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Katie Woolf spoke with NT Police Commander Matt Hollamby · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: One of the other issues which seems to be causing
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Speaker 1: some serious concern and confusion at the moment is when
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Speaker 1: it comes to fishing. We know that recreational and commercial
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Speaker 1: fishes were shocked over the weekend following a public notice
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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory News which said that from twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one, permits would be required to access indigenous into
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Speaker 1: tidal waters.
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Speaker 2: Now joining us on the.
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Speaker 1: Line to talk more about the situation from AFAT is
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Speaker 1: the president of the Amateur Fishermen's Association, Warren Dewick.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Warren.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning, Katie, Warren.
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Speaker 2: What is going on? Where is this situation at.
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Speaker 3: It's very unclear at the moment where in the negotiations
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Speaker 3: or getting some information to us from the NLC and
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Speaker 3: also from the Northern Churchy government to try and clarify
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Speaker 3: where we actually are with it. My understanding is that
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Speaker 3: Marion's made a couple of announcements saying that we don't
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Speaker 3: require a permit, And if Marion's saying that we don't
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Speaker 3: require a firmit that's okay by me. So at this
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Speaker 3: stage I would say people just staying back and wait
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Speaker 3: for a second or two until it gets a little
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Speaker 3: bit more information out to everybody so that we know
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Speaker 3: exactly where we're going. Yes, even started from the Northern
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Speaker 3: Endcouncil putting that gazette in the paper declaring that people
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Speaker 3: need a permit as of the first of January, which
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Speaker 3: is not in a line with what we were told
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Speaker 3: was going to happen or what did happen after the
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Speaker 3: full council meeting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that sent everybody into a bit of
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Speaker 1: a spin wondering exactly what the go is now. As
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Speaker 1: you've just said, we understand as well that Marion Scrimjaw
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Speaker 1: from the Northern Land Council has spoken or I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure whether there's been an interview happened or whether there's
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Speaker 1: been a media statement sent through to the ABC, but
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Speaker 1: that there has been that discussion that permits won't be required.
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Speaker 1: But I guess at this stage Warrem we're all sort
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Speaker 1: of still a bit up in the air, aren't we.
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Speaker 3: I definitely, And it's very confusing the left hand and
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Speaker 3: the right end not sort of understanding where they're going
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Speaker 3: at the moment. So hopefully the Northern Land Council can
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Speaker 3: get together and see what they need to do to
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Speaker 3: fix it if it is to be fixed, or make
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Speaker 3: it more clear to everybody prior to the first of January,
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Speaker 3: so that we know exactly what we're dealing with here
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Speaker 3: at the moment. And obviously, if Marian is correct in
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Speaker 3: what she's saying, the Northern Land Council will need to
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Speaker 3: issue another public notice in the paper because those notices
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Speaker 3: are a statutory with notice, which means they have to
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Speaker 3: have another notice for revoking that original information put out
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Speaker 3: in the paper last Friday and Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, Look, we've put in a call to see
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Speaker 1: if we can get somebody from the Northern Lane Council
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Speaker 1: on the show, whether it's Marian Scrimjaw or somebody else,
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Speaker 1: or whether we can at the very least get a
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Speaker 1: statement to try to really clarify this for our listeners.
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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people who listen to
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Speaker 1: the show obviously get out on the water and fish
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Speaker 1: and from what I can gather, that notice that appeared
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Speaker 1: on Friday sent everyone into a real spin.
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Speaker 3: Well it didn't send us in a real spin as well.
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Speaker 3: We didn't see this coming and we were on the
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Speaker 3: understanding that the access agreement was extended for another two
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Speaker 3: years and that everything was still as it was prior
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Speaker 3: to the full Council meeting, that everybody was okay to
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Speaker 3: go fishing intertidal waters overlying Aboriginal land. So we were
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Speaker 3: under that impression and then all of a sudden these
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Speaker 3: notices come out and sort of left us a little
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Speaker 3: bit confused about exactly what the Northern Land Council is
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Speaker 3: trying to achieve by doing this. I'm not sure why
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Speaker 3: they would do this and provoke recreational anglers and everyone
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Speaker 3: to confuse the hell out of us for a start,
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Speaker 3: But hopefully Marion can sort of get some clear air
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Speaker 3: to us so that we can see what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Warren, If indeed a permit is required from January
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Speaker 1: next year, a few weeks away, what would that mean
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Speaker 1: for fishing in the territory.
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Speaker 3: Well, it'll be chaos. I mean, I don't know whether
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Speaker 3: the Northern Land Council are organized yet to have a
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Speaker 3: permit system put in place. I think what the idea
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Speaker 3: was was to let everyone know that the red area
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Speaker 3: was the areas that hadn't been fully consulted with the
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Speaker 3: traditional owners from the Northern Land Council and until they
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Speaker 3: get those full consultations completed. Those red areas were not
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Speaker 3: areas that were allowed to go into without a permit,
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Speaker 3: and I understand that the permit is not going to
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Speaker 3: be issued until those negotiations are completed. So we're still
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Speaker 3: totally confused even if we need a permit, because there's
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Speaker 3: two different stories being told to us about why we
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Speaker 3: need a permit if we do to go into those
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Speaker 3: red areas and obviously the Yellow area. We managed to
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Speaker 3: get an extension from Marion till the first of March
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Speaker 3: for those Yellow areas, and then after the first of
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Speaker 3: March we are required according to the gazette to get
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Speaker 3: a permit for those areas. So it is very confusing
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Speaker 3: at the moment, and hopefully within a few days time
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Speaker 3: we'll be able to get some better information from the
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Speaker 3: Northern Land Council and from the Northern Territory Government to
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Speaker 3: be able to put out for the public. But at
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Speaker 3: the moment, I would say everything's still the same. I
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Speaker 3: would tell people not to panic. It's all going to
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Speaker 3: be sorted out one way or the other with the
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Speaker 3: Northern Land Council and the Northern Territory Government and stakeholders
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Speaker 3: to try and make sure that we all get back
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Speaker 3: to the negotiating tables and that we can see a
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Speaker 3: clear view of what the Northern Land Council and traditional
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Speaker 3: owners would like in those areas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, Larren.
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Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at a map right now, and
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Speaker 1: those red areas, there's a lot of red area there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lot area there. That is the
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Speaker 3: area that they haven't finished the consultations with us yet,
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Speaker 3: so they're trying to finish them off as soon as
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Speaker 3: they can. So hopefully we'll have a better idea in
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Speaker 3: the coming weeks with those areas as well before hopefully
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Speaker 3: before the first of March.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, Warren, I know that you know, even after
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Speaker 1: the discussion that we've had so far, there'll be a
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Speaker 1: lot of people still feeling a bit confused. What if
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Speaker 1: you could give our listeners one piece of advice, what
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Speaker 1: would it be.
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Speaker 3: Carry on as usual? Marian said that there was those
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Speaker 3: permits or the actual waiver is still in place until
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Speaker 3: we hear otherwise, I would say that nothing changed and
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Speaker 3: I would just allow things to happen as they are.
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Speaker 3: So if you were planning to go fishing after the
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Speaker 3: first of January, until we find out Otherwise I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: let it worry you too much. I would just sort
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Speaker 3: of wait and see what happens in the next couple
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Speaker 3: of days.
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Speaker 1: Why do you.
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Speaker 2: Reckon this notice has gone in the paper on the weekend.
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Speaker 3: I've got no idea. And I did try and find
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Speaker 3: that out from the Northern Land Council what the purpose
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Speaker 3: of this was, and I think there's a little bit
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Speaker 3: of confusion about the reason for it because I don't
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Speaker 3: see anything there it's a gain from the Northern Land
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Speaker 3: Council doing this other than dividing territories. And that's the
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Speaker 3: last thing we want is the division between traditional owners
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Speaker 3: or owners of that Blue Mud Bay areas and the
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Speaker 3: rest of the Northern Territory population. So we're here to
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Speaker 3: work together. We want to get back to the table
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Speaker 3: and try and get these negotiations back on track. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure that's what Marion wants. I'm sure that's what Sammy Bush,
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Speaker 3: the President of the Northern Land Council wants as well.
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Speaker 3: So hopefully they can sit down with us and with
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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Government in the coming days so that
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Speaker 3: we can get some idea of exactly where we're all
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Speaker 3: going to sit once this settles down a bit.
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Speaker 1: But Warren, have you had the opportunity to sit down
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Speaker 1: with the NLC at this point or have a conversation
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Speaker 1: with them at this point.
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Speaker 3: I've had a conversation with Sammy Bush the other day
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Speaker 3: when I first seen this come out, but he wasn't
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Speaker 3: aware of it. Also, I don't think he seemed to
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Speaker 3: be a little bit sidelinded by it as well, a
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Speaker 3: bit like what Marion was by the sound of it.
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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure whether the Northern Land Council needs
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Speaker 3: to clear this up. I means nothing that I can
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Speaker 3: say or do that's going to make it any clearer
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Speaker 3: to people. I mean, until the Northern Land Council comes
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Speaker 3: out and test everybody. This is where it is, this
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Speaker 3: is what's going to happen, and this is the situation
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Speaker 3: that when at the moment, then and only then we
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Speaker 3: know which direction to go in.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will continue to put in those
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Speaker 1: calls to see if we can get somebody from the
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Speaker 1: Northern Land Council on or at the very least at
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Speaker 1: least have a statement that we're able to read out
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Speaker 1: to let people know exactly what's happening. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 1: carry on as usual.
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Speaker 3: Well that's my Yeah, that's what I would do. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I don't see any reason why not to. I mean,
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Speaker 3: the Non Land Council of saying through Marion that the
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Speaker 3: gazette is maybe incorrect. So hopefully there will be another
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Speaker 3: gazette put out rectifying that. Because our belief in the
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Speaker 3: Norn Terarity government belief was that the waiver was going
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Speaker 3: to be extended termit free access to those into tidal
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Speaker 3: waters and hill December twenty two. So let's hope that's
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Speaker 3: what's going to happen so that we can all get
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Speaker 3: back to the negotiating totle.
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Speaker 2: I reckon.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're also due to catch up with the Minister
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Speaker 1: after ten o'clock, so we'll see what else we can
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Speaker 1: find out. Warren, really good to talk to you, mate,
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time today.
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Speaker 3: All of us.
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Speaker 2: Baty, thank you.
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Speaker 1: That's Warren DeWitt there, who is the president of AFANT,
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Speaker 1: the Amateur Fishermen's Association of the Northern Territory. Tell you what,
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Speaker 6: Goodbarding, Matte, Goodbarding, Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
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Speaker 1: Now we'll talk about crime stats in a couple of moments.
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Speaker 1: But I understand that the Northern Territory Police had quite
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Speaker 6: holiday road safety campaign. That's a territory wide campaign. But
19:07
Speaker 6: in terms of Darwin, on Friday night, we had a
19:10
Speaker 6: number of significant random breath testing sites. We tested a
19:14
Speaker 6: total of seventeen hundred people for drink driving and fifty
19:18
Speaker 6: one for drug driving. Sadly, there was a woman who's
19:24
Speaker 6: been issued with a notice to appear for driving under
19:26
Speaker 6: the influence of amphetamines, and there was fifteen people that
19:31
Speaker 6: tested positive for drink driving, So it's a bit sad.
19:36
Speaker 7: You know.
19:36
Speaker 6: We alerted the public that we were going to do it,
19:39
Speaker 6: and some people obviously just didn't listen.
19:41
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why it's so hard for people
19:44
Speaker 1: to not get behind the wheel after they've been drinking.
19:46
Speaker 2: Were those readings high or how were they?
19:49
Speaker 4: Look?
19:49
Speaker 6: Most of them were actually quite low. It's, you know,
19:51
Speaker 6: the people who had a few drinks after work type scenario.
19:54
Speaker 5: But there was one person that was.
19:58
Speaker 6: Arrested with a reading of point two zero. Wow, So
20:01
Speaker 6: that's ridiculous. That's ridiculously high. And you know, I think
20:07
Speaker 6: we probably saved a significant crash on the night I reckon.
20:10
Speaker 1: I mean, when you arrest somebody who's got such a
20:13
Speaker 1: high reading, are they quite visibly intoxicated?
20:17
Speaker 6: Look, it depends, KDI. It depends on the person's tolerance.
20:20
Speaker 6: You know, people like yourself and myself, i'd probably be
20:23
Speaker 6: unconscious at point to use it point two. You know,
20:26
Speaker 6: the readings, you know up around the point three you
20:30
Speaker 6: basically have to be a chronic alcoholic to reach that level.
20:33
Speaker 2: It's quite unbelievable.
20:34
Speaker 1: That's what I thought to myself. You know, I can't
20:36
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine reading.
20:38
Speaker 2: Being that high.
20:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, you know, I will say that nine
20:44
Speaker 6: of the readings were low range. That's low range has
20:47
Speaker 6: been between point zero five and point zero eight. And yeah,
20:50
Speaker 6: they are the people that just had one too many
20:52
Speaker 6: after after work and yeah, got caught.
20:57
Speaker 1: And just that reminder really for those people, for all
20:59
Speaker 1: of us, because I guess that's certainly much easier to
21:01
Speaker 1: do to have one too many.
21:03
Speaker 2: You know, I guess it's a good reminder.
21:05
Speaker 1: For us to either get a taxi, have a you
21:07
Speaker 1: have a sober ball or call, you know, get an uber.
21:10
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely.
21:11
Speaker 6: And look, you know, nearly fifty percent of our fatal
21:14
Speaker 6: crashes are.
21:15
Speaker 5: Caused by drink driving. It's a causal factor.
21:18
Speaker 6: And I think you know, if if you seriously hurt
21:23
Speaker 6: or killed one of your family members or another member
21:26
Speaker 6: of the public whilst driving under the influence of alcohol
21:28
Speaker 6: or drugs, it's going to ruin your life forever. And
21:34
Speaker 6: you know, we've had thirty people die in our roads
21:36
Speaker 6: this year, and Christmas, we know was a time of celebration,
21:40
Speaker 6: and we just asked people to be sensible and don't
21:43
Speaker 6: drink and drive.
21:44
Speaker 11: Yeah.
21:44
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
21:46
Speaker 1: Now we also know that Northern Territory Police had to
21:48
Speaker 1: issue one driver a notice to appear and seized another
21:51
Speaker 1: driver's vehicle after a honing incident in the city on
21:55
Speaker 1: the weekend. As I understand that police were conducting foot
21:58
Speaker 1: patrols on Kitchen, a drive hold and commodore was observed
22:02
Speaker 1: honing before losing.
22:03
Speaker 2: Control, crashing into the curb.
22:05
Speaker 1: As police approached, the driver attempted to take off before
22:09
Speaker 1: reversing into one of the officers.
22:11
Speaker 2: Is that officer, okay.
22:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, the officer is Okay, he's got bruising, fairly substantial
22:17
Speaker 6: bruising to his leg. You know, this is just a
22:21
Speaker 6: honing incident by young people that were being.
22:24
Speaker 5: Idiots, and.
22:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, it hurt somebody in the process and now they're
22:29
Speaker 6: going to have to suffer the consequences.
22:31
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
22:31
Speaker 1: What's so lucky that that police officer is actually okay
22:34
Speaker 1: with something like that happening, isn't it.
22:36
Speaker 7: Yeah?
22:36
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think he's in good spirits. You know, he
22:40
Speaker 6: obviously going to be a bit sore for a day
22:42
Speaker 6: or two. But you know, sometimes the difference between not
22:47
Speaker 6: crashing and having a fatal crash can be millimeters or milliseconds,
22:51
Speaker 6: so very very important to bear that.
22:53
Speaker 5: In mind on our roads.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:54
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Now, Commander, we know that the crime stats were
22:59
Speaker 1: released late on Friday, and by the look of things,
23:03
Speaker 1: I've had a bit of a look through Darwin, both
23:05
Speaker 1: Darwin and Palmerston, and we know that Palmerston includes the
23:08
Speaker 1: Greater Darwin region or.
23:09
Speaker 2: The rural area.
23:10
Speaker 1: It does seem as though things like house breakings, commercial
23:14
Speaker 1: break ins, and motor vehicle theft are on the decline. Unfortunately,
23:18
Speaker 1: we've had quite big increases in things like alcohol related
23:21
Speaker 1: assault and domestic violence. I mean, do you think I
23:25
Speaker 1: guess statistics are always a bit difficult because there are
23:27
Speaker 1: a snapshot in time. But is that your sense on
23:30
Speaker 1: the ground at the moment. Are things sort of starting
23:32
Speaker 1: to quieten down a little bit when you talk about
23:34
Speaker 1: those home break ins and that, or is it not
23:37
Speaker 1: really the case?
23:38
Speaker 6: Look, Katie, these statistics are twelve months, a snapshot of
23:42
Speaker 6: twelve months compared to the previous twelve months, and you know,
23:47
Speaker 6: sometimes really it more depends on what happened eighteen months
23:50
Speaker 6: ago than what happened today. So but having said that,
23:55
Speaker 6: we've had we had a good run of six months
23:57
Speaker 6: of very very record.
23:59
Speaker 5: Low crime rates.
24:00
Speaker 2: That was during COVID.
24:01
Speaker 6: It was that was during COVID. But you know, year
24:05
Speaker 6: on a year it's down. But in terms of the
24:07
Speaker 6: here and now, there has been some spikes and with
24:10
Speaker 6: you know, our Springs is probably the most notable one,
24:12
Speaker 6: but you know, there was a spike in the rural
24:14
Speaker 6: area for a short period of time and Coroama and Malac.
24:18
Speaker 6: I've obviously got a lot of attention of late. But
24:23
Speaker 6: you know, statistically crime is down. Some people will say, oh, yeah, whatever,
24:29
Speaker 6: but you know, the fear of crime and the perceptions
24:32
Speaker 6: of crime are really important as well as you'd appreciate.
24:36
Speaker 5: So you know, we we probably need to do some
24:38
Speaker 5: more work in that space.
24:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about the rural area and Karama
24:43
Speaker 1: and Malac, how are things going? I know that there
24:46
Speaker 1: was that public meeting obviously in Karama and Malak.
24:48
Speaker 2: How are things going with those areas?
24:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, Carrama and Malac, in terms of house breakings,
24:55
Speaker 6: they weren't that you know, any any crime is but
25:01
Speaker 6: house breakings weren't as high as people thought. What was
25:08
Speaker 6: most noticeable was the smashing of indiscriminate smashing of windows,
25:12
Speaker 6: you know, property damage, and it was you know, if
25:18
Speaker 6: you're a victim, you don't want to hear this, but
25:20
Speaker 6: it was nuisance crime of predominantly children doing stupid things.
25:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you sort of stop that?
25:28
Speaker 1: Because I know it's so hard for people that live
25:30
Speaker 1: in those areas. I know if I lived there and
25:32
Speaker 1: I was worried that my home was going to be
25:34
Speaker 1: the windows smashed or whatever. It's hard if you're at
25:37
Speaker 1: home with little kids, and while it's nuisance crime, it
25:39
Speaker 1: feels really unsafe.
25:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, as I say, I don't mean to
25:42
Speaker 6: downplay it in any way. If you're the victim of
25:46
Speaker 6: that crime, it's not a nuisance, it's really bad. But yeah,
25:50
Speaker 6: we're working with territory families. We've obviously got our youth
25:53
Speaker 6: operation that's going over the Christmas holiday period. Well it's
25:56
Speaker 6: not just a youth crime operation, it's a youth engagement
26:00
Speaker 6: as well. Territory families have a big, big role to play.
26:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, last time you and I spoke, I know that
26:07
Speaker 1: you'd said that there were some nights where your officers
26:10
Speaker 1: were having to drop some people home, you know, several
26:13
Speaker 1: times some of those young people home several times in
26:16
Speaker 1: a night.
26:17
Speaker 2: Has that improved much?
26:18
Speaker 6: Look, I think it has, But for some of the
26:21
Speaker 6: more encourageable kids, it was a bit of a game
26:24
Speaker 6: where you know, you go home and you jump the
26:25
Speaker 6: back fence just as the police leave, and so yeah,
26:29
Speaker 6: it is a bit of a game. But again it's
26:32
Speaker 6: about reassuring the community that not every child that you
26:34
Speaker 6: see on the street is a criminal.
26:38
Speaker 5: You know, some of them are committing dumb crimes, stupid crimes.
26:44
Speaker 6: But you know, if your children are walking down the street,
26:48
Speaker 6: you don't want people looking at them thinking that they're criminals.
26:51
Speaker 5: So it's not always the case.
26:54
Speaker 6: Well, you know, Carima and Malac, there's a lot of
26:57
Speaker 6: young people living in those subs and we engage with
27:02
Speaker 6: them as best we can.
27:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt, can I just ask very quickly just back
27:06
Speaker 1: to those crime stats because I know that domestic violence
27:09
Speaker 1: is something that there has been an operation that's been
27:12
Speaker 1: launched in recent days from the crime stats, and I
27:16
Speaker 1: know that, like we said, it is a bit of
27:17
Speaker 1: a snapshot in time, but there does seem to be
27:19
Speaker 1: a real increase in that domestic violence. Is that sort
27:23
Speaker 1: of I mean, does that relate to that COVID lockdown
27:26
Speaker 1: as well?
27:26
Speaker 2: Do you think?
27:27
Speaker 5: Look, I think it does in part.
27:29
Speaker 6: But you know, the awareness of domestic violence is you know,
27:34
Speaker 6: we do a lot of work in terms of advertising
27:38
Speaker 6: that domestic violence is not on. So it might be that,
27:43
Speaker 6: you know, there might be a more reporting, which is
27:47
Speaker 6: a positive. But having said that, domestic violence reports are
27:51
Speaker 6: going up, that's really really sad and I don't really
27:55
Speaker 6: think it gets enough airtime in terms of you know,
27:58
Speaker 6: people are solding their own family member, which is which
28:00
Speaker 6: is pretty sad.
28:01
Speaker 2: Really it is. It's terrible.
28:03
Speaker 1: It's a terrible situation, and it seems to be something
28:06
Speaker 1: that we've got a real issue within the territory. I
28:08
Speaker 1: know how police are certainly trying to focus on it.
28:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And look, Christmas is a time for family,
28:15
Speaker 6: but it can also be a stressful time for families
28:18
Speaker 6: that aren't doing well or they're struggling, whether it's financially
28:21
Speaker 6: or or for other reasons. So it can exacerbate family issues.
28:26
Speaker 6: But we you know, we ask it to be a
28:28
Speaker 6: happy time and a good time for families. And you know,
28:34
Speaker 6: if you get worked up, just take a walk. It's
28:39
Speaker 6: you know, assaulting is assaulting a family member is never
28:42
Speaker 6: on It's never It's never acceptable.
28:44
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, well, Commander Matt Hollumby, we are going to
28:47
Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you very much for
28:49
Speaker 1: your time this morning. All the best, hope you have
28:51
Speaker 1: a lovely Christmas and to all your team as well.
28:53
Speaker 6: Always a pleasure, Katie, and have a merry Christmas to
28:57
Speaker 6: you and to all of your.
28:59
Speaker 5: Listeners as well.
28:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you. We'll talk to you again in
29:02
Speaker 2: the new.
29:02
Speaker 5: Year, all right, have a good one
29:03
Speaker 2: For you too.