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Mini: Coulrophobia · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Why we do what we do Many I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host Abraham.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm your host Shane.
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  Speaker 1: We are in the spooky month of October. But this
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  Speaker 1: is our first year of doing bite sized mini episodes,
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  Speaker 1: and so it occurred to us we need to think
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  Speaker 1: of how we want to approach this for the month
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  Speaker 1: of October. And the idea we landed on, at least
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  Speaker 1: for this year, maybe all future years, is like, let's
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  Speaker 1: just unpack the phobia. Let's take a phobia. Yeah, act that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that makes a lot of sense, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: a mini is a quick turn into some topic, and
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  Speaker 1: most phobias specifically have like a quick description of what
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  Speaker 1: they are. And I was like, that's perfect. So here
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about clowns.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who are afraid of clowns, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure that you're not thrilled that we're talking about this.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into the clown I do think
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  Speaker 2: it's important to understand because this is the first time
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  Speaker 2: we're doing minis about phobias. I know we did. Did
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  Speaker 2: we do an episode on phobias before?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't think we have.
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  Speaker 2: Do we did either? Okay, so then let's unpack this
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  Speaker 2: real quick, just for the sake of if this is
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  Speaker 2: the first mini and the first time that we're going unpacking.
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  Speaker 2: Phobias A phobia is an anxiety disorder type of thing
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  Speaker 2: that causes an extreme, irrational and persistent fear of an object, play, situation, feeling,
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  Speaker 2: or animal, sometimes numbers, sometimes circumstances, a lot of things,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes long words. The phobia word for the fear of
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  Speaker 2: long words is one of the longest words in the
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  Speaker 2: English language, which is just I feel like it's cruel
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  Speaker 2: to make somebody say that. So we are unpacking kind
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  Speaker 2: of like this general anxiety about specific things, and today
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  Speaker 2: our phobia is fear or no, not fear, I'm just kidding. Clowns.
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  Speaker 2: I've got fear on the brank. If we just recorded fear,
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  Speaker 2: it's clowns. Clowns are the scary thing.
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  Speaker 1: This is also called the cool row phobia if you
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  Speaker 1: want to show off your trivia knowledge or someone's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: what is cool roophobia. That's that's what the official name
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  Speaker 1: for the fear of clowns are. But of course, why
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  Speaker 1: is this even a thing. Clowns aren't supposed to be scary,
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  Speaker 1: but one of the greatest books in history made clowns
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  Speaker 1: enemy number one, Not really but if you know the story.
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  Speaker 2: But still they're scary. Penny Wise is scary. Penny Wise
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  Speaker 2: is scary.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, cool raphobia fear of clowns, even though they're
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  Speaker 1: not supposed to be a thing, that's scary. So what's
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  Speaker 1: going on here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, so what's interesting is cool raphobia didn't really begin
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  Speaker 2: to emerge as a formal term until the nineteen nineties.
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  Speaker 2: So actually that timeline matches really well with it coming
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  Speaker 2: out fair point. Do you think about it? Like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that actually, you know, like tim Curries, it was in
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  Speaker 2: the you know, mid to late eighties, right or early nineties.
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  Speaker 2: It was early nineties, so like cool fundy, it can
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  Speaker 2: really starts showing up. Yeah, So it didn't start showing
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  Speaker 2: up until the nineties, the late nineties even So.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, one of the first tracks on an early Between
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  Speaker 1: the Very Me album is cool with Phobia is what
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  Speaker 1: it's called?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Is that on Silent Circus? Yes, that's a
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  Speaker 2: good album. I like that one.
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  Speaker 1: That was impressive that you got that that quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I was like thinking about its like, it makes sense
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  Speaker 2: that it would be in Silent Circus if it is
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  Speaker 2: cooler with phobia. But also I love that album a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites.
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  Speaker 1: It's good, all right. So why is it called this thing?
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  Speaker 1: And particularly why are we coming up with names like
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  Speaker 1: this in the nineteen nineties, you know, because where people
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  Speaker 1: are going to keep doing that? But sure, cool row
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  Speaker 1: or cool ra is Greek for stilt walkers, which I
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  Speaker 1: think we could assume were way scarier than clowns, These
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  Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty feet tall people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, way scarier. Like people that are taller than me
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  Speaker 2: already freaked me out. So like stilt walkers, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: it's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: So you are very tall.
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  Speaker 2: I am very tall, but when people are taller me,
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  Speaker 2: I've had the experience recently where I've met people who
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  Speaker 2: are like a couple inches taller than me and it
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  Speaker 2: like unnerves me. And then I went and I go, wait,
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  Speaker 2: do people feel like this around me? And it's very
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  Speaker 2: it's very upsetting to think that I unnerve people because
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  Speaker 2: I'm taller that there. Soo who experiences core phobia, well
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  Speaker 2: about one inten adults have a fear of clowns, not
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  Speaker 2: maybe like severe like this severe, like this high level,
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  Speaker 2: but like there is a strong dislike for clowns. So
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there may be should be a maybe
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  Speaker 2: a support group for clowns and dentists to get together,
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  Speaker 2: because you feel like like they are like two professions
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  Speaker 2: that people seem to not like it all or get
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  Speaker 2: a bad rap, but they do like pretty decent things.
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  Speaker 2: They're likely just trying to help they're true, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: all it is. There's no there's very few clowns that
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  Speaker 2: are trying to harm people. And we'll talk about one later,
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  Speaker 2: but there are very few clowns that are trying to
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  Speaker 2: harm people, and so I mean, I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it only takes one. Like I guess maybe that's why
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  Speaker 2: people don't like dentist because it's not their giggles. Do
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  Speaker 2: you remember that movie Hold? Then?
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  Speaker 1: When did Killer Clowns from Outer Space come out?
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  Speaker 2: That was for sure the eighties. Okay, yeah, so I
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  Speaker 2: guess that's fair too. Turning people in the cotton candy
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  Speaker 2: that's probably not a great spot. So one study found
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  Speaker 2: that ten out of a thousand children that were in
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  Speaker 2: a hospital setting were terrified of clowns that were brought
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  Speaker 2: into the hospital to cheer them up. So think about
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  Speaker 2: this for a second, like you're a clown and you're like, hey, kids,
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  Speaker 2: I know you're not feeling well. I'm coming to bring
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  Speaker 2: you some balloon animals and maybe even spray you with
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  Speaker 2: a flower that squirts water on my shirt. Isn't that cute?
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, there are these kids that are sick
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  Speaker 2: that are like I would rather be anywhere else then
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  Speaker 2: see whatever it is you have to offer me, you
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  Speaker 2: are the worst.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, I'm just coming to cheer you up,
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  Speaker 1: Like I already feel terrible. Why are you torturing me? Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is worse fun math fact ten out of one
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  Speaker 1: thousand is also one out of one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what the study said. So I just
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  Speaker 2: went with that. But yes, one out of one hundred. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. I was just like, there's probably an easier
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  Speaker 2: way to say that, but okay, yeah, it would make sense.
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  Speaker 1: People who are at a greater risk for anxiety disorders
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  Speaker 1: or phobic disorders are more likely to experience a fear
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  Speaker 1: of clowns, and that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So how did it happen? Well, there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of ways it can happen, but we
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  Speaker 2: won't know how it happens until these ads play.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're talking about how it happens, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess to extent why it happens, because we are a
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  Speaker 1: podcast called Why we do what we do. Yeah, there
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  Speaker 1: are some things to consider around for clowns that I
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  Speaker 1: think sort of do inherently lend themselves to I guess
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  Speaker 1: a presentation that could be a sort of evoke fear.
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  Speaker 1: And one is that is the makeup aspect of clowns.
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  Speaker 1: Makeup masks a person's facial features. It can just dirt
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  Speaker 1: facial expressions, and this can lead to feelings of distrust
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  Speaker 1: or unease since you're unable to recognize the person and
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  Speaker 1: see them for who they are. Generally speaking, when we
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  Speaker 1: see differently formed bodies in it all, that can be
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  Speaker 1: something that we don't know how to react to when
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  Speaker 1: we're very young. In particular, if someone is born with
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  Speaker 1: limb differences like that initially can be a little scary
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  Speaker 1: because we're just not used to seeing it. And then
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  Speaker 1: when we see someone who has been traumatically injured in
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  Speaker 1: a way that has them be disfigured, that can be
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  Speaker 1: really hard to see because we don't like seeing trauma
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  Speaker 1: come to other human beings when we're normal, right, I
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  Speaker 1: guess people who do enjoy seeing trauma come to other
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  Speaker 1: human beings, please go turn yourselves in immediately. Yet the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us do not enjoy that, And so like,
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  Speaker 1: even though sometimes those are congenital or they're done just
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  Speaker 1: to be sort of fun, I think just because of
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  Speaker 1: sort of the novelty of it, that the strangeness of it,
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  Speaker 1: it can be off putting for some people who just
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  Speaker 1: aren't used to seeing it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, Absolutely, And you think about like clown makeup. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about it more later, but a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the costumes are also a little bit exaggerated as well,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, you've got really big feet, big shoes,
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  Speaker 2: like big hands, and it's kind of like just like
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  Speaker 2: a giant red nose, like a lot of like distortions
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  Speaker 2: of features, which can be very very unsettling for people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, some other situations you might have traumatic experiences related
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  Speaker 2: to clowns. I think of like those old like movies
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  Speaker 2: that depict when you know, adults are a lot taller
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  Speaker 2: than kids and they say things that are not necessarily nefarious,
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  Speaker 2: but they say it in a tone that the kid
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  Speaker 2: interprets as the farious like I think of like like
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  Speaker 2: a clown leaning in, like you know, it's one of
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  Speaker 2: those shots where the camera's looking up at the clown
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  Speaker 2: and the clown's really tall, and the clowns leaning in
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  Speaker 2: and going, don't.
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  Speaker 1: You want to pie your face? Kid?
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  Speaker 2: Or something like that, you know, something like really ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: and over exaggerated, which is like meant to be fun,
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  Speaker 2: but the kid interprets it as kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a bad So like the traumatic experience might not be
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  Speaker 2: something that was actually like a bad event. It might
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  Speaker 2: just be an interpretation of like some event, or it
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  Speaker 2: could be an actual traumatic event that happened with a clown.
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  Speaker 1: Or when the clown leans over and says, we all
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  Speaker 1: float down here, you'll flow too.
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  Speaker 2: You'll flow to Yeah, it's like that would scare me,
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  Speaker 2: not that.
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  Speaker 1: That's so scare me. Genes do not cause phobias. However,
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  Speaker 1: some people may be more prone to being afraid of things,
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  Speaker 1: such as clowns due to genetic things that could be
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  Speaker 1: related to mental health and mental health conditions. So you
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  Speaker 1: could have genetic conditions that exacerbate mental health conditions in general,
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  Speaker 1: and again people then are more prone to fear like
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  Speaker 1: things could be more prone to being afraid of things
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  Speaker 1: such as clowns in the way that they appear.
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  Speaker 2: Right, some people may learn that clowns are scary or
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  Speaker 2: dangerous or whatever just based on languaging. Yeah, somebody who's
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  Speaker 2: never experienced a clown or never been around a clown,
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  Speaker 2: if all you've ever heard your entire life or that
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  Speaker 2: clowns are scary, clowns are terrifying, clouds are dangerous. I'm
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  Speaker 2: afraid of clowns. Then the first time you meet a clown,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be like, oh, this is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that we're talking about. I gotta run. Yes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like it makes sense, like some sometimes you might set
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  Speaker 2: a rule before you even meet a clown very much.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think people can make a big deal
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  Speaker 1: out of it and sort of someone who I think
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  Speaker 1: is maybe charismatic and persuasive, who's talking about how they're
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  Speaker 1: afraid of clowns. Then other people can hear them and say, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you are right, clowns are scary. I believe the things
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  Speaker 1: that you say because I like you as a person. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And so then they see a clown they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I remember I'm supposed to feel fear now, right, or
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  Speaker 1: at least behave that way, and that could actually then
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  Speaker 1: sort of eventually morph into a real tangible fear or
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  Speaker 1: someone who's like, I want to have a thing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say I'm afraid of clouds because then I
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  Speaker 1: have a thing. And people could be like, that's his thing.
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  Speaker 1: He's afraid of clowns and that's his thing, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I have a thing now, yeah, And that can also
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  Speaker 1: be a way that that develops people like having a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Something I've wanted to unpack more on this show is
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  Speaker 1: the tendency even want to have a thing. Yeah, thing
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  Speaker 1: that's your thing specifically, and that people sort of know
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  Speaker 1: you for that thing characteristic you know exactly all right,
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  Speaker 1: when people see that clown and your friend told you
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  Speaker 1: should run away from that clown, You're like, okay, friend,
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  Speaker 1: I'll believe you. I'm gonna run away from that clown.
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  Speaker 1: We feel the other things that we feel when we
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  Speaker 1: feel Phobia's which is we breathe fast, we have increased
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  Speaker 1: heart rate, We might have profuse sweating and the sort
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  Speaker 1: of terror feeling of wanting to escape. We could even
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  Speaker 1: experience nausea or trembling. Our heart's gonna raise our pupils
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  Speaker 1: are going to dilate. See our episode on fear that
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  Speaker 1: we just released talking about all those symptoms and how
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  Speaker 1: they happen. But that is what will happen, yep.
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  Speaker 2: And you know there's no set diagnostic criterion for this.
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  Speaker 2: You can't go in the DSM and find cool erphobia,
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  Speaker 2: so you can't really get formally diagnosed with it, but
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  Speaker 2: you know you've got it if you have the above
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  Speaker 2: symptoms when you see pictures of clowns, or avoid parties
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  Speaker 2: or do things that last like these, like really kind
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  Speaker 2: of egregious symptoms that last for more than six months. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so like you might and that might be more of
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  Speaker 2: an anxiety disorder or a panic disorder or something along
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  Speaker 2: those lines rather than just calling it, like you can't
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  Speaker 2: get diagnosed with colorphobia, you might get diagnosed with something else.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right. A couple other quick interesting tidbits before
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  Speaker 1: we wrap up on this now. Traditionally, clown makeup is
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  Speaker 1: applied beginning with white face. However, that does not have
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  Speaker 1: to be white. That's just sort of a common trope.
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  Speaker 1: Other colors that are added include red, blues, blacks. They
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  Speaker 1: just they're kind of going for a vibrant, decolored sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Painted gestures if you will.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: These are used to paint on the nose, eyebrows, and mouth.
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  Speaker 1: These can be standard or they can be grossly exaggerated.
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  Speaker 1: Oftentimes they will paint on a big smile, the idea
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  Speaker 1: being that it's sort of got a cartoonish grin on it,
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  Speaker 1: But of course that can always look very confusing and
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  Speaker 1: distorted and weird depending on how it's done, Like the Joker.
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  Speaker 1: In some cases, you can use tones for a gust
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  Speaker 1: of the clown who has a pink or flesh tone.
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  Speaker 1: Bass can go the tramp style clown, which includes a
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  Speaker 1: lot of black and has a gray beard. Generally speaking,
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  Speaker 1: the features are sort of rounded and soft, though again
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of trying to look like a cartoon come
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  Speaker 1: to life in a way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a really important feature that you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna find in most kind of innocuous clowns is that
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  Speaker 2: all of the ways they paint on, all the features
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  Speaker 2: are very rounded, very soft, very welcoming. Yes, and this
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  Speaker 2: is really important when we talk about you know, the
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  Speaker 2: next little bit. So I imagine you're here if you listen
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  Speaker 2: to podcasts, I imagine part of the reason you listen
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  Speaker 2: to podcast is because you maybe like some true crime. Well,
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  Speaker 2: here's the little true crime that we're going to insert
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  Speaker 2: into this episode. John Wayne Casey Okay was a serial
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  Speaker 2: killer and sex offender that is is known for his
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  Speaker 2: portrayal as a clown. He was later called the killer
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  Speaker 2: Clown because that was kind of a big part of
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  Speaker 2: his personality as a little clown and all that. But
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  Speaker 2: it's been reported that people were not particularly thrilled with
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  Speaker 2: his clown performances. They did not like his clown performances.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't a very good clown, and you might go, well,
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  Speaker 2: why besides being a serial killer. The other part of this.
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  Speaker 1: Was that was why because he kept killing people on stage.
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  Speaker 1: He kept killing people, and they're like, I like this show,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not coming back.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of resources for this show. It seems
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  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of star review, one star review,
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  Speaker 2: no things. So part of the reason they didn't like
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  Speaker 2: his clown show though, is because his makeup was not
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  Speaker 2: traditionally clown makeup. So he would do the white face
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  Speaker 2: and he would have all of the things that went
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  Speaker 2: along with it, but every bit of his makeup was pointed,
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  Speaker 2: so it was sharp edges, triangles, like, everything was pointed
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  Speaker 2: and not rounded. And so it just made it so
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  Speaker 2: that it was even less welcoming than the more exaggerated features.
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  Speaker 2: When you watch The Joker with Joaquin Phoenix, his makeup
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  Speaker 2: is all very pointed. It's not rounded, it's smeared, it's pointed.
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  Speaker 2: It's very targeted compared to like the traditional clown makeup.
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  Speaker 2: And that's actually something people have noted is very uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: to see.
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  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. All right, Well, we've
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  Speaker 1: run a little long for a minis so, I mean
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  Speaker 1: not super long. We're right about the time that we
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  Speaker 1: need to be. But I think that is what we
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  Speaker 1: have to say about clowns. We mentioned a bunch of clowns.
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  Speaker 1: This killer clowns from outer space, there's it, or Penny Wise,
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  Speaker 1: there's John Wayne Gacy. There's a bunch of places that
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  Speaker 1: you'll see all these clowns and they're very scary, and
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  Speaker 1: that can be very fun or very scary, but that
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  Speaker 1: is cool coolrophobia if you will. Yep, that's it, we
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  Speaker 1: did it, all right, anything else do you have to
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  Speaker 1: add to this one? Shane, I sort of wrapped us
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  Speaker 1: up there.
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  Speaker 2: Be nice to the clowns.
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  Speaker 1: Be nice. Yeah, there's still people who still go out
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  Speaker 1: and try to be clowns in they're really just trying
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  Speaker 1: to be fun and bring some levity to situations.
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  Speaker 2: They try to be joy bringers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to be playful. Oh Fizbo the clown
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  Speaker 1: from a modern family. There it goes fun. Yeah, all right. Anyway,
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