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Credlin | 7 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Malgore to the show. Steve Price with you,
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin having a little break. Great to have you
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Speaker 2: with us tonight. Now here's what's coming up on Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: We'll start with a shock report that finds a number
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Speaker 2: of popular electric vehicles are falling short of the advertised
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Speaker 2: battery range. Now we'll take you through that. It is
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Speaker 2: quite extraordinary. Also, if you want practical proof of when
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Speaker 2: decisions made by politicians, state or federal that cause pain,
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Speaker 2: look no further than occupancy rates for CBD officers right
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Speaker 2: around Australia. Guess what, Melbourne the worst by a mile
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Speaker 2: thanks to Dan Andrews and COVID. Yet another state, this
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Speaker 2: time New South Wales, looking at giving state ministers the
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Speaker 2: power to force farmers to open up their properties to
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Speaker 2: transmission lines, prompting another rural revolt. Plus the US President
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Speaker 2: Amy to meet Vladimir Putin and Ukraine's Vladimir Zelenski in
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Speaker 2: another desperate bid to end that bloody war. Will talk
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Speaker 2: to Koshergata and Michael Danby about the chance of that happening.
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Speaker 2: But first up, though nearly four years on from the
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Speaker 2: dark days of COVID, a new survey from the Property
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Speaker 2: Council of Australia sketches out in graphic terms the impact
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Speaker 2: of hollowing out our major capital cities by forcing virtually
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Speaker 2: everybody to work from home. Remember that, well now as
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Speaker 2: we reach mid twenty twenty five, it's not a pretty picture. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: if you're trying to run a small business in a
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Speaker 2: major city in a CBD, like a coffee shop, a
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Speaker 2: sandwich stool, say, or a dry cleaners or a shoe
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Speaker 2: repair business, you'd be lucky to still be trading. And
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Speaker 2: no surprise, the most lockdown city in the world, Melbourne
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Speaker 2: is struggling the most, with one in five I repeat that,
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Speaker 2: one in five off of spaces sitting empty for more
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Speaker 2: than twelve months. And what does the premiere of that
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Speaker 2: state release at her labor conference last weekend? Well, this
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Speaker 2: was just Cinta Allen last Saturday.
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Speaker 3: My labor government will make working from home a right,
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Speaker 3: not a request. Are rough If you can reasonably do
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Speaker 3: your job from home, you'll have the right to do
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Speaker 3: so for at least two days a week public or private.
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Speaker 2: One in five office blocks empty And what do they
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Speaker 2: do They talk about working from home, and what do
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Speaker 2: they say about making a mistake and repeating it over
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Speaker 2: and over and over again or you're doomed to make
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Speaker 2: the same mistake. Now, Melbourne has the highest vacancy rate
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Speaker 2: in the nation, sitting at seventeen point nine percent. By contrast,
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Speaker 2: Sydney's at thirteen point seven percent and Brisbane at ten
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Speaker 2: point seven percent. Now to compare pre COVID vacancy percentages
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Speaker 2: for Melbourne, you won't believe this. The office empty figure
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Speaker 2: was three point four percent, the lowest of any state
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Speaker 2: in the country. I mean this should make every Victorian angry.
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Speaker 2: Dan Andrews blew the joined up and has walked away
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Speaker 2: with a lifetime pension free office space and the opportunity
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Speaker 2: to work as he wants, or leaving a smoking ruin
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Speaker 2: behind him and Premier Allan can't see the wood for
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Speaker 2: the trees, arguing to win applause apparently from a union
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Speaker 2: based mate, the audience last weekend and votes from young people,
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Speaker 2: especially young women, who she wants to give the right
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Speaker 2: to tell their own bosses look sorry. By law, I
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Speaker 2: can work from home two days a week now, It's
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Speaker 2: the reason I find it very hard to swallow this
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Speaker 2: comment from the Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who's writing Shotgun obviously
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Speaker 2: for his labor mate Premier Allen.
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Speaker 4: What I've tried to do, whether it's this question you
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Speaker 4: just asked me or a whole range of questions about
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Speaker 4: state governments, is to not kind of sit in constant
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Speaker 4: judgment of the policy steps that they take. The Victorian
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Speaker 4: government supports work from home, as does the Commonwealth government.
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Speaker 2: Now the Property Council also release stats on office attendance
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Speaker 2: for the first quarter of this year twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Naturally it tells a similar story. Melbourne the worst on
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Speaker 2: sixty three percent. And here's the rub looking at the
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Speaker 2: same figures for Perth and Adelaide and the WA Capitol
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Speaker 2: sitting at ninety three percent, Adelaide at eighty eight percent.
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Speaker 2: What a difference. Look, I've said this over and over again.
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Speaker 2: The toxic Victorian labor government is driving people out of
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Speaker 2: the state. And when I claim that actually Melbourne's population,
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Speaker 2: they all say, oh, it's growing, the population's going up. Well,
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Speaker 2: of course it is. It's immigration, including tens of thousands
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Speaker 2: of foreign students studying here. It's shameful. What ten years
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Speaker 2: of labor has done to Victoria. Now, just before I
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Speaker 2: go to Canberra, one other quick point on the economy.
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Speaker 2: We learned today that a national transport company, after thirty
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Speaker 2: five years in business, has collapsed, owing millions of dollars
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Speaker 2: and putting two hundred people out of work. It's called
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Speaker 2: XL Express. It runs up and down the East Coast,
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Speaker 2: Brisbane based, running freight up and down between Brisbane, Sydney
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Speaker 2: and Melbourne. Now it went into voluntary administration in June
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Speaker 2: and it fell over today, owing around forty two million
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Speaker 2: dollar to creditors. Why do I mention this when I
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Speaker 2: mentioned this, because it seems these are daily events in construction, hospitality, transport,
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Speaker 2: you name it. So how come Jim Charmers says everything
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Speaker 2: is rosy. It's not and for many Australians it feels
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Speaker 2: like we're actually in a recession. Let's head to Camber
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Speaker 2: now for tonight's political headlines with Skye News political reporter Rubensbargo.
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Speaker 5: The backlash from artists and content creators is growing and
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Speaker 5: Midnight Oil frontman Peter Garrett is.
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Speaker 2: Leading the charge.
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Speaker 5: He says AI companies must pay for copyrighted material if
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Speaker 5: they are using it to train their systems. Some licensing
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Speaker 5: deals exist, but they're patchy at best. There's now calls
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Speaker 5: for a national framework to regulate AI use. The issue
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Speaker 5: is dividing Federal Parliament.
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Speaker 6: A government, so a government that supports the arts. I
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Speaker 6: think across the board, AI is obviously a complex issue.
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Speaker 6: We need to engage in discourse about how we make
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Speaker 6: sure that we maximize the benefits but minimize any of the.
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Speaker 7: Other factors.
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Speaker 5: The Coalition is calling for strict guard rails on AI developments.
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Speaker 5: Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson is signaling he's open to reform.
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Speaker 8: I think there's a reasonable argument that there needs to
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Speaker 8: be compensation or some kind of amelioration or the fact
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Speaker 8: that it's using other people's intellectual property, but we shouldn't
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Speaker 8: allow it to get in the way of AI innovation development.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the last thing we would want to do
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Speaker 8: is make Australia a jurisdiction which is hostile to the
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Speaker 8: role out and development of AI technology, because that will
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Speaker 8: just mean we miss out.
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Speaker 5: The AI debate comes as the government prepares to host
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Speaker 5: its Productivity Roundtable in under two weeks. Another bold idea
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Speaker 5: floated ahead of the summit, raising the GST from ten
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Speaker 5: to fifteen percent and scrapping exemptions on fresh food, health
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Speaker 5: and education. The proposal from Tel MP Kate Cheney and
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Speaker 5: economist Richard Holden would see Australians compensated with a three thousand,
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Speaker 5: three hundred dollars rebate. Modeling suggests low and middle income
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Speaker 5: earners would be better off.
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Speaker 6: Governments make government policy, and our tax policy. The only
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Speaker 6: tax policy that we're implementing is the one that we
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Speaker 6: took to the election.
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Speaker 5: Tax reform seems to be a pressure point for the
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister and there is no sign the debate is cooling.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Reuben, thank you for that. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: our panel tonight' Scott News contributor Caro Lee, Katzmbarnas and
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Speaker 2: journalists Daily Telegraph James Willis, Welcome to you both. I
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Speaker 2: want to start with that late breaking news today. That's
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Speaker 2: Kathleen Folbig, who of course was jarbbed for twenty years
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Speaker 2: over the deaths of her four children and ultimately exonerated
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Speaker 2: and freed two years ago. She'll receive only two million
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Speaker 2: dollars from the b state government in compensation now. Her
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Speaker 2: supporters today called the amount unfair and a moral affront.
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Speaker 2: Her lawyer Ronnie Riggs said the system had failed her client,
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Speaker 2: making the point that quote Kathleen had lost her for children,
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Speaker 2: lost twenty years the best years of her life, and
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Speaker 2: is still traumatized James. A lot of MPs agree in
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Parliament. Surely they're going to have
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Speaker 2: to have a rethink about this, aren't they.
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Speaker 9: Well, I agree with you, Steve. I think it's nowhere
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Speaker 9: near enough.
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Speaker 10: And when I saw the stories come out this afternoon,
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Speaker 10: I thought there should have been an extra zero and
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Speaker 10: what was being reported two million dollars for losing twenty
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Speaker 10: years of your life, for losing your children, from being
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Speaker 10: falsely and wrongly and horrifically accused of being a childkiller.
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Speaker 9: It just seems inadequate and I think it's going to.
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Speaker 10: Have to be majorly reworked. There's been comparisons to the
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Speaker 10: money that was offered to Lindy Chamblin all those years ago,
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Speaker 10: and I think when you consider all these years later,
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Speaker 10: it should be a lot more money for or what
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Speaker 10: she has been through. And I think the state government
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Speaker 10: will have to go back to the drawing board and
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Speaker 10: look at something far more adequate. I mean, I would
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Speaker 10: have thought a million dollars a year times twenty twenty
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Speaker 10: million dollars that would be a starting point. Two million
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Speaker 10: dollars will not be enough and should not be enough
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Speaker 10: for what has occurred.
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Speaker 2: Here, Caroly. As James said, there was some comparison back
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Speaker 2: to the payout for Lindy Chamberlain, and Lindy served three
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Speaker 2: years in prison. It was wrong in prisonment and thank
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Speaker 2: god we didn't have the death penalty back then because
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Speaker 2: she wouldn't be with us. What do you make of
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Speaker 2: that payout twenty years in jail for something you didn't do.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, evening to both of you and to the viewers
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Speaker 11: as well. Look, this has also hit a nerve with me.
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Speaker 11: It's woefully inadequate. In May two thousand and nine, the
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Speaker 11: Liberal premiere of Western Australia, Columbarnett, actually made an ex
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Speaker 11: grasher payment of about three point two five million dollars
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Speaker 11: for Andrew Mallard, who was wrongfully accused convict did of
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Speaker 11: the murder of Perth mum Pamela Lawrence back in nineteen
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Speaker 11: ninety five. Mallards served twelve years behind bars, and as
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Speaker 11: I said, in two thousand and nine, he was awarded
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Speaker 11: three point two five million dollars. He has since died.
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Speaker 11: He died when he was in the United States, but
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Speaker 11: it just really doesn't add up. And so I was
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Speaker 11: actually in the state at the time in two thousand
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Speaker 11: and nine. I remember it well, and I really do
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Speaker 11: think as James and you have both said, they need
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Speaker 11: to go back to the drawing board in New South
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Speaker 11: Wales and perhaps do a little bit more homework on
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Speaker 11: what should be done. I mean, I'm a mum myself.
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Speaker 11: It is true, Kathleen Folbick. You know, she's been found
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Speaker 11: not guilty, and she has lost the best twenty years
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Speaker 11: of her life, and justice was served in her case
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Speaker 11: and nothing can ever compensate what she's gone through, the
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Speaker 11: loss of her four children, the loss of her freedom.
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Speaker 11: But at least some monetarily compensation will help her in
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Speaker 11: the next phase of her life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we're public groundswell here and I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't surprised if James's newspaper, The Daily Telegraph got behind
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Speaker 2: it and started to question how they came up with
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Speaker 2: that figure I mentioned at the beginning of the program.
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Speaker 2: The Property Council has revealed Melbourne has the highest vacancy
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Speaker 2: rate in the whole country. Nearly one in five CBD
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Speaker 2: offices completely empty for over twelve months. I know places
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Speaker 2: like the radio station three OW where Caroly works. The
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Speaker 2: building there the only people in the I think it's
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Speaker 2: about a six or seven story building right in the
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Speaker 2: CBD of Melbourne. The only tenant is three OW. It
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Speaker 2: was until recently. Is that right, Caroly?
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Speaker 11: It is Steve, it's three OW. And it's also Amsa
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Speaker 11: as well that have just moved in a few months ago.
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Speaker 11: But you're right, and I mean, this is another badge
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Speaker 11: that Victoria really doesn't need. We're already the protest capital
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Speaker 11: of Australia, with a pothole capital, with a youth crime capital,
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Speaker 11: with a machete attack capital, as you featured so beautifully
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Speaker 11: on Kredlin last night.
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Speaker 12: This is something.
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Speaker 11: I mean, We've gone to an eighteen percent vacancy rate,
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Speaker 11: the highest in the nation pre pandemic. It's only five
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Speaker 11: years ago we were down to three point four percent.
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Speaker 11: And the thing is it sends the wrong message out.
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Speaker 11: I also wanted to say this is a stunt by
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Speaker 11: Justin to Allan and the Victorian Labor government because last
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Speaker 11: time I checked it was thirty years ago. The Victorian
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Speaker 11: state government handed over its industrial relations law to the
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Speaker 11: federal government, so they actually can't legislate on this, but
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Speaker 11: mandating that whether you work privately or public you know,
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Speaker 11: or in public service, that it's enshrine two days a
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Speaker 11: week working from home. That does not send a positive
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Speaker 11: message out for investment, to attract investment from overseas, to
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Speaker 11: entract investment from interstate as well, and it's the wrong
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Speaker 11: message to send out. This can easily be sorted between
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Speaker 11: an employer and an employee, and as we know with
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Speaker 11: frontline workers, it really is dividing. Not everyone can do
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Speaker 11: a work from home. And Alan just knows it's just
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Speaker 11: it's a thought bubble. She can't legally do anything about this.
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Speaker 11: And I just hope that the you know, the state
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Speaker 11: opposition really fires up, you know, the elections next year.
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Speaker 11: Come on, everyone's got to get behind this and call
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Speaker 11: it out for what it is. A thought bubble.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go to Sydney, you just realize what
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Speaker 2: a more bustling capital city that's become. James early last
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Speaker 2: year are Premier Min's warnedyes MPs who were speaking out
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Speaker 2: about the Guards of War that they if they should
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Speaker 2: become an MP, go down the road to Canberra. If
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Speaker 2: they want to focus on international affairs, what's he going
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Speaker 2: to do about that group of ministers, including Penny Sharp,
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Speaker 2: who decided to march in that pro Palestine rally across
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Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor Bridge on the weekend.
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Speaker 9: Well that's right, Stephen.
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Speaker 10: And this is a problem not just for the New
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Speaker 10: South Wales Labor Party but for labor caucuses all over
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Speaker 10: the country, including the federal caucus, is that every time
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Speaker 10: this issue comes to hand, you have people that are
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Speaker 10: widely divided on the Middle East, and indeed anyone from
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Speaker 10: the labor left seems to be convinced that, you know, Israel,
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Speaker 10: this monstrous government that have just been railroading over the top.
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Speaker 10: And I mean, as we know when this has been
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Speaker 10: discussed at length over the past few days, everyone can
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Speaker 10: have sympathy for what's going on the Middle East, and
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Speaker 10: indeed some of what is occurring is tragic, but no
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Speaker 10: one seems to be able to answer the question in
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Speaker 10: regards to a two state solution about what that actually
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Speaker 10: means for the elected government of the Palestinian district, which
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Speaker 10: is Hamas. Who are a terrorist organization? Are they part
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Speaker 10: of this? Are they on the table? Everyone seems to
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Speaker 10: be shying from that and just condemning Israel and the
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Speaker 10: Israeli government all at once.
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Speaker 9: But for labor, this is a minefield.
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Speaker 10: And when you have Chris Mins, who's made comments previously
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Speaker 10: but also understands that if he goes and dies on
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Speaker 10: a hill about this, that there's too many members of
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Speaker 10: the caucus that are going the other way. And yeah,
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Speaker 10: you had ministers and MPs, multiple MPs plus the former
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Speaker 10: longtime premiere Bob Kahr taking part in that protest on
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Speaker 10: the weekend. There's a wider issue here as well. Step
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Speaker 10: in regards to the protest laws and look, there's laws
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Speaker 10: in New Southwes is meant to be about people blocking
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Speaker 10: major infrastructure like roads, like ports, like trains, and it's
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Speaker 10: interesting the police and the government haven't taken that line
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Speaker 10: when opposing these protests up until now. So certainly we've
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Speaker 10: got a precint and over the weekend and it'll be
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Speaker 10: interesting to see what happens from here.
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Speaker 9: But yeah, definitely at a federal level as well, as.
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Speaker 10: We know, there's been a lot of MPs and ministers
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Speaker 10: that have been very gun shy on this issue. And
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Speaker 10: one of the issues for that is votes and who's
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Speaker 10: voting for the Labor Party and who is in these seats.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely spot on, Caroly James, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: joining us. We'll talk to you again next week. Coming
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Speaker 2: up after the break, there is an issue with electric
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Speaker 2: vehicles and some of the Australian revealed today that the
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Speaker 2: claims they're making about how far these things can go
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Speaker 2: they don't actually match up. So we all have a
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Speaker 2: look at that with Paul Gover also coming up after
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Speaker 2: the break. Could a bill before the new South Wales
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Speaker 2: Parliament result in more farmers losing their land in the
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Speaker 2: name of renewables. Welcome back to do price with you
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Speaker 2: to get back into that issue working from home in
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Speaker 2: just a moment. But now to a bill that has
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Speaker 2: been before the new South Wales Parliament. I think late
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Speaker 2: breaking news that this bill might have actually passed this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: We'll find out from our next guest. It's about farmers
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Speaker 2: losing control over some of their land. Labors pushing the
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Speaker 2: bill that could grant energy Minister Penny Sharp and we
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Speaker 2: hate it when ministers get sweeping powers to access private
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Speaker 2: land without consent. It's happened to Victoria where farmers are
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Speaker 2: going to be fined twelve thousand dollars if they don't
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Speaker 2: let transmission line companies onto their property. Now the owners
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Speaker 2: are not going to be able to refuse if this
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Speaker 2: bill does pass. The Priority Network Projects Bill is what
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Speaker 2: it's called. It's for everything. The New South Wales regional
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Speaker 2: farmers do not want. Communities are where the impact it's
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Speaker 2: going to be dreadful. It means the door could be
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Speaker 2: flung open for future land acquisitions under broad social or
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Speaker 2: clock at goals were next to no transparency. Farmer Grant
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Speaker 2: Pipa runs a beef cattle in central western New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: He's already had his land acquired by energy coat. He's
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Speaker 2: surrounded by wind turbine projects. He fears eventually he's going
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Speaker 2: to have to abandon his property. Grant, have you got
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Speaker 2: an update for us this bill? It has passed? Has
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Speaker 2: it not? I believe so.
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Speaker 1: I checked in on it periodically through the day. But
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Speaker 1: when I came in later, Yeah, it looks like I've
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Speaker 1: got over the line. There were some delays today, but
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Speaker 1: they got it. They push it through.
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Speaker 2: Explain Have I explained it well enough? The guts of
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Speaker 2: it is that you will be you'll have diminished rights
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Speaker 2: over your own land. Is that the guts of it.
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Speaker 2: It will be.
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Speaker 1: There's already compulsory acquisition rights for state significant infrastructure, and
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Speaker 1: I guess they talked about extending that to more projects.
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Speaker 1: So far it's only been transmission lines, but now they've
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Speaker 1: floated the idea of extending it to wind and solar
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Speaker 1: and other other projects.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, yeah, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Anything that extends the minister's powers or you know, their
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Speaker 1: executive order ability to just ram things through, it just
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Speaker 1: crushes the whole idea of having a parliamentary democracy. I
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Speaker 1: can't see how you can justify it in any way whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if they've got to ram this amendment through
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Speaker 1: to give them more power in an environment there's already
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Speaker 1: private or maneity co go ahead government. We don't need
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Speaker 1: any more power on their side. We're already you know,
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Speaker 1: we can't get a fair go and that's what we're after.
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Speaker 12: Grant.
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Speaker 2: As you know, once they get power like this, politicians
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Speaker 2: are very reluctant to give it back, even if it's
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Speaker 2: from the other side of politics. Explain to me where
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Speaker 2: you are and what you renewable energy projects you've got
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Speaker 2: around your place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, We've been through that a few times. But yeah, correct,
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Speaker 1: they keep ratcheting up the pressure and taking more power.
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Speaker 1: And we saw that through COVID and these are the
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Speaker 1: same techniques being used now to ram through the transition
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Speaker 1: the net zero rubbish as well. And we're all suffering
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Speaker 1: for it. We're all going to pay for it, and
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Speaker 1: so are our children. The costs are immense, and it
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Speaker 1: has no technical merit or economic merit, and it has
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Speaker 1: no environmental merit. Locally, you're taking farmland out of production
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Speaker 1: to put this toxic junk on it. That is a
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Speaker 1: terrible power producer. Yeah, we're on the Great Dividing Range
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Speaker 1: near Cooler Castlos area. We run beef cattle where you
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Speaker 1: are credited. We're LPA are credited. And we're going to
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Speaker 1: have one hundred and thirty odd turbines to the west
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Speaker 1: of US and the next ridge west which is an
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Speaker 1: absolute fire has it We won't be able to fight
19:52
Speaker 1: a fire in there with aircraft. And then north of
19:55
Speaker 1: US is one hundred and eighty five turbines and Liverpool
19:57
Speaker 1: Range wind Farm inside the rears is scheduled to be
20:02
Speaker 1: over a thousand turbines plus the solar so it's going
20:06
Speaker 1: to be a huge change and a huge impact, and
20:09
Speaker 1: they actually don't acknowledge any of the downsides. They just
20:13
Speaker 1: keep ignoring our concerns and they don't really address them
20:17
Speaker 1: correctly or seriously.
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Speaker 2: I went to a little place called Ropewood in western
20:25
Speaker 2: Victoria a couple of weekends ago, and I came across
20:29
Speaker 2: this little place and it's surrounded by one hundred and
20:31
Speaker 2: ten wind turbines up and running, with a couple of
20:34
Speaker 2: them quite close to the road. Until people actually stand
20:38
Speaker 2: at the base of one of these things. Grant, they
20:41
Speaker 2: don't have any idea, do they. How monstrous these things are?
20:47
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean Santain point howers three oh five,
20:50
Speaker 1: three hundred and five meters. The turbines west of us
20:52
Speaker 1: will be two fifty. The ones down the southwest res
20:55
Speaker 1: they're talking of two seventy two ninety meters, so they're
20:57
Speaker 1: at center point. How tight I mean they they dwarf
21:00
Speaker 1: the harbor ridge stanchions.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the huge.
21:04
Speaker 1: They are enormous, and they've got enormous amounts of materials
21:07
Speaker 1: and oil in them, and they're going to need enormous
21:09
Speaker 1: amounts of maintenance, and they're a fire hazard and that
21:12
Speaker 1: they start fires also because they're not maintained correctly, they
21:16
Speaker 1: leak oil, the gearbox driers out, they get hot and
21:20
Speaker 1: they start falling to bits, and they do talk about
21:23
Speaker 1: what they're going to do to fix that.
21:27
Speaker 2: Just wish more people to hear those words that you
21:30
Speaker 2: just up to there grunt and took some notice of it.
21:32
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for joining us. I appreciate it.
21:34
Speaker 2: Good luck with it. We'll keep in touch and I
21:36
Speaker 2: know Peter, we'll keep in touch with you as well.
21:38
Speaker 2: Now I want to move on to this crazy legislation
21:41
Speaker 2: proposed by the Allen Labour government. It's going to be
21:44
Speaker 2: to make the right to work from home law, so
21:47
Speaker 2: it'll be mandated that your employees will be able to say, look,
21:50
Speaker 2: it's legal that I work from home two days a
21:54
Speaker 2: week now. Yesterday, Chief Executive the Property Council, Mike Zorbis
21:58
Speaker 2: told members it offered a amming rebuke of the policy,
22:01
Speaker 2: calling it a stunt designed to distract from the government's
22:04
Speaker 2: mounting debt. Well, I hope it's a stunt, he went
22:07
Speaker 2: on to say. If only the Victorian premier spent half
22:09
Speaker 2: as much time cracking down on the actual criminals crawling
22:12
Speaker 2: all over Victorian government work sites. If only Treasurer Jim
22:16
Speaker 2: Chalmers would lend out the Productivity Commission so it could
22:19
Speaker 2: improve Victorian cabinet. Pretty scathing stuff. Joining us now the
22:23
Speaker 2: Victorian head of the AI Group, Tim Piper, Tim, do
22:28
Speaker 2: you believe it when the Premier stood up at the
22:30
Speaker 2: weekend and since he wants to make it law that
22:32
Speaker 2: everyone can work from home for two days a week
22:34
Speaker 2: and the boss won't ever say in it, Well.
22:36
Speaker 13: There was no consultation, Steve, and I was getting calls
22:40
Speaker 13: next morning, very early from a number of different members.
22:42
Speaker 13: I was getting texts at midnight when people realized what
22:45
Speaker 13: was happening. People are very concerned about it, and it
22:47
Speaker 13: just seems like the government's wanting to pick a fup
22:49
Speaker 13: with business at the wrong time, when at a stage
22:52
Speaker 13: when the government actually seemed to have been coming back
22:54
Speaker 13: towards business, not offering an anti business sentiment. But this
22:57
Speaker 13: is deliberately provocative having it go out business, and because
23:01
Speaker 13: they know that business wants to be flexible, but they
23:03
Speaker 13: want to have they don't want to be mandated.
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Speaker 2: Sixteen months out from a state election. Some interpretation on
23:09
Speaker 2: this after Saturday has been that she's got no real
23:12
Speaker 2: intention of doing it. She wanted to get the message
23:15
Speaker 2: out there that sticks in people's minds because she looked
23:18
Speaker 2: at the federal election result and saw that when Peter
23:21
Speaker 2: Dutton mentioned cur tailing working from home and he was
23:25
Speaker 2: talking about the Comweth Public Service, labor weaponized it made
23:28
Speaker 2: it about everybody, and it won a lot of votes
23:31
Speaker 2: for labor. Do you believe that she might be doing
23:33
Speaker 2: that rather than really intending to bring it.
23:36
Speaker 13: In Well, the press release that came out on Saturday
23:38
Speaker 13: said that would be a popular policy. Now, popular policies
23:41
Speaker 13: are not always good policy, but that's one of the
23:43
Speaker 13: things you have to consider. They will be able to
23:45
Speaker 13: manage to wedge the liberal opposition here. Peter Dutton made
23:49
Speaker 13: that mistake and the lives in Victoria don't want to
23:53
Speaker 13: make the same mistake. So she's coming out and recognizing
23:56
Speaker 13: that that will be popular with the electorate because people
23:59
Speaker 13: do want to stay at home. But whether it's actually
24:01
Speaker 13: good for the economy, good for people with jobs in
24:03
Speaker 13: the longer term, I question, because some people are going
24:06
Speaker 13: to be at home zero days and still be able
24:08
Speaker 13: to require them, but others are allowed to work from
24:12
Speaker 13: home five days what businesses might are saying to me
24:15
Speaker 13: is they might require everybody to be in three days.
24:18
Speaker 13: And this sort of gruns counter to what the government wants.
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Speaker 2: It should be the right of the person who's writing
24:22
Speaker 2: the checks and paying people to say, Okay, I love
24:27
Speaker 2: all you as a workforce, you're talented, I'm pleased that
24:29
Speaker 2: you work for me. Tim, you come in what would
24:33
Speaker 2: suit you. I mean, I'm offering you if you believe
24:37
Speaker 2: that it's good for you and for the business, and
24:40
Speaker 2: you can prove it to me, then I'll let you
24:42
Speaker 2: work on Monday and Friday at home if you want to.
24:45
Speaker 2: But it's not the government saying, Tim, you can't let
24:49
Speaker 2: your workforce. You can't make your workforce work five days
24:52
Speaker 2: a week. And what's it say about dividing up workers
24:56
Speaker 2: in this country where ambos and police, nurses and you know,
25:00
Speaker 2: all of those frontline people have to go to work.
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Speaker 13: It's very divisive to those people that we know are
25:07
Speaker 13: needed that they want to be able to have this
25:09
Speaker 13: advantage as well, but they won't ever get it. But
25:11
Speaker 13: if you look around the country, the national businesses that
25:14
Speaker 13: are concerned about it, they're going to have a difference
25:16
Speaker 13: in Victoria to everywhere else, so that makes a patchwork
25:19
Speaker 13: for them. And then you even listen to the premiers
25:21
Speaker 13: in other states, the labor premiers in other states, they
25:24
Speaker 13: see the value in having flexibility but being able to
25:27
Speaker 13: negotiate between employer and employer as to.
25:30
Speaker 2: What is reasonable.
25:31
Speaker 13: And most businesses have been reasonable because you know what,
25:34
Speaker 13: the employee can can vote with his feet or her
25:37
Speaker 13: feet and leave if it's not reasonable, and that's what's
25:40
Speaker 13: been working Steve. This mandated position just won't cut it
25:44
Speaker 13: with business.
25:44
Speaker 2: It's almost as if the Allan labor government wants to
25:48
Speaker 2: drive private business out of the state. When I referred
25:51
Speaker 2: last night to the old russbucket days that you and
25:53
Speaker 2: I'd remember under Joan Kerner. Well, you know, if you're
25:56
Speaker 2: running a business, say you're in Wodonga and this comes in,
26:00
Speaker 2: we'll just shift across the river into New South Wales
26:02
Speaker 2: and you won't have to worry about it.
26:03
Speaker 13: Well, I'm worried about where people might head because investment's
26:07
Speaker 13: going to drive going to stop and slow down. So
26:10
Speaker 13: companies that are looking to the five year period they
26:13
Speaker 13: might not leave tomorrow or even next year, but if
26:16
Speaker 13: they stop investing, there's the possibility of them leaving in
26:18
Speaker 13: five years time because that'll make it much easier for them.
26:21
Speaker 13: Then we don't want that to happen. Victoria is a
26:24
Speaker 13: vibrant place. We all want it to make it happen
26:27
Speaker 13: and work well. But this is actually discouraging businesses and
26:30
Speaker 13: making them much less confident than we want them to be.
26:33
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something. You're not going to be surprised
26:34
Speaker 2: about those office vacancy rates I talked about. One in
26:39
Speaker 2: five have been empty for more than twelve months. We've
26:42
Speaker 2: got the lowest occupancy rate in the country by a
26:45
Speaker 2: mile and office how I was spent in the office
26:48
Speaker 2: lowest in the country. Isn't that absolute perfect physical proof
26:54
Speaker 2: of what's happening here in our.
26:56
Speaker 13: Office where we are Steve five stories at about two
26:59
Speaker 13: and a half free. Before COVID they weren't, So that
27:02
Speaker 13: needs to change. But when you've got seventeen eighteen percent
27:05
Speaker 13: vacancy rate, which is significantly higher than any other state,
27:09
Speaker 13: You've got to ask why that is.
27:10
Speaker 2: And it's about the.
27:11
Speaker 13: Work from home giving them. Giving people so much opportunity
27:15
Speaker 13: means that people don't want to come in and it
27:17
Speaker 13: affects CBRD businesses. The big and the small and it
27:20
Speaker 13: affects property owners, and it affects the entire makeup of
27:25
Speaker 13: what the Victorian economy is.
27:26
Speaker 2: We're spending billions and billions of dollars on an underground
27:30
Speaker 2: rail network that we're telling you one to work from
27:32
Speaker 2: home work.
27:35
Speaker 13: Well, you've got a question that, don't you as to
27:37
Speaker 13: the validity of it and the need for it. I
27:39
Speaker 13: think we've just got to make sure that right now
27:43
Speaker 13: we give it the opportunity for businesses to feel confident.
27:46
Speaker 13: We aren't doing that. We're actually sending the wrong message
27:49
Speaker 13: and it's a political message. Unfortunately.
27:51
Speaker 2: Can you engage with the PREMI does it work?
27:53
Speaker 13: Oh, We've got very good engagement with the premier. In fact,
27:55
Speaker 13: this is the funny thing. Under these circumstances. We've been
27:58
Speaker 13: having terrific consultation with the game since the new premier arrived.
28:01
Speaker 13: But this was a no consultation. It was actually deliberately
28:05
Speaker 13: given to the Labor Party conference last weekend.
28:08
Speaker 2: It was totally out of the blue. Jim Piper, appreciate
28:11
Speaker 2: you coming in. Thank you. After the break? How well
28:13
Speaker 2: did popular how well do popular electric vehicles stack up
28:17
Speaker 2: in a landmark test? This is on Australian roads, how
28:19
Speaker 2: far do they actually go? Plus the proposal to relocate
28:23
Speaker 2: Captain Cook's cottage from Woke, Melbourne. Welcome back Tolee Price
28:32
Speaker 2: with you a reminder Andrew Bolt at the top of
28:34
Speaker 2: the hour. We'll also look at this idea that a
28:37
Speaker 2: new South Wales MP would like Captain Cook's cottage taken
28:40
Speaker 2: from Fitzroy Gardens in Melbourne relocated to Sydney. First up, though,
28:44
Speaker 2: let's bring in Scott his contributor. Industry expert Paul Gover
28:47
Speaker 2: knows more about cars than just about anyone in the
28:49
Speaker 2: country to talk us through this story in the Australian
28:52
Speaker 2: newspaper Today about EV's electric vehicles now a landmark Australian
28:57
Speaker 2: road test has revealed that many of the popular evs,
29:00
Speaker 2: including Teslas and byds Build Your Dreams strange name, fall
29:05
Speaker 2: significantly short of their advertised battery range in real world
29:09
Speaker 2: driving conditions. For example, the twenty twenty three BYD Atto
29:14
Speaker 2: three Can you Believe This was twenty three percent below
29:17
Speaker 2: the advertised road distance, while the twenty twenty four Tesla
29:20
Speaker 2: Model three fourteen percent below. The lab range for the
29:24
Speaker 2: BYD was four hundred and eighty kilometers but the test
29:28
Speaker 2: found a range of just three sixty nine on a
29:30
Speaker 2: single charge. Now, seriously, I mean, how can you advertise
29:34
Speaker 2: something as falsely as that. What does it do when
29:37
Speaker 2: you buy one of these things, when you first drive
29:39
Speaker 2: one and you realize you can't get as far as
29:42
Speaker 2: you really wanted to go. Paul Gover joins US. Now, Paul,
29:46
Speaker 2: this is absolutely outrageous. But I must say it probably
29:50
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me.
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Speaker 14: It should definitely not surprise you, Steve. Electric cars. One
29:57
Speaker 14: of the most important things with people even thinking about
30:01
Speaker 14: electric car a little I'm buying one is what the
30:03
Speaker 14: range is. And so the katching number is four hundred kilometers,
30:08
Speaker 14: and pretty soon the kachin number is going to.
30:10
Speaker 2: Be six hundred kilometers.
30:11
Speaker 14: So they're all looking to advertise a number that's over that.
30:15
Speaker 14: The thing about it is all of this testing is
30:18
Speaker 14: done in the laboratory, and the car industry has actually
30:21
Speaker 14: responded today through the Federal Chamber saying, isn't it a
30:24
Speaker 14: good thing that they're all tested the same way, and
30:27
Speaker 14: that way you can compare until you take it out
30:30
Speaker 14: on the road and then it's nothing like that. So
30:34
Speaker 14: the car companies have been caught out with this sort
30:35
Speaker 14: of stuff, It's not unusual. Combustion cars also rarely live
30:41
Speaker 14: up to their advertised claims. But with the differences with
30:44
Speaker 14: this with an either if you run out of fuel
30:46
Speaker 14: or you're worried about running out of fuel in a
30:48
Speaker 14: combustion car, you pull into a service station. If you're
30:52
Speaker 14: worried about running out of range in electric car, you
30:56
Speaker 14: don't have very many options.
30:59
Speaker 2: You've driven many of these. How severe is range anxiety?
31:03
Speaker 2: Because I would have range anxiety. I mean, I'm one
31:06
Speaker 2: of those guys that when I get the you know,
31:09
Speaker 2: the red light or green lot, whatever light comes on
31:11
Speaker 2: when I'm getting near to an empty tank, I panic.
31:15
Speaker 2: I make sure I get into a petrol station as
31:17
Speaker 2: soon as I can. It must be there must be
31:20
Speaker 2: such a thing as range anxiety, Paul.
31:24
Speaker 14: Range anxiety in Australia is huge, but Steve even worse
31:28
Speaker 14: than range anxiety.
31:29
Speaker 2: Now is charge your anxiety.
31:31
Speaker 14: So even if you know that you're going to you
31:33
Speaker 14: know you're going to run short, is can I find
31:36
Speaker 14: somewhere to actually plug it in? And if I do well,
31:40
Speaker 14: I have to wait there for an hour because somebody
31:41
Speaker 14: else has just plugged in. There's a fast charger near
31:44
Speaker 14: where I live. Three or four times in the last
31:47
Speaker 14: six months I've been down there to charge something up
31:49
Speaker 14: and there's somebody else there. So unlike a petrol station
31:52
Speaker 14: where you might have to wait five minutes while somebody
31:55
Speaker 14: cycles through, you can be there for an hour, and
31:57
Speaker 14: if there are two people ahead of you, you could
31:59
Speaker 14: be there for two two hours. A colleague of mine
32:02
Speaker 14: did the drive from Sydney to Melbourne, not Sydney to Melbourne,
32:05
Speaker 14: Sydney to Queensland, and his actual traveling time was about
32:11
Speaker 14: nine hours in an electric car same day, some conditions
32:15
Speaker 14: twelve and a half hours because they had to stop
32:18
Speaker 14: to recharge.
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Speaker 2: The thing more often. Well, I mean that means you're
32:23
Speaker 2: just simply not going to buy one of these things.
32:25
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much to unpack here. I mean
32:27
Speaker 2: you mentioned that, you know, we might be going from
32:30
Speaker 2: a four hundred k range soon up to six hundred.
32:34
Speaker 2: A lot of that, I think is these Chinese electric vehicles.
32:39
Speaker 2: But what does that then do to the resale value
32:42
Speaker 2: of the car that can only do four hundred?
32:46
Speaker 14: Well, I can tell you we've already seen the resale
32:48
Speaker 14: value for some of the early ones. A thing called
32:51
Speaker 14: the nis and Leaf which was lucky to make two
32:53
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty. They're not worth very much at all,
32:56
Speaker 14: and in fact, there are people putting bigger batteries in
32:59
Speaker 14: them because it's cheap to hang on to them and
33:02
Speaker 14: resuscitate the battery with something with a bit more range.
33:05
Speaker 14: The other thing about this is which is really important
33:09
Speaker 14: with electric car. In a combustion car, you get your
33:11
Speaker 14: best fuel economy cruising at the same constant speed on
33:15
Speaker 14: the highway. In electric car, that's actually just about the
33:19
Speaker 14: worst thing you can do, because they have a thing
33:21
Speaker 14: where when instead of using the brakes to slow down,
33:24
Speaker 14: you lift off and the motor generators recharge the battery.
33:27
Speaker 14: So you actually, in a lot of these cars, get
33:30
Speaker 14: better range and economy out of an electric car driving
33:33
Speaker 14: around town than you do on a highway run. And
33:37
Speaker 14: guess when we're really most suffering from ranging, guydy Steve,
33:40
Speaker 14: that's when you're making a long trip. It's not when
33:42
Speaker 14: you're going down the shops or heading into work for
33:44
Speaker 14: the day.
33:47
Speaker 2: Just finally, paul I spoke to a dealer principle of
33:50
Speaker 2: a big dealership a few weeks ago. He's told his
33:53
Speaker 2: sales staff not to accept trade ins on things like Tesla's,
34:00
Speaker 2: I just don't want to know about it. They can't
34:01
Speaker 2: sell them.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right and the whole So I do this
34:06
Speaker 14: quite regularly. I have a number of dealers I talk to.
34:08
Speaker 14: Some have exactly the same policy. They won't take them
34:11
Speaker 14: as a trade. A lot of them are talking about
34:14
Speaker 14: resale values after two years or less than two years
34:17
Speaker 14: of fifty percent. And it's not just Tesla, which is
34:20
Speaker 14: obviously the exemplar because it's got the biggest sales and
34:23
Speaker 14: the best note, but even something like a Porsche ty
34:26
Speaker 14: can lovely high tech, high performance Porsche fifty percent cut
34:31
Speaker 14: in the resale value after between two and three years.
34:34
Speaker 14: And remember that that's something that's costing you over two
34:36
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty thousand.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's a pain in the backside. Paul Gover, Thanks,
34:42
Speaker 2: it was a great pleasure to catch up with you.
34:44
Speaker 2: Got on your mate. Thanks a lot. Thanks Steve.
34:48
Speaker 15: Well.
34:48
Speaker 2: A great piece in the Daily Telegraph today from the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Liberal MP Rachel Merton. Now Rachel's called
34:55
Speaker 2: for Captain James Cook's cottage to be relocated from the
34:58
Speaker 2: Fitzroy Gardens in Melbourne to Sydney, and she's making the
35:02
Speaker 2: argument that it's no longer respected in Victoria as it
35:05
Speaker 2: isn't and deserves a more appreciative home that honors Captain
35:09
Speaker 2: Cook's legacy. Rachel joins us from New South Wales Parliament. Rachel, welcome.
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Speaker 2: Can I say up front, straight away you can have it.
35:18
Speaker 2: I don't even know why Melbourne has laid claim to
35:20
Speaker 2: Cook's Cottage in the first place. I've done some research today.
35:24
Speaker 2: I'll share it with you in a moment, but give
35:26
Speaker 2: us your argument. Where are you going to put it
35:28
Speaker 2: in Sydney?
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Speaker 15: Yes, thank you, thank you, Steve.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, New South Wales is the home for Cook's Cottage.
35:36
Speaker 16: When we became aware of Melbourne City Council's.
35:41
Speaker 15: The plan or the concerns.
35:42
Speaker 16: They had with Cook's Cottage, it was going to be closed,
35:46
Speaker 16: it was going to be dismantled, and it was New
35:48
Speaker 16: South Wales as ready for Cook's Cottage in the parliament.
35:52
Speaker 15: This is what I'm calling for and really pleased to
35:55
Speaker 15: speak with you on this tonight.
35:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, well more power to you for a start. I
36:01
Speaker 2: mean Captain James Cook, and I've read several great books
36:04
Speaker 2: on what an amazing navigator he was. He was an explorer,
36:09
Speaker 2: he was just a brave man. He looked after his crew.
36:12
Speaker 2: But he turned up on the Australian Coaster at a
36:15
Speaker 2: place called Point Hicks, which is near Malakudah now Malacuter's
36:20
Speaker 2: five hundred kilometers away from Melbourne. Cook never came into
36:24
Speaker 2: Port Phillip Bay, he never came anywhere near the southern capital.
36:28
Speaker 2: And as you know, he ended up in Botany Bay.
36:31
Speaker 2: And I've been to the spot where his boswain stepped
36:34
Speaker 2: off the endeavor and then James Cook himself raised the flag.
36:38
Speaker 2: The cottage does not deserve to be here as well
36:41
Speaker 2: meaning as the very rich Melbourne who got it taken it.
36:45
Speaker 12: Yeah, you need it.
36:46
Speaker 16: Look, it's a critical part of our history. We all know,
36:50
Speaker 16: you know Cook from our school history classes.
36:54
Speaker 15: You know, magnificent.
36:55
Speaker 16: Explorer leader arrived Botany Bay seventeen seven. And we need
37:01
Speaker 16: to mark, we need to mark the beginning of this
37:04
Speaker 16: and with Cook's cottage, this is what we're hoping to do.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a fantastic idea. I mean I had
37:11
Speaker 2: a long agreement with the former Prime Minister Scott Morrison,
37:15
Speaker 2: who of course held the seed of Cook, that every
37:18
Speaker 2: school child, particularly any school child in New South Wales
37:22
Speaker 2: should visit that spot in Botany Bay where the endeavor
37:26
Speaker 2: pulled up and where Cook stepped off. You go there
37:29
Speaker 2: and you have a sense of history about it. Is
37:31
Speaker 2: there any possibility that it could be erected in that
37:35
Speaker 2: park behind that spot or are you suggesting somewhere else.
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Speaker 16: It's for New South Wales, and absolutely that should be considered.
37:44
Speaker 15: And that will be part of it.
37:46
Speaker 16: That would be quite quite quite historic and meaningful, like
37:50
Speaker 16: you say, for our history. And we're going to do
37:54
Speaker 16: all we can to facilitate the relocation of Cook's cottage
37:58
Speaker 16: to New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that would do Rachel hopefully, although
38:03
Speaker 2: I don't have great faith in our education system, but
38:06
Speaker 2: it would reignite debate within schools to teach the history
38:11
Speaker 2: of what actually happened when James Cook came to Australia,
38:14
Speaker 2: not what people say happened and use it as a
38:19
Speaker 2: way to promote dissent and say that there was an invasion,
38:22
Speaker 2: and I mean it was not. I mean Cook and
38:25
Speaker 2: his treatment of native peoples around the globe, including in
38:28
Speaker 2: New Zealand and here in Australia. You couldn't question it
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Speaker 2: on everything I've read.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely a critical part of Australian history. The school kids
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Speaker 16: need to know the real story on this and what
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Speaker 16: an exceptional man Cook was in terms of the explorer,
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Speaker 16: the courage, the leadership, the significance.
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Speaker 15: It's our history and we want to preserve it.
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Speaker 2: Now, most people don't know the history of this brick struck.
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Speaker 2: I mean Cook never actually lived in. It was a
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Speaker 2: cottage that his parents lived in Melbourne. A very wealthy
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Speaker 2: Melbourne businessman decided it would be a good idea to
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Speaker 2: have it taken apart brick by brick, shipped out to
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Speaker 2: Australia and rebuilt in its current position. Now I've lived
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne for ever, I've never been there and most
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Speaker 2: people don't know where it is in the Fitzroy Gardens.
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Speaker 2: It's not really a tourist attraction that catches much attention.
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Speaker 2: And as you say, Rachel, the only attention that gets
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Speaker 2: these days is from people who want to rewrite history
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Speaker 2: and go down there with a spray camp.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, and you're right.
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Speaker 16: It was relocated from Yorkshire in what nineteen thirty four.
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Speaker 16: It was brick by brick and then reassembled in Melbourne
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Speaker 16: thanks to the philanthropy of Russell Grimwaite and we're hoping
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Speaker 16: to relocate Cooks Cottage to New South Wales, calling on
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Speaker 16: that safe level of national pride, patriots for philanthropists that
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Speaker 16: can help.
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Speaker 15: Make that happen. And that's part of what I'm calling
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Speaker 15: for here.
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Speaker 2: Well, the grim Way family, the survivors of Russell Grimwade,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'd be happy to engage in a conversation
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Speaker 2: about that. I think they would prefer to see what
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Speaker 2: their father relocated to Australia was better looked after and
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Speaker 2: better appreciated.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, absolutely, we'd be really proud to do that,
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Speaker 17: to engage the family, to celebrate this, to respect this
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Speaker 17: and New South Wales is the place that we can
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Speaker 17: do this.
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Speaker 2: Rachel, more strengths to you. Thanks for joining us tonight.
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Speaker 15: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, could Donald Trump have a
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Speaker 2: meeting with Vladimir Putin as soon as next week? Plus
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Speaker 2: claims Russia and China are testing the Prime minister, our
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Speaker 2: prime minister's weakness on defense. The panel is next welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Que might be on the edge of a historical meeting.
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Speaker 2: By the sound of it, there's some late breaking news
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Speaker 2: on this idea that Donald Trump might be able to
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Speaker 2: get together a meeting with Vladimir Putin as early as
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Speaker 2: next week, and that would include Vladimir Lynsky. Apparently Trump's
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Speaker 2: Special ENVOYE. Steve Witkoff has been there joined me now
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Speaker 2: to discuss this more. Sky News contributor Kosher Gata and
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Speaker 2: past year of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee and
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin regular Michael Danby Michael, there seems to be
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Speaker 2: some optimistic view that this meeting might take place. I mean,
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Speaker 2: when you think about the history of this where Zelinski
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Speaker 2: went to is Dan Bull and Putin didn't even turn up.
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Speaker 2: How confident are you that Donald Trump might be able
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Speaker 2: to pull this off?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's great that the Russians apparently made
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Speaker 7: positive sounds after Witkoff left. If this happens, it'll be
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Speaker 7: a great victory for the President's determination to resupply the
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Speaker 7: Ukrainians with military equipment and to put sanctions on people
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Speaker 7: that buy Russian oil. Vladimir, you better not let the
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Speaker 7: Donald down, because he doesn't like being double crossed. It'd
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Speaker 7: be great if they get this meeting. It'd have to
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Speaker 7: mean a ceasefire in place, and Ukrainian citizens all across
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Speaker 7: that vast country wouldn't be being killed by Russian missiles
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Speaker 7: every night, and the Russians would get sanctions relief from
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Speaker 7: the United States. So it's positive. But let's hope there's
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Speaker 7: no KGB trickery from that old KGB spinmeister of Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 2: Koch I was listening watching Sky today and there was
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Speaker 2: the Ukrainian ambassador to Australia talking about how just last
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Speaker 2: night a Russian missile hit an apartment block in Kiev,
42:54
Speaker 2: thirty two people dead. We don't even hear about that
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Speaker 2: very much anymore. This would be outside standing. How if
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Speaker 2: Trump pulls this off, how is that going to do?
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Speaker 2: How's history going to see him if he pulls this off?
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Speaker 18: I think, you know, he's been nominated now for the
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Speaker 18: Peace Prize by various people. Some people joke about that,
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Speaker 18: but I really think that these are all brick by
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Speaker 18: brick He is building towards trying to reduce or minimize
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Speaker 18: or mitigate these conflicts.
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Speaker 12: We do have a long way to go.
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Speaker 18: While the signals coming out of Russia are positive after
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Speaker 18: see what COF's meeting yesterday, the fundamentals remain very very difficult.
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Speaker 18: Obviously on the Ukrainian side, they want more security guarantees,
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Speaker 18: which Trump has been reluctant to do. The base does
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Speaker 18: not support that too much back home, and then on
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Speaker 18: the Russian side, they are saying they do not want
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Speaker 18: to give in to any concessions, territorial gains and all
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Speaker 18: of that as well, which is another sticking point.
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Speaker 12: So we'll see how that goes. There's still a lot
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Speaker 12: of wood to chop.
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Speaker 18: But if anybody can broker a peace deal, it is Trump.
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Speaker 18: He's aware that the clock is ticking and if he
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Speaker 18: can pull this off, he will. History will judge him
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Speaker 18: favorably for the here.
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Speaker 2: On that, Michael, I mean, Trump will get the kutos.
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Speaker 2: But obviously this w cough bloke is a hell of
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Speaker 2: a negotiator. I mean Trump hired him, put him in
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Speaker 2: his executive and send him off around the world to
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Speaker 2: try and solve some of the world's worst problems. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's the guy that perhaps should be getting the Nobel
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Speaker 2: Peace Prize rather than the President.
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Speaker 7: I think he's very much a real estate mate of
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Speaker 7: the presidents from New York. He's apparently a tough talker.
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Speaker 7: His first visits to meet Putin and in Russia are
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Speaker 7: a bit embarrassing actually got the names of all of
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Speaker 7: the places in Ukraine and Western Russia wrong. But anyhow,
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Speaker 7: whatever it takes, as long as the Ukrainian people are
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Speaker 7: not being killed every night in their homes and the
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Speaker 7: casualties at the front cease. There's actually a plan for
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Speaker 7: a ceasefire in place, which means the Russians get to
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Speaker 7: keep the ruined part of the don Bas, Luhansk and
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Speaker 7: Donetsk that they've conquered, but they don't get any more.
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Speaker 7: They don't get the rest of those provinces, but the
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Speaker 7: killing stops. So that's what President Trump's been on about.
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Speaker 7: Whatever you think about the bloke, if he does this,
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Speaker 7: it's fantastic, And many of the other things he's been
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Speaker 7: doing around the world in international affairs shows that he's
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Speaker 7: got more realism now than he had in the beginning,
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Speaker 7: and he's using American power peace with strength.
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Speaker 2: COAJIM. It makes the idea of a meeting between Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanesi and the President probably further down the track than ever.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hastey has warned about that. I mean he thinks
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Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister you probably doesn't want to sit
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Speaker 2: down face to face with Donald Trump yet because you know,
45:44
Speaker 2: Trump's a formidable figure. The UN meeting is going to
45:48
Speaker 2: be crucial to that. When it happens in September, that
45:51
Speaker 2: would appear to be Anthony Albanesi's best chance of getting
45:55
Speaker 2: into the year of Donald Trump, it would appear.
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Speaker 18: So he's certainly the Prime Minister is not coming across
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Speaker 18: as somebody who is grabbing the bull by the horns
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Speaker 18: and trying to get out front with getting securing a
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Speaker 18: meeting and really negotiating terms, whether they be on the trade,
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Speaker 18: whether they be on military cooperation, etc. But yes, I
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Speaker 18: think you're right, Steve, that meeting with the Australian Prime
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Speaker 18: Minister is probably quite far down on the pecking order
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Speaker 18: for all the other bigger fish to fry the Trump
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Speaker 18: has right now. But the position of Australia is still
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Speaker 18: interesting and will always be interesting to the United States
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Speaker 18: because of the proximity to China. You saw these joint
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Speaker 18: exercises that Russia and China did that is no coincidence
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Speaker 18: with the backdrop of the peace negotiations that we just
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Speaker 18: talked about. So there is a role to play here
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Speaker 18: that I think Australia uniquely can fulfill and the sooner
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Speaker 18: the Prime minister tries to get on the front foot.
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Speaker 12: I think the better for everybody.
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Speaker 2: Marco, You've got a passionate interest in Israel. Prime Minister
46:52
Speaker 2: Benjamin Nett Yahoo pushing for full occupation of Gaza, and
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Speaker 2: according to reports, Israel's security Cabinet is set to approve
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Speaker 2: that plan. That's not going to look good. No, it's not.
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Speaker 2: There left with a very difficult choice.
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Speaker 7: We were so close to getting a ceasefire two weeks
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Speaker 7: ago until those bozos Wong, Starmer and Macron called for
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Speaker 7: an unconditional ceasefire and it meant that Harmas just stiffened
47:17
Speaker 7: its terms and walked away.
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Speaker 2: So the Israelis are left there.
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Speaker 7: They can't abandon Hamas and abandon the hostages, as Penny
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Speaker 7: Wong suggested, but they're left with occupying Gaza or the
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Speaker 7: chief of staff wants to surround some of those areas
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Speaker 7: rather than actually go in. But it's a very difficult dilemma,
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Speaker 7: and the international media campaign against them has been absolutely successful,
47:44
Speaker 7: as we've seen by the huge number of people that
47:46
Speaker 7: were on the bridge.
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Speaker 2: Kosher. The Donald's been asked about who's luckily to replace
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Speaker 2: him as the Republican nominee for twenty twenty eight, he's
47:54
Speaker 2: apparently talked about Marco Rubio. How do you rate that
47:59
Speaker 2: versus perhaps JD.
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Speaker 12: Vans? It is so early to say, Steve.
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Speaker 18: As we know, a week is a lifetime in politics,
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Speaker 18: and we've got three years to go here, so we've
48:09
Speaker 18: got thousands of twists and turns left to go. But
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Speaker 18: Marco Rubio, he is interesting because he originally was not
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Speaker 18: the most pro populist, pro maga. When Trump first broke
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Speaker 18: out onto the political scene, he was an ally, but
48:21
Speaker 18: he still was seen as sort of from the establishment wing.
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Speaker 18: And he seems to have really come around and embraced
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Speaker 18: this platform. So I think he's a rising star. But
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Speaker 18: right now Jdvan seems to be in pole position.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, long way ago. Kasha Michael, great to see you
48:35
Speaker 2: as usual. I'll be back Tomorrown Nott six o' club.
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Speaker 2: He's Andrew