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Ben Affleck _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _578(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is an actor, a writer, a director. He's
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  Speaker 1: won an Oscar award. You know his movies, like Good
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  Speaker 1: Will Hunting, Gone Girl, Batman, the list goes on. He
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  Speaker 1: has a new film, The Accountant 2. It's in theaters
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  Speaker 1: this Friday with Jon Bernthal. You may have seen the
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  Speaker 1: first one. I had a great time getting to know him.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Ben Affleck. Shut up!
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  Speaker 3: And I will find a song.
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  Speaker 2: I've been singing this song.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I lost my.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if you lose vanity as you get a
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  Speaker 2: little bit older. Like, not you, but like, do you...
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  Speaker 2: What does that have to do?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I see some people like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to tell because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you see some people like doing... crazy looking things and
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  Speaker 2: you think like, that looks crazy. Why are you trying
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  Speaker 2: to look 18 years old?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You kind of lose perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, like the guy who's on Celebrity Big Brother right now.
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  Speaker 2: Who's that guy? He kind of looks like Jack Sparrow.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about, but I can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I think you can go
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  Speaker 2: one of two ways. If you see yourself all the time,
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  Speaker 2: and especially if the way you make a living is
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  Speaker 2: by kind of in part the way you look or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: it feels like, you know, people can get like obsessed
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's kind of who I was thinking of Mickey Rourke,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, no judgment against him, but he trusts, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you can, it's definitely an active, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Some people it's like an active thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're in a real kind of like conundrum
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  Speaker 1: with yourself because you have to get old to the,
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  Speaker 1: you would constantly be feeling like afraid to get older,
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Or you'd be in like in a, Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a tricky thing, right? Like, you know, nobody wants
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  Speaker 2: to get older, right? Because what it means is, like,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to die. And nobody wants to really face that.
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  Speaker 2: And also, you just find out, like, you know, you're 50, man.
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  Speaker 2: When you get there, you'll see, like, just regular shit
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  Speaker 2: that used to be normal hurts. Like, moving around, you're like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: what happened to me today? You're like, why does my
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  Speaker 2: back hurt? Oh, because I got up, and then I
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  Speaker 2: sat back down.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I petted a small dog. Movement creates, like, small
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  Speaker 2: injuries all the time, you know? And so you start
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  Speaker 2: to get a little bit. that can kind of affect you.
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  Speaker 2: And I think if you, I think part of it's
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  Speaker 2: you gotta just get comfortable with the fact that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess I'm lucky, cause I'm, I don't feel like,
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  Speaker 2: oh shit, I better look young.
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  Speaker 3: And I, you know, kind of am who I am
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  Speaker 3: and I'm all right with that.
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  Speaker 2: And also kind of what I like, what I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: in more and more is stuff that doesn't necessarily involve
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  Speaker 2: like how I look. Like that pressure, I think like
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  Speaker 2: for women, for anybody who sees himself all the time,
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I think that can turn into like a
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  Speaker 2: vicious cycle of trying to look at shit and fix
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  Speaker 2: it or look younger or something. Whereas like, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to look any kind of way to direct movies,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or have a business, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So I guess I'm lucky enough. Do you, it's hard
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  Speaker 2: to know if you, it would seem like you seem
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  Speaker 2: like a guy who likes being in Hollywood or doesn't
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  Speaker 2: like being in Hollywood, I guess. There's things I really
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  Speaker 2: like about it and things I really don't like, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I wish they didn't have to be together, but
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  Speaker 2: they are, right? Like it's kind of life. It's there's,
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  Speaker 2: you got to take the good with the bad. I
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  Speaker 2: don't really like to like do big social events or
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  Speaker 2: go out much. I'm kind of shy. I don't really
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  Speaker 2: want to be on care. Certainly when I'm like in
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  Speaker 2: my regular life and I'm walking around in my, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever underwear and t-shirts, I don't want people looking at me.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I'm my family and my kids and my life.
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  Speaker 2: I wish that were more private. I don't, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many people really want to be sort of
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  Speaker 2: scrutinized in that way. But I, I really like, making
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  Speaker 2: movies and I like telling those stories. And so look,
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  Speaker 2: the truth is I always knew that was kind of
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  Speaker 2: a part of it. And so, you know, I deal
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  Speaker 2: with it. I don't, there's things I don't love about
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  Speaker 2: this business. A lot of them, you know, it can
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  Speaker 2: make you kind of crazy, you know, it can record
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  Speaker 2: and there's stuff that's just no fun for me, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, events and shows and stuff like that. I don't,
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  Speaker 2: Some people really know how to have a good time.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I did. I wish I was out there like, great,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to hit it. And I'm going to, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like, as if I had that attitude, I'd probably be
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  Speaker 3: happier about it. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm always trapped inside of myself. There's always
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of. Like, some of you were like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't like being in a crowd. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: have a crowd inside of me right now. There's a
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  Speaker 1: crowd in my head.
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  Speaker 3: It's busy enough.
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  Speaker 2: I got 30 people in here, and we're out of
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  Speaker 2: hors d'oeuvres. So I got enough fucking problems on the
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  Speaker 2: interior right now. So I can totally relate to that.
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  Speaker 2: And every time there is a.
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  Speaker 2: And then we'll get off this. I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you about directing and acting. Because, yeah, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this bit is so.
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  Speaker 1: Because they always get pictures of you where you seem
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  Speaker 1: like you're the dwarf that is kind of like the
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  Speaker 1: backup dwarf. You're on the side, you're smoking.
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  Speaker 3: What is that guy? I don't know that character. Is
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  Speaker 3: he pissed?
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a little pissed. Yeah, he's an understudy.
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  Speaker 3: He's the understudy dwarf. Okay, I got it.
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  Speaker 1: And not dwarf, like you're a regular-heighted guy, but it's like,
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  Speaker 1: and I shouldn't have said dwarf, I shouldn't say anything,
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  Speaker 1: but it was like, I don't know, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: they only put this chronology out of you that makes
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  Speaker 1: you seem like you're kind of bummed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: If the only time, like when somebody's taking a picture
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  Speaker 2: of me, I'm bummed because usually I'm with my kids,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to go somewhere, and then there's four guys
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  Speaker 2: who are like, and I'm like, hey, man, can you
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  Speaker 2: give me some time? I'm trying to be with my kids.
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  Speaker 2: Do you mind?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So the look on your face is kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: And then they go away and not taking the picture.
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  Speaker 2: You go inside and you're having a good time, but
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  Speaker 2: it's this selective experience of like, take a picture of
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  Speaker 2: somebody every time they're feeling irritated, they're going to look irritated.
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  Speaker 2: Especially if you're the one irritating them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I'll come piss you off and then take
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  Speaker 3: your picture and then put, and then be like, look.
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  Speaker 2: I pissed off.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what, that's exactly what that whole system is really.
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  Speaker 3: Right. But, and it's like useful.
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  Speaker 2: Cause that's why like, you know, I'm sure you've seen
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  Speaker 2: on all this stuff, like the, you know, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the idea is like fall somebody around antagonize them.
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  Speaker 2: And then hopefully they'll have like a nervous breakdown and
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  Speaker 2: go crazy on you.
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  Speaker 3: And then your video be worth more money, you know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's, it's such a, it's that whole thing gets really
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  Speaker 1: black mirrorish, man. You know, it really gets kind of like, um.
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  Speaker 2: Like I can remember a long time ago, you know,
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  Speaker 2: years and years ago, like I really had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of empathy for Britney Spears because I remember that it
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  Speaker 2: seemed like, and it's not somebody that I, I knew
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  Speaker 2: or hung out with, but I just like everybody else.
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  Speaker 3: You see all this shit that comes through.
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  Speaker 2: And I, but having had my own experience with myself,
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  Speaker 2: I knew like, these are people are following her around
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  Speaker 2: in a time where she may or may not have
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  Speaker 2: been having difficulty.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I don't know her, but I do know that the,
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  Speaker 2: the cycle of having people harangue you and yell at
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  Speaker 2: you and hassle you and follow you. It kind of
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  Speaker 2: seemed like that itself was kind of whipping up the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing into its easy. So it's, Like they're not helping.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they're kind of poking a stick at it and going, look, look,
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  Speaker 2: look at it. And that's where it felt kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: that's the first time I thought, this is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a weird kind of unintentional, I think culturally, but kind
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  Speaker 2: of collective cruelty where what's taken out of the image
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  Speaker 2: that you see are the people around, you know, waving
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  Speaker 2: the stick at the tiger or poking on it or
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  Speaker 2: whatever and And all you see is the growling animal
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it is. But like a part of that
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  Speaker 2: is because somebody come around and, you know, hitting on
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  Speaker 2: or whatever to make it get active. And that's where
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  Speaker 2: you think, OK, well, this isn't really news. It's not
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  Speaker 2: even real. It's not what would be happening if this
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  Speaker 2: effect wasn't taking place. And that's where I thought, OK,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the sort of wise thing to do is
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  Speaker 2: to just sort of like maintain one's perspective and try
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  Speaker 2: to remove yourself a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't, which is what I would like to do.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's this sense that like, if you see
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  Speaker 2: someone's picture all the time, they must want you to
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  Speaker 2: be seeing it, right? which is not the case at
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  Speaker 2: all for me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm self-conscious. I don't really want you to be seeing that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see any reason for it.
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  Speaker 2: As an actor, it's no good for you because I
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  Speaker 2: don't really want people, if they watch a movie, to
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  Speaker 2: be like, that's not him, because I saw him yesterday
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  Speaker 2: at lunch and I know who he really is. It
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  Speaker 2: gets in the way of you being able to create
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  Speaker 2: the illusion. It's really hard work to create the illusion
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  Speaker 2: that this person, like the character in The Counting Two,
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  Speaker 2: for example, is a real person in a real circumstance.
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  Speaker 2: And in order to get the audience to care about it,
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  Speaker 2: to laugh, to find it exciting and empathize with the character,
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  Speaker 2: they have to suspend disbelief. That's harder if you're constantly
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  Speaker 2: being shown something else. So I think it gets in
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  Speaker 2: the way. It makes it harder to.
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  Speaker 3: Be an actor. And it's also not good for you.
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  Speaker 2: People start to resent you if they see you too much,
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  Speaker 2: no matter whether or not you're trying to be seen.
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  Speaker 3: You go, no, no, I don't want to do this.
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  Speaker 2: And nonetheless, I remember 20 years ago going through an
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  Speaker 2: experience where I was like, it feels to the world
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  Speaker 2: like I'm trying to shove myself in their face. And
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  Speaker 2: nobody likes that, right? Nobody wants to be the camera hog,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who's trying to get a bunch of attention.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, you just leave me alone and
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  Speaker 2: I would be much happier. So in a way it
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  Speaker 2: also can damage your career. Although I think it's, I
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  Speaker 2: don't pretend to understand the nuances of social media and
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  Speaker 2: how to manage that as a celebrity, so I don't
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  Speaker 2: do it. Some people do it really well. but and
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  Speaker 2: i think there is a difference now because like it's
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  Speaker 2: like if you have 100 million followers that's actually valuable
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  Speaker 2: and meaningful in a different way i still i'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of old school i guess in a way of seeing
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  Speaker 2: medium school i think i'm middle school yes exactly i
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  Speaker 2: am a seventh grader.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dude yeah i don't even think i don't know
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  Speaker 1: if i graduated that when someone they let you skip
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  Speaker 1: i guess if you're depending on what county you're in.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes they hold you back.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they hold you back, dude. Bro, the scariest thing
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  Speaker 2: was when the dumb bully kid got held back and
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  Speaker 2: you're like.
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  Speaker 3: You had to stick around in your garage.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like bro i remember we got word six
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  Speaker 2: ten and in like sixth grade dude we got word
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  Speaker 2: that damien had gotten held back and people were like
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  Speaker 2: oh hell no dude We cannot do Damien again. Hold
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  Speaker 2: me back too. We cannot do Damien again. Like Damien
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  Speaker 2: has to go out to pasture wherever they put these
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  Speaker 2: kids that leave sixth grade. And they're like, Damien's coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Finish their education at sixth grade. Shut him down, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Tase him or something. You know, put a tire spike
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  Speaker 1: when he's leaving out of his driveway in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: But Damien cannot come back.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it is interesting. And it is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a sickness.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people see that stuff as
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  Speaker 1: a sickness these days. Um, but I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: fascinating about the suspension of disbelief and that that was
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  Speaker 1: something that used to be amazing about celebrities is like,
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  Speaker 1: you never got to see them.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so you only got to see them and actors
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  Speaker 1: and you only got to see them on screen in
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  Speaker 1: this way. And so you really envision them that way.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you would almost be shocked if you saw
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  Speaker 1: a celebrity in person or an actor in person, uh, who.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't like, like Indiana Jones, if he didn't have his head,
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to say that. is that when
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  Speaker 2: I was a kid, I kind of thought Harrison Ford
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  Speaker 2: was that guy.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Harrison Ford, I think he's probably the biggest movie star
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  Speaker 2: of my childhood. And whether it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Indian Jones or Star Wars, like he was the guy
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  Speaker 2: and I kind of thought he was that guy. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's a little weird to see that guy just like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in his sneakers and his kind of raincoat
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  Speaker 2: walking around Brentwood. It's sort of like, of course it's
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  Speaker 2: disappointing or it's disillusioning or something because you, You have
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  Speaker 2: this thing in your mind that people went to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg and George Lucas went to a whole, you know,
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  Speaker 2: use all their talent, went to a bunch of work
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  Speaker 2: to make this dude look like Indiana Jones and Han Solo.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what I've seen now is like, I
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  Speaker 2: actually don't even want to see the actors that I
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  Speaker 2: really like. I don't want to go on your social
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  Speaker 2: because I don't want to know what you had for lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Cause it just makes it harder for me to get
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  Speaker 2: into like what, you know, what you're doing. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's, I think that is a real directorial way
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  Speaker 1: to think. I think, I mean, I can see that
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  Speaker 1: in your brain. I mean, I'm just a judge. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just a guy judging you. They just met in a
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  Speaker 1: room somewhere, but, um, but I never thought about that,
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  Speaker 1: that that's how it is that, yeah, you don't want,
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  Speaker 1: you want them kind of, you want to, Hollywood has
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  Speaker 1: almost bitten its own tail in that way because there's
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  Speaker 1: this underlying, like, valueless current, really, that's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a very cheap currency.
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  Speaker 2: It's Hollywood sort of adjacent, which is this side of
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  Speaker 2: media culture that profits from and circles, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: symbiotic relationship between Hollywood and obviously, like, here I am
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  Speaker 2: promoting my movie and running around, and now I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to go on, like, a tabloid and do that
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it is, but that becomes part of that
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  Speaker 2: culture too. And then you have like any interview show
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  Speaker 2: or all these, and you're right in a sense it
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  Speaker 2: is Hollywood because if you do a movie at Universal,
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  Speaker 2: you'll see that person's doing all NBC, Comcast owned talk
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  Speaker 2: shows and appearances, right? Like it's not a coincidence because
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  Speaker 2: when they do their presentation in the boardroom for Comcast
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  Speaker 2: to their shareholders, they go look. we make these movies,
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  Speaker 2: we spend a lot of money and then we get
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  Speaker 2: the stars and we plug them into all of our
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  Speaker 2: other shows that we also own and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of synergy, so on and so forth. The idea though
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  Speaker 2: is like, okay, that's a kind of a tax that
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  Speaker 2: you end up sort of paying on your sort of
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  Speaker 2: life and on this thing that you're trying to build,
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  Speaker 2: which is something that connects with people and moves them
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  Speaker 2: and that they want to go out to a fucking
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  Speaker 2: movie theater and pay good money to see. And it
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  Speaker 2: makes it a little bit harder than to have to
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  Speaker 2: kind of go around and do all that other stuff
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  Speaker 2: and be like okay well that's not who i really
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  Speaker 2: am and that's and and and to try to sort
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  Speaker 2: of be interesting and relevant in some other way that
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  Speaker 2: isn't really what you kind of even wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: and so so you're right it's sort of part hollywood
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  Speaker 2: and also kind of hollywood adjacent and.
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  Speaker 1: It is eating its it does eat its tail in
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  Speaker 1: a way because it's because the acting in the creation
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  Speaker 1: it's like a watch looking at the beauty of a
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  Speaker 1: lake right it's like this is picturesque and this is
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  Speaker 1: like how they meant the waves to look. And there's
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  Speaker 1: a current here and there's an inflow and outflow and
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: something landed in the water over here and left a
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: ripple and something else is, this is the B story
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: and there's a ripple, but then it's this under, it's this,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: all this stuff under it. And it's almost starting to
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: like kind of drain its own lake in a way.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: It's a good metaphor.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like the, the movie as the kind of lake
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: and the underneath of what's both, what goes into it
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: and what happens behind the scenes and also what's, what it.
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: Takes is, And it does kind of like, it's interesting, like.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you overtax it, it lowers the lake and
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden it doesn't look like a beautiful lake.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: It starts to look like the low country marsh and
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: it pulls down. You start to see all the black
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: mud around the edges and the muck. And that's, yeah,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to kind of balance that. But
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: as a director, you know, you're right. Like I would
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: say that's the way, the principle way I've always kind
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: of looked at this stuff. So it used to be
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: that you, you had an actor and you had people
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: knew less about them. And now a part of even
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: casting for me is what do people think or of
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: and expect this person to do and or be, and
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: how can I both, I have to rely on that
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: and use that, but I also have the opportunity to
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: kind of subvert that in a way. And, and so
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: you have to be mindful, not just of the story
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: you're telling, But what does the audience bring into the
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: theater with them or when they turn on television.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: You know, expect?
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, I think that's advanced thinking, to be honest
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: with you. I really do. It's just learned by lived experience. Mostly,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: you know, find out like I even often make mistakes,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: you know, like if I sometimes have found if I
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: sort of. I did a movie where I had like
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: a very blonde wig that was like a medieval. Were
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: you Ric Flair or something?
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I wish I was Ric Flair. That would be spectacular.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: I'd love to play. It was actually a good movie.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I really liked it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: It was called The Last Duel. And it was great
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: director Ridley Scott and he had this idea for it.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ridley Scott.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: And yeah, there's the thing there you see.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: And I liked the, if no one I think had
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: ever seen me or whatever, I thought that was really, yeah, interesting.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: The problem is that people, I think.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: What it did was people created noise around you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: look at this hair, is this different? And we know
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: it's a wig. And so now you look at it
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: and you go, but I know he doesn't look like that.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And so it causes you to kind of think it's false.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: That's an example of kind of probably not being able
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to go that far away from myself and still have
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: people go, okay, I can sit aside what I know
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: and just watch this story and like it and believe
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's fast. That's insider baseball, man. No, it makes
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: total sense. It makes total sense that that would start
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to affect how we see things. you know, there's something
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: that's happening where it's hard to get people to believe
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: in some of these movies, you know? And people's attention
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: spans have changed. It's gotten interesting.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bunch of things.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: The fact that, like, even the online world, for example,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: you see now that, like, shorter and shorter and shorter, like, clips.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Even my son... who's constantly showing me clips of you,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: by the way, you know what I mean?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So it's a nice kid.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: He's a great kid.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: He's a fabulous kid.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And he's, uh, and he's, he, now when I watch
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: him like scroll, it's like, he doesn't even get through
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the six seconds.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, and he'll like a long period
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: of time for him is four or five seconds. And it's,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and then I'm like, Hey man, you know, let's watch
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: this show or watch this movie. And it's like, He
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: gets bored fast. He's got to really love something to
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: sit through it. And then he binges all the episodes.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: We just sat through and watched Invincible, this animated show.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, let's keep going. So it's this
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: weird dichotomy of on the one hand, it's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Okay,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: then plug in and mainline this one thing and eat
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: it all up till it's gone. And yeah, so it
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: has really changed. You didn't used to be able to
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: to like pause and select or even have that much
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to choose from. Like that many choices is overwhelming to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the mind. Like we weren't made, I don't believe, evolutionarily
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and as human beings to like, you know, we're supposed
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to be living in like a village and see about
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: a hundred people in our lifetimes, right? That's the vast
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: majority of human history, that's how we did it. And
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I still feel like in a way that's how we're
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: socialized It's why, for example, if you feel left out
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: of a group, it's very painful. Because thousands of years ago,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: if you got left out of the village, the group, whatever,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and they didn't take you to hunt, you died. You
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: needed those people to live. And so- So it hits
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: something really limbic inside of you. And even social media,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: for example, you're looking at stuff and you go, damn,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: why is everybody else's life so good? And seeing the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: life you're advertising looks so fucking cool. And my inside
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: life feels like shit. That also is like a basic
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: primal thing. And I think that's what this stuff kind
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of touches. But the amount of information now that comes in,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: because really now everybody's a celebrity, right? Everybody is a celebrity.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Everybody is followed. Everybody's life is out there. There's newborns.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: There's four months old and 1,100 followers. And it's really, like, 1,100
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: followers is kind of, it's just a, it's not any
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: different from celebrity.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: It's just a matter of degree.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But this is a four-month, he can't even open both
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: of his eyes at the same time.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, exactly.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of become the, as the currency of, man,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that looks great, you know. Like, the currency of, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: fame in and of itself as a desirable thing. Like,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: people go, man, I want to be rich and famous.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Take rich. You know what I mean? You know, famous
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: is not, not gonna make you happy. It seems like
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: it will.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Cause it's like, Oh, people like me and know my
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: name and kind of know who I am. And I'll
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: feel like I've done something. I think a lot of
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: times what happens is if it doesn't come with a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: real sense of like achievement or accomplishment, it actually feels
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: hollow and.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Empty and like bullshit and undeserved.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Do you think you wanted to start directing because it
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: gave you even more of a sense of accomplishment?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Is that a weird question? But does that make any sense?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: No, it does make sense.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, I really, I didn't, I wanted to
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: fail on my own terms. So I had gone through
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: some movies that where I was like, I don't like this.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with this, but you, you know, you
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: got to do how it's like being a, playing a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: football team, whatever.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: You got to run the plays that the coach sets up.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: They're going to, you know, run a draw play, not
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: get the ball and, you know, turn around and run
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a sweep.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Because they're not blocking that way. You know what I mean?
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: It's just, that's, that's not going to work. Right.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: So you, that's how the, that whole, art form is
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: sort of structured by and large. And what I found was,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you know, I had a real strong sense of the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: way I wanted to do it. And when it didn't work,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: when it worked, I didn't feel great because it wasn't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: me that had that feeling. You know, I didn't feel like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel proud of it. And when it didn't work,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I just felt pissed off. Like, fuck, I didn't want
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to fucking do it. Goddamn, I didn't want to, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I said it, and that's a terrible feeling. So I'd
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: rather fail on my own terms or succeed on my
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: own terms And I, and that's where I kind of
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: got into, to directing. And I always, I wanted to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: do it even when I was younger and I liked it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I just didn't have the confidence. And at a certain
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: point I kind of had nothing to lose. And that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: was really what kind of gave me the courage to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: take that leap. And in the directing, you mean?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Because my, like as an actor, I sort of, I
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: got real cold and like had a couple of movies
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: that didn't work.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, all of a sudden it can
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: be kind of over for you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That's why it's a tough business.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Like there's no like, uh, seniority, there's no tenure, there's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: no retirement, no gold watch. If your show doesn't work
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: or your movie doesn't work and nobody wants to hire you,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: they're just going to hire someone else. There's 130,000 people
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in SAG and there's only 30,000 people that work every year.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And then there's an even smaller amount of those roles
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: where you have more than two lines. So it's very tough.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And so if you're not People aren't watching. They're not
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: commenting or it's not interesting. See you later.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And now it's different because I think the movie theater,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's a new attack. I think
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it takes novel thinking these days. I think it takes
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I think that movies themselves long form. I think it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to find some new unless it
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: is like. great or new or so novel, they're gonna
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: have to find some new ways to either present it
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: or edit it. I'm not sure what it is, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to me, just as a viewer, it feels like we're
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in this shift because so quickly have people gotten into
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: these quick moments. And it's not even that their attention
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: span is short, their commitment, it's like they don't want to,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not committing to that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Think about all the other options that you have. Oh, totally,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: you're sitting there with a computer.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Like when I was a kid and we went out,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: there was three channels of nothing on TV and it wasn't,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and if you didn't go see the movie in the theater,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: you had to wait a year for it to come
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: out on VHS or DVD or whatever it was or cable.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And so you were kind of- A rumor. You just
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: had to wait for it to come out in a diorama.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Like it was bad.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: The cave painting and shit. How long is it going
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: to take you to paint this on my cave?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Or a tattoo. A guy came through with a tattoo
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and it told a story.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: And so you had to like.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It looked like a domestic dispute a lot, but you're like, hey,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a story for everything. But dude, even
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like this light, Danny McBride gave me this like a
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: month ago or something. This light, it's like a flashlight
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: or something. Well, this side is just like a flashlight, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But the other side is like a wiener light. Like
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you can put like a wiener on something.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It has like a.
• 23:32
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  Speaker 3: And I think you're right.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: If you want to get people to go to the theaters,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: movies have got to be really good, like you can't just,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you used to be like, okay, let's go to three
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: movies in the theater every weekend, people are gonna go
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  Speaker 2: to one of them. Now you gotta have a reason
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to want to go out and see it. And I'm lucky,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: because the reason why I'm really confident about this movie,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: The Accountant 2, is it actually plays great. It's a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: really good movie, people love it. But I was the
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  Speaker 2: one where I was like, let's test this movie, let's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: take it out there. And I'm like, okay, this movie
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: belongs out there theatrically. and there's still, it's still more difficult.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: In the old days, this movie would've been a home run, easy,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: obviously I'm like, the movie's great, it works great, it's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: a big smash hit, now you have to like, okay,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: work hard to get it out, because ahead of time
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you screen it for people, you see what they say,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and the reaction's pretty consistent, interestingly. So, but now it's like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I think your point about what you have
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: to do, like the Minecraft movie or Barbie or, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it almost has to become like a cultural event, like
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: where people are going, acting the scenes out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Like there's a whole reason to go do it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Kind of.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Unless I think it's really good.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Or else it's really good.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And that's really what I believe about.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And you really believe in this. This movie is, listen,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you know, absolutely. Would you come out and say it
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: was good if it wasn't?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Not like that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I would sort of talk around it or talk about, well,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: there's some things I like about it. But now I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even want a movie to go out theatrically. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was going to work theatrically because it's,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I think, well, you know, there's people that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: will watch this on streaming because I do think the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: bar is lower. And I think there are different kinds
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of movies work on streaming and, you know, great movies
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: work on streaming too. But I would say I would
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: choose to do that. This was one that was supposed
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to be, I wasn't, you know, it wasn't like we're
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: going to go out theatrically. It was when the movie
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: came together and worked as well as it did. you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: we thought this is definitely a theatrical movie and it's, it's,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's really good. I'm really proud of it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I love it. John Bernthal's great. It's funny.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: It's better than the first one.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. John Bernthal was my brother. He's great. He's your brother? Yeah. That's,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: to me, and it's, we're like a two-hander. What the fuck?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all are brothers?
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: In the movie. He's not my real brother, but yeah. Oh, shit.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And he's fucking amazing in the movie. And he plays your,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: so wait, so who is the accountant or you can't
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: tell us?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: The accountant, no, it's me, right? I'm this guy's accountant
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: who's got, who's.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Are you a CPA? I'm a CPA, but it's sort
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of one of these things where it's gonna sound a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: little bit. far-fetched when I tell you but it's actually
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: very which is we grew up obviously together as brothers
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and we had this father that was very tough on
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: us heavy duty military guy this is in the first
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: movie right when we were kids you see flashbacks and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: he kind of was you know trained.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Us movie You've seen the first movie, right?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: This is the second. You saw the first one, Me
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: and John, came out like eight years ago. Oh, yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So this is the second one.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: This is the sequel.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Sorry, man.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: That's all right.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't put it together. But I think this actually,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you know, which is rare, and I definitely wouldn't say
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: this if it weren't true, is it's better than the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: first movie.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: It's funny.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It's got more kind of heart. It's more broadly accessible.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: The action's better. And I really liked the first movie.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And you directed this one, too?
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: No.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I acted it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: A guy named Gavin O'Connor directed this movie, who's a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: really good director, who directed the first one.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And how do you decide who is a good director?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Because you are a good director yourself.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: But I guess the way you decide that, honestly, is
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: by watching their movies. You look at it and you
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: go kind of, you know, and if it's something that
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you do, you sort of watch it and you can tell.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Even movies where there's instances where it's like might not
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: be my kind of movie or it might be my taste,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: but you can still say, okay, well, this is somebody
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: who really understands. This is like a master. This is
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: somebody who's very competent. Or it really is to my taste.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is amazing. But it's hard to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: get good at. So there aren't very many great directors.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the really tricky things about about
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: making movies. I'm really like, this is the third time
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I've worked with this director, Gavin, and I really liked
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the guy.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: He did Miracle. He did his movie Warrior.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Warrior is with the boxer? Jake Gyllenhaal?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: No.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Why am I forgetting his name?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: The dude from Venom. Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: And Nick Nolte.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: People love him. And he did Miracle, which is about
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the Olympic hockey team. Oh, yeah, against Canada, America versus Canada,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I think, or something.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Russia. Yeah, Russia, the original. Oh, no, Russia's like dirty Canada. Yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like, and that's, yeah, no offense to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: anybody who's Russian, but also, you know it. So it's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: not like we're keeping secrets from them. We're advertising that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So would you go work on it? So if you
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and Jon Bernthal, you guys are buddies, you get along well?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I love the guy. Yeah. I knew him. I liked him.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: So that became really close with him on this movie.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: We just hit it off really well.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I'm sure you experienced this, like in
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: your line of work, like some people, you kind of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: just hit it off with the works. It's a great, like,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: oh my God, you don't even know kind of how
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it happens.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And sometimes the chemistry is just not there. You know
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Have you ever met, seen Tim Dillon?
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: What about him?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, you just got to watch him, dude. He's so funny.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: He's just one of the funniest guys he ever made.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: He just made me think like he's somebody that's really funny.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Shane Gillis. Yeah, Shane Gillis is funny. But I mean,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: so what I'm saying like for you personally, right? Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you might find that like you sitting down talking to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: somebody works. Even if somebody's great, they might come in
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and you guys just don't hit it off or you
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: might be great together. In this case, I really felt
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: like with John, like we got really lucky and we
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: both kind of, it's like a two-hander. It's like a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: kind of odd couple sort of brother because I'm very reserved,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: very straight. Hey, he's very tough and ballsy and so like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And so we're kind of opposites,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: but we love each other, but we're kind of brothers.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: So we drive each other crazy and we're frustrated with
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: each other. And there's kind of those things really, those
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: kind of relationships, dynamics and stories really depend on the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: chemistry you have. And John's a just amazing actor, but
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: also it was great to work with him.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And I love the guy. I respect him. He's a
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: good man. He's a great father. He works hard. He's
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: just everything. I, you know, I've.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Heard a lot of, I've heard a lot of neat
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: things about him because he podcasts as well. You know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I think, or he has, he might have to take
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: breaks from it if he's acting a lot. How long
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: does like, how long are you shooting something like that?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And then are there phases during a movie shoot where
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, it starts off, you know, it's like, and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you just kind of get burnt.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Like, is there a way to kind of. Yeah, because
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the way they set it up is like, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: and I don't think this is like optimal necessarily, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: because of how you got to get everybody together and,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you know, build the sets and do all this shit
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: and all at once, you know, it gets, you end
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: up working like, you know, 14, 16 hour days.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And you know, there is, you know, it's a function
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: of just the, some inefficiencies and the way it works.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: And sometimes just what you have to do.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So you're constantly working on sort of all you're thinking
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: about morning, noon, night. And you go home, go to sleep,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: wake up, go back to work. So you can get
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: burned out on it. But you can also, like with
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Accountant 2, it was like it started to just work
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: better and better than I thought.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: And so every day I was thrilled to go to work.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: And I found as I get older, I'm like, I
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: want to work with people that I really like. Because
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: like so much of your life is spent at work.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: That becomes kind of what, like, obviously, you know, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: have my family. That's the number one thing in my life.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And I just make the time for that. I have
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: my kids.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I'm divorced. I have them, you know, half the time.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: So I got them half the week.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Then I'm like with them, the other part of my
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: life I'm going to spend at work and, That's, so
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I've realized like, if you want my life to be,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: if you want me to be happy, I got to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: have fun, then I want to be working with people
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: that I really like and respect and enjoy being around.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And it's not always easy to choose that. Not everybody can.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You get lucky, you know? And so I was, with this,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I was really lucky. I love John.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Do, have you ever made, yeah, because David Spade and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I wrote a movie that we just shot a couple
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: months ago.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was fascinating. I've just kind of learned
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: about how to do it. Like, we've been friends for
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: about- How long did you shoot for?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Four years.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: We shot for 23 days, and we got- That's pretty quick.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: It was, yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It was quick. We got pushed by the fire.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: So everything kind of got messed up and we kind of,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: not everything got messed up, but we got like sandwiched
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: in a moment where it was like, everybody's here. The
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: winds are 40 miles an hour today.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: We have to, there's no, we paid for ourselves. So
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: it was like, we have to do this. Did you
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: find out when people have your own money on something,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's like, okay, we're going to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Like people have a whole different attitude. That's something I've found.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we need a Dalmatian. I'm like, we
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: don't have a Dalmatian. We'll fucking shave that sheep. and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: fucking staple some.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Tattoo some spots on this motherfucker and shoot.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And with removable glue, glue some Oreos to it and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: get that bastard out there. Teach it to bark. We
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have 40 minutes. Get on YouTube and teach that thing
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to bark. Have you ever made a movie that you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: didn't put out or that wasn't put out?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Early on, I made a bunch of movies that were
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: independent movies that didn't have distribution. They had a studio
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: that said, okay, we're paying for this, and when it's finished,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: we're going to put a bunch of money in advertising
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: because you've got to spend a bunch more money to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: advertise a movie after you make it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Right. Or at least, you know, and that's one of
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: the big things that's changing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Now people are like, okay, how can we do this
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: in a more intelligent way because all that money spent
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: on television commercials is just, A, wasted now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm here. Like, this is a much more
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: effective way to do it. You know what I mean?
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, dude.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It seems exciting. Well, here's the thing.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I think when you tell me that it's good, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: honestly think that I believe you that it's going to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: be good.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I'm telling the truth. The movie's really good.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: If you had a movie that wasn't good, you kind
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: of do a few of the basic things. Because look,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: it's going to turn out like, it's going to be a.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Bell curve one way or the other.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: The better you are, you're going to move your bell
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: curve a little bit further down and have a better
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: chunk of movies.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: But I got about 12 movies.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: That I really love and I'm proud of and about
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: 25 that are like, I like this, I didn't like that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: And about 10 or 12, whatever, that are like, That's
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: fucking terrible. I hate this. I can't watch it. It
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: was awful.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And when I did independent movies, sometimes they just didn't
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: get distribution. Like no one wanted to put it out
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: or I went to a film festival. I haven't had
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: movies that were so like just something so terrible happened.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: when the studio already was making it, that it wasn't
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: put out, but you know, you have like, they changed
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: their plan. You can kind of see, oh, now we're
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: going to shift to this or that. Now you can
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: put something on streaming and you don't, it used to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: be like, you were going to go out theatrical. So
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you kind of were like naked. You just had your,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And if it didn't work,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: everybody knew. Cause they're saying, look, this movie made 10
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: cents this weekend. And, you'd want them to take the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: fucking billboard down, you drive past the billboard, like, the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: billboard's like, it was a bomb, the movie's a bomb,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: You're up there at night in your Batman costume just
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: painting over it with one of those big paint reachers. Dude,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: did you ever see Family Man?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Did you see that movie? Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I love that movie, man. That's like one of my,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Family Man I liked really a lot. Dunkirk
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I liked, I thought was cool.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Dunkirk's a great movie, Chris Nolan's a great movie. Brilliant,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: brilliant guy. Tell me about your movie with Dave Spade.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Who do you play?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Is it comedy? Yeah, it's just bus boys. It's like
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: he's like a guy. He's just like we're just two
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: kind of dumb guys or whatever. We just got the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: first edit through, so it's like I'm watching it right now, man.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, like, that first cut of the movie, like,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: when I see the first cut of my own movie,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I want to kill myself.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: So, like, you should not go crazy seeing the first
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: cut and not like it. I almost have never, like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: now I have a company and we make a bunch
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of movies. And, you know, the first cut, this is
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: one of the only movies where the first cut came in,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's great. 90% of the time, you're like, okay,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: we got a long way to go. It's a very
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: iterative process. They get better, and more work is done
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: after you finish shooting to make it good. Yeah, that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing. I'm meeting with an editor next week.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Go in and sit down and be like, this is
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: what's supposed to be funny about this scene.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And explain it to them, what you think is funny
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and is good, because it may seem obvious to you,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and it probably doesn't to that person. You can lose track,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: but you go, look, the reason it's funny is because
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: you think we're gonna do this, we know this about
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: us from the first whatever scene, and when it come in,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: it's that take where I yelled at the guy, that
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: should be a surprise. You'd be surprised how often, it's
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: hard to put a, go.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: In and tell them.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been tough, because I've been spending my nights, like, watching,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and now I'm not going to. It feels shitty, too,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: to put all that work into it and look at
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: it and go, what the fuck is this, right?
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: It's the worst feeling in the world.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It feels fucking horrible, because it's like I'm very particular about, like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: what I create. Like you said in the beginning, it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like I like to make things, I know what I want,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you know? It's like I know my intuition, and if
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I fail on my intuition, then that's exactly where I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: want to fail.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Because that's pure to me, right? Like, that's okay.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, that's what you want to do, great. Right.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: But it's a very tricky thing for other people.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: To like get you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And to know, you know what I mean? Your sense
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of humor, your worldview is all obvious to you, right?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But it's just not to people. So a lot of
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: times you have to spend like more time than you
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: would have thought literally going, here's what should be funny.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: If you can explain the joke, like you're a super
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: funny guy, funny comedian, you understand comedy very well. So
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: you can sit and break it down to him and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: go like, you gotta know this about it, what's funny
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: is that we didn't expect me to do this, that's
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: a callback to this other moment, or the whole thing
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: that when I did it, what I thought was funny
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: is this take where I did that. Because on the set,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if you're doing a comedy, and you shot it,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: you had moments where you were like, that's funny, right?
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: That I think that's funny. I think that's good.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's literally about going back into the dailies and
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: saying like, okay, go find the closeup or find this
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: two shot. The thing where I said to David and
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: David looked at me like this and whatever, that was
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the one where I left and thought, uh, that works.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Like there's no mystery or magic to why they're doing
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it a different way. They oftentimes just need feedback. It's,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: it is, this is not like sculpting or writing a novel.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: It's not a, single person, it's collaborative, it has to
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: be collaborative. If I'm directing a movie with you in it,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and it obviously is going to have your comic sensibility.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Like I got to know and get what's funny to
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you or I'm not the guy. Right. And, and I'm,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to need help along the way. Any director
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: is going like, so how come, what, what do you
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: imagine about this? Or what do you think?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Like, that's why you have to explain it and sort
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: of talk about it. Cause that person's got to understand
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: all those things that made you be funny in the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: first place and start going, Oh, people are laughing when
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I say, Oh, these are funny.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: And you've put it together and professionalized it. But like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: You gotta share that with them, really. And then this
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: is also where people sometimes get into fights, of course,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: because people's ego gets in the way.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Ego will kill you.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You have to be able to hear, I don't care
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: what you do, you have to be able to hear like,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this doesn't work, this is dog shit, because the audience
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: will tell you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Right, that's the thing. And it's like, I'm so particular,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not particular, but I just know what kind of
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: has worked, you know? That's valuable, because not everybody does.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: So what you have, right, is that awareness. You don't
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: think about it, you feel it, right? You're like, that
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: feels funny. Or when you see something, you're like, that
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: feels wrong. Like makes you uncomfortable, right? So that is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a thing that's unique to you, right? So you need
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: to give them access to that and get it. And
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: when you, you know, And if somebody's gonna take it personal,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it's not personal. And what David thought was funny, okay,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you have to be connected in that way and you
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: have to understand that. It's not about like, okay, fuck
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: you guys, now.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go make my vision of this thing. That's
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: a disaster.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just think like, yeah, this is
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: why this was written this way and this is why
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: it's funny. And so this is the first time that
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: we're like more hands-on with it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Well, then you should definitely be hands-on because by the way,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: no one's going to do it for you.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, I agree with that too.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: It's going to get better on its own, man. It's
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: going to get better if you get in and work
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: on it. And by the way, you're going to see
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it again and you're going to have to go, okay, closer.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Now let's try this.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Let's try that. And then again, the.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Way movies like get better really is iterative. It's like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's like coats of paint.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: You got to keep on going. It's like a good
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: paint job on a car. It was like 12 coats
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: of paint. That's why it looks good.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? That was it.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Do movies take a long time to edit sometimes? Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: 26 weeks is the post-production schedule for most movies, right?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: That includes music. That's half of one year.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's longer than the production. You're trying to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: grab everything you can during production that's more expensive every
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: day to shoot.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Editing is, you rent the.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Editing room, the facilities.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: But it's not as expensive.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: We needed an owl one day. We had an owl, right?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: This bitch, it was $ 1, 100 an hour. For an owl? Yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it was like a semi-endangered. I don't want to say
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: endangered or whatever, but it was like at risk. Do
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: they charge more if it's like, you know what I mean? Like,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: if you can get a chicken, they're not endangered. You
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: can kill that shit, just cut.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: His head off. That's $ 10 for the owl.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: You can get a tall chicken.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: No one's going to know the difference.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You can take the chicken, break his neck, and he's
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: turned around. You can get a tall, curious chicken. We'll
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: give you that. I think maybe that's just like one
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: of those things where it's like, what's the rate for owls?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: You just get to make it up if you sell owls.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: It's like, God, you get into there and there's just
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: all this animal entrapment. What else was I thinking about?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Would you let your children? Well, I want to talk
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to you a little bit more about directing. because Argo
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you directed, right? And did you care about the Middle East?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: How much were you like a Middle East guy? I
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: know you, I've read some of the- That movie's not really,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I did study the Middle East in school and so
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I understood about it. I wouldn't make a movie that
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't, it'd be like, making a movie with you
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and not getting your humor, right?
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Like it would just be crazy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Like you, as the director, you got to care more
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and be more interested in that movie than everybody else.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Everyone else is going to be bored of it, right?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And you've got to love it the whole time through.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So the big key is like, this is going to
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: be interesting to me. There was a lot of things
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that were interesting to me about that movie. One was
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the real story, the CIA agent who had done it,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the people that I met and talked to at the CIA,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the actual nature of like intelligence work versus, you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: what you have seen with a, like, you know, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: like super spy shit. That's not really realistic. And this
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: story was really interesting to me. And also I thought
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: it was like the fact that they had this like
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: bizarre connection to Hollywood and this Hollywood makeup artists. And
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: that we're trying to bridge those two worlds was, was
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: really interesting to me, but it was a scary, challenging
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: movie because the director's main job is tone, right? Like
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that's the main dress that the director is going to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: really create is like, what's the tone of this? Like,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: what's the vibe? What's, Are we, is this serious? What
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: are we interested in? Like, what do we consider funny?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: What do we, you know, all those things that, that,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: you know, go into all the choices we make in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: life from the car, you get the closure by all that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: What kind of, what is your taste? And not everyone's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: going to like it, right? Some people, it's just not
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: going to be their taste. You got to at least
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: make it as good as you can. to your own taste,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like you said, your own instincts.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta find that tone that matches, because people
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: want to believe, they're going to expect a certain tone
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: from you as well, I think, you know?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when that tone doesn't work, you're like, this
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: is kind of crass, Jesus, fucking, you know what I mean, corny,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: it's like, it seems silly or whatever, and it's like,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: because you're asking someone to take something seriously that they
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: can't take seriously, or think is funny that they don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: think is funny, and that's where it's a tricky kind
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: of nebulous job, but That's the most interesting, to me,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: important thing about it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: And that's, yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Do you, would you let your children act, do you think? Well,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't let them act professionally while they were children, no.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: But I would let, you know, if they wanted to
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: do plays and shit and make their own kind of
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: stuff with their friends, that's fine with me. I don't
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: think it would be, I don't know judgment against people
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: that do it. I've done playing movies with, you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: child actors and stuff.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: And that's fine.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: From my experience, uh, acting as a kid and what I,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and what I want for my children is not, uh, is,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: is not that, but also you got to understand that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: then they, you know, I got a 19 year old,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I got one 16, I was 13.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Oh wow. They make their own choices. Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Right. As a dad, you just like that. Is that,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: is that gotta be tougher when you're a dad?
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Like you kind of have already lived some life. So
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you were like, ah, and not even about acting, it's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: about anything. And then your kid is kind of like
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: making it like, is that, and you don't want to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like probably push them too much or like, because then
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you're pressure some dude, that's gotta be a real, like
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: walking a police line or something.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole job of life.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: It's like for me before I had kids, you know,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't really realize what my life was about. And
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: then this becomes the central challenge of your life. And,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and if you have a, everybody has complications and tricky
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: shit in their life and that's part of being a
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: parent is managing that with what kind of life am
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I bringing my kids into, making a good life for
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: my children, how do we, you know, Um, and that
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: that's part of that is my kids are growing up
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: out here in LA. I didn't grow up in LA.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't, I never met a famous person or actor
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: or anything. That shit just seemed like a million miles
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: away to me.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And totally sure. If you're in the rest of the world,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: it feels so far away. And then you forget after
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you hear for a while, how far away it seems
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to other people. Like if you meet, you know, like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: just anybody who was in, and it just like, that's like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: A, I remember I was 12 years old in Boston
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and I saw Christopher Lloyd who played the dude on
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Back to the Future you know and I saw him
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: walking down the street I think he was doing a
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: play yeah exactly I followed the guy for like six
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: blocks like now.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I'd be like there's this fucking 12 year old kid
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: following me.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean like I stalked him like
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it that it was the guy from
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Back to the Future I lost my mind and it
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: was the only you know celebrity famous whatever person I'd
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: ever seen or known and, and so my kids are now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: they're seeing different stuff. Some of it's useful for them
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: because it disabuses them of some illusions that I think
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: are worth being disabused of. And also, but I'm also like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I don't look, they're going to, if you, if you,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: their kids are going to kind of be and do what,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: who they are, what they want to do, which your
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: job is to let them know that they're loved, that
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: they're keep them safe, you know, provide them opportunities and
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: also not, you know, you got to resist the temptation to,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to try to get everything out of the way for
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: them because you're not gonna learn anything or develop any
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: grid or resilience if shit's just easy.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I didn't even thought about that. It's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: like you're watching them walk and there's something kind of
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: in their path. And if you take it away completely,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: then they're not gonna learn how to deal with an obstacle.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: But if you leave it there, then you're gonna have
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: to watch them go through an obstacle. That's gotta be crazy.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And it's hard watching your kids, even trying to climb
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: over something, your instinct is to pick them up, take
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: them over, but you have to, like, yes, you don't
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: want them to put their finger in a socket, you
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, or off a cliff, but that
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean, life has to be hard. It has to
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: be difficult in some ways. It doesn't have to be,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be traumatic, shouldn't be awful or painful, but... things
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: have to be hard for you to learn to do
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: hard things. And this world, like it or not, is
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: going to demand that you do hard shit. If you
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: want to have anything, if you want to be able
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: to provide for your own family, have your own dreams,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: have the things that you want to have because if
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you don't do it, the guy next to you is
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: going to do it better or the woman over here
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: is going to do it better and you're going to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: lose out.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: And also, I don't want my kids to.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: have that first big tough experience in life and kind
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: of fall apart. Some of the best lessons I ever
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: learned in life were from failure. In fact, for sure.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't learn much from success. I learned a lot
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: from failure.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? But the most important thing
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: you learn is that you can survive it. You can
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: be okay.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: They can knock you the fuck down. It's like when
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I was a kid where I grew up, I mean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: we used to get in fights all the time. We
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: would fight all the time. Oh, yeah, dude. People used
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: to beat the shit out of me.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: You'd get punched in the face.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: You'd get your ass kicked. And that's not– and he'd
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, he kicked your ass. And you'd go
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: like– and you'd get up and you'd come to school
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: the next day.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: And you know what I mean?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like– Oh, it was a tough day, dude.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: That first day was so tough.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: They're like, damn, Randy kicked your ass. It's worse that
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: you have to hear about it than like just getting
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: hit five times.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you kind of get your bell rung.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, man?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And, but it's the, like, that's kind of going back
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: to that thing about like embarrassment, like kids will suffer
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: more from being humiliated than physically hurt. For example, like
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that's the shit that really is painful. But now I don't,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I don't wish to be clear that on my kid,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like you don't need to be fighting and shit all
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the time, but it is valuable to know that you
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: can fail or have something difficult happen, really painful, or
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: get your heart broken. Have some girl be like, I
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: don't like, you know what I mean? Embarrass you or whatever.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: You're going to be OK. These things are not going
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: to kill you. And in fact, they actually do make
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you stronger if you kind of go like, OK, That was,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: if I didn't have some of the resilience that I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: picked up by, you know, my early life trying to,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I would have just kind of given up
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: or collapsed or had bad shit. I'd be like, Oh,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'd fall down and never get up again.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: You'd have no experience. And you also, it sharpens your intuition.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: You start to, it all learns. It's all it is.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: If you can see yourself as a tool, sometimes it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: definitely harder when you're younger because some of those feelings
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: are new and it hurts so much, you know?
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Getting better at anything really never feels good. Like if
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: you're building resilience, it's not a time that you're liking,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It doesn't feel good. Like,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: so that's what, okay.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I don't like this.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: This feels like shit, but because it's hard because I
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: can't lift these weights anymore because I can't, these other,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm exhausted and the other kids are still,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: you know, running sprints or whatever the, you know, but
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like those are the moments for what it's worth where
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: you're getting better.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: What is, um, what's something that you admire about each
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of your children just so one day they can look
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: back and, and, um, you know, is that uncomfortable?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the thing I really, that I care most about,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: and it's, it is true of all three of my
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: kids is that all of them have like an innate,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: like goodness of character, like a kindness. They don't, they're
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: not trying to go out and, I heard other people, they, they,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: and they have empathy. Like they care about and respect
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: other people doesn't mean, you know, um, that obviously they
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: don't make mistakes or they're perfect or whatever, but that
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: basic thing about them is, is really, really important. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: think it's, it's definitely also credit to their mom who's,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: who's amazing and who's spectacular and it's great. Like, I mean,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: we're divorced, but we, we, I think do pretty good together, uh,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: raising the kids, going back and forth and all that stuff.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: And they're, I mean, they're all, look, I think, you know,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: like any parent, you're going to be like, my kid's
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: so cool.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like something you admire like individually about him
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that's maybe unique.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I think my oldest kid... No, not at all.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Listen, I think truly....
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: There's so much that I don't want, I just don't
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: want to come off. And I know my kids will
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: be like, dad, don't fucking go on there and talk
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: about me.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So I was like, my
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: son's especially is like, dude, he's right now. I was watching.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: It's like, Oh no, no, no. Uh, but here's the truth.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: My, my oldest one has got a beautiful, like commitment
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and sense of like wanting to make the world truly a,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: a better place. And she'll put her money where her
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: mouth is. Like she doesn't want to do something. She's
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: not asking other people to do.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: She makes money. personal sacrifice she has that kind of integrity.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: You know my middle child is really um is this
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: incredible like feels things deeply like artist you know uh
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: kind of is brilliant and so funny and my son
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: has got like this incredible like joy of life and
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: magnetism and sweetness and goodness to him um And like,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: that's the stuff where it's like, whether you can like
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: dunk a basketball or write a great paper, like great.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm not, you know, but like that, that's the
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: shit that to me is more important than like kind
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: of internal character stuff.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: That's cool, dude.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: That's nice, man.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It's nice to hear dads talk about their kids. You know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes you just don't hear it enough. Sometimes,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I agree.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's frustrating. It's so important. It's the most
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: important thing in the world.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: There's not as many male leaders and not as many
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: male teachers as there were. There's not as many.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: There's a space where we're missing a gap of mentorship
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: from male to male because a lot of people... Well,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: some people were pedophiles or whatever, but outside of those people,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: it's like there's not as many.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Let's rule those fuckers out.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Those guys are out.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Well, also, anybody, paparazzi who's driving around taking pictures of kids,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: anybody else would be arrested for taking a photo of
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: a kid in public.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And I think absolutely boys need.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: um and so do girls like you need to see
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: that there's good men you need to understand that good
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: men are accountable and tell the truth they can say
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: they're sorry when they make mistake they're strong you can
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: rely on them they're funny like that they can show
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: you strength and love and and and all this stuff
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that is good and beautiful and what you the people
• 53:28
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• 53:31
  Speaker 2: about masculinity you want to know and see that modeled
• 53:34
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  Speaker 1: Did you have a fun, like, do you have a
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  Speaker 1: memory of your dad that was, like, fun for you?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of one. My dad would, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I was born, right?
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  Speaker 2: He was born in 1910.
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  Speaker 4: Dad was, uh.
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  Speaker 3: Serious guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I wish he had some money, which was crazy. Because
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: usually if a woman's hooking up with an older guy,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: he's got some money.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: He's got some money. What did your dad have going
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: for him? It was not money, dude.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't money?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: It must have been charming. He didn't have a bank. Listen,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: he was very charming. My dad was very, very charming.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: But he would, like, take me to the, like, he would, like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: go sometimes have a beer by, like, this bar at
• 54:23
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• 54:25
  Speaker 1: on the bar. And they had, like, these little bowl
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: of chocolates or whatever. And if the bartender, I remember...
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: If I danced good, she would give me some of
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the chocolates or whatever, and he'd be like, go wiggle
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: for chocolates or whatever.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I just remember, I think.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: You're like when my dad pimped me out. That was
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: a good time.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Well, he was just pimping me for confections. you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: or sugars, you know. It was kind of an outtake
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: from that movie Chocolat, if you've ever seen that. But yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: he would be like, go wiggle for chocolates. And I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: just remember that was one thing that I remember.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Anyway, sorry. I made that about me. It was nice
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: to take that walk down memory lane. Yeah, it's fun.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: There's things I remember about it, like the bowls of
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: peanuts and just like being in a bar like at
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: like 5 p.m.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Because my dad was older. He would go to rest.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: He would rest pretty early. That's funny because I was
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: going to say, oh, I don't have that kind of
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: memories of my dad really. But The truth is like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: you know, after he got out of the house, you know,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: as a kid, he worked at bars. And so that's
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: where I'd go see him, up at the bars. And
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: he was like a bookie and, you know, taking bets
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: on the side. Oh, really?
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. And he was, but that's what
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: he did.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: He was a bartender for that period of life when
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I was kind of, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, whatever.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Did they have a jukebox in there or anything? They
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: had a jukebox, and then he'd be like, oh, go
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: get in the cigarette machine. And I went in the bar,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: and it was cool to visit him in there. Remember
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the cigarette machine? They had that pull-out thing?
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could pull on them.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And by those days, they'd be like, tell you the kid,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: go to the store and get me some cigarettes. You
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: walk in, eight years old, buy cigarettes. I'd say, yeah, exactly.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and also, we were, I mean, my brother
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: had gone to the bar. And those were, there was some,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I do have some kind of fond memories of that.
• 56:01
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  Speaker 2: Is that a weird question?
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Not at all.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I guess, yeah, a little bit, like in
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the sense that he was in Good Will Hunting with
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: me and Matt.
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  Speaker 1: Holy.
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  Speaker 3: And he was brilliant in it.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: And then, um, but you know, like anybody like, and
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Matt's like, who's like, you know, my best friend as
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: a kid and stuff like Matt Damon, you know, you
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: had like, and he got more famous of Good Will
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Hunting and then my brother, you know, so you kind of,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: and you know, people, if you're really like try to
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: map it out, like those sort of how famous are,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: which is kind of a weird and a hard thing
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to tell. It kind of moves around, but my brother
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: was always a working actor and then he became, you know,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: he really established, of course, won the Oscar for acting
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: and kind of established himself as a great actor and
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: had a more steady kind of arc.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: What's the one that did.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: In Pittsburgh, remember, with Michelle?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you're talking about... Yeah. Manchester by the sea. Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: That's what he, what he won the Oscar for. He's
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: amazing in that movie. Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: It was so good. Is it, um, yeah, it is
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: a great actor.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: My brother.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Is it, uh, yeah. Are you guys pretty close? We are,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you know, we're, we're, we're close. We, um, he's got
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: great kids. I love his kids and, uh, he's a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: great guy.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: And, you know, you, you, you know, um, I.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Guess you get through phases in life too, where you're
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: kind of like, people are, you're kind of doing the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: same thing or you're just in different spaces?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what happens when.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: You kind of really like get a little older and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: then we were like, it was up to 30 or whatever.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I was just like hanging out with guys all the time.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? We were going out, we're
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: doing this or whatever and that was kind of.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Life most of it. And so you see all your
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: friends all the time and my brother was one of the,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: you know, we'd all hang out and then you have kids,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: you have family and then it's kind of like okay,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have Friday at five or whatever for seven.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: And then you kind of have to, you lose a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: little bit of that bigger network of like, who are the, like,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I know who 10 of these guys are.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Who are the other six?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: You know, that starts to kind of go away and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: you kind of have to be more selective. But, you know,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: my brother is a brilliant, funny, amazing guy. And his
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: kids are, it's a joy to see his kids grow
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: up and be, you know. Yeah, being an uncle's fun.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's the best.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Because then you don't really, you can kind of just like,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Let them do shit. You know, you don't have to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: be really the dad.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you this.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: So there was, um, I live in Nashville, so I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: moved there about four years ago and there was, so
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the other night there's like tornadoes or something. And I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: didn't know, like, and I live in like, it's a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: nice area, but it's nothing crazy. It's not like rich
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: enough where you're away from tornadoes. You know, you better
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: be pretty, how rich you have to be to get
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: away from tornadoes.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I'm still in the wind district, you know? So there's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: a fricking tornado warning. There's sirens going off over town.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know we had sirens. So I'm texting
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: my nephew. Thank God I called him twice. And then
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: finally I text him. I was like, dude, I was like, bro,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: tornado warning. What do I do? And he's in middle
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: school or whatever. And thank God he's like, get under
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: your desk. That's what he fucking says at 4 a.m.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, I don't have a fucking desk.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: And he goes, don't.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Curse at me over text. And I'm like, this fucking
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: kid does not know how to support a family member.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: It's just like.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: That's what he's meant. That's hilarious.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't even know what I told you that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: story about. Were we talking about weather?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, family members. Oh, yeah. And what it's like to
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: be an uncle.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I get to see my nieces, and they're coming for
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Easter tomorrow, so I'm excited about that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, being an uncle.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Is so much fun. How many nieces and nephews you got?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I got five total. One of them just went to prom,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: so I got to be there when she took pictures.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I was in Baton Rouge for that. Oh, that's great.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: It's fun, yeah. And you kind of get to be
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of the confidant. Like you're kind
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: of like on the edge of dad. Yeah, because they'll
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: tell you stuff that's kind of like, you can't talk
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to your parents about like whatever, you know, something.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: But you can kind of let, you know, the uncle
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: kind of know.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: So you can be kind of on the side a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: little bit, a little cooler, even if you're really not
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: that much cooler. And they're like, don't try to play
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: it off like that. But you kind of get away
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: with it a little bit. And, you know, you got
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: to like– You can't, you can't push it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: But it's like, and you got to know when to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: snitch too on them too. And tell the dad what's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: going on. Did you, um, let me think about a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: movie thing. Oh, did you get to keep your Batman outfit?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: I did. Yeah, I did.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: In fact, it's at our office and it's, um, it's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: one of those things people like, it's like, uh, it's
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: one of those things that sort of like, I don't know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: people like to see it. It kind of reminds me
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit of like planet Hollywood a little bit.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm always like, Oh, I get this bats rubber
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: bat suit here. It's just, but it's like, I don't know.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: It's hard to tell. Like, look, I get it. That's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: a kind of a cool movie souvenir. Sometimes I feel
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: like if you put a grapefruit on like TV every week,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And then you just put
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: it to the mall, people will go by and be like, oh,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: there's that grapefruit from TV.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: So it's sometimes hard to tell whether something's interesting because
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: it's interesting or because, but I can see how that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: is kind of interesting. The most interesting thing about it
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: when people see it is like, damn, how do you
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: wear this?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: And it's true.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: It is like of all the, those type of roles
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: and stuff, like the superhero thing, the outfits make it
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: a lot harder to do your job because you're kind
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: of constrained and they're real hot. It's like, you know,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: when like wrestlers, like when I was a kid, used
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: to run around with like trash bags to lose.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Weight because you just dump all the water. You know
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that's sort of what those outfits do.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: You'd see like some guy that's with his, yeah, you'd
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: see some guy in your neighborhood who's on the wrestling
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: team or whatever.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I know the wrestlers.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Had a wrestling team and then he's running down the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: street like a California raisin. Trying to lose, yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: 15 pounds in 10 minutes. You know what I mean?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Like, He's just.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Spitting on his family members and he's just cursing because
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: they say cursing helps you burn calories or whatever. Yeah,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. But you never put it back
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: on for anything fun or to surprise family members?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I did it for my kid's birthday when he was, yeah,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: my son's birthday. And he was like, he was a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: little young, but it was fun. I got the pictures now.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Now he's like.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I guess that was cool that you did that. At
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: the time, I didn't know what the fuck you were doing.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but it was cool, though. Do I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: get credit for it now? He's like, I guess. He barely,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: but I had fun. And that was the whole reason
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I did it. Like, I'm going to be Batman. My son, like,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: how cool is it your dad's Batman? My son was like, you.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Know, three and shit. And so he was like scared
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: of the movie.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: But, you know, since then, it's like, it's become kind of,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: in retrospect, I think, kind of cool. It's hard to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: tell what your kids think is cool because most of
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: the time, they're kind of like, uh-huh.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really tell you kind of, Because it's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: almost like you're like– yeah, I don't know. I just
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: watched my brother have nephews. Like I want to get
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: a wife and children. I don't have a wife yet.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you all– Look, your parents are never going
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: to be like– because part of the thing is like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: you don't– you can't like– you need to separate from
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: your parents, right? You need to like move away, get
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: out of the house, that whole thing. Like move on,
• 1:05:22
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• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: you're too wrapped up in like your folks and you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: can– you know, it gets in the way of that.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta start to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: slowly separate in those ways that kids do it. So
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: there's part of it where they're like, you know, and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: it comes off like, where I'm like, hey, you guys
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: wanna play some games?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like, close the door. Get out of my room.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Close the door? I'm like, so just leave? You know
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: And then there's that moment, it's the first time you
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: kind of close the door and there's that moment where the.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Dad's just by the door and he's kind of sad
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: that he's in the hall, but then he goes in
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: his room, he takes three steps and he's like, oh good,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I got some free time. But there is that moment.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: It is, yeah, absolutely. And they come back around, you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Do you think, I auditioned for a Project Greenlight movie
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: that you guys had years ago.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one where there was like a guy
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: in a wheelchair and there were like dangerous people were
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: coming in like you were trapped in a bar or something.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Feast, maybe the horror movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just remembered that.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You auditioned for it?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not any good. That's wild.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not a good at it. I think it's a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: bad idea to do that. But anyway, I just remembered that.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: It popped in my head. Do you still have Project Greenlight?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: It's, um, no, it's not, I mean, it's not currently,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: we did it with the company we have them, but we,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: we are not doing it now. And we took it, we,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: we had it on for a while back then and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: then brought it back.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting. I really liked it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting that like, cause it's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: because that's what I do. And I know, okay, that's tricky.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Like it's hard.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: You got all this drama that comes up on a movie,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: but when we had like a million dollars to make
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: the movie and.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Everybody like a million dollars, like that's like nothing.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: And now it's almost setting people up. It would kind
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: of just be like, then you'd just be doing a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: show about people getting into arguments and smashing things and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: having a breakdown because you can't really even.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Do it for a million dollars.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, times have changed. Unions and wages and all that stuff.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: But I really liked that idea of that show.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Because to me, it was about also creating opportunities for
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: people that.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Are outside Hollywood.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Who could come in and be like, look, I know
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: I want to do something.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: And then you got to like, okay, well, let's see
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: what you can do. What, do you think Tom Brady's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: good as an announcer?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Tom's good as an announcer.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: I think he's, look me too dude i think he's
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: really smart obviously about football i think that like it's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: a it's a um people kind of you and you're
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: the like the greatest quarterback who ever lived they think
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: okay now he's gonna come in and change broadcasting for
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: good and and like just being a normal human being
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: seems kind of like i i mean who do you
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: want to listen to analyze something like if i want
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: to like Somebody tell me about a concert. I want
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: to hear from some great musician. If you figure, well,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: nobody's going to have better or wiser analysis than Tom,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: it's maybe not about telling jokes or whatever. That's something different.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think so. But he's a surgeon.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: He seems like a surgeon when he's talking about it
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and the way he breaks down certain moments and how
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: long it takes to do certain things. He's like, well,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: they got about this many yards. They're going to have
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: to move about this many yards a second. He's definitely...
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: You start to see who he really is.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Like how much analysis went into that.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I still think one of his like real, like one
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: of the things that really separated him, because, you know,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: everybody knows about how like, you know, he, you know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: he was like drafted late and all this stuff. Like,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: and there's, you know, his, his like combine numbers weren't like,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: you know, so people weren't just like, this guy's gonna
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: be amazing. I feel like one of the things that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: he has that people didn't really talk about is like,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: and this is so fucking important, is like, I feel
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: like he has this thing where he doesn't get tight.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: He just doesn't get nervous. Like, I think that there
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: is a huge advantage. Imagine like you're in the Super Bowl.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. And it's like, you know, fourth and eight,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: and you got, you know, seven seconds or whatever.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: And you don't get nervous. You win.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: You're good. Everyone else's heart rate is banging. Their adrenaline's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: going down.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's what makes actors good, too. Good actors
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: at certain moments.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Getting relaxed.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: The ability to relax in situations where other people get tense.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Because tension and stress, it locks you up.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: You know, you panic. It's like everything. It's all bad.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrible.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: That's when, yeah, dude, it's definitely, there's moments. The first
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: time I'd ever auditioned, I was like, open the windows,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: open the windows. I'm like, there's not a lot of
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: windows in here. And they're like, they're already open. I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: remember I just kept blacking out. And then I had to, like,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: do some scene that I didn't even care about. What
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: are we doing here? Why are we doing that?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That was not a plan.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, dude. I want to tell you about that.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: You ever see that Dunkin' Donuts commercial? Because I know
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you did a commercial with them.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You ever see the one where they shut down
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: that one? Is it Boi Shabuik?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: The player.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Shumokin'. Duncan's closed by fire.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: He's my favorite dude.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: A coffee shop in Shemokin is closed following an arson
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: over the weekend. Police say a teenager is responsible for
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: all that damage. News Watch 16's Nikki Cries joins us
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: live from the Central Pennsylvania newsroom with more tonight.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Nikki?
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  Speaker 5: Julie, a lot of people in Shemokin are upset that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: Dunkin' Donuts is closed because they didn't have anywhere else
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: to go for coffee and donuts. Today we also learned
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: new information about the teenage girl police charged with setting
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: the place on fire. setting the fire is currently at
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: a juvenile detention center. Many people who live in Shemokin
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: are upset that Dunkin' Donuts is closed. Now I have
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: to rely on myself to go to maybe a Turkey
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: Hill or something where I don't like their donuts.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I rather the donuts at Dunkin' Donuts. And I'm kind
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: of dealing with it, but I really miss Dunkin' Donuts.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: I go there every day.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: I get a chicken bacon croissant or I get some coffee,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Powerade if I'm dehydrated. I sit there all the time.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: If I have any legal work that I need to do,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: I go there.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I meet with my attorneys there.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to miss that place when it doesn't open up.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: A lot of my friends go in there, get the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: cold coffee.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Ice coffee, I guess it's called.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: People miss their local hangout and.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Hope Dunkin' Donuts will exist. Yeah, anyway, that's just it.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: When that one closed down, man, it was just like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: a real, people kind of went bananas on the internet.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Because it turns out, guys, the legal clinic got shut
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: down too. That's smart.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I would sit there with my attorneys. My legal work,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: my probation officer meets me in there. I usually deal
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: out of that place. I'm like, all right.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: You don't know. When a Dunkin' Donuts closes down. You
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: don't realize how many lives intersect in that one place.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: The whole community is paralyzed.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: What's something else that you want to direct, man? Is
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: there something? What about you directing Timothee Chalamet? That'd be
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: so dope.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's a terrific actor, man. He's great.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: And that's really what you kind of like, no matter
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: what you do, a big part of it is, 90%
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: of it is, as they say, is like picking the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: right actors. Because there's really nothing you can do. You're
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: kind of like, okay, now go ahead. And you can
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: get about 10% calibration done But the right people for
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: the right role is so much a part of what
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: goes into directing. It's what I was talking about, like
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: kind of understanding what people sort of think about or
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: assumptions they have about actors that they are going to watch.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of actors that I would love to
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: work with. I'm lucky to have worked with some great
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: ones so far. And I have a movie that I've
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: just finished shooting.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Called animals. That's a movie out on Netflix that I directed.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I got, and I, I may even direct
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: another movie, uh, next year, which is actually pretty quick. Um,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: but it's not all set up yet, but it's something
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: that I really love doing. And I'm, I will do
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: it like, especially like as I got one kid that's, uh,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: you know, in college now and the other two, like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: by the time my son who's, who's 13 goes cause
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: then I plan on kind of just directing all the time,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: but like I said, it takes so much focus and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: energy that one of the regrets I have, even about
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: movies that I really like and I'm proud of, is like,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: what periods of time that I miss with my kids,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: because that just doesn't come.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Back, you know?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: You almost have to plan ahead, like, okay, maybe they're
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: going to be on a semester abroad, or this is going.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: To be going on.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Or like, I do them in LA, you know what
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, so I'm not traveling, so I'm going to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: be home for dinner and come, you know, and just
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: make that a, make that the priority, but it's a
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: part of why I slow down a bunch from directing,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: because it just in order to do it in a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: way that I understood that it required, like it just
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: requires almost total commitment and concentration.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Cause we, yeah, we gotta keep telling good stories cause
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: it's important. That's how people learn things and that's how
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: you remember things and they become part of like, you know, history.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: They really kind of tell history a lot of times. Um, yeah,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: it's definitely interesting about, Oh, you said something about, Oh yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: The shooting in Hollywood has become so tough, huh?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: But it's supposed to, it's supposed to be getting easier. Well,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: you know, it's tricky because one of the things that's
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: happened is that, like, first of all, movies just used
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: to be made here.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, country music was made in Nashville. Like,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: that's how it was.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: And then you had other states and countries that started
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: kind of offering incentives because they felt like, you know,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: if we bring this business here and, like, it stimulates
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: all our other businesses because there's this huge kind of
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: trickle-down effect of, from the restaurants, the dry cleaners, the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: drivers to blah, blah, blah, blah, all this money into
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: the economy. And, you know, LA or California didn't really,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: I think, whatever, I'm not sure what happened, respond or
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: try to compete. They have a small incentive now and they've,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: they've actually broadened it some, and I think they're aware
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: of it, but, but it's, it's tricky. Whereas other states
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: and they're kind of controversial. Some states have, have felt
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: like they worked out for them and they're happy. Georgia
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: has got a huge incentive program. They get all, I mean,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: You know, a Marvel movie shoot down there. I got
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: a place in Georgia and I, you know, that's, I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: filmed in Georgia. In fact, The Count was, we filmed
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: in Georgia and that's why, right? They start offering the incentives,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: obviously been successful for Georgia.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like California has ego about it in some
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: weird way. It's hard to figure out.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not, I don't really know enough about the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: politics of it to know It seems to me like,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's like, well, we've always had it here.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: We don't have to give the incentives. Like that's what's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: pulling people away. But it's like at a certain point
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: you have to. But now everybody's moved and moving away
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: and moving around. And if you can't make a movie without,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: the crew is what's going to make or break your movie.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Now you have 3,000 people flying to like Tibet or
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: whatever to shoot for, you know.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Like the UK, they give out, they do these big reviews.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, all that.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Louisiana did it for a long time. Harry
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Potter movies and all the like, DZ movies, all these,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: this stuff goes and shoots like out of the country movies.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: You know, look, it's obviously selfishly like this is where
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: my kids are.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: So this is where I wanna be.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: But also the best technicians I believe in the world
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: by and large are here and they're really artists too.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: And they're ready to work too. A lot of them,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: they've been waiting. And look, you have these fires and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. It's like- but look, it's hard all
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: over and I get it. I don't begrudge anybody anything.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: I would like to preserve, like, look, it's a big
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: business for this country, right? Like show business. This is
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: something that we make that everybody buys all over the world.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: We buy a lot of shit from other countries, right?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Like this is something that people want to buy from us.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm amazed that I was talking about this with
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: somebody and it may have been, damn, I can't remember.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: My brain's off on the weekend, but we're talking about
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: how California hasn't really done a great job of like,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: kind of museuming some of the– a lot of great
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: parts about– that were in movies and like Sidney Poitier,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: this is where he lived for 20 years or this
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: is the Bad News Bears park where they play.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: The Brady Bunch house.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Right. There's some of it and it's like bits and
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: pieces on the internet, but it doesn't seem as preserved.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Like when you get here, you almost think– I know.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: It would seem like more of a museum in itself,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: the city.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Because at the time, I think people just didn't think
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: about it or somebody's house they went to or whatever
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: it was. But yeah, they haven't really– I mean, you know,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: you can do some of these tours and stuff, but
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like, I think California, I'm not, I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: still feel like, even though I'm a resident now like that,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm from somewhere else, you know.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: From Boston.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: We'll say, yeah, for sure, Massachusetts. California is like, is felt,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: I think in a way like, hey, people come here.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: So we don't need to bring people here, but like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: times are changing. Movie business, like you say, is changing.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: It's theatrical business changing. It's all, you know, the number,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: you're looking at the thing that people, one thing that
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: people watch more than anything else, which is, Fires and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Dunkin' Donuts.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: YouTube. Oh, for sure.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: But Accountant 2 is in. Accountant 2's out.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: In theaters on Friday.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: This Friday? Yes.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Go see it. Go out and see it.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: It's great. The movie's really, really good. Do I take
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: a date? Do I take my cousin?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: Who do I take?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Take your whole family. Everybody you know. Actually, the truth is,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: it is a movie that anybody can see. My kids
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: can see. Real accountants better like it. That's the core.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: If accountants don't like it, we're still fucked. I mean,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Your balance sheet is done.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: You're going to call the movie The Waiter, and waiters
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: don't go.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: You think anyone else is coming? but uh it's yeah
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: man it is a movie that i think honestly like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: works for it you know it's it's smart and it's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: not like oh well only young people like this or
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  Speaker 2: only old people like this it's got everything it's it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to make a movie that i think strikes this
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  Speaker 2: chord and kind of works for a broad audience and
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  Speaker 2: it is better seen in the theater so and uh
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  Speaker 2: it's one that i'm willing to leverage my kind of
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  Speaker 2: personal word and credibility i'm like go see it you
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  Speaker 2: won't regret it it's really good.
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  Speaker 1: You heard that. Ben Affleck, thanks, man. Thanks for coming
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  Speaker 1: in and just sharing and thinking with me and just having.
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  Speaker 3: A good time. Thanks for having me, man. This was cool.
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  Speaker 2: We're excited. I promise that I'll go see it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people will.
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  Speaker 3: I hope so.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, a lot of people listen to your show, so
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it very, very much.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Tell your son I said hello.
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  Speaker 3: I will, dude. That's right there. That's the whole reason
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  Speaker 3: for coming right there. That makes me cool right there.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
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  Speaker 2: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh
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  Speaker 2: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
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  Speaker 2: of mind I found I can feel it in my
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  Speaker 2: bones