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Gordie Chiesa on Utah Jazz and the NBA, Jazz's win over the Heat last night, NBA brawls, Darryn Peterson sitting out again + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the youth God Jazz with
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  Speaker 2: former Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about
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  Speaker 2: the NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk.
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  Speaker 2: Stay for his list of the day my list today,
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  Speaker 2: here's oc with basketball sob on Gordy Chiasa on the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Show o'connells Show once again.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome in, Gordy Chiasa, resident of NBA Gurgle. Brought to
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  Speaker 3: you by a lad Industries, your Utah v Lux dealer
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  Speaker 3: and America First Credit Union.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, welcome back to the show. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Sean dude's find also for yourself. Welcome back to to
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  Speaker 4: the States.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks very much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, last Thursday Friday, I was off in Dubai and
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  Speaker 3: it's always good to come home. Makes you grateful to
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  Speaker 3: be an American every time you get to come back
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  Speaker 3: to the United States of America.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard really.
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  Speaker 4: The Life of International Mystery.
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  Speaker 1: That's yes, I'm like Austin Powers. Yeah, I like it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Gordy, I don't know if you heard me ranting
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  Speaker 3: about the Kansas Arizona game last night and Darren Peterson
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  Speaker 3: not playing. Now, the explanation was, he's sick flu like symptoms,
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  Speaker 3: and I know illness is a real thing. The number
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  Speaker 3: one team in the country coming to your place. My expectation,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm a season ticket holder, if I'm a fan,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm a coach, if I'm a teammate, is man
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  Speaker 3: unless you're on death stor you're playing in that game.
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  Speaker 3: And it was reported that a large, large contingent of
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  Speaker 3: NBA personalities were in town to scout that game, and
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  Speaker 3: of course there would be some disappointment that somebody like
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  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson is not playing. My question for you is, right,
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  Speaker 3: like they fly Gordy Chase out there to Lawrence to
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  Speaker 3: watch that game, to watch Darren Peterson, and then he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't play because of an illness.
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  Speaker 1: What is your process do then?
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  Speaker 3: Do you go like, all right, well, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: stay after, I'm going to talk to the coach, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna talk to the kid. I'm gonna see how sick
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  Speaker 3: he really was. How do you handle it when something
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  Speaker 3: like that goes down? From an NBA side of.
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  Speaker 4: Things, it's a longer because also he missed other games previously,
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  Speaker 4: so there's been a pattern there where he has an
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  Speaker 4: ankle injury and the question is could he play with
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  Speaker 4: rehab or he's just sitting out where he might be
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  Speaker 4: getting advice from his agent to sit out, because we
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  Speaker 4: want you to be one hundred percent all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And so from a team standpoint, it affects the group
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  Speaker 4: and would I would talk to the general manager of
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  Speaker 4: the team and also anybody around the organ the college
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  Speaker 4: and campus that you do trust to find out more
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  Speaker 4: about his personality, and they will. The NBA teams will
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  Speaker 4: do due diligence before the draft and there will be
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent they believe sure whether they take them out.
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  Speaker 4: And here's the reasons why. So it's alarming though, because
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  Speaker 4: unless you're truly sick to the ultimate that youve got
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  Speaker 4: to try to play in that game. And ironically, his
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  Speaker 4: teammates won the game. Kansas won a holatious game against
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  Speaker 4: two heavyweight teams. Both those guys could be national champions
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  Speaker 4: and that shows you how strong the Big twelve is.
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  Speaker 4: In Utah's playing tonight against the University University of Houston
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  Speaker 4: and the Cougars that have a tough game at tias
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  Speaker 4: excum me at Bella tonight.
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  Speaker 3: One more thing on this when when we talk about
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  Speaker 3: somebody like if you see a little bit of load
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  Speaker 3: management starting to develop in their college career, how's that
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  Speaker 3: NBA team going to respond to that or handle that?
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  Speaker 3: Because you know, like hyper talented players at the NBA level,
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  Speaker 3: that load management is a reality, and we're seeing some
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  Speaker 3: of the best talent wise that have not really lived
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  Speaker 3: up to expectations. You got, you know, street clothes, you
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  Speaker 3: got the unibrow, you got Kawhi Leonard who seems like
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  Speaker 3: he's playing fifty percent of the time. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: the NBA has They've helped create this system, and they're
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  Speaker 3: also kind of the victims of this system. So if
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing it from a college player, are you like, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, he's already ready for the NBA because
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  Speaker 3: he's already doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Are you like, man, I can't, I don't want that guy.
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  Speaker 4: It's concerning no doubt. So again it's based on personality.
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  Speaker 4: Who the agent is and gets a general feeling about
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  Speaker 4: the guy. Will he play through some sort of injury.
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  Speaker 4: I don't mean when you actually have a twenty eighthcl
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  Speaker 4: I'm not talking that or ripped achilles. I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying is that when but at a period of
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  Speaker 4: time once you had to rehab, can you play in
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  Speaker 4: a game and help your teammates perform in that contest,
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  Speaker 4: but also try to be the best you can possibly
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  Speaker 4: be to show that you're part of the group right now.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, and the NBA is showing so
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  Speaker 4: much of the economics of it also is that you're
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  Speaker 4: paying a guy, will say, sixty million a year, which
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  Speaker 4: is a whole bunch of money, and he Cossi could play,
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  Speaker 4: but he's holding out because he wants to be sure
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  Speaker 4: mentally that he could play. And in playoffs, in playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: NBA playoffs, it's a whole different thing where guys try
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  Speaker 4: to play as much as they can because it affected
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  Speaker 4: the group dynamics.
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  Speaker 3: We are one year removed from the Luca trade, with
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  Speaker 3: the benefit of a little bit of hindsight, at least
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  Speaker 3: a year's worth of hindsight. Has it worked out the
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  Speaker 3: way that you thought it would for both teams?
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  Speaker 2: Well, for the.
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  Speaker 4: Lakers point of view, worked out spectacularly. Answers yes, because
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  Speaker 4: of Luca now taking the mental place away from Lebron,
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  Speaker 4: and rightfully so. Lebron's forty one years young and he
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  Speaker 4: deserves to have a mental health break during games. So
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  Speaker 4: for the Lakers point of view, they're at a fourth
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  Speaker 4: seed right now, thirty two and nineteen, and showing he
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  Speaker 4: realized that a trio of Luca Dantage, Lebron Chains and
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  Speaker 4: Austin Reeves they've only played a total of ten games
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  Speaker 4: this year together. So with the Lakers being thirty two
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  Speaker 4: and nineteen, with those three main guys not very little
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  Speaker 4: on the court together when they are, they could be
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  Speaker 4: a tough out in the playoffs. From the Dallas point
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  Speaker 4: of view, they're starting over. They've made all these different
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  Speaker 4: trades and now they moved on Anthony Davis, which they're
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  Speaker 4: static about. So think about Anthony Davis. He's a big
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  Speaker 4: part of the trade a year ago to go to
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  Speaker 4: Dallas Mavericks to give them an inside force, and then
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  Speaker 4: a year later they move into the Washington Wizards where
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't want to be there and he is an injury.
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  Speaker 4: They're holding him out or the agents holding him out,
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  Speaker 4: meaning Ridge Paul and the Dallas Mavericks are heading to
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  Speaker 4: deepen the deep in the lotteries right now and the
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  Speaker 4: Mavericks as you speak. As you speak, they're nineteen and
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  Speaker 4: thirty three. That's the good part. They're riding right now
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  Speaker 4: seven games losing streak. So the future is Cooper Flegg
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  Speaker 4: and everyone else that they draft.
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  Speaker 3: The future for the Utah Jazz post trade, I think
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  Speaker 3: as people feeling encouraged, and you and I have talked
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  Speaker 3: about this a lot, how does it change you know,
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  Speaker 3: your philosophy. I think we saw we saw some evidence
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  Speaker 3: of what the plan will be moving forward. As you know,
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  Speaker 3: late third quarter, early fourth quarter, you see some starters pulled.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work, Gordy.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes the backups still win your games.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and I was a hard charging team effort last night.
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  Speaker 4: That was great, So Kyle Philopowski. That guy was all
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  Speaker 4: over the court in that second part of that game.
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  Speaker 4: Sixteen points, eleven rebounds. It was when he got him, hustle, plays,
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  Speaker 4: bright center bars, feels. His fourteen points also when he
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  Speaker 4: got them, including that killer pull up jump shot. Ace
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  Speaker 4: Belly was tremendous. You could see the talent level and
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  Speaker 4: how much more confidence he has. He was the first
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  Speaker 4: option in that fourth quarter during the game. He responded
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  Speaker 4: sixteen points, eight rebounds. And it's when he got those points,
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  Speaker 4: especially when that emotional baseline drive in a he took
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  Speaker 4: the guy to the basket and dumped in the guy's knocking.
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  Speaker 4: And so that was a spectacular victory for the Jazz,
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  Speaker 4: and it shows you that the Jazz do have talent.
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  Speaker 4: And let's add. Let's add to the group right now,
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  Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson Junior's avenue twenty two points a game and
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  Speaker 4: the two games he played, and last night he showed
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  Speaker 4: Vince Williams, who's really a tremendous defensive player, him getting
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  Speaker 4: seven to sixth and fifteen minutes, so he knows how
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  Speaker 4: to play with the ball without the ball. And then
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  Speaker 4: John Conchok, who's a really good stan still face up
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  Speaker 4: three point shooter. So the Jazz won that trade. And
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  Speaker 4: this is what the Jazz could be. We left out purposely. Cante.
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  Speaker 4: George's out with an injury as far as legitimate. I
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  Speaker 4: might add with a sprain ankle, probably hold him out
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  Speaker 4: until after All Star break. So the Jazz, though, the
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  Speaker 4: future is bright. So the question is did the backups
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  Speaker 4: keep playing in the fourth quart of instincts?
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  Speaker 3: Tell me yes, Gordy Chase is my guest here on
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  Speaker 3: the Sean Conna Shotak and all Things NBA. The if
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  Speaker 3: you're playing your backups in the fourth quarter, right, there's
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  Speaker 3: the obvious optics of that. But what we saw last
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  Speaker 3: night was you know what you're just talking about, that
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  Speaker 3: a backup unit, young players kind of finding their role,
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  Speaker 3: getting more minutes developing. And it isn't super clear how
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  Speaker 3: many of the guys that helped engineer that win last
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  Speaker 3: night are actually going to be part of the team's
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  Speaker 3: plans moving forward as this rebuild speeds up and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you start to really chase the playoffs. But could we
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  Speaker 3: see one of these guys, these backups that are you know,
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  Speaker 3: going to be getting more minutes now? Is will Hardy
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  Speaker 3: rest guys in the fourth quarter. Could we see one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys or a couple of those guys become
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  Speaker 3: bigger part of the Jazz plans?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, very much, and that would be is a Kalia,
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  Speaker 4: who's very good. That guy if he played a thirty
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  Speaker 4: minutes in a game, we get a double double meaning
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  Speaker 4: assist in points. And he's vastly underrated and that was
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  Speaker 4: a jackpot when the Jazz drafted him back in two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and twenty four at the twenty ninth pick of
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  Speaker 4: the draft, so he was the one pickaway from this
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  Speaker 4: number thirty and now was fast forwarded a year and
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  Speaker 4: a half later. He can play well in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: Most of these guys can play in the NBA. The
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  Speaker 4: question is can he play well, and he can so
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  Speaker 4: going forward, he should be, if not the starting point guard,
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  Speaker 4: the backup point guard if you play, if you play
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  Speaker 4: Conte George off the ball as a two guard, which
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  Speaker 4: could happen. Also because County calm. He's a guard, which
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  Speaker 4: is fine. He can score the ball, he can pass
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  Speaker 4: the ball. Kallie is more of a mentality of a
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  Speaker 4: point guard because everybody involved, you need both on the team.
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  Speaker 4: So Kylie's going to be the guy also right sense
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  Speaker 4: ofball off the bench. His contractor is team friendly. He's
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  Speaker 4: got a winning game, he's fearless and in a positive way,
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  Speaker 4: and he can make shots. So he also, I believe,
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  Speaker 4: will be part of the future.
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  Speaker 3: What are you hearing about Jared Jackson Junior's integration into
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  Speaker 3: the team. We're seeing on the floor that he appears
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  Speaker 3: not to be skipping a beat, but you know, the
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes locker room type stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Is he happy to be in Salt Lake City? What
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  Speaker 1: are you hearing?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure he's a static to be in Salt Lake
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  Speaker 4: City because Memphis was a good fifth of him, But
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  Speaker 4: the last three years with Joe Moran, saga and just
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  Speaker 4: things going differently all the time. They fight Tyler Jenkins,
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  Speaker 4: who's a tour of the tremendous coach. We know behind
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  Speaker 4: the scenes there's different things going on with the ownership
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  Speaker 4: and the coaching staff. And he's a static to be
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  Speaker 4: with Utah, which is a more stable situation, and he's valued.
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  Speaker 4: He's what the Jazz need. The Jazz need another scorer
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  Speaker 4: for what he does though. He's a tremendous shop blocker.
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  Speaker 4: He knows how to play the game with the ball
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  Speaker 4: without the ball, and he's it's the right fit. He's alcohola,
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  Speaker 4: he's a stretch big. He can play both power forward
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  Speaker 4: and also he could play center, so they get a
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  Speaker 4: versatility in him. And now he's in the prime of
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  Speaker 4: his career and he's going to deliver for the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: and I'm glad they had it. Was a perfect guy,
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  Speaker 4: made a great trade last Tuesday. The three guys they
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  Speaker 4: got or have value and the Jazz, I would rate them.
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  Speaker 4: As far as that trade, they give him A. As
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  Speaker 4: far as the report card, they get a A. Remember, Sean,
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  Speaker 4: you and I in our report card we never got
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  Speaker 4: an A and all life you know, I mean Mighty's
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  Speaker 4: Jim class. In case you're wondering, Yeah, how'd you know?
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  Speaker 4: Especially me, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your what's your list today?
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  Speaker 4: By list today, Sean, We're talked about Darren Peterson in
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  Speaker 4: the draft, etc. This is my list in the current
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  Speaker 4: tense of the NBA twenty five twenty six all Undrafted team.
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  Speaker 4: I picked out fifteen guys that would never drafted show,
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  Speaker 4: which means June twenty something each year of the NBA Draft.
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  Speaker 4: These guys were invited to the party. They weren't eight listers,
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  Speaker 4: but these guys all complain the NBA and some of
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  Speaker 4: them are borderline someday all stars. Here we go. Number
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  Speaker 4: fifteen Jack lent Out from the Atlanta Hawks. He was
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  Speaker 4: a guy against the Jets. They today had a double
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  Speaker 4: double his first game with the Hawks. Number fourteen Duncan
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  Speaker 4: Robinson from the Pistons. Number eleven Keon Ellis defensive player
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  Speaker 4: that played for the Kings, now plays for the Cavaliers.
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  Speaker 4: Number thirteen. Julie Champenny from the Spurs, number eleven. Knockdown
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  Speaker 4: shooter from the Celtics. Sam Hauser number ten, just got
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  Speaker 4: traded from the Pelicans. He's grateful to his hometown New
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  Speaker 4: York Knicks. Jose Alvarado number nine, Durians, Finney Smith of
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  Speaker 4: the Rockets, number eight. This guy's name. He impacts every
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  Speaker 4: game he plays in defensively. Alice Crusoe of the Thunder
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  Speaker 4: number seven, his sidekick on the court. Starts for the Thunder.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Canadian. Also Ludot undrafted number six. We all
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  Speaker 4: know this guy also. He's a tremendous off the bench
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  Speaker 4: energy spark plug for the Indiana Pacers. Te J McConnell
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  Speaker 4: all right number five. This season, Jay Hoff from the Pacers.
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  Speaker 4: He's fifed in the NBA in block shots at one
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  Speaker 4: point nine blocks per game. He was never drafted from
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  Speaker 4: years of Virginia. He's been packedful with the Pacers and
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  Speaker 4: when to get Haliburton back next season and they draft
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  Speaker 4: high in the lottery. The Paces right back as far
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  Speaker 4: as contending for the championship. Number four in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: fourth seawn he was vowed the sixth minute of the
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  Speaker 4: year after not being drafted to not being drafted from
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  Speaker 4: the Timberwolves. Nazri number three. He plays for the Mavericks.
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  Speaker 4: He's tremendous as far as emerging player. He's defensive minded.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Cooper Flag sidekick. Nazi Marshall number two. This
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  Speaker 4: guy played in the G League for the last two years.
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  Speaker 4: He got called up by the Phoenix Suns. Now the
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  Speaker 4: Suns can't play without him in the game. He gives
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  Speaker 4: them stability. He allows Devin Brooker to play off the ball,
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  Speaker 4: and the Sons now were thirty one and twenty two
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  Speaker 4: because of the new coach, but also because of this guy.
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  Speaker 4: His name is Colin Gillespie. He's averaging thirteen point six
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  Speaker 4: points a game, four point seven assists, forty two point
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  Speaker 4: six point threes, and he played in the G League
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  Speaker 4: to about half a year ago. And the number one
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  Speaker 4: player this year. There's my all undrafted team is Austin Reefs.
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  Speaker 4: Undrafted out of college with State. He plays for the Lakers.
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  Speaker 4: He's averaging twenty five points seven points per game, six assist,
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  Speaker 4: fifty point eight fielder percentage from the field. That's my
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  Speaker 4: fifteen top players this year undrafted quickly? What about jazz veasketball?
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  Speaker 4: The number one player and jazz history those undrafted is
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  Speaker 4: Joe Ingles, the number one leader in the jazz history
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  Speaker 4: with one thousand and seventy one Korean mad threes. That's
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  Speaker 4: my list of today, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, do you have any Olympic updates?
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  Speaker 4: Ooh, well, wh I know one thing. I love ice dancing.
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  Speaker 2: I know that.
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  Speaker 4: I know that I love ice dancing. So I watch
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  Speaker 4: you with my wife and I and I'm a sap
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  Speaker 4: that hard. I get emotional when he's skaters. I pray
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  Speaker 4: the look that don't fall down and hurt themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ice dancing so far has been good. We're
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  Speaker 3: we're just getting into all of our our Olympics coverage
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  Speaker 3: here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 4: So it's would you like what do you guys like?
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  Speaker 1: Well, James is our curling expert.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the downhill events, like watching
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  Speaker 3: those downhill skiing.
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  Speaker 1: The dog that got loose on the track yesterday, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you saw that.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love all of it.
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  Speaker 3: The Olympic downhill skiing is absolutely insane and the new
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  Speaker 3: camera work that they do with the drone. The drone camera, Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: I think gives it much better sense than we ever
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  Speaker 3: had before of just how extreme those courses are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then also the Bops that would be the
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  Speaker 4: Bop SLIG competition, and we know that it's incredible intense
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  Speaker 4: and every second does matter, every little angle, every little
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  Speaker 4: movement by a teammate affects the speed up, the speed
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  Speaker 4: up the vehicle, and it's spectacular.
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  Speaker 3: I love it, all right, Gordy will become our official
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  Speaker 3: Olympic Ice Dancing correspondent for these twenty twenty six games
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  Speaker 3: in middle.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll study it, Okay, all right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Like that, Gordy. I always appreciate your time and your
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  Speaker 1: contributions to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Sir, Thank you, Thanks on peace outs, Stay
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  Speaker 3: Well, Gordy Chiasa our resident NBA guru here on the
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  Speaker 3: Shot O'Connell show