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From Pews to Production Music (with Jeff Hargrove) · 52 Cues - A Production Music and Sync Podcast

• 0:30
  Speaker 1: I used to take it so personally and get my feelings hurt and all this stuff, man, and really you can write more great music, like I used to think oh you wrote this track and it's amazing.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Well, if you wrote that, you can write another one.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: And so the value of feedback.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's critical.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: Learning how to take it for what it is, it's critical.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I learned, man, it's like that your what you think is your ugly baby can make you money.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: What is happening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the 52 Q's podcast, your weekly insight into all things production and library music.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: Whether you're simply curious about the sync industry, or maybe you're ready to pitch to publishers, I promise you you are in the right place.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: My name is Dave Croft and it is so good to be with you today.
• 1:34
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• 1:40
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• 1:46
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• 2:09
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• 2:17
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• 2:22
  Speaker 2: So we are wrapping up week 12 here at 52 Q's.
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: How has my week been going Well.
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: I've been working on a series of cues for an upcoming golf documentary and it's one of those things where I did 11 cues and I thought I was done and I needed to be done because I've got other projects I've got to work on and, to be honest, I was feeling a little kind of creatively empty.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: But then the publisher sent off our cues up to the client and the client really liked the last one I did, to the point where he wanted one more.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: So the client, the producer of this documentary, wanted one more in that vein and I had already mentally kind of moved on to this other, the other things that I have to do, and my initial reaction was to get a little grumpy about it, like no, I'm empty, I'm done, I'm ready to move on.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Surely this is enough.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: But I was kind of struck with the like.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: I floated out of my body for a moment and looked at Dave and said what are you doing?
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: You have a client who wants more of what you have, you know, and they're paying for it.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: So even though this 12th cue wasn't in my time budget and even though I had already mentally moved on to what was next, I had to remind myself that this is pretty great that we get to do this, and so it did mean that, like I was up until last night, until midnight last night, finishing up these deliverables, I'm very happy with the cue and I imagine we'll play that cue next week.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: I turned it around super fast, but how can I complain about a library wanting more of my music?
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: And so that was just a little shot of perspective that I needed, that, even though it was outside of what I thought was going to happen.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: Keeping, keeping some perspective and how often this is this is kind of a privilege that we get to do this and I get to, you know, get paid to make music for folks who are going to put it on TV, and so I know many of you are at different parts of your career.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: But but that was a little little perspective nugget for me and maybe you can relate to that.
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: It's not all.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: It doesn't always go to plan and sometimes things get rejected, but every now and then you get somebody who just wants more of you, and so open yourself up to that, be available, be open and be willing to do the things that are outside of what you thought you were going to do, and how can you complain about that?
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: How can you complain about that?
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: So that was my week 12.
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: And it's going great, and again you'll hear that cue next week.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: The cue that I want to talk about this week, my week 11 cue, is a cue called keep calm and caddy on, which is a play on the, the UK saying keep calm and carry on, and it's also for the golf documentary, and this is an uplifting tasking cue.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: Now, tasking, if you're not familiar with tasking cues, these are the types of cues that get used in mostly unscripted TV, where they're either montages or characters are assembling things, doing a lot of things, and there's not usually, there's not a ton of dialogue, and it's just kind of assembling things, putting things together, kind of solving problems, and but tasking is not necessarily in the tension.
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: It's like not like darker or ominous or deep tension, it's more on the lighter side of things, and so tasking means a lot of pulsing sounds, a lot of a lot of delays or arpeggiators.
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: And so this is keep calm and caddy on and features an instrument that I made from scratch.
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: My ukulele was hanging behind me and I took my little zoom recorder here and I just held up the recorder to it and just went bling, bong, bong, bong, just sampled the instrument, did a few passes and, in logic, made my own little sampler instrument and so I have dubbed it the Lute Lele, because it kind of sounds like a lute.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: But let's take a listen to Keep Calm and Caddy On 立.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: So that was Keep Calm and Caddy on.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: And for you, friends and family members, subscribers of 52Qs, you can check out a complete cue breakdown of this cue where I not only show you a little bit behind the scenes for the Luta Laylee and creating that, but also form, structure, mix and all of the other instruments that go along with that.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: Today, today's topic, I am welcoming back to the podcast Mr Jeff Hargrove, who not only has started his own YouTube channel with fantastic behind the scenes looks at his process, but also, as a Cubase user, he gives a different perspective.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: So thanks for watching and I'll see you guys in the next one.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Jeff is a very busy guy.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: He is a music director and also getting more and more traction in the production music space and he's absolutely a success story here at 52Q.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: So I am thrilled to welcome back to the podcast Mr Jeff Hargrove.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: I am so thrilled to welcome back to the 52Q's podcast Mr Blessed Boy himself, jeff Hargrove.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: What is good, jeff.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: It is so good to see you again.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: What's up, dave?
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Always good to hang out, brother, so I appreciate you having me here, man.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: Always so much laughter.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: We've all we've been.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: We've been chopping it up here before we started, and it's always really good.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: Yes sir.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: And I definitely wanted to bring you back Because we'll have a link to this, to this episode.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: We first had you on to the podcast I think it was September 15th of 2022, which was just last year.
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: But like looking at like your video from now, versus like looking at my video and then going back in time you know it's always a process we were amazed.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Oh man, it was like out of sync.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't know we had to be in the prom.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: And it was all on my end, guys.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: So you know, look, I go back and look at old videos before I got into like getting a beard trim lights.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: I look like a wild man, Like I don't like a completely feral person.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: It is amazing.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: But that's it, man.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, with time, with experience, you know these things change.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: But you got one thing I love and you said this like very early on, man.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: You said just start, you know.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: And you just got to start somewhere, man, and then, you know, things fall into place as you go.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to be perfect, you just have to get going.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: There you go, you don't have to get it right, you just have to get it going and so, yeah, and you just gradually build over time, and isn't that?
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: That's just a picture of being a creative person anyway, whether it's making YouTube videos or being a composer?
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: You know, if you wait to start your journey until you have the perfect studio and the perfect headphones and the perfect this, and you'll never get started.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: You won't start, man, you will not start.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm so happy I did because I used to be that guy.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: I used to be that guy.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: No, I'm away soon as I get this when I do that.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: No.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: And then at some point I was like, look man, just go, just go for it.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah because if, like, the reason we're talking YouTube channel is since we had you on last, you've started your own YouTube channel, which I have subscribed to you are an every notification bell.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Right, there's a whole handful of people.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: It's like you and Marlon Gibbons right Now I'm going to watch your videos and seeing those, so so tell us a little bit about what will come back to the YouTube channel.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: Ok, I want to talk about what's been happening in the last year, because I feel like things have just really blown up for you.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: It's been a good year, man.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: It's been, you know, a pretty productive year.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: You know there's been a lot of, as you know, a lot of groundwork, man, a lot of writing, a lot of putting irons in the fire, but, man, it's been a really good year.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Besides, you know, getting some really nice placements on CBS Sports, I got actually a couple of feature placements, opening teasers, which is, you know, pretty cool.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: I've signed on with a few more libraries, probably three more libraries, but one in a significant way.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I've signed about I think, 40 tracks with them and they release five song albums, which is a little different, but I've released three albums with them so far.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: Already started getting some play on NBA TV, which is really really cool, so I'm excited about that.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: And I have like a hip hop dramedy album that just dropped with them.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: I have a some other I don't know reality TV album that dropped.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: So that's been great, man.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: And then I'm working on a couple of other albums that I'm working on for another library actually.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: So that would be I don't know four or whatever.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm super excited about this because this is a brother and sister album, if you will, I guess Heroes and Villains.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, the Heroes and Villains, and I'm psyched man, I'm psyched because it's, like you know, orchestral in nature, orchestral hybrid, which is really a passion of mine, and I get to kind of stretch out a little bit and it's been crazy, but I'm on track number 10.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try the Hero's album.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I have been loving every one of those because you've been bringing them into the weekly feedback sessions for the family group and it's been amazing hearing those.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that it's been absolutely amazing and how each one is a different facet.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: You know from just last week.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: You know one was a little darker and by the time we've heard like seven other cues a dark one is a nice change of pace and I remember that first one, the first one you sent like.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Here's my first Hero theme and we're all like I think you start as a villain.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Villain theme.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: It's a dark Hero, that's right.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: An anti-hero, anti-hero, yeah, and to your point, man, yeah, I think the way that I've been approaching the album is kind of like I'm thinking of characters, so I'm writing kind of a character each time and you know, you got different types of heroes, different personalities, whatever.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: So hopefully, you know, man, when it's all said and done, it will feel like at least a cohesive work.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: That's right, john Wick is a different type of hero than Captain America, absolutely, and so he's going to get a different theme, exactly.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: But that's been really great and, if I can just say, I'm super proud of you, man, and I'm really honored just to have played a small role in your journey, because, you know, I remember, I remember when you came on board, I think I played one of your cues during your cue breakdown.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: You did, man, this is amazing, you did.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: And you jumped all in with the mastermind and into the group and everything and we featured your cue last year because you had won our Christmas in July.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: And that cue was published last year and it was also and I don't even know, this might be new information for you, but the Christmas cues we wrote this year, your cue from last year, was added to that album and that album is getting released.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Oh cool.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And so I hope to be putting it out into Spotify and pitching it up to CBS and so as a full album.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So I know your cue is going to get into their ears again, but that was relatively early in your Very early man and not as a musician.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: You're a super successful music director and keyboard player, but this was early on your production music journey right Very early, man.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It was early on, and I have to say it's day, because if you don't know Dave, he's so modest, he's like I played a teeny, weeny roll.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you guys, the jumpstart to my career is 52 cues, and Dave has been so instrumental in getting my career launched, and not only that, but I mean just the time and the care to help me along the way.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, this is what you need to do.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Consider this, do that, what do you need?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I just work on this and, like he said, the mastermind class and private sessions, but it's above and beyond all that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: So I just want to say, man, huge You're going to embarrass me, man.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you, brother.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: No, because Dave is not going to listen.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Dude is like, yeah, super instrumental.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I tell him all the time he doesn't like it, but you know, I hit him.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like yo, dave, you are still my mentor, dude.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: He's like yep.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: And well, and I say a small part because it's you, man, it's like I can point you to all of these directions and I can sherpa you up the mountain, but you're the one carrying the gear, you're the one putting one foot in front of the other, you're the one doing the reps and doing the work, and so you know, when Sir Edmund Hillary crested Mount Everest, he had a sherpa right.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That wasn't a solo trip, but we remember Sir Edmund Hillary, but we don't remember Sherpa's name, but that's fine.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: That's totally fine.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Well for me.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that I give due respect man because I think it's important that you always acknowledge those that help you along the way.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Man, it's critical.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So again, just a big thank you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, and you're doing the work and you are a part, like if I could have you bronzed and made a statue of Jeff, like every time somebody comes in and wants you know mentoring, and wants coaching and all of that stuff.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It is a picture of what the career kind of looks like.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: You know, and, like I said, you're bringing a lot of musicianship to the table, which, for some folks, you know, are different levels of experience on the keyboard or whatever, and so that's that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: That accounts for something, but the trajectory of your career you're about a year into it, you're doing the reps, you're putting in the work, and so it's absolutely zero surprise that you are starting to find success.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: My question for you, though, is you're starting to hit like the two to three year doldrums, right when you've had a little bit of success.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You've put a couple of years like on the engine, right A couple of miles on the engine, and you're not seeing the big royalties yet.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: You're not seeing the giant placement.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: The snowball is still, you know, it's the size of a basketball, it's not a pebble, but it's still not the boulder that you need it to be.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: How are you managing that, this kind of this two to three year lull, where, where, where you haven't gotten the payoff for all of the work you've put in yet?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: It's actually quite easy for me to manage because, going in and again because of things that I've heard from you and other production music composers, in my mind I said, hey, I 'm going in with a five year plan, so I'm going in and at the end of five years I'm hoping to be at a point just where, you know, I have consistent royalties, I have consistent placements.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So right now, for me I feel like I'm still in the building stage.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I'm still in the come on.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Man, it's the grind, it's the, you know, get the cues out there, build your you know your cues up and all that good stuff.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It is cool and I'm still learning because you know, like you know, I hit, you know, you and Rob, about the one of the CBS placements from like January.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like fellas, I ain't seen a Q sheet.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Right, what's going on?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Guys?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And you know, and again, again, you guys taking the time hey, this is the way it works.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You know it takes time, so it's all good, and not from the standpoint of, oh, I want to see that royalty, but just from the standpoint of, hey, you know, is everything happening the way it's supposed to shoot?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: When should I see a Q sheet?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: You know those types of things, so I'm good man.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's a five year plan for me.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I am looking at this as a second career, so of course, I still work in the gospel music industry as my main career.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking, I'm building towards something, if you will.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm good.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: So so you're able, you're not, you haven't like taken out a giant loan, or you're not like tapping into your savings and like everything rides on this which you know I'm kind of in the same boat.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You know I have a full time job, I teach at full sale, we have the 52 Qs community and everything, and so you know that does kind of alleviate some of the financial pressure but that could also kind of there's no greater motivator than then I'm fixing to bounce a rent check right Now.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: You're right about that, brother.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: But I just your positivity, your outlook, having that five year plan, I think is vital, it's absolutely vital.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And some folks, you know, when you tell them on the front end, you know, hey, it's going to be like five years and you're going to have to have hundreds of Qs, you know, bouncing around the system it can be a little shocking, you know, because if you think like an artist, it's like make an album, like release an album, go tour and all of that stuff Right, and you're not going to see a big return until your 500 Qs into this, yeah, and yeah, that's the way I look at it, man.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So I look, I'm so I'm getting up to around that 100 Q mark, you know, and I'm like okay, and still with albums to come.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: So I feel like I'm on a decent pace, you know, right now, Now tell us.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I know how we got connected with Rob and getting up on CBS, but tell us about your path to some of these other libraries.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, a couple of different paths, man.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So the one library that I mentioned that I signed about 30 plus Qs from this is so interesting.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: So actually that came through taxi and I actually decided at the end of this year, because I haven't done it in a while, I'm going to go ahead and let taxi know about some of the different things that have happened?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely want to hear man.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: But the funny thing is and this is so funny, so I am had written a cue and I believe it's actually the cue they got.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: They got the feature placement on cds, but I had, before I had pitched it to you guys, it was something on taxi.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So I've done some brief or something.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Seven months later, this library hits me up and it's like hey man, love this cue, would like to sign a sorry, fellas is gone, but I, I have something else.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You know, you want something like oh, we love it, can you write an album for us?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And then they like the music and they were like hey man, what else do you have?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And I'll say this to composers it's, it's good to write and to continue to write, because I actually had cues that I've already written and I sent them to oh.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So I sent them a ton and they selected about 30 or whatever that they liked.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, hey, we want to sign.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: All these will file somehow.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Excellent.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So that was through taxi.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I had another Couple of cues assigned to a library through taxi as well, and then another library through taxi and then the library that I'm writing the superhero and villain album for connection through 52 cues.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And it was.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: You had a guest on it might have been a little bit of the workshops, wasn't it?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the workshops.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So this is why this stuff is so crucially, it was a workshop.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He liked one of my cues.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I reached out to him and it started from there.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I reached out to them some other stuff, and here we go, yeah and if memory serves me, it was during the workshop.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: He was kind of like ooh, I'd love to hear more from you, and that's.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: That's not necessarily even the point of the work right but that's it helps.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's how relationships happen, and so I'm here for that, and yeah, that's so freaking cool yeah, so cool, yeah so cool and I again, and you guys, I'm gonna, I'm gonna sound like a broken record.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I did not ask you to say and they did not, but I, I'm passionate about 52 cues.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I love 52 cues that the members I mean.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I've established so many Relationships with different composers.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: There's so many opportunities to grow and move your career forward.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying y'all, you know, if they, even Shannon, ever do like a 52 cues, like commercial or something, I'm that dude like, I'm gonna be in there.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you do.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You do feature pretty prominently in the mastermind, the mastermind ad spot.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Oh cool.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So I appreciate that man, yeah, and that's, that's how it works.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Again, that's like you are the, the, the.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: If we were to look up, like in a dictionary, how to do this, you're doing it, you are smack in the middle of doing it and I just know, man, you know, when I say the universe has amazing plans for you, I firmly believe that the universe has amazing plans for you, jeff, because because you're doing, you're doing the work.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Another aspect that I've enjoyed, yeah, is what we were talking about earlier, which is your YouTube channel.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: So talk about that now you, you've got a full-time job, right?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: You're a music director.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You play.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Every Sunday, it is it's Christmas, which is like Super Bowl season for churches, right, like multiple services, candlelight and Christmas Eve and all of this stuff.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: As we are recording this, this airs on the long side, on the other side of Christmas.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: So I hope it went well.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But in all of your free time, you decided to kick up a YouTube channel.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, and that was another one of those just do-it-things cuz, let me tell you, dude, I was like terrified.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I was like first of all, look at Dave's setup.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So I'm like you know, this dude's got light cameras, action Colors by, you know, jonas Friedman.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I mean you look at channels like that and you're like I'm not gonna know.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: But I said, I feel like I have a voice, I have something to offer.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And to Dave's point, I'm just gonna start.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And, man, you know, it's still a learn, cuz I'm about 10 months in now, but I think it's going pretty well.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm up to about 300 subs, you know, which is cool.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And just the fact that, because my desire, just like you, having a teaching background I studied music education In college.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: You know I run a music department.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I've always had a heart for teaching.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I teach my choir, musicians, etc.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So my thing was like how can I share my experiences, how can I share my process and, at the same time, encourage like Composers who are, you know, trying to get into this thing?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Man, cuz I remember for me, dude, out my head with like spinning when I first tried to get into, even though I was a musician and I could write and all that man trying to get a production music.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I would hear stuff and be like I don't, how do they do that?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So I was like anything that I can do to kind of help in that process.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Man, I love it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: My channel I really kind of focus on really trying to break down my cues, get inside of how you know I do it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: This is how I write it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: You know, this cue had just because of X or Y and and that's it, man, and I'm digging it man, I, I love your channel for several different reasons.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: First of all, I like kind of how, like this is super polished and slick and every you know, every few months I had a new the light or something, and which is fine.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It's fine, but there's also something to be said about just a guy in the studio being super real, and so there's an authenticity to your YouTube videos that I really like.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I also like that you do come from the gospel break background.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It's an entirely different perspective from my, my background or our guy Mitchell Moore's yeah, background, or Eric or Jesse or any of the other guys who are in this space, even Clint, you know he comes from Like a hip-hop right more and, if memory serves me, you hadn't really Written hip-hop before that, before the Christmas queue, and I was terrified and Then I was not gonna do it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm not doing it, I don't know how to write hip-hop, I'm not gonna do it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And again I said, you know I mean, what can I lose?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, let me just try it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: mean, Let me just try it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And I just tried it that was my first time like trying to write, you know orchestral hip-hop man.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And now you've got orchestral hip-hop showing up on CBS Sports.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just try, just just take a swing at it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: So your YouTube channel.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: You have a different perspective and you're in Cubase.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm in logic.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: But I love the fact that I don't use Cubase, yeah, but I know that there are Cubase users out there looking for, you know, authentic production, music focus, not film scoring right, and I love it, man, of course we're gonna have links to Jeff's channel here and I imagine after, after this, hopefully you will get some more.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be awesome and that'd be great.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on Yo yeah, yep, smash that subscribe.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the little like the lights and the new camera.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: It's just I just added over time.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Like if you were to sit down and say this is everything you need to do to have a YouTube channel, bra, and it would see being super a expensive, right, it would be mega overwhelming.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Right, you just add a little piece at a time and that's the way I look at it, man, I got me a little Logitech 4k right now, man, with a little ring light and a couple of other small lights that I use, but, you know, my gold.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Next goal is maybe to get another camera.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You know, and I'm I'm good, you know, I'm good when it happens, it happens at the end of the day.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Can I, you know, put out content in a way that people understand it and are impacted by what I'm putting out?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm good.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Right Now I want to circle back.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: We talked about the hip-hop track, yeah, and about how you hadn't really written hip-hop before, which is funny to me, because I would imagine, like in the gospel scene, that that's.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of overlap there, a lot of overlap.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that may be it, dave.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Well, go ahead.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Let me let you finish.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: No, I was just gonna talk to walk through the experience about kind of learning, Learning this later in life, you know, because you know I think I'm older than you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, you know.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm older than you by a long shot, dude.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I've got you by like 10 years, dave.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: No, you do not.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do, sir, I am 59 years old.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just gonna pause here and I'm gonna let everybody, once you pause the video, zoom in to Jeff and you tell so it is true, it's true, it doesn't crack, does it, does it?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Cuz?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Look at this, I turned 50.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Come on, man.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And you know what's so funny, dave I, it's a end of the year, you know physicals and stuff like that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: So and there's maybe too much about I had to get a colonoscopy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: You know it's that time, so I'll go to the doctor and you're in there and then the guy goes Wait a minute.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I had to take a double take when I saw your birthday and he said no way.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I said yeah, man, you know so hey that ain't right, man.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: You have one, you have one.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: The skin lottery, my friend.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: That is some of the nicest skin.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You're looking great, my friend.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, brother, to be push it 60.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah then.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, christmas Eve I'll be 60.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, my god, yes, three days after Christmas I'll be 50.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, your birthday.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: What, yeah?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That's why we so kindred man yeah, yeah, man yeah absolutely, man.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Well, well that in that case, by the time this airs you will, you will have turned 60.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I would have turned 60 at birthday.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Still, thank you, but I don't believe it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think your mom like, maybe, maybe got a number wrong in the birth certificate or something.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: But talk about learning later in life and picking up this whole career when you have Very successful and then learning new skills, like you know, writing hip-hop tracks.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk, talk about that, for maybe for some of the folks out there who Feel like they've missed the boat because they're not in their 20s or 30s, and and yeah, so I'm glad that you asked me to speak to that, because I believe that you are never, never too old, is it's just never too late.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And so Many you may not know the story of Abraham I'm gonna go to just for a second.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Abraham was like a hundred years old, like when, when, like Sarah, got pregnant.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: They were almost a hundred and you know, to the point, people obviously live longer in the biblical days.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: But my point being you, you can look at many people throughout life that have started second careers or whatever in their 50s, in a six, you know, decided to go to college later in life, whatever it is.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: So, first of all, you can always learn.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So, for me, I love learning and, and I was challenged, even though I was, you know, I don't know how to do it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: As the thing is now, it's not like I didn't listen to hip-hop, you know, I mean, all through college, and I didn't, like you know, to park and biggie and you know other.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So I think, innately, some of that stuff was emmy and, like you say, I mean I play gospel music all my life.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: But there's a difference to Listening to it, you know, playing whatever, and then having to write it and and from that day, it's just, you know, a standpoint of, again, things that that I've learned in 52 cues about modeling and about you know, taking a piece of music and say, well, what is it doing?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: You know, okay, what's the base doing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You know what was, how often is it moving, what is it, what sounds are they using?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And you just start doing it and then there's so many Tools that are out there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You got like eight million videos you know people can go to and look at how, how do you do this?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And do you not think then I'll go and reference?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, how did Dave right this cute?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: He got tons of play.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the biggest things that you can do is Utilize what people before you have done that have been successful doing it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Anything that I write or I try to write, I you know, I listen to it, you know a lot, and then I just try to internalize and I try to understand Okay, what it, what is it that they're doing, how they doing it, and then you do it and then you just get better the more you do it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be great when you first start.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's Important.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be great when you first do it, because I'm gonna be honest with you, dave, I listen back to the first Christmas hip-hop thing I did now and for me, where I am now, I certainly can hear the growth you know, I'm like oh.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: What you know till now.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But you start somewhere and you continue to grow, you continue to improve Etc.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So a never too late, never, you know, I.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's the love of learning that helps keep you young.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I know we talk about you know genetics but but I don't know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: There's a, there's a youthful spirit about you and I like to think that I have you know Some what useful spirit yeah even though I'm 50 and I'm probably gonna spend my 50th birthday Literally playing video games with my middle school best friend.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: What's up, dude?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have none of this over the hill and black balloons no brother, not at all in world of work, craft, but but I think I think a lot like being a lifelong learner, I think keeps you young, I think it keeps you sharp, keeps you Flexible.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, in this industry you got to be flexible.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking AI, we're talking, you know, all this kind of this, the stuff coming up behind us, and if you're stuck in your ways, you're probably gonna get real run over.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: You definitely gonna get run over man.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love to learn.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Man always trying to learn something, like Cubase I did so.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I was in pro tools and I was like you know what I want to learn?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: A new doll, and so last year.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I started doing learn Cubase man, you know, yeah, and have you?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Have you liked?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I see, I don't think I knew that Last year when you were on the pot.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So you were really brand new to Cubase.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I was brand new to.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Cubase.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just, let's show your session.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I probably would have asked you, man, if I knew that you're, yeah, dude, I had just very cute.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I was probably Maybe a month in or something like that man because I've been pro to pro to pro tools and and I didn't like the way you Manipulate MIDI and pro tools.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I was like this is horrible and I say I gotta find something else.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And then a lot of the Composers that I look up to they use Cubase.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: That's good enough for them.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Then I'll, you know, I'll, try to learn Cubase.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anything you miss from pro tools when you're in Cuba.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I think the the graphics and pro tools are beautiful and the way that you can work with audio in pro tools is Amazing.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Pro tools is great from that standpoint, but you know otherwise.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Cubase is great.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I love Cubase.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Cubase is great.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I picked up.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Steinberg also makes it's called like spectral layers.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I think yeah, spectral and I downloaded it and I will agree that is an ugly program, yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it's like ugly, I'm like I don't enjoy being in this environment.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: No, ultimately you gotta get over it, right?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: It's like you know, if you're having a steak dinner on a paper plate, you're still having.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: You still having a steak dinner, but right, but this, this plastic knife.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: So, looking back over your last, we'll say two years, yeah, you know, what do you feel have been the the biggest lessons you've learned and where do you see Some of the gaps that you are looking to shore up right now?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, so biggest lessons I would say?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Hmm, one is you have to Be okay, you.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: You really have to learn the value of feedback.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I am so much better with feedback, man, it's, all of it is good, it's for growth.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I used to take it so personally and get my feelings hurt and all this stuff, man, and really, like you can like write more great music, like I used to think, oh you know, you wrote this track and it's amazing.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Well, if you wrote that, you can write another one.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: And so the value of feedback.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's critical, learning how to take it for what it is.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: It's critical.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I learned, man, it's like that your what you think is your ugly baby can make you money.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say that because, okay, so the cue that is getting air on NBA TV right now is the cue I like the least on the album, to the point that I put it last.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I was like man, I don't like this cue.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: So you know they listen to everything, yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And then they were fixed to like move on.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And then we're like let's hit this last one, Right.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: You know, and that's the cue, that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And actually when I just opened up Toon Set and looked now it's fit, huh, I said oh, wow, yeah, I'm getting some playing on NBA TV, how cool.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: And I said, what is that track?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: So you never know.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You know you think it's an ugly baby, but man, you just never know what will serve the need of the library or serve the need of, of course, the.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: You know the television program.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So there's value, I think, in your music, as long as it's still, you know, produced well and all that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: You know you don't have to like, love it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You know Dave says well, we're not.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: What do you say?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: We're not doing art or something it's not art.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: We're artisans, yeah we're artisans, man, so if you wrote one, you can write a thousand.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you will write a thousand, because that's when you start making some money, so you don't get so attached, you know, to your cues.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And so so where do you see yourself moving next, like where, where are the gaps that you are actively working on, right?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: now.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: So I would say for me.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: So gaps, they're gaps.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm constantly trying to feel this gap of really becoming better at mixing and mastering Very critical for me.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I want my cues to sound absolutely excellent.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: So from that standpoint I feel like I still have a lot to work, a lot of work to do in that regard.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm always challenged and I think sometimes even maybe the bar I said it may be a little ridiculous, because you know I listened to like a Benjamin Wall fish cue, you know, and it's like I want my stuff to sound like that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, dude, he's got a live orchestra and he's got this, this and that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: But that's my goal, man.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm aiming for, that's what I'm shooting for.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Like professionally, I want to get the absolute best you know out of myself as a composer.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: But then in the mixing and mastering has always been like a real.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I was mad when I found out when I got into production music that you have to mix and master all your own stuff.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I was like what do you mean?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I was like the record side that I came from, we hire a mix engineer, we hire somebody to master the stuff.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the way it works.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But well, I mean to be fair.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: You can hire a mixing and mastering engineer right now.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is true, yeah, but no.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: That's out of pocket, nah, yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you could, and it makes a lot more sense to learn it.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: So, and certainly to your point though, dave, when I look at a year ago and I look at now where my cues have come, I'm learning.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: You know I'm not where I want to be, but I'm definitely learning.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And then so I want to, you know, just continue.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I think next, man, it's about now that I'm starting to get music out into the world.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Man, I think the next phase is the placements, and I gotta tell y'all again, like so we did this, dave did this workshop, right, and dude opened up his tune set and like I fainted Because I'm like that's the way I want my tune set to look.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But again, like he said over the years, man, just pages and pages and pages, a place, and that's what.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: So that's for me, you know, that's what I'm looking at.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: You know is that I just want to continue to grow my career, man, and move forward.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And then I want to continue to grow my YouTube channel from the aspect of just really encouraging and helping other composers to realize.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: You know that they can do it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: You know more so than anything.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: There was a point, you know I wasn't sure, man, but I know I can do it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I know I can do it now, but I don't think I would really know had there not been, like a Dave Croft and some others around to be like nah, man, you can do this.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: You always say I'm a future version of you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: It's the future version of you.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of you know what I'm aiming for next.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Now, if I could, dave, I've always had this burning desire I mean, this is since a kid, maybe 13 years old, to like write music.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: So I would say, if I could somehow move from this space and I'm talking, you know, whatever the years are, I'm not being unrealistic, but move into writing, say for television, for a show or like score or like scoring.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be the, for me, the end.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: All be all like man.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: That's the whiteboard right, that's the vision boarding thing.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: And I mean it does happen.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: You know we have folks in the community right now who do both and so it's not like an either or kind of thing, and so remind me to connect you with.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: We have a community member, a family member, who just like scored an indie film, and so remind me when we're done talking.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I want to, I'll point you, connect you guys.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just another avenue, you know, and just like kind of going from being a music director into production, music, some skills you know, kind of carry forward and push momentum.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: But you're starting back further down the ladder, right?
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You're not starting at the same run Exactly.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And so likewise with film scoring or with a game, music, or if you want to be a singer, songwriter, but you can do all those things and I think you'd be killer at it, and I think this heroes and villains.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be spot on, and one of the reasons I really love your cues is the harmonic sophistication which I know is going to be fantastic for like a film scoring gig and you've been like just well, just showing off man in these heroes.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: We have a saying in the group man, the patented Jeff Hargrove, harmonic shenanigans.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: So tell me, this is just a personal, selfish question when do you come up with some of those things?
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Is it just like gospel chops coming out and you just can't help it and it's just part of your internal vocabulary?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I really yeah, I think that's it, dave.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So be gospel.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So younger I've always been in the gospel music man.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I was heavy in the jazz coming up Now I used to play woodwinds, saxophone, all that stuff played in our university jazz ensemble, wrote for the jazz ensemble.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So from a harmonic standpoint, and you know, gospel music is nothing but jazz.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Like when you start talking changes, it's jazz man.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: We play the same chords, all those extended chords and all that stuff.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: So it literally does just become part of your normal vocabulary, man.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It's just the way.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: It's literally the way that I hear.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I hear something in the movement Like it's I don't know, it's just part of my internal, I think, just a vocabulary that I've developed over time.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: So now I hear, you just hear.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You hear a chord and you hear it extended.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: You hear it Because chords are nothing but colors and the more you hear a certain color you just know how to identify a color.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And then, or certain movements we're in church all the time.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I mean we want to fly.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: It's very easy.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I'm in the mic and we're playing something, go to song soap, just cause you hear it Like, just go here, go there.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: It's just on the fly, so I just try to bring that same thing to my cues man.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: It's to me, it's interesting To me.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: We are often, you know, we have to play by certain rules.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: So if I ever have an opportunity where I can just let my voice be heard just a little bit, Well, you have mastered the skill of taking like gospel chops, but it doesn't.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I mean I lived in Memphis for 11 years.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Right, I have been in the church?
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so I know what gospel it sounds like, but it doesn't sound gospel-y when you do it and that, I think, is your superpower, right, you know, because I talk about in the group.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: We all have our individual superpowers.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your superpowers.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: The ability is, take that vocabulary, but it's like you're speaking the production music language with a gospel accent.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, and you're just masterful at that, and it's truly an inspiration, and every time I listen to one of your cues I think oh man, I got to up my game because of my harmonic game.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: But then again, you know, we all have our superpowers you know, being a lifelong drummer, rhythm and rhythmic interplay and polyrhythms and all that stuff.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: And as much as Dave has killed me on like, like rhythms in my kids, like Jeff, why do you have triplet tier and you got a straight groove here, man?
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: No, it's got, you know.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: But all that stuff is good, Like you said, because there's certain things like maybe, that you know I wouldn't consider, like you said, not having that strong drumming background.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: And so to your point, how we all together are better man and like.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: So we come to these feedback sessions every week and you got all these great composers, man, and composers on every level.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: You got beginning composers and then you got composers who've been doing this thing and everything in between, man, but you learn from everybody and it is so great, man, and I think that's the way we grow, yeah, yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: A rising tide lifts all boats man Come on, brother.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir, rising tide lifts all boats.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Well, jeff it's a real honor to have you in the community.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I just I love you and I appreciate you, man, and I really appreciate all the kind words I could about getting reclaimed, talking to you, and I'm looking forward to, you know, in the spring maybe seeing you face to face.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, you will definitely see me, brother.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I told my wife, yeah, I'm in the A.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: So I told my wife I think it was yesterday, like I sent her a screen shot Definitely going to this.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: She's like okay, oh man.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: But I wish you all the success and you are, I know that you're a man of God, absolutely.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And I know that you are a man of integrity, and so to have your endorsement really means the world to me, and so I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being such a huge part of the community and a real ray of light and positivity, which I think this whole world needs, and especially in the business world.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Right, this isn't, this isn't.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: We're not like hustling here, you know.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: We're not like, you know, it's just.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: It's just people being good to each other and doing right by each other, and together we are better, and nobody in our community embodies it more than you do.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Jeff.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me today.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you, dave, appreciate you.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Love you too, brother.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Once again, a huge thanks to Jeff for joining me on the podcast and, as always, we're going to have all of the links to his stuff in the description below.
• 53:45
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• 53:46
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• 53:58
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• 54:34
  Speaker 2: But that is going to do it for me this week.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: You definitely want to tune in next week where I am joined by special guest and sync agent, chuck Milan.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about the difference between sync agents and catalog music publishers and libraries.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: So you definitely want to tune in for that episode.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: But I hope that you've had a good week 12 everybody, and I hope that your week 13 goes swimmingly, and I know it will.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: And why do I know that?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Because I trust and believe that the universe has amazing plans just for you.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Until next time, peace.