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EDP44: Albie Thomas, The Marathon Project, GST Creditors & Media Fallout · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast.
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  We are on episode 44 and I'm joined, as always by Let's Go.
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  Dear Menzies, up the road there. How are you doing Monday
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  evening? Come back doing well, almost set
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  a crazy time of the year but not excited to be chatting with you
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  guys. Yeah, we're just talking offline
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  about your Elf on the Shelf shenanigans, so you're prepped
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  for tomorrow's rendition. I caught me out here, but I may
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  have left it on the counter for hail.
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  So I appreciate it. I appreciate whatever it ends
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  up. I mean, yeah, if the kids, I
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  don't want to spoil the magic of Christmas, but hopefully the
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  kids are old enough when they hear this to know what's
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  happened. Oh, should I?
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  Should I not have said that? No, they don't.
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  Do they not listen? They're not listeners,
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  unfortunately. Pad the stats with three of
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  them, but. Well, it's that time of year and
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  Santa. Well, what do you think about
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  this Owen? Welcome to show how you doing.
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  I'm good. I'm good.
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  Thank you. It's great to be here.
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  So I seen the other day that apparently Father Christmas is a
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  British saying and Santa is like the Americanized version.
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  So what would the pair of you refer to him as Santa?
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  We call him Santa. Yeah, but you call Father
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  Christmas, apparently. No, you just don't.
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  No one does. Just like the front crawl.
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  No one says that. OK, the British listeners,
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  you're gonna have to back me. Get on Father Christmas.
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  Father Christmas. Definitely not Saint Nick.
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  No, that's too formal. But in other news, seen some
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  something sad online today. Apparently a former world record
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  holder, Australian bloke Kerry O'Brien passed away as a 78 year
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  old. He was active athlete in the 60s
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  and the 70s and funnily enough, on the back of having Evan
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  Yeager on last week, he was a 3000 meter steeplechase athlete.
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  So his world record at the time back in 1970 was 822 and that
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  was an Australian record for 23 years.
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  So sad. Sad to hear about that.
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  I did see that there was a write up.
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  I think World Athletics kind of like done a bit of a tribute to
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  him and stuff. And at the bottom it said like
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  with thanks to Len Johnson, I think he's like one of the the
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  old dogs in the sport and he knows everything about everyone,
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  doesn't he? So yeah, he's got the stats.
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  I did see that on the shy notes and did a bit of Googling some
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  ridiculous times of that, particularly of that what are we
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  talking 50 odd years ago. Apparently, unfortunately
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  enough, another similarity to Evan Jaeger in maybe it was like
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  the 68 Olympics? I can't remember, but if you're
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  interested you can check the World Athletics article.
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  He was leading and he fell on the penultimate lap and then his
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  teammate went on to win gold. It may not have been the
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  Olympics, but it was something for a medal.
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  Anyway, what have we got this week?
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  We have, unfortunately, I've got the ashes down here just for
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  some small talk because I didn't want Dean to beat me to it and
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  Owens put himself on mute, but I can see that he's shouting
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  already, so stay on mute just. Wait for everyone to log off
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  here now the ashes. Fucking hell, what have we come
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  to? Cycling in at this chat, They're
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  the two most popular segments. This podcast started so well.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  We can. Did you?
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  TuneIn Well, we can just mention that Aussies 13 nil for oh,
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  there's two Tests left which which is it's a classic
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  Australian tradition, like the day after Christmas, there's the
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  next Test and everyone tucks into Christmas leftovers and
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  watches the cricket. So I'll be looking forward to
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  that. But it's more of just a victory
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  lap for Australia now. Yeah, all the English should
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  them just get themselves on the plane home for Christmas.
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  There's a lot here. Did you notice that?
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  See the the. Yeah, the Army.
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  Army. Army, yeah.
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  Which that was it. Saturday or Sunday, when it
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  seems to be a common theme that at some point throughout each
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  Test series, they're like, they're half in the game.
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  Like they're never in control, but there's like a chance at
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  some point, an optimistic chance.
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  And then the the balmy army got quite up and about and then
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  within like half an hour the game's over and it's like, Oh my
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  God. Yeah, that was it.
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  There's a lot of excited English people momentarily, so that was
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  good. Yeah, it went to lunch or dinner
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  and it was like they needed to chase down 126 and they had like
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  3 or 4 wickets in hand. And Bumble was on the commentary
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  like talking about them being like one of the greatest chasing
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  teams in history and blah blah. Went for a bike ride 60 minutes
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  and when it came back the the little Ashes and was being
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  presented. Anyway, moving on, moving on
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  some point during the week, this week we're going to distribute
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  the we're still trying to settle our name, the end of year awards
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  from easy double could be the class of 2025 could be easy
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  double wrapped. But yeah, we're we're still
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  trying to figure it out. And we're going to stay very on
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  theme with the easy double podcast.
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  So you, the listeners are going to decide who is the King
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  YouTube of 2025. We're going to have Australian
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  Athlete of the Year, Irish Athlete of the Year and British
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  Athlete of the Year in honour of all three of the hosts.
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  And what else did they have in there?
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  Oh, because we cover like the global scene so much.
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  There's top male overall international athlete and top
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  female international athlete. And we did get some feedback
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  last time about having some PBS and stuff on there for guidance.
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  So I haven't done it for the Australian, British and Irish,
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  but for the international ones there is a little reminder as to
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  maybe why they've been nominated there.
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  So please get involved with that.
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  That'll be very fun. And yeah, you, the listeners
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  decide. And then we can we can talk
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  about the votes that come in next week and maybe we'll throw
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  our hat in the ring as well. Is it?
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  Is it best year or best performance or?
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  What do you how do you think we score it?
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  Just like overall athletes of the year, Like say if someone's
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  won a marathon and someone else has ran a world record, you have
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  to decide yourself whether you think winning the marathon or
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  running a world record is more impressive.
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  So everyone has the journalistic power this week to be scoring
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  these votes. What's happened this week then
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  in the running world specifically, we've had a meet
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  over in New South Wales called the Albie Thomas Mile and
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  there's also a 5K on there. There was a interesting marathon
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  called the Marathon Project. I don't know if you heard too
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  much about that, but we'll get into it.
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  I had the commentators cast the famous last words saying we're
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  not going to speak about Grand Slam track anymore.
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  And then the day we released last week's episode, there was
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  some further news coming out, which I'm going to take back
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  exactly what I said and we are going to speak about it because
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  this was quite interesting. And Team GB and Team Ireland
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  have announced their teams for the world cross country upcoming
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  in January, right? Then I'll be Thomas Miles.
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  So there was actually a few front runner guys over here at
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  this event. I think they were competing in
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  maybe like the B mile and maybe 1 of the 8 hundreds as well
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  because I think RAF took them up to Perisher during the week last
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  week for a short altitude stint, which is pretty cool.
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  And then yes, so there was the Australian Mile Championships
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  going on. So Jayla Hancock Cameron, who's
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  been pretty frequent on the women's domestic scene over the
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  past couple of years, she won in 437 from Zoe Melkwich in 438 and
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  Georgia Wincup in 439. The men's was won by Alexander
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  Stith, who also won the 3000 metres at Zasipek the week
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  prior. So back-to-back wins they're
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  leading into Christmas for Alexander very nice little
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  spell. He won in four O 259 from Lucas
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  cheers four O 374 Lucas cheers was also second at Zatarpec so
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  unfortunate back-to-back seconds for the young man there and
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  Matthew Scarb was third in four O 4.
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  Now the mile is usually the main event here, but given the Cam
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  Myers announced he was going for an Australian under 25,000 meter
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  record, I don't know if the 5000 meters turned into more of the
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  main events because credit where credit's due to those fields and
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  those athletes in those fields. But you wouldn't be too harsh in
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  saying that maybe those fields lacked a little bit of depth for
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  a domestic championship race. And when you look at the 5000
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  meters, Cam Myers, so we had 1325 to chase down, which is a
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  record back from is it 26 year old record?
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  I think a guy called Mizan Mahari.
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  And you might look at that name and think that bloke doesn't
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  sound Australian, which you you might be right to think because
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  he was Ethiopian born but trained and lived a lot of his
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  career in Australia. So yeah, he ran 1325 back in the
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  day and Cam Myers, he came up a little short.
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  He ran 1332. But then when you see second
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  place was Carl Davis 1346, so a considerable margin back and
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  Luke Hints was third in 1416. Yeah, I will actually seen the
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  last. I found someone put up a link to
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  the stream and actually like just fast forwarded it to the 5K
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  and yeah, come by, it's just like solo running this.
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  And apparently it was pretty humid, so like it wasn't the
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  best conditions. So to run like a 1330 solo,
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  yeah, it would have been pretty good.
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  But I think he was just trying to get all the records, wasn't
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  he? He's trying to get all the under
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  20 records before he's not eligible anymore.
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  Yeah, so I have to Google his birthday.
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  So I was like trying to do the math and it's not till next
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  June. But with how the like kind of
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  calendar year works in athletics, once he's into his
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  20th birth year, he's no longer classed as an under 20.
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  So if he had the done it, he literally would have done it
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  with like what, 8 or 9 days to spare?
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  So we have to give it a shot, I guess.
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  And do you know that young New Zealand lad?
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  What's his name? Oh, Sam.
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  Ruth. Yeah, he done this school
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  competition apparently or something, and he done the 815
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  hundred double and he got like the under 161780 or was it under
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  17/18/19 and 20 New Zealand records something crazy like on
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  back-to-back days. Did he do the 5K?
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  There's a 5K in New Zealand recently as well, wasn't there?
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  And I think Hayden Wilde might have done it.
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  Is that? As well.
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  It's like fourth, I think the thing you're saying is a bit out
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  of shape, but because it it's their offseason, but basically
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  didn't run an extra lap this time.
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  I think I've seen that Sam Ruth's name next to a 1340 and
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  he's like, if Kam Myers is under 20, he's under 17 or something.
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  He's got a few years on him. So scary.
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  He did come away with the consolation of a new PB though.
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  So was PB going into it was 1349?
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  Although I'm not sure that'll be much of A silver lining for him
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  because we all know, and he probably knows himself, he's in
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  far better shape than a 1330 given the the temperature and
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  the solo run. It's a tough ask, but wasn't AB.
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  He's got all the other records, so I'm sure, I'm sure he'll wake
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  up feeling pretty OK once he gets over it.
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  The next events, the marathon project, they don't know how
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  much of this you've seen, but sometimes you know, when people
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  say, oh, I've seen it on, I can't remember where I've seen
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  it, but they're like deliberately, they don't want to
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  give credit to the thing where they've seen it.
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  I can't remember where I had the interview, but I had the race
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  director of this race talking about it.
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  And it's pretty cool because he started it in COVID, you know,
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  when all the races were getting cancelled and stuff.
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  And he set it up to try and help as many people as he could, hit
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  an Olympic trial standard. And then the race fell away
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  after COVID because all the other established races came
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  back and he didn't maybe think there was a place for it
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  permanently. But he's brought it back this
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  year because he was saying it's an American based race, It's in
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  Arizona. And he's saying, I think what
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  America does really well is we have the marathon majors,
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  Boston, Chicago, New York. But besides those massive
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  marathons, the next step down, it isn't really there like he
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  referenced. I think there's like Grandma's
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  and CIM and a couple of others. But he was saying in terms of
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  like paying particular attention to the elites and those who want
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  to run fast, we think there's a bit of a gap in the market.
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  So the way they've set it up, there's two races.
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  There's a professional race, which is capped at 100 men, 100
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  women. And there's what's called a gold
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  wave race, which is capped at 500 men and 500 women.
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  And it's all driven at being like high performance.
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  So they offer bottles for everyone.
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  There's an indoor warm up area. There's pace groups I think in
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  the like the gold wave, which is more of the open race every 5
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  minutes. And I think in the professional
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  race there was pace groups like every two minutes, even like
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  Rory Linklasser was doing a pace job for some of them.
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  And they end up getting a decent isn't by Noah by no means and a
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  major elite line up, but they had Paul Chilimo.
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  He's like two time Olympic medalist.
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  They had a guy, a German guy called Johannes Muchman.
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  He's run like 210 to 11. And so they had a decent turn
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  out and the winner was a guy called JP Flavin.
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  Apparently he ran them down to run two O 918.
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  And then to be fair, the other names don't mean all that much
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  to me, but I just thought it was a cool concept and worth talking
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  about. The the woman's women's winner
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  was Prashar Shirono in 22517. But they they charge $500 as an
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  entry fee, which is U.S. dollars.
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  Extremely extortionate. But the way that they justify it
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  is the pitching it as though it's like it's tailored for you
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  to perform like ridiculously well.
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  The small caps on the field, the same that comes into the pricing
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  because obviously lots of these, these big races, they just want
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  to sell as many tickets as they can and generate as much revenue
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  as they can. Whereby these are having more of
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  a focused look on it and they give you a goodie bag.
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  I think they said there's a pair of Hoka Cialos or something in
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  the goodie bag and everything. Yeah, I don't know how I'd feel
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  about £500 for a race now. Fair enough.
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  The shoes are probably worth. Was it 200 high 200 three,
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  $100.00. So yeah, I suppose you do get
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  your bottles. There's only, I think there was
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  only like 200 in the race. Was there 200?
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  Like there's deletes and then there's 200 people on top of
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  that. So it would be a pretty cool
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  experience. And it's a.
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  It's a looped course, is it? Yeah, apparently 6 point a 5K
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  loop. So yeah, sometimes when you're
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  worried about groups and stuff, you might fall off your group,
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  but you're always going to have people either coming past you or
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  you're going back past them. Would drive you a bit insane
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  though. Have you ever done like a looped
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  marathon, Dean? No, I was meant to pay some mate
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  with Bibra Lake Marathon which is a home certified race. 45.
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  Minutes South of Perth, maybe not even a half an hour around
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  the adventure World, that sort of area.
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  And that's a similar distant loop around the lake that's
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  pretty flat and fast, but on footpath.
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  But I've run around there. But no, that's as close as I've
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  got. That wouldn't be easy.
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  I've done, you know, Ballarat's 2 laps, 2 laps.
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  Very different to, you know. 66 the the first one I remember
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  watching. This.
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  Oh wow. You watched this during COVID
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  though? The first one.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think it was a bit of a funny time, like US Olympic
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  trials happened and talking about a similar race.
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  So like Bewa, which I ran start of 2020, you had drink bottles,
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  it was elite. Only men's race have captured
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  about 300 people and you had strict qualifying standards for
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  us non Japanese. We got to stay at a race hotel
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  free of charge. No, no payment for entry, had
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  access to bottles. It was a pretty handy race.
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  And I think, I don't know if it was broadcast rights that helped
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  keep it alive and just the long history of the race, but it was
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  a very good race to do. And yeah, certainly didn't have
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  to shell out the same amount of costs.
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  You'd pay more than that just in airfares, though.
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  But yeah, I don't know. The opportunity to run a flat
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  and fast race would be appealing.
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  But yeah, I remember watching this race around 2020, which US
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  trials happened a week after that, like BY race, and so the
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  American team was set. But then I think this race still
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  went on, which was helping people qualify for Olympic
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  standards, but it was all a bit messy, I thought.
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  So like Sarah Hall was running quicker than everyone, but I
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  don't know if she could necessarily get onto the Olympic
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  team or can't remember. But I just remember her running
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  really fast at this. And I think she ran really fast
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  at London as well around that year.
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  But I remember tuning in, watching the race and watching
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  her run really well. At B1, did you do all those
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  services justice? How did you run?
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  Yeah, I think I ran like 2/19/57 or something.
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  I stuck under 220 by 3 seconds. Oh, was that the?
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  First time on there and then B water.
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  Is it attending to Fukuoka? Got absorbed by that or
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  something? No.
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  Similar, it's a FOCA worker happens in December, same day as
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  Valencia. This one happens in February,
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  but this this got absorbed by Osaka.
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  So this the Osaka race the the they expanded to men and women
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  and the the top. However, many get to participate
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  at the the front of the mass participation race.
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  So you still get access to bottles and all that sort of
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  stuff if you make the selection time.
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  Yeah. OK, cool.
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  Thank you. Well, that's the short round of
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  results for this week news items, though there are a few on
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  here and this one has kept me entertained all week.
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  So going back to the point where I said I wouldn't be speaking
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  about grand sum track, here I am.
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  So on the Monday, I think it was after we recorded last week
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  where we've mentioned that they filed for bankruptcy and they've
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  kind of stated how many assets they had, what the liquidities
• 20:52
  were and how many creditors they had.
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  There was then an article which came out listing the top 20
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  creditors, which is very insightful if you're as bothered
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  or as much of A nerd as I am. So what's interesting about it
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  is I think the top three on there, they're all like kind of
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  to do with broadcasting and production firms, Momentum, CHP,
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  Partnership, PMY. So one of them is like a British
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  broadcaster and the other one's an American broadcaster and
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  they're owed over 4, almost four and a quarter, $1,000,000
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  between them. The Xenographics company who's
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  owed $700,000 there they kind of put graphics on the screen
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  whilst the broadcast going on, you know, with stats and stuff.
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  And I guess the real interesting part is the list then goes on to
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  talk about the the athletes who earn money.
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  So you've got Sidney McLaughlin, Levrone who's owed $356,000,
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  Gabby Thomas $250,000, Kenny Bednarek $225,000, Josh Kerr
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  $218,000, and the list goes on. And what's interesting about the
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  athletes money being mentioned here is I don't know if it's as
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  interesting to you guys as it is to me, but I'm always like
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  knowing like kind of what goes on beyond these contracts and
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  like the actual insurance and outs really like kind of
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  interests me. So to see it all out on paper,
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  because you can reverse engineer basically how much these
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  athletes are actually getting paid for an appearance fee.
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  Because we know what they aren't in prize money because Grand
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  Slam track was so vocal in 100 gram per first, 50g per second.
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  And we also know that they've been paid half of what they're
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  owed. So the guys that let's run have
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  put together a table basically showing total money of what some
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  of these athletes are owed. So the top one, for example,
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  Sidney McLaughlin and Roney, because she's owed $356,000,
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  she's owed half of their prize money, which is $125,000.
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  She's owed half of their appearance fee.
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  Yes, of the some of the top athletes, the guys who signed
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  early, So McLaughlin, the Roan ABN one, Josh Kerr, I think he
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  was second. As it plays out, they got
• 23:23
  massive appearance fees just to turn up.
• 23:27
  They didn't even have to earn any of this prize money.
• 23:30
  So hers was 50% of that appearance fee, $231,000, which
• 23:37
  is bloody crazy. Josh Cares 50% of his appearance
• 23:40
  fee was $143,000. And yeah, it's when you kind of
• 23:47
  see the sums that start coming from, well, this is just two or
• 23:52
  three athletes. And then how many did they sign?
• 23:54
  Like multiple, multiple athletes?
• 23:57
  You can start to see based on what the Diamond League pay like
• 24:01
  30 grand for a win or 25 grand for a win or something.
• 24:04
  They probably pay a small appearance fee, maybe pay for
• 24:08
  the flights to get there or something.
• 24:09
  And then MJ and Grand Slam have thought they could just steam
• 24:14
  roll in and like 10 times that. And who was it out the letter
• 24:20
  and spoke to? I don't know if you had the
• 24:21
  interview with Jared and the Goose the other day and they
• 24:23
  were asking him about like, how was your treatment?
• 24:26
  Because they were kind of very out there in terms of saying or
• 24:30
  we're going to treat you like celebrities and like movie stars
• 24:33
  type thing, like you deserve to be, which is fair enough.
• 24:36
  Did you get put on 1st class flights and where the hotels
• 24:40
  these really swanky things? And he was like, yeah, I mean,
• 24:44
  we flew into, we flew domestically on like a short
• 24:48
  flight. So being in business first class
• 24:52
  didn't really make any difference in terms of his
• 24:54
  comfort because it was a short flight.
• 24:57
  But it's probably 345 times the cost of a normal economy ticket,
• 25:02
  and they were putting them all in there.
• 25:06
  So, I mean, hindsight is is wonderful, isn't it?
• 25:08
  And you can kind of look at it now and think, how stupid were
• 25:12
  they? But yeah, what do you think
• 25:15
  about all that? I get I can see the vision of
• 25:18
  what he was trying to do but he sort of skipped the first like 3
• 25:24
  years of this plan. Like he just jumped straight to
• 25:26
  year 4 and like there was no like working up to that point.
• 25:31
  He just went all in. And when you're looking at the
• 25:34
  numbers here, you're like, how did he think this was ever going
• 25:38
  to work? Even some of the production
• 25:41
  companies, like I'm not really sure how much like they'd
• 25:44
  normally get both. What they're getting is
• 25:46
  absolutely outrageous. Like even even Sidious Mag, like
• 25:50
  what did they get? They got like nearly 300 grand,
• 25:54
  272 grand. Umm, yeah.
• 25:58
  I like, I don't know how they came up with that number for
• 26:03
  like I'll see this mag would do was like publicize what was
• 26:06
  happening like all this. So how do they make 272,000?
• 26:10
  Like how do they come up with that number for it?
• 26:12
  And I just, I really, really don't get it.
• 26:16
  Yeah. So Chris Char, Yeah.
• 26:20
  Hard to say them getting their value for the top 272 grand and
• 26:25
  same with the was it just over $3,000,000 for a broadcast
• 26:29
  partnership the broadcast production like $3,000,000 for
• 26:33
  broadcast rights. How did they get close to making
• 26:36
  that money back in in views and I I don't know, I don't know how
• 26:41
  you make money from that, but. Well, that's about 3 million for
• 26:46
  the broadcast, right? Remember the first one in in
• 26:49
  Kingston? They literally had the drone
• 26:51
  flying round the round the track and that was basically the
• 26:54
  broadcast. He's calling 750K to fly a
• 26:59
  drone. I mean, that can't be there must
• 27:05
  be domestic, a domestic view or like a pay-per-view or something
• 27:09
  that was offered that was not taken up.
• 27:11
  I don't know because. You remember, like Mitch Dyer
• 27:16
  and like straight at it, They like live streamed onto their
• 27:19
  YouTube or something and there was no commentary.
• 27:21
  So he was having to talk over the visual that he'd been given
• 27:25
  access to, to like, produce some sort of commentary.
• 27:32
  But I thought there's some sort of paywall that like we just
• 27:34
  couldn't say the regular punter. I don't think so, but I mean,
• 27:39
  yeah, I don't know the the exacts.
• 27:42
  I'm just we can just talk about the money though and hypothesize
• 27:45
  over like what agreement was or wasn't in place.
• 27:49
  But the interesting thing about that Chris Chavez and Citius 1
• 27:52
  is so the amount that's listed there is facetious mag and Chris
• 27:57
  Chavez, who's like part owner has said, because he was on the
• 28:01
  broadcast for I think Miami and Philadelphia.
• 28:05
  Like he was there on the ground doing like the the pre show and
• 28:09
  the post show, you know, given like the facts and some analysis
• 28:12
  and stuff. And he said all of his work
• 28:15
  relating to that is entirely separate.
• 28:18
  So this 200 and was paid separately as well.
• 28:21
  So this 273 K facetious was solely for like promo and social
• 28:29
  media stuff. And then that's where these
• 28:33
  Let's Run boys have got a bit carried away because I don't
• 28:36
  know if the it's like a rivalry or whatever, but obviously they
• 28:41
  they work in the same space and they compete for the same
• 28:45
  listeners and or readers. I mean, I always think the more
• 28:49
  the merrier. Like if someone's a fan of
• 28:50
  running and they are engaged with Let's Run, they probably
• 28:54
  engaged with Sisius as well. But the way that this is played
• 28:58
  out, they've kind of like jumped right on it.
• 29:01
  And I mean, it's fair enough because apparently there's,
• 29:04
  there's these rulings and regulations in the US which
• 29:07
  state that if you have any sort of financial relationship, you
• 29:13
  have to disclose that the promo or the sponsorship or the
• 29:17
  marketing that you're putting out there is a paid
• 29:20
  relationship. And that's where they've really
• 29:23
  taken an issue with all the stuff that City has done around
• 29:26
  it. Because now it's come out that
• 29:28
  they were paid or supposed to be paid 273 grand for it.
• 29:33
  But had this bankruptcy have not happened, no one would have
• 29:36
  known that. No one would have known that
• 29:38
  they actually received any money for it.
• 29:41
  And I think The thing is them receiving money isn't the issue.
• 29:44
  It's more so the impact it has on the reader or the listener,
• 29:49
  the consumer, whatever you want to call it.
• 29:51
  Because when you're like digesting this material from
• 29:54
  Citius or whoever it may be, if you know that they've been paid
• 29:59
  to put that there, you may look at it slightly differently and
• 30:02
  kind of have a bit of critical thinking about it yourself.
• 30:06
  Because you know, it's been pushed in frontier.
• 30:08
  You know, there's a bit of an agenda behind that.
• 30:11
  Whereas if you know that that's entirely just integral neutral
• 30:16
  article that's been put out there, you can take you can
• 30:18
  truly take it at face value. And I think that's where these
• 30:22
  guys have taken a bit of an issue because they're, they're
• 30:26
  saying, well, we spent our own money to travel to these meets
• 30:30
  to produce our own articles and our own write UPS entirely off
• 30:36
  our own backs. And then Citius is they're just
• 30:39
  getting paid the fortune to do the same and no one knew about
• 30:43
  it basically. I.
• 30:46
  But like, they're a news outlet, so they report on the news.
• 30:50
  So like, I, I know it's wrong they're getting loads of money,
• 30:54
  but like, it's sort of their job as well, no?
• 30:59
  Yes. So that's where the lines
• 31:01
  blurred. So that's what letter on a
• 31:02
  saying that they do like impartially reports in a
• 31:08
  traditional journalistic manner, whereas now they're saying that
• 31:12
  City has positioned itself as though they are the same,
• 31:16
  whereas it's essentially just content creating influencer type
• 31:20
  work. Yeah, yeah, I get you.
• 31:24
  Are they saying they would have turned it down if they were
• 31:26
  offered to? Yeah, that's, that's what you
• 31:29
  you have to think. I mean, Jonathan Gaul supposedly
• 31:32
  won't take absolutely anything, but I'm sure the Brojos would
• 31:37
  have been all over it. I'm reading about where you
• 31:41
  could watch. Like Grand.
• 31:43
  Slam and I think that we're broadcasting in 189 countries.
• 31:47
  Australia, I can't see Australia or Ireland at this point, but
• 31:51
  there was on like Eurosport, NBC slash Peacock in the US, all
• 31:58
  these different streaming services, Sky Sport, RA RA RA.
• 32:01
  So they must have had some sort of affiliations for a proper
• 32:04
  service. Like what we were watching was
• 32:07
  was trash. If that was 3,000,000, three
• 32:10
  million. Dollars out there, I know we're
• 32:16
  we're nothing in terms of city. It's all that to run.
• 32:18
  But it made me think where, where do we sit in terms of this
• 32:21
  whole like, well, they're just disagreeing on their stance
• 32:28
  because we're not influences or now.
• 32:32
  I mean, just as an and now easy double.
• 32:37
  We need to be careful what we do and what we say by the looks of
• 32:39
  things like if we're. A startup, right?
• 32:42
  And a company comes to us and offers us a lot of money to like
• 32:46
  to publish this event that they've hyped up.
• 32:49
  That's going to be unbelievable. Like because it was the first
• 32:52
  round of it. Like you really didn't like if
• 32:55
  it didn't collapse, like people wouldn't know that.
• 32:57
  People wouldn't realize. Like it's only 'cause it failed
• 33:01
  that we know this. Yeah.
• 33:04
  Yeah, and I. Don't know.
• 33:06
  Someone. Covering it and and someone
• 33:09
  connected to running getting paid you know an amount of money
• 33:12
  to cover sport like. I I see.
• 33:15
  It get directionally as a good thing whether or not you want to
• 33:19
  introduce more transparency and integrity in time as things
• 33:23
  emerge. That's probably a good thing to
• 33:24
  encourage that with major industries.
• 33:26
  So, but I wouldn't be like getting, I wouldn't be getting
• 33:31
  on my high, high horse about what CDs did.
• 33:34
  Personally, well, you know, oh, forgotten what I was going to
• 33:42
  say there the that was all my kind of synopsis and analysis of
• 33:47
  the situation. But then Robert Johnson, who's
• 33:51
  kind of like the outspoken 1 Owen is our version of Robert
• 33:55
  Johnson for anyone who listens to let's run an easy double.
• 33:59
  So someone said that being said, I'm curious how you want Citius
• 34:04
  to cover track and field. So this might kind of shed a bit
• 34:07
  of light properly on it because Robert Johnson has responded and
• 34:10
  he's obviously clearly given a lot of thought to what he said
• 34:15
  here. So I'll read it out.
• 34:16
  So he says very simply, ethically, I just listened to
• 34:20
  their podcast because that's the other things.
• 34:22
  Let's run then done their own podcasts, like kind of jumping
• 34:25
  down the throat and they were quite salty for the 1st 10
• 34:30
  minutes. Like we, we do we have to
• 34:33
  disclose everything that like we're paid to say and oh, have
• 34:37
  you been paid to say that? Well done and all this.
• 34:41
  But so he says. I just listened to their podcast
• 34:43
  where they spent much of the opening 30 minutes talking about
• 34:45
  the bankruptcy and their death. It was embarrassing.
• 34:48
  They still don't get it. I think I'm going to have to
• 34:51
  write a column. I've always liked Kyle and Chris
• 34:53
  as people, but they've made a mistake here and won't apologize
• 34:57
  it, apologize for it or miss it. What's scary is they seemingly
• 35:01
  don't understand why so many people are outraged on the
• 35:04
  podcast there you seem to be that in 2023 they made it clear
• 35:08
  that they weren't big Jay journalists, which I think means
• 35:11
  like traditional journalists. They were little Jay.
• 35:14
  So that just means they aren't doing it.
• 35:16
  Invest investigative reporting. They're trying to make stars and
• 35:20
  the sport more popular and a sort of like PR hype men, social
• 35:24
  media influences as if that's to get out of jail card.
• 35:28
  So what lines are blurred all the time in the year 2025?
• 35:33
  All the time I say, I'm not a journalist, sorry.
• 35:36
  All the time I say sometimes I'm a journalist, sometimes I'm a
• 35:40
  fan. None of that matters.
• 35:42
  Even if you are an influencer or a simply a celebrity, there are
• 35:46
  still ethical guidelines and requirements.
• 35:49
  If you're getting paid to do something, you must disclose it.
• 35:53
  End of story. And that's a guess.
• 35:56
  Kind of like the big issue. No one knew that they were paid
• 35:59
  to do this. So, you know, like on Instagram
• 36:01
  posts and now celebrities or influencers, they'll always put
• 36:05
  like hashtag, add, I guess that's the the statement.
• 36:10
  Yeah, no caveat and well. The the I guess this where the
• 36:16
  conspiracy theory comes out of it because Kyle Mehrber, who is
• 36:20
  a part owner of Sisius Mag was the like chief athlete relations
• 36:26
  or whatever for Grand Slam. He was like Michael Johnson's
• 36:29
  little sidekick over there. So at this stage, no one knows
• 36:34
  if, well, I mean, clearly there's a conflict of interest,
• 36:37
  but apparently he wasn't involved in the deal between
• 36:40
  Sidious and Grand Slam. Find that.
• 36:45
  Hard to believe. Yeah, Bullshit.
• 36:48
  Yeah, because he was. Promoting it through all forms,
• 36:53
  wasn't he? So that that sounds like a true
• 36:57
  conflict of interest. It sounds like they probably got
• 36:59
  paid overs for what they did and but I think that's separate to
• 37:02
  the fact that they didn't disclose it, did he?
• 37:05
  Even come on like coffee cup podcasts and start talking about
• 37:08
  it. Like like, of course you
• 37:10
  compete. Yeah.
• 37:12
  Clown. Yeah, see, I remember.
• 37:16
  At the time, to be fair, I actually don't when you think
• 37:22
  about it, I don't know if the figure is actually all that
• 37:25
  extortionate. So if you think there's four
• 37:27
  meets throughout the season straightaway divided by 4.
• 37:31
  So it's what's that, I don't know, 70K or something pair
• 37:36
  Meath and then if he's got 345 people there or whatever and
• 37:40
  they're doing a couple of days work and I don't know, you know
• 37:43
  how these like commercial financial deals, they just kind
• 37:47
  of like skyrocket really quickly.
• 37:48
  But when you see the, the one figure on a page like that, it
• 37:52
  looks very extortionate. It's more so about the, the
• 37:56
  disclosure elements. But I remember thinking at the
• 37:59
  time, because now I feel like an idiot because I genuinely, I was
• 38:04
  thinking to myself, well, did you know that it was paid work
• 38:09
  that they were putting out there?
• 38:11
  And I remember seeing Siciest like kind of like going to town
• 38:14
  on it, hyping it, doing the preview, blah, blah.
• 38:17
  And I just, well, obviously you don't consume things and think,
• 38:22
  I wonder if they were paid for that.
• 38:23
  But I do remember when Kingston was like so painfully shit
• 38:28
  thinking, why hasn't he like referenced any of the negatives
• 38:33
  about that meat? But in the lead up to it, he was
• 38:37
  all over it. And then the fact that he was
• 38:40
  like a paid height man kind of explains it.
• 38:44
  But yeah, hopefully he takes something from that and we'll
• 38:48
  see how it unfolds from here. So you're in, there's a Let's
• 38:54
  run thread in the show nights that's that's getting into the
• 38:57
  weeds. Just in case she wants to follow
• 39:00
  it all. And the coffee club podcasts had
• 39:05
  a chat on as well on their podcast and them like Morgan
• 39:09
  McDonald was like. Like.
• 39:12
  They had such a like a short term focus like the Olympics is
• 39:15
  in like 3 years. If they just like slowly built
• 39:20
  it up, built it up, built it up, the Olympics would have been the
• 39:22
  best marketing for them like ever.
• 39:24
  And so they'd like such a short term focus, like, whereas if
• 39:28
  they put it longer term, like it could have worked.
• 39:31
  Umm, like the money them athletes for getting is freaking
• 39:35
  crazy. Like Josh Kerr getting over
• 39:38
  200,000. Like I, I'd love to know what
• 39:41
  his Brooks deal is to like sort of compare or what these guys
• 39:46
  are normally on because now we just have just like outrageous
• 39:49
  figure and we're like, So what are they like normally getting
• 39:52
  for appearance fees or further contracts?
• 39:54
  It's it's interesting. Yeah, I think the the contracts
• 39:58
  always come with those Ndas. Don't they like those?
• 40:02
  That's why I find it so interesting because you just,
• 40:04
  you never see any of those details besides prize money that
• 40:08
  they might earn in a race. And then your theory is that's
• 40:11
  just a fraction of what they earn really.
• 40:15
  But it's hard to look at this also negatively because
• 40:18
  ultimately you do want more money to be going to athletes
• 40:21
  and. Running to.
• 40:23
  Becoming a richer sport all round, but this just seems like
• 40:27
  it was a bit of a shitter from Gecko Bloody Plant.
• 40:32
  Pots. Bloody plant pots, a lot of
• 40:34
  them. Mainly MJ did the last last part
• 40:41
  on it. There was an interview which
• 40:44
  Jonathan Gaul spoke to MJ ahead of Kingston, I think ahead of
• 40:49
  the first meet. And he says to him, like, how do
• 40:52
  you plan on actually making money from this?
• 40:54
  And like to look at it now with hindsight.
• 40:58
  He just, he comes out of it so well, Jonathan Gaul, because
• 41:02
  he's doing that critical thinking from the get go.
• 41:05
  He didn't know it was going to fail.
• 41:07
  But you can see all these big numbers floating around and.
• 41:11
  MJ. Proper bites and he's like, I
• 41:14
  will not explain to you anymore how I'm going to make money out
• 41:17
  of this. I'd say Janka Bingo Brixton is
• 41:22
  laughing as well because he's like, oh, I'll see how the first
• 41:24
  year will go and then he might join it.
• 41:26
  That's right. May all the field athletes as
• 41:29
  well, because they were ostracized, weren't they?
• 41:33
  Yeah, they were shafted. Now they'd be very smoke dying
• 41:41
  breed though the. Let's run skies.
• 41:45
  But then there's plenty going on in that thread.
• 41:51
  I just made their integrity. They're they they true fans of
• 41:55
  the sport, True journalistic fans?
• 42:01
  Doing God's work for free. Apparently they on whatever day
• 42:07
  it was, I went on the website to like look at this article,
• 42:10
  they'd actually changed the bio of the website.
• 42:13
  So where the logo comes up and they've changed it back.
• 42:16
  Now the logo comes up massive, like let's run.
• 42:19
  And then underneath now it says it's like they're phrase.
• 42:28
  I don't know if they change it regularly or what, but now it
• 42:30
  just says powered by humans, not an algorithm.
• 42:33
  But when I went on there the other day, I'm annoyed.
• 42:35
  I didn't screenshot it, but it said something along the lines
• 42:39
  of we have never been paid to promote, just say Oh no.
• 42:47
  Well, yeah. Anyway, that's that for this
• 42:50
  week. I've now learned never say
• 42:52
  never. Owen, tell us about Team Ireland
• 42:55
  at World Cross Country. Yeah.
• 42:57
  So after like probably the most successful European Championship
• 43:01
  ever and European cross country championship ever, I was
• 43:05
  expecting Ireland to send like full under 23 teams, full senior
• 43:09
  teams. But in the end they are sending
• 43:12
  4 individuals. So in the under 20 men, they're
• 43:16
  sending Noah Harris. In the senior women, they're
• 43:19
  sending two people. They're sending Fiona Everard
• 43:21
  and Neve Allen, and then in the senior men, they're sending
• 43:26
  Brian Faye. So yeah, I was a bit shocked to
• 43:30
  see that. I know it costs a bit of money
• 43:33
  to send athletes over to these, like, championships.
• 43:38
  So I was beheaded. Like, I wasn't sure they're
• 43:41
  going to send anyone at all. But after the good performance
• 43:43
  in Europe, they sort of were. I thought they were going to be
• 43:46
  forced to send everyone. But no, they sent four people.
• 43:50
  Now it does clash with the Valencia 10K, which a lot of
• 43:56
  people would use to get a 10K standard for, let's say, the
• 44:01
  European Championships later on in the year in the Com games.
• 44:04
  So I just thought it was interesting.
• 44:06
  I think I read somewhere that Jack O'Leary, he was first Irish
• 44:10
  home in the men's senior race. He's choosing to go to Valencia,
• 44:16
  him and Cormac Dalton, but then boys are choosing to run
• 44:19
  Valencia to try and get a European standard for the 10K,
• 44:22
  which is 2750. And so, yeah, I don't know where
• 44:27
  I stand. Like you're sort of turning down
• 44:29
  an Irish fest for the chance to get another Irish fest.
• 44:33
  But yeah, what do you guys think?
• 44:36
  Yeah. It's kind of like, I don't know,
• 44:39
  it's hard to comprehend, isn't it?
• 44:40
  But obviously in the athlete choose, you can see like kind of
• 44:44
  the the road map a bit more clearly.
• 44:46
  Where is where just looking at immediately, like what impact
• 44:50
  this has right now, the next major event on the calendar is
• 44:53
  well, cross country. So we're thinking every egg
• 44:57
  should be in that basket. But I guess they've just got a,
• 45:00
  they've got a plan a bit differently in a bit more long
• 45:02
  term. Is hard to wrap your head round
• 45:06
  though. Like you say, turning down an
• 45:07
  Irish fest to try and get an Irish fest.
• 45:12
  I get it. I was just going to say I think
• 45:16
  the world cross in recent years maybe lost a little bit of it's
• 45:20
  it's shine. And because it's so dominated by
• 45:24
  some of those East African nations or has been, I think for
• 45:30
  some people running, you know, 50th or and I'm not to say that
• 45:33
  these guys, that's what they're going to run, but like
• 45:36
  traditionally the top, like it's so deep.
• 45:38
  You got six really good Kenyan, 6 really good Ethiopian, 6
• 45:41
  really good Ugandans sprinkling a few guys from Eritrea and like
• 45:47
  Hab Tom, what was he 17th at Bathurst like with Kyra
• 45:51
  Robinson? Was he first Aussie and was 20
• 45:54
  something like, I don't know, it's a you because you're not
• 45:57
  competitive versus some of these other races where a European
• 46:00
  cross or European 10K final. You, you know, you, you're a
• 46:05
  chance to, to be competitive. Maybe that's playing into the
• 46:09
  the fact that they they missed one and to the other.
• 46:14
  I feel like they shouldn't clash like an athlete shouldn't have
• 46:17
  to choose, shouldn't have to make this decision.
• 46:20
  Like people should say that OK, there's a cross country
• 46:23
  champions this year, people are going to want to run the
• 46:25
  Europeans. They should put on a fast 10K
• 46:27
  like in the middle of both of these umm to just help them like
• 46:33
  decide because like no one wants to turn down like an
• 46:36
  international vest, like most people would jump at it.
• 46:39
  But I think a European vest is probably a more prestigious
• 46:44
  vest, let's say then a world cross country one.
• 46:47
  They might look at a European one as a better as a better
• 46:50
  chance to meddle or just yeah, I don't know.
• 46:52
  But it would be such a tricky situation.
• 46:55
  Tough choice to make. Well, as is it swelled indoors
• 46:59
  and I think it's in Poland in February maybe as well.
• 47:02
  So that's the other side of the coin.
• 47:04
  You've got Valencia 10K on the roads and then Weld indoors in
• 47:08
  February. So a lot of the the fast people
• 47:11
  will be going over to bloody Boston, isn't it, where all
• 47:14
  those ridiculous times around in like January and trying to run
• 47:18
  indoors times and standards there.
• 47:22
  Like on the bright side, it looks like the Irish guys were
• 47:25
  offered. They just turned it down.
• 47:27
  So Irish athletics, we're going to send them.
• 47:29
  So kudos to them for giving them the option.
• 47:32
  But yeah, just having athletes having to make the choice.
• 47:35
  Well, suppose like so we have to do but like the UK one then
• 47:40
  Ryan, I'll let you talk about the UK one because I I've got
• 47:44
  some strong words on that one. Yeah, OK.
• 47:48
  Team GB have also confirmed themselves for, well, cross
• 47:52
  country. So the senior women is Phoebe
• 47:55
  Anderson, Megan Keith, Verity Ockenden and Poppy Tank.
• 48:00
  So a team of four senior men is a team of four.
• 48:02
  Also Jacob Kahn, Rory Leonard, David Malarkey and Matthew
• 48:06
  Ramsden, not to be confused with the Matt Ramsden of Perth.
• 48:11
  And then the mixed relay team is George Cusi, India Weir, Adam
• 48:15
  Fogg shout out and Alex Millard. So, yeah, I mean GB send in full
• 48:22
  teams, although when you compare the teams listed there compared
• 48:27
  to like the finishing orders at Liverpool cross country and or
• 48:32
  the teams represented that Europeans last week, they are
• 48:36
  maybe like 50% of the people in this in these selections have
• 48:42
  featured in either of those. So it's hard.
• 48:47
  I mean as we know with the selection process and criteria,
• 48:52
  it's always blurred. There's always 5 or 6 different
• 48:55
  bullets and the bottom one saying selectors discretion
• 48:59
  overrules everything so they can essentially do do as they
• 49:02
  please. But one person who particularly
• 49:05
  felt hard done by, so much so that he took to his Instagram
• 49:09
  story to let his feelings known was Callum Elson, who was
• 49:14
  actually part of the mixed relay team in Portugal, the Europeans
• 49:17
  last week where they won a bronze medal.
• 49:20
  Would you believe? And he's been left out from the
• 49:23
  world's team here and I won't read the whole thing.
• 49:26
  But he put on his story that he's gutted to miss out,
• 49:30
  especially after the medal they achieved last week.
• 49:35
  He's also careful to say like this isn't a job at any of the
• 49:38
  athletes selected. Like I've got some great friends
• 49:41
  in there. I'm as honest as it comes.
• 49:44
  If British athletics want the fastest track athletes from the
• 49:47
  summer to represent a world cross country in January, I'm
• 49:50
  100% not the best pick. But his main point is based on
• 49:55
  the selection criteria that they publicized, he stands up pretty
• 49:59
  well against these. So he he's just struggling to
• 50:03
  understand how he's been left out.
• 50:07
  The sad thing is he finishes it by saying probably won't make
• 50:10
  another team after this, but I wear my heart on my sleeve and I
• 50:13
  feel this is important to raise. So I think fair play to him for
• 50:16
  putting it out there because a lot of athletes will just take
• 50:19
  it on the chin, be too scared to say anything and move on to the
• 50:22
  next one like it's he's after getting.
• 50:25
  Shafted. It's as if they're after like
• 50:28
  he's on the B team and they're after bringing up the A-Team to
• 50:30
  like the world's but like they're not even that much
• 50:33
  better than him. It actually looks like the two
• 50:36
  boys are based in America, so they're saving money on flights.
• 50:39
  That's genuinely what it looks like as well.
• 50:42
  It's it's a joke. Well, yeah, I think British
• 50:45
  athletics have got history for some of these cost cutting
• 50:48
  measures. So particularly George Cutie, I
• 50:53
  don't really know too much background, but we are when you
• 50:55
  go on the power of 10, his club is Harrogate slash Virginia
• 50:58
  Tech. So kind of says it all.
• 51:02
  He's A5 KPB of from a while ago. So no, he's bit.
• 51:07
  He ran 7:30 in indoor just a couple of weeks ago.
• 51:12
  He's and he. Came like 8th in NCAA cross
• 51:15
  country. So he is super, super.
• 51:16
  I suppose when you look at that, he's perfect for the thing.
• 51:19
  But he still, like Callum Elson, he'd done The Dirty work.
• 51:23
  He'd done the Euro cross. He's done loads across country
• 51:25
  in England. Like he's ticked all the boxes.
• 51:27
  He is really, really good. Like, yeah.
• 51:31
  And he did the trial, right. Iran raced in the British Trolls
• 51:35
  like the American system where they just like nowadays, with
• 51:39
  these countries being as batting as deep as what they are like
• 51:44
  and the excitement that could be marketed and broadcast like it
• 51:49
  is in America for their selection races, it would be so
• 51:53
  much better if people just race. You got to follow the drama.
• 51:56
  You got to see people excited on the day when they made these
• 51:59
  teams. I don't know versus this
• 52:02
  discretionary shittery that is the selection policy and the
• 52:06
  application of it. Yeah.
• 52:10
  So for the women's team of Phoebe Anderson, Megan Keith,
• 52:15
  Verity Ochenden and Poppy Tank, definitely Megan Keith and
• 52:19
  Verity Ochenden, they were part of the European team.
• 52:22
  So Megan Keith finished 2nd and Verity Ochenden finished 21st.
• 52:29
  So Poppy Tank and Phoebe Anderson, I think Tank, yeah,
• 52:33
  Tank was there as well. She finished 22nd.
• 52:39
  And to be fair, Phoebe Anderson was also there.
• 52:42
  She finished 16th. So they are the 1st 4 Britt term
• 52:46
  at European. So you can take no issue, no
• 52:49
  issues with the women's selection there.
• 52:52
  When you look at the men, Jacob Kahn finished 29th.
• 52:58
  Rory Leonard finished 17th. Like Scott B, I'd say he's doing
• 53:03
  he's going to do Valencia to try and get a 10K standard.
• 53:07
  Yeah, or if not indoors or Boston.
• 53:10
  He ran really well indoors last year. 1304 which yeah, rapid.
• 53:15
  He'll probably try and get under 13.
• 53:18
  That David Malarkey and Matt Ramsdon, they're the two who
• 53:21
  didn't feature at European cross country.
• 53:27
  And then when you look at the results from Liverpool, which
• 53:30
  was like the qualifier for Europeans, David Malarkey nor
• 53:37
  Matt Ramsden featured in the top, what have I got here, Top
• 53:41
  15. So, yeah, I mean, and it's hard
• 53:45
  to pass complete judgement because besides in Callum Elson
• 53:49
  situation, because you don't know whether the athletes who
• 53:52
  perhaps could have been selected ahead of them actually wanted to
• 53:56
  be selected. But certainly you can kind of
• 53:59
  take sympathy for Callum Elson there.
• 54:03
  Yeah, but at least. Well, on the bright side, he can
• 54:05
  do indoors now. He'll probably go Boston.
• 54:11
  He'd probably rather a trip to America with an English vest.
• 54:15
  I know I would. Not the English vest bit, but
• 54:18
  yeah. Wouldn't you fancy the transfer?
• 54:25
  No. If there was, you're never going
• 54:29
  to get an Irish vest. But an English vest opened up a
• 54:33
  space. Would you take it?
• 54:36
  Would you sell until I die? Yeah.
• 54:39
  No, no, I would never do that. How about the end?
• 54:43
  If you found some New Zealand connection a few generations up
• 54:47
  the line and there was a sneaky marathon spot opened up
• 54:51
  somewhere. I've got more chance of a GB
• 54:55
  vest. My dad's born in Scotland, so.
• 54:59
  That's true, I know. Well, I guess you wouldn't feel
• 55:05
  too dirty and honouring that then.
• 55:10
  I wouldn't wouldn't do it, but it wouldn't make sense.
• 55:16
  I wouldn't be looking to do anything like that.
• 55:18
  And let's look, I mean, I have heard and know of instances
• 55:26
  where in other sports athletes have is it defected from
• 55:32
  competing for Australia to take up to compete for another
• 55:36
  country. And it's because of either links
• 55:42
  to poor funding associated with one country over the other and
• 55:46
  and fewer opportunities. So which again, I'm not against,
• 55:52
  I think, yeah. Like if.
• 55:54
  The country's not doing right by you then I think that's, you
• 55:57
  know, not what you ever want to see happen.
• 55:59
  But I can understand it. Sort of like in Charles Hicks
• 56:04
  situation, like he'd get nothing off the UK but if he actually
• 56:08
  runs well in America like the funding you get off America
• 56:11
  would be incredible compared to the UK where they probably
• 56:13
  wouldn't even bring him on a team.
• 56:15
  The more anything about the UK section policy they're actually
• 56:18
  so stupid. Like what?
• 56:19
  What are they doing like? Idiots.
• 56:23
  It's not fair. Yeah, the car.
• 56:26
  Miles worked his ass off. How do they keep getting chosen
• 56:31
  to host like these major games? I know that's separate from
• 56:36
  British Athletics, but well, British Athletics obviously
• 56:38
  plays a big part in the bid process and everything because
• 56:43
  they've got they've got European outdoors this coming summer.
• 56:47
  And is it Glasgow's got COM games and then I think World
• 56:53
  Champs is back in London maybe like 20-30 or something as well.
• 56:57
  Is it? I think so.
• 57:01
  No one else. Must want it.
• 57:05
  See there you can save all the pennies for.
• 57:10
  America yeah, saving on the flights and just bid, put it
• 57:13
  towards a bid. Right, it's another bit of news.
• 57:16
  There's a another fella's been popped for Dopin this week.
• 57:20
  Emmanuel Kiprop, Kip Russo. So he's a 13O65K guy and a 2730
• 57:26
  and 10K guy are. We surprised.
• 57:30
  Was he? Was he actually popped?
• 57:32
  I looked him up, it read. I don't know.
• 57:34
  I was trying to make sense of what he was actually banned for.
• 57:38
  It was the passport thing wasn't it, Where it's over the period
• 57:41
  of time they check. Yeah, that sort of carry on.
• 57:45
  No, but not like biological passport, was it?
• 57:49
  I think it was what's the biological passport?
• 57:53
  It's where like he's got abnormal levels of like blood
• 57:58
  cells in his bloody or something, isn't it?
• 58:03
  I. Don't know the the the articles
• 58:05
  that I've found on him. We're talking about contractual
• 58:08
  disputes, the reason why he's suspended so.
• 58:12
  Oh really? Shit, that's random?
• 58:15
  Well, what the hell. Where have I pulled?
• 58:22
  This one from I'm sorry Emmanuel, if we've done your
• 58:26
  dirty, we'll have to take that out.
• 58:27
  I'm not sure where did I see that.
• 58:33
  I think we. Might have to so like the World
• 58:37
  Athletics article talks about. Yeah, it.
• 58:41
  Confirms that this Emmanuel Keep Keep Ruto has been suspended for
• 58:44
  participating in athletes by the athletes representative panel
• 58:49
  Suspensions arises from Ruto's non compliance with an order
• 58:52
  issued by the panel following a dispute lodged against him.
• 58:55
  Under their representative rule, the suspension is effective or.
• 59:02
  A manual. I'm so sorry.
• 59:05
  Contractual documentation breakdown of his earnings
• 59:08
  related to employment with the Japanese club.
• 59:11
  So I'm not sure. I couldn't find exactly what he
• 59:14
  got pot for. He hasn't been pot for anything.
• 59:18
  I think so. Making money in Japan, non
• 59:21
  disclosure transparency is really the the overarching theme
• 59:24
  here, I think. Yeah.
• 59:26
  Well, it was a nice segue from people have seen more.
• 59:28
  Transparency from the. Previous story about would you
• 59:32
  sell your soul and run for a different nation?
• 59:34
  The Kenyans don't like him being based in Japan.
• 59:38
  Was this the guy that was on Kip Jogi's team?
• 59:42
  Nah. So that's another fella.
• 59:43
  Think this guy gotta be careful now.
• 59:46
  Think this guy's Hilary Kip Church here.
• 59:49
  Chip Quan Quony. Oh, nice.
• 59:54
  Oh, that's the passport one. He's.
• 59:56
  The biological passport, yes, there's a few of the NN fellas.
• 1:00:01
  Like starting to crop war. What?
• 1:00:04
  You're trying to say Ryan I? Don't know what I'm trying to
• 1:00:07
  say. To be fair, I'm trying to say
• 1:00:09
  sorry to Emmanuel in the first instance.
• 1:00:14
  But yeah, you don't like to see this other people in Kit Jogia's
• 1:00:17
  team getting popped. Like your mind just goes one
• 1:00:19
  place and you don't want it to go there.
• 1:00:22
  I'll tell you what you also don't like to see.
• 1:00:23
  You don't like to see the coach, Patrick Sang, claiming like
• 1:00:27
  oblivious and being quite defensive about it.
• 1:00:30
  You'd rather them like, be on the front foot, take
• 1:00:33
  accountability and be like, I can't believe this has happened
• 1:00:36
  in our camp. Like we're going to introduce
• 1:00:39
  these measures to make sure it doesn't happen again.
• 1:00:41
  You know, like rather than being.
• 1:00:47
  Like saying you. Can't be across everyone at all
• 1:00:49
  times type thing and trying to deflect the blame.
• 1:00:54
  But I mean to be fair, if imagine if Kipchoge ever got
• 1:00:58
  done I think running would just fall apart.
• 1:01:00
  So it would be a terrible thing for the sport.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah, well, at. Least he's he's pretty much gone
• 1:01:06
  now. Like that's sort of same thing.
• 1:01:08
  But Bolt, he sort of got out pretty, pretty quick as well.
• 1:01:12
  I'm not saying anything, but he left pretty rapidly.
• 1:01:17
  Well, there are a few conspiracy theories regarding Mo Farah in
• 1:01:24
  that sense as well, aren't there?
• 1:01:26
  Well. It same sort of thing like is
• 1:01:28
  camp, people in this camp are getting pumped.
• 1:01:33
  When they make it so big, they get out whilst they're on top,
• 1:01:36
  yeah. Speaking.
• 1:01:39
  Of incredible recoveries. Should we segue into training
• 1:01:44
  weeks? Yes, the has there been?
• 1:01:48
  Some big weeks from you guys. Big week with a broken arm on
• 1:01:53
  the bike. Go for it now.
• 1:01:57
  Just. Quickly Yeah, I'd stupidly done
• 1:01:59
  300K on the bike this week. It was a it was an early trial
• 1:02:04
  on Tuesday to see how it went, and it went OK, so we just
• 1:02:08
  rolled with it, pardon the pun. There's also some stupidity on
• 1:02:12
  Saturday morning given it was our works Christmas due on
• 1:02:16
  Friday and I came home after 7 pints, not too healthy and then
• 1:02:22
  got up for the group ride on Saturday morning and there was
• 1:02:25
  like I was a little bit late so I missed the start which meant I
• 1:02:29
  had to spend half an hour trying to get on the back of the group.
• 1:02:32
  And there was like at least once every minute and there's 30
• 1:02:37
  minutes I was saying to myself going you can't catch them, just
• 1:02:41
  go home. And it was absolute torture.
• 1:02:44
  You know, like when you just don't want it and you're not in
• 1:02:47
  the right head space and you're trying to find any excuse not to
• 1:02:49
  do it. I was absolutely battling
• 1:02:52
  myself, but hung on in there. And from a running point of view
• 1:02:58
  on Sunday, I got up to 3 by 8 minutes, which is the obviously
• 1:03:02
  the longest kind of single interval of done yet.
• 1:03:07
  And it was like so nice because I think it was halfway through
• 1:03:11
  the 2nd Rep or something, I realized, shit, you haven't been
• 1:03:14
  thinking like at all about your stride or like putting your heel
• 1:03:19
  down and offsetting any weight. Like I think that was a bit of a
• 1:03:24
  turn and point for me because it was the first time where I'd
• 1:03:28
  almost forgot about the injury. So I'm hoping I'm touching wood
• 1:03:32
  that that won't change. But yeah, trying to remain level
• 1:03:36
  headed and just keep sticking to the plan.
• 1:03:39
  But fingers crossed we are at least part way through the woods
• 1:03:43
  now. That's good to hear.
• 1:03:46
  And like 3 by 8 minutes. Like what's that?
• 1:03:48
  24 minutes of of actual running, which is pretty good.
• 1:03:53
  Listen as he's saying it with a smack on his face.
• 1:03:56
  No, I'm serious. I'm serious.
• 1:03:59
  That's a that is good. Like when's the time you've done
• 1:04:02
  that? Yeah, OK.
• 1:04:04
  Six months ago and. So yeah, progress for play and
• 1:04:09
  turn to can the bike like. That's a big week.
• 1:04:12
  Like, how many hours is that? Like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:17
  Well, 10 hours and 10 minutes if you think.
• 1:04:22
  Because he's slower. That's a good.
• 1:04:26
  Segue to my running weight. He's back 10.
• 1:04:39
  But yeah. In terms of things to report, I
• 1:04:43
  mean pretty similar to last week other than I'm just running
• 1:04:47
  longer runs, so more 45 minutes to an hour runs, which is good.
• 1:04:54
  I think I had a consult, I think, yeah, I had a consult
• 1:04:57
  with a sports doctor and she's happy with how things are all
• 1:05:00
  progressing and which was good. No, Did I mention this?
• 1:05:05
  No, I think I mentioned this last week.
• 1:05:06
  I can't remember. But anyway, things are all
• 1:05:09
  tracking really well. Body feels good.
• 1:05:12
  I was away for part of the week but yeah, still got in my runs
• 1:05:17
  the best. It's felt comfortably.
• 1:05:21
  Some of the pain I've been experiencing I think is not, I
• 1:05:25
  hope is not bone related. I think is what has been
• 1:05:28
  described as my pelvic floor being a bit overactive, which is
• 1:05:33
  not unexpected. But other than that, some like
• 1:05:37
  pretty mild discomfort. Everything feels pretty good.
• 1:05:40
  Moving better in all my runs, starting to incorporate strides
• 1:05:44
  and I'll start to do the first part of quality stuff this week
• 1:05:48
  or next. So yeah, all going well.
• 1:05:52
  So, so going so well that I ran a little bit quicker today and I
• 1:05:55
  got kudos from Owen. So it's been a big day.
• 1:06:00
  It was worthy. It was a good one, fair play.
• 1:06:02
  What's the court to get kudos whoever comes?
• 1:06:07
  Up first on the feed. I just like the first one and
• 1:06:12
  then I'm gone. Well, you mustn't.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah, it must be one and one a day Max, because I reckon I've
• 1:06:18
  probably had about 3 kudos in six months.
• 1:06:23
  So wait, how much did you run this week?
• 1:06:25
  Is it still? A little bit sorry, still a.
• 1:06:28
  Bit sorry. It's yes and no.
• 1:06:33
  So the so the pain that I used to experience when I stopped
• 1:06:37
  running, I don't feel, I feel pain in a different area like
• 1:06:40
  tightness, but apparently that's not to be not unexpected and not
• 1:06:46
  anything to get too carried away with.
• 1:06:48
  So I'm not getting too concerned about it and just basically just
• 1:06:54
  running as per normal and in the gym lifting per normal and just
• 1:06:58
  experiencing all the normal sort of feelings of.
• 1:07:01
  Load and. Tightness, you know, tight
• 1:07:03
  calves. Again.
• 1:07:05
  My adapters are a little bit tight.
• 1:07:07
  Rah, rah, rah. You know, to get them soreness.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah. You know the past month you've
• 1:07:13
  still averaged 65 KA week. Just not bad considering just
• 1:07:18
  scraping by. Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  And to begin with, it was just because I had a high frequency,
• 1:07:23
  like it's like 410 runs a week or something.
• 1:07:25
  Whereas now it's running a little bit, they're getting a
• 1:07:27
  little bit meatier, so. Yeah, I.
• 1:07:31
  Feel I don't feel like I'm pretty itchy to get stuck back
• 1:07:34
  into stuff but I'll just ask the questions of people and then
• 1:07:40
  when I get told what I can do or do it.
• 1:07:44
  At least you've got a methodology to account for all
• 1:07:47
  your Christmas chocolates. Trying to and yeah, it did it.
• 1:07:53
  I don't know, 150 odd case on the bike, half of what Ryan did.
• 1:07:57
  But right, let me move on to my week probably so ratio.
• 1:08:07
  So Monday, easy double day, 45 minutes on the treadmill in the
• 1:08:10
  morning and then in the evening I done 45 minutes and a few
• 1:08:15
  strides. Tuesday I don't 60 minutes in
• 1:08:21
  the morning, so 13 1/2 kilometers again on the
• 1:08:24
  treadmill. I just, I, I really like the
• 1:08:28
  treadmill now because you get up in the morning and it's cold and
• 1:08:30
  wet and it's shit and you just go into like a nice warm gym.
• 1:08:34
  So yeah, I I like it and then can't believe it's.
• 1:08:40
  Taken us over an hour and 10 minutes to mention the weather.
• 1:08:43
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Speaking of treadmills, did you watch Jack's latest?
• 1:08:50
  Video. Yeah, first time in like 5
• 1:08:52
  years. How?
• 1:08:53
  Yeah, how? Suppose it doesn't work.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah, it doesn't have to. Daylight hours only, yeah.
• 1:09:03
  Privileged day, I know. He.
• 1:09:05
  Deserved. He worked for it and right
• 1:09:09
  Tuesday evening track session so the usual one will cool down and
• 1:09:14
  then it was 2 sets of 8 by 400 off what was meant to be off 30
• 1:09:21
  seconds. But umm, because I was doing it
• 1:09:25
  on my short 336m track where I finish I don't start.
• 1:09:33
  So I have to like jog halfway up the home straight again and
• 1:09:38
  start from halfway there. So I couldn't get back in the 30
• 1:09:43
  seconds or else I'll just be sprinting the whole time.
• 1:09:45
  So it worked out like 45 seconds and they were all in around 60
• 1:09:51
  sevens, 60 eights, few 60 sixes in there.
• 1:09:55
  Finished in like a 63 and it was 4 minutes between between the
• 1:10:01
  sets. So yeah, feeling good.
• 1:10:04
  Just your standard 400 me workout really.
• 1:10:08
  And when is the? With the four minutes in
• 1:10:11
  between, is the objective then to push them quite hard or
• 1:10:16
  keeping them controlled so to keep them?
• 1:10:18
  Controlled like because of the rest is pretty sure in between
• 1:10:24
  the the sets are like 4 minutes. It actually it flies by as well
• 1:10:30
  and you think it's longer, but it feels like it flew by and
• 1:10:35
  because it's like 8 in a set, it's actually a lot.
• 1:10:39
  It's not like you're doing like 4, you have a break, another 4,
• 1:10:43
  you have a break. It's not like them short ones.
• 1:10:45
  Like 8 in a set is like it's pretty long.
• 1:10:47
  So like, I don't know, like it's 67.
• 1:10:51
  Like they were just all them were like relatively hard if you
• 1:10:56
  get me. So yeah.
• 1:10:59
  And I had the group there. I will add two other guys would
• 1:11:02
  be there as well. So they were jumping in on every
• 1:11:04
  second one. So every second one I could just
• 1:11:06
  sort of follow them, which was which was nice.
• 1:11:10
  And Wednesday morning I done 60 minutes on the lip decal and
• 1:11:14
  that's true. After that I done 30 minute jog
• 1:11:17
  on the treadmill. So again, just 6K in like 440
• 1:11:21
  sevens. And that evening I do my
• 1:11:24
  circuits class, which was the last one before Christmas, and
• 1:11:29
  we were doing this, I don't know, like you do like not much
• 1:11:35
  weight at all, but. Fuck me.
• 1:11:37
  Guys, I pulled up so sore from this one.
• 1:11:39
  We're doing this new exercise with like you do lunge, you
• 1:11:44
  lunge out to the side and then you pick up a weight and like, I
• 1:11:49
  never done that exercise before. And the next morning I was,
• 1:11:53
  yeah, pretty, pretty sore. Where?
• 1:11:58
  Where's this tightness? From my ass.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was just like,
• 1:12:06
  it's sore enough to walk so that even I sort of got right into
• 1:12:08
  them. And because the next morning I
• 1:12:10
  had a relatively big session. So again, I was on the treadmill
• 1:12:16
  because it was super shit outside and it was 2 by 20
• 1:12:22
  minutes on the treadmill and with five minute jog in between.
• 1:12:27
  So the first set was at 3 O sixes and the second set was at
• 1:12:31
  3 O fives. But like like with the
• 1:12:33
  treadmill, I've I've got serious trust issues with the treadmill.
• 1:12:37
  I don't know, do you ever like feel that the pace isn't right?
• 1:12:42
  Like these treadmills are really new, but I just feel like it's
• 1:12:46
  not like I don't think I could run like three O 5 just comfy.
• 1:12:51
  And like so after the first set, the lactate was 1.9 and after
• 1:12:55
  the second set the lactate was two point O So like I don't know
• 1:12:59
  if my lactate is really that low.
• 1:13:02
  So like while doing those paces, do you get me like that worked
• 1:13:08
  out like 13 K at 320 fours, which is which is a pretty big.
• 1:13:14
  So did you. Did you put the treadmill on an
• 1:13:18
  incline at all or was it it was flat?
• 1:13:21
  It was like 0.5. But.
• 1:13:26
  Again, it's is that? Is that a myth?
• 1:13:28
  Is it like I heard that it just puts more stress on your
• 1:13:33
  Achilles because your legs are an angling?
• 1:13:36
  I just. Find that I struggle to get my
• 1:13:39
  heart rate as as high on the treadmill is if I was doing it
• 1:13:43
  on the road. Like it feels easier to make
• 1:13:46
  treadmill running than it does road running for the same pace
• 1:13:50
  when I set my treadmill. But yeah, because I feel like
• 1:13:54
  you're only having to get off the ground for the treadmill to
• 1:13:57
  move underneath you rather than having to push yourself forward.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah, but like some like Jack, a bigger Britain swears by it.
• 1:14:03
  Like he does loads of his sessions on it so.
• 1:14:07
  It must. Be.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah. I don't think there's anything
• 1:14:09
  wrong with it, I think it's just it feels like lower load and
• 1:14:13
  like lower mechanical load and. Just.
• 1:14:16
  Maybe slightly less like harder on on your body, but I don't
• 1:14:21
  think that's a bad thing. And having slightly lower
• 1:14:23
  lactate than higher lactate, like isn't that directionally
• 1:14:26
  just a good thing? Yeah, like I.
• 1:14:28
  Guarantee you if I'm on that session outside, my lactate
• 1:14:30
  would not be like 2.0. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:34
  So like I think it's helpful well.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah, the thing if you, if you hadn't have done your lactate,
• 1:14:40
  you probably wouldn't be second guessing yourself.
• 1:14:42
  But because you've run 5K and the rest in a 1525 pace with a
• 1:14:48
  lactate reading of two, that's why you're probably like, is
• 1:14:51
  this pace really right? We could be on.
• 1:14:54
  For Valencia Voice and but after that I went outside and I done
• 1:15:00
  some strides as well. And.
• 1:15:04
  I sort of over so because this before work, I sort of have to
• 1:15:08
  like count back the hours so I'm not late for work and I was a
• 1:15:11
  little bit late for work this day so I got away with it though
• 1:15:15
  so. None of the strides were
• 1:15:16
  sacrificed. You were happy to just be late
• 1:15:19
  for where I. Nearly done it and I was like,
• 1:15:22
  you know what, It's going to take me another like 2-3 minutes
• 1:15:25
  to these strides. Like really, it doesn't make a
• 1:15:27
  difference. So if I'm late, I'm going to be
• 1:15:28
  late. I may as well be late by a bit.
• 1:15:30
  So yeah, how? Much cool down.
• 1:15:34
  All the 15 minutes full cool down is all 15 minutes that's.
• 1:15:38
  Where you should be taking the 5 minutes off no.
• 1:15:42
  No way. No way.
• 1:15:45
  They're all junk miles as cool down miles anyway, aren't they?
• 1:15:48
  No, they all mean something conditioning.
• 1:15:53
  That evening I, I, my legs felt like dirt.
• 1:15:57
  So I don't 30 minutes on treadmill just to shout them out
• 1:16:00
  before a sort of gym session, which was a little bit heavier
• 1:16:03
  of a lift. So that was my Thursday, Friday
• 1:16:10
  rest day. Got a massage, sort of
• 1:16:12
  rejuvenated me for the Saturday morning.
• 1:16:15
  I had 10 by 400 meter hills. I'm with these hills I.
• 1:16:25
  You sort of. Need a nice hill and like after
• 1:16:28
  doing them, I was like, should I've got a hill with like a
• 1:16:31
  bigger incline like you're always doubting yourself and
• 1:16:35
  well, this one like eh, Oh yeah, like I felt shit from from hill
• 1:16:40
  one, but like I was doing them in like 6860 nines.
• 1:16:44
  So I don't know if the hill was hard enough if you get me for a
• 1:16:48
  hill session, but umm, look the all up, warm up, cool down the
• 1:16:53
  hills. I done EH17K.
• 1:16:56
  So umm, another sort of big enough session and I feel like,
• 1:17:00
  yeah, it's just like halfway up the hill.
• 1:17:01
  You just get shot with that and you're just like struggling the
• 1:17:05
  whole way up. Umm.
• 1:17:07
  But that evening I drove down to Limerick, a place called
• 1:17:13
  Abbeyfield, and I went to my first engagement party.
• 1:17:19
  So you know you're getting old when you're going to them.
• 1:17:25
  And it's pretty lucky Dave, these data Greenway.
• 1:17:28
  So these greenways pop up around Ireland and them it's just just
• 1:17:31
  like this lovely long strip of tarmac in along like old railway
• 1:17:37
  lines or just in the middle of the country.
• 1:17:39
  So I had one of them to run on. So I don't 60 minutes at 420
• 1:17:43
  fives, so 13.6 K shaking out the legs after the long drive it was
• 1:17:47
  like 3-3 hours 15 minutes down from where I live.
• 1:17:51
  So big. Drive it was.
• 1:18:02
  So yeah, that's the relation. Of the the engaged couple to you
• 1:18:06
  in AD we actually. Met them in Perth in Australia.
• 1:18:10
  Oh yeah. So.
• 1:18:11
  Yeah, I got good friends them and they came home for Christmas
• 1:18:14
  and they're having their engagement party and then their
• 1:18:16
  wedding is in like 2 years back home.
• 1:18:18
  So yeah, so it's good to see them.
• 1:18:21
  First time seeing them and since like seven months. 0 alcohol,
• 1:18:26
  the policy few. 0 alcohol. And I managed to get to bed at
• 1:18:30
  half 10 because guys, this the party, yeah, this probably life
• 1:18:37
  doesn't wait for nobody. So I still had AI, still had a
• 1:18:40
  95 minute run to do the next day and.
• 1:18:42
  That takes. Priority.
• 1:18:45
  The more the more I say this out loud the more I realize like how
• 1:18:48
  selfish I am. Like it's actually it's actually
• 1:18:51
  terrible. Like I feel so sorry for pumping
• 1:18:54
  air fist. Right now, like yes, finally got
• 1:18:56
  through Zoom. I'm not going to.
• 1:18:58
  Stop. But I just realized how selfish
• 1:19:00
  I am. It's terrible, but yeah.
• 1:19:05
  So next morning I done 95 minutes along that Greenway and
• 1:19:10
  what was it? There was a 20 minute pick up
• 1:19:13
  after 60 minutes. So after 60 minutes I pick up
• 1:19:16
  trying to get the hurry up. And the way this Greenway
• 1:19:20
  worked, it was like a slow incline, the hallway.
• 1:19:23
  And then when I turned around, I had a nice little, nice little
• 1:19:27
  downhill for the for the pick up.
• 1:19:30
  So yeah, it worked out at 24.5 KM, 354 kilometer pace, an hour
• 1:19:37
  and 35 minutes. And for this one, I am, I made
• 1:19:43
  my, my activity public for like so everyone can see it.
• 1:19:48
  So I'm, yeah, I got a few records so strong.
• 1:19:51
  I'm such a Dick head. So yeah, I got a few strata
• 1:19:57
  records, which topped off a good week.
• 1:20:00
  I'd done 138K. Yeah, and I'm racing now this
• 1:20:06
  Saturday, a little 5K. Saturday the 27th 20.
• 1:20:12
  Seventh, yeah, 27th all them chow on menu, menu shoes that
• 1:20:17
  Santa's after getting me and I'll them, yeah, give it a lash,
• 1:20:21
  see what I can. I don't know if there's going to
• 1:20:23
  be anyone there, but it's just like a big head out before
• 1:20:27
  Valencia if I stay fit and healthy.
• 1:20:31
  You. Gyming on Christmas Day again
• 1:20:34
  this year. I looked at my program and I
• 1:20:37
  actually have Christmas Day off. But I might.
• 1:20:40
  Do 30 minutes. I'll be having a word.
• 1:20:41
  With the coach, as you know of a high performance mindset like
• 1:20:45
  yourself, that's. When you make all the gains and
• 1:20:47
  everyone else isn't running, no. I might just do 30 minutes.
• 1:20:51
  I get that like Christmas Day is very boring as well.
• 1:20:53
  Like fair enough, you get up, but then like you do nothing at
• 1:20:58
  the end of the day so I might shake out the lights for three
• 1:21:00
  minutes. Won't hurt.
• 1:21:03
  Yeah, I'm, I'm a bit disappointed that this is a tape
• 1:21:06
  a week for you because I would like to see that Christmas Day
• 1:21:09
  double, but we're not going to get it, are we?
• 1:21:11
  I don't know if. I'm going to taper that much
• 1:21:13
  like I might ease up towards the end of the week because like
• 1:21:18
  I'll be tapering like pretty soon after it.
• 1:21:21
  So I can't really go down twice or else I might be feeling a bit
• 1:21:26
  too fresh for Valencia. So look, I'll just trust, just
• 1:21:30
  do what the coach says. And hopefully, even though that
• 1:21:33
  Valencia is looking pretty stark, there's so many people
• 1:21:36
  going, you know, man, have you starstruck?
• 1:21:38
  Alan Green's got is going as well now.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, yeah, everyone's. There you'll be able to.
• 1:21:44
  Teach him on how to take name. Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  It's just sad. I'll be in the second wave
• 1:21:49
  again, Sake Really. Well, yeah, because I think you
• 1:21:53
  need a I'm in the trying to break 31 minutes.
• 1:21:59
  Even my PBS 3040 or I'm between 31 and 30.
• 1:22:04
  So I had to run like faster 5K to try and get in the sub thirty
• 1:22:08
  group. What was the 5K cut off?
• 1:22:11
  I'm not too sure actually. I emailed them trying.
• 1:22:16
  I tried everything they is it like?
• 1:22:20
  Like so for that Japanese race, it was a completely different
• 1:22:24
  no. Right.
• 1:22:25
  I think this is all right. I think it's just.
• 1:22:28
  Waves. So you're just different corral
• 1:22:31
  that's all at the same. Time we're just like a step
• 1:22:33
  back. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:37
  So that's much. Better than Maragami, where you
• 1:22:40
  basically had no chance to run with people you would like to
• 1:22:42
  run with, yeah. And I'm sure like, there's going
• 1:22:45
  to be so many people, so it probably won't work out better.
• 1:22:49
  That won't be like redlining from the off.
• 1:22:51
  I might judge it better. But yeah, super exciting.
• 1:22:55
  Will you do so, You know, like what RAF will have us do?
• 1:23:01
  Like a bit of an. Indicator type workout as a bit
• 1:23:04
  of a race predictor or you're you're thinking that the race
• 1:23:07
  you'll do is a bit of a blowout will probably give you a bit of
• 1:23:09
  insight itself, yeah. I'm just going to do that.
• 1:23:12
  Well, I'll probably do another big session like after that
• 1:23:15
  race, but the 5K, I'm presuming I'm going to be solo.
• 1:23:20
  If not solo, that's even better. But if I'm solo, like I'll just
• 1:23:23
  literally just rinse myself and see what I can, what I can do.
• 1:23:27
  Like, it's a relatively flat course, so that won't be an
• 1:23:30
  excuse to use. Yeah, we'll just, I'll just see
• 1:23:33
  what I have in me. Really.
• 1:23:35
  Go. And bodies all in one, one pace.
• 1:23:38
  But he's feeling, yeah. Touch wood.
• 1:23:39
  Touch wood. I'm telling you guys that people
• 1:23:43
  should like. I feel like people have such at
• 1:23:44
  the wrong concern, like idea about physio and massage, like
• 1:23:49
  people just go to them when they get injured where it should be
• 1:23:53
  used as like a more preventative method, like measure if you get
• 1:23:56
  me. Umm, yeah, I just think like I
• 1:24:01
  know it's expensive, but umm, it's sort of long term, like
• 1:24:04
  even like every month. Umm, it's it's so, so worth it.
• 1:24:09
  It just keeps you in line. Yeah, because you've had a
• 1:24:12
  pretty decent run the past six months or so, haven't you?
• 1:24:15
  Touch wood, obviously. You're after fun that out there.
• 1:24:24
  You, you were losing to it. He's.
• 1:24:26
  Breaking his arm and now he's like you.
• 1:24:29
  Know he's trying to throw it on me, my body.
• 1:24:32
  I normally, I normally get a good 6-7 months and then I break
• 1:24:36
  down. So we're in that, we're in that
• 1:24:38
  period flexor funding out there. Well, you guys.
• 1:24:41
  Six weeks to live it up. No, like this is month 6, so
• 1:24:46
  yeah, we're sort of in the danger period.
• 1:24:48
  So I just need to keep me under wraps for another little while.
• 1:24:53
  And like 100% the massage constantly is helping.
• 1:24:56
  So yeah, just like the whole thing is trying to become a more
• 1:25:00
  robust like runner that you don't get these little injuries
• 1:25:04
  that just set you back. You just need that.
• 1:25:06
  Like I tell you, if you get 2 years good consistent training,
• 1:25:09
  you'd be a different athlete altogether.
• 1:25:10
  So that's why I'm sort of trying to do well it seems.
• 1:25:16
  That you've been having like down weeks and stuff here in
• 1:25:18
  there which is obviously helping as well because it just takes
• 1:25:21
  the load out of it a bit, don't it?
• 1:25:23
  Yeah, and the. Fact that like like the training
• 1:25:26
  is so specific to me, like like my coach coach is like I'd say
• 1:25:33
  like four or five people. So like it's so, so specific.
• 1:25:36
  I think that really helps like after most sessions, he texts me
• 1:25:39
  to see how again on or he rings me like every now and then see
• 1:25:42
  how my body is. So it's just that so
• 1:25:44
  personalized that I think it really.
• 1:25:47
  It like I'm pretty. Lucky in that way.
• 1:25:51
  And that Wednesday class with the old ladies must be helpful
• 1:25:53
  as well. That is the.
• 1:25:55
  Secret. That is the secret.
• 1:25:58
  Good. They're not old.
• 1:26:00
  They listen to this. They're not old.
• 1:26:04
  Young ladies, I think you call them.
• 1:26:09
  Old ladies didn't. Good luck.
• 1:26:16
  Oh. Fair.
• 1:26:16
  I'm pretty sure that's. It's I can't believe it's
• 1:26:24
  Christmas episode. Like next time we speak it will
• 1:26:26
  have been Christmas. It's strange.
• 1:26:30
  Anyway, you shoot Diaries, we didn't do it last week.
• 1:26:34
  This week comes from Claudia Hollingsworth, who is the young
• 1:26:41
  Australian sensation in the 800 metres and I think she's
• 1:26:45
  potentially looking at moving up towards the 1500 metres in the
• 1:26:48
  coming years. So it's a video put together up
• 1:26:52
  in Falls Creek. I think it's a issue debut or at
• 1:26:55
  least in terms like this long form documentary style stuff.
• 1:27:01
  So it focuses entirely on her. But you see that she is part of
• 1:27:04
  a training group up there and her coach is formerly the coach
• 1:27:08
  of front runner Ben Green, who's recently passed 6 to 12 months,
• 1:27:13
  moved over to coaching it on Oceana underneath Craig Mottram.
• 1:27:19
  So he features quite prominently in it as well.
• 1:27:21
  He doesn't have much of A speaking role, but he's on the
• 1:27:23
  bike alongside Claudia as they're going up and down the
• 1:27:27
  gravel paths. They're doing the K reps and the
• 1:27:29
  800 meter reps and it's kind of well timed because Ben, since
• 1:27:35
  his move to on, has moved to think, spends most of his time
• 1:27:39
  in Melbourne. Does he, Dean?
• 1:27:43
  Yeah, he does, yeah. And then he's he's back in town
• 1:27:46
  tomorrow for a Christmas Perth special and he's coming down to
• 1:27:49
  the track. I think they're bringing Jesse
• 1:27:52
  Hunt as well who's on athlete, so should be good to catch up on
• 1:27:58
  a Perth boy. Yeah, both Claudia.
• 1:28:01
  So she in terms of her athletic achievements today, she's round
• 1:28:05
  157 over the 800 meters. She's the Australian under 20
• 1:28:11
  record holder in both the 1500 meters and the 1000 meters,
• 1:28:15
  running four O 2 in the 15 and she's also the nationals
• 1:28:22
  champion from 2024 in the 800 meters.
• 1:28:26
  So just a bit of an interesting one to follow.
• 1:28:28
  She's quite she does like you know, an Aziz one where she does
• 1:28:32
  the sit down section and kind of a bit of Q&A and stuff.
• 1:28:34
  So she's she's put that sort of reflective little period mixed
• 1:28:39
  into the video as well. So it's just another person to
• 1:28:43
  kind of get to know on a bit of a personal level and follow
• 1:28:46
  their journey a little bit closer because she is kind of
• 1:28:49
  looked at with a lot of potential and hopeful that she
• 1:28:52
  can kind of go far on the international stage.
• 1:28:54
  So be cool to follow that journey from the starting point.
• 1:28:58
  Well, I mean, she's been doing it for the years, but in terms
• 1:29:01
  of opening herself up to to us loss.
• 1:29:06
  Where is the Australia Track and Field Nationals on this year?
• 1:29:11
  Since in Sydney is it? When is in Sydney?
• 1:29:17
  April time? Oh, April.
• 1:29:19
  OK, OK, OK. So we've got that Perth track
• 1:29:23
  classic again here, which will be interesting to see if they
• 1:29:26
  hopefully they pull a decent field together after Nationals
• 1:29:29
  last year. Because I mean, trying to take
• 1:29:32
  the Rose tinted spectacles off. But everyone seemed to quite
• 1:29:36
  like it and everyone thought that they ran quite fast on the
• 1:29:39
  track and stuff. So hopefully there's some good,
• 1:29:42
  good people coming over again for that.
• 1:29:46
  I pray it's a nice spot as well so hopefully you might see them
• 1:29:51
  running around herdsmen. Yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Oh, we did last time actually, didn't we?
• 1:29:58
  Was this, were we all on a long run that Sunday?
• 1:30:01
  And we run past a few of them. I was I.
• 1:30:05
  Think I was injured? Must have been the time of year,
• 1:30:11
  can't remember. Yeah, it's.
• 1:30:13
  Six months period, Yeah, yeah, I found, looked up the standard
• 1:30:18
  for go on. There you go.
• 1:30:22
  I looked up. The standard to get into that.
• 1:30:24
  So it's like the sub elite in Valencia 10K you have to either
• 1:30:27
  run 30 flat or 1415 in the last two years.
• 1:30:33
  So she says switch your time. You will start in the under 31
• 1:30:37
  min wave, which is like it is the wave I'm meant to be in must
• 1:30:42
  be real. So and we're plenty of athletes
• 1:30:44
  with the same goal. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:30:50
  There was a second YouTube I wanted to just mention, I won't
• 1:30:53
  explain it in full depth but I don't know if you've seen it
• 1:30:56
  because I was keen to get your thoughts.
• 1:30:57
  Seth done a video for Zata pack. Have either either of you
• 1:31:01
  watched it? Yeah, right.
• 1:31:05
  How? Like it's not put together with
• 1:31:08
  anywhere near the same like level of professionalism as like
• 1:31:11
  these like Clayton Young type the stuff that Izzy's doing now,
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  but the the insight from when he has his pre race meeting with
• 1:31:20
  his coach and they're like a Seth goes.
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  I see there's four scenarios that could playoffs.
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  It's so good. It's so, so good.
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  So he basically says D and he's like, there's there's four ways
• 1:31:32
  this race can go. Number one is I'm just fitter
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  than everyone. Well, firstly they decide his
• 1:31:39
  plan of attack and he's like, I just want to basically time
• 1:31:43
  trial it, see what happens. I know I'm fit, I just want to
• 1:31:47
  see how fit I am. And then they agree upon his
• 1:31:50
  approach. And then Seth's like, right, OK,
• 1:31:52
  so based on that, there's four potential scenarios from me
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  running hard from the gun and he goes through them all and it's
• 1:32:01
  like he gaps them all straight away and there's a chase pack
• 1:32:04
  and they they claw him back a little or someone goes with him
• 1:32:09
  and then they try and out kick him or no one goes with him and
• 1:32:12
  he runs away. And he talks through them all
• 1:32:14
  and he's like, but the way I see it, if anyone's going to beat
• 1:32:18
  me, they're going to have to be in 27 minute flat shape.
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  And I don't think they are because you watch.
• 1:32:26
  Yeah, go on. You go like he's.
• 1:32:29
  You just like I'm gonna win, beat, win by a mile like that's
• 1:32:31
  one of the options he gives and like it's literally what
• 1:32:34
  happens. You watch the.
• 1:32:38
  Race did they talk about? The wind or anything?
• 1:32:41
  Is it? Tough conditions or whatever
• 1:32:43
  that night, did they consider that people are reading too?
• 1:32:46
  Much into them conditions like I think it was worse than solo.
• 1:32:52
  Yeah, just punching. Into the wind for 20. 5 laps, I
• 1:32:57
  don't know. I don't know if it was.
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  I was just wondering if he mentioned it.
• 1:33:03
  It's just mad that like he's got because you watch the race and
• 1:33:06
  you see him go off the front. You think, but the AL Sef's a
• 1:33:08
  Mad Dog is knee. But when you kind of hear his
• 1:33:11
  pre plan of like why he's so confident and why he's chosen to
• 1:33:15
  do that is he's literally as leveled up so much to just take
• 1:33:20
  Stu Mcsway in and Jack Rayner on like that and be so bold.
• 1:33:24
  Did you see the session you've done before?
• 1:33:26
  It was outrageous. The 6K3K1K wasn't or something
• 1:33:31
  like that. Yeah, so it must must.
• 1:33:34
  Be fun when you it. Is last you done that 6K like 3
• 1:33:40
  or 4 minutes off, 2K3 or 4 minutes off and then 1K and he
• 1:33:43
  ran his last 1K and was a 230. Yeah, but.
• 1:33:48
  Also while wearing spikes for every all of it.
• 1:33:52
  Yeah. Outrageous.
• 1:33:55
  Yeah. Fair play, Seth, keep doing it.
• 1:33:58
  Did you hear us? Who Jimmy Whelan signed with?
• 1:34:00
  No. No.
• 1:34:03
  Has he? Announced no, but.
• 1:34:05
  Apparently he, well, he didn't run Zada peg I think because he
• 1:34:07
  got a calf twin or something like that.
• 1:34:10
  Oh, it's just, you just reminded me.
• 1:34:12
  Sorry. That YouTube Diaries
• 1:34:13
  recommendation was sent through by one of the listeners, Dan
• 1:34:16
  Yaxley. So thanks for putting it on the
• 1:34:18
  radar down. Yeah, I had in my head that
• 1:34:22
  Jimmy Whelan was, if not signed, about to sign for ASICS.
• 1:34:26
  And I don't know whether that's just like some strange
• 1:34:29
  connotation I've drawn up in my own mind, but.
• 1:34:33
  I thought that as well, to be honest, because he's wearing, he
• 1:34:35
  always wears the masks, shoes. He's like.
• 1:34:39
  This Instagram post is in Adidas shoes.
• 1:34:42
  Yeah, he's. Trying to any war Solomon ones
• 1:34:44
  as well. And I don't know, because I was
• 1:34:49
  listening. He'd done does this marathon
• 1:34:51
  podcast and he was this is before his out of pack and they
• 1:34:57
  were on about how he's like so robust and never gets injured.
• 1:35:02
  And then the porch. He was like, oh, saying this now
• 1:35:04
  I'll probably get injured and he actually did.
• 1:35:08
  So I'm probably on that same thing now.
• 1:35:11
  Thanks, Ryan. Yeah, Chris sent that through
• 1:35:16
  that. That's Jimmy Whelan because we
• 1:35:19
  were speaking about him the other week, like why he wasn't
• 1:35:21
  as aspect or whatever. And then Chris sent through, we
• 1:35:23
  had a bit of a niggle and I was like, oh, it must be the the
• 1:35:27
  cynic in me. But like, it's not to say I'm
• 1:35:31
  glad, but it's comforting to see that people transitioning from
• 1:35:37
  cycling and just hitting the ground running, pardon the pun,
• 1:35:39
  and like thinking that running is like incredibly easy and
• 1:35:44
  they're just going to become like one of the best in the
• 1:35:46
  world instantly. It's just it's not always
• 1:35:49
  sunshine and roses and unfortunately reality gets us
• 1:35:54
  all at some point or other, like I think.
• 1:35:56
  He was running 200K weeks, which is, again, like, all of us could
• 1:36:01
  run 200K weeks for four weeks. But then it catches up on you.
• 1:36:07
  Like, it's crazy. Like, yeah, even like Jake,
• 1:36:10
  like, that comes to a stage where, like, mileage is a
• 1:36:13
  detriment to a person. Like you just need to find that
• 1:36:15
  nice balance and I don't know why 200K is a magic number all
• 1:36:20
  of a sudden. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's just
• 1:36:24
  come over and he's he's had a good first experience and he's
• 1:36:27
  gone. Well, let's just see what I can
• 1:36:29
  do. Keep pushing the limit, keep
• 1:36:31
  pushing the limit. And now no doubt it'll be a bit
• 1:36:33
  of a like reminder that there are limits to things and you
• 1:36:39
  have to be a little bit sensible.
• 1:36:41
  So I'm sure he'll come out the other side of it.
• 1:36:44
  Suppose he's. Sort of found ISM as well now he
• 1:36:46
  would never know if he didn't try.
• 1:36:49
  Exactly, I see anyone any any Christmas double troubles.
• 1:36:57
  I feel like the chocolates in like selection box and the
• 1:37:00
  advent calendar should be bigger.
• 1:37:03
  I've got you get I've got this just Cadbury's.
• 1:37:06
  Like I'm actually it's a Malteser 1 and I feel like the
• 1:37:09
  chocolate should just be like they're tiny.
• 1:37:12
  They just need to be a little bit bigger.
• 1:37:16
  But yeah, other than that, like it's not enough to have with a
• 1:37:18
  cup of tea, you just need a little bit more.
• 1:37:21
  I have a chocolate related one as well, but he was saying to me
• 1:37:24
  like last week, oh, we've got no Christmas chocolate in the
• 1:37:27
  flash. So when and I'm one of those
• 1:37:30
  where like once you start spending money, it just like
• 1:37:32
  compounds and you don't just buy one thing, you buy like four or
• 1:37:35
  five. So then I come home with like
• 1:37:38
  Maltese is the limp balls Toblerone.
• 1:37:44
  Did you ever? Throw the rough shake the
• 1:37:45
  pistachio and lint balls. No, they taste like.
• 1:37:51
  Kinder. It's the best thing you'll ever
• 1:37:53
  taste in your life. Get them, they're so good.
• 1:37:58
  Lint is a proper Christmas chocolate, isn't it?
• 1:38:01
  Yeah, but anyway, might the she was going on like, oh, we've got
• 1:38:07
  no chocolate. So I brought her all home and
• 1:38:08
  then she's going mad saying why have you brought all this?
• 1:38:11
  And then I was like, well, it's fine, we'll just keep it in the
• 1:38:13
  fridge until we get to Christmas.
• 1:38:15
  So then she opens it on like night one, and then obviously I
• 1:38:19
  proceed to obliterate it over the course of the next three or
• 1:38:22
  four nights and it's like the 18th of December and yet again,
• 1:38:26
  we have no Christmas chocolate. But yeah, I think that's us.
• 1:38:33
  Merry Christmas, fellas. Feliz Navidad.
• 1:38:38
  Merry Christmas. Did you?
• 1:38:40
  Did you see the real saying? Feliz Navidad sounds like a
• 1:38:43
  Scouser saying police. Not me, Dad.
• 1:38:49
  And we will leave it there, see. You next week.
• 1:38:52
  Good luck guys. Enjoy.
• 1:38:54
  See you guys.