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Yoreh De’ah 146:6-15. Idolatry: How To Anull Idols & Their Accessories; Mitzvah to Seak and Destroy Idols; Calling Them With Derogatory Names · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We're going to continue with
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  Hokos Avadazara. We are doing Simon Kuf, Memvov,
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  Kufmanvov. Today's sure should be Fua
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  Shleima, Nissim Benaima, Avi Mori And OK.
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  So we finished off with Saif. Hey, just as a reminder, but
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  it's relevant that we learned that a goy could be Mavato,
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  another Goy's Avada Zara interesting enough, even without
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  his permission. And he doesn't even have to the
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  Ron points out he doesn't even have to believe in that same
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  Avada Zara, but he has to be someone who's versed familiar
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  with Avada Zara in general, but loved after that one.
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  OK, let's go to sieve Valk Keitzhat Mevatala.
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  OK, so now we learnt, you know what we could do of Otezar
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  Nevada Bittel to Avatazar. And now we want to learn how do
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  you actually do it? So not tell me Ashira, if let's
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  say the Avatazar is an Ashira again, just an as an example,
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  for any of Otezara, you take off a Mikkel, a twig or a Filo Ali
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  Ekhad or even 1 leaf or there's the Mishnah said even a
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  toothpick or a any, any branch, whatever.
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  OK, even if it's a OK, dry, moist, doesn't matter if it's
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  done, let's circle. If it's done because you want to
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  take off and use the twig or use the leaf for yourself.
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  Need batla. So then the whole Avada Zara is
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  bata because you are demonstrating this guy is
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  demonstrating that this has no that this is no longer an Avada
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  Zara. Because if he treated it like an
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  Avada Zara, he wouldn't be, you know, picking off pieces of wood
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  as a as a toothpick or for whatever his purpose is.
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  He wouldn't be mvaza de Avada Zara like that Uvain hashira
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  atsma. What's that Zarajanis batla
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  uvain. I don't know.
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  How do you have a couple different in his house?
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  Yeah. So maybe we'll leave it.
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  I don't know, but Zarkhan is Batla Hashira Atsma.
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  The whole Hashira becomes Bata. Not only not only the what you
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  picked off the whole of what is Zara is Bata Uben Hashfaim
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  should not tell me menu or any Hashfaim means anything that
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  came off one of the definitions could be depending on what you
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  which which one you look at, but basically it could be shavings.
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  If you sand off a varezara, that's also a bittel aim is
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  you're getting the the sawdust or whatever you're doing.
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  Anything's that anything that you remove from it.
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  That's what shwaim means. Shana tamimena mutareim.
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  So all those things that you pluck off are also going to be a
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  mutter. No, however, vahim natala
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  shwaim. But if you just remove some of
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  the shavings for the purpose of the varezara, not for yourself
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  to use, but for the varezara like you want to groom it, I
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  don't know. You want to trim it, You want to
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  make a design with wood carving out of it, whatever you want to
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  do. If it's litzorcha, the hainu
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  liafota to make the varezara nicer, so then lonid batla, it
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  doesn't make it bata because you made it beautiful.
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  Exact the opposite via sur. And so certainly the Varezara
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  remains aser. However, vaishwaim uttarim.
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  But whatever you trim off, you know you don't have a purpose
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  for it. So it's going to go in the
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  garbage. And therefore it's it's mutter
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  they'll find themselves in mutter.
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  OK, Zain elliim shikata Rosh ozno O Rosh hotamo O Rosh Expo.
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  Now if you have enough varezara and you chop off, you cut off a
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  a piece of the one second. Yeah.
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  You cut off a piece of the ear or a piece of the nose or the a
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  piece of the foot, a toe or a finger.
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  Oh, Shami akha befanel. Or you defame the face, you dent
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  you, you smash and dent the face of the Abarazara enough that it
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  really deforms the whole face. Alpha P shala Hassara.
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  If you're denting and really defaming, distorting the face,
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  you don't have to remove a piece.
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  It's good enough since it's the face.
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  So then Butler. So then the Abarazara is no
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  longer a Abarazara and it's it's a mutter but me aha.
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  But if you dent and defame another part of the body, Shiloh
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  bifanea, that's not the face. It's not going to help to be to
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  do Bittel below Cacera or you didn't you didn't remove a piece
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  of the Avada Zara. It's not going to be it's not
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  going to do Bittel. Oh, Shiraka bifanea.
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  What if you spit on its face? Oh, Easter in Bifanea, you
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  urinate in front on the face. Oh, Gary, are you dragging on
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  the floor? Oh, Zarek Bhatt, It's so a or
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  you throw feces at it. All of the excrement, all these
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  things. It's a bizaion.
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  These last things that we mentioned, of course, it's a
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  disgrace, but you can still use it.
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  Yeah, we're talking about a glaze.
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  So it doesn't accomplish low batla, bitla or low batla.
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  It's not bata because you did not accomplish.
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  You accomplished it is a disgrace, but you didn't
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  accomplish doing vittel because you can still be used as it is
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  and they still use it as it is. OK, fine.
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  So let's go on Hagar. Now this is the Rama Tarkin.
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  He argues on the Shokanara. The Shokanara holds you could
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  only do bittel with a maisa. What does Aramas say?
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  Viyesh omrim right? So Mahakis, we've shown him
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  viyesh omrim dafil. As long as you goy verbally says
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  that it's no longer about azara, then it works.
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  As long as you verbally right verbally says it's better then
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  it works aval in batla mikoa onus enamel brutalit ajiya sema
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  acebi gufa. But there are agrees that if
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  you're doing it either through onus or you're doing it against
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  the owner's will baal korko then it works only with a misa.
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  But you can't do bit on the on someone else's Avada Zara to a
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  goi, A goi can't do bitto to barezara of someone else through
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  a dibor through speech. Yeah, onus is basically about
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  Korho. But yeah, by nature it doesn't
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  work. Yeah.
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  OK. OK.
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  Now on this topic, just interesting to point out when
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  you read ahead. The question is should we point
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  this out now or later? Maybe we'll wait for Halakha Yud
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  and then we'll come back, a short explanation over here of
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  the mahlotis. OK, so let's keep reading and
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  then we'll come back khat see if khat Makra or mashkina if a goy
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  sells Hisavada Zara or he lends it out as a mashko right
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  collateral a fiddle it's Sora Fisraelo Betela.
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  So even if he gives it to a it's not going to be batal.
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  The only way it's batal is if you do a mice and according to
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  the robot through a dibor as well.
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  But selling it is not going to work.
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  Even if it's something that you know you're selling to a Jew
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  who's going to melt it down. So then it's still not going to
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  be batal. Viyesh Matirin Mitsarif Yisraal
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  and there are some who are Mikhail Bai ET Sarif Yisraal
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  because we know he's going to he's going to melt it down and
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  right it's my focus. Rishoni the graph points out if
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  it's dafka or not, but the halafa is that even according to
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  the Asia omring it's only if it's dafka to its the case when
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  it's mutter is when it does bittles, when it's dafka to a
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  person who's going to melt it down and the goy and the goy
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  knows that it is so show me after Haga O mashamsha
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  abbatezara IM mashguno O macharo abibito.
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  Now what we said until now was selling the goyets, the the
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  Abbatezara itself is nabito. But if you sell the mashamsha,
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  the stuff that it's that's used to serve the Abbatezara, so then
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  by selling it or giving it as a mash gone, that is Bittel and
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  Natas points out. So obviously if you sell it, he
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  says that does Bittel but merely a mash gone.
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  The Goya plans to get the mash gone back shortly.
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  So that's not enough. What's the case of mash gone?
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  That is enough to do Bittel? It's when the Zuman passed and
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  he didn't redeem it. Because at a certain point,
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  let's say you lend it for a week, a month, a year, you only
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  give a mash gun for so long and then you basically decide, OK,
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  now I'm keeping the mash gun instead of the loan.
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  So when that Zuman is over, then it's as if you sold it, and then
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  it becomes much. Then it becomes better.
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  OK, let's retet now, fairly, I'm gonna pull it.
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  If you, if there's an avalanche, building collapses and it lands
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  on it velopina ganavua Velopina Ganavua.
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  At least in a Bitala. So even though it's underneath
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  the pile of rubble or even if Ganavim they steal it, it's not
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  Bitala. OK, that's not enough.
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  Natural disaster is not enough either.
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  OK, What? It's not batala.
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  I don't know. You'll fill me in.
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  You'd in ehua of deah vahalkullah bish vahalkullahan
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  bishad Shalom mutaret bishad nuhama asura.
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  OK, well, let's say you have the the going they have there.
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  What is Zara in their house or whatever there is And they run
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  away when it's a time of freedom and they're not they're not
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  coming back, they're leaving the what is Zara there?
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  So then we assume it's batal. Alright, we'll be shot.
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  No Hama. If it's a time of war.
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  So they all run out because they're afraid of getting killed
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  or they're going out to battle, whatever it is, they all run
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  away because it's it's honest. But they're they're planning to
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  come back. So then asura it's remains asur.
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  There's no, we don't see any reason to assume they're
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  mvatalit, the hushaina mukholium lakhsarba.
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  That's when they're able to not come back.
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  That's when we say Bishat mukamasura.
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  But now it's safe for them to come back below Khazro and they
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  still didn't come back Mutaret. Then we say it's mutaret.
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  OK, so here. So going back to the halakha, I
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  think it was Khatar Zine Zine bittel, the PE or not.
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  So this is one of the pivotal points to show the the source of
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  the Mahlokit. So the Gemara has this case, the
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  Mishnah has this case and Ivarizarah talks about the
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  milhama. So the question is how are they
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  doing Bittel in the time of the Milhama?
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  So, so the grub points out because they did it the the the
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  makshava, they ran away. There was no mice involved.
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  So you see from here that Bittel the Makshava does work that
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  Drisha says, according to the Shah Kanarakurbis Joseph, who
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  holds that Bittel has to be Bemisa.
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  The assumption is in this case it was when they left, they did
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  a quick mice or something to be Nevatolet.
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  So that's the perhaps Hasbra how it's it's not Astira running
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  away could be a mice if they're not coming back, correct.
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  It could also be the fact that you that you show that you're
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  not coming back and it's no longer a God whatsoever in your
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  eyes. Perhaps that's good enough.
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  OK, there's a there's a there's a OK, we'll just leave that as a
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  possibility. It may be Dachu may be correct,
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  but it's a if it's Bishop, no Hama, it's Aser because they're
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  going to come back. There is no Bita, but we're
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  talking about let's say it's it's a peaceful and they just,
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  they they could come back or it's peaceful and they leave it.
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  So we don't see in the Mishnah that they did a misa before they
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  left. So it could be they did a misa.
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  You have to plug it in. Or it could be like a Moshe
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  saying that the fact that they have sometimes when you have
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  when you totally negate it and show that it's not of Azar and
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  you're not coming back in Meila. That could be Bittel.
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  It's a little dokhak in the Shahanarath.
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  Khazanish says that on something else and art school quotes it
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  the art school in Hebrew Mishnais.
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  But if that applies here, all right, Sarah Kyun anyway.
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  And then so and then then the the Nosekalian point out.
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  So it depends on the case. Selling it is not as it's not
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  the same because selling it you might think you might get it
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  back. It was onus who says that the
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  Jew might use it or the person you sell it to might use it as a
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  Vada Zara. So therefore anyway, so that's
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  the little Hasbury. OK, but the case of the the army
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  is we assume Vada. He was a Bittel question is, was
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  there a mice or not? OK, let's go on to you at olive.
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  If you have the the the Varezara, the gods that they
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  broke on their own. So we learned that that's not
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  going to be battle Aniza Maisa or at least deep or perhaps
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  deep. So then Shivareya Asuri.
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  So if it broke through natural disaster, the pieces are still
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  asur. There is no bittle yet.
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  So it's Asuri in Behana until the goy comes and beats
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  mevatalit. So if you find the broken
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  pieces, it's because maybe the goyim we're not mevatalit if
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  there are pieces of it that broke, but you can still
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  reconnect or reuse those pieces. So then it's not enough to be
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  bittle on one piece. You have to be bittle on every
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  single piece because every single piece can be rebuilt or
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  reused. But if it cannot be reused and
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  perhaps you go on, you know, nowadays when everything is
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  disposable, perhaps there's a more leniency on this one.
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  But usually when things break a little bit, you just throw out
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  the whole thing. I start from scratch anyways,
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  the IM Eno kayvon Shabbatal evar ekh agnimena bitlo cola
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  shivarian. But if it's if you can't reuse
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  all those pieces. So bitol wasn't done yet.
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  So as long as you do bitol on one of those pieces that works
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  for all of them. OK.
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  And the shock points out, doesn't matter if it's big
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  pieces or small pieces, since you're not going to reuse them.
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  It's you do a little bit a bit on the on part of it, then it's
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  all butl. OK, You'd bet Mizbaya sha El
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  elim Shanif gum. Now, if you have a Mizbaya, an
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  altar used for a Varazar and a piece of it broke off the
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  somebody the the the shanif gum a dying who Aser it's still
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  usable even though it's got a little damaged and it's going to
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  be Aser Behenna until a goi comes and destroys the majority
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  of it. Bimos shouldn't have come.
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  But if it's a bimos also an altar that a goi broke off a
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  piece, even Kolshu, then it's smutter.
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  The whole thing is Bata. What's the difference?
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  What's a bimos? Bezu Misbek.
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  What's a bimos? What's a misbek?
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  Bimos is Evan Ahas. It's one stone, so if you break
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  off part of it, it's a pagama on the whole thing.
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  Mizbaya is Avani Marbe Mizbaya, the definition of mizbaya in
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  this salaka and it's made-up of many small stones and therefore
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  breaking off one of the stones is not a pagamen enough to be
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  Mavato the whole thing because it still could be usable and
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  they're born. OK, I think we'll go on I'll
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  just point out the I don't I don't know who has it in my
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  version. So I have the Erik Latham
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  Lamarikash who points out because quotes from Tosvas
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  longer Tosos, but just to point out maybe more to raise a
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  question or an awareness. He writes Geviya Shipigamo Hagoy
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  Ubitlo asura laksa lamocha Lagoy ache nitak Kulo.
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  You have a goblet, silver goblet or whatever that's used by the
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  goy. Even though in the case a piece
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  it was Pogam and it was Nevuto, in the case of Tosvos you still
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  usser to give it back to him. Tosvos says because it could be
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  Lefini either just depending on the case if it's technically
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  Lefini either or not. But giving it back to a giving
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  back anything to a priest or in the case of Tosvos or what is
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  the whatever that what is Zara is.
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  Is because you don't want to enable them even though they'll
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  still use it even though if it has a peg gum, you know, many of
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  us have a a silver Becker that gets dented, but we still keep
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  using it. So even though it has a peg gum,
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  it would could still be reused. OK and if that case so whatever.
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  And then depending on any case if it was actually Movotel or
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  not, there is could still be an issue of giving it back.
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  And if it was actually Bittel according to the Shalkhan ark or
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  not, it's it's a question. But anyways, let's go on.
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  Yudh Gilmel ha mvatal El ilim Nidbatlu mishamsha.
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  Once a goe is mvatal the Avada Zara itself.
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  So then any any of the Mishamshim for that is Avada
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  Zara. Mamela become battle as well
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  because they got all their KOA from the Avada Zara.
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  I feel imeim kharbiyad yisraal it batlu IM abada Zara shibiyada
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  goy. Let's say the Goya still has the
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  Avada Zara but he sold the mashamshim to the to the right
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  with stuff that was used for the Avada Zara.
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  That's me. You had coast for the Avada
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  Zara. So then when the Goya, when the
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  Jew owns all these Mashamshim, it could be when he bought it,
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  it's Aserbehana. But the goy, when he's Mavato de
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  Varezara, it's not magically. But all of a sudden now all of
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  the stuff that the Jew bought becomes Matarbehana.
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  So once the Jew owns the Avarizara, I think we say you
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  can't be Mavato anymore because now the Avarizara belongs to the
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  Jew and any Avarizara. So if I, if I understand
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  correctly, we say like this, if the this is actually the
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  beginning of the sema, if the Jew owns it, but he doesn't
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  consider it a vada Zara, so then it's only a dinderabanan that
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  it's Aser. And so therefore, we're we're
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  less Mahmer, especially on akzera of because if the Jew
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  owns it and treats us out of Varezara, so then it's it's in a
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  siddaraisa. But if it's a Varezara of a goy,
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  but he bots it, but he doesn't treat it.
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  He doesn't as a Varezar. I think it's only a zerah.
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  And that's spelled out in the in the GRA in siif katan pet in
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  this sieman. OK bhito Mashamsha lonit batla
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  kuhi lonit batla he doing Beto on the on the Mishamsha is doing
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  Wait, who owns it in this case? What Oh boy, Beto Mishamsha
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  learned about like he that's referring to the Avarezara.
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  If you do bittel on the mashamshim, it doesn't help to
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  do bittel on the that doesn't do Mamela Bittel on the avarezara.
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  All right, that should be obvious.
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  You're Dalit mitzvah, kolomozi alidum shivarenu.
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  We have then. OK, there's a mitzvah to remove
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  any avarezara and to destroy it. Shivarenu.
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  We have adenua. Make it lost.
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  That's a mitzvah assay to remove any of Arzara.
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  OK, the Keats on Navara. How do you do that?
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  You Sochek or Sochek, I forget it.
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  It's Sochek, Sochek, the Zora la Ruach.
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  And then you you take the shavings and you throw it into
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  the wind, O Matio, the yam. Or you throw the shavings into
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  the ocean. Or you can even the shock says
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  just take the whole item itself without doing shika and just
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  throw it into the Yamamela. OK, Or perhaps, yeah, deep
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  diving or maybe not, or maybe an ocean is OK as well.
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  He was saying you need to do shika for rivers.
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  OK, let's go on The Who. Hadin BIM mashmashea bholanasa
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  bishvila shinamar. Abed to the dune.
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  It's Kohama Komot, so you have to remove to drive out and
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  destroy Avada Zara and it's Mashamshi and let's just finish
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  Tedwav Zaraikh Lasharish Akhar Halilium is in mitzvah to go
• 24:55
  after and to remove any allelium, any of Arzara and to
• 25:02
  go after and look for it. So the first case was if you
• 25:06
  find it now, do you have to go out and search for it in homes
• 25:11
  and all over the place and buildings throughout the land?
• 25:15
  So this applies. Yes you have.
• 25:16
  There's a mitzvah the also quotes it and mitzvahs assay
• 25:20
  that this applies. The the the post scheme point
• 25:24
  out it only applies in Eretz Israel.
• 25:27
  In Kuzlaritz. You don't have to go search for
• 25:30
  it to remove it with a Khanotla shame Ganai and it's also a
• 25:35
  mitzvah 2 get when you mention the name of an Avada Zara to use
• 25:39
  the name that like a kinoy, a nickname that's derogatory
• 25:44
  exactly the shock points out that that's all that this this
• 25:49
  that you should use a derogatory Kinoy is only in Eretz Israel
• 25:53
  but the taz points out no no no, that clearly refers to anywhere
• 25:56
  in the world. It's the part that's that the
• 26:00
  the marshals referring to Dafka and Aritz Israel is only it is
• 26:05
  that's going on with shares to go search for it to destroy it.
• 26:10
  OK, I'll stop here.