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The Panel Today Covering the Legislation Around Knife Crime, The Initiative Of The Acting Police Commissioner, The School Councillors and A Stabbing In Nightcliff · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: His attempt to bring new bail laws to Parliament on
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  Speaker 1: urgency was shut down by Labour's majority. Attempts were made
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  Speaker 1: by the opposition leader to debate the party's proposed amendment
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  Speaker 1: that would give all violent offenders a presumption against bail,
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  Speaker 1: but the Labor caucus voted against that move, as I understand,
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  Speaker 1: to suspend all standing orders and debate leafanocchi AIRO's bill,
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  Speaker 1: which was introduced well earlier that morning. A government spokesperson
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  Speaker 1: had said that Labor members adjourned debate as they had
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  Speaker 1: not all seen a copy of the legislation nor were
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  Speaker 1: offered a briefing.
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  Speaker 2: Josh were they.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen the government come into Parliament many times before
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  Speaker 3: and push through legislation on urgency. You rightly pointing out
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  Speaker 3: this morning, Katie, that there's a lot happening in our community. People.
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  Speaker 3: People are hurting right now, and what the COLP opposition
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  Speaker 3: attempted to do was to put legislation before Parliament that
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  Speaker 3: could then strengthen bail laws and ensure that territorians felt safer. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: after just forty seven seconds of the leader of the opposition,
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  Speaker 3: Lea for Nocchiero, being on her feet that was shut down.
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  Speaker 3: If the Labor Party were really interested in working with
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  Speaker 3: us and actually hearing what we had to say, they
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't have shut that down. So that's really frustrating for
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  Speaker 3: not just ourselves but obviously everyone in the community that
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  Speaker 3: feels like more needs to be done to ensure that
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  Speaker 3: Territorians feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, chancey is that democracy forty seven seconds and
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  Speaker 1: not allowing that to actually go through.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Katie, I think that there's certainly more to say
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  Speaker 4: here than what we're hearing from the COLP, and that
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  Speaker 4: is Yes, government has brought in things on urgency previously,
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  Speaker 4: but we've always offered prior to that briefings to the opposition,
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  Speaker 4: which they have taken up. What the CLP attempted to
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  Speaker 4: do this week was bringing in a bill that had
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  Speaker 4: not been offered briefings prior to its introduction into Parliament
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  Speaker 4: to the government to understand what it is that they
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  Speaker 4: were asking for or what those changes are. And we
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  Speaker 4: need to be clear that any legislation has the potential
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  Speaker 4: to have unintended consequences on other areas.
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  Speaker 1: Of all of the government intended about somebody who's committed
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  Speaker 1: a violent offense not being able to get bail.
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  Speaker 4: Katie, It's important that when you are bringing legislation through,
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  Speaker 4: you provide a briefing and you actually consult with people,
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  Speaker 4: with stakeholders and with government agencies around unintended consequences that
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  Speaker 4: it has on the rest of the justice.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you reckon some of those unintended consequences
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  Speaker 1: may have been certainly.
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  Speaker 4: When you're talking about this, it obviously will have an
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  Speaker 4: impact on how the court process is, on the correctional environment,
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  Speaker 4: and these are things that we need to work with
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  Speaker 4: and understand and talk to external stakeholders and community organizations
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Josh, what do you make of that reality is a
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  Speaker 3: government knew exactly what this was. That's why they shut
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  Speaker 3: it down after forty seven seconds. If they wanted to
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  Speaker 3: hear more about the legislation and how it would actually
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  Speaker 3: affect the laws, they could have at least taken the
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  Speaker 3: time to listen to the leader of opposition put forward
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  Speaker 3: a case that wasn't given to us.
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  Speaker 5: We were shut.
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  Speaker 3: Down and at the end of the day, now we'll
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  Speaker 3: have to wait until at earliest July, the end of
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  Speaker 3: July to further de legislation.
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  Speaker 1: It did feel to me in Keysier, you know, correct me,
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  Speaker 1: You've been in Parliament for a long time, but it
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  Speaker 1: did feel to me like the government was more interested
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  Speaker 1: in sort of trying to make the opposition leader looking
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  Speaker 1: effective or look silly then actually hearing some of the
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  Speaker 1: concerns from the community in this space.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, this government is well known for shutting
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  Speaker 6: down the debate from motions from the opposition, whether prece
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  Speaker 6: out committees or to do what they're doing now their
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  Speaker 6: own Private members bill. You would think that as a
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  Speaker 6: matter of political and parliamentary courtesy, perhaps not political parliamentary courtesy,
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  Speaker 6: you'd at least listen and hear the member out for
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  Speaker 6: their speech which they would have prepared, and then perhaps say, look,
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  Speaker 6: we move the motion be put, which means basically for
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  Speaker 6: those listening it, that means shuts down debate altogether. But
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  Speaker 6: it's just it's another example, and it's happened time and
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  Speaker 6: time again with this governor this term and perhaps a
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  Speaker 6: little bit of the last term. Is they don't want debate,
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  Speaker 6: they don't accept censures, they don't accept you know, committees
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  Speaker 6: being set up, not just the opposition. The member for
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  Speaker 6: Malka mark ya Ya, he's tried to put us a
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  Speaker 6: committee together. That was not back. He's tried to do
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  Speaker 6: other things that's not back unless it's specifically the government's agenda.
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  Speaker 6: And I get it. The governments. The government is the government,
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  Speaker 6: so they run the main agenda of the parliament to
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  Speaker 6: get through their policies and laws. But for a parliamentary process,
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  Speaker 6: like Leah Fnocuero is representing her constituents and her party's constituents,
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  Speaker 6: so they too have concerns and they want to have
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  Speaker 6: their aspirations expressed in the parliament, and the government's not
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  Speaker 6: allowing that to happen. They can disagree with the COLP,
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  Speaker 6: and a lot of the time they do disagree. But
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  Speaker 6: it's got to the stage where the people out there
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  Speaker 6: are getting really cranky with the government of the way
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  Speaker 6: they're just playing lip service to the opposition and pretending
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  Speaker 6: that they're not there. And this business about talking about
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  Speaker 6: the CLP in pask gone days, get over it. You know,
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  Speaker 6: if we keep harping back to the past, well we're
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  Speaker 6: never going to move forward. And the CELP of pass
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  Speaker 6: under the Giles hole of government that's gone. People gone
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  Speaker 6: big time. Well it does as a completely different crop
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  Speaker 6: of people. It actually makes a difference. It does make
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  Speaker 6: it sound like it's a government on the whole.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it sound like it's a government that's concerned
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  Speaker 1: about discussing those issues of crime rather than actually talking
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  Speaker 1: about what they're doing to try to, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: curb these various issues that we are seeing around the place.
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  Speaker 1: But I was quite perplexed and even had a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a laugh. I've got to say. Throughout the week
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  Speaker 1: when I had heard the government asking themselves questions about
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  Speaker 1: the former CLP government, I thought, goodness me, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: like it sounds like it's a government that's in opposition Katie.
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  Speaker 6: Why, I mean, I could suggest to the SELP, why
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  Speaker 6: didn't you talk about what the Labor Party has done
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  Speaker 6: in the past. What about Paul Henderson stabbing Clare Martin
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  Speaker 6: in the back and since dling, what about the big
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  Speaker 6: ship fight over marriage, Scrimgeal wanting to be the deputy
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  Speaker 6: Chief Minister and dealer Lot wanting to be the deputy
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  Speaker 6: Chief Minister, Chris Burns who was forced to resign as
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  Speaker 6: a health minister.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a shortage of short we talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the board when it comes to the history of
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  Speaker 1: politics in the territory.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's right.
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  Speaker 6: There's the good and the batter the ugly in each
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  Speaker 6: political party, you know, and just acknowledge it. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it happened whether you liked it or not, particularly those
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  Speaker 6: who got the stabbing duty. So I shouldn't be talking
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  Speaker 6: about stabbing. No, my apologies, particularly those who are sort
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  Speaker 6: of the losers, shall we say, politically, you know, but
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  Speaker 6: let's keep let's focus for them now and going forward.
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  Speaker 6: If you keep harping back to the past years, that's
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  Speaker 6: where you're going to get stuck. Glabor government, You're going
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  Speaker 6: to get stuck in the past. But the community out
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  Speaker 6: there wants to see vision going forward.
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  Speaker 2: They want to see action, that is for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very
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  Speaker 1: short break because there was some legislation that was passed
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  Speaker 1: throughout the week. I'm going to get to that in
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  Speaker 1: just a couple of moments.
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  Speaker 7: Time.
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  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three
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  Speaker 1: sixty Mixed one or.
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  Speaker 7: Four point nine three sixty the week that was the
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  Speaker 7: most listened to our in Territory radio.
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  Speaker 1: It is just on twenty minutes after nine o'clock and
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  Speaker 1: if you have just joined us in this studio this morning,
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  Speaker 1: we've got Chancey Paig Keesy, Eppuric and Josh Burgoyne, and well,
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  Speaker 1: there has been a lot happened in Parliament. Obviously we're
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  Speaker 1: talking just a moment ago about some of the government's
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  Speaker 1: tactics and some of the opposition's tactics when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to parliamentary question time and various other sort of elements
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  Speaker 1: of what goes.
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  Speaker 2: On throughout parliament.
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  Speaker 1: But there was indeed legislation passed, and we know that
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  Speaker 1: laws granting transit officers the power to use capsicum spray
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  Speaker 1: were one of several government announcements that were made in
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  Speaker 1: the wake of twenty year old Bottleshot.
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  Speaker 2: Worker Decklan Lavity's death.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the Public Transport or Passenger Safety Amendment Bill of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three passed with bipartisan support, despite the Opposition
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  Speaker 1: being concerned about a lack of detail.
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  Speaker 2: It did get through.
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  Speaker 1: What was the lack of detail that the colp was
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  Speaker 1: concerned about, Josh.
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  Speaker 3: What we really were focusing in on here, Katie, was
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  Speaker 3: the amount of training that these people that will be
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  Speaker 3: carrying the OC pepper spray will actually be undergoing. So
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  Speaker 3: from what we've been able to derive, it'll be about
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  Speaker 3: an eight hour course or a one day course, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously then those people will be going out into the
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  Speaker 3: community with this pepper spray. We've been hearing from a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people. Obviously, if you're on a bus and
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  Speaker 3: someone's pepper sprayed, will the people in the immediate vicinity
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  Speaker 3: be affected? Obviously that you don't want to have an
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  Speaker 3: old grandma sitting behind someone and ending up being yeah,
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  Speaker 3: coppying pepper spray. So we asked a range of questions.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously it did pass this legislation with support, but we
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  Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that we asked all those relevant
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  Speaker 3: questions and there was a lot of details around. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: some of those details that when we had the original
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  Speaker 3: briefing the government was still working out.
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of questions actually coming through about the
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  Speaker 1: legislation or what we're looking at when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: that knife crime. People asking will police be issued with
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  Speaker 1: stab vice the same as what happens with the Scottish
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  Speaker 1: and the UK police.
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  Speaker 2: Is that something that's being looked at.
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  Speaker 4: Look again, when we're talking about their knife strategy and
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  Speaker 4: how we work through it. We're working closely with the
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  Speaker 4: Northern Territory Police and the Attorney General and Justice department
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  Speaker 4: around it. So looking at all of those options and
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  Speaker 4: what they've adopted, as Kezia said from Scotland, very good strategy,
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  Speaker 4: so is the UK.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, look, absolutely nothing's off the table when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to that strategy.
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  Speaker 1: I guess just thinking out loud as we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the pepper spray and the oppositions concerns around
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  Speaker 1: lack of detail. I mean some would say that that
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  Speaker 1: has been pushed through and pushed through quite quickly despite
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  Speaker 1: that lack of detail because you know, many people would
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  Speaker 1: feel that it is actually required, but you know, why
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  Speaker 1: not sort of pushing a little bit faster, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit harder.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to the knife changes.
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  Speaker 4: Again, this is about making sure that we have the
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  Speaker 4: best strategy and the best approach in line to tackle
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  Speaker 4: knife crime in the territory. So we've done those immediate
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  Speaker 4: changes to the presumption against bail for violent offenses involving
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  Speaker 4: a weapon. But again it's looking at the healthy education
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  Speaker 4: and also with the police powers, what we can do
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  Speaker 4: to broaden those to wand people whether and that's I
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  Speaker 4: guess where it comes in Katie having a conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Is that territory wide, do we allocate.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of precincts or districts where police have the power
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  Speaker 4: to do that. That's all of stuff that has to
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  Speaker 4: be discussed and that's why we sent some of the
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  Speaker 4: police over to Queensland to look at how that's working.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I think what we did see through the week
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  Speaker 1: as well, obviously Parliament sitting. There's a lot going on
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  Speaker 1: inside of Parliament. A lot of regular everyday Territorians don't
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  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to sit down and you know, listen
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  Speaker 1: to Parliament, but they do listen to us each day.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: And you can read the text messages that come through
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  Speaker 1: if you want to get a real gauge of how
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  Speaker 1: people are feeling. But we did catch up with the
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  Speaker 1: Acting Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy throughout the week and had
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  Speaker 1: a I thought a very constructive discussion with him about
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  Speaker 1: a whole raft of different things. We spoke about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the concerns around knife crime, but we also spoke about
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  Speaker 1: this announcement that was made earlier in the week, a
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  Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars relocation allowance to entice more people to
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  Speaker 1: join the Northern Territory Police Force.
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  Speaker 2: What do we make of that?
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  Speaker 6: It's good Queensland's doing it already. They're doing twenty thousand
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  Speaker 6: dollars to join their force, plus one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 6: four dollars per week to help with your living exit
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  Speaker 6: for each officer. So if you had a couple who
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  Speaker 6: are both police officers or want to be, that's quite
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  Speaker 6: a nice bonus.
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  Speaker 3: To put this in perspective, absolutely, down in Allo Springs
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  Speaker 3: were meant to have about forty two Palis Katie. These
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  Speaker 3: are police who stand on the bottle shops and in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of instances stop that those sorts of terrible
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  Speaker 3: offenses from occurring. We're meant to have forty two. We've
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  Speaker 3: got about twenty, is the advice that I'm hearing. So
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  Speaker 3: we need more police to then cover those positions. So
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  Speaker 3: it's great to hear that we're now going to be
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  Speaker 3: offering more money to get people to move into state.
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  Speaker 3: But I also want to make sure that the police
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  Speaker 3: that we have here are being retained, because I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a big thing that we're seeing at the moment
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  Speaker 3: is unfortunately police are leaving to go to other jurisdictions.
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  Speaker 3: We need to make sure that the police we've invested
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  Speaker 3: in the police we've trained continue to remain here because
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  Speaker 3: that's how we really build up the force and then
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  Speaker 3: get more experienced and.
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  Speaker 6: Also retain your corporate memory in corporate intelligence. And the
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  Speaker 6: other thing I don't was whether he spoke on your show,
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  Speaker 6: but mister Murphy also talked about contacting or reaching out
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  Speaker 6: he did previously just retired or justeut the police force
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  Speaker 6: kind of people at constable sergeant level whatever to get
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  Speaker 6: him to come back, And I reckon that might yield
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  Speaker 6: some success because different leadership, different culture. We know that
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  Speaker 6: the culture previously within the anti police force was not good.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, i'd probably say it as rock bottom.
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  Speaker 1: So we saw that in those police associations.
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  Speaker 6: So Michael Murphy obviously has a completely different attitude and
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  Speaker 6: he's probably more personable. And if you can get back
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  Speaker 6: like let's say six or ten officers who are based
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  Speaker 6: in Darwin to come back, that's a huge boost because
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  Speaker 6: you're also bringing back that corporate memory. You're bringing back
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  Speaker 6: that mentoring potential. You know, they've been in the force
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  Speaker 6: ten years, they can mentor the young fellers and the
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  Speaker 6: young girls.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think the Acting Police Commission has taken a
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  Speaker 4: very proactive approach with a range of things to see
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  Speaker 4: the up to twenty thousand dollars relocation allowance very very good.
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  Speaker 5: I think reaching out to people who have left the
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  Speaker 5: force or who may be on extended leave to get
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  Speaker 5: them to re engage.
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  Speaker 6: Ended sickly because I know this massive lots on extended
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  Speaker 6: clip and they're probably.
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  Speaker 5: Not really well.
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  Speaker 2: To give you an idea that, mister Chalker.
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  Speaker 5: It's a really proactive approach.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the Acting Commissioner has also made that
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  Speaker 4: announcement around having.
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  Speaker 5: The Coffee with a Cop across the territory.
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  Speaker 4: People come and actually have that direct contact and conversations and.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kicking off today actually, so the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: Police and Emergency Services have issued a statements saying to
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  Speaker 1: enhance the relationship the Northern Territory Police Force and with sorry,
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  Speaker 1: to enhance the relationship between the Northern Territory Police Force
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  Speaker 1: and the community. The Acting Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy has
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  Speaker 1: announced that the Coffee with the Cop initiative is going
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  Speaker 1: to recommence today. So it's actually happening in a number
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  Speaker 1: of different locations. It is a concept which was originally
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  Speaker 1: started in the USA back in two thousand and eleven
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  Speaker 1: in an effort to really foster that communication between police
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  Speaker 1: and their local community, which I think is something that
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  Speaker 1: is a really good idea at the moment, well.
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  Speaker 6: Not a good idea and a lovely idea. It also
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  Speaker 6: gives you the situation where people of all books of life,
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  Speaker 6: they're engagement with the police officer is a nice experience.
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  Speaker 5: Its rebuilding of perception and a.
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  Speaker 6: Related that's right because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 6: police officers are just normal people like us. And I
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  Speaker 6: have started my letter to mister mister Murphy in regards
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  Speaker 6: to reconsidering school based constables because that's one of the
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  Speaker 6: components of school based constables is the engagement with the
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  Speaker 6: young people and a police officer is a pleasant one,
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  Speaker 6: is a nice one and they learn things you know
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  Speaker 6: that the officer apart from you know, those programs they
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  Speaker 6: offer pastoral care, but they also offer advice in regards
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  Speaker 6: to staying on the right tracks, or they just might
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  Speaker 6: give advice and support to the young students about anything
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  Speaker 6: that's quite normal and it's a pleasant experience. And they
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  Speaker 6: then they take that away and think, well, those people
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  Speaker 6: out there, you know who do law and order, they're
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  Speaker 6: not all bad guys. You know, so I think I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to continue to try and get school based constables
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  Speaker 6: back into the schools because I know they're needed well.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll talk a.
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  Speaker 1: Little further about that as well when we have some
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  Speaker 1: discussion about the school based counselors in a few minutes
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  Speaker 1: as well, because that's been a really big issue this.
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  Speaker 4: Week, I think Katie just I mean with the coffee
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  Speaker 4: with a cop, things really important to highlight. It's not
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  Speaker 4: just Darwin, there's Darwin, Katherine Tenant, Creig, Alice Springs, Ylara
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  Speaker 4: Nolan Boy like right.
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  Speaker 5: Across Jabarul Jabaru. There's those opportunities for people to engage.
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  Speaker 2: In maybe like you know, it has to happen.
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  Speaker 4: We've had a really proactive approach with the Acting Commissioner
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  Speaker 4: to get out and do that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So it's quite good.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: But you know, when we talk about the remote policing
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: as well, you know a lot of our remote cops
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: have those personal relationships and friendships with people out in community.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: It's more than just being a law enforcement officer. It's
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: about you know, being a community member.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Now just on the police numbers.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: So what the Acting Police Commissioner had told us throughout
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: the week as well. Is that between two hundred and
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: three two hundred and fifty and three hundred and fifty
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: police officers can be on leave at any one time.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: That is when you're talking about recreational leave, sick leave,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: those various types of leave.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: But then right now.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: There are about one hundred police officers on long leave.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Now that can include I guess your workers' compensation, stress leave,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a whole raft of different things. So he has confirmed
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: that he is reaching out to those various officers, but
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: he is also looking at making some changes to the
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: disciplinary matters and the way in which they are looked at.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: I think he's good, just like he's doing a great
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: job so far and looking at that reform and that restructure,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, none of us here are in
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: a position to be able to critique the reasons why
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: people are on leave. But it's refreshing and it's great
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: to see that the acting police Commissioner is reaching out
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: and trying to engage. Mate, How can we get you back,
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: even if it's on light duties all that type of stuff.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: And that's really important.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think when we talk about police,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: we often think police just out you know, patrolling the streets.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: There's all this other work that they do.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Behind the scenes, processing things considering version and the bail
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: applications and court preparations, all of that really important work
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes is I guess where the acting police
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: commissioners looking at saying, look, mate, can we re engage
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: you on some lighter duties and transition you're back into
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: the workforce.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: Well, just even just have engagement. And for my observations
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: and my contact with some past police officers, I know
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: that the past administration of anti police they're very poor
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: at reaching out to people who hit a bit of
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: a wall or they just need to be away and
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: they just say I'm not coming back for a while,
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: and because they have extensive or unending sickly and so
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: they just take it and stay away. Was He's at
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: least got the initiative and perhaps some of his senior
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: officers to reach out to these people to say, hey,
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: you've been on sick leave for whatever, leave for what
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: nearly three years? Four years? Come on, what's going on?
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Can I help you?
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: My father was a police officer for thirty five years, Katie,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: and there was that real sense that police looked out
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: for one another. And unfortunately, in the last years, I
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: think a lot of police haven't felt supported. So it's
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: really important going forward the police feel like they're supported,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: that they can return to work and have that environment
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: where they know that if something happens that they're going
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to be backed up.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: Because the big question is if on leave, let's go
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: stick leave. If they're on leave for two to three years,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: that tells you something. They don't want to go back
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: to work or they can't go back to work, which
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: says it was toxic, it was unpleasant, it was not good.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: But if this new acting Commissioner can reach out to
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: some of those people who have a program to find
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: out even just find out how they're going for goodness sake,
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: you know well.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And he did say that his main priorities while acting
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: in the role community safety and uniting the force, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I think that it's safe to say that they're certainly
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: priorities that the large majority of the community would really
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: like to see come to fruition, particularly that issue around
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: community safety. And even throughout the week in Parliament, we
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: know that there was a petition that was obviously presented
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: was around the tragic death of Bangladeshi student of Seafat
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and the concerns that you know that the community have
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: got around community safety, some of those different initiatives or
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: different areas that they would like to see some real action.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: Well, look a look at the poor fellows I presuant
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: was fellows who were sharing the house with sea fat.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, I understand they've been relocated to university accommodation,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: but and the university would be you know, looking after them,
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: as would their communities. But you know that's part of
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: the community safety too. Like their memory, their images and
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: their thoughts about living in Dawn have been completely changed
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: and probably shattered, but hopefully they'll still stay here and
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: hopefully they'll be looked after.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I think he raised is a good point, and that's
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: one that we've heard that Seed and you are certainly
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: working on. Is when you've got international students coming to
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: the territory and they're looking at accommodation. What I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: is evident is the accommodation that they were staying in
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: was not satisfactory.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: So what do we do Because we're literally trying to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: get international students to move to the Northern Territory, where like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: where have we got them to stay because we don't
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: have the private needs. We don't have enough residences for
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: them to rent out.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Just so CD you are looking at, you know, in
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: like some form of working with government around having an
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: endorsement of places to stay. So it's not like Airbnb,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: but it's when people are coming to stay, it's been
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: kind of certified or approved tick it's a good place
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: to stay as an international student. I mean, the Real
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Estate Institute of the Northern Territory do a great job,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: but unless you're renting an actual home from a real
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: estate agent, they're not involved in this process. So it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: an initiative being led by CDU around what can be
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: an appropriate mechanism ues.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: The fact is, though, like people are living in sharehouses
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that maybe aren't at you know, maybe I don't know
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: what the situation is here, but maybe aren't understandard that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: people want because there's actually not other options. And that's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the issue that we've got really in the Northern Territory
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that we don't actually have those other options, particularly if
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you're trying to entice people from overseas.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Maybe, I mean, obviously the university and the government are
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: talking about accommodation for our international students and maybe they
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: keep talking because when I went to my university in Wa,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: there were residential colleges and churches looked up, churches around
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: some like the Catholics had some, the Anglican had some.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, I get it. It's an old university over there.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: But there might be scope for the university to continue
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: to talk with the government and other agencies like you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it's called, but the group that
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: runs Pearl is owned by the Catholics. You know, whether
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: there is scope for more university style accommodation that's fully
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: catered for. I know it costs money, but you know, hey,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: the international students are paying it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, but it would take a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: while to get off the ground. You would suspect it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So that's the only thing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: The university is the key to taking that forward with
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: the anti government and then they can then go perhaps
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: to some external stakeholders to see if there is scope
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: for accommodation to be built.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: bit of a break. You are listening to Mix one
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is just twenty five minutes
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: away from ten.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: O'clock Mixed one or four point nine three sixty the
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: week that was the most listened to our in Territory radio.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Well, a topic that really got people across the territory
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: talking throughout the week was the fact that the Council
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of Government Schools MT President Tabbi Fudge and the Casuarina
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Senior College school captains they'd spoken to us through the week.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They spoke to us on Monday morning, in fact, with
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: real concerns about school counselors being removed from schools. Now
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: they told me on the show that those counselors are vital,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of course to support students, particularly those who don't have
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: positive family networks. Now, if you missed the words from
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: those two school captains from Casarina Senior College, I just
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: want to play a little bit for you because they
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: were incredibly powerful. Take a listen. Let's just try that again.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Bear with me a moment. Yeah, I will try and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: have a listen again. Here we go.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: Having a school beast counselor makes mental health services accessible
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: to all students and takes the pressure off of teachers
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: who are already doing so much for us.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: It's really important to be building on relationship consistently with
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: this school counselor and now we'll make a lot of
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: changes within the student if they need the help right now.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: Honestly, Katie, it's unacceptable. It's putting a third party in
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: place where it should just be between the student and
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: the school counselor. If they don't have the timeframe to
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: form that connection and we're having to delay the provision
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: of help, I don't understand any benefit to this model
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: for the school community, for parents, for teachers.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: So they were the school captains there from Casuarina Senior College.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: They did a phenomenal job that was That was Catherine
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and also Keisha who joined us on the show, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: they really I think articulated how those students are feeling
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: at the moment.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: The Education Department Executive Director of Inclusion and Engagement Services
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: added and Chatterton had then joined us on the show
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and had said that counselors would be rotating between government
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: schools using a new triage system thirty councilor positions. So
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: out of those thirty councilor positions, recruitment still underway for
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: six roles as I understand, which will be spread across
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: senior and secondary schools.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, we.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Were absolutely inundated with calls, messages, emails. We had former
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: counselors getting contact with us saying Katie, this is just
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the wrong move to.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Make, absolutely, Katie.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: And what we've seen is we've just seen a Northern
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Territory youth strategy unveiled and some of the core focuses
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: of that were around student well being, and obviously, now
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: with these announcements that we've heard around removing some of
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: those school counselors, people are rightly concerned. I had someone
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: that was involved in that youth strategy message through to
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: me and they said that they were quite concerned. They've
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: been pushing hard for anti bullying legislation and this is
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: just one more support network that is now being taken away.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: So I can understand why a lot of people have
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: been really concerned with this announcement coming out this week,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: and obviously we've been pushing very hard from where we
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: can to make sure that this decision is sort of reversed.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Katie. The first question that must be asked, who came
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: up with this idea to do what they are proposing
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: to do. Who came up with this idea that they
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: will rotate counselors through the schools. Albeit they still need
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: to recruit. I've told I've been told this for the
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: last twelve months in regards to to mimin college. Oh
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: we're recruiting. Well, you do know a bloody poor job
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: of it, that's for sure, because you haven't recruited any
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: I mean to men still only got their one counselor
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: if they've got their one counselor when they should have
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: two counselors given the size of the school. Now, if
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: this is some bright spark or thought bubble out of
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: someone out of Carpetland in Mitchell Street, then they really
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: need to get out and start talking to the schools
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: on the ground because as Tabby Fudge from Cosgo said,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: and I've had to Mimi and people talk to me,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: and I know Mark Ferguson from Sanderson who's the council,
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: the chairman of the council out there, they just can't
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: believe it. They're just shaking their heads at a time
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: when we're trying to engage with young people to keep
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: them on the straight and narrow, to provide opportunities for
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: them to understand, you know, a very challenging environment around us.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: They take away the one person who can do that,
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: and so they're going to retate thinking. So one week
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: I get Chancey who's going to counsel me and help me.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: Next week I get Joshua, but I have got a Chancey,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: but I like Josha. But then after that then I
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: get the different one. And it's like, seriously, guys, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: you're in charge of education, that's the really hard part
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: to get a look at yourself.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing that I you know, the thing that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: gave me you know, really sort of stood out to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: me though throughout the week, was that you've got these
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: school students who are standing up for themselves. They're standing
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: up for something that they really believe in. And I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: understand that there are obviously issues around, you know, around recruitment.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: We know that there is some shortages right around the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: nation and different areas.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: Centives like the police are doing you know, I think
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: outside the square, Department of Education, if you need some counselors,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: people of psychology backgrounds or sim why did you think
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: out of the square anti police are doing trying to
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: recruit people to come to our force.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Look, I think it's important the Department of Education has
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: commenced a national recruitment campaign to fill those vacancies because
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: we know that there's absolutely a national shortage of qualified counselors.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And the position we've got to is, we're not removing
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: counselors from schools, but we need to be in a
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: position as well where we are providing and ensuring the
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: equity of access for children to access those social and
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: emotional wellbeing services. So we need to make sure that
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: we are offering those counselors opportunities to children in schools
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: where there is currently or hasn't been a counselor.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: To do that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: When those vacancies are filled, will absolutely be in a
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: position to guarantee the ongoing continuity of service. But this
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: is also about thinking about the kids that don't have
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: counselors in schools at the moment.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But at the moment, you know, like when you're talking
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: about thirty counselors to service and please correct me if
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, around one hundred and fifty government schools around
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, that's obscene.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, we talk about about.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: The welfare of our kids, we talk about their mental health,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and we talk about it like we are so concerned
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: about it. But thirty counselors across that number of schools.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I understand some of those the primary schools, but you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: as a parent of young people that are getting to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that age, I can really see the value in a
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: school counselor in that. You know, if you don't quite
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: know who to reach out to, you don't feel comfortable
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: talking to your parents about something, you're a little bit
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: worried about actually going to you know, to another adult.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But if there is somebody.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: At the school that you feel as though you can
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: trust and you take that first step, that's life changing
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: stuff like I truly believe it is.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And you're right when you talk about the numbers, Kadie,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty three number of government schools and
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: thirty counselors and Alice Springs, we have thirty eight government
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: schools with five counselors. Two of those counselors are actually
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: servicing other schools in the region, so effectively we have
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: three for thirty.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Eight government schools.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: So absolutely we understand how important these roles are. When
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I speak to my schools in the electorate, they often say,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: if we're able to have a counselor come to the school.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: It can sometimes alleviate, you know, a huge issue that
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: might be happening with it with a child that's really
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: having some difficulties at that time. So they're important roles
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: and they should be they should be.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Valued, Katie. I'd probably a chance you won't have the
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: details now. Perhaps I might write to maybe the Education Minister,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: but I would be interested to know what exactly does
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: their recruitment campaign comprise of what are they doing? Where's
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: the facts should be the evidence that you're actually doing this?
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: Are you putting ads in papers? Are you using siak
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: dot com? Are you sending people down to talk at
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: teachers conferences of that kind of thing. I'd actually like
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: to know because one thing is, oh, we're recruiting, exactly
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: are you doing well? I don't trust you anymore because
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: the fact that you've been recruiting for the last twelve
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: months for tamin men. I want to see some evidence
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: of exactly how are you recruiting to try and get
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: more guy.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I think I've certainly welcome the opportunity to write to
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the Education Minister. I think when we talk about national recruitment,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: certainly in areas of my portfolio area, when we look
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: at what national recruitment means. I think kees you raise
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a good point, there's a whole range of different initiatives
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: you can do. I mean, even particularly targeting young people
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: who have finished their university degree.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Hey, come and work in the territory. Great experience, you know.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: But again this is around encouraging young people leaving school
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: to take on these critical opportunities to go to university
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: and do this because we are seeing a national shortage,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: but we do need to continue to invest in that
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: recruitment to fill these positions.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Look, I get that as well.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: This you know, there's finite buckets of money for different areas,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: particularly when you're handing down things like the budget. But
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I do think that when we talk about investment,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: we talk about young people. We're talking about young people
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: very often. But when you're talking about mental health and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: then what seems as though it's a real shortage of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: school counselors within our schools, I do think that it
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: is an area that we need some serious investment. And
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: again I know that the budget's already been handed down,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: but I was pretty surprised, I've got to tell you,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: when i'd had those discussions throughout the week that really
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: we're looking at thirty councilors right across the Northern territory.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: To me, that does not seem enough.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's other support roles that you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: know that could be implemented. I don't have the answers,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but I do think that it is an area that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: we need to have a bit of a closer little.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Cash absolutely, And I think a big part of this, Katie,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: is that we know that schools have been trying to
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: recruit to those positions for a long period of time.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: This may be the government going well rather than just
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  Speaker 3: having these positions that are is constantly never being filled.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just try to roll it all into one sense
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  Speaker 3: centralized area. But I think when you talk to the schools,
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  Speaker 3: they talk about the importance of how those counselors that
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  Speaker 3: are actively either rolling that are in the schools and
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  Speaker 3: able to be utilized more frequently.
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  Speaker 1: So, Jasey, I mean, are we going to definitely go
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  Speaker 1: to this triage model where they're rotating It sounds as
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  Speaker 1: so it's not what the schools, nor the students nor
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  Speaker 1: the teachers want.
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  Speaker 4: Look, where we are at the moment is making sure
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  Speaker 4: that we need to provide equity of service across.
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  Speaker 5: All of the schools.
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  Speaker 2: Equity though if it's half fas straight across.
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  Speaker 5: The board, Katie, it's equity.
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  Speaker 4: When you're giving everyone the opportunity to participate and talk
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  Speaker 4: to someone, and you know that they're going to be
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  Speaker 4: there in a particular day or days of the week,
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  Speaker 4: is important they know that they've got someone or someone's
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  Speaker 4: going to be appearing for them to talk to. We
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  Speaker 4: know that we're going to roll that national Recruitment continually
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  Speaker 4: to recruit people, and I think it's also important to
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  Speaker 4: acknowledge that there are additional services that are delivered by
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  Speaker 4: ngngos that are going into some of our schools around
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  Speaker 4: social and emotional wellbeing.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to take a bit of a break.
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  Speaker 1: It is just nine minutes away from ten o'clock. The
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  Speaker 1: time flies in here. You are listening to Mix one
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  Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty Mixed.
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  Speaker 7: One or four point nine three point sixty the week
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  Speaker 7: that was the most listened to our in Territory radio.
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  Speaker 2: We have just got a couple of minutes left.
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  Speaker 1: If you've just joined us this morning, well you've missed
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  Speaker 1: the hour of power.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Josh Burgo and.
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  Speaker 1: Kesey Apurican Chancey Paik in the studio for us for
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  Speaker 1: the week that was. There's been a lot to cover
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  Speaker 1: off on this week, Kez, very important question for you.
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  Speaker 2: Where is carpet Land that you spoke about it before off?
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is an expression I picked up from my
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: contact with the education community in the rule E and
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  Speaker 6: it's how they refer to people who work in the
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  Speaker 6: Mitchell Center in the educations. You go into carpet land
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  Speaker 6: and you become soft and mushy and not very good.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm sure there's some lovely people for here.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering where carlett Land was.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was a story. Yeah, I'm just getting
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  Speaker 6: secrets away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't sure exactly where it was.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what about let's could we do a quick best
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  Speaker 1: and worst performances of the week throughout Parliament. I think
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  Speaker 1: when question time, when Parliament sits, I've got to say
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  Speaker 1: my worst. The worst performance for me, certainly is every
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: time I hear the talking the territory down, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that line is just getting rolled out all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's really rolling people up. Clich cliches, one.
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  Speaker 6: Trick, pony cliches, the ponies. Get over it, you lot.
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  Speaker 6: Most trick ponies have more than one trick. That's that
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  Speaker 6: neighbor people haven't been around enough to go to rodeos
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  Speaker 6: to work, you see out, just like they don't know
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  Speaker 6: the right kind of plants to plant. To climb up
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  Speaker 6: a shade structure, a creep is required, not a rambler.
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  Speaker 5: Like that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought it.
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  Speaker 6: Was a bit lackluster on the government's part, and not
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  Speaker 6: of course Chancey, he's an sterly performer and Josh, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: But I just thought it was it was lackluster. I mean,
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: there was lots of budget replies, you know, and that's good.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Everyone's got to do their thing, and I did one.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: The water legislation, I think is a positive move. And
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  Speaker 6: I know that the SELP has some skepticism or perhaps
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: some concerns about it, but I think it's okay. It's
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  Speaker 6: good for the ruler both in the top end and
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: also our springs to allow subdivisions of land without having
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  Speaker 6: to put a ball down. And if I'm wrong, well
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: we found to be wrong. So there was some good
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: legislation debate that went on. But it's the bit that
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  Speaker 6: I think there's more people paying attention to what's happening
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  Speaker 6: in the growth than in previous years, Like not necessarily
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: coming in, but they're probably tuning online, listening more to
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: you what's happened, perhaps following people like ours facebooks to
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: know what's happening. And rightly so, why shouldn't they know
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: what's going on because that place is the place where
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: laws are made, that's the place where policies are debated
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  Speaker 6: and what's good for the territory and going forward and
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  Speaker 6: addressing the challenges. But I just I just think the
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  Speaker 6: government lacked a little bit of lusted, a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of confidence. Maybe they're getting a little bit worried. You know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: election's only twelve months away, give or take, and it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: not looking good for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for myself, Katie, obviously, the bail legislation amendment being
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: voted down so quick was frustrating. And then I turned
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: on the news that night and the Chief Minister was
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: basically gloating about it, saying, oh yeah, yeah, we shut
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  Speaker 3: that down.
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  Speaker 5: That was great.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's just sort of frustrating when,
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  Speaker 3: like you say, you bring in legislation, you want to
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: have these debates and they get closed down in forty
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  Speaker 3: seven seconds, So that was frustrating.
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  Speaker 4: This week, Chancey, look, I think it was certainly a
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: big week. A number of pieces of legislation.
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  Speaker 5: Have passed, and you've introduced a few more PEPs.
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  Speaker 4: So introduced this week the Sexual Offenses Bill, which goes
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: to addressing a number of things that we've heard from
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: the community, particularly a lot of the stuff from Grace Tame,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: so really positive legislation on that front. Are certainly looking
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: at some of the food licensing that's been introduced this
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: sitting period that we did pass the community courts legislation
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  Speaker 4: really important Law.
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  Speaker 2: And Justice grew did mean to talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: Bringing in kind of the elders and leaders into the
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: kind of discussion.
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  Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of things.
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  Speaker 4: I think also one thing really important was very excited
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: to support was Yingi Gayla brought a motion before Parliament
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: on the General Business Day and that was to look
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  Speaker 4: at referring a matter to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs
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  Speaker 4: Committee to establish the statutory body to review legislation.
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  Speaker 2: A very quick one on that is this like a
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  Speaker 2: second voice.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a you know, our Northern territory voice, in
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: addition to the national rounds like.
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  Speaker 2: It nowhere in the motion does it talk about a voice.
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  Speaker 3: It talks about referring this to the Legal and Constitutional
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  Speaker 3: Affairs Committee to look at the impact on first First nations.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: So it's statute.
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  Speaker 4: It's to look at establishing a statutory body to review
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  Speaker 4: of legislation and to evaluate the impact on Aboriginal territory.
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  Speaker 4: And so, you know, I think that's a good thing
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  Speaker 4: and certainly something that we can all work on.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: The Committee will look at it, you know, big sittings will.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Be back of course all of us for estimates and
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: then back into Parliament in July.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Katie, don't forget last week we had a big
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: rally outside parlam House. I reckoncilently did five to nine
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: hundred people. So there's still a lot of angst out
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: there in regards to what the government's not doing to
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: keep us safe.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: There most certainly is and look, we are going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: talk further about that with the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 1: in that interview that I did a bit earlyer this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be replaying that one or I'll be playing that
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  Speaker 1: one for you just after ten o'clock. Thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for your time this morning, George Burgoy.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Katie. The Right Against Cancer is
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: on tomorrow morning down the Hidden Valley from eight am.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there some stuff like gazy if Eric. Thank you. Katie.
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  Speaker 6: Got to shout out to one of your favorite listeners,
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Andy out there in emty led Andy and he loves
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: this show. He loves me more, but he loves your show.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: And Katie, I just want to give a big shout out.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: This week has been law week, so shout out to
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: everyone in the legal community. You do a great job
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: each and every day working on the front line. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: shout out to all of our legal practitioners and their
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: support staff.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: I love lawyer, especially my own lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, on that note, we better wrap up. Thank
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you all so much for your time. It has been
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the week that was