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The Buffet with Chad and Scooch, Episode 29 - Featuring Paul Lo Duca & Jason Sobel · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side
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Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move.
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Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when
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Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's
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Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the Buffet with
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Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at buffet. Hello,
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Speaker 1: welcome to a very very special Buffet podcast with Chat
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Speaker 1: and Scoog. Because sitting closer to me than I even
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Speaker 1: usually sit to my own wife right now, you can
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Speaker 1: hear the laugh in our Action Network h Q at
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Speaker 1: Action Network HQ on Twitter, in our new headquarters, in
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Speaker 1: our new studio, sitting next to me on a visit
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Speaker 1: to New York, Mr Bob Scucci from the Board gaming
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Speaker 1: books and New Orleans in the state of Nevada. What's
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Speaker 1: going on brother? The nice digs here. I like it.
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Speaker 1: It's fun, right yeah, city, I mean, I can see
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Speaker 1: why you're so excited. It said. Listen, we have a
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Speaker 1: massive The show today is killer, because it really is.
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Speaker 1: Because later on the show, Jason Sobel and Paula Duca
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Speaker 1: come on together and in addition to generally ripping me.
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Speaker 1: Although Sobel wasn't listening, to that part, Um Sobel tells
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Speaker 1: a great story about when Phil Mickelson took him for
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Speaker 1: some money at a party uh uh five years ago
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Speaker 1: this weekend, um at the Wells Fargo tournament that opens
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Speaker 1: on Thursday that Jason Sobel is covering for Action Network.
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Speaker 1: That story is on Action network dot com. Leaduca posted
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Speaker 1: a story yesterday on Action network dot com about the
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Speaker 1: time he was in the Marlin's dugout when he found
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Speaker 1: out he won eighty thousand dollars on Jockomo in the
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Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby and like all the stuff that was happening
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Speaker 1: around him when it was going on. Plus he breaks
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Speaker 1: down the derby. Honest to god, you have to listen
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Speaker 1: to these stories. They are hilariously funny um and like
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Speaker 1: so full of color and flavor about what life is
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Speaker 1: like literally inside a dugout or at a tournament in
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Speaker 1: the off hours that you never get to see. Uh.
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Speaker 1: go review, putting your questions do it all. Later on
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Speaker 1: La Duca and so will both tell great gambling stories
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Speaker 1: about the Kentucky Derby and Phil Michelson hilariously funny for
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Speaker 1: stuff we got Scooch in New York. Yeah, I am
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Speaker 1: so glad you're here. This is such a great surprise.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about. Like we can
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Speaker 1: talk about the fact well number one, we can talk
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Speaker 1: about your New York and um, which you're not allowed
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Speaker 1: to talk about, so I'm not even gonna press you
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Speaker 1: on it. Can I say how you got here? Yeah? Sure,
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Speaker 1: tell us how you got here? Like tell us tell
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Speaker 1: us your travel accommodations on the way out of here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Well we had, you know, the private car that takes
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Speaker 1: us to the hangar and the uh, well, explain to
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Speaker 1: people like who you were coming with, and like if
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Speaker 1: you're allowed to say that, and then like I don't
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Speaker 1: people don't know that you were taking a private car
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Speaker 1: to a hangar to get on something, so like you
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Speaker 1: gotta set that up. Well, we had a we had
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Speaker 1: a business trip here in New York and some other
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Speaker 1: some other regions. Just kind of routine stuff. And uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm traveling with some of the senior executives with with Boyd.
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Speaker 1: So um, you know, we have a we have a
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Speaker 1: private hangar Boyd does at the near McCarron Airport in
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. So we got the car early in the
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Speaker 1: morning on Monday to go to the hangar. And the
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Speaker 1: hangar itself is pretty nice. So you know, you hang
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Speaker 1: out there and you I love I don't know, you've
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Speaker 1: probably traveled on a private many many times. I love
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Speaker 1: how you know you get there about fifteen minutes before
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Speaker 1: you take off. That's the best. So you know, you
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Speaker 1: you just take your stuff on the plane. You're like okay,
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Speaker 1: as soon as you're ready to sit, it's wheels up
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Speaker 1: and you're ready to be ready to go. So um,
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Speaker 1: it was. It was a nice jet. You know if
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Speaker 1: a Falcon two thousands, is it like buttery leather seats? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And like what is the food like? So, so the
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Speaker 1: the food is kind of you know, we have our
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Speaker 1: chefs at the UH at the Orleans. They prepare special
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Speaker 1: meals and faco exactly why I didn't have the battered flacco.
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Speaker 1: There was you know, some steak and lobster there, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't have that. I was trying to I was
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Speaker 1: trying to go a little healthy and like I have
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Speaker 1: fruit and then basically you know, a turkey rap, you know,
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Speaker 1: with avocado. I was going, I was going, are you
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Speaker 1: kidding me? Like going here in the hangar and like
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Speaker 1: they're making steak and lobster, and that's when you decide
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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna go with the fruit cup and maybe
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Speaker 1: a you know, some deli turkey. You know, I like
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Speaker 1: to travel light and know I'll indulge once I'm in
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Speaker 1: the city and just little bit more. You know, you
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Speaker 1: don't know if there might be a bumpy flight. You
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Speaker 1: have no idea your your belly is a little sensitive.
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Speaker 1: It can get you know that. That's the one thing
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Speaker 1: about you know, the smaller planes, I mean the only
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Speaker 1: seats eight people on the on the jets. So you
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Speaker 1: guys don't know this, But right now I'm contending to
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Speaker 1: play a violin for Scooch because it's so sad that
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Speaker 1: his belly can get sensitive on a bumpy flight from
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas to New York. When he's flying on a
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Speaker 1: falcon too. I mean, you go over the Rockies, you know,
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Speaker 1: it gets and it gets a little rocky over the Rockies,
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Speaker 1: so you know you gotta gotta make sure you're not
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Speaker 1: eat too much. Yeah, but once you get up to
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Speaker 1: you know, about forty feet, it's just like clear sale.
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Speaker 1: So that was that was nice. Of course I got in.
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Speaker 1: We got in and it was raining, so you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not used to not used to that. Well, normally
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Speaker 1: you live in a bubble of Italian villas and private
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Speaker 1: jets and private cars, so the rain doesn't even touch you.
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Speaker 1: So we had the car. We actually uh flew into
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Speaker 1: one of the airports and Jersey, Yeah, that's where they
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Speaker 1: do all the private stuff. And then took the car
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Speaker 1: into the city and uh, like I said, point, I
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Speaker 1: traveled like this. You know, he's wearing like a nice shirt,
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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, nothing heavy, And it was like forty
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Speaker 1: nine degrees and windy and rainy. As soon as I
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Speaker 1: got out of the just hit me like right, welcome
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Speaker 1: to the East Coast. Yeah, not today today is nice
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Speaker 1: beautiful like they degrees outside, hey speaking beautiful. Last night
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Speaker 1: the Calves came back and they beat their Raptors in overtime.
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Speaker 1: They were like three horrible bad beats in baseball. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw that or not. Like there
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Speaker 1: was an under five in the Nationals game, where like
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Speaker 1: the total in the first five innings was under five
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Speaker 1: and it was to nothing in the bottom of the
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Speaker 1: fifth and I think there were two outs. There was
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Speaker 1: like an air a walk to the picture, and then
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Speaker 1: Bryce Harper came up and m like a three month
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Speaker 1: homer and so that went over. Um, you keep like,
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Speaker 1: when you're on the road, are you keeping track of
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Speaker 1: bad beats? Like that? Is it here? About that? Well?
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Speaker 1: What I'm doing, especially if I'm with the senior executives,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I have to just keep abreast. It's
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Speaker 1: like who we need and how big the decisions are. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, we're in and out of meetings a lot,
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Speaker 1: so it's real difficult. I couldn't watch the games. Were
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Speaker 1: actually in some meetings last night as well, but uh,
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Speaker 1: I was trying to keep as best as I could
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Speaker 1: tabs on the game, watching the scores, uh, reading about it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, when you're on the road like this
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Speaker 1: is difficult to to watch the games like I do
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Speaker 1: at home and actually keep track of the in progress
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Speaker 1: bedding lines and the halftime lines as as normally as
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Speaker 1: as I would normally. But we didn't have a good
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Speaker 1: day yesterday, and I can I can tell you that.
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Speaker 1: But we actually needed the calves because we had a
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Speaker 1: lot more tickets on on Toronto. We had a lot
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Speaker 1: more bets on Toronto. I mean, that's typical. We always
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Speaker 1: need an underdog, but when you get to this stage
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Speaker 1: in the in the playoffs, it it's not as lopsided
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Speaker 1: as it is and some of the earlier ounds, so um,
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Speaker 1: you know. And then in baseball we need all the
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Speaker 1: big underdogs almost every day, so uh, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of unders. There are so many games right now that
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Speaker 1: are happening, like over the next twenty four hours that
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Speaker 1: I have questions about so and they all feel like
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Speaker 1: they are bookmakers trying to take advantage of the public. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Duke and I were talking earlier this morning,
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Speaker 1: and the DUCA is on later in the show, as
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Speaker 1: I've said. And by the way, if you followed Action
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Speaker 1: Network HQ on Twitter or you went to Action Network
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Speaker 1: dot com Scooch, you would be able to keep track
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Speaker 1: of everything that's happening because we were all over like
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Speaker 1: all the bad beats, and they come back by the
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Speaker 1: by the calves and all that kind of stuff, and
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Speaker 1: they come back by the Pelicans late in the game
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Speaker 1: to cover. We were on top of that. So if
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Speaker 1: you ever need to know what's going on, you can
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Speaker 1: go to Action Network. Um So, like this is way
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Speaker 1: literally inside Baseball Dallas. Kiko is plus one or two
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Speaker 1: against Louis Severino, who's minus one twelve. The Yankees are
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Speaker 1: visiting the Astros. I look at that, and I say,
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Speaker 1: the bookmakers are begging the public to take the Yankees
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Speaker 1: because they believe the right side is the Astros. And
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Speaker 1: so tell me you're thinking, like on a line of
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Speaker 1: that sort of nuanced what is your strategy there? Well,
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Speaker 1: the betting public is actually shifted in those type of games.
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Speaker 1: You know, typically we need the underdogs in any game
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Speaker 1: where there's a favorite with a high profile favorite like
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Speaker 1: the Yankees and and and the Astros when they're playing
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Speaker 1: each other. The public seems to always find a little
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Speaker 1: bit more value in the underdog when they have two
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Speaker 1: good teams playing each other. And we've seen it in
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Speaker 1: the National Championship, seen it in the Super Bowl. They'll
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Speaker 1: take there there's a tendency in recent years in big
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Speaker 1: games and big matchups to go ahead and take the
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Speaker 1: underdog because they just feel like if they're if they
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Speaker 1: got to this point, if anyone could win the game.
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Speaker 1: So when we have a game during the regular season,
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Speaker 1: like with two of the most popular bettedt teams, uh,
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Speaker 1: we know that we're going to get a lot of
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Speaker 1: action from from the squares on the on the underdog,
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Speaker 1: but we try to keep the line as real as
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Speaker 1: we can without shading it too much. So we're, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we are inviting a little bit of money on that,
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Speaker 1: but we we know it's gonna come, so we're not
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Speaker 1: We're not fighting it. Similar question. I feel like this
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Speaker 1: turned into a very serious Yeah. But you know, I
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Speaker 1: watched the Calves Raptors game last night, and you see
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Speaker 1: that the Raptors totally fall apart, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: there's the narrative that comes up in basketball, right, the
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Speaker 1: Raptors can't beat the Calves, they Kyle Lowry can't perform
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Um, they start to crumble, and all
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is how is this line going to
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Speaker 1: his exact right? Like the game last night, the game
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Speaker 1: closed it. What was it Raptors six and a half?
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Speaker 1: I think seven, and then tonight we've got Tomorrow night
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Speaker 1: it will be Raptors. My six is what it opened at.
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Speaker 1: If the Raptors win that game, what do you open
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Speaker 1: the game out? If the Raptors win Game two? Game one?
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Speaker 1: If the Raptors win game one, what do you open
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Speaker 1: the Raptors one? Last night we opened this game at
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Speaker 1: seven and a half, so we go, we go up.
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Speaker 1: So it's a point and a half difference in value
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Speaker 1: if the Raptors win versus had they lost and they
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Speaker 1: opened it sixth right, if they win and covered, I
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Speaker 1: mean obviously you know, uh, if they just win the
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Speaker 1: game by one like that, that game went over time
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Speaker 1: and they just barely squeaked it out, we probably would
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Speaker 1: have opened the same line as as we did in
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Speaker 1: in game one. But if they win and covered, probably
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Speaker 1: would open a little higher. And we you know the zigzag,
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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about all the time, but explain
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Speaker 1: the exact people might not know what it is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So when you get to the playoffs, whoever wins and
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Speaker 1: or or covers in one game, the tendency is for
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Speaker 1: the betters to go ahead and bet the opposite in
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Speaker 1: the next game, and particularly when you get I mean,
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Speaker 1: especially if they win two in a row and then
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Speaker 1: you figured they okay, they have to come back on
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Speaker 1: on the other side. So it hasn't really been panning out.
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Speaker 1: I mean if you follow the first couple, uh, first
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Speaker 1: round in the playoffs, and hasn't really panned out, especially
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Speaker 1: with the better teams like the Warriors. But it's been
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Speaker 1: the betting pattern and it kind of makes sense. You
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Speaker 1: don't want to go down oh two in a series,
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Speaker 1: and certainly don't want to go down all three in
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Speaker 1: the series. So you figure, especially if they're if the
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Speaker 1: team is getting points and they're already down a game, uh,
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Speaker 1: it makes sense to bet that team. I am so
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Speaker 1: going to go all in on the Raptors in game two.
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Speaker 1: I feel like they are a better team than they
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Speaker 1: have been in the past. I feel like they are
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Speaker 1: not going to have the kind of streak where they
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Speaker 1: go cold again like they did in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 1: And I think there's gonna be so much hype on
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Speaker 1: what the Calves did and the Raptors cratering that like,
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Speaker 1: you're never going to get better value on the Raptors
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Speaker 1: than you are a six point favorites at home in
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Speaker 1: the game two. Yeah, probably, I mean, then they really can't,
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Speaker 1: like I said, they really can't order to go down
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Speaker 1: two games in this series. And uh and then just
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Speaker 1: give all the advantage of to Cleveland going back to
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Speaker 1: come back to Cleveland. So it's a real important game.
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Speaker 1: And you want to take my action right now if
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Speaker 1: you like. Since I don't have my sports book with me,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't, you know, be across state lines
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Speaker 1: and everything. So I'll just I'll just book you. Just
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Speaker 1: you give me, will you give me? I don't know. Listen,
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Speaker 1: that's wait. Now you're on Madison Avenue. Now, hey, wait
13:27
Speaker 1: a minute. Now, you've got the rubber band around the
13:32
Speaker 1: bank roll. As they say, you know, you don't get
13:37
Speaker 1: to fly in private jets by making bad decks. Yeah,
13:39
Speaker 1: well that's true you and you fly on them all
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Speaker 1: the time. Now, So that's how I live. You know,
13:47
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a high roller. You gotta live like
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Speaker 1: a high roller. That's what I do. Um, you are
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Speaker 1: also a horse player. So let's talk a little bit
13:55
Speaker 1: about the derby. Um let's see, there is Mendelssohn. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well there's mad New Justify justifying the other co favorite
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Speaker 1: um audible, Um, I mean a lot of Pleacher Badford
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Speaker 1: and Dee Wayne Luke. I mean it's the same, the same,
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Speaker 1: same guys. I mean, you got to look for some
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Speaker 1: long shots and you know when you're bet in the Derby.
14:19
Speaker 1: I mean some of my some of my biggest Derby
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Speaker 1: wins were just basically throwing darts, you know, especially with
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Speaker 1: the big field and anything can happen, and if you
14:28
Speaker 1: got an outside post, I mean, it's it's not as
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Speaker 1: easy as it's not an easy race to handicap, especially
14:36
Speaker 1: if you're handicap and horse racing throughout the year. This
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Speaker 1: is not your typical uh race, you know, to have
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Speaker 1: that large of a field and that much energy and
14:47
Speaker 1: uh so, you know a lot of variables in there,
14:50
Speaker 1: but that's what makes it fun. What is the most
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Speaker 1: you've ever won on the Kentucky Derby? Um, not a
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Speaker 1: whole lot. Probably about seven hundred dollars. It wasn't a lot. Seriously, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't, but I don't. I don't go in and
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Speaker 1: uh well, number one, I always lose on the Derby.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I'll bet all that long shots and
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Speaker 1: throw himan throw them in trifectas and everything, but I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm not firing it on on the derby. I leave
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Speaker 1: that for my dad. He loves that. So about I
15:18
Speaker 1: don't know. Ten or twelve years ago, I was in
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Speaker 1: Vegas for a buddy's bachelor party, and this guy had
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Speaker 1: incredibly wealthy friends, and so it was like there were
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Speaker 1: ten guys crazy, crazy rich, and then me and another
15:35
Speaker 1: buddy who like and all these guys came from like
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Speaker 1: really wealthy families, like families whose companies have gone public.
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Speaker 1: Um a company. Uh, one guy his dad owned multiple
15:47
Speaker 1: professional sports teams, and um, you know, me and this
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Speaker 1: other guy just pikers, like we don't know anything, and
15:54
Speaker 1: like we're barely getting by living in New Jersey. And
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Speaker 1: these guys are at like the you know, a hundred
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Speaker 1: dollar blackjack table and at dinner dinners like a three
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar tab and they're like, let's just pick out
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Speaker 1: of a hat to see, like let's play credit card
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Speaker 1: roulette and the loser has to pay the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: And my buddy and I were like, you know, and
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Speaker 1: so um, the next morning, like everyone goes out all
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Speaker 1: night and the next morning is the derby, and I
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Speaker 1: have breakfast with Alan Boston. I get up early. I
16:22
Speaker 1: go to breakfast with Allan Boston and he's a big
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Speaker 1: horse guy, and he gives me a couple of tips
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Speaker 1: on who he likes in the derby. So I go
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Speaker 1: back and I'm talking to these guys and they read
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Speaker 1: the Odds, you know, your favorite book, and so they
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Speaker 1: knew Allan Boston, and so they're asking me what he said.
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Speaker 1: And I tell everybody what Alan Boston said about the derby,
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Speaker 1: and a couple of these guys like make bets on
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Speaker 1: what he said, including the guy whose family owned the
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Speaker 1: professional team, and uh, he made some sizeable bets on
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Speaker 1: some of the tips, and one of the bets cashed
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Speaker 1: and he won ten thousand dollars on the derby. Do
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Speaker 1: you think he like said thank you? Do you think
17:02
Speaker 1: he like was unbelievably gracious for the rest of the weekend,
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Speaker 1: like nothing. It's like it's like no one else had
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Speaker 1: helped him make the decision at all. I'm so disappointed
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Speaker 1: in that to this day, as you can see, what
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Speaker 1: do you think that guy should have done? Give me
17:21
Speaker 1: a Vegas code response for what he did? You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm looking back at some of my own Derby,
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Speaker 1: my own Derby stories, and and none of them are
17:33
Speaker 1: very good. I mean, in all the years in the
17:37
Speaker 1: sports book. I mean, I'll go back to my early,
17:41
Speaker 1: my earliest days in the sports book. I was a
17:44
Speaker 1: young supervisor. I wasn't even at the Stardust yet. I
17:47
Speaker 1: was at the Fremont and there was a there was
17:49
Speaker 1: a horse called a Razzie that had looked like a
17:52
Speaker 1: monster horse in the Juveniles and the Breeders Cup, so
17:56
Speaker 1: going into as a three year old, he was just
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Speaker 1: the clear face were to win the Derby, clear favor.
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Speaker 1: And at the time, I bet about as much as
18:03
Speaker 1: I could afford on a horse. Uh and uh. And
18:10
Speaker 1: I remember being at the counter and bet I had
18:12
Speaker 1: already bet early in the day. And when the race
18:14
Speaker 1: goes off, picture of sports book that most everyone's looking
18:19
Speaker 1: at the race, and I've got a guy at the
18:21
Speaker 1: counter begging me for a comp for a hot dog
18:25
Speaker 1: as the race is going on, and I'm just, you know,
18:28
Speaker 1: I'm trying to watch this race because I've got money
18:31
Speaker 1: on it and a lot of money for me at
18:32
Speaker 1: the time, and and this guy has just given me
18:35
Speaker 1: the hardest time about a comp. I'm like, you know,
18:37
Speaker 1: the race is on. It's the Kentucky Derby, and and
18:41
Speaker 1: and I missed the entire race because I'm talking to
18:44
Speaker 1: this guy and my horse just finished. I think he's
18:47
Speaker 1: still running now, but he's so these are kind of
18:51
Speaker 1: like my my memories of Derby's. I've never I've never
18:55
Speaker 1: had a good Derby. The only one that I really
18:57
Speaker 1: want a lot of money on was was Thunder. And
19:00
Speaker 1: the only reason I bet on him was because it
19:02
Speaker 1: was just pouring rain and I wasn't the night before,
19:04
Speaker 1: and I was trying to navigate through flooded areas around Vegas.
19:10
Speaker 1: And when I saw the name thunder Galt, I just
19:12
Speaker 1: took a shot with him and he paid fifty one dollar.
19:14
Speaker 1: So that's my best one. It's not it's not entertaining,
19:17
Speaker 1: but that's my best. That's a great story, scoos. But
19:19
Speaker 1: you didn't answer the question, which is this guy who's
19:23
Speaker 1: loaded one ten grand on a tip that I gave
19:26
Speaker 1: him and I didn't say thank you and didn't and
19:29
Speaker 1: didn't give you a cut. I don't even think I
19:31
Speaker 1: needed a cut, Like was I entitled to a cut?
19:34
Speaker 1: I was Vegas Vegas code. I mean, especially somebody gives
19:38
Speaker 1: you a horse especially if it's a tip, you gotta
19:41
Speaker 1: give him something. I mean that that that is that's
19:44
Speaker 1: an old code that's still in existence today. A matter
19:46
Speaker 1: of fact, I have to make sure some of the
19:48
Speaker 1: players in the race book don't hustle other customers, because
19:52
Speaker 1: that's the thing, you know, Like the guys are in
19:54
Speaker 1: the race book going up to some of the other
19:56
Speaker 1: customers saying, hey, I got a hot horse for you,
19:58
Speaker 1: and it may not really be a hot horse, but
19:59
Speaker 1: they're is hoping that it wins, and then they give
20:02
Speaker 1: him to give him a piece. So that's something I
20:04
Speaker 1: have to watch for the race book. But but absolutely,
20:07
Speaker 1: to answer your question, uh, you deserve a piece of that.
20:11
Speaker 1: I mean that how much do you think I should
20:14
Speaker 1: have got? I should have gotten a thousand dollars? Yeah, easy.
20:17
Speaker 1: I mean would he have wanted if you can give
20:19
Speaker 1: him the test, he would have been losing the whole weekend.
20:22
Speaker 1: He would have been laying out chips, losing, chasing bad bets.
20:27
Speaker 1: He would have known nothing. Yeah, yeah to this day.
20:31
Speaker 1: And you met him. Actually, you know my old uh
20:35
Speaker 1: college roommate who you know, very great, very wealthy guy,
20:40
Speaker 1: And I actually met with him last week and he
20:43
Speaker 1: still talks about a story thirty five years ago when
20:47
Speaker 1: we came to Vegas from college. We took a weekend
20:51
Speaker 1: and my dad gave him this hot tip the trainer
20:55
Speaker 1: from Texas. He was doing things with the bullet workouts,
20:59
Speaker 1: and he knew stuff that other people didn't know. And
21:02
Speaker 1: he said, this horse is gonna be twenty to one.
21:05
Speaker 1: Go ahead and at fifty bucks on him a hundred bucks.
21:08
Speaker 1: And and my friends still talks about this. With all
21:11
Speaker 1: the money he's got from other areas of life, he
21:13
Speaker 1: thought that that was the greatest thing ever and how
21:15
Speaker 1: much he was done, so like probably a hundred dollars
21:19
Speaker 1: und I got, you got robbed. You know what I
21:23
Speaker 1: got that day? I got a wicked sunburn. That's what
21:25
Speaker 1: I ended up getting, Like a really bad sunburn, like
21:28
Speaker 1: so bad. I remember I could barely bend my legs
21:31
Speaker 1: on the flight home. It was a misorable flight. Hume, Wow,
21:35
Speaker 1: that's horrible, it's horrible. Still friends with the guy, No,
21:39
Speaker 1: I'm friends with the guy like the Bachelor, but I'm
21:42
Speaker 1: not like the other guy. I didn't like the weekend
21:44
Speaker 1: we were there. I thought it was kind of like
21:46
Speaker 1: do she And that only confirmed it for me and
21:51
Speaker 1: so no, I'm not friends. Don't you worried he's like
21:53
Speaker 1: listening to this right now? Well, like, I remember that guy. Really,
21:58
Speaker 1: I don't think I've spoken to him in twelve years,
22:00
Speaker 1: so I don't think we're gonna reconnect. And the chance
22:03
Speaker 1: is that he's the one listening to this podcast are
22:05
Speaker 1: very very stock, I'll tell you that. Also, there's not
22:08
Speaker 1: enough Like I happen to know a lot of guys
22:10
Speaker 1: who own teams, and so they're not enough identifying because
22:13
Speaker 1: I apply private so there's not enough identifying characteristics for
22:16
Speaker 1: me to really to figure out who he is. All right,
22:20
Speaker 1: give me who you think is going to win the
22:22
Speaker 1: derby this weekend? Because I drink red wine, I'm gonna
22:25
Speaker 1: go with Vino Rosa, which is red wine. What's Ena
22:28
Speaker 1: Rosa going off that? Right now? I think twelve to
22:30
Speaker 1: one one. Listen, I'm gonna go with Ena Rosa too.
22:35
Speaker 1: What do I know? I hate going with the So
22:39
Speaker 1: you know, I've gone with so many favorites over the years,
22:41
Speaker 1: and like I said, I don't have a good track record,
22:42
Speaker 1: and one of the only ones I won was one shot,
22:46
Speaker 1: So why not I'm going with Viena Rosa. Uh, coming
22:49
Speaker 1: up next in the podcast Jason Sobel and Paula Duco
22:53
Speaker 1: with honestly the two best gambling stories about athletes and
22:57
Speaker 1: being inside the culture of sports that I have ever heard. Also, Lauduca,
23:01
Speaker 1: who is a horse racing expert, gives you his take
23:03
Speaker 1: on the derby, but mostly he was just telling a
23:05
Speaker 1: crazy freaking story. Uh. Go rate and review the podcast
23:08
Speaker 1: on the iTunes page of the buffet. Find us at
23:11
Speaker 1: Action Network HQ, go to Action Network dot com. He
23:14
Speaker 1: is Bob Scucci. Thanks for being in New York for this, buddy, Hey,
23:18
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. All right, listen up to Laduca
23:20
Speaker 1: and Sobel. As promised, we have to ridiculously fun gambling
23:28
Speaker 1: stories that have been posted on Action network dot com
23:31
Speaker 1: in the past twenty four hours, UM, that have been
23:34
Speaker 1: picked up far and wide and getting a lot of attention.
23:37
Speaker 1: And so uh, I got both of the guys who
23:39
Speaker 1: wrote those stories on the show. I got Paul Laduca.
23:43
Speaker 1: UH fan favorites. Action Network extraordinaire contributor who if people
23:51
Speaker 1: only know him as sort of MLB all star veteran catcher,
23:56
Speaker 1: UM beloved New York met and Dodger and Marlin, they
24:00
Speaker 1: don't know that he has spent the past ten years
24:01
Speaker 1: being a horse racing analyst for both tv G and
24:04
Speaker 1: Fox and New York Racing Association and The Guide. I
24:08
Speaker 1: think knows more about horse racing than he does about baseball.
24:12
Speaker 1: And he wrote a ridiculously fun story about when he
24:15
Speaker 1: won eighty grand on the Kentucky Derby and it was
24:18
Speaker 1: all happening while he was in the middle of the game.
24:21
Speaker 1: Paul's on the call, and then also Jason Sobel, who
24:23
Speaker 1: wrote a story this morning about a night five years
24:26
Speaker 1: ago today at the beginning of the Wells Fargo Tournament
24:29
Speaker 1: that begins this weekend um in which he was out
24:32
Speaker 1: with philm. Michelson with a bunch of other people at
24:34
Speaker 1: a party and everybody got taken by Phil Mickelson in
24:38
Speaker 1: what had to be a massive win from Michelson and
24:41
Speaker 1: was a series of small, uh lacking in dignity losses
24:47
Speaker 1: for everybody else inclusive, including Jason Sobel, who's on the call. Fellows,
24:52
Speaker 1: what's going on, Jason. Good to hear from you. Paul,
24:55
Speaker 1: good to hear from you. Your stories are great. They're
24:58
Speaker 1: blowing things up, PAULI there's a lot going on right
25:02
Speaker 1: now between the Derby and that story. Yeah, it was
25:05
Speaker 1: an interesting story to right And when I when I
25:09
Speaker 1: was thinking about it, I knew I wanted to write
25:11
Speaker 1: the story. I mean, I've told like some of my
25:12
Speaker 1: closest friends it. Um. And when one of my closest friends, Dave,
25:18
Speaker 1: when when you read the article, it's through his eyes,
25:20
Speaker 1: because um, I knew when I called him. I called
25:24
Speaker 1: him about a week ago and I was like, bro,
25:26
Speaker 1: I know you can tell the story just as good
25:28
Speaker 1: as me because we were in this together. I want
25:30
Speaker 1: your side of the story of you holding my ticket, uh,
25:34
Speaker 1: because I couldn't make it because the game was scheduled
25:38
Speaker 1: at a certain time right at the derby time, the
25:39
Speaker 1: Marlins decided to schedule five twenty five game uh, and
25:44
Speaker 1: I wanted to them to the readers to feel, Okay,
25:48
Speaker 1: this is where we're here, my buddy who I sent
25:50
Speaker 1: the best with. And then the story of me behind
25:53
Speaker 1: the scenes when I'm playing the game basically in the
25:56
Speaker 1: middle of the game as the Kentucky Derby's going down
25:59
Speaker 1: the back stretch. So yeah, a lot going on this
26:02
Speaker 1: first Saturday and May has always been a big thing
26:04
Speaker 1: in in our household. I'm growing up. We're gonna get
26:08
Speaker 1: to all of it. And we you know you talked
26:09
Speaker 1: about on the podcast last week when you had this
26:11
Speaker 1: phenomenal story in the podcast last week about as a
26:14
Speaker 1: twelve year old making a bet for your dad that
26:18
Speaker 1: cash at fifteen to one. It was a thousand dollar bet.
26:20
Speaker 1: You won fifteen grand. And then we're arrested as soon
26:23
Speaker 1: as you made the bet because you weren't supposed to
26:24
Speaker 1: be making it, and the ticket taker got fired, and
26:27
Speaker 1: your dad tipped her five g's because he felt bad
26:30
Speaker 1: she got fired for taking your bet. Jason, you're gonna
26:34
Speaker 1: come in. Uh, Paul's gonna tell his story in a minute,
26:37
Speaker 1: but come in and tell the Nicholson story. Since you're
26:39
Speaker 1: on site right now at the tournament, tell me about
26:43
Speaker 1: the story that you wrote today on Actual network dot com. Yeah,
26:46
Speaker 1: you want me to give you the whole story now.
26:47
Speaker 1: I can't wait here. Paul story. Actually haven't read his
26:50
Speaker 1: story yet, so I want to hear him tell his
26:51
Speaker 1: story too. I want you to. I want you to
26:53
Speaker 1: tell your story. And a reminder to everybody that, uh,
26:57
Speaker 1: they should go rate the podcast on the iTunes page
27:00
Speaker 1: for the buffet uh and they should also send in
27:04
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27:07
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27:10
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27:13
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27:17
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27:25
Speaker 1: your reviews, so and your questions to the reviews. Sorry,
27:28
Speaker 1: I'm getting distracted because in a little bit Bob Scucci
27:31
Speaker 1: is gonna come in and we're gonna record our podcast
27:33
Speaker 1: face to face, and he's texting me right now. So, UM,
27:37
Speaker 1: it distracted me. Jason, tell your story about Phil Micholson
27:40
Speaker 1: and how he took you for your money. Yeah. So
27:43
Speaker 1: this is five years ago to the day. I'm at
27:46
Speaker 1: the Quail Hollow Club for the Wells Farga Championship and
27:51
Speaker 1: being the lazy media member I am. I wait until
27:55
Speaker 1: still was out on the sixteen two, which is right
27:57
Speaker 1: behind the media center, and myself with what colleagues walked
28:00
Speaker 1: out there to say I to fail catch up with
28:02
Speaker 1: them and see him in a few weeks and we
28:04
Speaker 1: walk out there and if you ever want to talk
28:06
Speaker 1: to a professional golfer and you're covering an event, go
28:09
Speaker 1: to the back night of a Wednesday pro am because
28:11
Speaker 1: they will be more than happy to see even a
28:14
Speaker 1: member of the media. So in any case, we start
28:16
Speaker 1: walking down the Fairway and at one point Phil says,
28:19
Speaker 1: so you guys come on Saturday night. We say, what
28:21
Speaker 1: are you talking about? He said, Oh, I rented out
28:23
Speaker 1: this restaurant, uh food, drinks all on me, and then
28:28
Speaker 1: we're going to uh watch the Mayweather fight that night.
28:32
Speaker 1: Mayweather was fighting a guy named the Ghost Guerrera, who
28:35
Speaker 1: I had never heard of until I actually went back
28:37
Speaker 1: and did a little research on what exactly happened that night.
28:40
Speaker 1: So in any case, we we get there Saturday until
28:42
Speaker 1: it was tied for the leave. I've written a column
28:44
Speaker 1: on Phil Micholson ironically, uh that evening, and as soon
28:47
Speaker 1: as I finished my column, I go to a party
28:49
Speaker 1: being held and hosted by Phil Micholson and we go
28:52
Speaker 1: in there fifty six people, uh, you know, a private
28:56
Speaker 1: function and just just a nice little gathering, everyone having
28:59
Speaker 1: a up with cocktails, everyone having a little pizza from
29:02
Speaker 1: the place. I mean, you know, nothing special other than
29:04
Speaker 1: you would recognize about half people in the place PJ
29:07
Speaker 1: twour players and caddies and uh, so before the undercar
29:11
Speaker 1: is about to start for the Mayweather fight, Phil stands
29:13
Speaker 1: up in front of the room and says, look, guys, uh,
29:16
Speaker 1: the staff here is terrific. Anything you need, they'll take
29:18
Speaker 1: care of you. And just relax, enjoy yourselves, have fun.
29:21
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, wandering is encouraged. And so
29:24
Speaker 1: the first fight of the undercard comes up, and there
29:27
Speaker 1: might have been a couple of little bits here and there,
29:29
Speaker 1: just uh just for guy's gettle action, but for the
29:31
Speaker 1: most part, no one's really paying too much attention. And
29:33
Speaker 1: then the second that was about to come on, and
29:36
Speaker 1: still stands up in front of the room again says, well, guys,
29:39
Speaker 1: I know I said I wouldn't make another announcement, but
29:42
Speaker 1: got the second fight. Uh got this guy l Explode
29:46
Speaker 1: Civo is his nickname, Alexander Munio's. He has uh thirty
29:50
Speaker 1: career and knockouts. This guy has been going at it forever.
29:53
Speaker 1: This guy's held titles. UM very good fighter, and he's
29:57
Speaker 1: going against this this young kid who's moving up to
30:00
Speaker 1: weight class. He's fighting for the super bantam weight title.
30:02
Speaker 1: He's never fought in this class before, and you know what,
30:05
Speaker 1: he's an underdog, but I'm killing this kid, so I'll
30:08
Speaker 1: take any bets you've got and even money. If anyone
30:11
Speaker 1: wants to bet me, I'll take the kid. I'll take
30:12
Speaker 1: the underdog. Now here's the point where all of us,
30:16
Speaker 1: knowing Phil Nicholson, should have done a little too diligence.
30:19
Speaker 1: What we would have found is that this kid was
30:22
Speaker 1: five and oh the year before and one of the
30:24
Speaker 1: more promising boxers in the entire world. Instead, we all
30:27
Speaker 1: just raise our hands and start weaving money around, saying, sure, Phil,
30:31
Speaker 1: I'll do that. Sounds great. I'll take the favorite and
30:34
Speaker 1: even money. Why not? And so the bolt starts and
30:38
Speaker 1: it was over the minute it started. Uh. Phil's guy
30:41
Speaker 1: just started bumbling our guy. Uh through Uh A nice
30:45
Speaker 1: little combination in the first round. Again, in the second round,
30:48
Speaker 1: he's ahead on all the judges card. Finally, a minute
30:51
Speaker 1: into the fifth round he wins by technical knockout. Phil
30:55
Speaker 1: then walks around the room plucks the cash out of
30:58
Speaker 1: everybody's hands, and, as I wrote the piece, h a
31:02
Speaker 1: dumbfounded champion. He played the role very well where he
31:04
Speaker 1: walked up and people said, man, I'm really sorry about
31:07
Speaker 1: that boy. I just got lucky there, you know. I
31:09
Speaker 1: guess I was just a lucky win for me, And
31:11
Speaker 1: then I didn't think that wasn't happened and just playing
31:15
Speaker 1: the part of perfection took my took my hundred from me,
31:19
Speaker 1: and I was happy to give it to him because
31:21
Speaker 1: I still can tell the story now. It wasn't ntil
31:24
Speaker 1: I left and I was driving back to my hotel
31:27
Speaker 1: later that night when I realized Phil played all of us.
31:30
Speaker 1: Phil invited us to this restaurant, was the generous host,
31:35
Speaker 1: paid for everything, probably made double what he had paid
31:39
Speaker 1: to rent the place out for the night just on
31:41
Speaker 1: those bets alone. And knowing Phil, he probably tipped out
31:45
Speaker 1: all the profit to the white staff and wound up
31:48
Speaker 1: even for the night and wins the good Guy Award
31:51
Speaker 1: just for hosting everybody. So it is a classic Phil
31:54
Speaker 1: Nicholson story. Um, I've been waiting to tell it for years,
31:57
Speaker 1: and this being the five year anniversary of that week,
31:59
Speaker 1: I figured as a perfect fun to all that story
32:01
Speaker 1: you got snickerd by Phil Nicholson completely probably let me
32:09
Speaker 1: ask them James, did he break down the fighter before?
32:12
Speaker 1: He told you guys like he broke them down? He basically,
32:15
Speaker 1: I mean he did without giving us all of the
32:18
Speaker 1: information and that's why it was But it was such
32:22
Speaker 1: a good move by Still. I mean, you know, it's
32:24
Speaker 1: as if someone had said to you last night, Hey, uh,
32:28
Speaker 1: you know the Warriors. You know they're kind of old,
32:30
Speaker 1: and you know that they've got one of the biggest
32:32
Speaker 1: stars injured, and uh, if you guys want the Pelicans,
32:35
Speaker 1: you guys can take the Pelicans. You know, they've got
32:37
Speaker 1: maybe the best player in the NBA. It's got a
32:38
Speaker 1: dominant inside. No one can guard him. Um, if if
32:41
Speaker 1: you guys want to take the Pelicans, I guess I'll
32:43
Speaker 1: take Warriors. And it's very much as if he had
32:46
Speaker 1: sort of given you the information without giving you all
32:48
Speaker 1: of the information, and yeah, if he he kind of
32:50
Speaker 1: played down this young kid who was moving up a
32:52
Speaker 1: weight class, and you know, I guess I'll take him,
32:55
Speaker 1: you know, just just for the hell of it, just
32:57
Speaker 1: we can have some action going on. And what we
32:59
Speaker 1: all didn't realized, of course, we didn't look up this guy.
33:02
Speaker 1: Uh Leo's Santa Cruz, I believe it was his name,
33:05
Speaker 1: and he was more and more promising. I'm not a
33:07
Speaker 1: big boxing guy, but who's one of the more promising
33:10
Speaker 1: boxers out there? And apparently uh the guy showed his
33:13
Speaker 1: stuff that night, because I remember watching it, like a
33:16
Speaker 1: minute into the fight, we're looking at each other like, okay,
33:19
Speaker 1: we just lost. We knew it right away. Uh. I
33:24
Speaker 1: just love that. I love everything about that story. But
33:26
Speaker 1: there's one thing that I can't figure out. How common
33:30
Speaker 1: is it on this Saturday night of a tournament for like,
33:35
Speaker 1: for there to be a party. Probably not very common,
33:40
Speaker 1: but not uncommon either, I think still still, for whatever reason,
33:44
Speaker 1: does it in Charlotte just about every year. That's the
33:46
Speaker 1: only one that I've been to personally. Um I've covered
33:49
Speaker 1: this tournament kind of on and off over the last
33:50
Speaker 1: twelve years or so. Um, so I'm not always here.
33:55
Speaker 1: But he does it a lot. Look, especially as he
33:58
Speaker 1: was in the last pair because he was tied for
34:01
Speaker 1: the lead going into Sunday, you've got to do something
34:03
Speaker 1: sorry night to keep you busy. If you go home
34:06
Speaker 1: or back to the hotel and go to sleep at
34:08
Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night, you're gonna wake up at six
34:10
Speaker 1: in the morning with at two o'clock tea time and
34:12
Speaker 1: have no idea what to do with yourself for a while.
34:15
Speaker 1: So uh and and as I wrote the start, soil
34:18
Speaker 1: was tipping on a red wine. I don't want to
34:19
Speaker 1: make it down like this is some crazy party until
34:22
Speaker 1: it's tied to the lead and uh he's hammering down
34:25
Speaker 1: shots or anything like that. At the bar, he was
34:27
Speaker 1: sipping on a glass of red wine. It was a
34:29
Speaker 1: very sort of casual party. There was nothing out of
34:32
Speaker 1: control other than our gambling losses. I just love the idea.
34:36
Speaker 1: It's sort of the antithesis of I can tell you
34:39
Speaker 1: right now, the Super Bowl has played at what six
34:42
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, six in the evening, and nobody is
34:46
Speaker 1: like there's no casual get together the night before the game,
34:49
Speaker 1: or like all the players are hanging out so they'll
34:51
Speaker 1: sleep a little later. Like Polly, you played professional baseball
34:54
Speaker 1: at the highest level for a long time. You guys
34:56
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. You went to an NLCS, Like, tell
35:00
Speaker 1: me on the day of that, like the night before
35:03
Speaker 1: a game when the game was having a seven oh
35:04
Speaker 1: five start, What were you doing the night before? Um,
35:08
Speaker 1: you know you you could do what you wanted to.
35:11
Speaker 1: It depended, you know. I played every day, so it
35:13
Speaker 1: was different catching. Uh did I go out and have
35:16
Speaker 1: my fun on the Long Island? Yeah? I mean that
35:18
Speaker 1: was the one great thing about playing in New York
35:20
Speaker 1: when I was with the Mets or in l A
35:23
Speaker 1: is that they recognize you and they camped you in
35:25
Speaker 1: those kind of places. I can remember No. Six when
35:27
Speaker 1: we had a good Mets you know, I didn't pay
35:29
Speaker 1: for one meal on Long Island. But we used to
35:32
Speaker 1: try to keep it to once, you know, one time,
35:36
Speaker 1: one time a night, or one time a week, or
35:39
Speaker 1: if we had a Sunday night game on ESPN and
35:42
Speaker 1: we maybe go out on Saturday night, or if we
35:44
Speaker 1: had a Thursday off we got on Wednesday. We tried
35:47
Speaker 1: to keep it, you know, somewhat too you know, not
35:52
Speaker 1: too much party. And the thing is, when you play
35:53
Speaker 1: every day, you just can't do it. Now, if you're
35:55
Speaker 1: a pitcher and you're playing pitching once every five days,
35:58
Speaker 1: you could do that kind of stuff. But I mean
36:01
Speaker 1: me catching nine in the game. The perception is all
36:04
Speaker 1: guys go out and party. Guys do a lot of
36:06
Speaker 1: different things to to do stuff that might have been
36:10
Speaker 1: the case of some guys. And yeah, I'm not wasn't
36:12
Speaker 1: an angel, But most of the time you're not going
36:14
Speaker 1: out and getting slaughtered before you gotta play a game
36:16
Speaker 1: the next day. I don't even think it's like it's
36:19
Speaker 1: about getting slaughter. Like just the idea that the idea
36:24
Speaker 1: that there's a late game the next day and you
36:26
Speaker 1: don't want to be up at six o'clock in the morning.
36:28
Speaker 1: It's so an anthema to how people usually think about
36:33
Speaker 1: what you were doing the night before as an athlete.
36:35
Speaker 1: I actually I have no judgment done this, Like I
36:39
Speaker 1: actually think it's a good idea. Why not go out
36:41
Speaker 1: the night before relaxed, like get your mind off everything.
36:44
Speaker 1: I I'll never forget a story before Miguel Cabra came
36:49
Speaker 1: out with his struggles with alcohol um and he publicly
36:53
Speaker 1: said it. I played with him with the Marlins and
36:56
Speaker 1: he showed up one day. Uh, he had a one
37:00
Speaker 1: o'clock game. He showed up to the ballpark at twelve
37:03
Speaker 1: thirties and Jack McKean came up to me and said,
37:07
Speaker 1: what should we do? I gotta sit him? And we
37:09
Speaker 1: were in the middle of the playoff run. I'm like,
37:11
Speaker 1: I can't have a guy show up. I'm like, there's
37:13
Speaker 1: fifteen games left basically in the season. Jack, do you
37:17
Speaker 1: suspend them? Now? What are you gonna do? Who cares?
37:21
Speaker 1: And you know, he obviously was pisched drunk that night.
37:24
Speaker 1: I don't know, you could smell it a little bit.
37:26
Speaker 1: He had three home runs. You you tell me like
37:32
Speaker 1: I watched the guy pisched drunk kid three home runs.
37:35
Speaker 1: I also watched a guy pissed drunk kid to walk
37:36
Speaker 1: off home run one of the first articles that I played.
37:40
Speaker 1: Some guys are better. They played better intoxicated. It takes
37:44
Speaker 1: a k away the nerves or or it takes away
37:46
Speaker 1: this and that. You know, he was playing on thinking.
37:49
Speaker 1: I think mcgel thought he was having an off day,
37:51
Speaker 1: so he went out. We had a day game the
37:52
Speaker 1: next day and Jack Trader Jack was putting him in
37:55
Speaker 1: the lineup, and I remember he was like okay, and
37:58
Speaker 1: he came to the ballpark in four for four with
38:01
Speaker 1: three home runs, Like this guy is that good? So
38:04
Speaker 1: you know, I don't judge guys if they come to
38:06
Speaker 1: the ballpark drunk and they don't hit. It's like the
38:08
Speaker 1: Harvey thing. They say, oh, he pitched well, you know,
38:11
Speaker 1: it's only gonna be an issue until he pitches bad
38:14
Speaker 1: where he plays bad and they come and they show
38:16
Speaker 1: up to the ballpark drunk. You know, listen, I think
38:18
Speaker 1: everyone will tell you that I'm a much better podcast.
38:20
Speaker 1: I was drunk than sober. And as soon as I
38:22
Speaker 1: start doing drunk, I think the numbers, the numbers for
38:25
Speaker 1: this podcast are gonna rise. Let me give it. Let
38:31
Speaker 1: me give you a quick story. Uh, Monday and Tuesday
38:34
Speaker 1: are kind of the usual party nights, even like a
38:36
Speaker 1: Sunday nights. Guys are flying. A lot of guys fly
38:38
Speaker 1: private and Sunday night after a long week, I'll uh
38:42
Speaker 1: throwback few drinks on the plane. But Monday Tuesday night,
38:45
Speaker 1: you can get away with it. He was kind of
38:46
Speaker 1: easing your way into the week. So true story. Last night,
38:50
Speaker 1: I go out of a couple of buddies who worked
38:51
Speaker 1: for the SEC network here in Charlotte. So we got together,
38:55
Speaker 1: we went out and had dinner, and I'm coming back
38:57
Speaker 1: to the hotel. I get in the yellow vater um
39:00
Speaker 1: in about eleven fifteen eleven thirty last night, and there's
39:03
Speaker 1: a guy holding a drink stumbling into the elevator and
39:06
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him and he kind of smiles at me.
39:08
Speaker 1: He goes rough night. He goes, all I can tell
39:11
Speaker 1: you don't bet on Ricky and Rory this week. Look
39:14
Speaker 1: at that? Oh yeah, why is that? He goes, Oh,
39:17
Speaker 1: I was out with him tonight, and I tell you
39:20
Speaker 1: they can't recover after this. And and of course Ricky
39:24
Speaker 1: and Rarrior to the betting favorites this week. I like
39:26
Speaker 1: both of them. They've each one year at Quell Hollow,
39:29
Speaker 1: so I really like him. And I'm sitting there, of course,
39:32
Speaker 1: trying to disseminate this inflation, like do I want to
39:34
Speaker 1: listen to the guy who's stumbling into the elevator and
39:37
Speaker 1: thirty at night on a Tuesday night, And they said
39:40
Speaker 1: he kind of predictions and bets off of that. Probably not,
39:44
Speaker 1: And yet it's going to be in the back of
39:45
Speaker 1: my mind the entire week. If Rory and Ricky don't
39:48
Speaker 1: play well, come Sunday, after you I'm gonna be thinking
39:50
Speaker 1: about that guy in the elevator. I am because of
39:56
Speaker 1: that story. That's like getting a bathroom tid Milzy. It's
39:59
Speaker 1: like going to the bathroom and getting a tip on
40:01
Speaker 1: a horse. If you're at the racetrack, fortunes are made
40:09
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. That's how you win. Uh it pray
40:14
Speaker 1: that's a great story by jameson there. Because you do,
40:17
Speaker 1: you hear so many different stories, Oh, don't play on
40:19
Speaker 1: this horse, or don't bet I'm this guy. This guy
40:22
Speaker 1: was doing this, this guy was doing that. Uh, there's
40:26
Speaker 1: so many different theories and in some aspects, would you
40:30
Speaker 1: agree don't you need to handicap somewhat the handicapper. Yeah,
40:35
Speaker 1: that's a great point. And I mean, I you know,
40:37
Speaker 1: look at the source, and I mean the guy, the
40:40
Speaker 1: guy couldn't have done any better for me if I
40:43
Speaker 1: had walked up to him and said, Hi, I'm Jason
40:45
Speaker 1: Silbel of the Action Network. I'm trying to handicap this
40:47
Speaker 1: week's field. What do you think of the favorites? I
40:49
Speaker 1: mean it's almost like I set him up for the
40:52
Speaker 1: question and he's like, Oh, I got something good for
40:54
Speaker 1: you here, let me, let me, let me give it
40:56
Speaker 1: to you. I mean, the guy looked at me, has
40:57
Speaker 1: no idea why, and I'm not wearing any golf clothes
40:59
Speaker 1: or any thing like that. Uh, it just works out. Yeah,
41:03
Speaker 1: don't don't bet on Rickey and Moory this week. I mean,
41:09
Speaker 1: I think handicapping the handicapper is actually there should be
41:12
Speaker 1: like a subset for that, because you're right, like, can
41:15
Speaker 1: you trust this guy or not? Paul Tell tell the
41:18
Speaker 1: tell the story that you wrote about when you won
41:20
Speaker 1: eighty grand on the derby and and you were like,
41:23
Speaker 1: how did you make the bet? How did you decide
41:26
Speaker 1: how much money did you put down? Originally, give us
41:28
Speaker 1: the details on that, like what was it like when
41:30
Speaker 1: you're in the dugout and your buddies got this ticket
41:32
Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out if this is gonna
41:34
Speaker 1: cash or not. Well, yeah, the story goes back to
41:38
Speaker 1: it was oh five, and I became good friends. They're
41:41
Speaker 1: great friends with Mike Smith, the Hall of Fame jockey,
41:43
Speaker 1: because we lived above each other. Um. He actually went
41:46
Speaker 1: to superintendent one day and complained because our schedules are
41:49
Speaker 1: in the same so almost like golfers in and baseball players.
41:53
Speaker 1: You know, golfer's gotta be up staying with jockeys at
41:55
Speaker 1: five in the morning, and I would be up at like,
41:58
Speaker 1: you know, midnight coming home from the game means. And
42:00
Speaker 1: he was complaining I was making too much noise. We
42:02
Speaker 1: became friends. So fast forward about a year later. Gives
42:06
Speaker 1: me this horse called Jacobo in a maiden race. I
42:09
Speaker 1: bet out on the horse that day. I think I
42:11
Speaker 1: had five hundred across. I played some exact as I
42:14
Speaker 1: had made about oh five to ten thousand somewhere in
42:18
Speaker 1: that area. Now the horse was a deep closer. He
42:20
Speaker 1: had run into San Nino Derby. There's no pace in
42:23
Speaker 1: the Santa Nida Derby at all, so he needs pace
42:27
Speaker 1: to run into these horses to run into. So Mike
42:30
Speaker 1: had told me, I really feel he has a big shot. Now.
42:33
Speaker 1: I had bet futures after his maiden win in Vegas.
42:36
Speaker 1: The crazy part is the futures were less than what
42:40
Speaker 1: he paid on track that day. I think I got
42:42
Speaker 1: him at forty and forty five to one because I
42:45
Speaker 1: knew he was bred to get the Derby distance. Now,
42:48
Speaker 1: the day of the derby, the Marlins side the schedule
42:52
Speaker 1: a five games, and the Derby's about set to go off.
42:55
Speaker 1: It like it's so eight somewhere in that area. And
42:59
Speaker 1: usually know you played seven o'clock games on a Saturday,
43:03
Speaker 1: or you play at one o'clock game. This is the
43:05
Speaker 1: weirdest start time. I don't know why they decided to
43:07
Speaker 1: do it this. So now I'm I'm thinking, all right,
43:10
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss the derby. So it starts to rain, Okay, Now,
43:15
Speaker 1: I uh, you could Old Joel Robbie Stadium where the
43:19
Speaker 1: Marlins and the Dolphins used to play. You could throw
43:22
Speaker 1: a stone to the old call the race course which
43:24
Speaker 1: is now gold Stream Park West. My good friend Mike
43:27
Speaker 1: Welch and Dave will Howard we used to go over there,
43:30
Speaker 1: and and our third base coach, which was uh Coxy
43:34
Speaker 1: Greg Cox. We used to um go over there bet
43:39
Speaker 1: the races at around noon one. Back in those days
43:43
Speaker 1: you had tebow. Uh you'd go play the game, you'd
43:46
Speaker 1: go watch it. Well, it comes to Derby Day, I
43:49
Speaker 1: give all my bets to Coxy. I'm telling him, listen,
43:52
Speaker 1: this is what I want. I want, uh because I
43:56
Speaker 1: gotta be there early for the game. You know when
43:58
Speaker 1: I was catching those days and oh five, I was
44:01
Speaker 1: had a bad hamstring, so I had to be there
44:03
Speaker 1: I think at noon. I was usually there are five
44:05
Speaker 1: hours before the game. So I'm giving them all these bets.
44:08
Speaker 1: I put five hundred to win a place on the horse.
44:11
Speaker 1: I had picked fours galore, which is you know, picked
44:13
Speaker 1: the four races before that, three races before that into him. Um.
44:17
Speaker 1: I had futures on them. I had I would say,
44:20
Speaker 1: close to two and futures on them that we're gonna
44:23
Speaker 1: pay me back close to nine to ten grand somewhere
44:26
Speaker 1: in that area. Um I had probably bet close to
44:30
Speaker 1: I would say completely on the race, maybe a little
44:33
Speaker 1: bit less about five thousand to consider the props. So
44:38
Speaker 1: now the rain, the way ends, and I'm the Derby's
44:43
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes post. I'm like, oh, hey, the rain.
44:45
Speaker 1: I'm looking outside. I data call, hey, guys, go to
44:49
Speaker 1: the bullpen. Start warming up. They're gonna start the game
44:52
Speaker 1: at six oh five. I'm like, you've got to be
44:54
Speaker 1: killing me. The Derby post is six o eight. It's
44:56
Speaker 1: just insane, so unlike I gotta go down to the bullpen.
45:02
Speaker 1: And I was always the catcher that I always finished
45:06
Speaker 1: off the picture, like the books, I Catch you catcher
45:08
Speaker 1: would start then I got Backett. I'm getting back Gett
45:11
Speaker 1: finished in the game. You know, you stay away from
45:15
Speaker 1: the starting pitcher. Meanwhile, all the other position players know
45:19
Speaker 1: I got the Derby, and uh, you know I had
45:21
Speaker 1: bet the Derby. And you always have a Derby pool.
45:24
Speaker 1: You know you have twenty twenty guys. You all are
45:26
Speaker 1: throwing fifty or a hunter bucks and he's throwing out
45:28
Speaker 1: of a hat. I even paid, I forget who I paid.
45:31
Speaker 1: I even paid somebody for the Jocko bill because when
45:33
Speaker 1: they saw fifty to one. They said, no chance. I'm like,
45:36
Speaker 1: I'll buy that from you for two because it was
45:39
Speaker 1: the pool. Two thousand goes to the winner. It was
45:42
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars in you pick a horse out of
45:44
Speaker 1: the hat. So now we're out on the field and
45:47
Speaker 1: we're playing, and I can look in the dugout and
45:53
Speaker 1: Mike Lowe has the day off, Jeff Conine has the
45:56
Speaker 1: day off, and a couple other guys, Doncho Willis. They're
45:59
Speaker 1: all pointing to me like there's like going in the gate.
46:02
Speaker 1: I'm on the field, so boom, next kitch, groundball, double play.
46:07
Speaker 1: We get at the inning, so I literally I'm run
46:12
Speaker 1: into the cloudouse. I'm running in the class guy. All
46:15
Speaker 1: my gear on. The horses are on the back side,
46:19
Speaker 1: so they're running up the backside. Tom Durkin's making the
46:21
Speaker 1: call and all this chaos. It's a big, big, you know,
46:26
Speaker 1: Calvary charge going to the gams and fleet Alex is
46:29
Speaker 1: the favorite. He goes to the front or he's right there,
46:31
Speaker 1: and then I can hear him say Jacobo. That's all
46:34
Speaker 1: I heard, remember Tom Durkins saying the race caller, and
46:38
Speaker 1: I just started going nuts, and it seemed like maybe
46:42
Speaker 1: a minute was like five and segments. I'm high five
46:46
Speaker 1: and every clubhouse guy because here's the deal. I'm telling
46:50
Speaker 1: every single guy with the Marlins, I like this horse. Okay,
46:53
Speaker 1: they're all telling me I'm crazy. Where the Cloudouse kids
46:57
Speaker 1: are all staying, hey, I'm gonna put at these five
46:59
Speaker 1: bucks across well, all the Claubouse kids are giving me
47:01
Speaker 1: high fives. We're going not this and that. I look
47:06
Speaker 1: up and I just lost track of time. The bad
47:09
Speaker 1: boy comes running in and goes, hey, Duke, what are
47:12
Speaker 1: you doing. I'm like what? Because the umpires were waiting
47:15
Speaker 1: for you for a minute. You're on deck, you're writing.
47:19
Speaker 1: So I'm like what. So I literally run. So I
47:22
Speaker 1: wrent out to the to the dugout. Mckenns like, hey, hey,
47:26
Speaker 1: he always used to call me DeLuca, DeLuca, where are
47:28
Speaker 1: you been? He never knew my name, which was great
47:30
Speaker 1: Jack for the bat like, and I'm like, uh, don't
47:36
Speaker 1: worry about yeah. So I took off all my gear
47:39
Speaker 1: and I could see Lowell and all those guys are
47:42
Speaker 1: like smiling, laughing, don't want to say nothing, And I
47:46
Speaker 1: was like, I forget it was pitching this as I
47:49
Speaker 1: wish I was pitching bat. I tapped the catcher and
47:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was like, listen, I just want eight
47:56
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on the derby. Tell the pictures to throw
47:58
Speaker 1: the ball right down the middle, and I am gonna
48:01
Speaker 1: ground out. And I did. I grounded out the shortstops
48:05
Speaker 1: so weakly, and I ran down the first I didn't
48:08
Speaker 1: even feel my feet touched the ground. Now happy I've
48:13
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. I ran into the dugout.
48:16
Speaker 1: And then when I ran into the dugout, my gear
48:20
Speaker 1: was still in the clubhouse because I took my gear
48:22
Speaker 1: off in the clubhouse. Had to go back to the
48:23
Speaker 1: cluboff because I wanted to make sure did he win?
48:26
Speaker 1: Who ran second? And all this all the other crazy stuff.
48:30
Speaker 1: I I think, like I knew I had won, but
48:32
Speaker 1: then I didn't know I had won. And that's why
48:34
Speaker 1: I wrote the article. My buddy had the tickets over
48:38
Speaker 1: at calder He called the clubhouse to to alert me
48:43
Speaker 1: to horse one because he's thinking I'm playing, and he
48:47
Speaker 1: can hear me in the background, and he carry off
48:49
Speaker 1: the phone. He would never call the club out, but
48:51
Speaker 1: he hung up the phone because the cluboff guy goes, Dude,
48:54
Speaker 1: who the heck are you like he didn't know who
48:56
Speaker 1: he was when it was my buddy just calling up saying, hey, bro,
48:59
Speaker 1: you just want to shoot the money. That is one
49:03
Speaker 1: of the best sports stories I've ever heard. I was insane, insane.
49:08
Speaker 1: I was something I'll never forget. And it's like one
49:12
Speaker 1: of your friends, Mike Smith wins the race. It's one
49:15
Speaker 1: of the longest shots and one of the chances. Very
49:19
Speaker 1: rarely do you you're you're getting paid on track more
49:23
Speaker 1: or like say, like then you you've gotten futured? What
49:26
Speaker 1: four months earlier? I mean, I thought the horse would
49:28
Speaker 1: be like twenty to one come Derby Day, but he
49:30
Speaker 1: tanked and his other other starts to be fifty two
49:32
Speaker 1: one on Derby Day. Oh my god, Um listen, uh.
49:39
Speaker 1: I think one thing I do have to do is, um,
49:43
Speaker 1: you are our horse racing expert at Action Network, So
49:50
Speaker 1: I do need you to give me like your top
49:53
Speaker 1: three favorites for the Derby before I let you guys go.
49:59
Speaker 1: Um well, I do like Magna Moon, Um, he's trying
50:03
Speaker 1: to break a curse. No horse has won the Derby
50:08
Speaker 1: that hasn't started to race at age two since Apollo
50:12
Speaker 1: did it in eight two. Now, Bodie meister almost did it.
50:16
Speaker 1: He ran second last year. Uh horse rams third that
50:21
Speaker 1: was there, but he was a distance third. I can't
50:24
Speaker 1: remember his name of body. Mister just lost. I'll have another.
50:27
Speaker 1: It's the trend that I think is gonna get cracked
50:29
Speaker 1: sooner or later. Magna Moon's first start was on January thirteen,
50:33
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that curse is fourteen days if
50:36
Speaker 1: he starts on December thirtieth. There's no such thing. I
50:40
Speaker 1: just think he's the real deal. He's four for four,
50:42
Speaker 1: he's won over three different race tracks. He won the
50:45
Speaker 1: Arkansas Derby. I really thought he was very good at Arkansas.
50:48
Speaker 1: He's my number one. Justified for Baffort is number two.
50:52
Speaker 1: He's the same horse. He's trying to break the same curse.
50:55
Speaker 1: The two horses that are probably gonna be favorite did
50:57
Speaker 1: not start as two year old. But Bob Bafford would
51:01
Speaker 1: be the great Papovitch, the Bill Belichick of horse trainers.
51:04
Speaker 1: He's the best of all time. So that's why you
51:08
Speaker 1: got to include him. And then it would probably be Mendelsohn.
51:11
Speaker 1: He's a wild card horse. He's a horse. This is
51:15
Speaker 1: a crazy horse. It's europe best camp. They have never
51:19
Speaker 1: ever won a Derby since Thing Bold Arrangement ran second.
51:24
Speaker 1: But they have brought horses over from Europe from Kentucky
51:26
Speaker 1: and have tried and tried. Last year that brought over
51:28
Speaker 1: a horse called Thunders who started bucking out of the
51:31
Speaker 1: gate and and just lost his race, and he ended
51:35
Speaker 1: up winning the Dude Bai World Cup. So he's a
51:36
Speaker 1: real horse. It's just a hard thing to do. But
51:39
Speaker 1: this horse, Mendelston, they paid three million four and he's
51:42
Speaker 1: a brother to Instan Mission Instan Miissive is a sire
51:46
Speaker 1: to one of the horses in the race, Audible, who's
51:48
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the choices too. So a giant
51:51
Speaker 1: pedigree that they paid three million dollars for that is
51:54
Speaker 1: a definitely a wild card. So those will be my
51:57
Speaker 1: top three horses. But I do love Magna Moon. I'm
52:00
Speaker 1: going with Mendelssohn. I love Royalty. I'm a huge fan.
52:03
Speaker 1: I might even go to England. I said this to you, you, Jason,
52:07
Speaker 1: doesn't he seem like a teen crumpet kind of guy.
52:10
Speaker 1: Maybe we lost, so maybe I lost. I'm thinking I
52:14
Speaker 1: thought you guys are still going. I've got one other
52:17
Speaker 1: guy that told me Mendelsohn. I don't hey, de Luca, Luca,
52:22
Speaker 1: I don't even think. I don't even think sob heard
52:24
Speaker 1: you're the way you ripped me. I think he was
52:27
Speaker 1: like fading out hard dig and he did not come
52:31
Speaker 1: back for it. Yeah, I was asking you. You you
52:33
Speaker 1: you picture Millman as a tea and crumpet guy. He
52:36
Speaker 1: likes the bread. Oh I miss that. Yeah, no, yeah,
52:39
Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, by the way ian crumpet guy,
52:43
Speaker 1: you know, getting served on the silver platters, like, yeah,
52:48
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Listen, funk, both of you. Also, what
52:51
Speaker 1: the funk are you doing that? You did? Like you
52:53
Speaker 1: you just faded out like you weren't even listening. Are
52:55
Speaker 1: you not engaging in the podcast? What happened? Scores? I'm
53:00
Speaker 1: trying to work here, I got you know, I'm trying
53:03
Speaker 1: to like multitask as I'm doing. I don't know you
53:05
Speaker 1: guys had covered for a while. I do, but I
53:10
Speaker 1: will kind of make up for it. Chat. I want
53:12
Speaker 1: to double down on my phil story and give you
53:14
Speaker 1: one more. Alright, I make up to my brief absence.
53:20
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, So here here's an inside the rope
53:24
Speaker 1: still story and uh, the the Tuesday money game, which
53:28
Speaker 1: was sort of celebrated for a few years. It's it's
53:31
Speaker 1: kind of dissipated a little bit. I think the Tours
53:34
Speaker 1: put the kai bosh on it. They just don't like
53:36
Speaker 1: the whole attention and bringing towards gambling, and it's not whatever.
53:40
Speaker 1: It was great. It probably lasted three or four years.
53:43
Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson was the commissioner of the Tuesday Game, and
53:47
Speaker 1: on any given week you'd have some combination of Phil,
53:51
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, Ricky Fowler, Brendan Steele, Kicking Bradley, Uh, Jimmy Walker,
53:57
Speaker 1: um a handful of guys who would sort of make
54:00
Speaker 1: up this fosome and the stakes that still always had
54:04
Speaker 1: were enough to keep you interested but not enough to
54:08
Speaker 1: make you uncomfortable. And what it was, we all found out,
54:11
Speaker 1: was basically a two thousand dollar bet with a one
54:14
Speaker 1: time thousand dollar press and so the most who can
54:18
Speaker 1: lose was three grand. And for these guys who are
54:20
Speaker 1: playing for a million dollars on any given week, um
54:23
Speaker 1: as still always put it, you should want to play
54:25
Speaker 1: for that kind of money on a Tuesday because it
54:27
Speaker 1: kind of gets you ready to play for a lot
54:29
Speaker 1: more money later in the week. So um, you know,
54:31
Speaker 1: I know that sounds like maybe a lot of money
54:33
Speaker 1: to some people listening out there. If you're just playing
54:35
Speaker 1: for a round of golf. These guys are obviously uh
54:37
Speaker 1: wheeling and dealing for a whole lot more later that
54:39
Speaker 1: week anyway. So uh so in any case that that
54:42
Speaker 1: wouldn't play all the time, and you know the results
54:44
Speaker 1: had always been back and forth. So this was two
54:46
Speaker 1: years ago at the Players Championship. Uh Colt Nost and
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Speaker 1: Jamie Lovemark, who were not part of this regular game,
54:53
Speaker 1: came up to Phil and said, hey, you know, we
54:55
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys want some action on on Tuesday.
54:58
Speaker 1: And so philter is the Brennan Steel and says, hey,
55:02
Speaker 1: we got ourselves a couple of pigeons. Let's tell them
55:05
Speaker 1: the game is a little more than we usually played
55:06
Speaker 1: for us. So I think they played for uh four
55:09
Speaker 1: and two instead of two and one, and they doubled
55:12
Speaker 1: up on these guys. And and so they go out
55:14
Speaker 1: and play, and through sixteen holes, Nos and love Mark
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Speaker 1: are one up on Michaelson and Steele and as they're
55:24
Speaker 1: walking off the sixteenth grew I mean Phil for insta
55:26
Speaker 1: Colt nose caddy and says Hey man, I'm really sorry,
55:30
Speaker 1: and the caddy says, what do you mean, what are
55:32
Speaker 1: you talking about? He said, Oh, we're gonna win the
55:35
Speaker 1: next two holes, and your guy is gonna be moping
55:38
Speaker 1: around here the rest of the week like he just
55:40
Speaker 1: lost his dog. And caddy looks like he goes, okay,
55:43
Speaker 1: feel whatever, keep talking. Well they have seventeen. The famous
55:46
Speaker 1: Island Green still stiffed one too, about three ft on
55:50
Speaker 1: seventeen makes the butt squares the match, and now they're
55:53
Speaker 1: one up in the press and they pressed at that
55:54
Speaker 1: point too. They get to eighteen, and I still telling
55:57
Speaker 1: me the story. Uh hours after the match it ended.
56:00
Speaker 1: He said, on eighteen, Uh, nose to the left, Mark,
56:03
Speaker 1: get up there. They both hit it in the trees
56:05
Speaker 1: on the right. Steely hits his in the right. I,
56:08
Speaker 1: of course just hit mine right down the middle, because
56:10
Speaker 1: that's what you're supposed to do the fairways down the middle.
56:12
Speaker 1: So I figured I would just hit it in the fairway.
56:13
Speaker 1: And it's still talking, and uh, very much in his
56:17
Speaker 1: uh Phil sarcasm says, you know the fairways right there,
56:20
Speaker 1: I'll hit in the fairway. So uh. Then Phil says,
56:22
Speaker 1: you know, nose the short of the green and love
56:25
Speaker 1: Mark doesn't get there, and uh he goes I'm about
56:28
Speaker 1: to hit and all of a sudden, like a butterfly
56:31
Speaker 1: coming out of the sky, I see this ball just
56:35
Speaker 1: dropping so ever so slightly right onto the green, bounces
56:40
Speaker 1: right towards the hole. It stops a foot from the hole.
56:43
Speaker 1: It's my partner, Brendan Steele, who walks out of the woods.
56:46
Speaker 1: I couldn't even see where he was. I think he
56:48
Speaker 1: walked right across the water towards the green and and
56:52
Speaker 1: just tapped in his butt. We win the match. I
56:55
Speaker 1: walk off the green and I turned the colt nose caddy,
56:57
Speaker 1: I said, I told you, and just walked right. That
57:03
Speaker 1: is stone cold balls right there, isn't it that? Uh real?
57:10
Speaker 1: I wish I had the skill to be able to
57:12
Speaker 1: like make that claim and pull that off at the
57:16
Speaker 1: same time. I don't think there's anything I could I
57:19
Speaker 1: could make that bet out other than like correcting someone's grammar.
57:29
Speaker 1: But you don't, you know, you know, Michelson and I
57:32
Speaker 1: have in common both for both sun devils must be
57:37
Speaker 1: in the blood over there in Arizona. There's nothing else
57:40
Speaker 1: to do. It's so dry. All you can do is gamble,
57:45
Speaker 1: listen boys. Uh, those were amazing, amazing story. Even though
57:49
Speaker 1: Sobel totally faded out for for a few minutes there,
57:52
Speaker 1: he came back strong. Um. Everybody should go into the
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