I just put cam on the last list.
• 1:29:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I think.
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also think that if you gave cam Newton or Devante Adams or pick one, pick another bit.
• 1:29:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:29:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, if you gave him that if you gave him the right receiver help, I think that it would have been
• 1:29:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you would have been even more incredible.
• 1:29:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let me find it.
• 1:29:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: The number two, five, two, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety.
• 1:30:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: It isn't last call right now for the night.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: There is.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: I saw this guy.
• 1:30:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: He actually resonated really with a tweet as you put out.
• 1:30:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: And it was like, I'm not arguing with other fan bases.
• 1:30:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: until we're over five hundred.
• 1:30:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, dude.
• 1:30:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want everybody's fighting with bears fans and fountains fans.
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.
• 1:30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is this one.
• 1:30:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: They're talking about ultimately his hearts versus
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: Of cam cam dude.
• 1:30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's been the real big discussion.
• 1:30:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean this cam and everybody miss cam, but you know it's so far in the past Not only is cam so far in the past the Panthers present has been so terrible Cody I was with you not only was that with you.
• 1:30:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's where I've been I'm like I ain't even on this ship space
• 1:30:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I don't know until I there's really anything to say I have no desire to be a white night for the Carolina Panthers and come running into their Matthew and Sim for them.
• 1:31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, and like that's not the other people side.
• 1:31:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want the chip on our shoulder Panthers that feel fucking disrespecting the one I'm trying to prove some.
• 1:31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's part of the reason why I don't mind like
• 1:31:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keeping it real on Bryce when I say even still I'm not sold that Bryce down is the future of the Carolina Panthers at quarterback.
• 1:31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not and I don't care if people clip it and bring up old trees and clips I would rather be the butt of every joke on Panthers Twitter or amongst the podcasting circle than to be right like I want Bryce to be the guy but I'm not ready to avoid him
• 1:31:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ready to annoy or rise down until I know for a fact that I see that from him.
• 1:32:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if that makes me the villains fucking, I'll be your huckleberry bro.
• 1:32:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck.
• 1:32:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:32:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
• 1:32:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's take this go.
• 1:32:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: Still, C-III is dating again.
• 1:32:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just want to call him to finish.
• 1:32:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: I want to date from the first call.
• 1:32:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's a beautiful time to be a killer out of Penn this week.
• 1:32:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: and also on top of this G-baby that she was is not the running back that he seems the believe she was is not understanding that adding recoil to her back still and having those two guys back there told him to rock.
• 1:32:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: The place that you probably want out of a superstar running back those more and thirty-foury plus your runs.
• 1:32:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: You have two bags that are capable of wearing down the opposing team's defense.
• 1:32:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: One of those guys is going to break loose.
• 1:32:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It might not always be one, it might not be, it might not always be true, it might not always be Rico.
• 1:33:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's a beautiful thing of adding a Rico.
• 1:33:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're very much the same running bags in terms of what they can give you in production.
• 1:33:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just happen to believe that having two bags that are very good
• 1:33:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's going to allow those two guys together to be great.
• 1:33:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: So, GVA, I feel when you come in from rough, you could, that running bad room could be better.
• 1:33:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: There are running bets that are probably doing the better than sugar, but I think there's an element of sugar's game that we have in quite a scene.
• 1:33:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I believe that adding the recall for the equation, yeah, you're going to be able to see a lot of good things out of the scene.
• 1:33:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, man, I've been rampant.
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm gonna wrap this up, bro.
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: Love the show.
• 1:33:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: Y'all keep counting, man.
• 1:33:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep out in your brother.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great call man.
• 1:33:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I'm with it.
• 1:33:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've, you know, okay.
• 1:33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've said that I don't want to do this thing where, oh, I'm predicting this amount, this amount, this amount.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: What I actually am predicting is that the Carolina Panthers have the opportunity this year to break some single-game rushing records for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:34:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you look at this line, these two running backs that we have, Bryson being that ultimate game manager to make it happen, they could be a very, very good run on team this year.
• 1:34:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: fun comment in real AP says that what year in the future with the of this podcast where we never mentioned camps name for at least one episode and also sideways smiley face on purpose I see that Tony done I would say I don't know when that date is but we're a little closer to it every day because I just didn't go to put cam in the whole thing
• 1:34:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: That will not happen until both me and Tony are no longer on this.
• 1:35:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:35:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:35:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where everybody knows longer talk about Cam Newton and how glorious he was when the two biggest cam sex was on the internet.
• 1:35:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: No longer part.
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: Any one to find a bigger cam sexual than me.
• 1:35:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: In fact, seven people big part of being like deep cuts.
• 1:35:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you know what?
• 1:35:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like I love when people come so hard at me at it.
• 1:35:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: Or the.
• 1:35:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: I leaned into as I am gay for cam.
• 1:35:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: I like I don't even like that don't bother me one bit.
• 1:35:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sexual.
• 1:35:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: He was courty as fuck though when he did that.
• 1:35:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: his life thing on fanatics day, my friend went on pirate radio and he talked about there was like he found it on Reddit and he said, what's a cringe player in your team's history?
• 1:35:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, actually, how about this?
• 1:35:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: Why don't we answer that real quick?
• 1:35:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a question?
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, okay, I mean, not a terrible answer to that cringe.
• 1:36:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: He was cringe.
• 1:36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um... How about this?
• 1:36:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have a better answer.
• 1:36:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: How about the Angela Williams?
• 1:36:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like... That's where you left the Panthers.
• 1:36:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, yeah, but okay, but that's still, I mean, that's okay.
• 1:36:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not there.
• 1:36:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I think you could go to, who is the murder, the... Try to murder his.
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but that's deplorable.
• 1:36:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not cringe.
• 1:36:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:36:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cringe is whenever you hear them talk, you're like, uh, do you have a question?
• 1:36:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not taught, but like, even their play, the way they, it was like, I mean, there's some players on other teams that have like, grabbed, like, people in the ball.
• 1:36:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know what I mean?
• 1:36:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, you actually,
• 1:36:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like I was talking about with Cam Jordan, like I just like him just because he's not on my team.
• 1:36:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right?
• 1:36:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, is there a player on your team that you actually didn't want to be on your team?
• 1:36:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Not because they sucked entirely, maybe.
• 1:36:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: But I was thinking about the guy that got beat up by Andre Johnson, uh, court.
• 1:37:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're, uh, courting for the end again.
• 1:37:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, yeah.
• 1:37:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: What's a cringe as player?
• 1:37:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: Byron Bell.
• 1:37:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just terrible.
• 1:37:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I encourage brother.
• 1:37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good cringe to meeting you might be a little bit different.
• 1:37:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Things like cringe to me is just embarrassing.
• 1:37:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're so embarrassing that they give you second hand embarrassment.
• 1:37:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, even in embarrassment.
• 1:37:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the guy on my buddy clips said, well, Cam was kind of cringe.
• 1:37:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was,
• 1:38:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a pretty cringeting to say, you know, a lot of this.
• 1:38:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think that was so over.
• 1:38:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when we called the, remember when we called, uh, the Dalma can soon, the Dalma can soon.
• 1:38:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was also kind of cringeting.
• 1:38:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: There was a virtual signal universe.
• 1:38:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying it's some, like, it's not shit that I would say.
• 1:38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It comes out of that field, you know, he had some embarrassing moments in the other camp, but he's not the best with the words.
• 1:38:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:38:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the best with the words.
• 1:38:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's not.
• 1:38:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a person here.
• 1:38:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: They're at me a person where they're at, but I would say is that I was like, I was upset by it.
• 1:38:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, no, I would not think about that.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: But then I watched that fanatics joint with him and Cam Jordan.
• 1:38:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I almost said this is I don't think Cam's crange.
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's turned into corny.
• 1:39:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's like the same thing.
• 1:39:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is it?
• 1:39:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, okay.
• 1:39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a side there.
• 1:39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Corny.
• 1:39:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like,
• 1:39:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cringe or in the same ballpark of emotion.
• 1:39:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But why do you say that?
• 1:39:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why the bottom is corn?
• 1:39:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:39:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is nice.
• 1:39:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you going to dress also?
• 1:39:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: I loved all that.
• 1:39:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: I loved all that.
• 1:39:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: I thought it was trend said it.
• 1:39:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever wear a bonnet?
• 1:39:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Did you ever wear a bonnet?
• 1:39:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: This is where I would say corny because as a YouTuber, right?
• 1:39:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like we are we've been from nothing.
• 1:39:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, just dummies talking on the internet.
• 1:39:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: But you do, and I've always been in this battle about, like, how much do you try to self-promote?
• 1:39:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, oh, am I begging for your attention?
• 1:39:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right?
• 1:39:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, is, like, subscribe this, right?
• 1:40:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, please, please, please, please, please, please, build the audience.
• 1:40:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know, is there a medium between just, like, reminding that it helps to like, subscribe, be a part of the conversation type of stuff, and then the begging, right?
• 1:40:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: And so at the beginning of this fanatics thing, there's like, forty people.
• 1:40:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: Maybe, no, it's probably maybe like, maybe eighty people in front of the stage.
• 1:40:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: They're having Cam Jordan come out in a little while.
• 1:40:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: And he's like, light, subscribe.
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Do you know where?
• 1:40:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's, it kind of reminded me of like when you are a public speaker and you say,
• 1:40:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Good eat.
• 1:40:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, hey, how's it going, everybody?
• 1:40:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: And they don't say, and they go, wait a second.
• 1:40:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: Hey, how let's do that.
• 1:40:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:41:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they thought that's what I'm saying and telling you that that is correct.
• 1:41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:41:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You need to apologize to your man, Clint Brock, because he's always been a moment.
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that I love him any less.
• 1:41:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm still as big on the camera.
• 1:41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do this like sometimes some people are just cringe.
• 1:41:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Do you know how many cringe moments I've had on this podcast?
• 1:41:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:41:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I do.
• 1:41:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: I have for my health.
• 1:41:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know who I was.
• 1:41:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know who I was.
• 1:41:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know who I was.
• 1:41:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I felt was a pretty cringe.
• 1:41:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Robby Anderson.
• 1:41:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
• 1:41:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was in there.
• 1:41:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: I understand.
• 1:41:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: Fucking cranges.
• 1:41:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Fuck.
• 1:42:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just saying this is we almost have had boring players.
• 1:42:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've been a bunch.
• 1:42:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a bunch of points.
• 1:42:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: Not just the hardy, um, Greg Hardy.
• 1:42:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: You just say he was cringe.
• 1:42:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: When he was like, I want twenty Saxons.
• 1:42:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: Or when he fucking gotten a fight with that girl over Nellie and through her on a bed of guns.
• 1:42:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: And now he's beaten up face still.
• 1:42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, yeah, I mean, that's cringe.
• 1:42:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:42:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
• 1:42:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:42:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'll see you.
• 1:42:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: This podcast has become cringe at this point.
• 1:42:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody, what else have we got to go?
• 1:42:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's get through some of this material.
• 1:42:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I put this, right?
• 1:42:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see what some of the most anticipated matchups of this season are because a lot of people are already going to make one matchup.
• 1:42:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: between Nalo, Tejaroa, and McMillan, and Travis Hunter.
• 1:42:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And who's going to get the better of this back and forward?
• 1:43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to see that.
• 1:43:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: But why do some other matchups that we're going to see this season that
• 1:43:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: that are, that are her matchups.
• 1:43:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think I do have any, I have a couple, I don't have any, many players, players specific, but I will, I have a couple of theme specific.
• 1:43:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, if you do have one that's on your mind,
• 1:43:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: go ahead and enter.
• 1:43:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing is I think that the last game of the season against the Falcons last year put I think a potential rivalry on the map between Panics and Young because Panics was answering everything you know blow for blow against a really bad defense but
• 1:43:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but that's, I don't know, that's something that I would say is being able to see that start to kind of build from there is something that I think is going to be interesting.
• 1:44:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think if I were to take that out of the equation, I want to see how this team does again, some of the top tier talent that we have coming against us next year.
• 1:44:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Buffalo is probably one I'm looking forward to.
• 1:44:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, do you remember I could name late in the year?
• 1:44:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, Buffalo is mid is on on because the week is week eight.
• 1:44:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
• 1:44:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: So my player specific week seven, the Panthers are at the New York Jets, Tech McMillan versus sauce gardener.
• 1:44:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think is a cool win, right?
• 1:44:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like a top corner, been in league a couple of years versus high end rookie, can't have rookie making name against a player like that.
• 1:44:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: The bills are weak eight CK.
• 1:44:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:44:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's when I'm going to be looking forward to, I think it's hard not to look at the Jacksonville Jaguires as like a sought-after one.
• 1:45:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:45:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: One, that's going to be an interesting one.
• 1:45:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: Travis Hunter, too.
• 1:45:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:45:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think though is so my first Cody, I don't know if you saw it was player specific and a that versus saw Scordner, right?
• 1:45:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it sees it not rookie on rookie.
• 1:45:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I think it's gonna be fun, Jack toville, right?
• 1:45:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like that's gonna be a fun.
• 1:45:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's a great one to start with.
• 1:45:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: But if Ted is really making a push for being like, if he could have a good game there,
• 1:45:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right?
• 1:45:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like against a guy who's what you're three.
• 1:45:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:45:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Just like a man kind of a proven top tier.
• 1:45:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: My next all my other ones are going to be a specific to a theme.
• 1:45:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: And it's not actually a player only.
• 1:45:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, maybe this is the next one that's kind of player only or close to player only.
• 1:46:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, go back three weeks.
• 1:46:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: Dalton net Panthers.
• 1:46:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: I want to see how Mike Jackson and J.C.
• 1:46:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: Horn deal with Waddle and the chief, right?
• 1:46:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like it is.
• 1:46:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: So I'm looking at, and this is where the theme comes in for what you asked is like, what are these matchups?
• 1:46:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: All of my matchups are interested in how the Panthers defense fairs against certain teams.
• 1:46:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: So dolphins.
• 1:46:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Bill's right like is like how does your defense I go next to get to couple more on that the forty Niners can the Panthers facing CMC if he's still there show that that run defense has improved right.
• 1:46:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like I mean, when that be a moment that they November, twenty-fourth, eight, fifteen, prontime game, if CMC or they run on us for two hundred yards, can the Panthers run defense, which is all I'm looking for in this year.
• 1:47:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then the following week, the Panthers host
• 1:47:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: the charge not the chargers the rams and you've got I'd like to see J.C.
• 1:47:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: horn versus homeboy not what's his they brought back a Cooper cup but no they got it replaced them
• 1:47:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:47:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is I like to see what we paned the bottom of the bottom of the bottom.
• 1:47:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I want to see Jason horns shut down to people in that one, but the theme continues to be for me the Panthers defense.
• 1:47:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: If I have one on the offensive side, let's see how the Panthers offense fairs against Cowboys.
• 1:47:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like because you get the high end, microporces can the pay.
• 1:48:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: If there's do something, it gives them.
• 1:48:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then to be petty, didn't that guy that we were in the running for defensive tackle, go to the Patriots?
• 1:48:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Milton Williams.
• 1:48:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:48:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, him versus our interior.
• 1:48:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: A couple of mine also involved the defense to me, the divisional matchup.
• 1:48:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's JC and one versus Chris O'Lave for the New Orleans hands.
• 1:48:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a really good thing.
• 1:48:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're the top paid corner,
• 1:48:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it should be, but you know, a lot of people feel like Chris O'Lave is still a really good winery.
• 1:48:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that all of you are ready.
• 1:48:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can also say, you can stay in division, say, JC and one versus drink London.
• 1:48:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a good one.
• 1:48:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: God, when you're mentioned the cowboys and you're mentioned Michael Parsons, I want to see if we can come on who can truly live up to the building as being that shut down that tackle and starting down one of the best past pressures in the NFL.
• 1:49:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a matchup.
• 1:49:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would really like to see.
• 1:49:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me see what else here.
• 1:49:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I want to see, I don't know all of the names off the top of my head, but there's some good corners for the cowboys and the pack.
• 1:49:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are you getting?
• 1:49:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's using our bi-ducyversin, TDMAX and Excel going up against some really good corners this year.
• 1:49:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: What the cowboys is, digs brother.
• 1:49:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: This is still there.
• 1:49:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think, is he still there?
• 1:49:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is he not going to believe?
• 1:49:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, believe so.
• 1:49:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:49:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the question with him is.
• 1:49:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: Trayvon to Sean digs is he plays is is a corner for the Cowboys, right?
• 1:49:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Which I think he should be the question.
• 1:50:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
• 1:50:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: Him was is is he really a lead corner or is he a turn over corner, right?
• 1:50:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I guess right kind of like a mock gallery.
• 1:50:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: for the...
• 1:50:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: Lions.
• 1:50:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like a volunteer or is he really good?
• 1:50:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're just throwing to a more because.
• 1:50:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Or is this the only metric?
• 1:50:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's actually good.
• 1:50:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: I would be interested in and seeing that.
• 1:50:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: So fun discussion there, Cody, we do have another call.
• 1:50:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's take that before we get into how in the Panthers with the blueprint to run around the season and finish out the show.
• 1:50:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's see.
• 1:50:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: We got
• 1:50:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Y'all, I see the reason I'd rather be here in my room.
• 1:50:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure how long.
• 1:50:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sad that I stopped in just for a split second.
• 1:50:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: I've been at the house for a couple of days and down for a little bit.
• 1:50:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I've just had time to think about a lot of things.
• 1:51:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so forth.
• 1:51:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: And shout out to the great Tony Dunn in the homey coat of lags.
• 1:51:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: The whole family coat.
• 1:51:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're on the verge working through people.
• 1:51:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: I grease only a matter of time now.
• 1:51:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: The bricks, the foundation, I keep preaching about.
• 1:51:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: You can see it's data.
• 1:51:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I know that what unhappy it was certain the holes and so forth.
• 1:51:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: But then you deal in the works and we got time.
• 1:51:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: But then you know, we're closer to the goal that we will.
• 1:51:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: So much without his great free agent acquisitions on defense.
• 1:51:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: And yes, I'm calling him great.
• 1:51:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: They played meaningful football.
• 1:51:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: And they keep talking about wanting to turn this cultural around.
• 1:51:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm very, very worried.
• 1:51:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then we talk about guys like J. C. Owen who's gotten the bag that appreciate the loyalty from the franchise.
• 1:51:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know he's going to ball that.
• 1:52:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then we said, yeah, we got about that business there at Brown back into the game.
• 1:52:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: He sensibly was going to be better.
• 1:52:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: and the offense was already starting to go to another level and now pays to a disconnect of offense and vice being comfortable and having all these received an options a little more option in the back through as a one and back I just think it's great and I'm telling you not in a seat so watch out because the culture has changed and if you ain't with us now you ain't welcome to the parade I love every single one of you paying the temporary pride as well
• 1:52:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: love every single one of y'all.
• 1:52:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Dave, we love you.
• 1:52:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: I love you, Dave.
• 1:52:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: I keep a chin up, get on your feet.
• 1:52:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: Hey with us.
• 1:52:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: Same thing goes for all of us.
• 1:52:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: I only think I disagree with this if you're not on the train.
• 1:52:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: You can't be with us at the parade.
• 1:52:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't the only thing I don't agree with that is you just don't get this sit in the front like we do.
• 1:53:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we don't.
• 1:53:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't.
• 1:53:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: You have to set the fair point, Dad.
• 1:53:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we need some of the band.
• 1:53:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take you to jump on.
• 1:53:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:53:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: I remember this, we got some VIP people like D. That's the only thing.
• 1:53:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, because I just don't want to.
• 1:53:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to.
• 1:53:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to.
• 1:53:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's like here, I do appreciate.
• 1:53:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Look, we suffered.
• 1:53:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've locked arms together.
• 1:53:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've suffered together.
• 1:53:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: But that, what we able to look at each other and be like,
• 1:53:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: y'all got upper decks.
• 1:53:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: We got VIP.
• 1:53:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
• 1:53:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody, let's finish out the show with this.
• 1:53:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: The blue print will power through these right away.
• 1:53:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: Just outline what I put up here.
• 1:53:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that is the blueprint talked about the offseason, the commitment to the defense.
• 1:54:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the Panthers defense horrific.
• 1:54:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: For a long time, honestly, two years ago, CK and I were on the full's gold.
• 1:54:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: thing is like you could find these metrics that said they were okay, but you could score fifteen points against those offenses could take a nap.
• 1:54:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: There were a bunch of reasons.
• 1:54:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: So I was interested in teams that had historically bad defense in the last fifteen years.
• 1:54:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: that we're able to make a significant turnaround.
• 1:54:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: Because that's what the payethers are trying to do.
• 1:54:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Doesn't mean job a drop from top worse to best.
• 1:54:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: But what happens, right?
• 1:54:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: So in twenty twelve or the twenty twelve twenty thirteen season, New Orleans Saints.
• 1:54:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: They were ranked dead last in total defense, like we were, right, in a sense.
• 1:54:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I don't allowing, and this is yardage, what how they ranked them dead last.
• 1:54:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: They were fourth in total defense, which actually doesn't make sense.
• 1:55:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, in twenty thirteen, so they went from dead last to fourth.
• 1:55:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: What a crazy turn around that key change here.
• 1:55:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: And this is bananas here.
• 1:55:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: This is the fucking wildest part about this change.
• 1:55:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is Rob Ryan?
• 1:55:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: led this change crazy as he's like the crazy.
• 1:55:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:55:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's the uncle you don't want at Thanksgiving, but you also want if you want to shit show.
• 1:55:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: They from a four three to a three four.
• 1:55:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: They drafted look cam Jordan.
• 1:55:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:55:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's a hundred and twenty four sex later.
• 1:55:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Kenny Varkaro, Curtis Lofton.
• 1:55:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, they stayed healthy.
• 1:55:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's a big deal.
• 1:55:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: The next one, Cody.
• 1:55:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: We'll just run through all these just so we don't get lost in the mud.
• 1:55:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
• 1:55:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: And the twenty sixteen season, the Jags, twenty fifth and scoring defense went to second in scoring defense and total defense called Saxonville.
• 1:56:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: Free agent, additions, Kaleas Campbell, AJ Booye and Barry Church.
• 1:56:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: They had a young core developing in Jalen Ramsey, second year player Miles Jack.
• 1:56:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Look at those players.
• 1:56:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: Three, but they had a bazillion top picks, right?
• 1:56:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: Ramsey, Jack, and Jaku.
• 1:56:27
  [SPEAKER_10]: Maroon and Kaufflan, right, the old school hats, the mean old school gritty guys.
• 1:56:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Turnovers, if you saw it in the blueprint, Dave can tell us that this, if I told you how you wanted to win, if all you had to do was hold onto the ball and go get the ball and we'll be there, basically as what he said.
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  [SPEAKER_10]: That's simple.
• 1:56:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: Number three, Cody.
• 1:56:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
• 1:56:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: The twenty-nineteen Miami dolphins were the worst in the league in points allowed the next year they went in six in points allowed.
• 1:57:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: They signed Byron Jones, Calvin Noy, Manuel Augba, Brian Flores, right?
• 1:57:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: Big time defensive coach.
• 1:57:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, a lot of success in Minnesota, a lot of controversies around in Bryan Flores.
• 1:57:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: I've been unfortunate to him because he was a great coach.
• 1:57:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: They turnovers in reds him, right?
• 1:57:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: Kept it simple.
• 1:57:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: Number three, a four on the list.
• 1:57:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: The Cowboys were talking to Mike Parsons here, right?
• 1:57:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 1:57:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: Twenty-eighth points allowed the year before.
• 1:57:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: Historically bad run defense.
• 1:57:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: This might be a great comparison for the Panthers is like if you're looking for a team.
• 1:57:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, right worse worse worse.
• 1:57:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, they jump to seventh and lead the NFL in takeaways.
• 1:57:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think you're not going to like this part.
• 1:57:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Dan Quinn replaced Mike Nolan, right?
• 1:58:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: Big change, draft picks, Mike a person who becomes defensive.
• 1:58:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: Ricky the year, player the year, Canada is a rookie, or player the or Canada, Parsons and others, a big aggressive defensive front.
• 1:58:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: And Quinn becomes a star.
• 1:58:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody wanted to say something on that before we move on.
• 1:58:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, just it's a testament to drafting well and evaluating really good position for instance, you know, from, you know, been to draft on my compositions.
• 1:58:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're able to do some shit like that, too.
• 1:58:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's all about just evaluating talent and I've always said this when you're a general manager.
• 1:58:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: your job to you for most everything else is evaluating talent and projecting them into the NFL and or what that free agent player will be like for your routine.
• 1:58:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, when we're talking about this defense turning around to me, it's less to do with the zero of a barrel and more to do with Dan Morgan and his ability to reload this defense in a meaningful way.
• 1:59:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like to think that he has, but time will tell.
• 1:59:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: Number five on the list.
• 1:59:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, yeah, exactly.
• 1:59:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: We can skip this one.
• 1:59:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: uh... the falkin twenty fifteen which they went to the superbowl the following year right uh... no twenty no so this is the switch right so i guess i've been wrong yeah uh... twenty fifteen they were terrible thirty second sacks uh... twenty sixteen defense improved to middle of the pack of care team the superbowl kiana neo deon johns jonge's great defense uh... maybe linebacker for a while
• 1:59:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: Quinn, again, Dan Quinn.
• 1:59:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was, well, sorry, he's coaching the commanders who are a, yeah, you're not a team right now.
• 1:59:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: Better offensive play defenses defense and a better chance.
• 2:00:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: So, Cody, I bring this up and I look this and look into this is, are there any things that we are seeing?
• 2:00:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: and these teams that maybe the Panthers could potentially, not, you know, I mean, it's obviously not apples, apples, but how did the Panthers go from the worst to even middle of the pack like this Falcon's team?
• 2:00:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right.
• 2:00:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the silver mine money revolves around two players that have to really kind of prove themselves fairly early on.
• 2:00:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why two draft picks
• 2:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nick Scorting and Princess Newman Newman.
• 2:00:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you might say, well, they might be a little bit much to ask of a second round or in a third round or respectively.
• 2:00:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what we have to do.
• 2:00:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have to get young guys that are coming up in here and making a legit impact day one.
• 2:00:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, you know, or else why are you drafting all these deep into players every year?
• 2:01:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: If none of them ever turn out, I mean, keep in mind, we have DJ Johnson on this team who was another guy that the Panthers traded up for a few years ago.
• 2:01:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: We also have what's the super fast guy?
• 2:01:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's on our team.
• 2:01:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
• 2:01:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: The position.
• 2:01:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is an edge rushers outside linebacker.
• 2:01:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He ran like the fastest linebacker time at the combine.
• 2:01:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm blank.
• 2:01:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me go.
• 2:01:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, guess what?
• 2:01:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: We don't remember anything past.
• 2:01:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also like the fact that we have all the time remembering him is probably not going to be anything at this point.
• 2:01:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 2:01:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I'm not saying they can't be anything, but that was the, who is it?
• 2:01:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, no, I'm already buying it.
• 2:01:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: Come on, that might be going to do this is where the draft is.
• 2:01:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
• 2:01:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you see when I'm saying, though, like, these young players have to step up.
• 2:02:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That guy, you know, way more than they ever have.
• 2:02:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean that.
• 2:02:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's,
• 2:02:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: Those guys are a thing in the past.
• 2:02:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think if DJ Johnson can find a role in this team, that would be incredible.
• 2:02:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: And not in a good way.
• 2:02:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I won't bet on it.
• 2:02:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: How about that?
• 2:02:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: It was like, I'm not putting any money on him.
• 2:02:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: I would put more money on him, not making the roster than making the roster.
• 2:02:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean, I really think I'm going to be a player that gets one DJ Johnson.
• 2:02:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that's how it goes.
• 2:02:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me be going.
• 2:02:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Other players, I don't come a shit about.
• 2:02:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not, they're going to be, uh, uh, already twenty five when they draft them.
• 2:02:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I want the new young guys to show themselves.
• 2:02:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's see.
• 2:02:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
• 2:02:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: That was ever a dude.
• 2:03:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of these dudes are, even the guys now.
• 2:03:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I love it when next Gordon is knocking hands off the table.
• 2:03:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him when Prince of the human meal is on the mat rule guy.
• 2:03:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 2:03:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I love him when Prince of the human meal is telling them they're gonna have to pay him even earlier, even sooner.
• 2:03:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, yeah, we need that type of shit.
• 2:03:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, so for the Panthers, CK to do any of this, let's see what they did.
• 2:03:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: This offseason Cody.
• 2:03:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Next.
• 2:03:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, so key moves obviously, J.C.
• 2:03:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Horn, they started the blueprint with that securing cam.
• 2:03:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: I also thought that was the most boring part of the whole damn pit.
• 2:03:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is J.C.
• 2:03:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: Horn boring?
• 2:03:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you borrow it?
• 2:03:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: No, they got in his, like, they showed his house.
• 2:04:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: They went in his empty-ass garage.
• 2:04:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah, you mean like, or, and he's just like, I want to be here forever.
• 2:04:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: And that was it.
• 2:04:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, gosh, I kind of liked that, though.
• 2:04:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why they like him too.
• 2:04:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not there.
• 2:04:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Traditionally, your wide receiver's in your corners, corners are the corner, quote, d-device.
• 2:04:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're the ones that always want the best paycheck.
• 2:04:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're the loudest, they're the shit talkers.
• 2:04:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jason Horne is deciding to not that.
• 2:04:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 2:04:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: I didn't give them the be a lot, though, Cody.
• 2:04:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: It was just like, I don't know.
• 2:04:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, let's move on.
• 2:04:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it was just to me it was.
• 2:04:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do like the fact that you said every year that goal is a super bowl and he wants to win super bowls for the Panthers and retire as a Panther.
• 2:04:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you love that.
• 2:04:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: The one and what he did say that I loved and that we're not loved but like I liked was he had his best season last year that earned him the contract.
• 2:05:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: But that's scratching the surface and that better be right like that's what we're talking about is like that shouldn't be the top.
• 2:05:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: We didn't pay him for what he's done.
• 2:05:14
  [SPEAKER_10]: We paid him for what he can be.
• 2:05:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: Panthers go on to retain Mike Jackson.
• 2:05:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think you have to have that tandem and add to it.
• 2:05:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: They signed a trip on moring right in attempt to shore up run defense.
• 2:05:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: Patrick Jones the second.
• 2:05:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: They celebrated him a lot in that in the blueprint right his tenacity Dave can I was like him.
• 2:05:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Bobby Brown.
• 2:05:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: Wharton is the guy that they really needs to hit.
• 2:05:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like he needs to become a guy with him and Brown that popped together.
• 2:05:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then they go out and draft Scorton, uh, princely, um, and meelin.
• 2:05:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: Nathan Rams and I think is going to be a big addition.
• 2:05:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: I just hope that he's not a duplicate too much to trade on more.
• 2:06:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: But maybe that's okay.
• 2:06:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: So you don't have to bring him up too much as a rookie.
• 2:06:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you continue to fortify and give some depth.
• 2:06:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: You guys thought, do you see some opportunity for the Panthers to improve on those moves?
• 2:06:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 2:06:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
• 2:06:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 2:06:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I think
• 2:06:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's always going to be that room for improvement.
• 2:06:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we got anybody that is going to be like, this fixed every problem we had.
• 2:06:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, there's no magic.
• 2:06:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: There isn't going to be, I don't think there's, if there was, then we would already have them on the team, right?
• 2:06:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's just, I don't know that there is going to be a, like, a perfect situation where we grab the guy who is going to make this team, like, go from
• 2:06:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: an average defense to an elite defense.
• 2:06:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's the body of work.
• 2:06:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, as I said, I mean, my confidence in what this defense is going to be, well, you know, if it ever goes still, man's the controls, if you will, it's just, it's not very high.
• 2:07:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've, I've maintained the young guys have to step up.
• 2:07:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: because as much as I love Toshan Warden and Bobby Brown and DJ I want them and some of these other guys, these young players have to be a part of our future in order for them to be a part of our future, they have to be a part of our now.
• 2:07:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, one of the things I was saying about Tursha on Wharton is, I love how aggressive he is.
• 2:07:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he is a, a leader, especially if you watch the blueprint.
• 2:07:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like now, you know, on top of the work he's working on the celebrations are we have a bunch of free agents that are in here to help instill a culture.
• 2:07:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that too.
• 2:07:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: Wow, though, I mean, like nothing to be overly excited about those guys, but you look at this though, right?
• 2:08:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you just look at the outline.
• 2:08:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: Is it set in the Panthers up to be better?
• 2:08:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: And you can't.
• 2:08:10
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think yes, I think the answer is now how much better is a question we don't know.
• 2:08:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody continued through.
• 2:08:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: And let's see where the upgrades really were.
• 2:08:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: Or, right?
• 2:08:23
  [SPEAKER_10]: So you keep on.
• 2:08:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: Mike Jackson to me is the guy.
• 2:08:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: I know people think he's just okay.
• 2:08:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's been really good for this team.
• 2:08:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Ransom as a rookie can he inject himself.
• 2:08:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: The past rush, you really, what we're looking at here is rookies making a impact.
• 2:08:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: Can one of these rookies?
• 2:08:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: And maybe together, right, can together these guys find a way to get template sex, right, like Scorton and princely together find a way to make a difference on this team.
• 2:08:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: And it comes down to this run defense, right?
• 2:09:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: So what could the Panthers do?
• 2:09:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: What are the projections?
• 2:09:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: Let's go to the final.
• 2:09:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
• 2:09:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: component here is that right now, you were at thirty second pressure rate, thirty second.
• 2:09:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: Not, oh, this was not right.
• 2:09:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: We did not have three sets.
• 2:09:18
  [SPEAKER_10]: We had more than three sets.
• 2:09:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: We were thirty first in size.
• 2:09:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: So this is an accurate.
• 2:09:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to be careful with this chat box because they'll just make sure that.
• 2:09:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, but the question is, is can you improve and pressure rates?
• 2:09:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: What is, and right now, the projections are, is that you're moving from thirty seconds to twenty.
• 2:09:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude, it's possible there.
• 2:09:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, that's impossible, but I don't think that's going to make CK happy.
• 2:09:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: But say it again from what to what?
• 2:09:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: From thirty second to twenty if it's not going to be enough for C. K to be excited.
• 2:09:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: No, of course not.
• 2:09:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's, yeah.
• 2:10:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's notable, but it's how you make it there, right?
• 2:10:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think, again, this gene was so bad.
• 2:10:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: The pat last year, like to overcome historically bad in my mind.
• 2:10:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to show that like you don't need to have the best players in the entire NFL to make your team above average.
• 2:10:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I think this is that if we get to twenty, it will be better than last year, but not exciting.
• 2:10:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
• 2:10:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know, as Panther defense really that committed, we want to see the jump that the Panthers offensive line had.
• 2:10:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's what I want to see.
• 2:10:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: The commitment to the line last year made a visible difference, right?
• 2:10:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like a visible F and difference.
• 2:10:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: And they committed to the defense this offseason and both the draft and free agency.
• 2:10:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: So if we don't see something significant,
• 2:11:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: like beyond significant.
• 2:11:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:11:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: If it's like, oh, we got twenty.
• 2:11:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's like just okay.
• 2:11:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
• 2:11:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: I think it comes down to like you got to have some standouts.
• 2:11:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: We got to be getting set.
• 2:11:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: We got to be make difference makers.
• 2:11:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, a lot of pressure on this defense, not pressure, but a lot of needs and wants for me because this team will not be great or even good until it's balanced.
• 2:11:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, another thing that we need to mention to is the opportunity that we did make in the backfield like traveling in safety that can take the ball away.
• 2:11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're taking the ball away.
• 2:11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's football one-on-one.
• 2:11:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to be able to take the ball away and then convert on those turnovers.
• 2:11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what you're doing.
• 2:11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the horn and that's something that we have not done well in recent years.
• 2:11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now to his credit, though, they also don't throw at him a lot.
• 2:11:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, my gosh.
• 2:11:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm so tired of this.
• 2:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can say what you want, it's just a truth.
• 2:12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: This way, but it is on the field.
• 2:12:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: It has to fail.
• 2:12:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you're in Mike Evans and you're in your bank or maybe you can just trust fucking total ball.
• 2:12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mike Evans is going to come down with it.
• 2:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for the most part, they don't do really, though, at just one of them when they do, he shuts it down.
• 2:12:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: All those numbers aren't going to come in.
• 2:12:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, just one, just one is not been trailing.
• 2:12:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's not been doing this.
• 2:12:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: So it's not like you can just scheme away from him.
• 2:12:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: He don't do.
• 2:12:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: I look, I think he's a great, he's a good, can't be.
• 2:12:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: He doesn't travel that much, but he's not a champion at all.
• 2:12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're a head, you're in a way to follow him.
• 2:12:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: You can do that to anybody.
• 2:12:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just saying you want him to be the dog dog.
• 2:12:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's got to, we got to have some flash plays too.
• 2:12:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: So don't give me the crap that XL has some drops.
• 2:13:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: I want to see some big flash plays too.
• 2:13:05
  [SPEAKER_10]: Couple interceptions.
• 2:13:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not saying it's not a thing.
• 2:13:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's not saying it's not good.
• 2:13:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: But you can't celebrate how many past offended he has and then say they're throwing away from him.
• 2:13:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, how did they do have to defend it if they were throwing away from them?
• 2:13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because when they do target him.
• 2:13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's definitely had we saw the clips of him doing it.
• 2:13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 2:13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you feel that he wasn't worth the amount of money that we paid to?
• 2:13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't say that.
• 2:13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying.
• 2:13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but if all of those things, if he's not, if he's not defending passes and he's sort of, you know, you don't have to, you don't have to sort of account for him on all things.
• 2:13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what I'm saying this is it sounds like you're saying that his the things that he has done aren't necessarily indicative of a top-flight corner and dish deer.
• 2:14:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He sort of needs to prove the bill.
• 2:14:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: The work or that contract with it.
• 2:14:08
  [SPEAKER_10]: What we're saying you just said this earlier is that the store difference on some of those teams that had the turnaround.
• 2:14:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean like that's what we need.
• 2:14:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: We need to blow out.
• 2:14:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm not saying like he didn't on it.
• 2:14:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's not what I'm saying.
• 2:14:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Just saying like I want JC horn to be the player is and have a couple of them fucking stand out moment.
• 2:14:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we need to get to get the.
• 2:14:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, they also.
• 2:14:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: that will happen when teams are forced to throw his way.
• 2:14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: That means you have other safety and corners that are out there making the day hell for offenses.
• 2:14:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the reasonable step forward.
• 2:14:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we got to see a lot.
• 2:14:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: You need this defense go.
• 2:14:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, Cody, I think that's the show, right?
• 2:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You want to applaud this one one time?
• 2:15:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, don't forget.
• 2:15:04
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• 2:15:06
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• 2:15:11
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• 2:15:24
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• 2:15:33
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• 2:15:46
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• 2:15:51
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• 2:15:53
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• 2:15:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: Make sure you hit the link to the glean giveaway.
• 2:16:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's the way you get the most entries.
• 2:16:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: So if you just retweet it, you're not going to get as much.
• 2:16:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: The best way to do it to mark it for the giveaway, which I had to pay for this program.
• 2:16:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: So at least make the money that gave worth it.
• 2:16:16
  [SPEAKER_10]: you can get extra entries or do in the things.
• 2:16:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: But make sure you do all the steps, right?
• 2:16:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: Don't just click it and feel like it's over.
• 2:16:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Make sure it says, like, hey, I subscribed, put your email in.
• 2:16:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: You do all those different things.
• 2:16:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I saw all the heavy hitters of the C three nation have already done this.
• 2:16:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: There's like seven eight entries from my bastard son.
• 2:16:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: These things, we need to pump this up.
• 2:16:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: The goal is every month to have
• 2:16:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: a giveaway and as we get into the season is going to get great bigger and all of this going forward.
• 2:16:48
  [SPEAKER_10]: We want to grow the podcast in the face of adversity.
• 2:16:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: We've been chugging along.
• 2:16:55
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• 2:16:57
  [SPEAKER_10]: My goal, I know it's a lofty one to get to ten thousand subscribers.
• 2:17:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: Probably impossible, but maybe you can help us.
• 2:17:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: Get there.
• 2:17:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: Thank you for all your time.
• 2:17:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody, we got one last segment and that is the ice and fools up.
• 2:17:11
  [SPEAKER_10]: The longest running segment on the longest running Panthers podcast where we tell someone to ice up, tough enough to get it.
• 2:17:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Gather.
• 2:17:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody, drop that ice.
• 2:17:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, so I saw, I saw.
• 2:17:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: This is where it's our homage to Steve Smith, where we tell someone to ice up tough enough to get it together.
• 2:17:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: We like to step out sometimes outside the bounds of football.
• 2:17:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's our pride guys.
• 2:17:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: We're in the hell we want.
• 2:17:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: We can tell someone to ice up if they're a little kid in Oklahoma.
• 2:17:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: We can ice up ourselves or parents or whatever.
• 2:17:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: Whatever we want to do.
• 2:17:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: A lot of times Cody makes me laugh when it comes to people almost dying.
• 2:17:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: on the internet.
• 2:18:00
  [SPEAKER_10]: Does anybody have some good ones?
• 2:18:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: Mine are also so based.
• 2:18:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: I only have one because I was all informed that I can only show one of mine because it would be creepy that you had to vagina related.
• 2:18:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: I saw these two videos.
• 2:18:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's like these books.
• 2:18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You mean in a row today or in a row?
• 2:18:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm always going one or two.
• 2:18:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: And they're not even like super vagina related, but it's all right.
• 2:18:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Who's got one for me?
• 2:18:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I can go for the show.
• 2:18:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to sports, but what did you do?
• 2:18:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: That just made me laugh in that moment.
• 2:18:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so okay.
• 2:18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was there.
• 2:18:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: Be better.
• 2:18:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did you see this?
• 2:18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 2:18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a guy and he's on golf course.
• 2:18:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he starts melting off.
• 2:18:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: to this guy, let me see his name.
• 2:19:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: The dude's name is Nick Tornasky, and his former hockey player, this dude on the screen, is one to pick a fight, and let's just say he ends up running.
• 2:19:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: I love when I see someone get beat up.
• 2:19:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're drug as far too.
• 2:19:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: It looks drug.
• 2:19:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, come on, man.
• 2:19:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, see you later.
• 2:19:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: You're in the.
• 2:19:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I'm just excited.
• 2:19:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: It does.
• 2:19:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, there's more.
• 2:19:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's gonna come now.
• 2:19:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 2:19:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I go on record.
• 2:19:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, he was a turn round.
• 2:19:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
• 2:19:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Please say you get up.
• 2:20:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know that.
• 2:20:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get out of here.
• 2:20:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get out of here.
• 2:20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get out of here.
• 2:20:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get out of here.
• 2:20:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So dude, when you're on a golf course, maybe don't pick fights with former NHL players, dude.
• 2:20:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw.
• 2:20:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, damn it.
• 2:20:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's okay.
• 2:20:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: All right, I see.
• 2:20:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, you got it.
• 2:20:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: You got one.
• 2:20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mine is just the math that isn't math.
• 2:20:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I always go political with these things, but that's kind of my focus on, you know, social media and stuff like that is focusing on politics and listen,
• 2:20:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: A bill that's, and I know there's a stimulus aspect to this, but a bill that is intended to cut our deficit, but somehow increases spending to things like spending a sixty five million dollars or something crazy like that to move the space shuttle from the Smithsonian back to Texas.
• 2:21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just seems like we're going with like it's it's something Elon Musk and it's like we're back to the unit party where all of these things that we thought we were overcoming have still just it just shows that it's all gone it's not going to change
• 2:21:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Unless we're able to realize that the current political system that we have is not set up for us to actually be in a democracy of any sort.
• 2:21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that a bill has to pass with that much in it for people to vote for it.
• 2:21:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know I get it.
• 2:21:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a large country and we have to get all these amendments in because that's how we get things done.
• 2:21:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it just seems like it makes our government impossible to actually regulate and that's scary.
• 2:22:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so to me, I'm going to ice up the world that we live in right now at the way the government is and the people that think that you know that that aren't willing to look at the negatives of what's going on with this whole thing.
• 2:22:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't spend more to save.
• 2:22:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what worries me is like and here's the thing is I get there's the stimulus aspect to it that you know in theory may potentially work and in some of the things make sense to me right you know the no tax on tips that's literally going to be a great thing for people because I think that their number one it's one of the
• 2:22:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 2:22:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those jobs that can become inkless or what have you saw.
• 2:22:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: That stuff kind of makes sense to me.
• 2:22:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: No tax on overtime.
• 2:22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Things along those lines.
• 2:22:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Those are all, you know, relevant in my mind.
• 2:22:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: What isn't relevant is those, the spending like on a shuttle.
• 2:23:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the, that shuttle is perfectly fine in the Smithsonian and D.C.
• 2:23:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is literally no reason to move it other than political reasoning.
• 2:23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the only political reasoning is that
• 2:23:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Texas governor was very nice to Trump and so we're trying to give them back something that could be used as like a as a what would you say the like a vacation spot or what do they call those
• 2:23:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: looking at some sort of a like something that's going to drive tourism, you know, you can't but you can't say I cut out one thing I cut four million dollars suspended, but I added twelve million and that gave money and this would be like I don't want to say the person I just like the most in my life in a sense, but it's like
• 2:23:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I spent a hundred and twelve dollars, but I say forty bucks doing it.
• 2:23:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: No, you spend a hundred and twelve bucks.
• 2:24:02
  [SPEAKER_10]: You can't spend more and say we can't, but it's just, it does the math doesn't work.
• 2:24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to, I said, she could, how, how, and I've all the political things we could do.
• 2:24:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do we not, I said, all the sudden to absteen list, nothing to do.
• 2:24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like all the time we've been talking about this to a brand on it and they all know all the sudden don't that's not the thing it's so fucking stupid to ever come through the bond with a wild yeah, it's so stupid dude.
• 2:24:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I shout out to um
• 2:24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Panther gal.
• 2:24:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the truth right here.
• 2:24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Smoking mirrors left wing right wing same fucking bird.
• 2:24:45
  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, that's all it is.
• 2:24:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: Spendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendspendsp
• 2:25:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: right like if you've like everybody wants to play guitar right everybody wants to play guitar but like if you play kids out there that are looking for an instrument to play play bass every band needs a bass player you don't even have to be good if you play bass like you've got to cap the bass nobody knows
• 2:25:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean, like, we just need a body, but if you're a good player, base player, it's awesome, right?
• 2:25:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: But this mug, and I don't even know, he like, he got into Pearson's, like, so we had all the, um, big, with spacers and shit like this.
• 2:25:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, he got his tank pierced.
• 2:25:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: Right, and I was always like, why the A, like, I mean, what the fuck was just bizarre?
• 2:25:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: He's like, and I didn't even want to hear the conversation, but I always thought like the polar person that had to do that piercing.
• 2:26:04
  [SPEAKER_10]: Like, that's always what I was in my mind was like, this poor, this guy walked up and said, I want my tank pierced.
• 2:26:12
  [SPEAKER_10]: and that poor person who had to actually do it.
• 2:26:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: This yet may be feel like this is like, uh, this poor, whatever is happening here.
• 2:26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no one's real.
• 2:26:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh.
• 2:26:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it just goes right back.
• 2:26:34
  [SPEAKER_10]: That's, that's who I was to go.
• 2:26:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh-huh.
• 2:26:39
  [SPEAKER_10]: There's no way.
• 2:26:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: There's more.
• 2:26:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: They're out there suffering.
• 2:26:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: Those people that are.
• 2:26:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: Tears and taints and tattooing people's idiot.
• 2:26:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: Whatever.
• 2:26:50
  [SPEAKER_10]: I set up to the people that asked them to do that.
• 2:26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just stupid.
• 2:26:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
• 2:26:55
  [SPEAKER_10]: I said.
• 2:26:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: I cringe.
• 2:26:59
  [SPEAKER_10]: Cody like.
• 2:27:01
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• 2:27:02
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• 2:27:04
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• 2:27:05
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• 2:27:09
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• 2:27:13
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• 2:27:15
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• 2:27:16
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