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#201 - Ben Shapiro vs. Nick Fuentes: Must We Pick a Side? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  So with Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes,
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  do we have to pick a side between these two individuals,
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  between these two ideologies, because they are coming at from what they are
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  the extremes on both positions of whether you support Israel or whether you are opposed to Israel.
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  And I want to start it off before we dive into this, and we're going to take
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  a look at a clip from Megan Kelly when she sat down with Ben Shapiro and they
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  discussed these things about Tucker bringing Nick Fuentes on and all that went into that.
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  But I would like to start it off with, I don't think that we need to be,
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  we have to choose one side or the other.
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  I think we can take a nuanced position. And I think that is the best way that
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  we are going to come out of this.
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  Because in every stage of life, in every arena of life that you find yourself
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  in, everybody, you have to be on a team.
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  And maybe we survive as a team. There's that team mentality.
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  Whereas I think that we can take the good and remove the bad.
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  I don't think we have to be wholesale bought into one side or the other because
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  I think that is when you're going to fall into the traps of...
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  Of the where they miss where they where they misstep and
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  I think that is a bit I think we need to be very nuanced and
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  uh and approaching these things but let's take a look at this this is
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  Ben Shapiro was very critical of how Tucker
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  approached the whole Nick Fuentes interview that he did a couple weeks ago and
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  Megan Kelly was was almost defending Tucker in this and I think there's good
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  with that as well but Ben is coming at it it seems like with the he seems like
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  he is the mouthpiece for Israel right now.
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  That's where it seems that we're at. When he is speaking, I think he is losing
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  a lot of credibility because he is so diehard.
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  We're getting his opinion a lot of the times because I think he is just a spokesman.
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  He has taken orders from his country, Israel. Let's take a look at this.
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  If you want to put a bumper up on Nick Fuentes,
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  helpful to say you're fucking vile. You're an anti-Semite. Yes.
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  No, it isn't. Yes, it doesn't put up. Yes.
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  No, it isn't. That makes the audience feel good because you have hand to hand
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  combat, but it doesn't help change that guy's view or his extreme, his extremeness at all.
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  OK, I'll tell you what doesn't change Nick Fuentes's view.
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  Tucker Carlson with his arm around Nick Fuentes grinning for the camera while
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  Nick Fuentes tweets out America first and then triumphantly goes on the air
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  the next day to explain that he has essentially used Tucker Carlson as a vehicle
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  for manipulating other people.
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  Okay, that's what Nick Fuentes is saying. Not me, Nick Fuentes.
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  Okay, and Nick Fuentes, and by the way, I will again say that Tucker Carlson,
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  when you say to somebody in an interview, do you condemn anti-Semitism?
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  And then the person says, sure, which is what Nick Fuentes said.
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  He said, I'm not an anti-Semitic, which is blatantly untrue.
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  A responsible journalist would then follow up demonstrating that that is false.
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  Tucker did not do that. He allowed him to get away with that.
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  And then he allowed him to talk about,
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  quote-unquote organized a jury followed by nick
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  flantes being treated to a disquisition by tucker carlson
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  about why christian zionists of all human beings on earth are
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  the people that he hates the most whether nick is
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  an anti-semit because it's just another way of saying it's racism if you're
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  a racist because you you think of jews like they've like like zoned in specifically
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  to that nationality to that ethnicity and they've made it into anti-semitism
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  which is terrible i mean i think We have different ethnicities.
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  We come from different cultures. We're not the same.
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  Nobody's the exact same as everyone else. And you prefer maybe one as opposed
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  to the other. But you understand that we're all of equal value.
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  And I say prefer one as opposed to the other. There are things that you don't
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  like that one culture brings as opposed to another culture.
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  And I think to just close our eyes to that is stupid. But it doesn't mean that
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  you don't value that person as a child of God.
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  You know, you don't like throw that out.
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  Ben's talking about like anti-Semitism and calling Nick that and saying that he is that.
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  I don't think Nick is very nuanced about this as well. He doesn't just go into
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  and just he says that he loves everyone.
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  He likes everyone. But he is very harsh and critical on the Jewish people because
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  he believes that they have such a foothold on American way of life.
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  I think Nick sees everything through like that is like the the prism that he views everything.
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  The Jews are behind everything. The Jews are controlling everything.
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  They're pulling the strings.
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  I think that he's right and correct about a lot of the things that he is espousing
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  about the Jewish people because they have such a foothold.
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  And I'm a person that I'm a Christian and I support the nation of Israel from
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  a biblical perspective, from a biblical perspective.
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  And I think that we have to do that.
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  I think that we should do that and that we're closing our eyes to their uniqueness if we don't.
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  But that's not to say that they are perfect. The Jewish people are not perfect.
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  And if you are not touting, if you are not diehard and you're not saying everything
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  perfectly in line with you, they will cast you out.
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  Because I'm not going to please the people on Israel's side.
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  I'm not going to please Ben Shapiro.
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  I know I won't because I won't be able, I'm not going to bow the knee completely
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  and say you are, everything you do is correct.
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  Everything that Israel does is perfect. But I also know on Nick Fuentes'
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  side and the crew, the following that he has, I'm not going to please everyone
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  on their side because I think that we have to be very nuanced about this.
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  I don't think that everything that Israel does, that they're terrible.
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  And this is the new based movement. If you're criticizing Israel, you're cool now.
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  Because it's recognized in a true reality that they are pulling a lot of strings.
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  They are having, they they've been involved and have their hands in so many
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  things in our way of life that it's just, it's, it's too entangled with everything.
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  It like reaches in, it goes into the far recesses of all of our American way
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  of life to the, the highest political structures that are out there.
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  So I know on both sides, on Israel's side, I'm,
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  And if you're out there, if you're a person that's out there and you recognize
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  this, I mean, it feels like we are,
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  we're going to be like fewer and fewer that are going to go along this narrow
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  path of saying, it's like, cause you're almost being forced to,
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  I'm going to have to pick a side.
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  Israel is terrible. And they're the worst thing on this planet.
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  Or, you know, I, I bleed blue and white. I'm, I'm, I die.
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  I would die for Israel. I would like, they are, they are nothing they do is
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  bad at all. I see everything that they're, they're doing everything perfect
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  in on both sides, they're going to criticize you.
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  And on both sides, they're going to like tear you apart.
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  And it's like, I think that we can understand that we can have a bigger mind
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  and we don't have to buy into this whole team structure. And I,
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  I see so many times there, people keep saying that Nick is right about Israel
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  and that's being put out there.
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  And he is, he is telling people to say that. And I think he is right on a lot
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  of things about them, but he's starting from a rocky foundation and he's been
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  hurt so much by Israel and the whole,
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  like that assassination on his life and his career from them because they have silenced him.
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  They're not letting anyone talk about him. And if you talk about him,
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  they're painting you and putting you in a box. Like me even saying this,
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  if I'm not like saying everything Israel does is perfect, I have no chance. And I understand that.
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  But I also know on Nick's side, maybe there's a little bit more grace,
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  I feel like on Nick's side, because maybe we can talk about this a little bit.
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  We can actually get into it. On the Israel side, they're just saying you can't
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  speak of this whatsoever.
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  I want to just wrap this up with a little bit more of what Ben says,
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  because I think it's very interesting what he brings up.
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  He took that back. You can't take that back.
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  How do you take that back? He did. How? Then he should explain why it was wrong.
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  He should explain why Christians and Zionists are actually wonderful people.
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  Tucker is very quick to self-flagellate.
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  And he went on with Dave Smith the next day, the next week, whatever,
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  Monday, Tuesday, this week, and said, that was stupid. I didn't mean that.
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  He said, I'm angry at people like Lindsey Graham.
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  I'm angry at people like Ted Cruz because he thinks they run headfirst in these
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  conflicts and they don't think about what's going to happen to American kids.
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  If we're talking about firing inside the tent, whatever you think Lindsey Graham,
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  okay, and I'm not a huge Lindsey Graham fan, he votes with the president of
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  the United States 100% of the time, and Tucker spent yesterday's show excoriating
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  him as a psychosexual death worshiper.
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  Does that sound like firing outside the tent?
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  I can't, it's hard, because I like Ben, I like Nick, I like a lot of these people.
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  And that's the thing, just saying you like someone, they have good points.
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  Ben was the hero of conservative movement for the longest time,
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  and people recognize that.
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  He was, he advanced it. He was like Charlie Kirk before Charlie Kirk was there,
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  but now things are coming to light and he's like digging himself into a corner.
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  He's putting himself into a corner now that is different than anyone else because
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  I feel like he is controlled so much by Israel.
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  He's taking orders from them. And you could say he's always been like this.
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  Nick has just daylighted it.
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  And now Ben is just even more so. I don't think we can take what he says now.
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  Seriously at times, like there's still a lot of good that he's doing,
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  but, but I'm still of the, of the mind that we do not have to just say,
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  I, I'm choosing this side or that side.
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  I'm not, I'm, I'm all in on this side or that side, because if we,
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  if we put ourselves in that way and we don't just discuss these things,
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  we're going to, we're going to like fall to the, like the lowest common denominator.
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  We're not going to be better. We're not going to, the, the best ideas aren't going to move forward.
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  It becomes this whole Republican versus Democrat.
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  That is just, it's nonsense.
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  Everybody should move to the independent mind. If you want to say it's America
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  first, if that could be the movement, I'm like, you know, and I've heard Elon
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  want to talk about starting an America party.
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  You know, we need to consolidate, you know, consolidate and have a freedom of
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  thought, freedom of speech. Christ is king.
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  That should be our mindset. You know, This is what Nick puts out there,
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  but it's become so touchy-feely.
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  If you say anything wrong, if you go against at all, if you're not lockstep
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  completely, then you're out.
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  You know, I think I still do see that on the groy per side with Nick Fuentes
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  and this whole movement that is happening. This is what is going to win.
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  This is what is Nick's side is going to win this and he is going to become more
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  and more mainstream. He is not going to stop.
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  This is what is coming. And I think within his movement, there should be freedom of thought.
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  We don't have to say Israel is terrible about everything. If you're saying that,
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  you're just closing your eyes and you're just buying in hook,
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  line, and sinker to all of this.
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  There is a lot of good within Israel. There is a lot of good within Israel.
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  And they would have a lot more. You would have a lot more freedom.
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  You would much rather go and live in Israel than a lot of the other surrounding
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  nations that are over there.
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  I'm guessing. I'm guessing. Because you would have a lot more freedom.
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  It would be a lot more close to our way of life, our American way of life.
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  So if you're out there, if you think that you have to pick one side or the other,
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  I'd love to hear it. Drop a comment. Let me know what you think.
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