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#633 Getting Set for Schoolies With Paul Dillon · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time pauor parent who just answers.
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  Speaker 3: Now today somebody that I'm just delighted to talk with
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  Speaker 3: again on the podcast. He's been on The Happy Family's
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  Speaker 3: podcast a couple of times now.
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  Speaker 1: Paul Dylan.
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  Speaker 3: He is an author, an education consultant. He is also
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  Speaker 3: the Director of Data, Drug and Alcohol Research and Training Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Paul has been speaking to I don't know, something like
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred bajillion kids and parents and educators on an
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  Speaker 3: every day, every year basis. I don't know any speaker
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  Speaker 3: in Australia who has booked out as much as Paul Dylan.
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  Speaker 3: And he's kindly taken a little bit of time to
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  Speaker 3: have a chat with us today because school is just
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  Speaker 3: around the corner. Paul, you've got a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: frog in your throat, it some long COVID and you're
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  Speaker 3: not one hundred percent, so really appreciate that you've taken
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  Speaker 3: some time to have a chat about something that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of parents of school leaders are starting to get
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  Speaker 3: little bit worried about right now.
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  Speaker 2: Justin thank you very much for inviting me to be
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  Speaker 2: a part of it again. And yeah, unfortunately have long
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  Speaker 2: COVID where I'm not breathing the best and I've obvious
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  Speaker 2: throat in fiction, So apologies to anyone listening. It does
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  Speaker 2: sound sound a little bit like a mixed between Rod
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  Speaker 2: Stewart and Brenda Acaro. At the moment, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: particularly pleasant sound.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we talked about changing the time, but you insisted
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  Speaker 3: that we should do it today and I'm grateful. So
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  Speaker 3: at the moment a year twelve wrapping up. We're in
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  Speaker 3: the early part of November. We've got kids that are
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  Speaker 3: heading off to schoolies in the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It's only just around the corner now Gold Coast, Victor
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  Speaker 3: Harbor and South Australia. In WA it's called the Lever's
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  Speaker 3: Party or the Leaver's Time. I've got a daughter who's
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  Speaker 3: doing Year.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve right now. She's thinking about going to Barley with
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  Speaker 1: a couple of friends.
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  Speaker 3: I have reservations about that, Paul, and so I just
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  Speaker 3: want to have a chat with you about the general
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  Speaker 3: school is vibe. You've been to schools a few times
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  Speaker 3: as an older observer and have participated in some of
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  Speaker 3: the organizational aspects of it.
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  Speaker 1: What would you think because the media hypes it up right.
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  Speaker 3: The media says schoolies is a couple of weeks of
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  Speaker 3: year twelve school leaders, debauchery and drunkenness, and anything that
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  Speaker 3: you can imagine going wrong will go wrong. What's your
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  Speaker 3: experience and would you agree with that general media hype.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've been to quite a few schoolers events over
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  Speaker 4: the years. Recently.
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  Speaker 2: I think I went to the Gold Coast one in
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen just before COVID, and I went to the
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  Speaker 2: Victor Harville, and I think in maybe twenty sixteen, the
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  Speaker 2: other ones a little bit long ago. But look, in
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  Speaker 2: my experience, I find I've found them to be incredibly
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  Speaker 2: well organized. Young people are out to absolutely have a
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  Speaker 2: good time. But did I see incredibly poor drunken behavior
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  Speaker 2: and kids lying around in gutters and fights and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. Absolutely not. No, that doesn't mean that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, those kind of stories, and we have had
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  Speaker 2: some tragedies occur over over the years at schools events,
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  Speaker 2: But for the most part, I think these are very
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  Speaker 2: well organized. And if young people go to those well
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  Speaker 2: organized ends, those ones that like the Gold Coast one,
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  Speaker 2: for example, Victor Harbor in Wa, it's Bustleton, they actually
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  Speaker 2: have a really good time, and I think parents for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, can be fairly.
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  Speaker 4: Confident that their kids are as safe as possible.
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  Speaker 3: I think that this distinction is probably pretty important for
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  Speaker 3: most parents. I know that Barley's becoming increasingly popular. Before
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  Speaker 3: we chatted on the podcast just now, you were mentioning
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  Speaker 3: Fiji is really becoming quite popular for Sydney siders and
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  Speaker 3: maybe those in Melbourne as well. And Byron Bay has
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  Speaker 3: obviously started to really escalate in the last few years
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  Speaker 3: with Byron Bays and just the hype around the place.
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  Speaker 3: They're not all organized and there's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 3: that happens even on the Gold Coast, Victor Harbor, Buston, wherever,
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  Speaker 3: where there are kids that are doing stuff not at
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  Speaker 3: the organized activities. And your real specialty is alcohol, and
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  Speaker 3: are the drugs The risks that kids are facing, I
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  Speaker 3: presume are essentially going to be drug related.
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  Speaker 2: That reasonable certainly alcohol related, I mean that's really what
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  Speaker 2: it is. Other drugs certainly come into it for some
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  Speaker 2: young people, but the vast majority it is alcohol that
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  Speaker 2: is the most significant issue because I mean many of
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  Speaker 2: them will be eighteen and certainly they can access alcohol
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  Speaker 2: if they don't access if they can't access it themselves,
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  Speaker 2: quite often the parents are providing it to them. So
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  Speaker 2: alcohol is the absolutely number one. Look the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of school with events I went to, certainly it was
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  Speaker 2: obvious that there was more illisted drug use than I.
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  Speaker 4: Had seen in the previous years.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly not completely kind of crazy, and you know, you
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  Speaker 2: weren't seeing open drug markets and in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the street or anything like that. I think what we
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  Speaker 2: have to remember is that young people are their adolescents.
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  Speaker 2: Their brains are wide in a different way. They don't
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  Speaker 2: always make the best decisions, and what's happening is they're
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  Speaker 2: all kind of a mass in this one place, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: things can go wrong, bad decisions can be made, But
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  Speaker 2: I think it all really comes down to the foundations
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  Speaker 2: that parents have set years and years before when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to these kinds of situations. If they have good,
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  Speaker 2: strong family values they have you know, a young person
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  Speaker 2: is not going to all of a sudden make a
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  Speaker 2: decision to take in the legal drug if it's just
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  Speaker 2: not in them to do that. But certainly those young
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  Speaker 2: people who want to do that are going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to access them in these environments.
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  Speaker 4: I think the real concern.
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  Speaker 2: About school is that has occurred over the recent times
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  Speaker 2: is this move to for some reason to transport your
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  Speaker 2: child to another country.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that is just beyond me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why would you think that it would be
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  Speaker 2: a good idea for school leavns to go to a
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  Speaker 2: place like Bali. Fiji is exactly the same. These are
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  Speaker 2: once again very much organized events. They go into a
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  Speaker 2: resort and it's just massive. Young people are kept in
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  Speaker 2: a resort in Fiji and then Balley they kind of
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  Speaker 2: go wild around Koter. Yeah, this whole notion of parents
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  Speaker 2: thinking that somehow that is safer than the Gold Coast,
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  Speaker 2: and that is certainly one of the reasons why parents
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  Speaker 2: started sending their kids to Fiji. They didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: send them to the Gold Coast. They perceived that as
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  Speaker 2: far more dangerous and it was kind of like have
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  Speaker 2: you been there? You know, all they're seeing is the
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  Speaker 2: media and not realizing that actually it is a very
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  Speaker 2: well controlled event.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I've got my third daughter finishing year twelve just now,
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  Speaker 3: and she's still up in the air about whether or
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  Speaker 3: not to go with a few of her friends.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to Balley.
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  Speaker 3: The prices are astronomical now, and I don't think she's
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  Speaker 3: going to be there, but we're having these ongoing conversations.
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  Speaker 1: We'd rather stay here for a.
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  Speaker 3: Host of reasons, but primarily if something were to go wrong,
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  Speaker 3: and I know the odds are fairly low, but if
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  Speaker 3: something were to go wrong, we would much rather have
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  Speaker 3: access to Australian health resources, but also the safety resources
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  Speaker 3: that around us, in terms of policing and in terms
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  Speaker 3: of the way the Australian system is set up. So
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  Speaker 3: we're having that conversation, I reckon I think that we
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  Speaker 3: probably need to highlight a couple of other things. The
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  Speaker 3: first is that my read of the data, and you're
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  Speaker 3: in the data more than I am in this particular area, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: but my read of the data is that adolescents in
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  Speaker 3: Australia are consuming less alcohol than they ever had before,
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  Speaker 3: and also less less of drugs than they have had before.
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  Speaker 3: With a couple of little exceptions and bumps here and there,
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  Speaker 3: but primarily, our kids are making safer, healthier choices than
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  Speaker 3: any generation previous, and they're also less likely to be
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  Speaker 3: involved in sexual activity at lower rates than they ever
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  Speaker 3: had before. You seen that in the data and would
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  Speaker 3: you say that that should give parents any sort of
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  Speaker 3: comfort or do you think that it really it's just
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  Speaker 3: there's more to.
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  Speaker 1: It than that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think our problem with data at the moment
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  Speaker 2: is that COVID has delayed a lot of the normal
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  Speaker 2: data that we would see most brains school based young people.
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  Speaker 2: We have it. So they called the ASSEID SERVE the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Secondary School Act on Drug Survey. The last one
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  Speaker 2: that was conducted was twenty seventeen and released in twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: There was going to be twenty twenty data, but of
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  Speaker 2: course because of COVID, it wasn't collected.
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  Speaker 4: The twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Data has now been collected and hopefully I would imagine
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  Speaker 2: they're going to rush it out very very quickly. I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine they're going to hold it for very long,
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  Speaker 2: and so it'll be really interesting to see what has
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  Speaker 2: happened in that five year period. Certainly in terms of
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  Speaker 2: what I have seen, I'm certainly going back into schools
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  Speaker 2: this year and speaking to the kids face to face
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  Speaker 2: instead of online. We're still seeing the alcohol trend I
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  Speaker 2: believe going down. I think we will be pleasantly surprised
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  Speaker 2: with that. I can't imagine that it would have gone
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  Speaker 2: back up. It's certainly not what I'm seeing When it
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  Speaker 2: comes to a list of drugs, though, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be very very interesting because of course the drugs that
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  Speaker 2: you said were a bit of a blip with the
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  Speaker 2: drugs that you tend to use when you're socializing, so ecstasy,
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  Speaker 2: for example, MDMA, cocaine to some extent in the wider population.
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  Speaker 2: For two and a half years, these kids really haven't
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  Speaker 2: been able to socialize. They certainly haven't been to nightclubs
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  Speaker 2: or music festivals or things like that. So it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be very interesting to see what happens there whether
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  Speaker 2: you are going to see that increase. What I think
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  Speaker 2: we have to remember though, is that socializing has certainly
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  Speaker 2: changed over the through COVID, and that's where young people
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  Speaker 2: are more lightly to drink alcohol or use other drugs.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, when you're talking about the class of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two that in some states, particularly WA and
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  Speaker 2: South Australia have had it harder than in previous years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they really weren't affected in Class of twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty to Class of twenty twenty one, the class of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two had it really tough year ten, year
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  Speaker 2: eleven and year twelve, and they beginning of the year
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  Speaker 2: for those two states, who's really tough, really tough. So
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a class a cohort that it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be very interesting to see how they celebrate
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  Speaker 2: at schoolings. Are they really going to significantly let their
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  Speaker 2: hair down? Last year's school has occurred, but realistic a
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  Speaker 2: lot of kids didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah alone number this year.
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  Speaker 4: But I think what will happen is you're going to see.
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  Speaker 2: But that said, you know, I was in South Australia
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  Speaker 2: this week and I always say how many of you
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  Speaker 2: are going to the schools festival? And it was about
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  Speaker 2: half of each cohort. Now that's down on what has
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  Speaker 2: been previously and when I'm going to school. When I
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  Speaker 2: went to schools across New South Wales asking them all Queensland,
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  Speaker 2: Queensland is always almost all of them because of the
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  Speaker 2: Gold Coast event which is so well organized. But in
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales once again it was around that half
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them weren't going.
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  Speaker 4: And if they are.
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  Speaker 2: Doing anything, they're doing it kind of in small groups
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  Speaker 2: somewhere by themselves. So it'll be very interesting to see
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  Speaker 2: the numbers. But I do believe that those who want
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  Speaker 2: to go and want to go to specific places can
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  Speaker 2: often tell what your kid's going to do or what
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  Speaker 2: they want to get up to b where they.
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  Speaker 4: Asked to go.
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  Speaker 2: Because, to be quite honest, if you're asking to go
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  Speaker 2: to Bali, you want a very specific type of holiday.
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  Speaker 2: You want to be away from mum and dad as
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  Speaker 2: far as humanly possible, and yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 4: A drinking holiday, Ballei.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, I mean if you look at most
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  Speaker 2: young people who are going, you speak to the red
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  Speaker 2: frogs who go there for Bali, they say it's a
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  Speaker 2: very different culture than the ones who would go to say,
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  Speaker 2: for example, the Gold Coast or Barron.
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  Speaker 1: This is doctor Justin Courson. I'm here with Paul Dylan.
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  Speaker 3: He's a professional speaker at the head of data and
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  Speaker 3: somebody who knows more about what our kids are getting
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  Speaker 3: up to when it comes to alcohol and other drugs
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  Speaker 3: than pretty much anybody in the nation, if not the planet. Paul, kids,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's fifty percent or seventy percent or thirty percent,
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  Speaker 3: there's going to be a whole lot of them at
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  Speaker 3: schools this year. Probably the biggest school is that we've
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  Speaker 3: had in a few years as a result of the
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  Speaker 3: bounce back from the COVID restrictions.
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  Speaker 1: If parents have got.
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  Speaker 3: Kids that are thinking of heading away of the organized
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  Speaker 3: activities or to their own activities somewhere smaller with a
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  Speaker 3: small group of friends, what do you think the top
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  Speaker 3: three conversations are that we need to be having with them.
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  Speaker 2: I always say the most important if you're worried about
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  Speaker 2: if you're worried about them going. My number one question
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  Speaker 2: I always say to parents you should ask your child
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  Speaker 2: is tell me why I shouldn't be worried. It's a
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  Speaker 2: really really, really really good question to ask young people
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  Speaker 2: because it doesn't put them on the spot about what
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  Speaker 2: are you going to do? Or I'm worried about you
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  Speaker 2: doing this or worried about that. It's basically saying to them, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to think about it and give me
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  Speaker 2: the reasons why I shouldn't be worried. And hopefully what
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  Speaker 2: that does is it will it will encourage them to
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  Speaker 2: kind of say, well, now my friends have been put
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  Speaker 2: putting this and this and this into place, we have
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  Speaker 2: thought through this. You know, that kind of question is
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  Speaker 2: really really powerful and when I've tested that with kids
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  Speaker 2: and said, well, what would you answer?
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  Speaker 4: How would you answer that? With your parents?
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  Speaker 2: They come up with great answers. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we will always have a designated person, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: does not drink. We will make sure that you know,
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  Speaker 2: we have a set amount of alcohol and we do
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  Speaker 2: not drink anymore after that. We don't go and purchase
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  Speaker 2: more afterwards. Simple things like that that kids can come
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  Speaker 2: up with, and it will lease parents' minds as well,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, these kids are growing up, and to
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  Speaker 2: be quite honest, school is is the last opportunity parents
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  Speaker 2: will ever have to ask those kind of questions because
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  Speaker 2: they're now, you know, they're now actually legally adults. And
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  Speaker 2: to turn around and try to put restrictions on young
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  Speaker 2: people when they're when when are older than eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: Or over is really really hard. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, what happens in your home is actually you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have your rules about what happens at home, and
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  Speaker 2: if you want them to come home and not come
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  Speaker 2: home drunk and blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, to my mind, you actually have the right.
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  Speaker 2: They could be thirty five years old. It's your rules
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  Speaker 2: and your family I mean, my father has that and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sixty two. But I think when it comes too
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  Speaker 2: it's that perfect opportunity to have that very last conversation
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  Speaker 2: about a whole range of issues and really putting it
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  Speaker 2: onto their of how are you going to look after yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me why I shouldn't do well.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about one or two other conversation pieces
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  Speaker 3: that we might have with our kids. Something that strikes
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  Speaker 3: me is, and I've had this with two of my
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  Speaker 3: kids already, I'm about to have it with a third one,
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  Speaker 3: and that is, if anything happens, just call me. Like
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  Speaker 3: you could literally be in the worst situation ever, just
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  Speaker 3: call me. Don't leave it to somebody else to ring,
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  Speaker 3: don't leave it to your friends to get you out
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  Speaker 3: of a situation.
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  Speaker 1: Just call me and I'll work out what I can
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  Speaker 1: do to help you.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I said to young people.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I think what's very important is that the whole
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  Speaker 2: idea of school this is quite frightening for an awful
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  Speaker 2: lot of parents. So I say to like, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to w a do a series of leavers talks that
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  Speaker 2: I just talk about leavers with some of the year
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  Speaker 2: twelves that I've met over the years, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of my big things I say to that your
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  Speaker 2: parents are scared, So you know what, just be a
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  Speaker 2: really great kid for three or four days that you're away,
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  Speaker 2: or have a long you're away for just make sure
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  Speaker 2: you call them at least once a day, not a text,
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  Speaker 2: just a quick call say look, everything's fine, I'm alive,
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  Speaker 2: and that's all you need. Because that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 2: really really cementsa creates it. I think if parents put
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  Speaker 2: a rule in about saying I need you to call
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  Speaker 2: me every day, all that kind of thumb work. That
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff is as you said, it's much more
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  Speaker 2: about pushing down on kids. But I think to say
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  Speaker 2: to kids, if you've got some of your your year
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  Speaker 2: twelves friends around, you know, say to them, just make
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  Speaker 2: sure you call him my more dad at least once
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  Speaker 2: a day, just so that they know you're fine. It's
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  Speaker 2: a scary time.
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  Speaker 4: Paul.
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  Speaker 3: A great conversation, and I think a lot of parents
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  Speaker 3: of your twelve kids will we appreciative of the things
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  Speaker 3: that we've discussed today, the things that you've shared. Are
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  Speaker 3: there any last words before we wrap this up?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that the key is and I've already
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  Speaker 4: said it is.
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  Speaker 2: I think parents need to remember that offers them the
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  Speaker 2: very last opportunity, realistically to have all of these conversations
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  Speaker 2: about safety, because what school is does is it kind
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  Speaker 2: of magnifies all of those safety issues that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be facing for the next I mean, any parent
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  Speaker 2: who thinks that when they've left school and they've got through,
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  Speaker 2: oh they've got to the end of it, it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: even started.
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  Speaker 4: I mean eighteen to twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really scary kind of time, and this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be your last opportunity as a parent to
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  Speaker 2: kind of open this conversation and hopefully have that discussion
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  Speaker 2: about safety in a way that is not emotionally charged,
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  Speaker 2: but to kind of say, look, I love you, I
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  Speaker 2: care about you, and we just want you to be safe,
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  Speaker 2: and bad things can happen, but we put things into place,
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  Speaker 2: we trust each other. You know, well, you can have
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  Speaker 2: a great time, memorable time that will stay with you
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  Speaker 2: for the rest.
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  Speaker 4: Of your life.
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  Speaker 3: Paul Dylan the founder of Drug and Alcohol Research and Training,
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  Speaker 3: Australia data professional, speaker, former school teacher, author and a
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  Speaker 3: guy who knows his stuff. What a great an important conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Paul, Thank you, Justin.
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  Speaker 3: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Roland from
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  Speaker 3: Bridge Media and Craig Bruce is our executive producer. For
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  Speaker 3: more info about the things we've talked about today, check
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  Speaker 3: out Paul's website.
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  Speaker 1: You can just google Paul.
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  Speaker 3: We'll link to him in the show notes, and you'll
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  Speaker 3: also be able to find out where he's giving talks
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  Speaker 3: for school students, parents, teachers and everyone else right around
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  Speaker 3: the nation. We'll link to all of that, and if
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  Speaker 3: you'd like more information about making your family happier, visit
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  Speaker 3: us at happy families dot com dot au.