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TAILGATE PARTY SHOCK: GLAM TEXAS A&M HONOR SOPH DEAD, 'FRIENDS' CLAM UP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A tailgate party shock.
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Speaker 2: A gorgeous young Texas A and M honor student, a
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Speaker 2: sophomore is dead.
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Speaker 1: Her friends clam.
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Speaker 2: Up, although they apparently were all together at a party
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Speaker 2: before a stranger a passerby finds her dead. I'm messy, Grace,
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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: Nineteen year old Brianna Aguilera is top of her class
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Speaker 3: at Texas A and M University, on track to shine
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Speaker 3: at law school. She attends a tailgate with her friends,
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Speaker 3: celebrating the big game, unaware of the tragedy soon to follow.
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Speaker 2: There's so much to this case, but I can tell
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Speaker 2: you this much. Brianna Aguilar's mother does not buy what
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Speaker 2: the Austin PD is selling, and neither am I Two
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Speaker 2: many coincidences. Why is she with her friends at the
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Speaker 2: tailgate yet none of them report her missing? Why is
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Speaker 2: she found dead outside the Rio apartment high rise where
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Speaker 2: her friend has a place and they didn't notice she
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Speaker 2: wasn't there?
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Speaker 1: Why did they all clam up? Why was her.
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Speaker 2: Phone found by a creek? Why didn't mom call the
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Speaker 2: police and they refused to do nothing? She says, my
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Speaker 2: daughter's phone is pinging beside a creek.
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Speaker 1: She's not answering the phone. She's not supposed to be
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Speaker 1: by a creek in the middle of nowhere. They do nothing.
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Speaker 1: Now they're claiming there's no foul play? Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 2: I mean Scott Morgan first to you were now death
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Speaker 2: investigator joining us. He's done thousands of death scenes. Professor
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Speaker 2: or Jacksonville State University, professor forensics, author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 2: My Feet on Amazon on Starva hit podcast Body Bags
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Speaker 2: with Joe Scott Morgan. Okay, Joe Scott, the morgue, the
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Speaker 2: Emmy hasn't even given us a cod cause of death.
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Speaker 1: So how can Austin p D say no foul play?
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Speaker 1: That's total bs.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it is.
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Speaker 5: Nancy. I think that what they're going on is probably
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Speaker 5: the circumstantial evidence outside of what could be generated in
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Speaker 5: the morgue because they have no answers there. Definitively, I
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Speaker 5: can tell you, Yeah, Scott.
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Speaker 1: What circumstantial evidence?
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Speaker 5: Well, whoever they are getting this data from that she
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Speaker 5: was surrounded by, they might be just running with that
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Speaker 5: because I got to tell you, Nancy, falls from height
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Speaker 5: are one of the most difficult death cases to investigate,
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Speaker 5: particularly from the height that we're talking about. She is
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Speaker 5: going to be brutally traumatized as a result of what happened.
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Speaker 5: If this is an impact injury where she did in
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Speaker 5: fact fall, again, that speculative as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 5: They're just saying that she fell from that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, Joe, look at your screen. Let me see
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Speaker 2: Brianna get Lar. Let me see her right now. Look
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Speaker 2: at this girl.
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Speaker 1: Does she look suicidal to you? Okay? I know, doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall have a field day with what I just said.
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Speaker 1: But wait a.
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Speaker 2: Minute, it's not just her looking happy, Doctor Bethany. She
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Speaker 2: was already a sophomore, but was just nineteen. Because she's
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Speaker 2: so smart, She's taken all these honor classes and moved ahead.
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Speaker 2: She was looking forward to taking her lsat. She couldn't
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Speaker 2: wait to get into law school. She and her mother
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Speaker 2: had planned ordering her Aggie Ring you know, Texas A
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Speaker 2: and M die Hard.
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Speaker 1: She was so excited. She was just with the family
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Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2: She soaks in a bunch of family time, takes her
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Speaker 2: little brother brothers to see the new Wicked movie. She's
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Speaker 2: thrilled about going to a tailgate party, big Rye.
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Speaker 1: They're in the lone Star state. She's happy. She calls
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Speaker 1: her mom when she gets there.
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Speaker 2: Everything's fine now, Nancy says, I'm killing myself.
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Speaker 1: Look at this.
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Speaker 2: Look at this Bethany control room. Show me the railing
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Speaker 2: on the seventeenth floor.
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Speaker 1: What who is she not a komani?
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Speaker 2: She simone biles, She's going to do what a vault
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Speaker 2: over that?
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Speaker 1: That's b s.
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Speaker 6: According to one of the students who was interviewed, you
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Speaker 6: would have to get on a chair to jump over
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Speaker 6: that railingk So this was a young woman who was
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Speaker 6: very future minded. There doesn't appear to be any psychiatric history.
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Speaker 6: She appears to be able to concentrate, to restrain her
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Speaker 6: impulses enough to go through a very rigorous academic program.
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Speaker 6: That's not likely somebody who's going to kill themselves. On
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Speaker 6: the other hand, Nancy, most psychiatric illness reveal themselves between
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Speaker 6: the ages of eighteen and twenty one. So if somebody
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Speaker 6: is going to become schizophrenic bipolar OCD, it would feel
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Speaker 6: itself at that age.
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Speaker 2: You know where you are right now? Look around you
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Speaker 2: think you're in a studio.
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Speaker 1: You know where you really are. You're out in the weeds.
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Speaker 2: There is no indication that Brianna had bipolar, suicidal depression,
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Speaker 2: self harm.
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Speaker 1: None of that, she's saying.
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Speaker 2: And the mom gets so Carlin says, your daughter's in
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Speaker 2: the morgue. I'm not, you know, Bethany, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to stand by and allow this to be said about
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Speaker 2: Brianna Aguiletta.
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Speaker 1: I'm not.
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Speaker 2: She was not depressed, she was not suicidal. But but
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Speaker 2: but but what.
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Speaker 6: But I actually happened to agree with you. However, if
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Speaker 6: she was by polar, she could have been subtly going
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Speaker 6: into a manic episode, could have.
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Speaker 1: Been bib.
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Speaker 2: Where are you have you read a single shred of
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Speaker 2: evidence it says this little girl, nineteen years old, honor student, cheerleader,
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Speaker 2: the whole shebang thrilled about a tailgate, was bipolar or
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Speaker 2: did you just like make that up?
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Speaker 6: I just think it should be examined as a possibility.
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Speaker 6: I would want to look at her medical reference.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to know.
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Speaker 1: No question she was. Do you have any evidence to
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Speaker 1: say she was bipolar?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 2: I expect a lot more from you, doctor, Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 2: You don't have a d R in front of your
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Speaker 2: name for nothing. Okay, I'm gonna let you sit there
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Speaker 2: and think about what you just said for a minute.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott is just chomping it in the bit, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 2: I'm beside myself, Joe Scott. How old is my little girl, Lucy?
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Speaker 8: Uh?
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Speaker 5: Well, she's right on the verge of attending college, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: She's in this age.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, you and.
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Speaker 1: John David just turned eighteen.
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Speaker 2: And it's going to be a cold day and hul
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott. Somebody calls me and says your daughter's in
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Speaker 2: the morgue, and people start fabricating mental illnesses. This girl
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Speaker 2: was not suicidal. She was just with her family, thrilled,
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Speaker 2: couldn't wait to go to the game, couldn't wait to
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Speaker 2: go to the tailgate party.
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Speaker 1: Now she's dead. Her friends all vanished. They go to
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Speaker 1: the Four Corners.
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Speaker 2: Her cell phone is found in a completely different area
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Speaker 2: by a creek, and one of the friends purses, what
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Speaker 2: about that, that's not waving a red flag in front
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Speaker 2: of your face.
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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what I know. Far be it
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Speaker 5: from me to tell you what to do, But if
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Speaker 5: you could be so kind as to put that image up.
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Speaker 5: Something struck me the image of the rail. Again, just
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Speaker 5: from a forensic standpoint, Nancy, I hope that whoever is
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Speaker 5: in charge of this investigation they locked down and secured
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Speaker 5: that apartment pretty quickly or this space. The reason is
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Speaker 5: is that just looking at the surface of that rail,
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Speaker 5: I want to know if she has fingerprints that have
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Speaker 5: been left behind on there. I want to know if
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Speaker 5: they're palm prints on there. And as Bethany had mentioned
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Speaker 5: just a moment ago about a chair, I want to
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Speaker 5: know if there was a chair adjacent to that railing
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Speaker 5: as well, because those are points of contact. I have
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Speaker 5: to rely on the science here to try to understand. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: we'll we'll find out information about her body and what
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Speaker 5: they found as far as the trauma goes, and maybe
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Speaker 5: at some point time we're going to hear something about toxicology.
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Speaker 5: I believe that's going to take some time. But I
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Speaker 5: want to know about the interior of this place. I
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Speaker 5: want to know who has access to it. I want
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Speaker 5: to know are there any latent prints? Did they even
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Speaker 5: because you know, Nancy, they really jumped to suicide accident
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Speaker 5: that sort of thing really really quickly here. So did
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Speaker 5: they secure the scene where you can go back and
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Speaker 5: dust her prints and look for tercea v.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 2: If your body, God forbid, is found out on the
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Speaker 2: street by a stranger, I guarantee you I will not
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Speaker 2: disappear while your beautiful wife Kim looks for answers. Why
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Speaker 2: have the friends disappeared? Mommy has been trying to call
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Speaker 2: all of them. They won't return calls. They will tell
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Speaker 2: her nothing.
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Speaker 1: Why is that?
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Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that's odd except me. Not only that you stated,
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Speaker 2: did they secure the apartment?
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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Joe Scott. They did not
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Speaker 1: even speak to the.
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Speaker 2: Friends until a whole day had passed, plenty of time
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Speaker 2: for them to get a story together.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of the friends, Joe Scott, your job.
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Speaker 2: As a death investigator is not just to look at
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Speaker 2: the body itself and whatever intrinsic evidence it may contain.
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Speaker 2: Your job as a death investigator is to investigate the
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Speaker 2: circumstances surrounding the death.
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Speaker 1: Is it not?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 5: Yes it is, and that means everything.
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Speaker 2: You don't think it's unusual that the friends don't report
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Speaker 2: her missing.
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Speaker 1: She's with them.
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Speaker 2: They're fourteen people sleeping over in that seventeenth floor up
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Speaker 2: apartment that night fourteen, and not one person said, Hey,
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Speaker 2: where's breed.
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Speaker 1: You don't find that odd, Yes.
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Speaker 4: It's very odd.
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Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I think that in most investigations,
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Speaker 5: the authorities would be compelled to march every single one
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Speaker 5: of them down to headquarters and they're going to take
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Speaker 5: written statements from each and every one of these people
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Speaker 5: and get them on record so that they can cover
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Speaker 5: every jot and tittle. In this case, Nancy, because they're
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Speaker 5: in is going to rest the answers, because they're going
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Speaker 5: to know what was going on prior to this. Okay,
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Speaker 5: we know how this ended so tragically. I want to
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Speaker 5: know what happened night before. I want to know what
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Speaker 5: happened at that tailgate.
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Speaker 2: So many inconsistency swirling, And I gotta tell you this,
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Speaker 2: after we started calling the Austin PD yesterday, not non
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Speaker 2: stop trying to get a statement from them, Suddenly, after
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Speaker 2: they've been saying nothing to see here, everybody go home,
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Speaker 2: this was accident or suicide, no foul play, without even
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Speaker 2: having a cod I don't know how they can say
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Speaker 2: that they haven't looked for subcutaneous bruising under the neck,
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Speaker 2: they haven't looked for broken fingernails. How can they jump
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Speaker 2: up and say no foul play and call the mom
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Speaker 2: and say, oh, yeah, your daughter's turned up at the morgue. Really,
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Speaker 2: after we call them NonStop, they suddenly say we're rededicating
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Speaker 2: ourselves to the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's reassuring.
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Speaker 2: Let's start at the beginning when you don't know which
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Speaker 2: way to turn, start over at the beginning.
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Speaker 9: Brianna makes the five hour trip from Brian College station
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Speaker 9: home to Laredo to spend Thanksgiving with her mom, Stephanie,
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Speaker 9: and two younger brothers, are Moni and Giovanni, taking her
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Speaker 9: siblings to see Wicked before she makes the drive back
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Speaker 9: to Central Texas for the UTA and M game.
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Speaker 10: Brianna plans to tailgate with friends and spend the night
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Speaker 10: in Austin at a friend's apartment in the twenty one
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Speaker 10: Rio high rise just off the west side of campus.
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Speaker 1: We know that her mother, Stephanie Rodriguez, and she Brianna,
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Speaker 1: her daughter, Brianna Aguilar, very very close. They texted, they
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Speaker 1: called all day long.
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Speaker 2: This is the woman that has steered her daughter from
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Speaker 2: birth all the way to a Texas A and M
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Speaker 2: honor student at age nineteen, she's already getting set to
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Speaker 2: take her lsat the law school SAT test. She's about
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Speaker 2: to graduate at this young age because she's so smart,
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Speaker 2: an honor student plus cheer later at United High School.
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Speaker 2: But suddenly, out of the blue, for the first time ever,
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Speaker 2: when Mom tries to call, she can't get through.
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Speaker 11: Someone also put her phone unge and not disturb, which
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Speaker 11: my daughter never does on this she's in class or
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Speaker 11: studying for ant exam.
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Speaker 3: Stephanie expects Brianna to have her location on and answer
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Speaker 3: texts when she's out, but hours into the tailgate, Stephanie
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Speaker 3: has to push through do not disturb to reach Brianna,
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Speaker 3: and texts go unanswered. Brianna's location shows her near a creek.
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Speaker 3: Stephanie calls Austin PDE to report Brianna missing, asking them
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Speaker 3: to look for her at the phone location. The officers
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Speaker 3: say they won't investigate until twenty four hours have passed.
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Speaker 3: Stephanie spends the rest of the night trying to get
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Speaker 3: a hold of Brianna and her friends.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the panic that Mom felt, first time ever?
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Speaker 2: Her daughter will not answer the phone, will not answer text, nothing,
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Speaker 2: joining me right now. A very special guest It's Josephine Nova.
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Speaker 2: This is Brianna's grandma, Miss Nova.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for.
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Speaker 2: Being with us, Thank you, thank you, Miss Nov. I
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Speaker 2: do not believe that Brianna had an accident. I do
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Speaker 2: not believe Brianna committed suicide. I don't believe it. Tell
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Speaker 2: me when you first learned that nobody could find Brianna,
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Speaker 2: she was not answering the phone.
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Speaker 12: We started looking for her. Brianna was raised with us,
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Speaker 12: with an younger daughter and myself. Due to the fact
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Speaker 12: that my daughter, Stephanie, her mom, Brianna's mom at a
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Speaker 12: very early age. She was continuing with her education and
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Speaker 12: having to work to raise her child, being a single mother.
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Speaker 12: So how are we not going to care about Brianna.
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Speaker 12: Brianna was very smart, talented, a good girl, never had
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Speaker 12: any problems with her. We spend the Thanksgiving together before
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Speaker 12: she left the following morning to Austin. She was really happy,
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Speaker 12: she was really excited. She was going to go have
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Speaker 12: fun with her friends over there. At the tailgate, we
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Speaker 12: encouraged her not to go. She insisted that she wanted
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Speaker 12: to go. She wanted to go have fun, but Stephanie
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Speaker 12: had doubts about two of her friends. That she never
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Speaker 12: liked those two friends because probably maybe Stephanie in her
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Speaker 12: heart she felt something. But then again Brianna wanted to
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Speaker 12: be with her with them too, So then I told her, please,
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Speaker 12: Danny that drive safety like I would always and I
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Speaker 12: would always give her my blessings and you know, give
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Speaker 12: her a lot of good advice and all of this.
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Speaker 12: So she was a happy girl. She had a lot
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Speaker 12: of future. She had everything she had. She she did
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Speaker 12: not need anymore. She had anything that she wanted. I
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Speaker 12: would never say no to no to none. Her mother
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Speaker 12: gave her pay for her rent bills. I mean she
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Speaker 12: she was very happy about it. She would never commit
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Speaker 12: to us. I never had intentions of doing such a thing.
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Speaker 12: She was very happy, she was succeeding. She was happy
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Speaker 12: because she was going to get a ring in May
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Speaker 12: and graduate in December and moved towards law school in
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Speaker 12: New York. We were giving her all the support that
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Speaker 12: she needed. So no, we do not believe that this
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Speaker 12: was an accident. Now a lot of things are coming out,
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Speaker 12: like this morning, I heard a passer by saying that
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Speaker 12: she was passing by, and he heard loud, loud, like
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Speaker 12: somebody was fighting, loud voices. So there was a fight,
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Speaker 12: and I always said there was a fight and somebody
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Speaker 12: had to push her. And those girls had a lot
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Speaker 12: of envy. They would always envy Brianna because she had
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Speaker 12: a nice car, she would dress up with expensive clothes,
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Speaker 12: she had everything. She had no thoughts of coming in suicide. No,
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Speaker 12: that is not true. And yes we need answers and
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Speaker 12: we want.
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Speaker 1: Answers, miss Nova.
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Speaker 2: Yes, miss Nova, I found the same thing that you heard,
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Speaker 2: and we have it to play for you. I want
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Speaker 2: you to hear what this witness says he heard that night.
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Speaker 13: From what I heard, it sounded like somebody was being
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Speaker 13: taken advantage of and there was a party going on
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Speaker 13: around her, and like nobody cared. I walk around the corner,
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Speaker 13: I get on Real Grande.
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Speaker 5: I hear a girl Sam check.
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Speaker 14: Out and then it was like it was like a
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Speaker 14: muffled like scream at the top of her lungs. It
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Speaker 14: was like almost as if like you know that sound
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Speaker 14: when like somebody put a pillow or something over your mouth.
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Speaker 4: That's what I heard.
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Speaker 2: We found that it's from j Pizzle on TikTok, and
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Speaker 2: I believe that is what missus Nova is referring to.
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Speaker 2: You know, I want to go very quickly to a
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Speaker 2: special guest. In addition to Brionna's grandma joining us, missus Nova,
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Speaker 2: Phil Waters is with me former homicide detective in Texas
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Speaker 2: with Houston p D President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations and Security.
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Speaker 1: Phil, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: When I judge a witness's credibility, whether I'm going to
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Speaker 2: put them under oath on the stand in the case
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Speaker 2: I am prosecuting, in the case I believe in, I
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Speaker 2: look at their credibility.
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Speaker 1: I judge their veracity, their.
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Speaker 2: Demeanor, because I would have know that I believe them
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Speaker 2: before I ask a jury to believe them.
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Speaker 1: And what I found interesting.
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Speaker 2: Here is the way he described in rich detail the
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Speaker 2: scream that he heard. He compares it, he quotes it,
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Speaker 2: he even gives his address when I turned on to
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Speaker 2: Rio grand It's extremely rich in detail, and his demeanor
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Speaker 2: as if he is reliving what he.
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Speaker 1: Heard that night.
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Speaker 15: I would just say, regarding to the witness here, and
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Speaker 15: I'm looking at this through the eyes of an objective
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Speaker 15: homicide the witness appears to be from what he is saying,
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Speaker 15: certainly sincere about what he is saying. But I don't
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Speaker 15: know the context in which he's talking about. I don't
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Speaker 15: even know if he's talking about this particular.
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Speaker 2: Anth to them, So you know, okay, you know what,
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Speaker 2: let's narrow that down there.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Alex Keno was joining us out of Laredo, which she
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Speaker 2: is taking center stage here. She's the assistant news director
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Speaker 2: kg NSTV. Alex, that witness is talking about what he
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Speaker 2: heard the night before her body was found, when she
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Speaker 2: would have been at that party at that after that tailgate.
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Speaker 1: In that location.
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Speaker 2: Alex, why is Austin p D saying there's no foul
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Speaker 2: play when they don't even have a cod and what
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Speaker 2: happened to all the friends? And why did Austin p
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Speaker 2: D wait a full day before they interviewed the friends.
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Speaker 16: We actually spoke to Brianna's mother, Stephanie, and she had
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Speaker 16: met to eye with the detective or the investigator in
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Speaker 16: the case, and they couldn't give her answers at that time.
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Speaker 16: She said there was a group of people that witness
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Speaker 16: seeing her daughter going into that building and those same
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Speaker 16: people went out without her daughter, so she is still
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Speaker 16: looking for answers. They basically told her there was a
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Speaker 16: geometric system that wasn't working that day. They were eyeballing,
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Speaker 16: quote unquote. That's what she told us on the record
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Speaker 16: of the distance of where her daughter fell, quote unquote.
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Speaker 16: So there was just a lot of uncertainty with this,
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Speaker 16: with this case, and she is from Laredo, so everyone
21:38
Speaker 16: on social media here is talking about it. She is
21:42
Speaker 16: very well known. Her family is getting a lot of support.
21:46
Speaker 16: We also got a word from Congressman Hendrik Wayat. He's
21:50
Speaker 16: looking into it. He's keeping an eye on what's the
21:53
Speaker 16: developments of this case. So that's what we know as
21:56
Speaker 16: of now. And I know that Brianna's mother, Stephan is
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Speaker 16: just doing what everyone is doing right now, which is
22:03
Speaker 16: trying to get answers for her daughter.
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Speaker 11: The detective called me telling me that my daughter had
22:09
Speaker 11: been found in a more disease.
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Speaker 4: I was in disbelief.
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Speaker 11: I yelled, I shouted.
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Speaker 7: I told the officer that it wasn't true.
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Speaker 17: That he was lying to me.
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Speaker 12: It was just devastation to the max.
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Speaker 11: My daughter was not suicidal.
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Speaker 7: She loved life.
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Speaker 11: She wanted to graduate, she wanted to become an attorney.
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Speaker 11: Like there was never one ounce of her that was
22:30
Speaker 11: ever sad in that manner.
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Speaker 3: Stephanie does not accept Austin Pede's assumption Brianna committed suicide. Stephanie,
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Speaker 3: a psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner, insists Brianna was excited
22:42
Speaker 3: to attend the tailgate and had a long list of
22:44
Speaker 3: future plans. Her daughter was also so afraid of heights
22:48
Speaker 3: she wouldn't ride roller coasters on the Tier Team Senior
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Speaker 3: trip to Disney World. Stephanie believes one of her fourteen
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Speaker 3: friends Brianna was with that night knows what happened to her.
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Speaker 12: Would not jump off a seventeen story buildings. She wouldn't.
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Speaker 11: She was afraid of heights, and the and the measurements
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Speaker 11: don't add up. So I need someone to take accountability.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at w o A I and
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Speaker 2: director Kate g n STV in Texas. Tell me about
23:25
Speaker 2: the tailgate party. What happened after the tailgate party ended?
23:30
Speaker 2: How did fourteen people end up back at the Rio
23:35
Speaker 2: apartments and no one noticed brie was missing?
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Speaker 16: Well, I can just tell you what Stephanie told us,
23:45
Speaker 16: which is Brianna's mother. She said that she was trying
23:49
Speaker 16: to contact her daughter and she said, hey, how's it going,
23:53
Speaker 16: what's going on? All she knows is that she was
23:56
Speaker 16: waiting for her to answer her back. This was before
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Speaker 16: six pm. This is on that Friday. Then afterwards she
24:03
Speaker 16: was waiting after the game. This is Stephanie's mom. Again,
24:07
Speaker 16: didn't hear from her. All she knows is that she
24:10
Speaker 16: saw her daughter, or witnesses saw her daughter going into
24:14
Speaker 16: this building and those same individuals came out without her daughter.
24:17
Speaker 16: That's what she told us at that time. There was
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Speaker 16: a geometric system that was broken and that we're eyeball
24:23
Speaker 16: in the distance when her daughter fell from the seventeenth floor.
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Speaker 2: Joscott Morgan, what is the geometric system Austin PD seemingly
24:30
Speaker 2: is talking about.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking that they're probably referring to potentially something
24:36
Speaker 5: that's referred to as a Phaoh system FARO, which actually
24:41
Speaker 5: maps a scene and it can do high end calculations.
24:45
Speaker 5: We're talking and when you're talking about a fall, particularly
24:47
Speaker 5: from this height, we're talking about higher level math here,
24:51
Speaker 5: specifically trigonometry. The idea where you have to calculate the
24:55
Speaker 5: distance that she would fall, also the angle that she
24:58
Speaker 5: would fall, and there are specific points that you have
25:02
Speaker 5: to measure relative to that. It strikes me as odd
25:06
Speaker 5: that Austin Austin PDE would actually say something like their
25:12
Speaker 5: system is down. They have to actually use tools like
25:17
Speaker 5: this on a daily basis. They have very high end
25:20
Speaker 5: complex crimes, right you know?
25:22
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the headline there Joe Scott
25:25
Speaker 2: is I don't need to know how quickly she feil
25:28
Speaker 2: or how far she fell, because I already know she
25:30
Speaker 2: was in the apartment on the seventeenth Flora at twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Rio High Rise.
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Speaker 2: I know that I don't need a geometric system that's
25:37
Speaker 2: on the blink to tell me that I need to
25:39
Speaker 2: find out why she went over that rail and who
25:41
Speaker 2: if anyone pushed her or threw her over. I really
25:45
Speaker 2: don't think she took a running leap and jumped over
25:47
Speaker 2: based on what Grandma is telling me.
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Speaker 1: Josephine Nova is with us MS Nova.
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Speaker 2: When did her mother, Stephanie learn that Brianna is she dead?
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Speaker 12: On Saturday? She tried to get a hold of the friends.
26:04
Speaker 12: I did too as well. She tried the police to
26:08
Speaker 12: help her find her daughter. No, there was no help,
26:11
Speaker 12: no response. She found out about her daughters, about my
26:16
Speaker 12: granddaughter's death. Like around four o'clock in the afternoon. She
26:20
Speaker 12: begged the police, offered us to go and check.
26:23
Speaker 2: The seeing police for over twenty four hours right trying
26:26
Speaker 2: to find her daughter, and they would not help.
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Speaker 12: No, they said that she had to wait a period
26:33
Speaker 12: of twenty four hours. And then she kept an insistent
26:35
Speaker 12: She never gave up. She kept an insistent calling and
26:39
Speaker 12: because she had Brianna's location on the phone, and she
26:43
Speaker 12: kept on saying, Mom, Brianna's location is showing me that
26:49
Speaker 12: that the phone is in a creek. That's when we
26:52
Speaker 12: started raising concerns and it got worse between us the family.
26:56
Speaker 12: Stephanie and I kept on a report into each other
27:01
Speaker 12: as two words. We wanted to find where Brianna was.
27:04
Speaker 12: We knew that there was a lot of friends with her.
27:07
Speaker 12: No one was answering the phone calls. And it was
27:10
Speaker 12: such a coincidence that that that then after they found out,
27:15
Speaker 12: they knew they had to know because they were all together.
27:18
Speaker 12: Why didn't they called Brianna's mom, my daughter, Stephanie. Why
27:23
Speaker 12: it was a big group and now everybody knew each other,
27:26
Speaker 12: everybody knew Brianna. Why did they did not call my
27:31
Speaker 12: daughter to let her know that Brianna was missing too,
27:34
Speaker 12: that Brianna had jumped, or that Brianna had been pushed.
27:37
Speaker 12: Everybody had it as a hush hush, and no one
27:40
Speaker 12: was answering the phone calls. Now there was a rumor
27:43
Speaker 12: someone says that they had promised each other that no
27:46
Speaker 12: one was gonna say nothing, and that that's why they
27:49
Speaker 12: were not answering the phones. No one was answering the phones,
27:53
Speaker 12: and they knew that that had happened.
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Speaker 2: Did you just say that one of them told the
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Speaker 2: others not to answer the phone nobody say anything.
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Speaker 12: Yes, that they promised each other that no one was
28:05
Speaker 12: gonna say nothing, and that's why no one was answering
28:08
Speaker 12: the phone calls.
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Speaker 2: Kenneth Trey Gobert joining us managing partner Lee Gobert and
28:17
Speaker 2: Marina He graduated Texas A and M. He is joining
28:23
Speaker 2: us from the Austin jurisdiction. I've got a lot of
28:27
Speaker 2: problems right now, and I've always been a big supporter
28:30
Speaker 2: of the Austin.
28:30
Speaker 1: PD, but not tonight.
28:33
Speaker 2: How can they say no foul play when they don't
28:37
Speaker 2: even have a cod And also what about friends that
28:42
Speaker 2: agree not to pick up the phone when the mom calls?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, there's a lesson here in the way that Austin
28:52
Speaker 18: Police Department, and again I'm generally very impressed with Austin
28:57
Speaker 18: Police Department. There's a lesson that, you know, there's something
29:03
Speaker 18: to be to be considered for mother's intuition. And when
29:08
Speaker 18: Bree's mom is calling expressing these concerns, she's doing her
29:12
Speaker 18: due diligence. She's she's noting that the phones on do
29:15
Speaker 18: not discurb. The police should have taken it much more seriously,
29:20
Speaker 18: much sooner, and unfortunately that's that wasn't the case. I'm
29:25
Speaker 18: glad to hear that they're re upping their interest in
29:28
Speaker 18: the investigation.
29:29
Speaker 10: Now listen, twelve forty seven am, Austin Police respond to
29:34
Speaker 10: a Good Samaritans report of an unconscious woman outside of
29:37
Speaker 10: the twenty one Rio high Rise. The woman is pronounced
29:39
Speaker 10: dead at twelve fifty seven am. It's not until four
29:42
Speaker 10: pm that afternoon that Stephanie Rodriguez has told her daughter
29:45
Speaker 10: Brianna Aguilera is dead. Officers first tell her Bree jumped,
29:50
Speaker 10: then say her friends don't know how Brie ended up
29:53
Speaker 10: seventeen stories below.
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Speaker 12: There's a lot of inconsistencies with the story.
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Speaker 8: He told me that they said she jumped, and then
30:00
Speaker 8: he told me that the friends said that they didn't
30:03
Speaker 8: know her whereabouts.
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Speaker 2: I would like to see every one of the friends
30:09
Speaker 2: hooked up to a polygraph, if they've got the backbone
30:13
Speaker 2: to do it. That last son was from ksat twelve
30:18
Speaker 2: And back to Josephine Nova, Brianna's grandmother joining us tonight.
30:23
Speaker 2: That's inconsistent. First they say, well, she jumped. Then they go,
30:26
Speaker 2: we didn't know where she was, we didn't know what happened.
30:29
Speaker 1: She jumped. What that's clearly inconsistent. That's a nice way
30:34
Speaker 1: of saying a lie, missus Nova.
30:38
Speaker 12: Yes, And then after that, what a coincidence that they
30:43
Speaker 12: cleaned up the apartment really quick? They were gone, everyone
30:47
Speaker 12: was gone.
30:47
Speaker 1: What do you mean they cleaned up the apartment really quickly.
30:51
Speaker 12: Yes, that's what my daughter was told. That's what Stephanie
30:54
Speaker 12: was told at that the following day they had every
31:00
Speaker 12: apartment was cleaned up. That's what they say.
31:02
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, one of the people
31:04
Speaker 1: that live there just leaves.
31:06
Speaker 12: They leave, yes, yes, yes, yes, And they were like
31:10
Speaker 12: fifteen or more than fifteen partying in that same apartment,
31:16
Speaker 12: that same place, had she Brianna got to send us
31:19
Speaker 12: pictures with some of them in the balcony when she
31:22
Speaker 12: was happy. She did not steel Hill, Sir. She did
31:25
Speaker 12: not come in suicide. She did not throw herself some
31:28
Speaker 12: there was a fight because someone some of those girls.
31:32
Speaker 12: One of those girls was jealous because she thought that
31:35
Speaker 12: the guy that she was dating, or the boyfriend or
31:37
Speaker 12: whatever was after Brianna, and they always a fight.
31:41
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment, miss Nova.
31:43
Speaker 2: I want to follow up with doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,
31:46
Speaker 2: The same doctor Bethany Marshall that started talking about Brianna
31:50
Speaker 2: maybe being bipolar, which she's not.
31:53
Speaker 1: Are you getting a.
31:53
Speaker 2: Clearer picture of what we've been talking about and why
31:56
Speaker 2: I'm so distraught tonight?
31:59
Speaker 6: I mean, I am Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Bethany, listen to this. Listen to this.
32:04
Speaker 4: Okay.
32:05
Speaker 8: Now, there was that fight that happened between my daughter
32:08
Speaker 8: and another girl, and they were all seeing in the
32:10
Speaker 8: same apartment that I have actual text messages of, and
32:14
Speaker 8: the detective just he just regarded them.
32:18
Speaker 19: Brianna's friends are questioned for the first time at one
32:21
Speaker 19: pm Saturday, more than twelve hours after she was found dead.
32:26
Speaker 19: The friends were allowed to come and go from the
32:27
Speaker 19: apartment as they pleased and had plenty of time to
32:30
Speaker 19: get their story straight. Stephanie says, the group of fourteen
32:34
Speaker 19: refuses to speak to her, and the person who lives
32:36
Speaker 19: there has now vacated the apartment.
32:39
Speaker 2: From our forensic ksat twelve, Doctor Bethany Marshall, you don't
32:43
Speaker 2: find it odd that one of the people that lived there,
32:46
Speaker 2: the one that lived there, just leaves, packs up and leaves.
32:51
Speaker 6: Reminds me of Shanquela Robinson. Remember her friends lured her
32:54
Speaker 6: to Cabo San Lucas and then she ended up dying.
32:58
Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, Jealousy and envy are two of the
33:01
Speaker 6: strongest motivators for homicide. So you think of Brianna, they
33:07
Speaker 6: were probably envious of her because she's beautiful, she has
33:12
Speaker 6: a family who supports her, she's way ahead in her academics,
33:16
Speaker 6: and also jealous. What's coming out with the grandmother is
33:19
Speaker 6: saying that that one of the girls there thought that
33:22
Speaker 6: her boyfriend was attracted to Brianna. So you have envy
33:26
Speaker 6: and jealousy, which are very strong motivators. And just like
33:29
Speaker 6: Shankalla Robinson, if you remember that story, remember the mother's intuition,
33:34
Speaker 6: she knew something had happened to her daughter, and she
33:36
Speaker 6: started to call and call those friends, got on a plane,
33:40
Speaker 6: came home and refused to take the mother's call. It's
33:43
Speaker 6: the same pattern all over again. And the fact that
33:47
Speaker 6: these girls she entered the apartment with these girls, Brianna did,
33:51
Speaker 6: but then the girls left without her. Kind of girls
33:55
Speaker 6: do not act that way. Kind of girls they watch
33:58
Speaker 6: out for their girlfriends. Of the girlfriend and disappears, they
34:00
Speaker 6: go after them, They look for them, they want to
34:03
Speaker 6: be in touch with the mother. In this case, the
34:05
Speaker 6: girl's left without her, So I'm thinking that this might
34:08
Speaker 6: be alluring her in kind of case again, especially since
34:12
Speaker 6: the mother, her mother, really Stephanie, did not want Brianna
34:15
Speaker 6: to go with these friends. Stephanie knew that something was amiss,
34:19
Speaker 6: so maybe the friends were luring her there for some
34:22
Speaker 6: foul purpose.
34:23
Speaker 10: Austin PD recovers Brionna's phone, though they haven't said where,
34:27
Speaker 10: returning the device to her grieving mother. Stephanie says her
34:31
Speaker 10: daughter's texts indicate she got into a fight with one
34:33
Speaker 10: of the other girls staying at Rio twenty one Friday night.
34:37
Speaker 10: When she highlights the texts to an officer, he tells
34:40
Speaker 10: her they are not investigating Brianna's death as a homicide.
34:43
Speaker 11: I just want them to stop saying that they're not
34:47
Speaker 11: treating this as a homicide case.
34:49
Speaker 1: Someone did something to my daughter from Wai. Doctor Bethany
34:53
Speaker 1: Marshall is exactly correct.
34:55
Speaker 2: This reminds us all of the horrific, brutal death of
35:00
Speaker 2: Shanquola Robinson.
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Speaker 1: This is what her mother told me.
35:05
Speaker 20: I told him just keep me in phone, and they
35:07
Speaker 20: did get called back, but they still saying it was alcohol.
35:10
Speaker 4: Wasn't.
35:11
Speaker 20: Later on that evening they called and seid that Shanqula
35:13
Speaker 20: had passed. And at that point my heart clumbled up,
35:17
Speaker 20: you know, just knowing my child was done and I
35:19
Speaker 20: couldn't get there to her, could not do anything.
35:23
Speaker 1: They say, the medics came, three.
35:25
Speaker 20: Medics came, and no one couldn't do anything, couldn't save I.
35:29
Speaker 17: Don't know which way to believe, you know, I believe
35:32
Speaker 17: the autos, but the so called friends, I just don't
35:36
Speaker 17: know what to say about them. I just think it
35:38
Speaker 17: was this terrible the way they've done.
35:40
Speaker 2: That was Salamanja Robinson speaking with me after the death
35:44
Speaker 2: of her daughter, Shanquola.
35:46
Speaker 1: And you saw the.
35:46
Speaker 2: Video of Shinquela being beaten by her friends till she's dead,
35:50
Speaker 2: and then when the mom tries to reach the friends,
35:54
Speaker 2: they are gone, some of them. Even moving sounds familiar,
35:59
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Sydney Summer.
36:01
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it sounds extremely familiar. We don't know how this
36:07
Speaker 7: beautiful po ed ended up seventeen floors below, and none
36:13
Speaker 7: of her friends knew that she was gone. They first
36:17
Speaker 7: tell police she jumped, then they say they don't know
36:20
Speaker 7: what happened to her. A bystander had to find her
36:24
Speaker 7: body and alert the police. It's horrible that we're seeing
36:30
Speaker 7: this happen again and again and again with people who
36:34
Speaker 7: are supposed to be friends. It doesn't make any sense.
36:38
Speaker 1: And we already are hearing Sydney that they quote.
36:42
Speaker 2: Promised each other no one would pick up the phone
36:44
Speaker 2: when the mom calls. Can you imagine what that mom
36:47
Speaker 2: is living through right now? And here's another case where
36:53
Speaker 2: the parents of a murdered girl desperately seeking answers and nobody.
36:59
Speaker 1: Will pick up the phone. Does the name Gabby Petito
37:03
Speaker 1: ring a bell? Because I will never forget it.
37:06
Speaker 4: I'm asking for help everyone at home. I'm asking for help.
37:09
Speaker 15: From the parents of Brian, and I'm asking for help
37:14
Speaker 15: of the family members and friends of the Laundry family
37:18
Speaker 15: as well.
37:19
Speaker 11: We were having this issue of trying to get her
37:21
Speaker 11: reported missing.
37:23
Speaker 1: We tried to call the laundries.
37:26
Speaker 20: We had a friend in insurance who kind of got
37:29
Speaker 20: in trouble who gave us their phone numbers because we
37:31
Speaker 20: did not have their phone numbers.
37:33
Speaker 6: We were having this issue of trying to get her
37:35
Speaker 6: reported missing.
37:36
Speaker 4: Again for the laundry silence. The laundries did not help
37:42
Speaker 4: us find Gabby.
37:43
Speaker 11: They're sure is not going to help us find Brian.
37:47
Speaker 15: Let you bother you that Gabby was strangled, but your
37:52
Speaker 15: son involved in strangling Gabby.
37:55
Speaker 1: That from Fox five, Fox ten, Fox Digital.
37:58
Speaker 2: And you also heard mister Potito speak missus Potito speaking
38:03
Speaker 2: to us at crime Con.
38:05
Speaker 1: They begged and begged and begged.
38:08
Speaker 2: They couldn't even get a return phone call, a text
38:10
Speaker 2: and email from the Laundry family. Is they searched for
38:13
Speaker 2: Gabby and searched for answers to Kenneth Trey. Gober Trey,
38:21
Speaker 2: your high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction.
38:25
Speaker 1: Why won't the friends pick up the phone when.
38:28
Speaker 2: Brianna's mother is desperately calling looking for answers.
38:33
Speaker 18: Yeah, we could speculate on that. I mean, obviously, if
38:37
Speaker 18: they feel exposure that they could have some criminal culpability,
38:42
Speaker 18: that would be a reason why they wouldn't want to
38:45
Speaker 18: talk about it. You know, hopefully they are talking with
38:50
Speaker 18: law enforcement and law enforcements just protecting the quality of
38:54
Speaker 18: the investigation releasing a lot of information. Unfortunately, we don't
38:58
Speaker 18: have any reason or way to know one way or
39:02
Speaker 18: the other other than initially report. The police were treating
39:06
Speaker 18: this as no suspicion circumstances of Balclay.
39:10
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, it looks like a rat, It smells
39:15
Speaker 2: like a rat, It squeaks like a rat.
39:18
Speaker 1: I smell a rat.
39:20
Speaker 2: Everything is wrong here, and I'm extremely disappointed in the
39:23
Speaker 2: Austin p D for blurting out no suspicious circumstances.
39:28
Speaker 6: You know, that was so premature because they have no
39:30
Speaker 6: way to know. You know, remember with the Coburger quadruple
39:34
Speaker 6: homicide that Bethany and Dylan, the surviving roommates, were desperate
39:39
Speaker 6: to talk to the police when they got there. They
39:41
Speaker 6: had all kinds of information they wanted to tell them.
39:44
Speaker 6: They wanted to debrief from the traumatic experience. And you
39:48
Speaker 6: can trast that with these so called friends a Brianna
39:52
Speaker 6: who clam up and decide they're not going to return
39:55
Speaker 6: the mother's calls and are sort of seem like they're
39:58
Speaker 6: getting their story together. I hold my theories lightly. I
40:02
Speaker 6: don't make up my mind right away about what's going on,
40:05
Speaker 6: and I would hope that the PD there does the same,
40:07
Speaker 6: that they would maybe have a theory about what happens,
40:10
Speaker 6: but hold it lightly until they have a chance to
40:13
Speaker 6: investigate and get to the bottom of this.
40:16
Speaker 2: To Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator or star of Body
40:20
Speaker 2: Bags of Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, throw me a bone,
40:26
Speaker 2: what is our best hope? Is there anything that can
40:30
Speaker 2: be learned from the autopsy at this juncture?
40:34
Speaker 1: What's the problem?
40:36
Speaker 4: Oh?
40:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's plenty to be learned from the autopsy Nancy. Hopefully,
40:42
Speaker 5: layer by layer they can begin to try to understand
40:46
Speaker 5: what kind of trauma she may have undergone prior to
40:50
Speaker 5: going over that rail. Now that's a very delicate process
40:54
Speaker 5: and it does take time. The other piece to this
40:57
Speaker 5: is I want to make sure that they do a
41:01
Speaker 5: very thorough job on toxicology. One of the things that
41:04
Speaker 5: I'm very concerned about in this case is that if
41:08
Speaker 5: there was alcohol involved, was there anything that had been
41:12
Speaker 5: slipped to her to facilitate this? As you stated earlier,
41:16
Speaker 5: the odds of her throwing herself over that rail are
41:20
Speaker 5: kind of small, right, So would she have been inebriated
41:25
Speaker 5: or compromised in some way that someone could have gotten
41:28
Speaker 5: their hands on her. We need to explore every single.
41:31
Speaker 2: Average crime stories with Nancy Gray.
41:42
Speaker 1: Too, Josephine Alva joining us. This is Brianna's grandmother. You
41:46
Speaker 1: stated that she was happy, she was looking forward to
41:50
Speaker 1: the tailgate party, looking forward to the game, had her
41:54
Speaker 1: clothes all picked out that she was going to wear.
41:58
Speaker 1: That's a lot of future planning.
42:00
Speaker 2: People that want to commit suicide are not planning a feature,
42:03
Speaker 2: They're planning a way to commit suicide. I'm not buying it.
42:08
Speaker 2: Tell me her state of mind, missus Nova. When she
42:13
Speaker 2: left for that tailgate.
42:14
Speaker 18: Party, she did not jump.
42:17
Speaker 12: Someone pushed her. It had to be someone within those
42:21
Speaker 12: two girls, one of them, I don't know which one
42:24
Speaker 12: was it, but it was jealous of her, and she
42:27
Speaker 12: took One of them took pictures of Brianna when a
42:31
Speaker 12: guy had his arm around Brianna's shoulder and sent those
42:35
Speaker 12: pictures too, Brianna's boyfriend in Lovelo. That's how the fight started.
42:40
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, that night, Brianna was
42:43
Speaker 2: texting her mom telling her about the argument with the
42:49
Speaker 2: so called friends.
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Speaker 1: She was upset about the argument, how mean they were
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Speaker 1: being to her.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the mom had a premonition for Brianna not
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Speaker 2: to go with these friends to the tailgate. Why won't
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Speaker 2: Austin PD listen to the mom? Because we are Phil Waters.
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Speaker 2: What should Austin PD be doing right now?
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Speaker 15: I'm sure what they are doing is they're continuing the investigation. Look,
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Speaker 15: this is only four days after this incident occurred, and
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Speaker 15: I think it's a big presumption the information we're getting
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Speaker 15: now from the mother. I understand it, but again, I'm
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Speaker 15: looking at this from a homicide top of you, and
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Speaker 15: I'm telling you these detectives are going to have to
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Speaker 15: finish the investigation.
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Speaker 4: And a big part of it, one of your other
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Speaker 4: panel members.
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Speaker 15: Has already alluded to, is that the TOTS tests to
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Speaker 15: come back are going to be I think they're going
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Speaker 15: to clarify a lot of things in terms of her
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Speaker 15: state at the time that this occurred. I've worked the
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Speaker 15: case very similar to this. A young lady went over
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Speaker 15: railing at a hotel and there were certain circumstances that
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Speaker 15: very suspicious. Later determined that it was an accident. So
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Speaker 15: I think part of the problem here is we're attatching
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Speaker 15: this term suicide to this.
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Speaker 4: She makes it more painful for the family anytime that
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Speaker 4: kind of a term is attached to an investigation like this.
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Speaker 15: Right now, it's a suspicious death investigation and they're trying
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Speaker 15: to determine what happened.
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Speaker 2: You are comparing Brihanna's death to a case you once investigated.
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Speaker 2: You stated that in your case that you investigated, it
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Speaker 2: was an accident.
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Speaker 1: In that case, was the rail over four feet high?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 1: And how was there an accident? She certainly the victim
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Speaker 1: certainly didn't trip over it. If it's that tall, how
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Speaker 1: was there an accident?
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Speaker 15: Well, in this particular case, she was highly in topicated.
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Speaker 15: He gone back to the room with a co worker.
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Speaker 15: He was highly intoxicated. They were in the midst of
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Speaker 15: what they were doing in an intimate way, and at
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Speaker 15: some point in time she sat on the railing.
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Speaker 1: And there you go.
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Speaker 2: So you're telling me that that victim was having sex
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Speaker 2: on a balcony rail and fell Off.
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Speaker 1: I think it's what you're communicating.
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Speaker 4: Is that right, That's what the evidence showed.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that has no similarity to Brionna's case at all,
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Speaker 2: So comparing those is dangerous. My concern is now, no
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Speaker 2: one has been charged, no one has been named a
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Speaker 2: person of interest or a suspect. But because the Austin
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Speaker 2: PD went on record and stated there's no suspicious circumstances,
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Speaker 2: if this effort does go to trial.
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Speaker 1: That's going to be defensive exhibit number one. Can't you
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Speaker 1: just hear?
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Officer that you yourself stated there's nothing suspicious here?
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Speaker 1: Didn't you say that? But yet now you want a
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Speaker 1: jury to believe it was a homicide. That's going to
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Speaker 1: be stated. That's going to be defense exhibit number one,
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Speaker 1: isn't it?
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Speaker 15: Phil Well, I think we're making a big leap there, Nancy,
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Speaker 15: with all due respect, but I will tell you that
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Speaker 15: it's it's it is as similar as the comparison to
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Speaker 15: these other cases.
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Speaker 4: That you've just put up here.
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Speaker 15: Uh So, I just think each case is unique to itself,
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Speaker 15: and while there are similarities to other cases, I think
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Speaker 15: we need to concentrate on this one.
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Speaker 4: We need to let the evidence lead us to where
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Speaker 4: we need to be.
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Speaker 1: And it's always that you brought up a girl having
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Speaker 1: sex on a railing. The case is.
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Speaker 2: Weird using to speak to moms.
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Speaker 15: What I'm trying to get across here is is that
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Speaker 15: I have worked a Devilaer case where you had a
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Speaker 15: young lady.
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Speaker 4: Who went over a rate and it was an accident.
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Speaker 4: Those were the circumstances that are which had occurred.
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Speaker 15: Now what we have here in this case is we've
47:09
Speaker 15: got at least fourteen or fifteen people in an apartment
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Speaker 15: celebrating or actually I guess they're A and M people,
47:17
Speaker 15: so they're not celebrating the loss to Texas. You've got
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Speaker 15: one hundred and three thousand people attending that particular game.
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Speaker 4: They've all been partying.
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Speaker 15: We don't know what the level of intoxication was among
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Speaker 15: all these people. There's a lot of things we don't know,
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Speaker 15: And the information that we're getting is mainly from the mother,
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Speaker 15: and she is trying to communicate what she was told
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Speaker 15: by Austin TV. Now we all know that the more
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Speaker 15: of these stories get told, the more convoluted they get.
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Speaker 15: So I'm not trying to criticize anybody here except for
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Speaker 15: the fact that I think we need.
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Speaker 4: The investigation company.
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Speaker 1: Well said they'd come out and said there's nothing, but
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Speaker 1: I found a lot suspicience.
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Speaker 15: Has Austin PED made a press release a formal statement
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Speaker 15: saying that or is this what the mother is saying?
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Speaker 1: That Austin PD told to Sidney some rejoining US Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter, where's that coming from? That Austin PD
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Speaker 1: says we're not investigating this as a homicide.
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Speaker 7: Multiple statements from the department. They even updated a statement
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Speaker 7: after all of this outrage confirming that they are still
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Speaker 7: not investigating this as a homicide. They say there are
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Speaker 7: no suspicious circumstances and that this is a simple death investigation,
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Speaker 7: which just makes no sense.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so Phil, it is from the Austin PD.
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Speaker 2: It's not the mom Brihanna's mom having some hysterical fit
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Speaker 2: and making up something.
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Speaker 1: It's from Austin PD. They are the ones that says
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Speaker 1: there's no suspicious circumstances, all.
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Speaker 15: Right, And Austin PD is telling you what they are investigating,
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Speaker 15: which is this is what we call it a suspicious.
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Speaker 4: Death investigation or a death investigation. That's what they are doing.
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Speaker 15: Now, if the end of this investigation, something a piece
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Speaker 15: of evidence occur, then you not this that changes direction
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Speaker 15: of the investigation, then that will reveal it, and that
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Speaker 15: will send that that way. But at this point in time,
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Speaker 15: the detectives are telling everyone that what they have right
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Speaker 15: now is a death investigation and they're going to continue
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Speaker 15: that way. It doesn't mean that they're not They're not
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Speaker 15: going to go, oh wow, we've got a piece of
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Speaker 15: evidence here that now sending us in a murder investigation.
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Speaker 4: That's not what they're saying.
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Speaker 15: They're saying at this point in time, the evidence that
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Speaker 15: they have is not leading them to a murder. It's
49:49
Speaker 15: leading them to a death investigation, and they want to
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Speaker 15: find out why and how she ended.
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Speaker 4: Up on the pavement on the twenty ninth of November.
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Speaker 2: And Sidney, what exactly were the words from Austin PD.
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Speaker 2: What exactly did they say, because it doesn't sound like
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Speaker 2: what he just said.
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Speaker 7: They say there is no indication of suspicious circumstances, and
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Speaker 7: they update that to say there is no evidence to
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Speaker 7: suggest or support any suspicious or criminal circumstances. That is
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Speaker 7: the language of their statement. They do not believe anyone
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Speaker 7: else was involved in Breonna's death.
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Speaker 2: New York Control Room, could you please send a copy
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Speaker 2: of tonight's program to Austin PD. I'm hearing you, yes,
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Speaker 2: so maybe we can help them find the same suspicious
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Speaker 2: circumstances that we have found and that her grandmother has found,
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Speaker 2: and that her mother has found. You know what, It
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Speaker 2: is a sad state when the mother can't grieve for
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Speaker 2: her daughter because she is trying to solve her death.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.
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Speaker 2: About the death of this beautiful young Texas A and
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Speaker 2: m co ed Brianna Aguilera, please call Texas Crime Stoppers
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Speaker 2: five one two for seven two eight four seven seven tonight.
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Speaker 2: Please join us in our prayers for Brianna's family as
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Speaker 2: they search.
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Speaker 13: For the truth.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.