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"Agatha All Along" & "The Penguin" Marvel vs DC Review · May The Review Be With You

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  Speaker 1: By the way, ye crazy, like Dorothy arrived and murdered
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  Speaker 1: someone immediately in the Wizard of High I've never really
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  Speaker 1: thought about that before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, neither great.
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  Speaker 3: Ever supposed to.
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  Speaker 1: Like she didn't do it necessarily, like she was just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like witnessed to it. She was in the house, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like is that like is that like the hicular homicide
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  Speaker 1: is homeowner homicide?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to May the Review be with You
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  Speaker 1: with Nick. I'm Joe and today on Maybe the Movie
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  Speaker 1: with You, we're doing a double header. We were talking
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  Speaker 1: about two different shows that premiered just last week. We
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  Speaker 1: have Agatha All Along on Disney Plus and we have
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  Speaker 1: Matt Reeves the Penguin on Max. So it's a great
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  Speaker 1: weekend for television. I mean, we had those two premiering,
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  Speaker 1: but like so many other shows are also going right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a great time to be a nerd. But uh, yeah, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: just just how are you feeling, you know, we we
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  Speaker 1: just got through both of these shows.
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  Speaker 3: I feeling in.
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  Speaker 2: General, I'm feeling it was a little overwhelmed because there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot a lot happened this week. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: had two episodes of Agatha, and then that was on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: and then on Thursday there's a new Penguin pilot which
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  Speaker 2: was over an hour, and then there's still the Rings
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  Speaker 2: of Power episode that came out as well on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: I still haven't seen it, which I also still have
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  Speaker 2: not seen because there's too much to go going on.
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  Speaker 2: So overwhelmed but excited that. You know, it's better to
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  Speaker 2: be overwhelmed than bored when it comes to geek life,
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  Speaker 2: which we love geek life, so here we are. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: overall awesome because I really did enjoy both openings to
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  Speaker 2: the respective series here, which we'll get into. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how about you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like literally same being an adult, it sucks just
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  Speaker 1: having all these different things going on at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: I have to carve out time to watch TV. That's
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  Speaker 1: an insane thing to say, but I but I do.
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  Speaker 3: I need to.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's how life works out. But uh, yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was overall walking away from both of these shows
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  Speaker 1: pretty excited, honestly. But both shows Agatha, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: expected two to be. I mean, after we saw the trailers,
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  Speaker 1: I expected it to be something special. Not before before,
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  Speaker 1: I was not excited for that show at all, and
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  Speaker 1: the Penguin, I think I had like no expectations for
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  Speaker 1: really whatsoever, and I went zero to one one hundred
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  Speaker 1: on this show fast.
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  Speaker 3: I am very excited about this show.
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  Speaker 1: That that being said, let's save the Penguin for last,
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  Speaker 1: and let's let's jump into Agatha Along. As you pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: it came out first, So Agatha Along Catherine has her
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  Speaker 1: own show following Oh my God Vision Division there it
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  Speaker 1: is how that blinked for a whole minute edio WandaVision
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  Speaker 1: and it's pretty entertaining. We pick up three years later
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  Speaker 1: after WandaVision overall? How'd you feel going into the episode?
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  Speaker 1: How did you feel walking away from the upisode?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was excited for it, Like I've enjoyed the
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  Speaker 2: Disney plus MCU TV shows a lot, but I was
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  Speaker 2: excited for this one because it seems almost like a
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  Speaker 2: not an unorthodox spinoff, but maybe aside from those like
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  Speaker 2: kind of the I guess a little unorthodox but really
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  Speaker 2: interesting story to tell, right because she's essentially like stuck
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  Speaker 2: in the dark hold like and I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: she's like there, like where is she are you talking
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  Speaker 2: about at the end or in the beginning, in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, at least what.
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  Speaker 1: What I had picked up from that was, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: using the dark hold Wanda, you know, imprisoned Agatha in
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, like in her own mind.
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  Speaker 2: Really right right right right.
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  Speaker 1: Which it was neat that we we started with a
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  Speaker 1: like a nod to one division. Every episode was crafted
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  Speaker 1: with a different era of television in mind, right right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And we we start right away with like a crime drama,
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  Speaker 1: which was really entertaining. Also, I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: save seen Mary of Eastown, but that that showed rules
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  Speaker 1: and this was a great like little like wink and
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  Speaker 1: like reference to it.
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  Speaker 3: Agatha of Westview.
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  Speaker 1: Great, love that more Agnes of west View, I think, yeah, great, great,
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  Speaker 1: great way to start, honestly, really really entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with the crime show thing. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're doing this till the whole time. We are not.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a fun start. And she was great too,
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  Speaker 2: because she she's such a phenomenal actress. Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's so many like subliminal messages throughout that whole first
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  Speaker 2: episode of like oh, you know, you're not really this
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  Speaker 2: isn't actually who you are like, you know what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all these like subliminal messages from all these other characters.
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  Speaker 2: But she's like really doing a great job to like
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  Speaker 2: play someone who is supposed to be there but not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be not supposed to be there, right, and.
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  Speaker 1: So she's like a she's a rendition of Agatha, but
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  Speaker 1: she's not Agatha yet.
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  Speaker 2: Right in the moment, right, So really interesting. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: really enjoyed it spooky, which is cool. I love the
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  Speaker 2: spookiness of it also far and yeah, I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: to see you know what's next there. What are your
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  Speaker 2: some of your like initial thoughts from the first two episodes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like like I said, strong start so fun,
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  Speaker 1: love the mayor of East Town Reverence. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why we necessarily start with the crime drama, or why
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  Speaker 1: the crime drama even starts to happen. We'll go back
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  Speaker 1: to that because I think there's more to unpacked with
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  Speaker 1: with that choice. But overall, yeah, it's like you said,
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  Speaker 1: it's creepy. Katherine Han is just so fun to watch
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  Speaker 1: on screen. It's easy to see why they gave her
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  Speaker 1: this show, because like she just packs so much enthusiasm
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  Speaker 1: and wit and just meanness. She's just she's just wonderful
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  Speaker 1: to watch. I'm loving all the inversions to the Wizard
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  Speaker 1: of Oz. That's been really neat uh and and so
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  Speaker 1: many of them. Right like, right from the beginning, the
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  Speaker 1: first crime is a woman who's you know, fallen from
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  Speaker 1: the sky uh and presumably got hit by something large
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't have shoes on. Right right away, it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this sounds exactly like the witch in the Wizard of Oz,
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  Speaker 1: who you know, the house falls on her when Dorothy
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  Speaker 1: arrived in Oz, which, by the way, crazy like Dorothy
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  Speaker 1: arrived and murdered someone immediately in the Wizard of High
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  Speaker 1: I never really thought.
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  Speaker 3: About that before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean neither. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose like she didn't do it necessarily, like she
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of like witnessed to it.
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  Speaker 3: She was in the house, right Like.
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  Speaker 1: Is that like, is that like vehicular homicide? I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: howner homicide, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of dead witches, speaking of dead witches, I refuse
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  Speaker 2: to believe that. I want to Maximov is dead first
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  Speaker 2: of all.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh oh yeah, this is.
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  Speaker 2: That is not okay? That is that? Okay? They dangled
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  Speaker 2: it at us and they said, no, she's the Scarlet
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  Speaker 2: Witch is dead or whatever they said. It's like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way that that's how. There's just no way.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think the more I think about it, I think
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  Speaker 1: I think she definitely is, but she's coming back. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way she's not. She's she's too great. But
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  Speaker 1: it so Wizard of Oz starts with the death of
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  Speaker 1: a witch, right, and that's that's pretty much what we get.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're told right before Dorothy, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz goes on the Yellow Brick Road
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  Speaker 1: right to meet the Wizard, which this is starting the
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  Speaker 1: same exact way.
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  Speaker 3: It's the death of a witch.
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  Speaker 1: And with the death of the Scarlet Witch, that presumably
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  Speaker 1: like makes the spell that Agatha was under weaker and
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  Speaker 1: she's able to like get out of it with help
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  Speaker 1: from Joe. Locke's character just listed mysteriously, mysteriously as teen
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  Speaker 1: I think at one point she she referenced him as
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  Speaker 1: Toto by the way, another Wizard of Oz reference.
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  Speaker 3: They're just they're all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: I love that, but uh yeah, I'm I'm deeply intrigued.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a hell of a mystery going on, especially
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  Speaker 1: with teen Right. I love Aubrey Plaza's character, the return
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  Speaker 1: of Missus Hart.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Marvel.
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  Speaker 1: Marvel is doing great with some of these like non
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  Speaker 1: traditional like comic book characters that are TV only that
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  Speaker 1: instantly become fan favorites. Yeah, and Madison comes to mind
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  Speaker 1: from she Hulk longers longers.
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  Speaker 2: So great and one why but it's not where you say.
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  Speaker 1: Missus Heart also like an instant love. She's just she's
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  Speaker 1: just happy to be invited to a party, just hanging
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  Speaker 1: out with some some gals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's cool to see uh some you know
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  Speaker 2: some of course, like Missus Hart, but you know some
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  Speaker 2: of the other Westview characters, if you will, just callbacks
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  Speaker 2: I guess or whatever. They're just being in and you know,
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  Speaker 2: put into the story and coming back on screen. Basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you for saying that there was a
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  Speaker 1: cool callback.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if you caught it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: When the witches, like the dark witches like show up for.
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  Speaker 2: Agatha, those things are creepy as hell, man, they were creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Salem seven, the Salem seven, Salem seven, that's right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Remembering that the Salem seven is super creepy when the
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  Speaker 1: team I'm just gonna call him Toto, when Toto uh
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  Speaker 1: steps outside to see like the seven show up, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just the one witch, right and then like they
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  Speaker 1: separate into seven.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Do you recognize that shot?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's from I don't remember where.
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  Speaker 3: So I recognize that shot.
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  Speaker 1: It might be a reference to something else, but I
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  Speaker 1: recognized that shot from Wanda Vision. It's the same shot
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  Speaker 1: when Wanda steps outside in either the first episode or
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  Speaker 1: the second episode and she sees like a diver come
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  Speaker 1: up from the road. Do you remember, Yeah, It's like
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  Speaker 1: it's the same exact shot where like he's just the
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  Speaker 1: diver comes up and she's like so confused to like
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  Speaker 1: see like something so like foreign and strange there. And
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  Speaker 1: they reference that completely again with this witch. That was
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  Speaker 1: a little callback to that.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: The team obviously is very mysterious, and we're not supposed
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  Speaker 1: to know really what's going on with him there yet.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really too sure who he might be.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't I don't know who he is, but I
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  Speaker 1: think I have a guess of who he's related to.
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  Speaker 2: Two things I've seen online are he might actually be
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  Speaker 2: Agatha's son, because they kind of give us a glimpse
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  Speaker 2: at she had a son at some point. Nicholas Sparks,
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  Speaker 2: I think is his name. No, that's not right, Nicholas.
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  Speaker 2: That's the fucking author of a bunch of notebooks. Amazing,
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  Speaker 2: it was Nicholas, right, Nicholas Scratch Scratch, Thank you Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I wasn't actually that far off, tragically, I said,
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  Speaker 2: an actual human beings name. The some speculation that it's
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  Speaker 2: that's her son or Mephisto.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mephisto, so I yeah, that's the popular idea that
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  Speaker 1: he's probably Mephisto. I don't think he's Mephisto. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's probably related to Mephisto in some way. Mm. And
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  Speaker 1: the number one reason why I think this is the
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  Speaker 1: name that we saw Nicholas Scratch. So fun, fun, old
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  Speaker 1: detail here a classic name for the devil, like way
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  Speaker 1: back in the day, old scratch. Really interesting that they
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  Speaker 1: named that child Nicholas Scratch right. So I'm wondering if,
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  Speaker 1: like if he is Mephisto, or like he's just related
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  Speaker 1: to Mephisto, Like there's something he's related. It's Mephisto. It's
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  Speaker 1: like somehow it's Mephisto. By the way, the only reason
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  Speaker 1: why I know that is I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen Over the Garden Wall before, but the villain
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  Speaker 1: of that show, the Beast, his name was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be Old Scratch, and that's why I found out the.
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  Speaker 2: Devil at Flash. Yeah, it's great.
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  Speaker 3: I want more Aubrey Plaza. Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not too sure where we're going this series yet.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised she wasn't one of the She's not
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  Speaker 2: one of the ones at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Who goes with the with the coven, the coven, thank you. Yeah, so, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I we we haven't talked about how
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  Speaker 1: the coven was basically Ocean's eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. Where there I'm assembling a coven. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. That was a really cool That was
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  Speaker 2: a really cool like montage of scenes, if you will.
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  Speaker 2: And then the ballot at the end there was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: That was my favorite scene of the whole first two
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  Speaker 2: episodes was them all singing the ballot together and while
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  Speaker 2: the while the Salem seven are like trying to get
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  Speaker 2: to the house, and then of course out of nowhere
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  Speaker 2: to it just the portal to the the doorway to
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  Speaker 2: the to the to the road opens up. So cool,
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  Speaker 2: so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that really was haunting melody, very very very cool.
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  Speaker 2: And the set there, the set there when they walk
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  Speaker 2: down to the road was fantastic too, like classic spooky
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  Speaker 2: Disney like set. That was really cool. I enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, actually that's a great call. It does kind of
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  Speaker 1: harken back to some like old Disney movies. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: again like another like inversion of like the Wizard of Oz,
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  Speaker 1: right is like shining in bright Town and instead it's
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  Speaker 1: this dark, haunted forest right, really really fun. Yeah, think
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  Speaker 1: thanks for bringing up the song there. I forgot to
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  Speaker 1: bring this up. I rewatched the first episode and the
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  Speaker 1: song actually comes up a few times. It's it's the
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  Speaker 1: intro song to the first episode. And it's also a
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  Speaker 1: song that that Agnes detective Agnes is singing while she's
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  Speaker 1: in the car, so she's she's thinking about it all
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  Speaker 1: the time, like even when she's like not aware that
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  Speaker 1: she's a witch. Right, it's just the road is in
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  Speaker 1: her head. It's interesting constantly at her all signs point
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  Speaker 1: toward the road. Nice, what do you think about the
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  Speaker 1: the omens that she's getting. She sees a crow or
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  Speaker 1: maybe let's call it a raven, a raven, a rat,
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  Speaker 1: and a wolf.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the rat. I'm specifically remembering the rat the most.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was maybe the most, at least to me.
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  Speaker 1: You don't remember the wolf just standing there in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of suburbia.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's been too much TV. I can't
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  Speaker 2: remember everything. The rat. The rat was the most, I
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  Speaker 2: guess obvious to me for whatever reason, I have no
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  Speaker 2: idea though, Like I don't know where the omens are
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  Speaker 2: supposed to lead, Like I don't. I'm not sure. I
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  Speaker 2: have no theories on like why, other than like maybe
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  Speaker 2: there were those were omens for the Salem Seven, like
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  Speaker 2: are coming for her prior to them actually like reaching her.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, do you have any theories?
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, I'm kind of stumped on this one. It
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  Speaker 1: could be it could be just, you know, a sign
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  Speaker 1: that the Seven are coming. But she knows that the
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  Speaker 1: seven are coming, like at a specific time, right because
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  Speaker 1: Rio Aubrey Plaus's character, she tells her they're coming, right,
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  Speaker 1: and we know exactly when they're coming, So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if if the signs are for that or if
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  Speaker 1: all right, here's here's the only theory I've got. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they are Rio, like it is Rvey Plaus's character like
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  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, she hates her so much, like
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  Speaker 1: these signs keep like pointing her into the direction of Rio,
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  Speaker 1: like the road. Maybe maybe the road is leading her
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  Speaker 1: to Rio, right, maybe the wise wizard at the end
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  Speaker 1: is you know, the inversion of like Rio's character, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's all leading to her. I don't know, considering Rio's
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  Speaker 1: not in the episode when those signs are popping up,
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  Speaker 1: I honestly that maybe they are associated with her right
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  Speaker 1: to some degree, or they are her.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's my best guess.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, I like that. It's a nice theory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh yeah, that's uh. That's kind of where
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  Speaker 1: we're at with this. First two episodes were really fun.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to to watching more for Ragatha along.
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  Speaker 2: Same, absolutely looking forward to it. And we'll see where
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  Speaker 2: the road.
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  Speaker 1: Leads, yes we will. But our road for right now,
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  Speaker 1: the Penguin, that's what we're on. That's the next stop.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The Wow, Wow, what a pilot.
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  Speaker 2: What a way to open to picking up right where
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  Speaker 2: we left off from The Batman, just like straight up
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  Speaker 2: right from where we left off, like just it magnificently done,
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  Speaker 2: magnificently done. Like enthralled. I could I could not do.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like when you sometimes you put on TV show,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's a new one, like you might occasionally
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  Speaker 2: like look at your phone or like you know, I'm
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: gonna posit real quick, get up, get a drink or
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: like whatever. You know, you can get distracted pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of those. This was like locked in hour.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot believe when I'm watching Colin Farrell just unreal performance,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like just unreal performance. And then Christine Melodi
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  Speaker 2: Meliodi also just like phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: I yeah, I I truly had no expectations for this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why. I I enjoyed the Batman
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: movie a lot. Batman movie was great. I have very
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: little to complain about it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I guess I the character the penguin himself has never
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: really been a character that's ever attracted me. I've never
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: really been interested as far as Batman villains go. He's
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: always been kind of like lower for my interest. So
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: like when they announced that they were doing this. It
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: was like, why, I mean money, I guess I.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Will say I will say that the Batman TV series
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that was actually on like I think like NBC or something.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Or no, you're talking about Gotham.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Gotham, Yeah, thank you, Gotham. Is that on Fox?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, Gotham on Fox. I never watched the whole thing,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: but I remember watching the first couple of seasons and like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, and the character the Penguin's in that series,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: he's not you know, he's not known as the Penguin.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Of course, He's known in that series as Oswald cobble Pot,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: which is his actual name, and they refer to him
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like as oz or Cobbobot or whatever a couple of
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: times in this pilot. But the reason I was interested
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: in this show was because that show has a lot
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of character development for Oswald Cobbopot and I really liked
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: that character in that in that Gotham show, and so
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: in the actor I forget the name, but who played
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: him like did a really good job in my opinion,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: And so from that show I got more interested when
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I realized that they were going to do this version
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of the Penguin from the Batman and it was gonna
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: be Colin Farrell was like, this might be really good
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: because he has a really interesting, like the characters, really
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: interesting for all these dynamics that kind of go into
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: his mind. So, and we've never really got that in
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: like a movie, right, like any of the Batman films,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Like penguin has been a villain, but we've never had
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: necessarily time to explore why. So it's this is really
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: interesting that we're getting like a mini series about specifically
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the penguin PNG one.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm sure a blink here. With the exception of
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the Batman, has has the penguin ever been portrayed, Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: by an actor on screen, with the exception of you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the Batman and Gotham.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Batman And was it Batman not Batman and.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Robin Oh, you're right, Danny DeVito was the penguin. Yeah,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not a human saying how could I how could
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I get legendary? You know?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Well, because you know, even though that was legendary, there
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: there's an argument to be made that it was forgetful.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Legendary and infamous. Yeah it was. It was a time,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: but yeah, that was the time to be Batman.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: So there's that, right, But that's maybe also the reason
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you learn't as excited.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe probably probably it's a good call. Yeah, so but
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: chill on it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, this was like it was, It's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: awesome so far, it's really freaking cool. So many I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: have so many notes too, like just things I liked.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: But anyway, you go, what's what's next in your list
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of what to discuss?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I I just I've really I want to just applaud
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: everyone who worked on the show, because I think they
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: had to do two things that were really hard. The
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: first thing that I have to accomplish is they have
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to somehow recapture the the Gotham that we saw in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Matt Reeves's The Batman, right, like the tone and the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: grittiness of like that world that they created, and that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's the best Gotham has.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Ever looked, is in that movie.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I agree, which you know, is it kind of an oxymoron.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: It's the best it's ever looked because.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Of how horrible it looks, right, And I think they,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like you said, they got us there pretty instantly, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: right off the heels of the disaster and the way
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that Gotham is is shot. It looks horrible, and it looks,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like where crime is born and raised.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Right, it takes you there very fast.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And the second thing they have to accomplish, at least
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: for a story like this, is to make the Penguin
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a sympathetic character. You gotta got a root for him, right,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And like, yeah, I've never cared for this character for
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: as long as we've you know, known Batman. Everyone knows
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: who the penguin is. Probably he's just one of those
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: like one of those rogues that sticks out in the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Batman lore, right, But I doubt there are very many
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Penguin fans out there, And if you are, please tell us,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: because I'd love to know why before this series, if
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you were a Penguin fan. I'm not Hayden, I just
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I really would love to know why you were, Like
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what was it about the character you loft? And they
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: got there right? They make him sympathetic, they make him intriguing,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and like you said, you're just kind of riveted by
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like where this guy's story is going, like right from
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the get gun. Yeah, just I'm so hyped on this
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: show right now. But you have notes what a what's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: what's on the docket there, sir.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So like things I just so like initial thoughts right
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: from the beginning, right, like, it was really really cool
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: where it picks up from the Falcone Kid's an idiot,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you know, al I think is Roberto Alberto, Like pretty
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: quickly you're you know, you're just like okay, you're all
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: right this This kid's super dumb. And the scene at
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the early part where Penguin and him are having drinks, right,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and the cool thing about the scene is right before
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: they're having drinks, Penguin is clearly like he's he's at
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Falcon's like like who he's in his club, but he's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: like looking specifically through some of Falcone's stuff, and the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: kid walks in, like al walks in and confronts Penguin,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and the Penguin's like really quick on his feet, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it was a cool scene to to kind of get
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: into the mindset of like, Okay, the penguin is is smart,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and he's really quick with his words when he's been caught, right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: He's very sly that way, and we see that later
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: too in the scene when he's having lunch with with Sophia,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: so really quick on his feet and then he so
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: he gets himself into this situation where now he's having
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: drinks with Al and they're shooting the ship and having
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a good time, and then Al starts laughing at him.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You just you just there's just something inside you. You're
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: just waiting, you know, You're just like, what this kid
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: is so dumb, Like there's no way he he lives
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: through through all of this. And of course, in that moment,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Penguin just like takes over and shoots him, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: cold blood. And but the cool part there is he
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: loses his cool though, right and immediately after he shoots him,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: he's got he's excited that he did it. And then
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: he's just like, oh, I have such a mess. I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: have to clean up. Now. Why did I.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Actually I wanted to ask you about that, Like, like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: he said, he he shoots him and then he laughs, right, yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: why do you think he laughs?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I think he laughs because he got the last laugh,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Al is giving him, is laughing at him
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for wanting to be you know, I forget the words
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that Al was using, but essentially revered, you know, yeah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and and I was just like making fun of him
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and so and Penguin hated it, and so he took
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: matters into his own hands, got the last laugh, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: then immediately remembers that now he has to clean up
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: this big mess because he's not it's not good for
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: him for people to know that who he just killed.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: That scene is what sets up the whole journey. We
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: go on over the next you know, forty fifty minutes there,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and yeah, Colin Feiller just crushes crushes this acting job.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really good.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I would say it's it's pretty he does for the record,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to take anything away from Colin Ferrell.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: But like across the board, like everyone is just like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: bringing their a game.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's really excellent, including the kid uh Ramsey Fellies
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: who plays Victor.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but by the way, I okay, so on
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: on Victor's story. So I was watching I was watching
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The Penguin with someone and they fell asleep, not because
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: they you know, weren't into it. It's just been a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: late night and they just fell asleep, right, And like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when they came back they were super into it, but
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like you know, they wanted to like a catch up
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: on like the Victor character. I explained, it was like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: let me tell you the day that Victor's been having.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Victor thought he was stealing rims from a car. Then
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a bald man threatened to shoot him, spared his life,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and then he had to move a dead body. Then
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the old man threatened to shoot him again, and then
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he basically had to dedicate his life to him. Then
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: he went to the richest side and basically acted as
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: chauffeur all around Gotham. Went to this crazy man's mother's house,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: saw him break down in front of his mom, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: then witnessed his mom being a worst like sociopath than.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Him, and then he got a job. What a day.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Victor's day is the next level insane. Also, it
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. And a couple of notes I wrote down
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: were mistakes that Penguin made in this episode that will
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: probably come back to bite him in the ass at
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: some point. And one of those mistakes is keeping Victor alive,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: even though so far it was the right choice based
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: on how the episode ends, but keeping him alive might
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: end up being a bad choice. And two keeping the
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: ring from Salvator, the ring that he takes off. He
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: takes off the ring from al Falcone's finger and then
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: he gives it to Salvator Moroni in prison as like
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a token or whatever that also might come back to
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: bite him in the ass, although maybe not as much
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: because it's not on his person anymore. But yeah, I interesting,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're right about Victor. I think there's something
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: about that relationship that is so doomed. Yeah, you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and yeah I'm not I'm not sure I know exactly
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: where that's going yet. But as far as the ring goes,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was originally his ring, right, the Salvator's.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: So Salad just has his ring back, right and fellcne.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You know, we were told that he wore it as
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like a sign of mocking the the Maroney family, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know, geniusly he gives sal the ring and he
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: does it like in what appears to be just like
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, like I'm just you know, it's your ring,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like you know this and he was mocking you for it, right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: But really he's done it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So he created an alibi.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Right, right, it ends up story Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it ends up beating like a genius move by
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: removing the finger of al and then the ring pops
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: up later with the Maroni's like it just seems.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah it was them, right, Yeah, great, great writing,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: great move, that was great.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: My jaw dropped honestly when Victor shows up with the car, Yeah, I.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Wasn't sure what. Yeah, we we didn't know what the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: task was that he gave Victor. And then as he's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: being essentially he's about to be tortured by Sophia and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the thugs, his alibi essentially crashes into their house. Yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, amazing timing. But I will say
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the other thing that stands out is like, really quick,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: what a shameful thing to do with Tuamasarati? Can we
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: just acknowledge the purple and gold awful? Not that I'm
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: complaining only the penguin, I guess.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And that ends up being important though, the fact that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it's not so subtle bar like every detail in this show.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Matters, exactly, every detail matters, which is like fascinating. One
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: thing I wanted to ask you is do you know
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: what the story is between between the penguin and Sofia?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Though I don't, I didn't Yo, Okay, No.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a character I am not familiar.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm actually not very familiar with a lot of like
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the Falcons, like Carmine Falcone like obviously like I feel
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: like anyone who's loosely familiar with like Batman, Mobster stories
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: knows him right for sure. But yeah, the rest of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the Falcon family I really don't know a whole lot about,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what's going on there.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Got it okay? Because that's an interesting development. Of course,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: she was an Arkaman. Now she's out of Arkham, so
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: she's just obviously insane as well, So it's very interesting development.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Appears to be like a like a day least in comics,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: like some sort of Batman villain with like the Monica,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a cool Moniker, the Hangman, super creepy. Everything about her
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: was so creepy. Yeah, I loved her. I loved her character.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic. Actually, the way.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: That they the torture, uh, the metal Uh what what
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: do you even call that? It's not chain, it's not
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: rope like a wire. Yeah, I'm supposed to do with words.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That's my job, literally, good with words.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Wire.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: It's okay, it's it's it's been it's been a long weekend.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: The other thing that was cool was to reveal when
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: they go out to lunch, right and the penguin realizes, oh,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I fucked up because Al has been working with his
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: sister on this deal. But you get another glimpse at
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: how quick he is on his feet when he's been
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: caught at least at least in the mental game, right,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and he really quickly gets himself out of it, at
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: least out of it enough to buy him some more time,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and that time helps him come up with a plan
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: that Victor ends up then crashing the car and with
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Al's body to get him essentially off the hook at
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: least for now. So really, really just such great detail
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: on you know, the Penguin's not just a schmuck or
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: some kind of like lackey, right, he is he can
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: be the brains of an operation based on how quick
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: he is on his feet with thinking there, So that
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: was really cool to see that. And yeah, now it's
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: going to be like we don't know what the drug
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: is either, right, the big plan to revolutionize the drug
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: business in Gotham. But that's kind of a big plot point.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I think moving forward is finding out what that's all about.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I wanted to make note of one other thing regarding
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Victor's character that I thought was a really neat reference
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to Batman comics. So Penguin is pretty much picked up
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: up what I think is fair to say a protege, right,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Like it's not just like a hired hand that that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he has, Like he's he's told Victor, he's like, I think,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: like I can make something out of you, right, you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: need me, and you know, towards towards the end of this,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: we very much see that Victor can live up to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: what he has promised.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The way we're introduced to Victor is he's in an alley, right,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and he's with a bunch of other kids who are
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: stealing the rims off of Penguin's car. That is exactly
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: how Batman gets his second Robin. Is Jason Todd is
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: stealing He's attempting to steal the rims off of the Batmobile,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and he busts him, gets him, finds his, finds him,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: finds out his story, adopts another orphan, and turns him
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: into Robin. It's the same story. So it's it's interesting
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that we're getting like a dark, corrupted verse of it, right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: The underworld.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: That's a great detail. I love that.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Batman, do you think we're gonna see him.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, And if we do, it's like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a silhouette situation, it's not like a full on scene
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: or anything.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But I don't.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I don't. I hope we don't, because you know, it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a mini series, and I think it's cool to tell
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: this kind of story without having Batman involved. Now, there
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: might be a point in the story where it feels
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like whatever's going on is too important for Batman not
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to be involved because it is Gotham. So that's going
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to be the interesting part I think moving ahead, right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: is is this going to be It feels like it's
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: going to be more of like a mob turf war show, right,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: in which case Batman maybe isn't necessarily as involved if
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it's not like a huge issue or like a huge
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: problem that has implications for like the the innocent people
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of Gotham necessarily like immediately, of course, you know, whoever
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: rules the Gotham underworld is a problem for the civilians
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: in this people. But there's gonna be a you know
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: what I mean, But it's not like a bomb going
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: off or something, right, which is you know, essentially the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: problem from the first from the Batman. So that'll be
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: interesting to see what kind of stakes we actually have
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and what the main plot point is going to be
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: for the miniseries, because it can't be too like over
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the top or else then we're gonna be like, well,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: why didn't Batman show up? So it's an interesting question.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I kind of hope that
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it doesn't because I'd like to see the story told
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: without having to rely on the Cape Crusader showing up.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: So I'm right there with you. I don't think it
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: needs Batman right now. Yeah, I am so heavily involved
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: with what's going on with Oz, I don't I don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: need him. I think I don't think we can get
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: away from not having him. I think he shows up eventually,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: but like in it, like you said, in a very
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: loose way, a small way, like maybe like in the finale,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: like you know, he plays some sort of like role
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and and maybe, you know, maybe he'll be used as
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a tool, right, you know, at some point, maybe Penguin
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: can play Batman into like doing his dirty working, you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: getting rid of his rifles.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I think I think it will happen, but I hope,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: like you said, it is a way that does not
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: shift the story toward Batman and just like minimizes that
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the Cape Crusader as much as possible, for sure.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm a I'm big hyped man.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I got a couple of scenes that stand out in
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: my head the one that I think. I mean, so
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: many scenes just did not go the way I thought
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that they were going to go. But it's pretty much
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: this whole episode is just Joe trying to catch up
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: with the plot. Like, holy God, Holy God, Holy God.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: The scene with his mom, Oh my god, yeah, missus Calipas,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Like that scene, Wow, that did not go anywhere where
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna go.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: She's crazy and.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: She's insane and such a supportive crime mobster mother.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when he told her what he did, was actually
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: wrote it down, she was like, oh my god, he
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: told us. He just straight up tells his mom. He's
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: not keeping the circle very small, you know. I mean,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: it's too too many people that know what he's done. Now.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I do love that, Like she's just not gonna let
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: it go, right, Like she pries it out of him,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and like he's trying to protect her, right, which is
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: why he doesn't want to tell her. But he's got
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: enough trust in his mom to tell her because like
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: this isn't just in insane character, Like this is one
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: of his pillars of strength, right, and it's it's basically
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: what gets him to be the penguin at this moment. No,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that was that was really cool in a disturbing way.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And I love that scene and I love that Victor
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: is just standing there and like witnessing this.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: He's like, what in the hell is.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: This this guy?
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: What a day?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: What a day?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I love.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I love the end, by the way, where they're they're
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: drinking slurpees, right, and and they have like a short
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: conversation about like hey, why didn't you like decapitate him,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Like that's what you were supposed to do, And like
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Victor gets into like all like the impracticalness of trying
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to do something like that yourself.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if I should start in the front.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: But then if you start in the front, you get
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to the back, and then if you get to the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: you're gonna run into the trichy.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like what do you do?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Like then there's a fine like ah, he's just like
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: a great like substitute for like the everyman's Yeah, yeah,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: that sounds like a problem.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I would have if I had to do something that horrible.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Was just like, all right, all right, all right enough
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: enough stop gross?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Well, Nick, let me let me ask you. Okay, Nick,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: let me ask you. So we we've gotten through Agatha
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: all all along, gotten through the Penguin. This was a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: a Marvel in DC weekend. I think this is the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: first time, at least this era of superhero storytelling, that
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: we've had two competing Marvel and DC shows premiering alongside
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: each other. So it's kind of hard not to ask
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the question of, like the verses right for pilot episodes,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: what do you think walks away here?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: DC or Marvel?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Honestly DC?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: For me?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Whins this one? Which that's Nick, I need you.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: To remind the people about what a big deal that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: is for you.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just say that the DC has been a smoking
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: ball of fire and dumpster fire, to be exact, for
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the better part of ten years. Basically everything they've come
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: out with is sucked.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Nick's just coming out swinging in the.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Comments, maybe like wonder Woman. That was excellent. The second
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: one was so bad though, that it almost takes away
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: from how good the first one was. So anyway, the
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: fact that I'm picking something DC over the MC right
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: now is insane because if you would have told me
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: that five years ago, I would have punched myself in
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the face. But this was excellent and it is well deserved.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Agatha was awesome. But there's something about the dark and
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: grittiness of the DC universe and this specific Batman universe
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: that we're now in that is really really cool and
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: it's really fun to explore that way. So that's my choice.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, DC. When's when's the pilot round? Right?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Just a captivating, so good.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: First episode for scene. Honestly, the scene between him and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Alberto just I was glued.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Mean, ultimately we'll see where where both shows are going.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Very promising starts for both. I'm still very excited to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: see what a Thought all along is going to do.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, right now, the Penguin, I wish there was
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a second episode out right now, But you know, we're
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: here for.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: The waiting game.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: We're here for the waiting Yeah, and you know, we
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: will come back to this conversation to talk about both
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: endings when we do eventually cross those finish lines. But
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, we will be talking about our thoughts
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: every week about these episodes as they are coming out,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: as well as the Rings of Power and other shows
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and movies that are coming out. Nick, where can the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: people keep up with the conversation awesome?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find as on threads. We're there just
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: talking about you know, everything going on. Of course, just
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: like Joe mentioned, please, you know, let us know what
• 42:57
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• 43:01
  Speaker 2: and let us know what you think in the comments
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: about these shows. I'd love to talk to you about that,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: and also on Instagram and yeah, that's a that's where
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: you can find us. And until next time, neither review
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: be with you, babe.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You