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The Manosphere | Yaron & Nikos Dialogues · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: A lot of them, fundamentals of last self interest.
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  Speaker 2: And an individual lots. This is the show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, everybody, welcome to your one book show. Well
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  Speaker 1: you on a Nicos show, not the one bookshow. Then
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  Speaker 1: and Nicos dialogues, and we are back week three of
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  Speaker 1: our conversations. Uh, today's going to be I think super interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a topic I haven't I've talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about. But Nicos, I know, has done a lot
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  Speaker 1: of research and has delved deep into many of these topics,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to kind of talking to him
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  Speaker 1: about it. It is, as some of you have noted,
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  Speaker 1: it is my my birthday today, so and as Darius,
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  Speaker 1: who who I guess just has a way with woods,
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  Speaker 1: puts it, damn you old. Well, thank you, Dolly. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that I am. You know, I don't feel old.
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  Speaker 1: But it turns out that this is my sixty fifth birthday.
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  Speaker 1: So I am now officially part of the Senior Citizens Club,
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  Speaker 1: whatever that means. But I still plan to beat most
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  Speaker 1: of you out on most things physical and in terms
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  Speaker 1: of energy and everything else. So don't count me out
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  Speaker 1: yet quite yet. Neo says, you thought I was twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight nice, nice, nice. All right, So today we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about the manosphere, and you know, Nico says kind of
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  Speaker 1: funny story about how he first discovered the minosphere, the
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  Speaker 1: first talkie ever gave in the manosphere. So why don't
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  Speaker 1: we start with that, and then we'll shift and I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell my story about how I got into that circumstances
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  Speaker 1: of the manosphere.
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  Speaker 3: So where some point around twenty fourteen, very recently discovered
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  Speaker 3: objectivism free market economics. So back then YouTube is relatively young,
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  Speaker 3: so there's a very finite number of amount of material there.
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  Speaker 3: So I think at that point I had lost every
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  Speaker 3: single yar own Brook lecture on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: They were not that many, they were probably not thirty.
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  Speaker 3: One of these thirty was on something called the twenty
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  Speaker 3: one Convention, which was back then the main gathering like
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  Speaker 3: the ocon of the manusphere to put it, to put
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  Speaker 3: it that way, and here is theeron giving a talk
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  Speaker 3: about I guess selfishness. So yeah, that's that's my first contact,
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  Speaker 3: I think without movement for a lot of better word.
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  Speaker 1: So it was very much mine. It was my second.
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  Speaker 1: I think London was my second. I think I'd given
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  Speaker 1: a talk for the same group in Florida maybe the
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  Speaker 1: year before, and it was like it was like I
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  Speaker 1: went in, I gave these two talks, and I stepped
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  Speaker 1: back and watched this thing go from something that looked
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  Speaker 1: suspicious to me to something that became unbelievably ugly and offensive.
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  Speaker 1: And I still get emails from the guy who organized
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  Speaker 1: those conferences, Anthony Dream Johnson is his name, who claimed
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  Speaker 1: to be an objectivist and who probably still claims to
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  Speaker 1: be something related to objectivists, and be started the distancing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we obviously didn't connect on a number of
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  Speaker 1: different issues, including ultimately politics and Trump, and but the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing looked weird because it was a conference in
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  Speaker 1: which pick up artists who invited, so people who are
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  Speaker 1: really really good at I guess, finding ways to engage
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  Speaker 1: with women and get them maybe to sleep with them.
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  Speaker 1: We here were exercise people and some good exercise people,
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  Speaker 1: that is, some legit people that I ultimately followed, some
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  Speaker 1: diet people, you know, legit. I think that we're doing
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  Speaker 1: interesting work, so a bunch of different things, from picking
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  Speaker 1: up to health. The audience was ninety nine percent male.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of women there, but Anthony Johnson's
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  Speaker 1: a good example, he went from being interested in objectivism
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  Speaker 1: and if I'd be me because I was an objectivist
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  Speaker 1: and wanting to talk about objectivism, to being a complete
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  Speaker 1: nutcase and a really you know, horrible human being, as
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  Speaker 1: his emails projected. So let's talk about partially that transition.
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  Speaker 1: Where does the manosphere start? What is the what are
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  Speaker 1: the origins? What really is it? And where did it start?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, let's start with some definition so that
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  Speaker 3: people know what we're talking about. And the reason I
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  Speaker 3: know a lot about it is because I have a
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  Speaker 3: whole chapter on it in my book on Identy, Politics
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  Speaker 3: and tribal and So there was a time when do
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  Speaker 3: come out twenty one, so my knowledge is mostly on
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  Speaker 3: that era. But recently I had to again engage with
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  Speaker 3: that world because this movement that started us we're going
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  Speaker 3: to give you advice on seduction or romantic success now
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  Speaker 3: has become this hot bed of conspiratorial thinking and this
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  Speaker 3: nest of antisemitism.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start with the definition, right, what is the manosia?
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  Speaker 3: Let's put it simply, think about a nonline world and
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  Speaker 3: online ecosystem where mostly young men come together, they congregate,
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  Speaker 3: They set the premise, They said the belief that modern
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  Speaker 3: society is hostile to men, that we need to find
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  Speaker 3: a space where we can fight this hostile world. And
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  Speaker 3: this is a space that offers that there's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a path towards an ideal of masculinity. And why
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  Speaker 3: is this movement attractive? It is attract because it offers
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  Speaker 3: advice on how to navigate relationship with women, and such
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  Speaker 3: advice is also based on very particularly view of human
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  Speaker 3: and female nature. So the manuseur's attraction is that it
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  Speaker 3: offers advice and promises a solution on a problem that
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  Speaker 3: is almost universal for a young man, how to attract
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  Speaker 3: the opposite sex. But also this community has developed this
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  Speaker 3: worldview that perceives modern societies as undermined by feminism, by liberalism.
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  Speaker 3: So these days you find yourself engaging with the mansar
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  Speaker 3: and it is as if you are engaging with the
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  Speaker 3: friends walk right. To put it this way, you have
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  Speaker 3: usually the same things anti Semitism, hostility to big pharma,
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  Speaker 3: and and so forth. That's why you have people who
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  Speaker 3: were seduction experts then wearing their maga hat.
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  Speaker 2: So now the history, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's so to what extent did there's a
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  Speaker 1: hy is from legitimate grievances. That is, to what extent
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  Speaker 1: is has something happened over the last I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: thirty years that has changed the relationship between men and
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  Speaker 1: women that has caused men to feel this way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, before we before we get there, let's take it
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  Speaker 3: a step back, because that's the thing. This did not
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  Speaker 3: start as a movement of grievance. This started as a
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  Speaker 3: movement that offered simple dating advice. So in the early days,
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  Speaker 3: there was no manosphere. There was let's put it seduction experts.
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  Speaker 3: It's what you might have heard as you know, the
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  Speaker 3: area of the game and something that you'll see in
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  Speaker 3: the manocer. It usually jumps in whatever band vangos and
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  Speaker 3: is popular at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Spent the early nineties.
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  Speaker 3: It was self help advice influenced back then by neuro
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  Speaker 3: linguists programming NLP. There was a guy called Ross Jeffries
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  Speaker 3: who came up with something called speed seduction, and the
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  Speaker 3: idea was that by using some techniques and some tricks,
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  Speaker 3: you bypass the rational barriers of women and you get
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  Speaker 3: straight to the more let's say, primal level, and that
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  Speaker 3: you achieve seduction. That's important because we'll see throughout the
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  Speaker 3: history of the manosphere. There's this idea that human beings
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  Speaker 3: are very deterministic. You just need to find the tricks,
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  Speaker 3: the mechanisms, and then you can figure out how to
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  Speaker 3: make them do what you want. And you know, the
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  Speaker 3: NLP was not just about seduction. Tony Robbins very famously
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  Speaker 3: used the NLP to become.
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  Speaker 2: What he became.
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  Speaker 3: Next, we want to the time when the manosphere became,
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  Speaker 3: or that the pickup community.
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  Speaker 1: Can ask saying so, of course that attached stage at
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  Speaker 1: that point when it was about seduction. Was it just
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  Speaker 1: about sex? Always it about a relationship? Was the whole
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  Speaker 1: point of getting around the women's rational side is to
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  Speaker 1: stop getting in bed and that's all that mattered? Or
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  Speaker 1: was there something more than more to that?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was initially it was about seduction, but the
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  Speaker 3: point was it's a numbers game. If you manage to
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  Speaker 3: become good with women and you get to date, let's say,
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  Speaker 3: with one hundred women, one of these might get a
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  Speaker 3: good to be a good to be a good way.
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  Speaker 3: But what you ask gives us the key to the
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  Speaker 3: next major development in the manusc Here. So we are
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  Speaker 3: around the early two thousands now and the book The
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  Speaker 3: Game comes out. The game is written by Mills Strauss,
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  Speaker 3: who was a mainstream journalist.
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  Speaker 2: He was someone who was writing for the New York
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  Speaker 2: Times and.
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  Speaker 3: For the Rolling Stone, and he gets let's say underground.
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  Speaker 3: He goes native with a pickup community, following a guy
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  Speaker 3: called Mystery, and because Nil stre a great is a
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  Speaker 3: very good writer. The book is a fascinating read. It's
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  Speaker 3: a fun read. But people who read the book all
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  Speaker 3: came to the same conclusion like, Okay, all this is
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  Speaker 3: nice and it's fun, but these guys are end up heartbroken.
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  Speaker 3: Mystery the great seduce, who is the guy Neil Strauss follows.
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  Speaker 3: He has constant mental breakdowns because he's so in love
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  Speaker 3: with some women. So he said, uses ninety five women,
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  Speaker 3: but five women he's in love with, and he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: know what to do. So the next level is, look,
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  Speaker 3: pickup tricks are not enough.
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  Speaker 2: We need to fuse seduction with self development.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the era towards twenty ten where pick
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  Speaker 3: up artistry and self development slightly slowly come together. This
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  Speaker 3: is the time we find many people in the manosphere
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  Speaker 3: on what starts on what today we call the manosphere.
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  Speaker 3: This is when you have people quoting I rant. This
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  Speaker 3: is where you have people suggesting in their forums, like
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  Speaker 3: the real social dynamic people old timers will know them.
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  Speaker 3: They were let's say that some virus splits from the
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  Speaker 3: early pick up community, but they were suggesting the Atlas
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  Speaker 3: rug and the founded yet in the forums. And this
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  Speaker 3: is the time where you can find some like the
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  Speaker 3: twenty one convention inviting Yaron Brook to give a talk,
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  Speaker 3: because the idea is we try now not only to
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  Speaker 3: have tricks, Now we try to have this whole like
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  Speaker 3: this integrated development of.
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  Speaker 2: Your character so that you can also attract.
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  Speaker 3: A good wife and you don't don't just sleep, let's say,
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  Speaker 3: with a desperate desperate women or women with low self esteem.
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  Speaker 3: And at this point our viewer might be wondering, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: but what does all this have to do with politics.
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  Speaker 3: You told us at the beginning, this is about the tryabalism, antisemitism.
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  Speaker 3: How is this in any way related to tricks how
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  Speaker 3: to seduce human women? So in the early two in
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  Speaker 3: the late two thousands, there's a parallel movement growing on
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  Speaker 3: the side, let's say, of the PUA community.
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  Speaker 2: And it claims that that men.
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  Speaker 3: Do not just need tricks to seduce women or even
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  Speaker 3: to build a good character. They also need an integrated
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  Speaker 3: worldview that explains to them how the world really is.
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  Speaker 3: They need an integrated view of what it means to
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  Speaker 3: be a man in the twenty first century. It's like
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  Speaker 3: how objective, say libertarian is when an economics is not enough.
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  Speaker 3: It's politics, it's economics, but you need something more. You
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  Speaker 3: need the base to erect politics and economics. Something similar
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  Speaker 3: happened with the manager and the philosophy that supposedly will
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  Speaker 3: give you a worldview that makes you understand what the
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  Speaker 3: world out there is. Is what we call the red
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  Speaker 3: pill and what became known as the red pill obviously
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  Speaker 3: the red pill the metaphor from the Marxist you see
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  Speaker 3: the world for what it really is. The most famous
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  Speaker 3: figure in that movement is a guy with the norm
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  Speaker 3: to get the nickname Rational Male. He wrote the series
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  Speaker 3: The Rational Man. I was rereading it, and it's interesting
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  Speaker 3: that at that point he presents himself basically as what
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  Speaker 3: they do is praxeology, which means I give you the
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  Speaker 3: facts how human beings act. I don't involve include any
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  Speaker 3: moral evaluation.
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  Speaker 2: Women are like that.
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  Speaker 3: You can believe it and act on it however you
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  Speaker 3: want or you can pretend it is not so. And
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  Speaker 3: how are women like By the way, what are the
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  Speaker 3: main tenets of the red pill? So the red pill
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  Speaker 3: has a world which is very much influenced by evolutionary psychologist.
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  Speaker 3: So we're not anymore in NLP and go to the subconscious.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're to a different type of determine, which is
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  Speaker 3: evolutionary psychology. And there you have some formulations that you
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  Speaker 3: might have heard as, for example, the concept of hypergamming,
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  Speaker 3: hyper the idea that women always want to mate up.
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  Speaker 3: And interestingly, as an example of hypergaming in the rational
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  Speaker 3: men and others have used Dagly Tiger Metal thrugd because
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  Speaker 3: again they are in a dialogue, let's say, with people
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  Speaker 3: like kind Ran because this was the time when the
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  Speaker 3: red pill and self development were close together, and said, look, Dagne,
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  Speaker 3: she goes from Francisco to rare them to spoiler alert gold.
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  Speaker 3: And this is an example of hypergama. A woman who
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  Speaker 3: always wants to go with more, how to put it,
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  Speaker 3: a male which is higher in the pecking order, and
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  Speaker 3: they're all so you have this this idea of a
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  Speaker 3: hierarchy and the idea of an alpha male and a
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  Speaker 3: better man who can hear the terms thrown around in
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  Speaker 3: the nineties or much. They become prominent with the Red pill,
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  Speaker 3: and they built let's say.
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  Speaker 2: This parallel discipline of sociologists.
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  Speaker 3: Think about it as gender studies for men, explaining to
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  Speaker 3: you how the world works in relation to the gender.
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  Speaker 3: So now we are at the let's say, the first
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  Speaker 3: decade of the twenty first century. So we have the
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  Speaker 3: seduction community fused with self development and on the other hand,
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  Speaker 3: people who are not necessarily engaged in steduction, so the
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  Speaker 3: rational So this guy is married and the monogamous. But
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  Speaker 3: it's hey, I'm going to explain to men how the
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  Speaker 3: world works. And these two worlds come together and they
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  Speaker 3: are in dialogue with each other. Have got Are we
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  Speaker 3: good till now? Do we get it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? So you've got basically two types of determinists who
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  Speaker 1: who are you know, who are coming together? But in
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  Speaker 1: a sense, the deeper thinkers of the red pil ones,
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  Speaker 1: the ones who have deeper ideas about about all of this, Yes, because.
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  Speaker 3: They include a sociological view. They tell you what type
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  Speaker 3: of world you live in, and they tell you and
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  Speaker 3: that you live in it, and yes.
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  Speaker 1: Part of that that they are responding to feminism. That
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  Speaker 1: is part of that that they are that they are
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  Speaker 1: now you know, spanning to feminism and women in the
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  Speaker 1: workplace and all of this.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's the idea is we live in a ginocentric
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  Speaker 3: social order, Zino center social order, which means a social
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  Speaker 3: order where women have now.
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  Speaker 2: The upper hand.
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  Speaker 3: But at that time feminism is not that in your
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  Speaker 3: face as it becomes later.
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  Speaker 2: So the key moment, the key moment is.
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  Speaker 3: Aroun twenty fifteen, because that's the time when the manosphere
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  Speaker 3: enters the battlefield of the culture wars and culture wars
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  Speaker 3: which around the time is dominated by me too aggressive feminism,
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  Speaker 3: and you have the earthquake of the mega movement and
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  Speaker 3: Trump tumps as this bulldozer that we destroy everything which
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  Speaker 3: is the established allowable opinion.
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  Speaker 2: And this means he will have to go and collide
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  Speaker 2: also with feminists.
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  Speaker 3: So the manosphere, these people that now have realized themselves,
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  Speaker 3: we are men who are red peel and we are
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  Speaker 3: men who are castigated by this gener centering social order.
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  Speaker 2: Now we have an ally.
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  Speaker 3: Now we have a political bandwagon that we need to
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  Speaker 3: jump on. But also there's one more development and we
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  Speaker 3: need to mention also this and this is where it
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  Speaker 3: gets actually darker. We have some men who get a
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  Speaker 3: different lesson from all this, and the lession is that, look,
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  Speaker 3: women are beyond redemption. Feminist has destroyed women. Feminists means
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  Speaker 3: that men are not There's no place for us. And
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  Speaker 3: their point is, therefore, we will withdraw, we will withdraw
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  Speaker 3: from the sexual let's say market, the social market. They
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  Speaker 3: will say the juice is not worth the squeeze, and
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  Speaker 3: they see women as actively.
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  Speaker 2: Dangerous, actively dangerous. And this becomes even bigger with the
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  Speaker 2: air of me too.
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  Speaker 3: And again in dialogue with let's say people who like
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  Speaker 3: I run, some of them call it they're going gold.
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  Speaker 2: They go on a strike. You might have heard these
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  Speaker 2: people as Mick Taos.
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  Speaker 3: Mick Taos men going the wrong way, which is I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to interact with women. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: get married because then the state in the case of
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  Speaker 3: divorce is going to screw me.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore I will go on a strike.
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  Speaker 3: And even darker sub category, let's say, or split from that,
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  Speaker 3: is what became known as the insects, involuntary celibate, people who.
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  Speaker 2: Internalize this identity that there's no hope for me. I
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  Speaker 2: am in the category of the better males.
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  Speaker 3: Back in the day, women had the need for me
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  Speaker 3: because they needed the provider. But now with the sexual liberation,
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  Speaker 3: now that women can have careers, now that welfare stated
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  Speaker 3: is providing for women, women don't need me to provide
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  Speaker 3: for them. They will go and sleep with the alphas.
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  Speaker 3: And therefore we are not anymore needed. Therefore we will withdraw,
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  Speaker 3: But we will withdraw in despair and resentment.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you one thing.
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  Speaker 3: I've had viral videos in favor of Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten less.
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  Speaker 3: Pushback from I don't know proper Estinians than I have
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  Speaker 3: from inselts.
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  Speaker 2: And I never said anything bad about insults.
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  Speaker 3: I was in a panel of incense and I said
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  Speaker 3: something like, guys, this shouldn't be your identity.
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  Speaker 2: You can do more like life can be better.
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  Speaker 3: And the amount of the amount of it's it's, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, I'll call it dark energy.
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  Speaker 2: You'll understand I'm not you know, this resentment, this this
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  Speaker 2: this like it's it was. It was very sad that
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I've gotten the same response when I you know,
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  Speaker 1: when I've talked about in cells and men going on way.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years now to you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe longer since I did it, but every time I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about that, the vituo, the hatred that that has
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  Speaker 1: been expressed is just it is amazing. But it makes
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: sense because there's a fundamental insecurity right in why they
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: are in cells of men going own way, and when
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you when you poke that insecurity, they exploded. You know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: most people with those self esteem respawn very, very very
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: badly to criticism.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: But it's weird because they're the biggest critics of themselves.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Like I told the guests, you are not losers or
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: you don't have to be losers, and that's that's It's
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: as if you're telling them, it's as if you're saying
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: like the cross or garlic to like a vampire.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: They get so so angry. Anyway, I still have.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And I won't say I have sympathy, but it's it's
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: just sad because it completely.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It strips away agency from these people.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It's it's the worst, Like it's the thing that feminism
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: has the worst thing that feminists has turned to some
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: women internalizing victimhood, and then men who supposedly rise up
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: against feminisms internalize this victim whom to to a degree
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: that you you have.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: To go to the worst depths of feminine to find.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's tragic, and of course it's you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: as we'll talk about. It's it's all this misidentification of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: what what what life means, what serlling, what masculinity and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: what femininity means, and really an evaluation of a misevaluation
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of themselves, of of what what life makes possible. Right
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the short ugly, therefore they will never be successful in life.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Right And the funny thing, the first insult I ever
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: met in my life in a conference action in the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Battle of ideas, he was wearing a mad hat.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And I found this very very interesting, and which is.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Because my Trump is the ketipal alpha, alpha male. Who
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have any sympathy for that, for that guy anyway.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So what happens then, from twenty fifteen onwards is that
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you have a new generation of streamers, of.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Content creators. Let's put it. Now, we are in the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Maga era.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: We are in the Maga ethos, where anything goes, where
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you know, there is no truth, there's alternate facts. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: now there is a crusade not only against feminists but
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: also against basically liberalists, but Also this crusade against liberalism
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: becomes a crusade against the next big thing, which is
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: COVID orthodoxy, not in the way we did it, which
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: we were early on against the lockdowns. Back then they
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: were hiding, probably in some they were wetting the bed,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: But when it became safe to do so, suddenly they
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: came out and I was like, oh, this is a hoax.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And then a crusade against the vaccines, and then against
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the globalists, and then against the Jews. So today you
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: have the odd spectacle of someone like Myron Games.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: If you watch the Netflix documentary you know who he is.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Who started by offering dating and fitness advice. In these
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: days he has long discussions with Nick Fuentes, and the
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: question is, what does Nick Foenes have to teach you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: about dating a fitness But this space is not anymore
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: about becoming better at the Dutch.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: It's not anymore even about getting jacked.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: This is now a space of vomiting garbage, hot takes
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and brain and brained views, where the more friends and
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the crazy your idea, the more you have the short
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: lived competitive advantage in the attention economy.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm gonna sound like a boomer.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But the you know, we could say back then the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: man was deterministic, it had elements of you know, superficiality,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: elements of missoles and okay, but the downhill trajector in
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: ten years is it's absolutely absolutely crazy.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's a good mirror.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It's a good it gives you a good prison to
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the wider cultural cultural decline.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So so what is it you think about the flawed
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: premises that they began with that made this decline a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: reality and and and and not just possible, but but ultimately,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you know, in some ways inevitable.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: So the first and obvious answer, particularly from someone who
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: wrote a book on a tribalism, is that it's the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: group thing, and it's the tribal view of the world.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It's this giving up of the effort to try to
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: understand the world, to try to see for yourself by
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: using your mind, what is happening out there. So you
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: just follow some easy hopes, soft down your throat in
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: this ecod chamber. And this has a very big advantage.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It resolves your responsibility. Now you don't have to do
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: anything difficult, you don't have to achieve anything. You have
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: internalized this garbage that you're an avator of your identity,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: and you have internalized this garbage that you are not
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: you the individual you are, you know, a white boy
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: in the twenty first century, twenty first century world. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: you could say, okay, this is how the followers think.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: But what about the leaders? How do they form their
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: opinions and how do they all end up with the
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: same predictable tropes from anti vax to anti semities. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I want to say one more thing here about these
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: predictable tropes. Maybe it's a tasteless example, but I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it's a good example. If you see what type of
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories the belief.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: It's a bit like.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: And we know this with facts, that the generacy that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: people go after when they if you see what people
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: starts important these days, they go to more and more
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: degenerate staff.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Why because when.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: You're hooked to the generasy you have, now the previous
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: de generessy is not enough. And the same thing happened
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: with the drug addicts, Like now marij alcohol is not enough,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: you go to heroin. The same thing happens with conspiracy theories.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Now it's not enough that it's a gate that's not
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: a good hit. Now the vaccine thing is not good enough.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Now you have to go to the Jewish question. Now
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you have to go to the Holocaust. Now you have
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to go to the Hitler was a great leader for Germany,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: because your mind is so destroyed that you need this extra,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: this extra heat of And here here we get to
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the question how do they form these views? They form
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: their views via contrarianism. Our views and our viewers need
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: to get this because they will understand not just the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Manu's here, they will understand way more.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Contyanism is. Let's put it, the final boss of tribalism.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: So the tribalist asks himself, how does my tribe think?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And then adopt the same position. The contrarian takes it
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: a step further. He does not ask what does my
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: tribe think? He asks what does the opposite tribe believe?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And then he adopts the opposite view, For example, globalists
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: like you create. Therefore, I'll be with putting the liberal
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: elits told me that the Holocust was a bad thing.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I will say that the Holocaust either did not happen
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: or the Jews had it coming. Ye, my teachers told
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: me that Hitler was a bad guy in World War Two.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I would believe Hitler is a good guy.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: So this is a moral the generacy, which actually I
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: don't know what's beyond Like in Hitler, I don't know
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: what's the next step.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Of the generacy. But yeah, I see I see it
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: as as this exactly.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It's contradan is that needs a straw, a more potent drug,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and it will go for whatever drag will give it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: This this, I don't know how to put this a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: dopamin fixed.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It's interesting that it always ends up with the anti Semitism. Wait,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I mean that it always leads towards that, right, if
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you go back to the thirties, if you go back
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: even in the nineteenth century, it seems like this chain
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of thinking, what's not really thinking, this chain of emoting
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: ultimately gets them to the ultimate conspiracy, which is the Jews.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: That it seems to be kind of at the heart
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of all conspiracies and west than in the Western world.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: It's uh. I think it's so deeply ingrained culturally in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you know, going back to going back to the story
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of Jesus, that you know, it's the original conspiracy theory
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it's it's the original. It's it's where it all starts,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and they and they always gravitate towards it. So so
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: let's let's step back a minute and and ask the question, So,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you know, what is it about the world out there?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: What is it about both feminism and about modern women
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: more generally that is really that might provide some legitimacy
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to the angst some of these people are feeling and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: therefore looking for answers. What what has changed that that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: requires men to rethink where they are in their position.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Well, if you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Work in any big institution like a university, the Soviet
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: type of propaganda when it comes to feminism is so
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: tasteless that at some point you you say, Okay, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: want something to put an end in this. I mean,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I've I've admitted it both in twenty to sixteen, in
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, in twenty twenty four for me twice, for
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: me three times. I thought the Trump in all these
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: times was the lesser of two evils, particularly while I
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: was in academia, because it was so bizarre, disgusting and
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: actually suffocating an intellectual environment where I went to you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the visual option. Whoever is against this please, someone put
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: a stop on this. Put please, someone put a stop
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: on it. Having to you, if you teach in social
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: sciences and half of the curriculums, then the tribe up
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you you you, you want to.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Have something to revolve against this.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Now, Also, it is not a lie that yeah there
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: is there is no let's say, celebration of masculinity in
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: the culture. Like it's very rare that these days you
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: find TV series or films where there's a healthy male
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: character who is let's say a good example to give
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: a positive example of this. Many people these days they
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: remember the film Master and Commander, which is a white
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: guy who is a good male role male role model.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Now I don't think this is that rare. For example,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: you could say Interstellar had a good male role model
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: James Bond, but it is not. Mostly you get all
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: this about the power and all that, and people found
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: all this indoctrination they founded, they founded.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Of bad texts.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But I think the biggest, the biggest damage that feminine
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: has done is that it passed this victim of mentality
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: also to men. So this is the biggest damage of feminism.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: It's not that you know, men don't have promotion opportunities
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: in the workplace. It is that we have bought into
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: this victim of mentality. We have bought into this I
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: have no agentsy the world is doing things to me,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: which is so unmasculine, right. It's like the idea of
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: masculinity is you impose your let's say, your will to.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: On age, because your will on the universe.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: It's like this line in the Fountain where how our
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: drug says to come and asking like why do you
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: want to give to be an architect? And he says
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: something like I love this earth. I can't stand it
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: how it is. I want to change it. I'm paraphrasing this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: This is what has been missing. And one of the
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: reasons it has been missing is feminists not the only reason.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: It is generally that we have lost this idea of agency.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: We have lost of these ideas.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: That I can't do things. I can create new worlds.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I can start the world as someone I think who
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: is hardly in the Manucy has put it like, this
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: is exactly what.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Has been has been missed. But how do you how
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: do you view it? What do you think are there?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I mean it even.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: It seems that what has been missed is the ultimate
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: source of values and and and you know which is
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: which is the human mind. So some men could get
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: away with being physically strongled with women gave them a
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: certain advantage in reality up until I don't know, one
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: hundred years ago. And and women needed to be protected,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they needed an income, And men could get away with
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: just being physical and and and once the job market
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and the world became much more focused on the human
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: mind and politically, women were free to uh to to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you know, go on their own and and uh and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and go into the work place. Suddenly the men who
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: who neglected the mind suddenly realized how what an inferior
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: position they're in. Not only they're now competing now women
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: don't need them indeed, because they don't need the physical
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: strength because physical strength is not as important in the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: modern world as it as it was in the in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the old world. And they refuse to you know, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and there's all more competition for jobs because you've got
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to you know, more people coming into entering the market.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And if our educational system has de emphasized the mind,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: uh and you still hold on to I think what
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: are older views of masculinity as being physical as it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: all about physical strength. Then you are lost, you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you you don't know where to go. You see women
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: doing better than you, you see other men doing better
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: than you. You're strong, but that doesn't seem to get
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you anywhere. That doesn't seem to This is part of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the manisphere. Right. They taught them how to get strong,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they taught them how to get out, to eat healthy.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: But what didn't they teach them. They didn't teach them
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: how to think, They didn't teach them how to reason.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: They didn't teach them the actual tools that lead to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: success in a world or in it. It was the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: mind rather than towards muscle. I mean that is modernity, modernity,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the positive modernity is the mind is what matters. Right,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we've h this is the whole thing. We've
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we've replaced muscle with machines and what what is? You know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: most most valued now is a mind and that and
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of man I've been left behind by that,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and I think they're super frustrated and they don't know
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: what to do with it, and they're intimidated by smart, successful,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: ambitious women because lets you remember, feminism, first generation feminism,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: let's call it or whatever, actually did liberate women to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: go out there into the workplace and be successful and
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: achieve stuff for themselves. And men don't know how to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: deal with that. They haven't learned how to deal with that,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and the manisphere didn't teach them there. It's the one
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that literally women as helpless, you know, maidens looking for
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a strong guy to come swoop them off their feet.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: But if this is the case, then these men had
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: the wrong view of masculinity, because already from Homer's time,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: the ideal masculinemads is also that you're a man of
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the mind. What is the nickname of all the seals
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I have? The Greek thing polymichanos. This means someone who
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: is very.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Good at thinking, yep.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Or even if you go to a more let's say,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: universally additional positive male model.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: The novel saying I never pronounced that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Shane say h a n e. Yes.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: The first thing that the kid notices about saying is
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: his perceptiveness.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Same is no huge.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, he has these edge of violence in his aura,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: but his perceptive and it reminds me a lot of
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Randian hero So this idea that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Masculinity is just about your jactor. You can beat people up.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Usually Andrew Tate whenever someone disagrees with me is like, okay,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: time in the octagon, let's fight it out.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Even with even with male simple stuff, everyone would agree
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: this is a healthy example of masculinity, like saying always
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: they are men of the mind. I mean, Achilles is
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: a man of the mind. It's I can't think of
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: any traditional even Hercules uses tricks.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: But you have to read that into it, right. The
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: thing that makes them havoic is their courage and their strength.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, you can see the mind and the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Greeks right writing this, so you know, classical Greeks is
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: all about the mind. But that's and this is why,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: for example, what does the modern new right elevate right,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: at least the the at a certain extreme of it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: It's the Bronze Age, right, Bronze Age privet right. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: what's the Bonze Age. It's pre Greece, it's pre the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: discovery of the mind. It's pre philosophy, it's pre ideas,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's pre thinking. It's Cone and the Barbarian Cone and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the Barbarian Right. And I don't know, I can't remember
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the movie well enough to know does he use his
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: mind or not. But that's not what we think about
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: when we think about Schwarzeneger writing on a horse with
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: those massive muscles and wielding a sword. We think about
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: physical strength. That is the that is the essential. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: there's a certain and you know, it's Marxism, right, it's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it's the idea of materialism. It's it's it's and you
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: don't say, it's a certain idea about work and what
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: work constitutes, which the mind does not play a big
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: role in it. And in a factory, a lot of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the jobs physical jobs, but there are very few factory
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: jobs today. There are very few physical jobs today. There's
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: very few realms in the world today where you can
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: get away with physicality. I mean, I think a big
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: reason why, you know, violent sports, which I'm not a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: fan of, I think, you know, so popular, the cage
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: matches and all of that, is because you know, people
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: are hearkening back to a past where physicality that you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that really that really mattered, and that and and you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: got your self esteem from that, you got yourself comment
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and they don't know, they still haven't adapted to a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: world and which what matters is the mind, and because
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: what matters is the mind. Women have minds. They don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: have muscle, but they have minds. And uh and and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and that's hard for men, I think to grasp in
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the modern era, could.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Be, could be, could be. But again, this would be
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: a curric cauture of men. Sure, I don't think that someone.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: With a healthy view of again masculinity as as like
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: the world out there is my owster.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: It would be very weird. Actually, there's something.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say feminine, but stereotypically non masculine
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: into this energy of gaussip, of resentment in the within
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: the manosphere. That half of the content of manosphere is
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: they invite only fuans model and they make fun of
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: them or whatever. There's something very again I don't want
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to like, stereotypically non masculine. I'll put it this way.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: With this type of attitude and with this type.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Of I think that comes from victimhood. It comes from
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: this idea of victimhood, and it comes to the idea
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: of of the negation. Once you negate the mind, what
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: are you left with? You're left with emotions and frustrations
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and feeling of victimhood and and yeah, the kind of gossip,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the whining that all of this. That's that's when you
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you know, if you have a mind, you don't let
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: yourself you don't go there. It has no appeal and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it has no interest because you're too busy figuring out
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the next thing. You're too busy driving towards the next
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a combination, of course, of not having
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a mind, which leads to not having self esteem. So
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it's this combination of a rejection of the mind and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: not having self esteem which leads this movement to be
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: such a whiny and defensive and easily offended, you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: movement or and you know, you see that with Mega
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: as well. You see how how easily offended MEGA is.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And you've got Trump you antient syndrome. I mean, it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: there's no argument, there's no debate, there's no anything. It's
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: pure emotion and defensiveness.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: And let's see two more developments that add to all
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: these decadents. The one is that the Manos has discovered
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: the Christian nationalism and traditionalism. I mean, they're not the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: same thing, but people hopefully get what I mean. So
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: now you have a lot of people saying, for example,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: it was a mistake to give women rights such as
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: the right to vote. Recently, a Manosphere figure called the
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Hayden mc dougall. He was to Jake Silds, who was
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: a former fighter, and the discussion was basically, after we
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: figure out the Jewish question, now everyone.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Talks about the Jewish questions. So we've achieved that, but
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: now we need to sort out the women's question. And
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you could see, okay, who cares? Like these are fringe figures.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: The one has more than a million followers on Instagram.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: McDougall and Jake sils I said this mom has almost
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: a million followers on on on on Twitter, and Snicko
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: has also more than a million subscribers.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Now speak about Snico.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Everyone talks about the Manosphere to far right pipeline.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: But what about the Manosphere to Islam pipeline.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: So three of the figures who are big these days
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: in the manusphere Andrew Tad, Sniko they convert to Islam.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Myron Games he didn't have to convert, he was already Muslim.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: And statistically this is a big this is this is weird, right,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and there's something there and what is there? It is
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: that it is to be expected that people who hat
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: liberalism and capitalism will find appeal in Islam.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: So the late Jonathan Bowden, who was the most prominent
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: intellectual figure of the far right in the UK. He
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: famously said that Islam is a very right wing worldview.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: So he saw the potential that people who are disgusted
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: with feminism, with liberalism, they will find appeal to Islam.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: And no one saw this clearer than misseell well Back,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the French author Have you read your own his novel Submission?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I did absolutely so?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Submission for people who don't know it. It was written
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen. It was about the not distant future.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: So we are in France and in the second round
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: of the elections it is the National Front nationalist versus
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: something like the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Party which is
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: supported by the left, and the Muslims win, and we
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: are somewhere like two fifths in the book. And now
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: we expect that there's going to be some crazy civil war.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Instead what happens is many of the far right people
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and the socially concerned they.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Said one minutes this is not that bad.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I hate walk, the Muslims hate war. I want I
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: don't want women to have rights. Muslims don't want women
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to have rights. I can find a woman, Muslims, tell
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: me you can have five of them. Were going to
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: give them to you?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So who will beg yes, yep, no, go ahead, yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: So who will beg for sid that these two movements,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: so supposal that people who are going to save the West,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: that you know, the critial concern of this all and stuff,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: they are not as many miles away as they would
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: think from the Muslims.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: And no one gets this from the book.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: People read Submission and think, oh, it's a it's foretelling
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the conflict of civilization. I mean, if only it foretells
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: the harmony of civilization.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It shows how weak the West is and how and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: how as soon as Islam shows its strength, they all capitulate.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: And they were part of the attraction is, you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: men's distrust and suspicion of women, and yet they need
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: for women. And this I mean here we're talking about
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the hero. The hero in quotation marks of the novel
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: is an intellectual. He's a professor at the university, and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: he has these relationships with women and and and so on.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: But at some point he's like four wives, okay, that
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of appeals to him. And it's it's it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: a it's a lady.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Money he gets, he gets pension from the age of
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: forty or something, yep.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: And and Gatari money or some of the money.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, so they easily they give him money. They you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: he gets wives. Life becomes easy. Life, conflicts disappear, although
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: four wives, you know, you know, I challenge you not
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to have conflicts, but you know they he his whole
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: life becomes smooth and easier. In the novel, he realizes
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: that his mind is being dull. There's a sudden sense
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: in which there's more and more and more evasion going on,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and his mind is narrow and how and how and
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: that is is really powerful that the author gets that.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: But there is this you know it again, it's what
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is the attraction of Islam? Islam is submission? What is
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the attraction of submission? The attraction is it's it's it's
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: but it's power. But it's more than that. It's my numbinginess.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: It's the fact that you can now become an animal.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: This goes back to kind of the matosphere, right. They
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: think of human beings as animals as deterministic animals. And uh,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you know what what submission does because eradicates your frontal lobe.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: In a sense, it eradicates your your reason. What is
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a human being without reason? It's just an animal. He's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a terministic animal. You know, you're going back to I
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: like the garden a viden metaphor, right, the god Viden
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: is the metaphor of pre reason human beings. Right, you
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: have no mind and there's a certain there's a certain
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: ease to that, and you get that in the novel.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Everything becomes easier for him, but it become easier for
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: him because he's you know, destroyed.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: He also loses his will to even desire. Yes, he
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: has one woman he's in love with. He's a Jew woman.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: He goes over to Israel before the Muslim brad who
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: takes power. He can literally take an airplane. He thinks
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: about he's the only woman who wakes up something sexual.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: He doesn't care about the four wives. He actually there's only.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: One and he doesn't even bother together on an applem
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: to go because everything has died inside him.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Yep, and that is you know, that is what happens
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: when you adapt these horrific ideas, and it's it is
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Islam is just a great manifestation of that in the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: modern world, and it's scary as as you know. I
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: think the appeal is primarily men, but think about all
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the women during the Isis peak isis right twenty fourteen,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Think about how many women left France and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: England and volunteer to go to Syria to become the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: wives of these guys. There's there's again, submission, the negation
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: of your own mind, the submission of your own will,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: is attractive to certain type of human being. I hesitate
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: to call them human, but but to certain type of people.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: They they want the numbness, they want the emptiness in
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: a sense in the mind.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: They that angle, that's a very interesting angle.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, think about how many people volunteered to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: join Isis when Isis was deemed to be successful, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's again, what were they looking for? They thought
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Isis were warriors, masculine warriors, and not only did men
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: get attracted to that, but a lot of women did.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And so it's it's a it's a it's a statement
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: about our culture that there are people out there who
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: still seek that. I mean Lenning Peakoff once said something
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: that's always intrigued me a long time ago. It's like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: the will you know, the culture is not ready for objectivism.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: We haven't evolved to the point where where the culture
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: can accept objectivism and ares the what is that mean?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Cultural evolution? What does that mean? And there's still these
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: remnants of ancient ideas that still appeal to a big
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: chunk of the population. They're still attracted to bobbism and
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and that's scary because it means it can come back.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: And people also talked about about skisophremia, how about the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: skidsophrenic altitude in the monocere and particularly in the mix
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: with Pua. We're going to teach you how to sleep
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: with only funs type of women, but it despies them
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: because they're the speakable morally. And then somehow you're gonna
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: find the tlad corn wife with the summary dress, who's
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: going to give you all these kids?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: So what are you telling me?
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: You want me to be attracted to only fan host
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: But Mary, like, how how.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Is this going to happen?
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: How am I going to get attracted to something that
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: you are telling me?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Is this pick up.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: So it is this how we call it. It's not
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: even mind body Diacotta. It's even more. It's like soul,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: mind body, everything, Dichotta. It's like trichoto me.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And why would a woman, this trad wife be attracted
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to you for sleeping with all these you know, meaningless women.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: What is gonna what is going to be attracted about that?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: But but that's also interesting, you know, the the whole
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: idea of trad wives is so I mean, it's so
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: suggestive of what these people really really want. You know.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: They want somebody to submit to them. They want somebody
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: who's not they equal, They want somebody they can look
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: down on. Uh, it's not just an issue of division
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: of labor. It's it's much more. It's much deeper than that.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Think of Think of what a difficult time Peter Keating
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: has with Dominique. Sees this mirror that puts in front
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: of him all the time that he's nothing, he's a nobody. Yep,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: he would be so much better with Kate, who wouldn't
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: expect nothing, who'd expect nothing. He could pretend, he could
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: keep pretending that he's something, because there is no mirror
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: there to see.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: That you're nothing. But Dominique is a mirror, and he
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: sees that he's nothing.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, And and these people don't want him ever they
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: want and nothing, they want nothing. So they're looking for
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: a woman who will be quite happy and satisfied being
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: their servant, a woman who will just you know, cook
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and clean and have their kids and have no ambition
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: beyond you know, pleasing them in some way. I mean,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: how pathetic do you have to be as a man?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, aw pathetic do you have to be as
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: a man to want that kind of a woman, as
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: as as your soulmate, as the person you're going to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: spend the rest of your life with and and be
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: committed to. How unambitious and empty you have to be
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to seek out something like that. We're being called we're
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: being called communists for having this view of men on.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: The chair, Communists of all things.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, because we believe in equality men and women somehow,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: No, we believe in the inequality of the person who
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: expects that she's gonna find a woman who's gonna give
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: him the egalitarian free past that. Yeah, I'm gonna you know,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna admire even if you haven't done anything admirable,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: and you you should expect my admiration no matter what,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: even if I'm not admirra So it's it's no, that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: actually actually trant and him.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: It's it's a yeah, I mean it's people like this.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: He was also praising Islam a few minutes ago, so
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: it's not too surprising. I mean, it's it's a pathetic
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: mentality of men who want the unearned, and who who
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: who want who lack any kind of self esteem, and
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: who you know, just want to be You don't want
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: to be serviced, they don't want a relationship, they don't
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: want Actually, again, it goes back to the mind. Right.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: If you don't value the mind, then there's not much there.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: There's there's not much left in life.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: And I learned, I learned more from this. This gave
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: me a lot of food for thought. I need to
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: process further that stuff.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, good good. Somebody shows Butters wants us to do
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a movie review together. What a movie called Starman from
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. I've starbu Starman. I think I saw
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the movie, but I can't I can't remember. Anyway, He's
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: giving us a thousand dollars to do it because I
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: figure we'll do it. We are reviewing Starman absolutely so,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: so look it up, look it up.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: But also joking aside. First of all, a huge thank
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: you to people who donate, and a huge thank you
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: to Ryan. People might have noticed today I'm standing through this,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: So someone sending the message for me to buy a
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: standing desk so I can move around.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I don't need to better for you're back. It's good,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: it's good for everything.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: It's good for And also we can have if occasion
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: calls for it, that can be three hours, four hours.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: If Rogan can do it, we can do it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: If people find value and participate for three hours.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: They have to they have to ask a lot of questions,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions. What what what more do we
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: want to say about? I mean, how do you how
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: do you see when and how do you see the
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: involvement of characters like Andrew Tait in this movement? When
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: did they enter? And and again what is the what
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: is the app because there's no self improvement here, and
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: he's so obviously a predator on women. Who is who
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: is he appealing to? And and you know, what does
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it mean in what what's step in this direction? Does
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: this does this occur?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, So Andrew Tate enters the scene in the post
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: twenty fifteen era. So this is the time where the
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: monosphere is not anymore just about eight a vice or
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: self improvement or even the red pill. Now it participates
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: in this attention economy and it participates in the culture works.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: So Tit has some things going on as him. First
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: of all, no matter you know, whatever we say about
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: his character, he has chartisma and being funny and all
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: that stuff. So in the attention economy, he's geared to
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: he's geared to do to do well. But even with Tait,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: there is a there is a trajectory where you start
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: from being a funny guy who says edgy things, then
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: you push a boundary with me Sotaly, and then you
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: go to deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: deeper and deeper past. So the question is what do
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: people find there. I'll try to steal money. And you
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: saw Tate sooner than I did. I remember me and
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: you around two thousand and twenty would disagree the command.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: It's not that bad. It's just, you know, a fun
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: provocative guy.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: You hadn't seen things back then that I hadn't, I
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: hadn't seen, but probably people. It's so rare these days
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: to find someone who says, you know what, I'm proud
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: for my achievements and proud for my wealth. I'm proud
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: for me being a physically fit. I'm proud for being
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: ambitious to make money, to conquer the world. And there
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: is the way that you can see Tate and innocently
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: see this ambition, this pride that life can be better
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: or by what, by what it is. So this is
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I think the appeal that these were boys who got
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: raised with the model that says, know your place, you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: sit down there, quiet, go. Life shouldn't be anything, don't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: rock the boat. And they see someone who does rock
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: the boat, who is ambitious in every aspect of life,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: and they say, here is a rebel, Here is a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: countercultural figure.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: So they would view Tait in the same way as
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: in the sixthes, they.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Would view Allen Ginsberg and the other protagonists of the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: new left hoood sock. The consciousness of the of the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: power elits, and the power these days was feminism and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: these things. So they thought, here is a well and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: again being funny and being all that stuff.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Knowing how to use social media.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: This this helping, This is how he found himselflf in
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: discussion in the content economy, with the manosphere figures and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: becoming himself one.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And when it becomes clear that he is abusing women
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and tweats them like you know, flesh and and nothing
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: more than that, does that hurt him in a manusphere?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Does that actually raise his profile? But you know the well,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the thing.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: The thing with take is this was never quote revealed
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  Speaker 3: because he was very open with all with all this,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: So the quest again the question, the level is so
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: low at this point that anything goes if Tate goes,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: if Holocaust, So let's be different, if Holocaust denial goes,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: why wouldn't Tate fly in this in this space? If
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: now we are seriously having podcasts watched by millions of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: people where we're discussing the Jewish question, yep, tait is
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's to be expected that, Yeah, he's gonna
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: be a towering figure in this in this miliare, he's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: actually way more articulate than you look. Although himself, of course,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: he's also asked he was actually the first was pushing
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  Speaker 3: the boundaries, mentioning the Jews and all that stuff on
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Twitter when no one did it, So he needs the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: extra moral culpability of he being let's say, the the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: advanced troops that attack that territory and then the rest
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: city is safe. Now we can't talk about the Jews.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: And then they also they the infantry. Let's say it follows,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: but Tait was the advanced troops.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like it seems to me like before
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: we go to the Jews, the first step was diminishing women.
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  Speaker 1: That a step one was to make women into this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mindless and and you know easily to exploit
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  Speaker 1: an okay, to exploit thing, right, Uh as Tate does,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: you know, lie to them, whatever it takes to have
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: sex with them, it doesn't matter. And uh and and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and that's the nature of them. And that's you know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you're you're you're not you're not doing them harm because
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: this is what they were built for kind of attitude
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to dehumanize women and people who attracted to that. And
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: then you know, de immunizing Jews on top of that,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: you know, is not that big of a deal. Right, Women,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: in some sense a closer to most of these people
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: who probably never met aed you uh than Jews a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: uh So it's it's uh, it's a process of dehumanizing.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: And again to me, it's a process of taking the
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  Speaker 1: mind out, you know, and and the negation of the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: human mind that is at the heart of it. And
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of course that's a hard of tribalism, right, if you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: go back to your book, what's at the harder tribalism,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: it's the individual human mind is irrelevant. It's you can't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: discover truth by yourself. You can't. You can't know anything
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: as an individual.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Is the biggest Yeah, the biggest problem with traveling is
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: it makes you stupid. It literally makes you stupid because
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: it takes away the one thing. And let me take
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: it fair. I think it makes people like Tape who
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: start with some ambitious, some spark. I think he's way
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: more stupid today than ten years ago. How can you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: spend your life even if you don't believe this thing?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I think this about Alex Jones, like I wonder
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: does Alex Jones believe these things? Because he seems to me,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: or Attacker Castle does he believe? But the thing is,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: it's a bit like Batman and Bruce Weyne. When you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: wear the custom of Batman for so long, at some
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: point you become that. So at some point it doesn't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: matter whether Alex Jones believe these things. He lives in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: that world, so he does become this low intelligence person,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: even if some years ago you could say he's a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: clever guy who's just grifting. So at this point, it
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter if they're grifting or if they believe these things.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: They have destroyed first and foremost also their own their
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: own mind there and their own brain cell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a crucial point, you know, immorality. You know,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: we talk about lying being bad for you. Yeah, this
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: kind of behavior is bad for you. It's unselfish. These
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: people have viewed as selfish, but it's self destructive. It
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: actually destroys their own ability to think that you tell
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: enough lies. It's not that you stop believing those lies,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's the truth becomes impossible for you to discover.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: You you create such pollution inside your own mind that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: you can you can't sort it out, you can't clean
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: it up. Uh and and and that's what these people become.
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  Speaker 3: And one last moment for anyone with some brain cells
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  Speaker 3: in the chat, who is all to us? But at
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: least has years to listen. The worst thing by destroying
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: your mind, I mean the worst. The worst thing in
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: this context is also you cannot be one of the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: men that you friends in the audience are admiring, because
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: if you want to change the world, if you were
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: to impose your will on the world, first you need
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: to understand the world. You need your connections to find
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: cause and effect, to figure out the course of action,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: and you do this with your mind. Without mind your mind,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: you cannot be such a figure. One of the first
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: viral videos of Tate, he said, two plus two is
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: not for because if I punch you, and if I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: threatened to punch you, two plus two equals five.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: So notice how Tait.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: This is the same conclusion with the woke, with the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: walkest of the work, who say two.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Plus two equals equals facts.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: If you give up your mind, you cannot be an
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Achilles a Hercules.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Now it does.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Or if we go to the more recent heroes of
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: the of enlightenment, who is way more obvious how they
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: use their mind. So you cannot be a great man
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: if you give up your mind.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, and and know how visceral that is. With Tate,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: that is if I punch you, physical force negates reason, right,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and that's exactly the point and he and he's right,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: he wants to negate reason. He's all about the negation
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: of the human mind. So just to end kind of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: our segment on a positive note, and then we'll go
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: to the questions, how would you describe a you know,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: a rational masculinity, A proper view of masculinity.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I know, I have a view of how to make
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: my life and in extension, the world different and better.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: I know why I want this, and decisively I take
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: action to do this. I don't know, I haven't got
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: a very good definition, but now on the spot, this
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: is the this is the best tag and do Maybe
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: it's also like that line you can't really describe civilization,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: but I know it when I see it. This is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: this is my reaction when I read something like saying,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: or when you see the Adian figures, you notice that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: there's something there. There is some aura there, there is
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: your sense that you're in the presence of a great
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: creator overcome a hero builder.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: There's something Yep, Yeah, what's your definition?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's something like that, and I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: think to some extent the way it manifests has shifted.
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  Speaker 2: That is.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Odysseus or Achilles. Yes they are. They are still clever men,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the men who think, but much of how they manifest
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: their changing the world is physical. Ultimately, they fight battles,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: and and they do duels, and they they they go
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: to war, right and and and they go to war
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: over women often right. Whereas so there's a certain aspect
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: of you can understand why masculinity in the past was
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: very much associated with some kind of physical strength and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a and a and a and a physical projection in
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: physical projection of your physicality into the world. And again,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: we live in a different era. We live in an
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: era where to change the world require does not acquire
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: taking up arms, and it still does periodically. You still
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: have to go fight sometimes, but that is not the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: primary way in which you manifest yourself into the world.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: You know. So to me, when I think, I mean,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I've said this on the show many times that my
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: image of masculinity is a Steve Jobs. Right, It's here's
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: a man of the mind standing on stage commanding an audience.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: You know, he has a new product that's going to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: change the world. And he's not a strong guy. He
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't have big muscles. He's but he is so much
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: in command of his world and of the people in
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: front of him and what's going on. He's command of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: the largest company in the world. He's changing the world,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: and every decision that he makes I mean to me.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: He he stands up, so he's a to me. Masculinity
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: in the modern era is much more feature of self
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: esteem and mind than it is of physicality. So it's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: still about going out and changing the world and acting
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: in the world, but that action is much more a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: product of direct product of the mind rather than a
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: product of wielding a sword.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Your figure made me realize that I also have something
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: that comes to mind.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: It's on the other spectrum of them. It's the mind.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: But also, do you remember that scene when the Ideaf
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: rescues Noah, But not when they We didn't see the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: scene with Noah.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: We saw the scene with these two Israeli boys.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: That were rescued, and the sword there gives him a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: small leg fistbamp and he tells him it's gonna be okay.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: That's the most moving thing I've seen in my life.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: And the boy immediately relaxes because he believes him Yep.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: That's masculinity. When you tell someone it's gonna be okay
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: and they believe you, like this is this for me?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: It's I cannot explain it, but it capture is perfectly.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: All Right, this has been a good discussion. Let's let's
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: see what our super chatter is. Well, you know, we've
• 1:12:08
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• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a show. I think this will be
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• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: give us the next five hundred next show when you know,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: and we'll do the movie verse. So we have to
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: we have to go watch the movie now. So thank you, guys,
• 1:12:35
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• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: some of the stickers before we get to the questions. Bonnie,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: thank you for the sticker. And let's see David David, David,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: M a R. I don't know, I just is not
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• 1:13:12
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• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: He had a discussion with a Razzie on that. On
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: the topic of the Netflix documentary, I was watching it
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• 1:14:04
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  Speaker 1: the highest amount, and that is Shaw's bart so Cha
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  Speaker 1: says payment one of two. Can you run and Nikos
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• 1:14:23
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  Speaker 2: Nichos is a very comparative. He's already agreed with.
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  Speaker 1: Molten Splendors is Happy Birday around one hundred dollars. Thank you,
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• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Let's see, um, Mico, is it
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: possible we see the first less fake country in the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: world in Asia? But if it won't have political freedom,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: because like a Singapore that goes all the way in
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: an economic freedom direction but maintains some form of monarchy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've seen it already, but I don't think this
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: is very sustainable. But you know these things better, you've
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: literally been there.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I it's possible that we'll see
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: the first Laszer fake country in the world in Asia.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: It could be anyway. I don't know. It's going to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: be a long time from now. I don't expect it
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: to happen anytime soon. So it's hard to project into
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the distant future, and it's hard to tell where ideas
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: will have the most impact. But it's certainly possible that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: it happens in Asia. There's certainly an entrepreneurship and even
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a sense of life that some Asians have that is
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: very much compatible. Look at Hong Kong. Hong Kong was
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: close to that, certainly as less affair as any country
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: was in the twentieth century. I wasn't perfect, but it
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: was close. Will it be will it have no political freedom?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's sustainable. You know, if people who
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: are free want to be free period. They want to
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: be free all the way through. There's not a realm
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: in their life where they say, Okay, I'll be a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: slave there, but I'll be free everywhere else. I don't
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: think that's acceptable to people. So while it might start
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: off that way, it might be a while originally that way,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it'll last. I think ultimately whatever
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: country becomes a fair will go become less a fair
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: all the way and include political freedom. Think about it
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: this way. The foundational idea of laza fair capitalism is
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: individual rights. You don't get it without individuals. It's certainly
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: not sustainable without individuals. Well, individual rights necessitate a particular
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: form of government, and that form government cannot be a monarchy.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: That is a contradiction. Thank you, Michael. Another Michael another
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: fifty dollars. Michael says, also political I guess mm. Danny
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: is proposing a rezoning and deregulation in some of the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: housing market will also increase access to housing vouchers. Is
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: there orientation to deregulate the economy while increasing warfare programs?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Trump seems to be doing this too.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Reality, at some point, you know you are if you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: are a clever pragmatist, you might doing these things. But
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: while you're doing these things, you are amping the anti
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: capitalist rhetoric.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: So you're using the.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Market tools to survive as a mayor and not to
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: go down to history as the worst major in history.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: But I don't think people will get the right lessons
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: because people don't learn from economics only.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: No. I mean you have to remember that there's a
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: recognition on the left, among certain people on the left,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: including among the new socialists whatever they call it. They
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: call themselves now market socialists. I debated this guy in
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Colorado recently who's a market socialist, and and they want
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: the means of production owned by the workers, but then
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: they want market competition between the different ownership groups. It's
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: it's a bizarre way. And of course, if you start
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: your own company and you pay salaries, you go to jail,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: but as long as it's collectively owned, you're free. And
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: of course this is a massive contradiction and it's complete
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: disaster and it can't work. And they believe that you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: can run companies like democracies and so on. Anyway, they's
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: it's a certain respect they have, maybe respect too strong
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: a foroard, a certain understanding that they have. There's a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: big article in Jacobian recently that, look, central planning actually
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. We need the price mechanism. They've learned something
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: from economics, so so you know, we need some pieces
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: of the market to function somehow. And you know, so
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: for example, there's a big push on the left to
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: build more. This goes I think this is kind of
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: more hearkening back to the original Marxism, which was more
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: about building and progress and so on, and so a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: lot of them have rediscovered marks and they're thinking we
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: need growth. We're too we've been too much of the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: anti growth people. So this is the YMBS in my
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: backyard leftist kind of movement. And yeah, we kind of
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: need markets to do it, but we don't want the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: greedy capitalists to really enjoy too much of this, So
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: we need to incentivize them to build. This is this
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: idea of rezoning and increased market access. But then we'll
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: impose rent control on them and we'll subsidize the rent
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: for the poor people, and that way we'll cap their profit,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: the entrepreneurs profits. And they don't I get that. If
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: you have in control, you don't you don't have the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: incentive to build. Yeah, I mean they don't. They don't.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: They can't think it completely through. So they want to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: have their cake and eat it too. They want the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: market somehow to function to give them the golden eggs, right,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: they want the goosta lay the golden eggs, but doesn't
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: want to take the eggs, and they think the goose
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: will never learn. So it's it's this weird dance that
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: they're dancing where they're socializing pieces and they're freeing up
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: other pieces and it's all going to be a disaster.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, they'll blame the
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: pots that they freed up, you know, they they'll they'll
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: blame the capitalists for it.
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  Speaker 3: And the very funny thing is all these people, who
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: of course don't know history, they think they're the first
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  Speaker 3: one who thought of this. Yep, as if This was
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: not the model. The whole model of socialist Yugoslavia. I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: was exactly this, that the production units would have some
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  Speaker 3: independence similar and you'll have some type of mind market.
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  Speaker 2: How did this work out?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: They tired it also, Hungary after ninety fifty six decad
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: after they had Hungry was of the more quote unquote
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: liberal socialist counters of the words of fact.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't work. And you know what's my favorite.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: It left his conspiracy theory that al ending Chile had
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: come up with a super computer that would have solved
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: the calculation problem. But then the CIA, in the Chicago
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: Boys and maybe Friedman himself with the Bazuka, took him
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: down because he would be the first who would have
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: solved the calculation problem.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they took him down.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. I didn't know that they and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: they had solved it. Well, that's pretty amazing, this before AI,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: because now the big thing among socialists right now is
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: the calculation problem is solved to AI and we can
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: have Marxist utopia, I mean Marxist n stage without the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: revolution in a sense, because all we need is to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: un leach AI. We all get UBI, we all get
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: you know a universal is a income. Then the robots
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: will produce everything. They'll create anything, and then you can
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: do whatever whatever you want. You'll get a check, and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: we'll get the same check because none of us will
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: produce different amounts because the robots will be producing, you
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: won't be producing. So why should the entrepreneur get a
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: return Because he'dn't produce anything. Robots produced it. So and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the robots don't need the money. This is the beauty
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: of it. The orbits don't need the money like the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: workers needed the money. The orbits don't need the money.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: So we'll all get the money. So we all going
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: to be rich and the equal and be able to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: do whatever the hell we want, and all material needs
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: will be taking care of by robots.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: Just the public announcement to libertarians who base their whole
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: criticism of socialism to the calculation problem. If by any
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: chance the left is were right on that you deserve
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: to have socialists, because if your only problem with social
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: relaiser problem, it's like they don't talk about anything else.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: High X and all this problem, the calculation problem, as
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: if this is the only problem with social and not
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: that the premise is that my life is now, I
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: live as.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: A slave basically, and I don't live for my own life.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: So if the left this manages to solve the calculative problem,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: you libertarians and classical liberals, you deserve the world that
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: we're gonna live in.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, all right, Okay, Michael, Michael, this is great.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: When I first read RAND, I was blown away. And
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I'm no entrepreneur. I don't understand how brilliant producers like
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Visas and Musk can read Rand and not be captured
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: by her insights. It requires And here's the thing about
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: somebody as successful as they are, they're very successful. They
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: didn't need Rent, so they can easily dismiss as saying,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I did all this without her, Why why
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: do I need this philosophy? I'm pretty happy. You know,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I've I've got all the wealth in the world. I've
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: have changed the world. I've I've made an impact. I've
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I've done all this. Yeah, there's certain political things, maybe
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: you know that don't make sense, but it's not clear
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: that invents. You know, if I communicated invenge ideas that
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: would that would make a difference. So there's a certain
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: sense in which if you're super successful, you look at
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Ivan and say, yeah, she inspired me, Yeah, she gives
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: me energy and all this, but I don't need philosophy.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm doing fine without it.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: It's a friend from the objective world said something like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: maybe the people who need iron round more is indeed
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: not the Jeff Bezos, but that the people who now
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: congregate thinking that they're going to find a solution in
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: the mamosphere and all that stuff, maybe they need the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: message even more that you said, someone who's like, yeah, okay,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: look we're not in Party of Atlas rug so yeah,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a good writer. Or when there's a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: regulation that remember to post a quote, but beyond that, it's.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Gonna be oh, yes, it took it too far.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: And also, people don't get ideas seriously.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: It's not that they dismiss round, but you know, they
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: go full on needs or full on foo core or something.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's a general issue with like, do ideas
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: really have consequences in life?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Man, Michael, Is there a difference between being miserable and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: being depressed? Depression seems like when someone stops functioning, whereas
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: thugs like Trump and Putin seem miserable but still functional.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: That would require and all.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Lets I remember the first I used to be a
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: voluntarist who thought that, oh, there's no such thing as
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: depression because human beings have free will. And I remember
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: the moment that I changed. I literally remember where I was.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: I was in the States something University of York, and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: I was listening Yeah road Brook debating Xina Gordon, and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: Zina said something like, no, guys.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: There is such a thing as.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Depression and you cannot control everything. I was like, ah,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: what does this mean for free will? I remember this
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: point when I was a new bide. So, yeah, I
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: don't have something to because this would require to know
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: exactly what depression is and how it works.
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  Speaker 2: So I leave this to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean my guess is that there's a difference
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: between depression and miserable, and depression is, you know, it's
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: harder to function, and you can be miserable and still functions.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: So I think that's right, and I think I don't know,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if these people are depressed as well.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, they could be parts of the day where
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: they're depressed and they're not functioning. It's really hard to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: tell what a mental state of particularly bad people really
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: is and how it manifests itself. You have to ask
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: we'd have to ask a psychologist, a right molten splendor
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: explain how these gender dominated, dominated attitudes can blind one
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: from seeing the attributes of an individual to only seeing
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: one's gender. So this is the idea of tribalism. A
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: man versus women seems an odd way to beginning assessment
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: of any individual relationship.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I have a real example, which it's gonna sound so
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: fake as it is not real, but I had a
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: discussion with an academic and she told me, yeah, you know,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: I can't refute it. It makes sense, but you are
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: a man wearing a suit saying this. So at that
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: point the discussion cannot go anywhere. It's as if we're
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: speaking different languets. So gender tribalist means you live in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: a power in a tower of babe.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: You cannot there is no way to reach that passion.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: It's the humanizing, by the way, it's the humanizing. It's
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: as if I'm not speaking to it, I cannot address
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: a mind, so there's nothing it's just it's it's the humanizing.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think the woke feminism is
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: very much that way. And and I think that these
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: this this kind of manisphere, right, uh, male thing is
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the same way they you know, you you you you
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: can't talk to a woman, you know, she needs to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: be in the kitchen to make you and dinner. There's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: something you talk about and uh and and there's no
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the minds are completely different. And and this
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: is sadly a lot of the time the right just
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: responds to the left. And I think this this primary
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: came out of kind of the feminist movement. Uh and
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: then the right. You know, some guys said, okay, it's
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: just like the racism stuff. The left comes up with
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: identity politics in the way it goes, yeah, okay, we
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: can do that. You know, we're better to take you
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: by the way. You know, we've got more practice than
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: you have. And they embrace it as well. But it's
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: all tribalism. It's a negation of the individual human mind.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: That is the essential thing that they.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Negate but just sort of to say like we shouldn't
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: so the biggest strandgy because I remember this very well.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: She was al was a very good person. See she
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: opened her house for me with her father. I was
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: eitting with her family quite often, and yet it's it's
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: what we said, tribalism first, and for most hurts.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: You the tribalist, not there.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: You're the biggest victim of of this brain.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Malfunction. Yep, voluntary brain malfunction.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Michael asks. He says, in Ohio, if you get a
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: d UI, you have to have a yellow license plate
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: so police and other drivers know you've been caught driving
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: under the influence in the past. Is that a Is
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: that this a whites violation? You have?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: No People ask me what's your least libertariy quote libertarian opinion.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's least libertarian. But in the war
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: in the road, I want the mat environment, we like
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: snipers and stuff. It's it's it's in the Balkans. It's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: so bad, it's literally dangerous now these days to even walk.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: So anything cameras speed limit sat me up for that.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: It should be private and when you drive a car
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: you have as much power as when you carry a gun,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: and you should when I cannot carry a gun and
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: start shooting like that unless I'm in a wedding in crete,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: but that's a different story.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: So it should it should. The same should apply with
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: the car the car is dangerous.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: So I'm a yeah, I mean authoritarian when it comes to.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly don't see it. There's a rights violation,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: right you committed. You violate somebody's rights by driving DUI
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: is a rights violation because you are placing other people's
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: lives at risk, objective risk, not arbitrary, but objective risk.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Now we could argue about how much the level of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: alcohol is in your blood or whatever. Were you driving
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: in a risk riskless man or whatever, But the point
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: is you were drunk and you shouldn't be driving if
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: you're drunk. So part of the penalty could be Yeah,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: a you know something on your license plate? Is that
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: worse than sending you to jail? No? So I mean
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: it's clearly not a rights violation. You were the ones
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: who broke, who violated other people's rights.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: And let me say to the people, they might have
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: heard the rumors that own Brook is an aggressive I
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: entered your car when we're doing tours in Europe with
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: under that premise. But I have to say it was
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: a positive surprise. It was it was much better than
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: I expected.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: That's good. Not everybody has come away from my driving
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: with that. I think I've mellowed. I have to admit.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: One of the areas in which age has had an
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: impact on me is I think my driving. I definitely
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: think I'm less and also living in Puerto Rico, and
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: so I'm the most aggressive when I'm in Tel Aviv.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a little less aggressive in Haifa. I'm a little
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: less aggressive in California, but still and more aggressive in
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: La than in Orange County. So I adapt to the traffic.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: When when we went in Italy and we were driving
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: in Italy, I just fit right in with the Italian drivers.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: And and now I'm in Puerto Rico and you can't
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: drive aggressively. That part holes in the road, and people
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: drive weirdly here in you know, I get the aggressiveness
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: of Israeli drivers. I don't get what they're doing here
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. I think it's just incompetence. They drive
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the road. They it's just weird.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm significantly mellower now than I used to be.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Instance of my driving, I mean I think that the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: person who really I once picked up Amy peakoff at
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: the airport. This is years and years and years ago,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago something I don't know it was, and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: it was in San Jose and drove it to a
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: house and she was literally white and it was like,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: you drive like a New York taxi driver said I do.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had no idea. So she
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: was traumatized and maybe still is. But I've mellowed. I've mellowed.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: But yes, we drove. We drove in northern Europe. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: I think I in spite of that, I think I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: still got speeding tickets from that trip. You know, they
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: say you in.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: The mail, except if they came into retrospect.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, retrospect after the fact, they send you in the mail. Oh,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: they send it to hoods because the cameras catch you.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: And the other thing people need to know about the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: iron and driving. You have this thing where you want
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: to beat the expectation of Google Maps. So if Google
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Map says you're going to arriving seventeen means you want
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: to arrive in sixteen.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: That's true. I didn't know you picked that up, but
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: that is absolutely right. I'm generally very competitive when it
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: comes to when it comes to map map software. I
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: try to beat the time, all right, Adam says, traditionally
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: globalist ment Jews, but now we see growth in anti globalist,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: explicitly tribal sentiments among religious Zionists that has been revealed
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Pograms and Arabs, et cetera. How do they how do
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: they whatever? The contradiction? The religious Jews? Why do they
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: have to? Why do contradictions bother them? Why? Why would
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: contradictions bother them? Bank View is a fanatic religion, not case.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: So he's a mystic through and through, so I don't
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: think he's bothered by contradictions, as as most religionists are
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: not bothered by contradictions. But I don't know if they
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: anti globalist. You know, I'm not sure where they anti
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: globalists among religious Zionists. I mean, bank View, you could
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: argue is just irrational, so this would be one more irrationality.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure who else you mean, but it would.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: Who looks for the history of these terms in the
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: communist countries, they didn't call it back then, The Stalinists
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: did not call it globalist.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: They call it politans and and and for a long
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: time it was cosmopolitans with the Jews. And but yes,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: now as well has a homeland. They need to be
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: cosmopolitan anymore. And there's certain tribalists and religionists who are
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: going to embrace these nationalistic tribal terms. All right, Nature
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: observer says, I grew up in a religious household when
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: my father considered himself the head. How different is the
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: manisphere from the religious rout of male dominance which is
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: justified by God? Now the wood is evolutionary psychology.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: It started with evolutionary psychology, but soon it fused together.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: Also with that said, so rollo to MASSI the rational male.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: For years he had the podcast with a pastor actually
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: I think, or something like a very religious guy. He
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: died some many years ago. So yes, there is a
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: natural affinity affinity there. And also, if you think about it,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: this is a growing market, a national for Christian because
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: there is it's it's a fertile ground. It's hey, guys,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: you you you want to fight feminism, Here is a
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: message that will help you do it. Here is the
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: proper order. We've been saying these things for centuries. Glad
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: you came on board.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, look at Matt Walsh, uh the Daily Wire,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: who I think exhibits a lot of this uh kind
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: of Mentality's not he's not as bad on the manosphere stuff,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: but he wants it. He has a trad wife and
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: he and he salibrates his trad wife, and he complains
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: about masculinity constantly. And uh so I think he's a
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: good he's a good model of that fusion with religion.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. Uh Richard said, happy,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: but Dyvon, thank you Richard, appreciate the support. Richard also says,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: what role does academia play in the anti intellectual mindset
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: like we see in the manosphere.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: The obvious answer is that boys who go through the academia,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: if they have some sense of independence and questions is tough.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Quickly they get disgusted.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: So then either their independence will take them to actually
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: question the root of the problem tribalism and all the stuff,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: or if it cannot take them that far, it will
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: take them to the opposite tribe, will see which is
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: the manager.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: But there's no question that all these stuff.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: The more the intellectual culprits are with the intellectuals that
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: made tribalists and irrationalism the only game in town. So
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: well done, to the to the left, you have created
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: this world. You deserve you deserve this world. The problem
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: is that we were also going to live.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I think the main,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: the main role of academia is destruction of the mind
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: and of course setting up some of these categories that
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: then the unthinking call them right. But I don't know
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: if it even me means that, you know, just to
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: rebel against. It's a I think the left to set
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: up modern racism. I think the left, through whatever third
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: way feminism, whatever you want to define it as, has
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: set up this this uh you know, uh, male hatred
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: of women. It's it's it's a it's a you know,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: they they set the intellectual terms because they are the
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: intellectuals there and and so they ultimately get to blame
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: for this. It's it's the you know, it's the postmodernists.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: It's a you know, we'll talk about postmodernism on one
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: of these shows, and uh, you know, the Frankfort School
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: and all of those guys. They they they undermine the
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: human mind. By undermining the individual human mind, they set
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: us off for tribalism, tribalism of all kinds, all sorts.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: By the way, in two weeks we should do the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: Six Day War. Obvious because it's the anniversary. It's open
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: what we will do next week. If people want to
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: give some suggestions, there's they can't do.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: So, so I might be I may be traveling in
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: two weeks, so I'll get back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: If not Six Day War this time this year, then
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: six Day one next year. That date will always be around,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: but I may be out that week, all right.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Not to put pressure on you.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: I've already started reading two books on thee They were so.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: So we maybe could do it the week before or something. Okay,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: we'll figure it. We'll see, Okay. Six Day War is
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: the first war I have a memory of, so.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: I know I remember the story.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: So Action Jackson says, Happy birdy Iran, thank you. Oops,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: how did I get there? I skipped some people, okay.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Oivin says happy birthday, thank you, Oyvin. Gail says happy birthday,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: thank you, Gail. Action Jackson says, this is for Yourn's
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: response to the bone smashing. I don't know what bone
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: smashing is. What is bone smashing?
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Is that a Maybe it has to do with Luke Smaxing.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I saw the latest about lukex Maxing. You've done stuff
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: about Luke Maxing.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: You know I have.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: Haven't you criticized the curricular this guy who is the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: luks Maxer.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it's this thing where you try to like to
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: to have this seizzled the.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: Like diggat sad face and some people literally the rumor
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: is I think it's a room band that they smashed
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: their bones or they they have an angular face.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I haven't I look into it. I
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: have not talked about that on my show, and.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Really you haven't checked out clavicular.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: I'm way behind the times, way okay the times. Yeah,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I believe people would smash their bones. I really do
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: insane right and them says Joe Rogan said he was
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: his Joe Rogan said he saw Ran fans as insults.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Is that because of the Going Gold types or did
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: he mean objectivists?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: I've never heard that.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I've heard him saying that objectives are boring, and that's
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: the only thing I've heard him say about iron Rant.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why he said. If
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: he said that about objectives being in souls, I have
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: no idea it. It sounds ignorant, but who knows why
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan says anything He says.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: And to be on look, we've been to all sorts
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: of conferences. I don't think even the nerdy objectives has
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: anything to do with the whole or the whole mindset
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: of the insult. Because the good thing with objectivist is,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: even if you're a rationalist, whatever it's, it's it vaccinates
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: you again, this lack of ambition. So it would be
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: very weird for an objectivist to be an insant. It
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: would be a huge tradiction.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've no objective.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: I've not thought exectivists who were actually the guy who
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: introduced me to the rational mail was back then, and
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: he was part.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Of the movement.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: Later he became more and more a white nationalist, but
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: the inter actually raised realist.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the same, but his intermediate step was a
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: mieked out.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I remember, I remember him, Yes, yeah, And you could
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: tell as he was drifting towards the man going on
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: way that he was also adapting some of this white
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: nationalist type attitude. Oh, let's say, Jonathan Honing, happy body,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: run and hello nikos hey, Jonathan Jonahan run. If yearly
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: interest payment rise to two point two to three point
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: two trillion, how are the US not go bankrupt the
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: hyper and flight. It takes eight to twelve percent on
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: the year for three it takes eight to ten percent
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: on the tenure for three years, and the entire world
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: governments are in similar situation. Well, I mean, we're pretty
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: far away from eight to twelve percent on the ten
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: uere it would have, you know, a little more than
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: half of that. I guess we're four point five, four
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: point six percent. It looks like Trump is going to
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: sign a deal with Iranians, so and it looks like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: it's happening today. So I expect interstates to come down.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: The world will pretend that this is a good thing.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: All prices will come down, and uh and so it
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the interstates will come down. But look at
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: it really depends on what is going on. If if
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: we've got high interestates, because you've got inflation, remember inflation
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: also inflates. Inflation also inflates tax revenue. Tax revenue goes
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: up as well. So it's from the government's perspective, it's
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: not clear how you go bankrupt inflation. You can inflate
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: slowly and there's only inflation if people insist on you know,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: you'll only get to eight to twelve percent if people
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: insist on buying bonds at those rates, and we haven't
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: seen that since the late nineteen seventies. We haven't seen
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: market insisting on that. So you know, I heard, I've
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: heard these arguments for twenty thirty years, and somehow the
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: world economy putters along, and so does the US. I'm
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: not saying that can continue forever. It obviously can't. But
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know when is the point of the hyperinflation
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: or when is the point of the bankruptcy. It happens sometime.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: I just have no idea when. And I'm always surprised
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: at how long these things take and how long it
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: can be dragged out. At some point, yeah, there's no question,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: but they can drag it for a long time. Roland
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: another very informative episode. I think I'm getting hooked to
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: this Happy birthday you on Thank you Roland Hiroland and says,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I love you guys together, thank you and.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, Cop says, is it trutored? Women are hyper gamers.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: So the thing with hyperagram is so rollo. Thomas is
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: very good at doing. By the way, Rolod Thomas is
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: a character from La Confidential.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: It's his nickname. I don't know what's the absolut name
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: of the guy. He's very good at finding things that
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: are obvious truths or truisms.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: And putting a fancy label in it. That doesn't make
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: sense that if you're a woman, you would prefer someone who.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: Is of higher qualities. And this quality depends on what
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: kind of woman you are.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: When if you are salient, it could be just you know,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: looks or money, or it could be the value of character.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: It makes sense that you want to go.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: From someone who in your standards of lower quality to
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: someone who in your standards of a higher quality. Now,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: maybe hypergamy means that the standards that women have or
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: what is a high quality is different from the standards
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: of what men have.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: But anyway, props to him.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: He has the talent in finding these terms and they're
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: very cutsy. Then he has also this little poem hypergram.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't care. It's not easy to introduce a term
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: in the language, so it's a it's an achievement.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: But again it's the whole thing is deterministic, right, So
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are women out there. They have a
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: certain psychology that attracts them to lesser men, just like
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: there are lots of men who attracted a lesser women,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: you know, because they have a problem of self esteem
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: or they have something else. So it really is an
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: issue of you know who you want, what you want,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: what kind of human being you are, and you know
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: the kind of person we fall in love with. It's
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: a complicated equation. You know, what does a higher status
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: may all mean? Does it mean they make more money?
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Does it mean they're strong, doesn't mean they're more beautiful?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Does it mean they're smart? Does it mean they have
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: great character? I mean? And on what dimension? And how
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: do we weigh when we fall in love with somebody?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: How do we make weigh these different things? Yeah, we
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: want somebody we can in some regard admya. But that's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: true men and women. It's not different. Now, maybe the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: equation for the man is different than the equation women have.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I doubt that, you know, there's a huge amount of
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: differences in it between this. I'm not sure you need
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: a separate concept for men and a separate concept for women.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: We want to fall in love with somebody we can
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: admire respect values with da da da da da. You know,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: make a list. It's it's not any and status is
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: such a secondhanded concept. Status in whose mind, status on
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: what dimensions, status based on what. So I'm very very
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: skeptical of these kind of these kind of ideas because
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: they're very.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: Defendi Yeah, and it becomes a true is because I
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: think about Wood the island has had a lot of
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: romantic success. What type of status that Okay, he's funny,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: he's famous.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: I think it would have.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: This it's funny famous, which but it's short, okay and
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: not very pretty, right, and he has no muscles?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but which particular part of the theory of hypergamy.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: The reads that.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: It's but then it claims that it's more complicated than
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: just the because by the way, I don't believe even
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: at that level women go for money. I don't see
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: many women lining up and you know, have romantic interest,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: let's say for Marcus UK back, but they have with
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: the island.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: So it's so complicated.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: As you said that, it's very difficult to to it's unfalsifiable.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: It's bit like Marxist.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: It kind of you think it makes sense on one level,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: but it's also fallacifiable.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, if you, if you, if you, if you ill,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: if you don't really define your terms. It could be anything,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: and they don't define their terms clearly. Right, It's not
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: clearly defined, so I wouldn't use that term. I would
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: never use that term. I think it's more confusing than helpful. Right, Kay,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: dampnesses everybirday one thank you. Frank says one's own view
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: of leadership is the essence of being a man. Leadership
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: challenges the infinite potential of mind and allows all men
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: to find their autonomy. Women want highly conscious men. Surely
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: can a woman be a leader? Women have been leaders?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: I have here two volumes of the biography of Maggiita.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: I have here a whole self of a woman who
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: started the intellectual movement that God is here. So there,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: by the way, speaking of Maggie Thatcher, we should do,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: at some point in an episode, go find the letter
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: the telegraph that Maggie Thatcher sends to the Argentinian dictator before.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: The attacking folkrants, okay, public.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: And finding people, And tell me how many men you
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: know that would read that would write such a let's
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: put it masculine letter, because again it's about decisiveness but
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: also clarity. Say hey, you're going to cause the mothers
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: of soldiers to tell their kids are dead. I'm going
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: to call the mother of soldiers to tell the kids
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: are dead. The difference is you're gonna call way more so,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: don't do it.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: It was it was.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm butchering that. It was absolutely absolutely brilliant.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, And so I think leadership is not a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: You might say leadership is masculine, and when a woman
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: exhibit leadership, then she's you know, accessing the masculine, which
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: is fine. But I wouldn't say leadership is male. Leadership
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: is a man. Being a man, is being a leader.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily true.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: And compared it, by the way, with the leadership of
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: troops on Twitter, and I'm going to end your civilization
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: and compare the two types of leadership.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Which is more mark, I'm going to civilization. And now
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: he's tweeting that he has now reached the deal with
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: the Iranians. So that's how he ended Civilization's ended out
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: civilization by reaching a deal with the devil.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: The biggest diplomatic victory of Iran. This sounds like in
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: ninety seventy nine, but don't quote me on this. This
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: is very fresh. We haven't seen the deal but any
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: deal any day. Having closed Hormus is the biggest victory
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: of Iran.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. He's already told Bibintanielle and he said it went
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: very well. I'm sure that conversation went very well. But
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: he's such a liar, you know, Okay, reality has no function, right.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Ian Nikos was the first person I heard in objective
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: at Circles saying the United States will lose the war
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: with you on shout out to the honesty and accuracy.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: We had the debate me and Michael Kaufman versus Jim
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Brown and Razzi Greetings.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: How much was the bet? I don't remember the amount
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: of money, but yeah, so.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Did Michael Kaufan was on which side?
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: On my side?
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised. He's a huge Trump fan and he thought
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: that Trump would lose the war? All right?
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: No, no, yes, we we yes, we thought, yeah, we
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: thought that he would lose that not he would lose
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: the war, that he wouldn't actually managed to translate this
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: to oh wait, no, you're right, No no, no, Mike
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: was on the other I wasn't Jim Brown.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: You're right, No way, Mike would be on your side,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway for us, He's watching a remind us who I
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: remember which side I was ongust it was the weeking side.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: I'll just say, given how pathetically weak the Iranians were
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of this war, pathetically weak, it takes
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: real talent and skill to lose to them. I mean
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: it really may you have to really work hard to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: be able to achieve this. And and I think I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: think they Yeah, I think they did it all right.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Greg says, Happy Birthday. Run Niko's birthday date is proving
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: more difficult to identify. They can't figure out my birthday.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: My birthday is the easiest one. It's the most stalinist
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: birthday in history. It's the day that it's Trotsky got
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: the hammer on his head and the day that the
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: Soviet tanks storm into Prague.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Figure out what the day is, and you'll know my birthday.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: There you go, right. Cobbs says, the manisphere has a
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: weird obsession with soy what that means? Do you know
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: what that means?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: I'm laughing because so I'm with rasin Canterberry and I
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: have forgotten my wallet and I'm buying milk and I
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: used it for smoothies, and I go to buy soy milk,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: and Rasie tells me I declined to buy you soy
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: milk because and he caught me into this, I mean
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: later he the manusphere of the crap. He was the
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: first who who got my attention to soy. So yeah,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: there was all this idea that soy makes you more,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: raises your extends, so you get feminized, so to speak.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: So Rasie saved me from soy.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: So you don't dot soy milk anymore.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: Well, now it's so much into my subconscious that but
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: not anyway, I don't. I will digest well like a fear.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: So the truth is, it doesn't digest that great. So
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the extrogence, but not the
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  Speaker 3: big fun.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Nichols, do you follow and know the Joco podcast?
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  Speaker 3: Of course? Wait a minute, also you it's here, so anyway,
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  Speaker 3: I can't reach the book. But yeah, I've read both
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: the books, and I wanted to show you how many
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  Speaker 3: notes they are. So yes, Joko is also an example
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  Speaker 3: of someone who you see it, you get a vibe
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  Speaker 3: of a healthy leadership, of someone who when he tells
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  Speaker 3: you something, you trust that it is the truth. Which
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  Speaker 3: again for me, this is the important thing that don't
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  Speaker 3: need to second guess. Someone says something you believe, you trust.
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  Speaker 1: Them because the CEO the Navy c.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, he has written the leadership book, the
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  Speaker 3: most famous one, Extreme Ownership.
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  Speaker 1: Cob says, Nicos, did you see Clevicula magged by the judge?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: any of them means.
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  Speaker 3: So Clervicular is the guy who is supposedly Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: he he's on he's on court.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: But the judds the judge is as if you took
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  Speaker 3: the gigs at the meme. Imagine the authority of just
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  Speaker 3: Naragansett with the physique the face of gigasad. So in
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  Speaker 3: the language of the man, mogged means you're not anymore
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  Speaker 3: the alpha male of the group. There is someone who
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  Speaker 3: imposes himself as the alpha male of the group. So
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  Speaker 3: there you have the that's morgguing a clavicula. So, yes, friend,
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  Speaker 3: I saw it right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm missing out in a whole universe. Cobs says, you
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  Speaker 1: see rich, successful guys with young beautiful women, but you
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  Speaker 1: don't see rich successful women with young handsome men. Is
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  Speaker 1: that hypogamy? First? Of all that, we said that that's
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  Speaker 1: not true. You know, I don't think that's true anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It is a whole new thing right now. Of there
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  Speaker 1: was just a big story about this New York Times
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  Speaker 1: of older women with young men, older successful wealthy women
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  Speaker 1: with young men. There is big this like the in
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  Speaker 1: thing among certain circles in New York. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's true anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And at least myself, I never said that there's no
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  Speaker 3: biological difference in how sexual attraction works among the different sexes.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that I cannot tax plan or give you
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  Speaker 3: a completely or it doesn't mean that they're not there.
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  Speaker 3: So there's no question that what men find sexually romantically
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  Speaker 3: attractive is different from what women find the sexually attractive.
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  Speaker 2: So that explains this discrepancy, friend.
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  Speaker 1: And that's true. And again it's also hard to tell
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  Speaker 1: how much of that is really coded in, how much
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  Speaker 1: of that is really part of who we are biologically,
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  Speaker 1: and how much of that is cultural and we see
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  Speaker 1: in the movies and the images projected to us. So
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to you'd really have to know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about male and female psychology. To really analyze these phenomena,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think any of these manosphere, any of
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  Speaker 1: these people have that kind of knowledge. They're just accepting
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  Speaker 1: the way things are as the given. And then I
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  Speaker 1: think things are all changing. I think the last fifty years,
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  Speaker 1: because women have entered the workplace, because we live in
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  Speaker 1: a culture that's much more mind over ented, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff is going to change, and but it
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: won't change the fact that there are fundamental differences between
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: men and women. Men and women are different, and they're
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: are going to be in some ways attracted differently. But
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  Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to manifest itself in
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  Speaker 1: different ways in the future because we live in a
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  Speaker 1: different world. Context matters.
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  Speaker 3: And they are even evolutionary psychologists who lock horns with
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  Speaker 3: a monoseur like you should know a guy from the UK,
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  Speaker 3: William Costello, who is constantly fighting with Ronald Tomassi because
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  Speaker 3: he's an evolutionary psychologist and he's telling him the things
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  Speaker 3: you say that our evolutionary psychology are not evolutionary psychology.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think a lot of evolutionary psychotgies
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  Speaker 1: is just so stories anyway. So I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 1: there is an ear when it comes to evolutionary psychology.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is bs Roland says,
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  Speaker 1: EA recently did an episode on Looks maxing. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: what you had in mind. I guess that's to you,
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  Speaker 1: not to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes it was, yes, yes it was. Maybe it
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  Speaker 3: was in a r c K. Yes I remember. An
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  Speaker 3: objective is many money to.
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  Speaker 1: Recent Oily says, happy body ran great talk from you both,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Oily, w c z N enjoying these
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  Speaker 1: duo shows. Thanks, thank you. And then this say is
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  Speaker 1: I think the final question. Manosphere's relationship with Christian nationalism
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  Speaker 1: is interesting because Jesus was a feminine guy who knows
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  Speaker 1: he's he didn't ever saw it. He didn't wheel the sword,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: but he did kick out the money changes. He had
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: had some physicality to him. He kicked out the many changes,
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  Speaker 1: money changes from the from the temple.
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  Speaker 3: Joking aside the few people in the manust who have
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  Speaker 3: actually intellectual.
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  Speaker 2: Influences.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of it is needs and it's mostly either
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: the Daylight or beyond Good and Evil and actually has
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  Speaker 3: this criticism of Christianity. So it's weird how Christianity and
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: the manuosphere go hand in hand. It gives you what
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  Speaker 3: you don't explain, this comfort that you know how we're
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: going to tell you what to do. Life is going
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: to be simple. But beyond that, if you think about it,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: I think it needs was onto something that these two
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: world views, these two systems of values, it's not clear
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  Speaker 3: how they can meet.
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  Speaker 1: But think about think about what happened in Christianity. I mean,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's right of Jesus. But think about what
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: happened in Christianity once it gets adopted by the Roman Empire.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: So Charlemagne is not exactly a whim, but he embraces
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: Christianity in the cross and goes fighting in its name.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: Or Charlemagne or a lot of warrior kings, or the Crusades, right,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: the Crusades, think of think of heg Seth, who is
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: the secretary of war, who has this big tattoo of
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: a of a of a crusading cross. There is a
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: there is a whole interpretation of Christianity that is very
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: militant and very aggressive and uh and very violent, which
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: I think counters kind of the Jesus Christianity, if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Which also shows how weird the whole thing is, or
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: what is Christianity, the theory, the history.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's all weird because that's what you get with
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: with mysticism. There's no no way around it. All right,
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  Speaker 1: as always, this is fun. Uh, So we have to
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: figure out what we're doing next week and we'll talk
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: about Six Day War when we're going to talk about that,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: and I will see all of you guys. You know what,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: I'll probably do a show tomorrow. I was gonna skip tomorrow,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: but given given, given news in the Middle East, I'll
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: need a forum in which I can vent my frustration,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: anger and uh and hatred, and I think you are it, guys.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: So I'll probably do a show tomorrow which will be
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: completely one hundred percent dedicated to me, just trying to
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: you know, telling you exactly what I think of Trump
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: if you don't know yet, and that'll be it, Nikos,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: and I'll be back. Will probably be back to the
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: Sunday schedule next week next weekend, so.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Saturday is the Champions League final. It has to
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: be Sunday.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Saturday is the Witch Final, the Champions Link Final.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: We have a Narsenal fun who is uh, we can't
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: take this away from him.
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  Speaker 2: We have towards the five.
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  Speaker 1: So Nico says it's the finals, So no show on Saturday.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: It'll be on Sunday. Generally shows will be on Sunday
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: and except you know when when things don't don't line up.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: But football, yes, football, all right? Ps g versus Arsenal
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: and Nichols. Somebody told us what he thinks of Arsenal
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: last time, so I'm not sure who he's rooting for. Actually,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: all right, guys, have a great rest of your weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you Nicos, Thank you had on happy Berthday. And
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: good to know you're out there monitoring the situation. That's
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: what we need.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mind monitoring the situation sadly has actually no impact
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: on the situation. So but yes, see you guys, see
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: you guys tomorrow. Right. Life