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Chuck & Buck 11-13 Hour 3: 12th Man Roundtable · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: All right, good morning to you. It is a Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: it is eight o'clock. It is time to assemble. The
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  Speaker 1: top analysts in town are inside of Greg Bell is here,
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  Speaker 1: RQB one, Hugh Millan is here, Ashley Bucky Chuck with
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  Speaker 1: you twelve man round table time. And it is the
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  Speaker 1: biggest game yet of the season for the Seattle Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting ready to chop it up for an hour
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  Speaker 1: here with Greg and Hugh. And I just want to
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  Speaker 1: start by apologizing to Greg. I stepped on your toes
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I just broke some news. I know
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  Speaker 1: this is your area, but I am announcing that the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks are going to sign Aaron Donald. I just decided
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  Speaker 1: to do it. I don't have any information you all,
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  Speaker 1: but I just decided.
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  Speaker 2: I'd do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, okay. I think we could use him.
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  Speaker 1: I think he'd be a nice help. He's in good shapes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's still in great shape. I think that he hates
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  Speaker 1: the Rams now. I think that he'd like to play
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  Speaker 1: for a defensive coach and not one of them stilly
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  Speaker 1: offensive coaches for once. Uh So, anyway, I'm throwing it
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  Speaker 1: out there. We're signing Aaron Donald. So anyway, may want
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  Speaker 1: to do something, may want.
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  Speaker 2: To do some research. Yeah, I'm supposed to go follow
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  Speaker 2: the lead on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll leave some bread crumbs for you. You follow him,
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  Speaker 1: you do the rest. Okay, Uh, I've heard worse. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Well let's get it started. Man, What a game? What
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  Speaker 1: a matchup We've got on Sunday? And uh and Hugh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I could tell on Monday you couldn't wait
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  Speaker 1: to start talking about these two coaches going head to head,
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  Speaker 1: these minds getting ready to meet. And so here we
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  Speaker 1: are on Thursday. There's no I don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: we played a game this past week. All I'm focused
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  Speaker 1: on is the RAMS. So McDonald versus McVeigh. How excited
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  Speaker 1: are you to watch this chess match? Couldn't be more excited?
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  Speaker 1: I just boy, I'm getting bad echo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I couldn't do much right and so you
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  Speaker 3: just look at it's not just the coaching matchup. I
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  Speaker 3: even go as so far as Lesnie the GM versus
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  Speaker 3: John Schneider and some of the decisions they've made. But
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  Speaker 3: but with you know, and and Sam Donold, you know
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  Speaker 3: his his nemesis is one playoff game was was just
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  Speaker 3: a few months back against these rams. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that he's got a little bit of a monkey on
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  Speaker 3: his back. I'm excited to watch him. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you think about John Schneider and the decision they
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  Speaker 3: made to let Pete Carroll walk, and you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was thought that, hey, we got to get maybe Ben
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  Speaker 3: Johnson to get a similar you know, an elite offensive mine.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he would be the guy.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that once they sat down with Mike McDonald,
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  Speaker 3: they were singularly focused on, No, the way we're going
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  Speaker 3: to win this NFC West against these brilliant minds in
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  Speaker 3: Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan is we're gonna get equal
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  Speaker 3: brilliance on the opposite side of the ball. And all
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  Speaker 3: of the data prior to that and all of the
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  Speaker 3: data after that have have proven, in my opinion, that
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  Speaker 3: that was, you know, the right decision, called a great decision,
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  Speaker 3: love the path of the defense. And so you know
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  Speaker 3: you've got some titans. I mean, this is Bobby Fisher
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  Speaker 3: against Big Blue IBM. I mean, you know, in a
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  Speaker 3: chess matchic you can't you can't get any bigger Greg
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  Speaker 3: in terms of of of just kind of a divisional
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  Speaker 3: matchup and the coaching battle on one on one side
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  Speaker 3: of the ball versus the other. I bet man, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be great, great theater, Gregor.
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  Speaker 1: He was fired up for it as what we are
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  Speaker 1: just to watch from a football perspective, just to see
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  Speaker 1: these two go ahead. That I mean, the first year,
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  Speaker 1: rookie year. Mike McDonald has a little learning curve, but
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  Speaker 1: right now he seems to be humming, and we know
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  Speaker 1: mcveigh's always humming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest, there I'm doing.
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  Speaker 4: I've been doing this a couple of days now, twenty
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  Speaker 4: plus years, and when I get on planes on some
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  Speaker 4: weekends in November, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I won't mind this trip.
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  Speaker 4: This is I'm getting on a plane to LA on Saturday,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm going to see something that should be very fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Here's right.
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  Speaker 4: The reason they hired Mike McDonald is to win this game.
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  Speaker 4: They decided the most broken part of their team was
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  Speaker 4: what had once gotten them to the Super Bowl twice
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  Speaker 4: in a row, and that's their defense and Yp Carroll
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  Speaker 4: was no longer their coach. Is that the defense had
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  Speaker 4: faltered so poorly. Remember when they hired Mike McDonald, they
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  Speaker 4: were thirtieth, thirty, first, thirty, second in the league for
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years against the run. You know what
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  Speaker 4: they are Now they're number one. And that's where it starts.
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  Speaker 4: When you play the Rams. Everyone gets Sean McVay his
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  Speaker 4: kudos and flowers for his past game, his quick pass
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  Speaker 4: game and what he made Cooper Cup and Matthew Stafford
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  Speaker 4: and all the crossers and horizontal games you play with defenses,
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  Speaker 4: but it starts with the run and the threat to
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  Speaker 4: run that allows all that stuff to work and give
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback time to throw and in game after game
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  Speaker 4: after game over the years against the the Rams have
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter who the running backs have been.
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  Speaker 2: Third, fourth string guys off the.
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  Speaker 4: Practice squad, Kyrine Williams, it doesn't matter. The same results
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  Speaker 4: they established the run. They have thirds and shorts, second
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  Speaker 4: in shorts, and the Seahawks are on their heels defensively
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  Speaker 4: the entire time screen passes, Tyler Higbee tight ends thirteen
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  Speaker 4: person All of that stems off the fact that they
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  Speaker 4: had short guardage on second and third down to do
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  Speaker 4: whatever they wanted. In mcveigh's playbook, McDonald this year so
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  Speaker 4: far has limited offensive play callers to third and longs
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  Speaker 4: because they've stopped the run on early downs and that
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  Speaker 4: has allowed McDonald to dictate to two offenses on third down.
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  Speaker 4: All of it that we've been talking about since September. Guys,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they don't beat the Rams. If they
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  Speaker 4: don't beat the Rams, they're not winning the division. They're
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  Speaker 4: not having home plaif games, not going to super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: I know they've been great on the road, They're not
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  Speaker 4: winning three games on the road in January to go
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  Speaker 4: to super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: They just aren't.
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  Speaker 4: The history of the NFL and the history of the
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks tells us that this is what they've been building toward.
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  Speaker 4: And it's the times of beating the Steelers and the
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  Speaker 4: Saints and the Cardinals twice.
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  Speaker 2: It's over. Now it's time to beat the teams that
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  Speaker 2: you have to to win the division.
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  Speaker 4: In the first one of those Sunday, we'll see how
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  Speaker 4: McDonald's and his defense does against McVeigh in that setting.
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  Speaker 3: I ye, I go to respond to their First of all,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like Seattle needs to split with the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel like if they were to lose this
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  Speaker 3: game Sunday that that prevents them from winning the division.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously we're all hoping that they will. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: Greg touched on the thirteen personnel that's one running back,
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  Speaker 3: three tight ends. That is, the Rams are number one
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  Speaker 3: in the use of that. To Greg's point about their
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  Speaker 3: desire to run the ball. Now, Seattle they're cold run
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  Speaker 3: play percent is Seattle at fifty two percent, they're number one.
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  Speaker 2: In the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: But the Rams are eight, you know, forty three percent
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  Speaker 3: but still eighth and and so, uh yeah, you have
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  Speaker 3: to get them into the longer yardage situations and those
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  Speaker 3: thirteen personnel. Let's see Seattle, I think an important part
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  Speaker 3: of this Seatle's number one in defensively in the use
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  Speaker 3: of nickel eighty six percent of the time. But their
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  Speaker 3: nickel has changed. The nickel a lot was uh with
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  Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon, you know, one hundred and eighty one pounder
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  Speaker 3: was the the nickel. Now with Nick m and worry
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty pounds, they can play. They can
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  Speaker 3: play in the paint hardball in the paint more with
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  Speaker 3: the nickel that they have. So it's not just nickel's
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  Speaker 3: how is your nickel constructed? And when Sean mccavay wants
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  Speaker 3: to go to those heavy sets. Look, Seattle may ultimately
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  Speaker 3: be compelled to say we we we got to play
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  Speaker 3: bass and have three linebackers on the field, and they're
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  Speaker 3: not they're they're they're nicked up at linebacker. But uh,
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  Speaker 3: if they want to play the nickel as a I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's eighty six percent of the time they want to
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  Speaker 3: play nickel, they can based on the talent they've acquired
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  Speaker 3: here with the Eamon worry At popping Devin Witherspoon out
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  Speaker 3: there to play corner.
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  Speaker 4: The last four weeks and when the Rams have beaten
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  Speaker 4: everybody by fourteen or more points, just boat racing the
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  Speaker 4: entire league, they've been in thirteen personnel with three tight
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  Speaker 4: ends forty percent of the time, almost half the time.
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  Speaker 2: Half the time. Now the teams they've been playing have
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  Speaker 2: been going to base.
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  Speaker 4: Defense against that, including the San Francisco forty nine ers
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  Speaker 4: last week.
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  Speaker 2: Their answer to three tight ends has been debase.
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  Speaker 4: So far, Mike McDonald's answer to three tight ends has
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  Speaker 4: been nickel and dime against thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: This season, McDonald's been in nickel or dime fifty eight
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  Speaker 2: percent of the time.
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  Speaker 4: Which leads to huston an eighty six percent time against
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  Speaker 4: any formation there in Nickel but there, McDonald is gonna
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  Speaker 4: give McVeigh something on Sunday he hasn't been seeing, which
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  Speaker 4: is extra defensive backs against his three tight ends. Nick
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  Speaker 4: emun Worry is the reason. And you can go nickel
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  Speaker 4: and dime against three tight ends. He's a two hundred
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  Speaker 4: and twenty pounds and sixty four big enough to take
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  Speaker 4: on Tyler Higbee and tight ends around the league.
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  Speaker 2: Yet he's fast enough and.
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  Speaker 4: Sure enough to make tackles in the open field like
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  Speaker 4: Witherspoon and Oh by the way, they're gonna blitz him
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  Speaker 4: off the edge a few times as well, too, will
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  Speaker 4: playhim as a post safety, to play him as a
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  Speaker 4: slot corner. They're gonna play him in different ways that
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  Speaker 4: McVeigh hasn't seen yet. Emon Worry and Witherspoon coming back
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  Speaker 4: healthy gives McVeigh a lot more to.
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  Speaker 2: Have to digest.
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  Speaker 4: When he goes thirteen personnel, He's gonna see some sub
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  Speaker 4: packages and nickel and dime. McDonald's even floating now there.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna do more dime this week. Because of how
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  Speaker 4: Niami Pritchett played against Arizona, he wanted I led him
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  Speaker 4: into a question on Monday that I know he wanted
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  Speaker 4: out publicly, so McVeigh could hear, Yeah, we may do
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  Speaker 4: more dime because I can't keep pritching off the field.
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  Speaker 4: He may not do it as much as he tried
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  Speaker 4: to bled on so McVeigh. But the point is Seattle's
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  Speaker 4: defense could be far more varied than what mcveigh's been
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  Speaker 4: attacking with his extra tight ends so far. That's another
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  Speaker 4: game within a game.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as we're talking personnel, I think a point in
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  Speaker 3: this is the is Davante Adams. Now, if Davante Adams
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  Speaker 3: is your number two receiver, you know, like like that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Now I get it, he's older, but he has a
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  Speaker 3: potential to really impact a game in my opinion. Still,
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  Speaker 3: And you know, to that point, the Rams for the
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  Speaker 3: season offensively, they're eleven personnel, which is the number one
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  Speaker 3: personnel for every team in the NFL other than Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: They're at sixty eight points called sixty nine percent. That's
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  Speaker 3: sixth most they may have greg been going to thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the more of the tight end sets and
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  Speaker 3: leaving the one receiver Poka Nakou on the field because
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have a healthy Adam.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't you know.
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  Speaker 3: You may know from a reporting standpoint, what's the latest
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  Speaker 3: injury up to date with him, But I think some
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  Speaker 3: of that those those inclin nations may have been because
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  Speaker 3: of the personnel that they had healthy.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about Adams greg And then I
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  Speaker 1: will flip it on the Seahawks side. Is Ernest Jones
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  Speaker 1: going to play? And how important is that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the Seahawks first.
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  Speaker 4: Ernest Jones was on the field yesterday in a limited
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  Speaker 4: fashion to practice. He of course tweeted out and then
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  Speaker 4: I think the Seahawks made him take it down. Resurrecting
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  Speaker 4: from the dead a rap star resurrect from the dead
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  Speaker 4: on Tuesday, saying he's back, he's playing, But if he's
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  Speaker 4: breathing on Sunday morning, he's playing. And I'm thinking I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to predict it. He's going to be breathing on
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  Speaker 4: Sunday morning, so he's going to be in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of that defense because he's not missing this game.
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  Speaker 1: Sure he missed that Aaron Donald's story, but you got
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  Speaker 1: this one all right?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to bypass the Aaron Donald's story for
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  Speaker 4: my time being. LA connections haven't given me any reason
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  Speaker 4: to go chase that one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Tory Horton was on the field yesterday. Jake Bobo was
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  Speaker 4: on the field yesterday. Both of them missed the game
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  Speaker 4: last week with injuries.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like they're going to have Josh Job try.
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  Speaker 4: To go through the concussion protocol and see how he
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  Speaker 4: fares at the end of the week. He was on
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  Speaker 4: the practice field beginning to practice yesterday at the starting corner,
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  Speaker 4: and he's important because he's going back in the starting line.
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  Speaker 4: There's some people that saying, well, Riek wool And will
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  Speaker 4: start over Josh Job. I don't see that happening. I
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  Speaker 4: see Joe going right back to starting and then your
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  Speaker 4: dying becomes Woolen, not Pritch it as much, unless he
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  Speaker 4: wants to play seven defensive backs, which I don't see happening.
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  Speaker 4: But it looks like with the exception, of course, with Jalensondell,
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  Speaker 4: who's gonna miss the game with the knee injury, it
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  Speaker 4: looks like they're getting healthier on that side of the ball.
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  Speaker 4: Adams the oblique yesterday, did not practice down in LA
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  Speaker 4: but again in November on a Wednesday, four days before
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  Speaker 4: a game. I wouldn't read too much into a veteran
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  Speaker 4: not practicing. Let's see if he practices Thursday or Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, you know, I just going back to your
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  Speaker 3: question about the coaching because there's still I still got
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  Speaker 3: more notes and the coaching matchup. If you go back
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  Speaker 3: to Mike McDonald's last year at Baltimore when they played
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  Speaker 3: the Rams, Baltimore won the game, but the Rams scored
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  Speaker 3: thirty points, so in a way, you know, you could
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  Speaker 3: say advantage McVeigh. Last year in in lumen Field, it
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  Speaker 3: was flipped. You look at the score, you say, well,
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  Speaker 3: the Rams beat the Seahawks twenty six to twenty. They
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  Speaker 3: scored twenty six points, did they No. Gino Smith had
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and five yard interception return, had another interception
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  Speaker 3: in the red zone, and one of those touchdowns was
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  Speaker 3: in overtime. So in regulation the Rams only scored thirteen
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  Speaker 3: points against the Seahawk defense. And in that game the
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  Speaker 3: Rams had the most they had They had seven to
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  Speaker 3: three and outs against Seattle's defense. So that was right
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  Speaker 3: around the time after the Buffalo game when Seattle was
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  Speaker 3: kind of at its worst and they were starting to.
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  Speaker 2: Hit their incline.
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  Speaker 3: Just like in year one in twenty twenty two in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: That chess. Now, we didn't see the chess match in
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  Speaker 3: the last game of the year because that was a
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  Speaker 3: JV game nobody was playing. But that mid season game,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think there's reason to say, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald, he got the best of Saw McVay. I
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  Speaker 3: think that game has relevance.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that. I mean, okay, So if
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  Speaker 1: a train's leaving the station Mike McDonald at fifty five
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  Speaker 1: miles per hour heading north, and then trains leaving the
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  Speaker 1: station in La Matthew Stafford and he's playing his best
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  Speaker 1: football and he's going seventy five miles per hour heading east,
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  Speaker 1: what happens when the two collide?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, can the.
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  Speaker 1: Great Mike McDonald stump Matt Stafford as well as he's
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  Speaker 1: playing right now?
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  Speaker 3: You well, I think that you look at what the
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  Speaker 3: Rams do, well, they you know, the more you look
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  Speaker 3: at this game, they just really match up very similarly.
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  Speaker 3: You know, both teams offensively, you know they're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: in shotgun. The Rams are number one in under center,
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks are number two. So in in play action percentage, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the Rams are number one. The Seahawks are six. But
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  Speaker 3: and uh, you know passer rating play action, Well, the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks and Sam Donald they're number two. Sam Donald as
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty eight passer rating eighty four. So
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  Speaker 3: that I think that what's gonna happen is you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have some really exotic blitzes at very critical time that
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald is gonna he's gonna employ. For example, he said,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, Matthew Stafford, he's a veteran, he can
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  Speaker 3: handle that. Well, how about when Leonard Williams had a
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  Speaker 3: ninety seven yard pick six return against Aaron Rodgers right
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  Speaker 3: on a on a dropping pop and drop type of
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  Speaker 3: scheme with cover zero. Looked like on all our blitz
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  Speaker 3: but the defensive tackles were blocked.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, we're receiving.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that there is an opportunity to get
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  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, particularly you know, an under center play action.
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  Speaker 3: He's got his back turned. There may be some and
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  Speaker 3: they like I miss where the receivers are close to
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  Speaker 3: the ball. That gives a lot of blitzing opportunities for corners.
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  Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon, you line up, you say, hey, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: if they get into this formation from this hash mark
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  Speaker 3: you go, it's and and and Weatherspoon is a great
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  Speaker 3: uh you know, ballhawks. So, so the Seahawks don't do
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  Speaker 3: it often. They're the percentage of plays where they bring
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  Speaker 3: five rushers, the Seahawks are twenty ninth in the league,
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  Speaker 3: but the percentage of times that they bring a dB
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  Speaker 3: in the rush there's seventh. So what wait, you say, what,
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  Speaker 3: what the hell does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: How could that?
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  Speaker 3: How could those two facts be true? Because you're doing
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  Speaker 3: simulated pressures, you're dropping defensive linemen off away from the pressure.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: And here's the critical point, Chuck, to answer your question
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: on the percentage of plays where they bring five or more,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: that's defined as the blitz in the NFL, when they
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: the percentage of time they produce a negative EPA Expected
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: points average. We're not going to go through that. Google
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: it a fear. It's a new matrix that has correlation
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: to winning. The percentage of times that the Seahawks bring
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: five or more rushers and they produce a negative EPA,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: they're second in the NFL. So they don't do it often,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: but they are very effective when they do it. And
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: and by the way, last week they were number one.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know after that Cardinal game how they could
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: have fallen from one to two, but they are really,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: really effective. So what does that speak to. That is
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Mike mcdale. All those numbers point to Mike McDonald doesn't
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: blitz a lot. When he does blitz, it's creative and
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: it's a non risky situation more often to be his
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: zone behind it right, and it's disguising well enough that
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: they're creating have it. That's what those numbers point to.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: And I think that they can get Matthew Stafford in
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the same manner that they got Aaron Rodgers. It might
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: only take one or two big plays at the right
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: time in what we expect to be a close game.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Great look for number zero.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence in coverage on Sunday, he talked about that yesterday.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: He said that that's the one they called Mike McDonald's
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: play defensive playbook, a Harvard playbook that you need a
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Harvard education to figure it out. But the main difference
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: is he said he had to know when to pass
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: us and when to cover, and in Dallas for eleven years,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: he never had to worry about when to cover.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: My biggest concern about this. And please remember I said,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford is a right handed quarterback. I can't believe
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: how many times, for as smart as Mike McDonald is,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: how many times. And Marcus Lawrence has been as guilty
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: as anybody greg when he brought it up, is there
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: losing contained? Don't lose contained to a right handed quarterback?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: He extended, Now you got to cover three times long
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: if you're going to if you're gonna lose contained, make
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: a quarterback go left. It's much harder for him under
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: under dress to make a play going to his left,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: So so d law and others. That's that's that's one
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of my concerns is you know you lost the forty
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: nine ers game with Brock Purdy. You know DeMarcus Lawrence
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: lost contained brock Perdy. He's out on the edge. Now
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: a two and a half second play becomes a five
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: and a half second play.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Can't cover that long, so that fifty of his yards
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it is certainly fascinating McVeigh versus McDonald this Sunday,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that that battle inside the war, if you will uh
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: as they get ready to uh to do their thing. Yeah,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it make fascinating as a matter of fact. Coming up
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: on the other side, though, we will talk about Sam Donald.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: All right, So how we stop Sam Donald? Maybe there
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: is a blueprint as you mapped it out, But what
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about scoring points? Can we keep scoring at a thirty
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: point per game clip against one of the time five
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: defenses in the National Football League. We'll talk about Sam
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Darnold Neck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. It's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: a top man roundtable.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We knew it every Thursday.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: But today certainly feels a little more special as we
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: get ready for Seahawks and Rams on Sunday. We've got
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: our Seahawks inside from the News Tribune. That is Greg Bell.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: We've got our QB one here as well, Hugh Millen.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Actually we lean on Thursdays from eight to nine to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: give us the best possible Seahawks analysis out there. Well,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: we talked about defense in the first segment. Let's talk
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: about the offense here in this segment, and Greg on
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: this one, I'll go ahead and come to you. I'll
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: start with you on this one. I mean this Seahawks
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: offense averaging thirty point six points per game this year.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody saw that coming. So, yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: good luck Rams scoring thirty one point points against our
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: defense on Sunday. If only it were that easy, because
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the Rams play defense as well as they play offense,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: so to get the offense, I mean, it's been humming
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: as of late. It won't be easy keeping it humming.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I think maybe we lost Greg.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: No, I'm here, Sorry, Oh he is there?
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, go ahead repeat your question.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I would just talking about the offense and how much
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it's been humming as of late. But the Rams play
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: great defense too, so to try to keep it humming
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: at that clip is not going to be an easy task.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, number one, number two teams and points it out
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: in the NFC on Sunday with the Rams being number one.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks have changed.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Here in the last couple of weeks because they've been
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: playing from the front by twenty eight points in the
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: first minute of the second quarter last week. Of course,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: they ran forty six times only two passes after halftime,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: so that scus your run pass numbers. It also skews
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: their exposive plays in the pass game. The Seahawks, with
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Donald Who's still number with Donald A. Smith' and Jigbert
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: largely are still number one in the league and exposed
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: to play fifteen yards or more in the pass game.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: But the last four weeks they've been twenty second in
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the league and exposed to pass players because they haven't
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: thrown the ball a lot. Season low twelve passes by
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Darnold against Arizona because of the thirty five to nothing
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: lead halfway through the second quarters. None of that's going
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: to happen against Los Angeles. So you're going to see
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: a return to more of the deep strikes down the field.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And now they have something that the Rams defense hasn't
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: had to look at for most of the season in
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Seattle's dressing room, and that's Rashid Shahed. So Shahed gives
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: them a threat for the safety down the middle of
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: the field.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So now they just can't bracket. They could. But if
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Kubiak sees the Brams.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Doing what most teams have done against Smith and Jigwo
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: bracket coverage of a safety over the top or even
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: shading a safety to his side, you're going to see
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: more posts and deep routes on the backside, I think
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: with Shahed than you saw in his first game against Arizona.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: They didn't take much of the cover off off of
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Shhed at all because they didn't have to. So the
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Rams are going to see things from Shaheed in the
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: past game Sunday they haven't seen yet on Seahawks film.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Let's see how much Shaheed gets down.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: The field early in the game and how that might
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: change how the Rams defend the pass game.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: All Right, you Sam Darnold ready for this. I mean
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: we've seen every example for him so far this year.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's playing as well as anybody out there. Well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I think that this is a big game for him mentally.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how he handles this because
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: so much has been said about his great season with
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the Vikings last year, but then the last two games
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: right against the Lions and against the Rams. Against the Lions,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I studied that tape. I can't really defend it. He
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: didn't play terribly other than in the red zone, particularly
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: in the low red zone inside the ten yard line.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: He missed easily four you could call it five touchdown passes.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: He just wasn't sharp. By contrast, for any fan who
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: just puts links those two together, I would just say
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that's not how I saw it. When you watch the
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Ram playoff game that the following week. That was just
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: a tsunami where the defensive coordinator, Chris Shula. I don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: understand why people aren't talking about him. I mean, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: his dad is David Shula, the head coach of the Bengals.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: His uncle's Mike Shula, the head coach of Alabama's grandfathers
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Don Shula, the legendary you know. I mean, this guy
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: was learning football through his umbilical court, right, and he
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: had everything came together for him in that game against
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: the Vikings and out coach O'Connell nine sacks Sam Donald
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: took in that game. But if you go, if you
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: take you remember watching the Super Bowl last year, Remember
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: how Pat Mahomes played terrible. He was under siege by
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that Eagle defense. Pat Mahomes had seventeen pressures in the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Sam Donald against the Rams in that playoff
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: game had twenty seven. Pat Mahomes in the Super Bowl
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: was pressured forty percent of the time. Sam Donald was
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: fifty four percent. So of all fourteen quarterbacks who played
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs last year, if you sort them by
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: the pressure percentage, Sam Donald's fifty four percent was number one.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: He was the most pressured in the playoffs, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and by the way, Jalen Hurts, his passer rating when
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: he was pressured was a twenty seven. Sam Donald still
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: had a better passer rating than Jared Goff did last year,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Jordan Love and Justin Herbertson in their playoff game. So
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the point is it happens. It was a full team
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: failure by the Rams, and no matter who was the quarterback,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: excuse me, by the vikings against the Rams, no matter
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: who is the quarterback, that was going to be a
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: rough day. So now can Sam Donald get over the
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: PTSD of that? Are there schematic things like having more
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: outlets that are available to him to avoid those sacks?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: This is a really big game, in my opinion, for
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: his mental you know, I would just say his mental strength.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'm dying to see how much grit this guy has
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: because he's got to be battling Greg some demons about
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: what everybody has been saying for months about this guy
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: resulting from that RAM game.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've asked him about it multiple times. He
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: was ready to talk about it in the spring, he
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: joked in the introductory press conference. When he signed here
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: in March. It took fifteen minutes into press conector for
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: someone asking him about the Rams playoff game. He said,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the biggest lesson he took out of it was he
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: hasked to get the ball rid of the ball sooner,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: even if there aren't outlet receivers there, just get rid
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: of it for the sake of not taking a loss,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: which means you have to throw up beyond the line
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage outside the parkt with those kind of things
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: don't get a grounding call, of course, but he blamed
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: a lot of it on himself for holding onto the ball,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: trying to make plays down the field against the pass
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: rush that wasn't allowing him to do that. So the
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Seahawks spent most of training camp on him getting the
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: ball out ultra quickly.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You and I were standing next to each other on
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of those practices.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: It was like a second in a second and a half,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: and with the spoon on the defensive second, they complaining
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: about how they couldn't even get to the quarterback and
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: affect him because he was Donald was getting the ball
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: out so quickly. He hasn't done that as much during
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the season because he's done a lot of play action
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: passes and rollouts that have had him holding onto the
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: ball and allowing Smiths and Jingle to get further down
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: the field. That has been the net effect of Kubiak
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: running the ball fifty two percent of the time this season.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Everyone's talking about the rush game, and the numbers haven't
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: been there except in the Arizone game last week by
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: and large. But the effect there's two prongs to the
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: run game. One is, yeah, effective yard each and getting productivity.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: But the effective run game of fifty two percent runs
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: has on a defense is it allows play action and
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: rollouts and bootlegs to be more effective and give more
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: time for Donald to hold on to the ball.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: So while he's going to go into the Rams game,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: when he walks in that field, he's going to remember, oh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: I got to get his ball up more quickly. He's
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: going to have an offensive coordinator who's going to run
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: the ball out early in the game, even if the
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Rams stop it, so that he can Darnald can roll
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: out and hold on.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: The ball actually longer. It's the yin and yang of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, they'll have outlet receivers, Yes they'll have plans for
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Hot Readson, for him getting the ball out quickly. But
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I bet he holds onto the ball and rollouts and
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: bootlegs like he has most of the season with Smith
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: and Jake and Rashid down the field.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And to that point, I think there's a couple factors
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: in this game that might lead Clint Kubiak to try
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: and really develop the running game. Number One, you've got
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Sundell out and Olua Timmy in at center. So the
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: advantage in the past blocking between those two is to Sundell.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: The advantage in the run game between those two is
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Olua Timmy, so he can he can mack a little
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: bit inside that. So I think that's a factor. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: then furthermore, well, we mentioned that the Seahawks are number
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: one in nickel five dbs uh and and the the
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Rams are twenty eighth in nickel in dime defense, the
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Rams are number one, that's six dbs, so they, you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak, you know, might be saying, Okay, you want
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to play six dbs. There may be a couple of
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: critical third down conversions on you know, third and six,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: third and seven, where you get you have a draw
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: or a trap or something that they they've used in
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: the past where they run on passing downs because they
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: feel like they can take advantage of that personnel group.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And they are.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: There are gonna be times during the game, guys that
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: you maybe you guys will be throwing stuff at the
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: TV and they'll be Seahawk fans throwing stuff at the
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: TV and screaming why are they running the ball? And
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: it's going to be because of what you just set
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: against Dime and to set up later in the game,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: they'll take a punt. If they'll run on third and
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: six against Dime, for instance, they'll take a punt so
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: they can set up something later off that run that
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: they failed on if they don't get it on thirday
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: and look for this, McDonald has a sheet of when
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: he goes for it, He's got all kinds of analytics,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: time of game, score, position on the field, how the
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: defense is, all of that. He'll go on fourth downs
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: that you may not expect him to on Sunday.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna be throwing anything. I'm not changing
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: anything I'm doing. If that run is being effective and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: helping Sam and JSNB who they are, then why would
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you try to adjust it and just drop back and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: throw every single time? The way that you're putting points
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: on the board as of late. So, man, what a
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: chess match. We got more from Greg and Hugh. One
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: more segment and our twelfth Man round Table. We'll get
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Greg's keys and Bucky's prediction and then Hugh's final thoughts
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the final segment of our twelfth Man Roundtable. And it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a little special, a little larger on the marquee today
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: we're getting ready for Shawk's rams you mail and Greg
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: bell with us for an entire hour. The analysis just
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it just sounded purer today, didn't it sound
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a little extra special, Like there's something sprinkled on top
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: of it, little magic dust the yeah, like there for
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: this game, like this will do it. Yeah, you gotta
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: get up for you got to bring your top game,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a game analysis to an a game.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And so final segment here, let's let's finish it off. Greg,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: go ahead and get us started. What kind of game
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: are you expecting on Sunday and what kind of result?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see where you go with this.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's gonna be low scoring because I
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: think both defenses are going to present things that they
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: have offenses have not seen yet. Uh, the Rams are
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: rolling offensively. This is going to take quite an effort
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: if McDonald and his defense can do what it's done
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: recently to offenses against mcveigh's.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: This has been the curiosity in me since the spring.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: It didn't matter what they've done against it. Ultimately it
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: matters and wins and losses. But to truly know what
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: this team is, it didn't matter what they've done against
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: the Saints and the Steelers and the Cardinals and the
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: book Jaguars and the Texans. They have not beaten an
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: NFC top seventeen yet. They have not beaten a quarterback
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: that's in the top half of quarterback rating in the league.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield's in the middle of that by some metrics,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: and he lit him up for three hundred.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Eighty yards at Lumenfield.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Now they're getting an MVP candidate on his home field
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: with the maestro of the offense in offensive coaching in
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the league and Sean McVay. Can the Seahawks impose Mike
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: McDonald imposed his defensive will on them.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I think he will at times, but.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I think ultimately Matthew Stafford right now, on the way
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: he's playing, is going to win the game. I'm talking
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: like sixteen fourteen, seventeen sixteen, narrow in the teams. It's
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: going to take the Seahawks getting a turnover late to
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: change that two three point b gap to their favor.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna call LA winning seventeen sixteen.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I think low scoring as well. But that's really low scoring.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Bucky, what kind of game are you looking at?
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: That's kind of where I was at too, was I
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: was thinking low scoring. I do think the defenses are
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: going to be the prominent thing. I think in these
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: type of games, everybody understands the situation at hand, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: so they play their cards a little bit more tight.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: They're a little bit less willy nilly with throwing balls
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: up and whatnot. I think it's gonna be low scoring.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: I think that it could come down to who has
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: the ball last, and I'm going I think if the
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Rams have it, Stafford does enough to drive down getting
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: field goal range last second field goal, they win.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Nineteen seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, there are two predictions, both Rams, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Millan doesn't play predictions. He doesn't make predictions, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: what he does do is close out an hour with
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  Speaker 1: some brilliant stuff.
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  Speaker 3: If that happens, it'll be a first. But listen, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's worth mansie. I don't bring this up often,
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  Speaker 3: but special teams expected points added. I've run the correlation
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  Speaker 3: numbers on offense and defense. I know that it's a
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  Speaker 3: new stat. It is a correlating it's a good stat
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  Speaker 3: couldn't really give you a very detailed analysis of how
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  Speaker 3: that applies to special teams. I just know that the
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  Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks are number one in the NFL with four
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  Speaker 3: point oh four expected points averaging the special teams. The
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  Speaker 3: Rams at minus three point six to two per special
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  Speaker 3: teams play is thirty second. Let me repeat that again,
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  Speaker 3: Seattle for best Rams worst at some point in a
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  Speaker 3: sixty minute game that has got to play out either
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  Speaker 3: obviously on some point return or maybe more discrete where
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  Speaker 3: just you know, each time you just gain a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more feel position and that can impact the points.
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  Speaker 3: Here's why I just think this matchup is so fascinating. Offense,
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  Speaker 3: neither team run the ball enough to really you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, talk a lot.
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  Speaker 2: About but the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: You got passer rating the Seahawks their quarterback is third,
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  Speaker 3: the Rams is fourth. You want the e p A uh.
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  Speaker 3: Sam Donald is second, Matthew Stafford is fourth. But you
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  Speaker 3: know that those speak to efficiency. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: They pushed the ball down the field. Air yards per
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  Speaker 3: attempt Sam Donald number one in the NFL, Matthew Stafford
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  Speaker 3: number two. Percentage of plays where you produce twenty or
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  Speaker 3: more yards in the passing game, Seattle seak Sam Donald
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  Speaker 3: number one, mat Matthew Stafford number two. But and then
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  Speaker 3: the defense. We've talked about some of the the the UH,
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  Speaker 3: the coverage aspects. Let's just talk about the pressure here.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: The Rams hits on quarterback their third in the league,
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  Speaker 3: Seattle's fourth UH yards after catch after reception. Rams are
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  Speaker 3: the best. They have the lowes. When you throw the
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: ball against the Rams and you get a completion, they
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  Speaker 3: tackle you right on the spot. They're number one. They
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  Speaker 3: have the fewest amount. But let's close with Seattle Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: As I mentioned hits before, hurries are slightly different. In pressures,
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  Speaker 3: Seattle a big margin difference difference in hurry. Seattle is
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  Speaker 3: number one in the NFL on hurrying the opposing quarterback
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  Speaker 3: at over eighteen per game and the Rams are at thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: That that's five. That makes a difference.
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  Speaker 3: And finally, ESPN has a pressure stat they've been doing
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  Speaker 3: for a number of decades through this stage.
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  Speaker 2: In the season.
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  Speaker 3: The Seahawks have one hundred and forty six pressures in
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  Speaker 3: that metrics. It's number one all time, so since they've
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  Speaker 3: been doing and so at any event, I just think
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: it's just such a big that they mirror each other
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  Speaker 3: so much.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with a little bit, Greg.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you lose this game, I think sew
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  Speaker 3: can still win the NFC West and and you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe they're not the number one so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know.
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  Speaker 3: But but but we're at the point now where these
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: teams are good enough that you can start saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we are we are trying to grab number one seat,
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  Speaker 3: and uh you know, obviously Sunday's game is gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a big part in determining whether that's a realistic goal.
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  Speaker 4: Really, this is the measuring stick though, This is why
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  Speaker 4: McDonald's tired and to beat.
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  Speaker 1: Mcmick agreed, all right, Uh, well that's gonna do it
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  Speaker 1: for us here today. I really think this comes down
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  Speaker 1: to Matt Stafford with the ball, trying to win it
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  Speaker 1: and Seahawk defensive tackle Aaron Donald Saxon.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I think.
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  Speaker 4: Some some Joe is turning on the radio right now, going, hey.
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  Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, awesome stuff. Thank you. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: you both tomorrow. Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider, we'll talk
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to him tomorrow at seven o five, and Hugh Millen
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: will be with us x's and o's for more analysis
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of this game at nine o'clock. Coming up next, though,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Alex Avila is going to join us from MLB Network.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: He's gonna weigh in on the cow Raley versus Aaron
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Judge MVP debate, and then we will discuss it one
• 38:23
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