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Newsom’s Inner Circle Explodes: Informants, Wires, and Deflections · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Who is this person that somehow we're told infiltrated Gavin
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Speaker 1: Newsom's inner circle with a wiretap filled me in.
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Speaker 2: So she's actually part of Gavin Newsom's in a circle,
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Speaker 2: and she wore a wire tap in relation to an
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Speaker 2: investigation that's been going on since like the Biden DOJ
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Speaker 2: was involved. Here's the thing everyone's just seeing this headline
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Speaker 2: that is, you know, Gavin Newsom, one of his inner
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Speaker 2: circle wore a wire scandalous blah blah blah. But when
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Speaker 2: you actually break down what happened, not only does it
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Speaker 2: have almost nothing to do with Gavin Newsom right now,
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Speaker 2: but you can see how he directly tried to attack
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Speaker 2: ongoing messaging, almost to the point where, like the way
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Speaker 2: I'm reading it to me, in my opinion, sounds like
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Speaker 2: he's lying about everything that's going on and that he
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Speaker 2: even has anything to do with it, and he's using
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Speaker 2: it for fundraising. So if you want, I can go
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Speaker 2: through what actually happened and we can talk about how
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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, being the slimiest human being that he is,
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Speaker 2: is trying to use this situation to maybe come out
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Speaker 2: ahead of something that could be coming down the mine.
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. There is some very weird stuff
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Speaker 2: that I found about him, about his wife, but the
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Speaker 2: actual story that he's talking about, the one that everyone's pushing, it's,
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Speaker 2: if anything, it's pretty damning about the Democrats, but it's
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Speaker 2: really not as crazy as the headlines make it sound.
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Speaker 1: Well, I want to I want to start from a
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Speaker 1: place you just quickly went over. This wasn't the Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump DOJ. This is the Biden DOJ started this. But
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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is I think you just alluded to, is
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Speaker 1: trying to make it about Trump targeting him. This has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. So this let's make sure
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Speaker 1: everybody watching listening understands this is not Trump going after
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Speaker 1: his so called political enemies, because Gavin Newsom has almost
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Speaker 1: literally said that he's going after me because of the
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Speaker 1: possibility of a presidential run. First of all, Trump is
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Speaker 1: not running in twenty eight, so he's not going after
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Speaker 1: his political enemy. And two, this started under the Biden DOJ.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell me specifically when it started? And how
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Speaker 1: does somebody become a member of his inner circle? What
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Speaker 1: she already was, as you just said, but then she
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Speaker 1: says yes to wearing a wire? Was she in some
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Speaker 1: hot water already, so take it from where it started
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Speaker 1: because it wasn't under Trump.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is so convoluted, so like you're gonna
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Speaker 2: have to bear with me a second here while I
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Speaker 2: explain next. There's a lot of it from moving parts,
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Speaker 2: but most of what is coming out now started around
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. So it's a woman called Dana Williamson
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Speaker 2: who was in late twenty twenty two appointed as Gavin
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Speaker 2: Newsom's chief of staff. Okay, Dana Williamson is accused and
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Speaker 2: like it's pending sentencing right now. Ok and two other
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Speaker 2: people essentially conspired to drain an existing paying account for
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Speaker 2: is it Jose Bacera? Is that how you pronounce as well?
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't read the name is Sarah?
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Speaker 1: Sarah Sarah?
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Speaker 2: Okay? But Sarah yes? Oh yeah, duh, Sorry.
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Speaker 1: It's okay. So has she committed has she been found
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Speaker 1: guilty or did she admit guild? What happened with that?
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Speaker 2: So she's admitted gil those pleas Okay, So basically what
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Speaker 2: happened was twenty twenty two, her and two other people,
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Speaker 2: namely Bessarah's chief of staff, conspired to draye one of
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Speaker 2: Jose's old campaign accounts that was kind of dormant, just
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Speaker 2: sitting there, had about two hundred and twenty five thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars in it. I think this was way back from
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Speaker 2: when he was like running to be like superintendent or something.
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Speaker 2: So all this money is sitting there. Dana Williamson so
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Speaker 2: Newsom's later on chief of staff. Later on that year
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Speaker 2: she became his chief of staff. A guy Sean McCluskey,
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Speaker 2: and then a guy called Greg Campbell. They conspired to
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Speaker 2: funnel the money from that account to Sean mcclus essentially ya.
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Speaker 2: At some point this woman Alexis Podesta, no relation to
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Speaker 2: John you know, the Podesta's kind of relationship, but she
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Speaker 2: got involved and basically took over the process of funneling
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Speaker 2: that money to McCluskey, who had taken a huge sort
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Speaker 2: of pay cut. That was his excuse for it. He
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Speaker 2: took huge pay cut when he followed Bessera to Washington.
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Speaker 2: Needed money, and so the idea was, let's funnel money
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Speaker 2: out of this account to McCluskey. No one's ever gonna notice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's stop there. Let's stop there for a second. So,
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Speaker 1: by the way, this Alexis Podesta was the one who
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Speaker 1: wore the wire right, yes, yeah, okay, and it is
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Speaker 1: it's and it's also at Xavier Besara. It's not Jose
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Speaker 1: so Xavier. It's okay, Bessera. Everybody knew who you were
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Speaker 1: talking about. So this guy is somehow involved. This guy
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Speaker 1: used to be like a health and human services for
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Speaker 1: the entire country and now he's back in California, thinks
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Speaker 1: she could be the next governor or something. And this woman,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Podesta, her position was according to you and I
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Speaker 1: guess we find this out during from the wire tap.
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Speaker 1: She's now the one doing the funneling.
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Speaker 2: Yes she sort of, yeah, she sort of managed that,
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Speaker 2: but basically the wire tap. At the same time this
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Speaker 2: is all going on, Joe, there's a you know, Dana
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Speaker 2: Williamson who's a state employee. Yes, she was basically like
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Speaker 2: accused of secretly helping a company called Activision Blizzard who
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Speaker 2: is being sued by the state of California. Wow, she
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Speaker 2: was working with Podesta, who is a lobbyist at the
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Speaker 2: time for Activision Blizzards. So it's like all these kind
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Speaker 2: of like legally moving parts blah blah blah, your yawn,
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Speaker 2: A bunch of political people team together to steal money
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Speaker 2: from a guy who does not have my friend's name.
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Speaker 2: It is a severer sorry I got that makes me
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Speaker 2: feel like an idiot because not at all.
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Speaker 1: I know that you've done great research on this, so
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Speaker 1: it sounds like it's just tier after tier after tier
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Speaker 1: after layer. Kay? Is that how if you're going to
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Speaker 1: be a corrupt person, Not that you are, but you've
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Speaker 1: done enough research that you know how this works. If
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Speaker 1: you put enough layers and tears between the person doing
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Speaker 1: it and where you're getting it, you get you get
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Speaker 1: away with it for a while.
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Speaker 2: You get away with it for a while, but really
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Speaker 2: not that long. They didn't get away with it for
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Speaker 2: that long. In fact, they didn't even really get away
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Speaker 2: with it. That's the kind of crazy part. They were,
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Speaker 2: you know, taking this money out, funneling it to McCluskey.
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Speaker 2: And they will, like you know, submit Like no one's
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Speaker 2: saying that they didn't do this. They've will submitted plea deals.
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Speaker 2: They're all awaiting constancing. The only person who isn't is
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Speaker 2: Podesta because she wore a wire in like there's at
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Speaker 2: least one example of her for sure wearing a wire.
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Speaker 2: At that point in conversation with Williamson. So here's what
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Speaker 2: the kind of headlines are hanging on to the headlines
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Speaker 2: are hanging on to this idea. The Podesta was able
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Speaker 2: to get into all of these private conversations with Williamson
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Speaker 2: while Williamson was Newsome's chief of staff. Wow, and so
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Speaker 2: Newsome is kind of spinning this. I hate to say it,
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Speaker 2: but he's doing an excellent spin doctoring job on this,
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Speaker 2: basically saying that the Trump dooj is attacking me, attacking
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Speaker 2: my people, my inner circle, my family.
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Speaker 1: Firstly, No, none of that's true, right, none of that's true.
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Speaker 2: Isn't even his chief of staff anymore. She was quietly
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Speaker 2: placed on leave when kind of like all this stuff
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Speaker 2: about her, you know, this FBI probe was actually coming out.
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Speaker 1: But he's raising money on this, like Trump's going after him, Right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing. And you know, like
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Speaker 2: I said, there are some examples of you know, definitely
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Speaker 2: Cebel Newsoms like the first what do you call her,
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Speaker 2: the first lady of you know what they.
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Speaker 1: Call you know what they call her? How stupid it is?
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Speaker 1: He calls her the first partner of California. That's how
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Speaker 1: stupid it is. I kid you not. They're calling her
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Speaker 1: the first partner. All right, so the first Lady of California.
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Speaker 1: How is she implicated if at all, because it sounds
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Speaker 1: like her fingers that are at least close to something
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Speaker 1: that was going on.
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Speaker 2: No, in this context, not at all. But the reason
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Speaker 2: that I think, let me back up a bit. So,
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Speaker 2: Jennifer Siebel Newsome is involved in all of these nonprofits.
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Speaker 2: I will not I will not Joe, but I can't
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Speaker 2: treat her with that lack of perspect It's such a
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Speaker 2: stupid title, like, well, it's so dumb, like what are
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Speaker 2: you trans Like that's still not a thing anyway. So
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Speaker 2: she is involved in this nonprofit and all these nonprofits, Uh,
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Speaker 2: there's one in particular, I can't remember what it's called,
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Speaker 2: but you know, has like been so struggling financially, like
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Speaker 2: hasn't really been able to sort of do anything because
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Speaker 2: it allegedly has no money, but she's been taking a
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Speaker 2: salary from it for like years while it's going through
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Speaker 2: all these struggles. There's a lot of very weird stuff,
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Speaker 2: like to the tune of tens, if not hundreds of
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars in relation to the Newsoms and then
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Speaker 2: nonprofits and they're businesses that doesn't really make a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of sense. And so here's what I think has happened.
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to try and do this in like
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Speaker 2: as Layman's terms as possible or as simply as possible,
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Speaker 2: because again, there's so many different things, so many different
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Speaker 2: moving parts in all of this. But essentially, when Dana
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Speaker 2: Williamson started getting investigated for stealing this money, I think
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Speaker 2: the probe that was opened under the Biden DOJ, it
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Speaker 2: looks to me like when you go through an investigation
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Speaker 2: like this, you're going to find lots and lots of
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Speaker 2: not just numerical data in terms of like where's the
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Speaker 2: money going, wire transfers, all that, blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: You've also got at least one wire that was worn.
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Speaker 2: A bunch of people received notifications that their phones were
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Speaker 2: basically being searched in relation to this probe. This again,
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Speaker 2: like all under the probe that was opened I believe
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Speaker 2: under the Biden DOJ. That was when it came to fruition. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: it was twenty twenty two under the Biden DJ And
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Speaker 2: so what I picture Joe is a bunch of FBI
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Speaker 2: guys or women sitting around a table going through all
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Speaker 2: of this different evidence, and there's going to be a
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Speaker 2: sentence somewhere that's going to not necessarily relate to the
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Speaker 2: case they're investigating, but it's going to point them in
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Speaker 2: a direction for something else, Like you cannot go through
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Speaker 2: an investigation like this and not find loads of peripherary periphery, periphery, peripheral, prepheral,
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Speaker 2: can you tell that my baby hasn't slept for six weeks?
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Speaker 2: But all of this peripheral information or you know, data
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Speaker 2: on the periphery of the actual evidence that you're looking for.
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Speaker 2: And so I think what I'm seeing from Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 2: is the sort of hype. This is just my guess.
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Speaker 2: My guess is that he's looking at the scope and
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Speaker 2: scale of the people that the FBI have looked into
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Speaker 2: and who they've collected evidence and data from, and he's
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Speaker 2: probably sweating because somewhere in there maybe something that implicates
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Speaker 2: him in something completely different. So he's sitting there going, Oh,
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Speaker 2: the Trump DOJ is investigating me. They're investigating and probing
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Speaker 2: and harassing my inner circle, my people. This is a
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Speaker 2: purposeful attack because I'm going to be president one day,
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Speaker 2: and I'm a grown up and I've got great hair,
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Speaker 2: and this is all just you know, political theatrics, and
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Speaker 2: I'm being attacked and I'm a victim, Whereas in reality,
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Speaker 2: he knows that there's a bunch of FBI guys who
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Speaker 2: have a bunch of data on his inner circle in
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Speaker 2: relation to this original case that was started under the
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Speaker 2: Biden DOJ And he's probably sweating wondering what they actually have.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if we're going to find out
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Speaker 2: what it is that they have anytime soon or everything.
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Speaker 1: That's for sure. We know what we know that she
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Speaker 1: was wearing a wire. We don't know how often she
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Speaker 1: wore the wire. We don't know where she was when
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Speaker 1: wearing the wire. I want to understand exactly who she
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Speaker 1: is though. Was she brought in as his chief of
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Speaker 1: staff or is she somebody on the periphery some would.
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Speaker 2: Say on the periphery. So alexis Podesta who wore the wire?
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Speaker 2: She's had? Okay, this is weird. She's had one of
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Speaker 2: those careers where she bounces from lots of different places.
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Speaker 1: OK.
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Speaker 2: So let me get I want to get it in.
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Speaker 2: I have it in order. Here somewhere the exact order
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Speaker 2: under which she did everything. So I know that she
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Speaker 2: worked for Yeah, okay, here we go. So she was
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Speaker 2: a consultant who served as secretary under Governor Jerry Brown,
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Speaker 2: so she's been in the game for a while. She
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Speaker 2: also worked with Activision Blizzard as a lobbyist who were
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Speaker 2: being sued by the state, and so that's a whole
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Speaker 2: other thing where she working as a lot lobbyist was
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Speaker 2: in private communications with the state Dana Williamson, who was
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Speaker 2: Newsom's chief of staff. So basically Newsom's old chief of
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Speaker 2: staff stole all of this money or helped steal all
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Speaker 2: of this money for another guy. That's like, really what
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Speaker 2: the crux of this thing is? Then she was appointed
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Speaker 2: buying Newsome to I believe. Let me double check here. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was the State Compensation Insurance for Insurance Fund Board,
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Speaker 2: which I mean, Joe, like, that sounds like an extremely
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Speaker 2: boring job. I literally just like, what even is.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like sounds like it's a money thing. It's
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Speaker 1: a fund exactly.
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Speaker 2: But she also kept being paid after she was named
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Speaker 2: as a co conspirator in this sort of process by
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Speaker 2: which she was essentially what she did and The reason
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Speaker 2: she's not being charged is because she worked with the FBI.
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Speaker 2: But what she did was take money from that door
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Speaker 2: account anyway, from about seventy five hundred ten thousand a month.
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Speaker 2: She would then pay Williamson's consulting company, and then that
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Speaker 2: money was then routed back to McCluskey, and mainly it
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Speaker 2: was his spouse for a sort of you know, a
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Speaker 2: non existent consulting job, you know on those like pretend
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Speaker 2: jobs that doesn't exist for these people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we Italians call it a no show job.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was actually So.
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Speaker 1: Does does she get as the Italians would say, pinched?
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Speaker 1: Does she get arrested? Does she get cornered? Does she okay,
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Speaker 1: you're going down unless you were a wire? Does she
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Speaker 1: does she cut a deal? Or was she somebody who
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Speaker 1: was actively working with the FBI before? Do we know?
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Speaker 2: My gut feeling is that she was approached by someone
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Speaker 2: because she seemed like easy to flip. I don't think.
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Speaker 2: I don't think she was working with the FBI before.
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Speaker 2: I just do not believe that the way, because she
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Speaker 2: was actually, you know, helping funnel the money. So I
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Speaker 2: think what they probably did was like, well, she's the
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Speaker 2: first point of contact here after this, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: like the money's going from this account to her, why
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Speaker 2: don't we talk to it, Like, let's go to her
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Speaker 2: and see if she'll wear a wire, all that kind
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Speaker 2: of stuff. So she was probably like, I mean, who knows,
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Speaker 2: it could be the stuff of like you know, these
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Speaker 2: spy dramas we see where someone like approached her like undercover,
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But I think realistically she probably got
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Speaker 2: an inkling to the fact that this thing was going
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Speaker 2: on and said, like, I'll do anything to not get
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Speaker 2: pinched for this. So that was when she ended up
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Speaker 2: wearing the wire. And we don't know how many times
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Speaker 2: she wore it, and we don't know how much information
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Speaker 2: was This could.
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Speaker 1: Just be the tip of the iceberg, is what we're saying.
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Speaker 1: This could be just this is this tip of the spear.
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Speaker 1: There's a whole lot more here. So Newsom comes out
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Speaker 1: today and starts complaining about how this administration is trying
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Speaker 1: to meddle in their voting in California, Like he's completely
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Speaker 1: throwing everything against the wall that he can, I guess
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Speaker 1: to get the heat off of him. Now you said
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Speaker 1: he has him and implicated directly his wife has not
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Speaker 1: been implicated directly. But I'll ask you the question that
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Speaker 1: I ask anybody who's investigating like the fraud in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Is it possible that the governor and his first partner
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Speaker 1: lady can possibly have all this going on under the
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Speaker 1: surface and have no clue? I mean, I'm not asking
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Speaker 1: you to convict them. Obviously, they're not guilty of anything,
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Speaker 1: but I just wonder, because he seems to be a
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Speaker 1: bit of an authoritarian and how he does the job,
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Speaker 1: how could all this be going on under the surface
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Speaker 1: without him knowing about it? Is there a way to
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Speaker 1: know that?
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Speaker 2: Do you know? Joe? I think the only reason that
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Speaker 2: he maybe didn't know that this was going on is because,
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Speaker 2: a it's such a tiny amount of money for a
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Speaker 2: man like him, Like people forget Kevin Newsom's worth like
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Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars, Like he is an extremely
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Speaker 2: wealthy guy, like right to a terrifying degree, like extremely well,
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Speaker 2: his wife is extremely wealthy as well. And so I
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Speaker 2: think the only reason that maybe he didn't know is
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Speaker 2: because it's literally like three four people got together almost
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Speaker 2: like as friends, to be like, let's steal money from
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Speaker 2: this one account and just give it to our friend
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Speaker 2: who's like having a bit of a hard time. What
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Speaker 2: my gut says is Gavin Newsom. Yes, there may be
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Speaker 2: things like like I sort of said earlier the evidence room,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be stuff that's like maybe sticking on
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Speaker 2: him that hasn't come to the surface yet. But in
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Speaker 2: the context of this, like just this case alone, I
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Speaker 2: think that he probably didn't know because it was probably
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Speaker 2: so small. But if he did know, that suggests to
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Speaker 2: me that this kind of behavior is semi normal. The
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Speaker 2: these insider politician, like the all the people who sort
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Speaker 2: of float around these politicians, particularly Newsome, are doing this
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Speaker 2: as almost a routine. They see these dormant accounts, they
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Speaker 2: figure out, okay, let's try and like siphon this money
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Speaker 2: off and get us all paid. So I think that
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Speaker 2: he maybe knew that the behavior like that action was
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Speaker 2: being taken, but he may not have known the sort
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Speaker 2: of intricate inner workings of all of it because it
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Speaker 2: is such a negligible amount of money for someone like him,
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Speaker 2: you know, Like I mean, that's that's a bad fundraising
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Speaker 2: day for Gavin Newsom is two hundred and twenty five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars and he's using this whole thing, like you said,
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Speaker 2: grabbing these headlines to play the victim, to sort of
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Speaker 2: monopolize the SEO, monopolize people's mindsets around the situation, so
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Speaker 2: that if something big does drop under the Trump doj
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Speaker 2: on Newsome, he's going to go well, I told you
18:42
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Speaker 2: And it's like, no, Gavy Bears, you messed up. You
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Speaker 2: did a bunch of weird stuff.
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Speaker 1: reas such incredible news and commentary writer. What is Bisara
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Speaker 1: said about any of this anything?
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Speaker 2: He's heartbroken. That's his sort of public statement. So none
20:08
Speaker 2: of it came back on him. He because you know
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Speaker 2: the guy who essentially the money went to him and
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Speaker 2: his wife, the McCluskey's. That was and I don't think
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Speaker 2: he still is. I can't imagine that he still is.
20:20
Speaker 2: But that was Sarah's chief of staff who went with
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Speaker 2: him to DC, and so I think he I think
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Speaker 2: His statement was basically like, I'm kind of heartbroken that
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Speaker 2: my friend would do this to me over money. But
20:35
Speaker 2: in my head, I'm also kind of like, yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: exactly what I would say if I was but Sarah
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Speaker 2: and I knew about this, I would also play the victims.
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Speaker 2: So that's what Democrats do. They just always played the victim.
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Speaker 1: Well, he was, he was horrible in the federal government.
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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with him in the in the race
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Speaker 1: for governor of California. He's in the in the runoff, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's him against who is it? It's him
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Speaker 1: against Steve Hilton, is it not?
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Speaker 2: Yes, Steve, it's Steve Hilton. I'm pretty sure and.
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Speaker 1: Your Basarah, aren't they the ones running in the general
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Speaker 1: in November. I'm pretty sure that he's the guy. So
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Speaker 1: let me ask you, yes, Well, will this potentially affect
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Speaker 1: the actual good editorial race this this November?
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Speaker 2: Probably not, just because I think that there are way
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Speaker 2: more There are way more things to attack Democrats about
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Speaker 2: in California than their form of chief of staff stealing money,
21:25
Speaker 2: especially when none of it can actually beach like traced
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Speaker 2: back to Bisera. So I think that if you're in
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Speaker 2: California and you're a Republican and you're trying to win
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Speaker 2: this thing, you go after all those big ticket items.
21:36
Speaker 2: You go after homelessness, the crime epidemic, the cost of living,
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Speaker 2: the fact that all the wealthy people are leaving, the
21:42
Speaker 2: fact that everyone who stays is yeah, like a victim
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Speaker 2: of crime. People are being you know, like people like
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Speaker 2: their bodies literally piling up on the streets of California cities.
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Speaker 2: I think that's where most political strategy and messaging will
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Speaker 2: come from from the Republicans, because that's those the main
22:01
Speaker 2: things they want to tackle. Right Whereas I think his
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Speaker 2: chief of staff getting busted in stealing from him essentially
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Speaker 2: actually kind of works in Bessarah's favor because it makes
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Speaker 2: him even though I think he knew about it, I
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Speaker 2: can't prove that. I have literally nothing to base that on.
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Speaker 2: Just like gut instinct, I think he probably did know
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Speaker 2: about it. I don't know. I think it a victim.
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Speaker 1: It changes the complexion a bit because it is Besarah
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Speaker 1: versus Hilton. Just looked it up to make sure it's
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Speaker 1: going to be this guy who is You're right, can
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Speaker 1: pain himself as the victim. He's getting a big, a
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Speaker 1: big helping hand from Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom's out there
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Speaker 1: being the front guy in this. I'm the biggest victim
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Speaker 1: in all of this in Trump is bad, when in reality,
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Speaker 1: Xavier Bessera was horrible in the federal level. He was
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Speaker 1: I think he was a prosecutor before he went to
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Speaker 1: the federal level. Then he's he wants to be the
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Speaker 1: governor of the state. And it just so happens that
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Speaker 1: one of the two guys out of hundreds who ran
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Speaker 1: I'm sure for the stupid juckup in California, he's one
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Speaker 1: of the two guys who will be in the general
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Speaker 1: election this November, and he's the one guy out of
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Speaker 1: the two that has this scandal within his campaign. This
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Speaker 1: is let me say this, because knowing all this information
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Speaker 1: and especially everything that you brought this, this actually is
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Speaker 1: electioneering like I've i haven't seen in a long time.
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Speaker 1: And by electioneering, I mean setting up for a result
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Speaker 1: that you otherwise probably wouldn't have gotten. Steve Hilton's doing well.
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Speaker 1: Steve Hilton has a real chance to become the governor
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Speaker 1: of California. So why not make bisera the you know,
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Speaker 1: the guy who was attacked and attacked by the right,
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Speaker 1: and of course Donald Trump is supporting Steve Hilton. This
23:34
Speaker 1: is all very circular. This is all way more intricate
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Speaker 1: than people know, isn't it. I mean, when you're trying
23:38
Speaker 1: to win an election, the left will stop at nothing
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Speaker 1: to win the election.
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Speaker 2: And they're looking two years out. Joe Physiot is an
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Speaker 2: amazing analysis. Correct, They're not just looking at you know,
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Speaker 2: the fact that the Democrats, the Democrats in California cannot
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Speaker 2: win on any of the key issues that Californians care about.
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Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing we've been under Well we I say,
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Speaker 2: I lived there for a long time, but California has
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Speaker 2: been under Democrat rule for far too long, and just
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Speaker 2: in the last what ten twelve years, let's say, like,
24:15
Speaker 2: let's be generous with it, let's say, you know, twelve years,
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Speaker 2: probably a little bit more than that. But I remember
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Speaker 2: going to say San Francisco in twenty ten and being like,
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Speaker 2: this is a great city. I'm having a great time
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Speaker 2: going back in twenty fifteen and being like, whoa, this
24:29
Speaker 2: is like the walking dead. And so it's been like
24:32
Speaker 2: that for at least that sort of ten twelve year gap,
24:35
Speaker 2: and it's spread across the state. When you look at
24:37
Speaker 2: the actual electoral map of California, it is almost completely
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Speaker 2: red except for the Bay Area and except for the
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Speaker 2: sort of southern California coastal like SoCal region, if you will,
24:50
Speaker 2: and that even ends before you get to San Diego.
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Speaker 2: Pretty much like there's a few still like pockets of blue.
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Speaker 2: The whole state is red, and it's been that way
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Speaker 2: because the Democrats have run the place into the ground,
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Speaker 2: and so all of the policies, all of the messaging
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Speaker 2: really do fall on the Republican side, Like if they lose,
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Speaker 2: they really messed up. This should be kind of an
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Speaker 2: easy win for them, even with those pockets. But I
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Speaker 2: think that all of those kind of coastal elites are
25:23
Speaker 2: going to kind of pick up on what you were
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Speaker 2: just saying. They're going to say, oh, the only reason
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Speaker 2: the besarah isn't doing well is because Trump's attacking all
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Speaker 2: Democrats in California. As they're going to say this show
25:35
Speaker 2: as they step over bodies on the sidewalk. You know,
25:40
Speaker 2: that's stupid.
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Speaker 1: When I talked to Sheriff Bianco, he actually thought it
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Speaker 1: would be a bad thing for Trump to endorse Hilton
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Speaker 1: and he wasn't saying he should have endorsed me and
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Speaker 1: by me being Bianco. But that's going to fire up
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Speaker 1: some lefties in California to say, we can't possibly have
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Speaker 1: the Trump guy, we can't have the Trump chosen guy.
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Speaker 1: And now Trump is a attacking bisera. Trump is attacking
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Speaker 1: the first partner. Trump is attacking Gavin Newsom, and no
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Speaker 1: issues have been talked about. You couldn't be more correct.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about the issues. Steve Hilton's trying to but
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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna cover that. They're gonna cover how mean Trump
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Speaker 1: is to Gavin Newsom. So is. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: you and I disagree vehemently on the Republicans should win easily.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna lose. Steve Hilton is going to lose unless
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Speaker 1: we get the Save America Act done or unless we
26:25
Speaker 1: get some sort of photo ID done. The left has
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Speaker 1: been very, very good at making sure they win. I'm
26:31
Speaker 1: winking for those who are listening, because they're not gonna
26:35
Speaker 1: do it on the issues. On the issues, k it
26:37
Speaker 1: should be eighty twenty. Steve Hilton should win, should be
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Speaker 1: very easy. But on the suicidal empathy of the left
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Speaker 1: in that state, and the power based and the money
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Speaker 1: that they have, it's going to be extremely difficult for
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Speaker 1: anybody who's not onld Schwarzenegger to win. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: chose the movie start because they're so stupid. In California,
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Speaker 1: the left, the elites, they wanted. They thought it'd be
26:56
Speaker 1: cool to have a movie star be their governor for
26:58
Speaker 1: a while. And by the way, when he got an office,
26:59
Speaker 1: he he operated as a moderate lefty, not really as
27:02
Speaker 1: a Republican. So all of that said, this is let
27:06
Speaker 1: me just go back to what I said little while ago,
27:08
Speaker 1: and I want you to either reinforce it or push back.
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Speaker 1: This is them setting up why they're gonna win in November.
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Speaker 1: They know they're gonna because they're really good at winning
27:17
Speaker 1: in states like that, but now they have to give
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Speaker 1: a good reason why. Well, you're right, we didn't win
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Speaker 1: on the issues. We won because Hilton bad Hilton is
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Speaker 1: Trump with an accent.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but I do hold out. Here's the thing, I
27:34
Speaker 2: got a back.
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Speaker 1: You're more hopeful than I am, and I'm glad. Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: No, I think I'm just I don't want to say naive.
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Speaker 2: I guess I just still have hope that Californians on
27:48
Speaker 2: that's stupid. But I'm also holding out hope the California Democrats,
27:54
Speaker 2: like the actual political elite are, because I wouldn't be
27:59
Speaker 2: surprised if California's sort of political oligarchy, if you will,
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Speaker 2: the Democrats sacrifice the governorship for the presidency. Because, let's
28:12
Speaker 2: be honest, Joe, I do think Newsome right now is
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Speaker 2: the only guy that the Democrats have who could possibly
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Speaker 2: run in twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what is your running on? What is his resume?
28:25
Speaker 1: He can say, Look how great I handled California. That's it.
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Speaker 1: Hair teeth in a smile, hair.
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Speaker 2: Teeth in the fact that Trump doesn't like him. Democrats, Well,
28:34
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Democrats are stupid enough to think that
28:36
Speaker 2: that's a winning strategy for the whole of the United States,
28:39
Speaker 2: which is just fundamentally untrue. You're right, if the Save
28:43
Speaker 2: America Act doesn't pass, they will do some weird stuff.
28:47
Speaker 2: I mean again, I live there. They sent me a ballot.
28:49
Speaker 2: I can't legally vote.
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Speaker 1: Listen to my accent, I'm you could have, but you
28:53
Speaker 1: could have voted.
28:54
Speaker 2: But I could have, but I didn't because I'm not
28:56
Speaker 2: a skull to break the law. Right, Yeah, I'm not
28:59
Speaker 2: going to break the law. But I think that if
29:03
Speaker 2: California Democrats aren't super stupid, which I just I really
29:09
Speaker 2: don't think that that's the case, they might let Steve
29:11
Speaker 2: Hilton win and then basically stop him. Because remember at
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Speaker 2: the local level on the coast, where the media is at,
29:21
Speaker 2: and the media is in the pocket of the Democrats
29:23
Speaker 2: in such a big way, particularly in California. We all
29:27
Speaker 2: know this. I'm preaching to the choir here, but you
29:30
Speaker 2: could let Steve Hilton win and then lower down where
29:34
Speaker 2: you've got these city and town level politicians, they're just
29:40
Speaker 2: going to stop anything that he's going to try to
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Speaker 2: do to actually fix the problem. I mean, look at
29:44
Speaker 2: what they did to Spencer Pratt. Spencer Pratt, we all
29:48
Speaker 2: know what happened there. I don't want to get into it,
29:51
Speaker 2: but we all know that Spencer Pratt should be the
29:53
Speaker 2: mayor of Los Angeles right now. And so I think
29:56
Speaker 2: that the corruption at those lower levels will stop Steve
30:00
Speaker 2: Helton being able to do anything that he's going to
30:02
Speaker 2: set out to do. So in two years time, the
30:04
Speaker 2: messaging then becomes, oh, well, California elected MAGA governor and
30:11
Speaker 2: he achieved nothing, and all of the problems that he
30:13
Speaker 2: said he was going to fix so much worse. And
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Speaker 2: they will win on that messaging.
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Speaker 1: They're the ones they did it, even though they're the
30:20
Speaker 1: ones they did it. So yeah, let me, let me,
30:22
Speaker 1: let me this great analysis, let me finish with this.
30:25
Speaker 1: Do you really think Gavin Newsom is the guy you
30:28
Speaker 1: think that he's going to be the guy over Kamala Harris,
30:30
Speaker 1: over Josh Shapiro out of Pennsylvania, who's scary as a
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Speaker 1: Democrat nominee for president. I mean, you think that it's
30:37
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom just because he wants it.
30:40
Speaker 2: I think Josh Shapiro should win it because you're right,
30:44
Speaker 2: he is scary. Yeah, and he's a you know I
30:50
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you think or feel anyone listening,
30:52
Speaker 2: Like Jos Shapiro is a great politician and he came
30:54
Speaker 2: through a lot, and he is a shock. But I
30:58
Speaker 2: think in terms of the sort of movie star presidential
31:03
Speaker 2: quality they're gonna put up, They're gonna put up Newsome
31:08
Speaker 2: like they will. I don't think it's gonna be Kamala.
31:10
Speaker 2: I think in a primary situation, it's going to be
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Speaker 2: very very close. If it is Shapiro Newsom will be
31:15
Speaker 2: very close between the two of them, like very I
31:18
Speaker 2: think he'll be surprisingly close. But I think Newsome ultimately
31:22
Speaker 2: wins that primary on name recognition. And I hate to
31:27
Speaker 2: say it, but I think that like I think he,
31:31
Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to see a debate between
31:33
Speaker 2: the two of them, but I think I think.
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Speaker 1: I think Shapiro would ruin him. Shapiro would ruin him.
31:39
Speaker 1: It would not even be the press, that's kind. I'm
31:42
Speaker 1: with you. You're right, he's not He's not the matinee Idol.
31:45
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I agree with that. I think that
31:47
Speaker 1: I think DeSantis or Rubio or Vance smoke all of them.
31:50
Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out
31:53
Speaker 1: with the left. The left has to pick the air apparent,
31:55
Speaker 1: and I don't think there is one, and I truly
31:57
Speaker 1: don't think it's Newsome. Maybe I just don't like the guy,
31:59
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's him. I think there would
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Speaker 1: be a dumb move by them to push him in.
32:02
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's very smart, and I think
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Speaker 1: that he would be jd Vance debating this guy, come on,
32:08
Speaker 1: that would be ridiculous. Or Rubio or Deysantis even it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to watch. Thank you for breaking all
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Speaker 1: this down, Thank you for analyzing and hopefully people got
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Speaker 1: some information out of this that we weren't getting from
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Speaker 1: the from the big media. And let's do it again
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Speaker 1: next week. You're the best.
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Speaker 2: I'm here for it. Thanks Joey Okay.
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