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RRR W/ Rob - Trust Me, I'm An Expert! · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Speaker 1: Hey there, pull up a chair.
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Speaker 2: Rob's got a question to share.
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Speaker 3: Started with a loud red rod and an old note
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Speaker 3: in the margin thinning.
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Speaker 1: Then a side road turned to three more roads and
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Speaker 1: here we go again.
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Speaker 3: A photograph, a witness, a date that doesn't quite align.
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Speaker 3: One small fact becomes a winding track by a quarter
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Speaker 3: after nine. Random research, ramblings with a rock.
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Speaker 2: Take the long way.
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Speaker 3: Let the rabbit hole bob From odd little facts To
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Speaker 3: the big what ifs We'll follow every tangent Till the
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Speaker 3: evidence slips Random research Ramblings with.
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Speaker 2: Rob Bring your questions.
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Speaker 3: Bring your curious thoughts Was it the grassy knoll or
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Speaker 3: a file misfiled?
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Speaker 2: Rob's got a.
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Speaker 3: Theory but he's checking them out No final answers, just
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Speaker 3: a notebook.
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Speaker 1: And a grin Tuning for the question And the rabbit
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Speaker 1: hole within Random research ramblings with Rob Where the side
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Speaker 1: note is.
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Speaker 2: Where we begin What's up, everybody? Welcome into the show.
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Speaker 2: It's your boy, Big Bad Bob, here with you. Trust me,
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Speaker 2: I'm an expert. And you may be thinking, Well, that's
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Speaker 2: awfully big-headed of you there, sir. Well, I'm not really
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Speaker 2: going to be talking about me so much this episode,
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Speaker 2: as I am going to be talking about what exactly
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Speaker 2: constitutes being a so-called JFK expert. Because I see a
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Speaker 2: lot of them floating around in this sphere of if
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Speaker 2: you will. And I'll just say that most of them
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Speaker 2: are horrible researchers, for one. Don't really know how to
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Speaker 2: put a thought together or convey an idea properly. or
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Speaker 2: have their facts straight, or just plain out and out
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Speaker 2: have some cuckoo, crazy, batshit ideas that they try to
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Speaker 2: speak about in an authoritative manner, and maybe they have
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Speaker 2: some kind of a background in something that would make
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Speaker 2: them a so-called expert. Okay? Let's take Cyril Wecht, for example.
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Speaker 2: I met Cyril Wecht back in 2014 at a conference.
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Speaker 2: Very cool dude. Very personable, very down to earth, and
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Speaker 2: very funny. Very funny human being. And I thoroughly enjoyed
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Speaker 2: the time spent in the hotel bar with Cyril Wecht.
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Speaker 2: That's for sure. Now, given somebody like Cyril Wecht's background
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Speaker 2: as a forensic pathologist... and him having done work on
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Speaker 2: a lot of bodies, and having been able to see
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Speaker 2: what ballistics can do to a body, one would probably
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Speaker 2: tend to raise his opinion above others when it comes
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Speaker 2: to forensically analyzing certain things about the case. And I
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Speaker 2: would agree. The problem is, however, and it's not Cyril
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Speaker 2: Weck's fault, is he didn't actually get to perform an
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Speaker 2: autopsy on JFK. All we have to go by is
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Speaker 2: what's left behind. And what's left behind are the autopsy
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Speaker 2: doctor's testimony, the autopsy notes, and some pictures. Now, it's
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Speaker 2: hard to... It's hard to formulate... I mean, it's not
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Speaker 2: hard to formulate a theory, but what it is hard
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Speaker 2: to do is to convey that theory authoritatively and be certain. Now,
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Speaker 2: one thing for certain is Zero Wekt, always called the
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Speaker 2: magic bullet... the magic bullet... What did he call it?
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Speaker 2: The magic bullshit. And I would tend to agree with
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Speaker 2: him as well. And, you know, as a forensic pathologist,
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Speaker 2: not only did he have his opinions about the actual
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Speaker 2: forensics and the pathology of, you know, what we have
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Speaker 2: left to study about JFK's body, but he would also...
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Speaker 2: give his opinion on other things. Like ballistics, like trajectories,
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Speaker 2: like all kinds of other stuff. But he mostly stayed
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Speaker 2: in his lane. You know, what he knew best. And
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Speaker 2: he did so for many, many years. And I would
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Speaker 2: consider somebody like Cyril Wecht to be a JFK expert. Now,
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Speaker 2: Like I said, the one drawback is he never was
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Speaker 2: able to forensically autopsy JFK's body. Had he done that,
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Speaker 2: had he been able to be hands-on, I would put
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Speaker 2: my trust in his opinions 100%. But without that being
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Speaker 2: the case, we can only take things so far. And yes,
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Speaker 2: there's such a thing as opinions, and then there's such
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Speaker 2: a thing as informed opinions. Experienced opinions. So, I take
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Speaker 2: none of this lightly. And I'm using him as an
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Speaker 2: example of somebody that I would put more faith in
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Speaker 2: than just some rando, right, who claims that they are
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Speaker 2: a JFK expert in the medical evidence. There are several
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Speaker 2: of these folks in the community. I think you have
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Speaker 2: to put some credence into what the Parkland doctors saw.
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Speaker 2: Less so with the Bethesda, because that is a military,
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Speaker 2: government-controlled forensic autopsy, if that's even what it was. I
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Speaker 2: don't think the doctors were allowed to do certain things
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Speaker 2: that in a normal autopsy would have been done. Also,
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Speaker 2: you know, they frankly stole the body from Parkland, from Dallas,
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Speaker 2: and whisked it back to Washington, which one could understand
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Speaker 2: that happening. You know, you got to remember, we're in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the Cold War. You have a nuclear
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Speaker 2: war around every corner. You don't want to be seen
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Speaker 2: as vulnerable at a time like that as a nation.
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Speaker 2: So our government must take steps to avoid that from happening.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what would the alternative been? You're going to
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Speaker 2: leave JFK and Dallas because you have to get the
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Speaker 2: new president back to Washington. That would be LBJ. You
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Speaker 2: have to get him back. So are you going to
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Speaker 2: leave JFK and Dallas along with his wife and all
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Speaker 2: of their entourage? Or are you just going to grab
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Speaker 2: everybody up, including JFK, and throw him in the plane
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Speaker 2: and get back to Washington as soon as possible? I mean,
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Speaker 2: people like to point things out, but, you know, it
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Speaker 2: was a different time back then. And back then it
9:48
Speaker 2: was a different time than the early 1900s. You know,
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Speaker 2: before that there was an impending doom of intercontinental ballistic
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Speaker 2: missiles and nuclear warheads and things of this nature. But
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Speaker 2: I digress. You know, I listen to some of these
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Speaker 2: so-called JFK experts. And from shows that aren't really JFK
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Speaker 2: type shows, yet they'll have a JFK expert come on
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Speaker 2: the show to talk about the case so what constitutes
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Speaker 2: being a JFK expert okay I mean is it is
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Speaker 2: it your pedigree meaning are you a former lawyer are
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Speaker 2: you a former professor are you a former law enforcement
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Speaker 2: officer Are you a former CIA officer? No. None of
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Speaker 2: those things makes you a JFK expert. It's how you
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Speaker 2: apply the knowledge that you have to the knowledge of
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Speaker 2: the case. And what I mean by that is, for example,
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Speaker 2: if you have a former CIA person claiming to be
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Speaker 2: a JFK expert and kind of claiming that they kind
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Speaker 2: of know what happened, should we trust them more than
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Speaker 2: the average Joe, somebody like a D'Eugenio who claims that
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Speaker 2: the CIA was behind everything, or do we put more
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Speaker 2: faith in the actual CIA person And can we trust
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Speaker 2: the CIA person? You know, E. Howard Hunt famously, well,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't really a deathbed confession. It was more of
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Speaker 2: a hospital confession. He wasn't exactly on his deathbed yet.
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Speaker 2: It would be some months before he would pass. But
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Speaker 2: is that the kind of confession that you can trust?
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Speaker 2: You know, they say once you're CIA, it's always CIA.
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Speaker 2: But then you look at somebody like E. Howard Hunt
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Speaker 2: and you see what happened to his wife and his
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Speaker 2: family and his kids at the end of his life.
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Speaker 2: Is somebody like that going to stay loyal to their CIA?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Or is he setting his son up
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Speaker 2: to make a bunch of money off being able to
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Speaker 2: write a book? I don't know. Or is it the
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Speaker 2: truth according to E. Howard Hunt, who was possibly in
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Speaker 2: the position to know some things? He was, of course,
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Speaker 2: in the sphere. Of course, he knew a lot of
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Speaker 2: the major players that we all talk about all the time.
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Speaker 2: But what did he really know about things? I don't know.
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Speaker 2: There's literally been over 2,000 books written about the Kennedy assassination.
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Speaker 2: Tens of thousands of articles and hundreds of documentaries. So,
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Speaker 2: who gets to claim authority over the most controversial six
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Speaker 2: seconds in Dallas? Unlike medicine, law, or traditional history, there
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Speaker 2: is no official board that makes you a JFK expert.
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Speaker 2: There is no degree or certification process to become a
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Speaker 2: JFK expert. The title is largely self-conferred or implied on
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Speaker 2: you by others, media bestowed, or earned through niche audience authority.
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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is a bunch of
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Speaker 2: Skifuza podcasts have you on, label you as a JFK expert,
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Speaker 2: and therefore you become one in your own head and
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Speaker 2: in the eyes of the viewers. Scholars like David Kaiser,
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Speaker 2: Michael Beschloss, that analyzed JFK's presidency analysis, with a broader political, diplomatic,
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Speaker 2: or intelligence context, those are one sphere. Those are what
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Speaker 2: I call the academic institutional historians, right? Really, really smart guys. Really,
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Speaker 2: really smart guys. They don't like to get into the
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Speaker 2: details of things, but more about the why. Why did
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Speaker 2: this happen? Why was JFK killed? And they can sit
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Speaker 2: there for an hour or two and give you some
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Speaker 2: very long, complicated, convoluted answer. But never really say anything.
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Speaker 2: And that's fine. You know, whatever. Or you have the
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Speaker 2: independent researchers. The JFKologists, if you will. And I guess
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Speaker 2: I'm one as well. Because I don't have any formal
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Speaker 2: training whatsoever. And these are folks who... authors, private investigators, archivists, enthusiasts,
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Speaker 2: if you will, dedicating decades into researching the case, whether
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Speaker 2: it be the documents, forensic, trajectory physics, witness statements, whatever
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Speaker 2: the case may be, you can become a JFK expert
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Speaker 2: in your field. I don't think one person can be
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Speaker 2: a so-called all-encompassing JFK expert. One person can't know everything
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Speaker 2: about the case. Trust me. Trust me. I've done over
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Speaker 2: 600 or 700 podcasts about different aspects of this case.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not running out of material, folks. Right? And
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Speaker 2: a lot of this process... in getting ready for podcasts
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Speaker 2: is studying and learning things I didn't know before. I
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Speaker 2: may have vaguely knew something about something, but when you
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Speaker 2: really dial down into one microscopic piece of the assassination,
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Speaker 2: it's so amazing what you can find. There's just so
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Speaker 2: much stuff that's out there. I mean, just think about
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Speaker 2: it for a second. How many, and look around... You
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Speaker 2: can look around. How many JFK experts do you see
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Speaker 2: on the scene today? How many of these Facebook gurus?
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Speaker 2: How many of the Ed Forum gods? How many of
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Speaker 2: the speakers at the conferences? How many of the guys
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Speaker 2: who write books who consider themselves JFK experts are on
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Speaker 2: the scene today? 63 years after the assassination. 63 years
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Speaker 2: is a long time. And there hasn't been one year
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Speaker 2: out of those 63 years that we haven't had people
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Speaker 2: actively researching the case and trying to figure out exactly
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Speaker 2: what happened. That is a lot of people. Some people come,
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Speaker 2: some people go, some people stay around for a lifetime.
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Speaker 2: Look at Mark Lane, David Lifton, folks like that. Some
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Speaker 2: people do drop off after a while. You know, some
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Speaker 2: people pass away early. Some people get frustrated with the process.
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Speaker 2: Frustrated because they can't figure it out. Frustrated because nobody's
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Speaker 2: listening to what they have to say. But maybe there's
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Speaker 2: a reason nobody's listening to what you have to say.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there is some kooky, kooky, kookiness out there.
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Speaker 2: A lot of it. Believe me when I tell you this.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know who the major kooky players are.
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Speaker 2: You know, your James Files, your Judy Bakers, your Bev Olivers.
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Speaker 2: Folks like that who have really, really put themselves off
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Speaker 2: as kooks. But then you have the lower tier level
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Speaker 2: kookiness that, you know, maybe these people have only said
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Speaker 2: some things a couple handful of times over the years
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Speaker 2: where they really don't give a crap about the Kennedy assassination.
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Speaker 2: They just might have been associated with it at some point,
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Speaker 2: and they love to mess with people. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what goes on in people's heads when it
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Speaker 2: comes to researching this case or trying to insert yourself
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Speaker 2: into history. And trust me when I tell you, the
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Speaker 2: kookiness is still out there. It is still out there.
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Speaker 2: And how some of these podcasts can have some of
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Speaker 2: these so-called JFK experts, and not just Norman Bates, but
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Speaker 2: people with actual pedigrees who should know better, right? Uh,
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Speaker 2: You know, like crime scene forensic analysts, people that have
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Speaker 2: been with police departments for 30 years, people that have
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Speaker 2: investigated crime, people that deal with people. You should know
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Speaker 2: eyewitnesses aren't reliable, right? I mean, really? Yet you want
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Speaker 2: to come on a show and talk about how one
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Speaker 2: person claimed something extraordinary. Yet nobody else in the sea
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Speaker 2: of people that were around the front door of the
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Speaker 2: school book depository ever, ever said that they saw what
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Speaker 2: this one person said they saw. But this is what
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Speaker 2: you want to focus on, is what the one person saw. Allegedly.
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Speaker 2: And trust me when I tell you, it's on a
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Speaker 2: scale of crazy. Like if it was a scale of
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Speaker 2: 1 to 10, we'd be up on like 13. Okay?
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Speaker 2: That's how crazy this, what somebody claimed. And the person
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Speaker 2: that claimed it was a part of the press. Now,
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Speaker 2: why would somebody do this? It wasn't like it is
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Speaker 2: now where being part of the press was some prestigious position,
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Speaker 2: high-paying position. The guy in question was a photographer for
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Speaker 2: a local television station who claimed that he saw something
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Speaker 2: Coming out of the front doors of the school book depository.
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Speaker 2: Immediately after the shooting. Immediately after the shooting. Yet no
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Speaker 2: one else claimed to see this. And we all know
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Speaker 2: how many people were around the front door of that building.
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Speaker 2: And trust me. It'd be like somebody walking out the
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Speaker 2: front door of the school book depository. With a decapitated head.
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Speaker 2: Fresh and dripping. And walking out of the front doors,
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Speaker 2: down the steps, and up the street. Dripping blood all
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Speaker 2: the way up the sidewalk. Yet nobody else saw anything
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Speaker 2: remotely like that. Like, this is what kooky kookiness is. Right?
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. And some people, again, they claim
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Speaker 2: to be JFK experts. But they don't do any research
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Speaker 2: more than just reading something in a book. Go look
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Speaker 2: at what the documents say. Go look at other people's
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Speaker 2: research that has been done on the subject that you're
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Speaker 2: specifically referring to. Because maybe they did a whole podcast
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Speaker 2: about it, I don't know, a year or two ago? Maybe?
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Speaker 2: And found out the truth about the situation?
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Speaker 3: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: Yet you want to come on another show and claim
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Speaker 2: that nobody's ever looked into this before? Maybe in your
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Speaker 2: little blogosphere. And especially you haven't looked into it before.
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Speaker 2: Because if you had, you would see that other people
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Speaker 2: have talked about this. Other people have figured it out.
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Speaker 2: It's not a big mystery. It's not a big mystery.
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Speaker 2: But when somebody can come on a show and authoritatively speak...
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Speaker 2: I always said Jim Fetzer is the best example of this.
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Speaker 2: He talks so much shit, but because he's a former professor, right?
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Speaker 2: An academic professional, he has the pedigree and he knows
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Speaker 2: how to speak authoritatively about what he's discussing in a
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Speaker 2: manner so that anyone who with not even a passing
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Speaker 2: knowledge of anything, would think that this guy is a
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Speaker 2: freaking expert, he knows what he's talking about, and I
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Speaker 2: better listen to what he has to say. Because he's
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Speaker 2: saying what he's saying with such confidence, imbued on the
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Speaker 2: listener or viewer, no matter how crazy or kooky it
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Speaker 2: may seem to seasoned JFK researchers, that it gets attention.
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Speaker 2: It gets the wrong kind of attention.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: There's that. There's some JFK experts that focus on the documents.
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Speaker 2: I would put myself in that category. I like... looking
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Speaker 2: at the photography and the video stuff, you'll never be
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Speaker 2: able to convince anyone or everyone that some photography has
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Speaker 2: been messed with or say the Z film has been
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Speaker 2: messed with. As many red circles and arrows as you
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Speaker 2: want to draw on a photo is not going to
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Speaker 2: convince anybody of anything. or everybody of anything. There's, like
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Speaker 2: I said, forensics and ballistics experts out there who will
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Speaker 2: focus mainly on the Z film, the single bullet theory,
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Speaker 2: the wounds, the acoustics, and there's always an argument for
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Speaker 2: all of those things, for and against. For and against,
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Speaker 2: for and against. And then you have the big picture theorists,
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Speaker 2: you know, talking about geopolitical motives, like the CIA did it,
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Speaker 2: or the mafia did it, the anti-Castro Cubans did it,
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Speaker 2: or LBJ was behind it, or the Russians were behind it.
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Speaker 2: You name it. Yes, JFK had a lot of enemies. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he did. So, how does one actually become a JFK expert? Well,
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Speaker 2: in this day and age, anybody can have a podcast, apparently,
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Speaker 2: about the subject. But if you're not a JFK expert,
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Speaker 2: that means you have to rely on having them come
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Speaker 2: on your show. And my advice to those folks would
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Speaker 2: be to properly vet... their guests before having them come
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Speaker 2: on their show and having a conversation before you record
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Speaker 2: anything with them explaining how hey we're a show that
27:48
Speaker 2: would like to be taken seriously so if you could
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Speaker 2: please leave all the kooky conspiracy bullshit out of your
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Speaker 2: little presentation that'd be great but apparently that doesn't happen
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Speaker 2: and that's okay whatever To each their own. Some people
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Speaker 2: love to watch this crap. These are your drive-by JFK looky-loos,
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Speaker 2: as I call them. Right? They have a slight interest
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Speaker 2: in the case. They love to hear the conspiracy fluff, buff-fluff.
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Speaker 2: And they just eat it up like a big ham sandwich.
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Speaker 2: Without lifting one finger on their own to do any
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Speaker 2: kind of research. to see that this so-called JFK expert
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Speaker 2: is full of crap. Whatever. Now, how do you actually
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Speaker 2: become a JFK expert if you're not self-implementing yourself as one,
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Speaker 2: of which there are many? Okay, just go look at
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Speaker 2: any conference lineup and you will see At least 50%
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Speaker 2: of them are self-declared JFK assassination experts that shouldn't have
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Speaker 2: that title. I'll just say that. Anybody can write a
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Speaker 2: book nowadays, so it doesn't make you special that you
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Speaker 2: wrote a JFK book anymore, like it used to. Writing
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Speaker 2: a JFK book 30, 40, 50 years ago garnered you
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Speaker 2: a little bit of respect because back then you had
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Speaker 2: to go through a real publishing company. who vetted your book,
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Speaker 2: who determined whether or not it had merit, truthfulness, real research,
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Speaker 2: or if it was just some thrown together piece of crap.
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Speaker 2: And you didn't get published. You know, even some of
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Speaker 2: the most respected, allegedly, JFK experts have done kooky shit.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at David Lifton. He wrote a great book,
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Speaker 2: Best Evidence, in the 80s. But, you know, he's a
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Speaker 2: Generation 1 researcher going back to the 60s. But at
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Speaker 2: some point, this guy actually thought that somebody was dressed
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Speaker 2: up as a tree... in Dealey Plaza and actually shot JFK.
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Speaker 2: Dressed up as a tree. I'm not even joking. Like,
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Speaker 2: that's not a joke. Like, he alleged that there was
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Speaker 2: somebody in Dealey Plaza who was dressed up in some
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Speaker 2: kind of papier-mâché, guerrilla-style ghillie suits to make themselves look
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Speaker 2: like a tree, and they shot JFK. I'm not even kidding.
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Speaker 2: I'm kidding. But he's a JFK expert. I mean, he
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Speaker 2: may have went on to redeem himself, but I'm not
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Speaker 2: so sure the final charade he was saying some kooky
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Speaker 2: stuff about that that never has been published yet. But
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Speaker 2: I digress on that. So When you're talking about, well,
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Speaker 2: I've made 50 posts in my Facebook group with pictures,
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Speaker 2: so I'm a JFK expert. I retweet other JFK experts
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Speaker 2: on X. Therefore, that makes me a JFK expert. I have,
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Speaker 2: I chose to start a podcast and have a bunch
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Speaker 2: of Scafusa experts on my show. That makes me an expert.
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Speaker 2: I wrote a book and got it published on Amazon. Therefore,
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Speaker 2: I am a JFK expert. I wrote an article and
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Speaker 2: it's published over on Medium where anybody can get published. Therefore,
32:16
Speaker 2: I am a JFK expert. I have a very loud
32:22
Speaker 2: opinion about things and I say things assertively. That makes
32:29
Speaker 2: me a JFK expert. You see where I'm going here, folks?
32:40
Speaker 2: Some of them have a publication and media presence. Excuse me.
32:44
Speaker 2: Meaning that they are published by legitimate publishing houses. Not
32:49
Speaker 2: like Trine Day, who will publish any kooky shit over there.
32:55
Speaker 2: But like a real... publishing house who believes that they
32:59
Speaker 2: can make money off of your book. If they don't
33:03
Speaker 2: think that they can make money off of selling your book,
33:05
Speaker 2: they're not going to. So let's talk about media presence
33:13
Speaker 2: for a second. The media wants a soundbite worthy person.
33:21
Speaker 2: And they'd much, much rather Have someone who was formerly
33:28
Speaker 2: in the media. Or somebody who knows how to talk
33:31
Speaker 2: to the media. Who knows what they want to hear.
33:33
Speaker 2: They know they want the sound bites. They can't. Give
33:37
Speaker 2: five minute answers to a 15 second question. When they
33:41
Speaker 2: have to go to a commercial in 30 seconds. There's
33:45
Speaker 2: a certain type of expert that they want. They want
33:48
Speaker 2: somebody that looks good dressed up in a suit. They
33:51
Speaker 2: don't want. Some skafooza.
33:55
Speaker 1: Who's.
33:57
Speaker 2: In their house, you know, with, with, uh, you know,
34:00
Speaker 2: babies crying in the background, dogs barking, you know, your
34:05
Speaker 2: collection of beer bottles on the wall behind you and,
34:09
Speaker 2: you know, a t-shirt and hat. That's why you're never
34:12
Speaker 2: going to see Bob, uh, on Fox news talking about
34:16
Speaker 2: the Kennedy assassination. They don't want somebody like me on
34:21
Speaker 2: their show. They want somebody like a Jefferson Morley who
34:25
Speaker 2: is an, older and more respected former Washington Post reporter,
34:30
Speaker 2: you know, they wouldn't be able to give the viewer
34:35
Speaker 2: some kind of assurance that this guy's an expert, right?
34:39
Speaker 2: And we should all listen to what he has to say.
34:44
Speaker 2: Despite him being wrong about a lot of things, but
34:47
Speaker 2: you don't need to know that part. He gives us
34:51
Speaker 2: what we want. We give him what he wants, which
34:53
Speaker 2: is exposure. Peer recognition. Acceptance within research communities. And that
35:02
Speaker 2: would be on par with the November conferences type of thing.
35:10
Speaker 2: So let's talk a minute about conferences. There's a big
35:17
Speaker 2: kerfluffle about Dallas again this year. There was a changing
35:21
Speaker 2: of the guard at Lancer. And oh my God, they're
35:24
Speaker 2: not having it at a hotel this year. Where are
35:28
Speaker 2: we going to stay? What are we going to do?
35:30
Speaker 2: Is there someplace close by? Where's everybody staying? Oh my God.
35:36
Speaker 2: You know, and then across the way, you have the
35:43
Speaker 2: cuckoo conference is what I call it. The Judy Baker con.
35:48
Speaker 2: And it used to be that, you know, JFK Lancer
35:53
Speaker 2: was a respected place. for JFK experts, in quotes, to
36:00
Speaker 2: go present their stuff. And the other conference was for
36:06
Speaker 2: all the cookie people, the Jim Fetzers, the Larry Riveras, right?
36:13
Speaker 2: You know, all of these folks, the people that don't
36:16
Speaker 2: fit in, the outcasts, the outliers, the people with these
36:21
Speaker 2: crazy theories, you know, this is where they went to speak.
36:28
Speaker 2: and over the years it has somewhat evolved into a total,
36:34
Speaker 2: almost a total switch. Like with Lancer being the butt
36:38
Speaker 2: of the jokes and this other conference, uh, seemingly rising
36:44
Speaker 2: above and eclipsing Lancer in the sphere of respectability. Not
36:52
Speaker 2: for me, but, uh, that perception can be put out
36:59
Speaker 2: there for sure. You know, people that would have never
37:03
Speaker 2: spoken at the cuckoo conference five years ago are speaking
37:08
Speaker 2: there now. Now, a lot of it does have to
37:12
Speaker 2: do with the regression, if you will, of Judith Baker
37:19
Speaker 2: into the woodwork. She used to be prominently front and
37:21
Speaker 2: center with, with no problem. You know, it was her thing.
37:27
Speaker 2: She was putting it on. It's her website. Blah, blah, blah.
37:32
Speaker 2: And then she kind of teamed up with the JFK
37:34
Speaker 2: Historical Group and they have slowly taken over the mantle there. Because,
37:40
Speaker 2: you know, Judith is getting up there in age and
37:44
Speaker 2: she's broke as hell, don't have no money. So, of course,
37:48
Speaker 2: all these JFK Historical Group guys are more than happy
37:54
Speaker 2: to take it over and make it their own But yet,
37:59
Speaker 2: we're still going to give Judith her time on the
38:03
Speaker 2: panel and this and that. If you're speaking at a
38:06
Speaker 2: conference that allows Judith Baker to speak at the conference,
38:12
Speaker 2: you're at the wrong conference. Then you might be at
38:14
Speaker 2: the wrong conference. And that's all I'm going to say
38:17
Speaker 2: about that. You have to be very careful in this
38:23
Speaker 2: little community of ours. who you associate with, who you
38:29
Speaker 2: give validity to, and the so-called JFK expert. Because Judith
38:36
Speaker 2: Baker is a so-called JFK expert. Not only did she
38:41
Speaker 2: bang Oswald back in the day and knows all that
38:45
Speaker 2: hot mess, but, you know, she also knew David Ferry
38:49
Speaker 2: and worked on clandestine things with Alton Ochsner and yada, yada, yada,
38:55
Speaker 2: and she is been years in the making 30-40 years
38:58
Speaker 2: in the making of reading and inserting herself into the
39:01
Speaker 2: story and she's one of these people with those with
39:07
Speaker 2: those claptrap minds that they can retain and enormous amount
39:15
Speaker 2: of information and serve it right back to you on
39:19
Speaker 2: a silver platter 10 minutes later and for somebody to
39:23
Speaker 2: be able to do that over the course of 30
39:25
Speaker 2: or 40 years with the information that they gleaned. you
39:28
Speaker 2: know yeah it's an amazing feat you know few humans
39:33
Speaker 2: are capable of doing it but there are people out
39:36
Speaker 2: there with photographic memories these claptrap memories and I think
39:42
Speaker 2: she's one of them and she has went over this
39:45
Speaker 2: stuff so much and she I honestly think she believes
39:49
Speaker 2: it Like she's delusional to the point of delusional. I
39:55
Speaker 2: think she's actually been lying about this for so long.
39:58
Speaker 2: It's become part of her milieu, part of her being,
40:02
Speaker 2: part of her identity. And I honestly think she believes
40:07
Speaker 2: her own bullshit at this point. But again, that's an opinion, right?
40:14
Speaker 2: Everybody's got an opinion. That's my opinion. you wouldn't catch
40:18
Speaker 2: me dead speaking at a conference where she is, that
40:21
Speaker 2: she started, where they let her speak. Because if they
40:25
Speaker 2: let her speak, and they let you speak, there might
40:32
Speaker 2: be a problem here. At least that's from my perspective.
40:40
Speaker 2: You know, for instance, how many years, you know, I
40:45
Speaker 2: don't think Judith Baker has ever been allowed to or
40:48
Speaker 2: invited to speak at a Lancer conference. For a reason.
40:55
Speaker 2: When you start giving frauds a platform, then your credibility
41:02
Speaker 2: goes right out the window. That I'm not even going
41:05
Speaker 2: to listen to what you have to say. Because I'm
41:08
Speaker 2: automatically putting you over here on a shelf in my head.
41:13
Speaker 2: And maybe that's the wrong thing to do. I don't know.
41:18
Speaker 2: But I digress. So let's take a look at something
41:22
Speaker 2: real quick. Alright, what we see here is one of
41:32
Speaker 2: the most famous images from the JFK assassination. This is
41:38
Speaker 2: the Altgen 6. And this is the wide angle, uncropped version.
41:48
Speaker 2: Lots of times it gets cut off either right here
41:54
Speaker 2: where the white car is, or it gets cut off
41:56
Speaker 2: here after one motorcycle rider, or it gets cut off
42:01
Speaker 2: right beside Clint Hill. Because everybody wants to focus on
42:06
Speaker 2: certain parts of this motorcycle. picture this image now this
42:16
Speaker 2: image is famous because it is purported to show the
42:20
Speaker 2: moment of impact or shortly thereafter of the bullet wound
42:27
Speaker 2: to JFK's throat it shows Conley looking back to turn
42:32
Speaker 2: sideways with a very wincing expression on his face right
42:42
Speaker 2: It has this motorcycle cop over here to the left
42:45
Speaker 2: looking back at JFK like, oh shit. Now, if you
42:50
Speaker 2: look at the people, they don't realize what is going
42:54
Speaker 2: on at this point. Obviously, a lot of people think
42:58
Speaker 2: it is a firecracker that they've heard. We have a
43:02
Speaker 2: lot of people smiling and waving and taking pictures. That guy,
43:09
Speaker 2: that hardhat guy, don't seem to be concerned about much
43:13
Speaker 2: He's just chilling, right? You go back to a lot
43:17
Speaker 2: of these African-American folks, and they are looking on. Some
43:25
Speaker 2: are smiling, right? And then, of course, these two Secret
43:32
Speaker 2: Service agents who are looking back towards the depository for
43:35
Speaker 2: some reason. There's a figure, Billy Lovelady, in the doorway
43:44
Speaker 2: that some have proclaimed. Oh, God, it's Leslie Harvey Oswald.
43:50
Speaker 2: It's been photoshopped in 120 different points to make it
43:55
Speaker 2: seem like it's Billy Lovelady, but it's really Oswald. And,
43:59
Speaker 2: of course, this comes from JFK Expert, who also claims
44:05
Speaker 2: that the expressway sign was removed from the Croft image
44:13
Speaker 2: or something and it's just the ridiculousness of some of
44:18
Speaker 2: these so-called JFK experts kills me. And then there's this
44:29
Speaker 2: image here of a woman holding up a child in
44:37
Speaker 2: front of a man with a hat.
44:40
Speaker 3: Okay?
44:42
Speaker 2: A lot of people think that that's been pasted in
44:44
Speaker 2: to obscure the man in the hat. Allegedly. Because that's
44:51
Speaker 2: probably Jack Ruby or somebody like that. Or maybe it's
44:55
Speaker 2: some super secret evil CIA guy. Who knows? But this
45:03
Speaker 2: is what some JFK experts will tell you. Oh, that's
45:08
Speaker 2: been pasted in to obscure his face. Clearly a woman
45:11
Speaker 2: holding a child in front of a guy with a fedora,
45:16
Speaker 2: of which many of them had on that day. So
45:20
Speaker 2: let's move on in this picture a little bit. Two drivers, well,
45:27
Speaker 2: the driver and the front passenger, Sam Kinney, I believe
45:33
Speaker 2: was the driver. They are intensely focused on JFK. Obviously
45:39
Speaker 2: realizing that what just happened could have been a bullet
45:43
Speaker 2: or a shot. Clint Hill also looking in JFK's direction.
45:50
Speaker 2: You can see JFK's hands are coming up to his throat.
45:53
Speaker 2: He has been hit. He has been hit at this point.
45:59
Speaker 2: Connolly's turning, wincing in pain. Obviously he has been hit
46:02
Speaker 2: as well. The flag here on the front of the
46:08
Speaker 2: car is obscuring the driver. Other guy in the front,
46:17
Speaker 2: you would think. In an open top convertible, these guys
46:20
Speaker 2: would be a lot more visible. It also shows what
46:25
Speaker 2: appears to be a crack in the windshield right here. Allegedly.
46:32
Speaker 2: Or right here. Maybe an impact. From a bullet fragment
46:39
Speaker 2: or a bone fragment or a ricochet or who knows what.
46:53
Speaker 2: Oh look, there's a guy in a fedora whose face
46:55
Speaker 2: they didn't hide. Imagine that. So let's move on over
47:00
Speaker 2: a little bit. You still have a lot of people
47:04
Speaker 2: hanging out, watching intently. Oh look, there's Danny Arce. Allegedly.
47:23
Speaker 2: Let's look at the Dow text for a second. Obviously
47:27
Speaker 2: there's three ladies, maybe four, hanging out the window of
47:33
Speaker 2: the second floor. I don't know if these are gigantic
47:38
Speaker 2: jugs or arms or what, but I like to go
47:44
Speaker 2: with jugs. There is a fella sitting up here on
47:49
Speaker 2: the fire escape. He's got a hell of a view
47:53
Speaker 2: of everything. And again, so do the ladies. Now, if
47:58
Speaker 2: you're looking at the windows up here, obviously, it appears
48:03
Speaker 2: that this one is shut because you can kind of
48:06
Speaker 2: see a crossmember coming down or it's partially open. Possibly. Possibly.
48:13
Speaker 2: This one's definitely open. These appear to be closed. Let's
48:19
Speaker 2: go on up to the next. This one here, it's
48:22
Speaker 2: hard to tell, but it could be open and covered
48:24
Speaker 2: with a curtain or something. I'm not sure. Or it
48:28
Speaker 2: could be closed. It's hard to see this one back here.
48:33
Speaker 2: These appear to be shut to me. But Let's go
48:41
Speaker 2: back to the Altgen 6 photograph. We have this motorcycle
48:46
Speaker 2: cop right here looking over towards JFK. Same with this one.
48:53
Speaker 2: We have the door to this vehicle open for whatever reason.
49:01
Speaker 2: And again, we've kind of tried to figure out what
49:03
Speaker 2: this is. Looks like somebody holding something in their hand.
49:08
Speaker 2: Not sure what. And now to the... what one JFK
49:22
Speaker 2: expert has concluded about this photograph due to something that
49:30
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you right here. Okay. Trying to
49:50
Speaker 2: get this in here. Alright. You notice how right across
50:07
Speaker 2: from the depository building, this is where cars are turning
50:12
Speaker 2: onto Elm, that the street juts out a little bit
50:17
Speaker 2: like this. It juts out a little bit like this.
50:28
Speaker 2: Now keep that image fresh in your mind. Also, this
50:33
Speaker 2: shadow right here on the ground where the JFK expert said, oh,
50:38
Speaker 2: his hands are straight up in the air. But if
50:40
Speaker 2: you look at the Zapruder film, there's nobody with their
50:42
Speaker 2: hands straight up in the air. Well, all right, if
50:47
Speaker 2: we have the shadows and they all appear to be
50:51
Speaker 2: falling To the left from the right. That would imply
50:55
Speaker 2: that the sun. Is up overhead. At some kind of
50:59
Speaker 2: an angle. Behind. Whoever's standing here. And they're casting a shadow.
51:10
Speaker 2: Now it doesn't mean they're standing there. With their arms
51:13
Speaker 2: above their head. They could have their arms outstretched. In
51:17
Speaker 2: front of them clapping. As a lot of people were.
51:22
Speaker 2: As JFK is literally right there beside him. A lot
51:27
Speaker 2: of people are cheering, clapping for JFK. They're happy to
51:30
Speaker 2: see him. Right? So just keep this little perspective in
51:36
Speaker 2: your mind here. And we can actually see the hands
51:43
Speaker 2: that make the shadow. Okay? Okay? so these hands aren't
51:53
Speaker 2: necessarily above someone's head, but they are maybe up in
51:57
Speaker 2: front of their face clapping. Like, yeah, JFK. They're not
52:02
Speaker 2: straight up above their head, but they may be out
52:05
Speaker 2: stretched and clapping in front of them.
52:07
Speaker 3: Right.
52:09
Speaker 2: And it's hard to say exactly who these hands belong to.
52:14
Speaker 2: There's two suspects and I'll show you them here in
52:18
Speaker 2: a second. Um, So again, the hands are up here.
52:23
Speaker 2: Somebody's obviously standing over to the right here. And we
52:27
Speaker 2: see their shadow right here on the ground going into
52:34
Speaker 2: Elm Street. Okay. So let's see here. Let's look at
52:48
Speaker 2: a more modern picture. of Dealey Plaza and Elm Street.
52:55
Speaker 2: And it's kind of from the same angle as the
52:58
Speaker 2: Algin 6. Kind of. Not really. But kind of. It
53:06
Speaker 2: appears whoever took this is standing in the middle of
53:10
Speaker 2: this far right lane here. But if you notice the curbing...
53:18
Speaker 2: on the right, right here, how it kind of juts
53:20
Speaker 2: out a little bit into the street and then curves
53:23
Speaker 2: back and then progresses on down Elm Street. So up
53:29
Speaker 2: here is the corner that people have to turn onto
53:31
Speaker 2: from Houston to Elm, all right, or come across Elm
53:36
Speaker 2: to Elm. And then the road kind of bends to
53:42
Speaker 2: the left and then kind of straightens out as it
53:44
Speaker 2: comes down this slight incline. Now again, remember this jutting
53:53
Speaker 2: out of the curb, okay? Which if we go back
53:57
Speaker 2: to the Alchins, you can see right here on the right.
54:03
Speaker 2: Right here. It kind of juts out a little bit.
54:06
Speaker 2: Kind of jut, juts. Kind of juts out a little bit.
54:12
Speaker 2: And again, if we're looking at an older picture, the
54:17
Speaker 2: same kind of the same view this time taken from
54:21
Speaker 2: the infield here of Dealey Plaza proper up on the
54:24
Speaker 2: grass and we're looking back towards the depository you can
54:30
Speaker 2: see right here how that juts out a little bit
54:35
Speaker 2: it's like a little little curve little indentation and then
54:38
Speaker 2: it comes back so you can kind of see And
54:46
Speaker 2: you can kind of see right here these shadows being
54:49
Speaker 2: cast by these two folks who are right here on
54:52
Speaker 2: the right. Almost going out into the street. Almost probably
55:00
Speaker 2: taken around the same time as the Alchins, just on
55:04
Speaker 2: a different day. Or maybe later in the day. I
55:09
Speaker 2: don't know. But you can imagine if someone was standing,
55:12
Speaker 2: I don't know, three feet closer to the road That
55:16
Speaker 2: their shadow would probably fall three feet into the road.
55:20
Speaker 2: Much like we saw. Right here at the bottom. Over
55:27
Speaker 2: the jut out. Right? Okay. Are you with me still?
55:32
Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuff that JFK experts. Hyper study.
55:38
Speaker 2: For some reason. Apparently it proves alteration of the Zapruder film.
55:45
Speaker 2: It proves that they were messing with the Alton's film. And,
55:48
Speaker 2: you know, people that really seriously believe this shit will
55:52
Speaker 2: sit here and tell you very authoritatively exactly what we're
55:56
Speaker 2: looking at here, folks. But I'm going to show you
56:00
Speaker 2: why some folks think that, you know, possibly there was
56:09
Speaker 2: some alterations going on here. Now, Let's see here. I
56:17
Speaker 2: guess we can start here. Just to give a little perspective. Alright.
56:32
Speaker 2: Now this is a view from shortly after shortly after
56:38
Speaker 2: the assassination. You see JFK's motorcycle cops have kind of
56:44
Speaker 2: or some of them, stopped in the middle of the road. Right,
56:50
Speaker 2: the Newmans are still on the ground over here across
56:54
Speaker 2: the street. Zapruder and Marilyn Sitzman were up here on
57:02
Speaker 2: this pedestal. I don't see them anymore, so they may
57:06
Speaker 2: have already dismounted. We already have a photographer over here
57:11
Speaker 2: taking that photo. Very famous picture of the Newmans covering
57:14
Speaker 2: their children right here. We have a pretty good shot
57:20
Speaker 2: of the grassy knoll in the pergola area. You can
57:25
Speaker 2: see how sparsely populated it was immediately after the assassination.
57:33
Speaker 2: And down here we have Mary Mormon on the right, seated.
57:39
Speaker 2: Jean Hill right beside her, the lady in red. The
57:43
Speaker 2: Babushka Lady. Not Beverly Oliver. Whoever she was is right here.
57:50
Speaker 2: And then seated on the lawn behind them is Charles
57:52
Speaker 2: Brim and his five-year-old son. All right. Now, at some point,
58:02
Speaker 2: these people, this group of people, that would be Mormon, Hill, Babushka,
58:08
Speaker 2: and Brim and son have moved. from their original positions.
58:20
Speaker 2: And I'll show you what I mean. Hang on one second.
58:25
Speaker 2: So let's see here. Let me show you this first.
58:38
Speaker 2: All right, this is a frame from the Zapruder film.
58:42
Speaker 2: And it's just happening as Clint Hill is getting on
58:45
Speaker 2: the back of the car. Jackie is about ready to
58:49
Speaker 2: get up out of there and get on the trunk
58:51
Speaker 2: to grab something. You can see JFK in a bad
58:56
Speaker 2: way in the back seat. Flap down. This fella right
59:03
Speaker 2: here with the camera. That is Ike Alchins. He the
59:10
Speaker 2: guy that took the Alchins 6 photograph and the Alchins
59:13
Speaker 2: 7 Alchins 7 shows Clint Hill Moore on the back
59:22
Speaker 2: of the car and Jackie he's trying to push Jackie
59:25
Speaker 2: back down into the car She's climbing out on the
59:29
Speaker 2: trunk as they go by. He follows them and takes
59:33
Speaker 2: the Alton 7 picture. But he just took the Alton
59:36
Speaker 2: 6 when the limo was way back down Elm Street
59:40
Speaker 2: a piece. I won't say way back down, but you
59:45
Speaker 2: understand what I'm trying to say here. Now what's interesting
59:50
Speaker 2: is if you look in these sprocket holes, and I
59:55
Speaker 2: don't know what we're seeing here. Or where this is.
59:59
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the top of a
1:00:00
Speaker 2: fence from across the street. I don't know if it's
1:00:03
Speaker 2: some kind of reflection from a building. Rooftop somewhere. But
1:00:09
Speaker 2: there has been talk that this appears to be a
1:00:12
Speaker 2: shooter with a rifle. Either on top of the knoll.
1:00:17
Speaker 2: Or on top of something. Or it could just be
1:00:22
Speaker 2: a whole lot of nothing. Who knows? Who knows? But
1:00:28
Speaker 2: it's odd that it looks exactly like a shooter. But
1:00:36
Speaker 2: I digress. Probably means nothing. It's probably Paradiola or whatever
1:00:42
Speaker 2: they call it. Paradiola. All right. So here we have,
1:00:51
Speaker 2: at the moment of impact, JFK is bringing his hands
1:00:58
Speaker 2: up to his throat, the same image we see in
1:01:02
Speaker 2: the Altgen 6. Now, this guy here, and what appears
1:01:12
Speaker 2: to be blue or white, is what we call in
1:01:19
Speaker 2: this game the Apron Man. The Apron Man. And if
1:01:27
Speaker 2: you watch the Zapruder film, he has his hands out
1:01:30
Speaker 2: in front of him and he's clapping. And so does
1:01:33
Speaker 2: this black gentleman behind him with the Kangol on. He
1:01:39
Speaker 2: is also clapping as JFK goes by again. These folks
1:01:45
Speaker 2: likely don't know exactly what is going on quite yet. And,
1:01:52
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to see these people. rocket hole
1:01:54
Speaker 2: images and try to figure out what they are that
1:01:58
Speaker 2: appears to me to be the overpass maybe i don't
1:02:03
Speaker 2: know it's very uh it's very odd so are the
1:02:12
Speaker 2: shadows that we see apron man and kangol man You
1:02:22
Speaker 2: see they're standing very close to the curb. Their shadow.
1:02:25
Speaker 2: Or at least this guy's shadow. Would have been out
1:02:27
Speaker 2: in front of him. Possibly out into the street. He's
1:02:31
Speaker 2: definitely clapping. Or. Let's see. Alright. Here we have. Mormon
1:02:48
Speaker 2: and Hill. This is. Marianne Mormon right here with her
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Speaker 2: Polaroid camera up to her face, getting ready to take
1:02:58
Speaker 2: the iconic photograph at the time of impact. We're literally
1:03:04
Speaker 2: microseconds away from it, if not at the exact moment. Now,
1:03:10
Speaker 2: in the big scheme of things, allegedly, we have Altgens
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Speaker 2: down here off to their left, our right, somewhere off screen.
1:03:25
Speaker 2: And to their left, or to their right and our left,
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Speaker 2: would be Charles Brim and son with a babushka lady
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Speaker 2: somewhere in behind them. Let's see if we can get
1:03:37
Speaker 2: a little bit more perspective here. All right. All right,
1:03:49
Speaker 2: so we have here Charles Brim. And his son. His
1:03:54
Speaker 2: little five year old son. And they're also standing. Very
1:03:58
Speaker 2: close to the curb. And he has his hands up
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Speaker 2: in front of him. Like he's clapping. Right. Clap on.
1:04:07
Speaker 2: Clap off. The clapper. And is this babushka lady back there.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't really tell from this photograph.
1:04:18
Speaker 2: Or this still. But again. JFK's head has not. exploded
1:04:24
Speaker 2: at this point yet but it's coming but he also
1:04:34
Speaker 2: does not he's not sitting upright with his with his
1:04:37
Speaker 2: hands at his throat anymore he has since started to
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Speaker 2: slump so at that initial point of impact it would
1:04:46
Speaker 2: have been back to our left back up Elm Street
1:04:50
Speaker 2: a little ways and Alt Jens who is down here
1:04:53
Speaker 2: looking back up Elm Street could have possibly caught Brim's
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Speaker 2: hands and his shadow back this way a bit when
1:05:04
Speaker 2: JFK was initially hit. Let's take another look at Now
1:05:23
Speaker 2: we can't see JFK here, but when he does come
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Speaker 2: out from the back of the RL Thornton Expressway sign,
1:05:29
Speaker 2: his hands are up to his throat. You can kind
1:05:31
Speaker 2: of see it start to be here. Connolly is turning
1:05:34
Speaker 2: to his right. I'm not sure if he's been hit
1:05:38
Speaker 2: yet or not. But we do see Kangol Man and
1:05:43
Speaker 2: Apron Man over here. Again, hands up and clapping. Hands
1:05:47
Speaker 2: up and clapping. Hands up and clapping. somewhat close to
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Speaker 2: the curb. Now let's see things from a different perspective.
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Speaker 2: This would be from the other side of Elm Street.
1:06:12
Speaker 2: This would be from the Knicks film. We see Jackie
1:06:21
Speaker 2: climbing out on the trunk. They are right across from
1:06:25
Speaker 2: the steps that lead up to the grassy knoll picket
1:06:28
Speaker 2: fence area. Clint Hill is still trying to get on
1:06:32
Speaker 2: the back of that damn car. At this point, Alt
1:06:37
Speaker 2: Jens is right here. He's looking that way and he's
1:06:41
Speaker 2: probably getting ready to take his iconic Alt Jens 7 photograph. Again,
1:06:46
Speaker 2: for perspective, Mary Mormon and Gene Hill are Back to
1:06:51
Speaker 2: our right. And then Charles Brim and Babushka Lady further down.
1:06:58
Speaker 2: And then Apron Man and Kango Man further down the net. Alright.
1:07:10
Speaker 2: So now we have a view from behind. You see
1:07:17
Speaker 2: how the Bushka lady is kind of behind Charles Brim
1:07:22
Speaker 2: and his five-year-old son. His arms are up. He's clapping.
1:07:26
Speaker 2: JFK is slumping. That final head shot has not occurred yet.
1:07:35
Speaker 2: And again, a little further down to their left, our left,
1:07:42
Speaker 2: you're going to have Mormon and Hill and then Altgen's.
1:07:48
Speaker 2: And then to their right, you're going to have Apron
1:07:50
Speaker 2: Man and Kangol Man. Okay. Here's a good one. All right.
1:08:06
Speaker 2: It's at this point. And you can see from the
1:08:11
Speaker 2: misting above JFK that this is the exact moment that Mormon,
1:08:16
Speaker 2: Mary Mormon here, in the navy blue jacket is taking
1:08:21
Speaker 2: her picture her famous Polaroid picture of Kennedy at the
1:08:26
Speaker 2: point of impact there you see Gene Hill here in
1:08:30
Speaker 2: red the cops are looking now you have the babushka
1:08:38
Speaker 2: lady again standing here right behind Charles Brim Alchins is
1:08:44
Speaker 2: going to be to their left still I promise we're
1:08:57
Speaker 2: going somewhere with this, folks. I promise. Alright, here we
1:09:04
Speaker 2: have Mormon's photograph. She's taking at the point of impact, right?
1:09:16
Speaker 2: It still has Jim Featherstone's fucking thumbprint on there. Jackass.
1:09:24
Speaker 2: If you look up here, you can see the Pruder
1:09:25
Speaker 2: and Sitzman up on the pedestal. You can see this
1:09:32
Speaker 2: is the point of impact. You got three Scafusas on
1:09:35
Speaker 2: the steps. They turn and hightail ass up the steps
1:09:40
Speaker 2: after this headshot. Again, who can see anything in this
1:09:47
Speaker 2: photo from the top of the fence line? I don't know.
1:09:51
Speaker 2: It's very hard to But that wasn't the only photo
1:09:58
Speaker 2: that Mormon took that day. She also took a picture
1:10:03
Speaker 2: of this motorcycle cop who I don't know if it
1:10:08
Speaker 2: was Gene Hill that was dating him or one of
1:10:11
Speaker 2: her other friends that was dating him. I don't know.
1:10:16
Speaker 2: But in this photo she managed to get the school
1:10:18
Speaker 2: book depository in the photo. The damnedest thing though damnedest
1:10:25
Speaker 2: thing Is it cuts off right at the freaking sniper window.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: Alleged sniper window. Unbelievable. Or maybe it wasn't even high
1:10:42
Speaker 2: enough to catch it. I don't know. It's hard to
1:10:45
Speaker 2: count floors here. Because the doorway is right here at
1:10:51
Speaker 2: the bottom in this little black section. The TSBD doorway. Okay. So,
1:10:59
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if she would have caught and had
1:11:04
Speaker 2: a clearer photo, but imagine if she would have caught
1:11:07
Speaker 2: that and then this. She'd have been the most famous
1:11:13
Speaker 2: woman in history. But it was not meant to be.
1:11:18
Speaker 2: All right. So let's see what's going on a little
1:11:25
Speaker 2: bit here. What in the Sam Hill is going on
1:11:27
Speaker 2: in Dealey Plaza? Alright, so up here in the corner,
1:11:31
Speaker 2: this is after the assassination, of course, you have Mary
1:11:37
Speaker 2: Mormon showing her photo to Jim Featherstone. I believe he's
1:11:44
Speaker 2: from one of the local news agencies. And he puts
1:11:48
Speaker 2: his stupid thumbprint on her fucking Polaroid at that point.
1:11:54
Speaker 2: She's showing him, you know, because the Polaroid prints out instantly,
1:11:57
Speaker 2: just like Any Polaroid camera. So again, right here we
1:12:06
Speaker 2: have Charles Brim and his son still standing there trying
1:12:09
Speaker 2: to figure out what in the Sam Hill does happen. Right?
1:12:14
Speaker 2: I don't see... I mean, it's hard to tell, of course.
1:12:18
Speaker 2: Jean Hill is all in red. But I don't believe
1:12:24
Speaker 2: that she had a babushka on, so this is not her.
1:12:27
Speaker 2: I don't see Jean Hill anywhere. I'm guessing she'd already
1:12:31
Speaker 2: crossed the street and went up to the knoll like
1:12:33
Speaker 2: she said she did. Now right here is what appears
1:12:37
Speaker 2: to be the babushka lady. The real one. Not Beverly Oliver.
1:12:43
Speaker 2: This old hag right here with her little babushka on
1:12:46
Speaker 2: and her tan jacket and her thick cankles. Right? Hard
1:12:54
Speaker 2: to tell. Hard to tell. But again, this is some
1:13:00
Speaker 2: of the immediate aftermath, if you will, of the assassination.
1:13:08
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to give you guys a perspective on
1:13:12
Speaker 2: where everybody was, where they were standing, yada, yada, yada. Because,
1:13:20
Speaker 2: we're talking about perspective here. Alright, I'm going to show
1:13:26
Speaker 2: you this. This is This is a map done by Madman, apparently.
1:13:32
Speaker 2: It's one of them things that you start and you
1:13:36
Speaker 2: just got to keep adding and adding and adding and
1:13:38
Speaker 2: adding to. It's great smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.
1:13:44
Speaker 2: But the portion in question that we're looking at here
1:13:49
Speaker 2: is right about in here. Right here in black it
1:13:52
Speaker 2: says Gene Hill and underneath that in green is Mormon.
1:13:58
Speaker 2: Down here in black is Altgen's, where he was standing.
1:14:07
Speaker 2: Right here in black, we have Brim. And then up
1:14:14
Speaker 2: here in the purple, you have Apron Man and Kangol Man.
1:14:20
Speaker 2: And then we have that rounded part of Elm Street.
1:14:28
Speaker 2: That is seen in the Altgen 6 photo. Right here.
1:14:33
Speaker 3: So.
1:14:33
Speaker 2: If you're Ike Altgen. Standing way down here. And you
1:14:38
Speaker 2: have a telephoto lens. Pointed back. At the school book depository.
1:14:44
Speaker 2: Back up Elm Street. You're going to capture. This bump out.
1:14:50
Speaker 2: On the curb. At the turn. It's going to be.
1:14:56
Speaker 2: Somewhat apparent. Now the question, the question, folks, is where exactly,
1:15:10
Speaker 2: and we'll go back to it, where exactly, again, looking
1:15:24
Speaker 2: back from Altgens with a telephoto lens, you can see
1:15:28
Speaker 2: the bump out. Right here. You can see the hands up.
1:15:36
Speaker 2: You can see clapping. Now this so-called JFK expert went
1:15:42
Speaker 2: on a podcast and claimed that these hands and this
1:15:46
Speaker 2: shadow belonged to Charles Brim. Who obviously was not standing
1:15:55
Speaker 2: this far back up Elm Street. Obviously. near this bump out,
1:16:02
Speaker 2: which is across from the TSBD, right? Yet he claims
1:16:07
Speaker 2: that this is evidence that the Olchins has been messed with.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: That those Charles Brim's hands and this shadow that shows
1:16:19
Speaker 2: his hands above his head is evidence that this photo
1:16:24
Speaker 2: has been messed with. You can't make this stuff up, folks.
1:16:34
Speaker 2: If I was a betting man, I'd put my money
1:16:37
Speaker 2: on the fact that this is probably Apron Man that
1:16:42
Speaker 2: was standing way back further up Elm Street. And Algins
1:16:50
Speaker 2: is turned back in this direction again all the way
1:16:56
Speaker 2: up Elm Street to the point of you know, he's
1:17:00
Speaker 2: got a wide telephoto lens and he takes an amazing
1:17:06
Speaker 2: freaking picture. And I agree with the so-called JFK expert.
1:17:12
Speaker 2: This is, this is not an issue of forced perspective
1:17:17
Speaker 2: or compression or anything like that. I think whoever was
1:17:20
Speaker 2: standing here right after the bump out, likely apron man
1:17:25
Speaker 2: and Kangol man, uh, I believe Kangaroo Man was standing
1:17:30
Speaker 2: further back than him. That's why you don't see his
1:17:32
Speaker 2: shadow cast down into the street. But that's pretty much
1:17:38
Speaker 2: the only people that we see in the Zapruder film
1:17:43
Speaker 2: in this position at the same time that we see
1:17:49
Speaker 2: Kennedy with his hands up to his throat. Remember this
1:17:56
Speaker 2: is a Zapruder film when we're seeing this from the
1:17:57
Speaker 2: other direction. And you saw who was in the background
1:18:02
Speaker 2: of that photo. And if you don't, let me remind you.
1:18:13
Speaker 3: Let's see.
1:18:14
Speaker 2: Where is... Where is my guy? There he is. Again.
1:18:38
Speaker 2: Right here. Hands up to throat. Connolly's not turned yet. So,
1:19:00
Speaker 2: does it really matter whose hands we're seeing at this time?
1:19:08
Speaker 2: It's definitely not Proof that they altered the Ultgens though.
1:19:14
Speaker 2: I can tell you that. Again. We have this guy
1:19:21
Speaker 2: standing here. And again. Remember this is a colorized version.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: Of the Zapruder film. This is not. This is not
1:19:29
Speaker 2: how it looked coming out of Zapruder's camera. This is
1:19:31
Speaker 2: a very fucked with. Colorized version. Stabilized. Colorized. All kinds
1:19:39
Speaker 2: of eyesed. version of the Zapruder film. So even though
1:19:42
Speaker 2: it may appear blue, this could have been a white
1:19:46
Speaker 2: or khaki uniform with the guy with the apron on.
1:19:52
Speaker 2: He was a butcher who worked down the street. And again,
1:19:56
Speaker 2: you can see Connolly turning right here. This more matches
1:20:02
Speaker 2: the Altgen's shot. Because Connolly's turned to his right. He's
1:20:08
Speaker 2: starting to wince. JFK's got his hands up to his throat.
1:20:13
Speaker 2: And lo and behold, over here we got somebody clapping
1:20:16
Speaker 2: with their hands out straight in front of him. Casting
1:20:19
Speaker 2: a shadow into the street. So, you have to be
1:20:26
Speaker 2: very careful when you're throwing things out there into the
1:20:31
Speaker 2: public domain just thinking that because you don't understand How
1:20:38
Speaker 2: something works. Or looks. Or you haven't done the due diligence.
1:20:41
Speaker 2: You've just read in a book. Something that's caught your eye.
1:20:46
Speaker 2: Or whatever. And yet. You want to come on a show.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: And be a proponent. Of this theory. Without doing your
1:20:57
Speaker 2: due diligence. Or without looking for yourself. And trying to
1:20:59
Speaker 2: see what makes sense. You know. You're poisoning people's minds.
1:21:05
Speaker 2: By just coming on and saying. Well look. Because of this,
1:21:10
Speaker 2: you know, the Ultron 6 has been manipulated. And well,
1:21:14
Speaker 2: then you get into, well, who could have done that?
1:21:16
Speaker 2: When did they have time to do it? Who, you know,
1:21:19
Speaker 2: who has the power to do that? And then it's
1:21:22
Speaker 2: become some great grand conspiracy. Great grand conspiracy of all
1:21:29
Speaker 2: things known to man. And look, people get things wrong.
1:21:37
Speaker 2: I get it. That's part of it. But if you
1:21:43
Speaker 2: knowingly participate in spreading false information that means you're a
1:21:52
Speaker 2: disinformation agent. You're doing a disservice to the community by
1:21:57
Speaker 2: doing this. The people having you on their shows and
1:22:01
Speaker 2: portraying you as a JFK expert are harming the entire
1:22:08
Speaker 2: conspiracy community by doing that. Because it makes it real
1:22:12
Speaker 2: easy for the other side, the lone nutters, to come
1:22:15
Speaker 2: and say, well, look, obviously this guy's an idiot. He
1:22:18
Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's talking about. Here's what is actually happening.
1:22:23
Speaker 2: This is why these kooky conspiracy theories, you can't trust them,
1:22:27
Speaker 2: you can't believe them. It's a bunch of nonsense. You
1:22:31
Speaker 2: can clearly see here, blah, blah, blah, blah, X, Y,
1:22:34
Speaker 2: and Z. And you make it real easy for them.
1:22:38
Speaker 2: to denigrate the conspiracy theory side of the JFK assassination
1:22:45
Speaker 2: research community. And like I said, we get things wrong.
1:22:50
Speaker 2: We do. But you better have them right before you
1:22:57
Speaker 2: want to get out and disseminate them all over the place.
1:23:02
Speaker 2: For views, or what have you. I don't know why
1:23:09
Speaker 2: some people do this. There are folks that promulgate it.
1:23:16
Speaker 2: They will allow it on their show. I don't get it.
1:23:27
Speaker 2: It's always the bright, shiny objects that gets noticed the most. Yet,
1:23:33
Speaker 2: in your quest for the truth, you are in fact
1:23:37
Speaker 2: a purveyor of disinformation. At least in my eyes. And
1:23:45
Speaker 2: ain't nobody got time for that. But, I digress. I'm
1:23:52
Speaker 2: just a self-proclaimed JFK assassination expert. What do I know?
1:24:05
Speaker 2: I know a little bit about a lot. I know
1:24:07
Speaker 2: a lot about a little. Yet there's a difference between
1:24:15
Speaker 2: coming on the air and exploring a topic and making
1:24:22
Speaker 2: the caveat, hey, I know this sounds crazy. I know
1:24:26
Speaker 2: this sounds crazy, but hear me out. This is probably
1:24:29
Speaker 2: a bunch of bullshit. This guy that was in the
1:24:32
Speaker 2: media probably understands sensational journalism and decided, hey, this is
1:24:39
Speaker 2: my opportunity to get famous, so I'm going to say
1:24:41
Speaker 2: some crazy shit. Right? Despite the fact that nobody else
1:24:45
Speaker 2: saw anything like this. You know, it wasn't very long
1:24:52
Speaker 2: after the Kennedy assassination that we saw the rise of
1:24:55
Speaker 2: the Weekly World News and the Tattler and the National
1:25:00
Speaker 2: Enquirer who loved putting stories like this on their front page.
1:25:08
Speaker 2: But we all knew it was bullshit. Right? So, why.
1:25:15
Speaker 1: Bother?
1:25:16
Speaker 2: But, I digress. This JFK expert is heading to bed
1:25:25
Speaker 2: after another crazy week, crazy day of some random research
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Speaker 2: ramblings with Rob. That's right. Your boy is Dunsky for
1:25:36
Speaker 2: this week. And we're putting together a very interesting show
1:25:42
Speaker 2: for you next week. I cannot wait to share it
1:25:45
Speaker 2: with you. Until then, thank you for hanging out with me.
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1:25:51
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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. Peace.
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Speaker 1: Started with a loud red rod and an old, an
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Speaker 1: old and a margin thin. Then a side road turned
1:26:35
Speaker 1: to three more roads and here we go again.
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Speaker 3: A photograph, a witness, a date that doesn't quite align.
1:26:43
Speaker 3: One small fact becomes a winding track by a quarter
1:26:46
Speaker 3: after nine.
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Speaker 1: Random research, ramblings with a rock.
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Speaker 3: Take the long way. from odd little facts to the
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Speaker 3: big what ifs we'll.
1:27:00
Speaker 1: Follow every tangent till the evidence slips random research ramblings
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1:27:13
Speaker 3: Was it the grassy knoll or a file misfiled? Rob's
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Speaker 3: got a theory but he's checking them out No final answers,
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Speaker 3: just a notebook.
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